assassination

[royal lantern]

real warriors play tank or arms

fury is the keyboard droller spec

[novel star]

i mean

[runic hinge]

That’s why I have a fury alt

[novel star]

arms is a drool spec too

[runic hinge]

To drool

[mystic osprey]

Sin is gonna get nerfed so bad 😭

[night gust]

eeh i understand playing fury, arms feels weird imo

[novel star]

why

[pliant terrace]

fury is basically outlaw rogue if you removed all the skill and made it the most generic builder/spender spec in the game

[royal lantern]

yes, but they are less extreme about it

[waxen oyster]

its funny how dh is less the drooler spec now

[night gust]

tbf no mover is giga drooler

[mystic osprey]

Look at logs bro

[novel star]

dh legit insanely easy to fuck up

[pliant terrace]

dh used to be the drooler spec when it first released in legion

[spice spire]

@stuck knoll

[hallow pelican]

I thought that was Unholy DK

[pliant terrace]

I wouldn't know. Never played an uh dk

[novel star]

i did yesterday and it seemed fine

[night gust]

idk what ur seeing but im seeing bottom of the barrel or mid tier

except for rashanan which is a meme fight

[hallow pelican]

Clawing Shadows, Death Coil

[mystic osprey]

Surprised frost dk is still not nerfed

[pliant terrace]

isn't frost dk just as easy?

[hallow pelican]

and to spice things up ... death coil then clawing shadows

[mystic osprey]

Maybe I'm just seeing shit

[night gust]

frost dk oblit spec is giga drool

[waxen oyster]

nah bfa

[night gust]

breath much less

[novel star]

even on damage to bosses were still not the top spec or particularly close (as far as i can tell)

why would we be nerfed

dooming to doom or

[night gust]

good to stay pessimistic i guess

wont be sad or surprised whenever in the future a nerf may come

[novel star]

spatter should be nerfed

more

but that’s because spatter is dumb

[hallow pelican]

u shut ur whore mouth

[runic hinge]

Buff rupture

[novel star]

[mystic osprey]

Buff crimson tempest

[night gust]

make spatter 90% of overall damage in aoe

[novel star]

ct does not need a buff

[runic hinge]

CT is wild af already

[novel star]

ct is also very broken

[spice spire]

Nothing needs a buff

[runic hinge]

Ct cranks lol

[spice spire]

Like

[keen spruce]

Ruff bupture

[spice spire]

We’re upper now this is the chill time

[runic hinge]

Rupture needs to do a gagillion damage

[shut owl]

Buff twist the knife

[novel star]

literally nerf spatter by like 5% more with no weird compensation envenom shit this time

please

[spice spire]

Buddy that’s on the way

[hallow pelican]

make garrote a permanent debuff like bone spike

[keen spruce]

Ruff pupture

[spice spire]

Nice spacing

[shut owl]

Shhhh, buff it more

[spice spire]

Too far pal

[stuck knoll]

Ain’t no fucking way you think current arms requires a modicum of intelligence

[keen spruce]

Extra long George

[stuck knoll]

Current arms genuinely might be one of the worst designed specs to ever exist

[spice spire]

POP OFF KING ‼️

Tell him

[keen spruce]

GIT EM

[spice spire]

Maybe for u but I’m different

[keen spruce]

[stuck knoll]

I mean there is 0 resource management

[spice spire]

(I played OG sin in CN)

[keen spruce]

@royal lantern FIGHT BACK

[shut owl]

When arms can't play non-execute build is it even worth?

[stuck knoll]

If you can manage to press MS on cd you’ve fucking got it

Execute is completely fucking cursed as well

[spice spire]

That’s a big ask Ronkles

[keen spruce]

Fk

[shut owl]

Bring back skull splitter bleed meme builds for arms

[keen spruce]

Why are they backwards

[shut owl]

Pretend arms has exsang XD

[spice spire]

Is it worse than spam thunderclap and IP ST arms?

[stuck knoll]

You play slull splitter currently

Idk it’s just spam all your buttons

[hallow pelican]

no way bring back the classic extra swing proc from Swords.

[keen spruce]

Why is one of our purples so versed in warrior culture

[stuck knoll]

There is 0 thought rage bar might as well not exist

[spice spire]

Ronokles is a rogue/warrior

[stuck knoll]

I play warrior

[spice spire]

Just like stjern is a rogue/dh

[keen spruce]

He’s Batman ?

[stuck knoll]

Ronkbonk bonks

[spice spire]

Outlaw lookin ass

Damn

[stuck knoll]

Outlaw has far more resource management than Arms

[shut owl]

Probably years of casting dismantle/disarm and watching warriors lose their mind in open world

[gusty mirage]

You’re a Batman

[steel geyser]

Outlaw has a meaningful rotation

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Now it definitely does

[mystic osprey]

What's this mean

[spice spire]

Now is one of the best times outlaw has looked to me

[mystic osprey]

It's very fun

[stuck knoll]

Sorry just genuinely ik the meme is Fury bad but people say it without knowing shit like current Arms is fucking ass and I will not back down on this

[gusty mirage]

Don’t let Ronkles’ rage distract you from the fact that Jamal “Shyne” Barrow spent 10 years in Jail for a shooting Diddy did, got deported to Belize and became a politician there

[shut owl]

If only it didn't lose so much due to performance woes

[runic hinge]

I needed an os mace just to try it on anniversary patch

[gusty mirage]

You’re welcome

[stuck knoll]

Play that spec for more than a minute

[keen spruce]

Crack shot ushered in a golden age of outlaw

[spice spire]

Outlaw historically has rarely had to deal with resources

And I think that’s cool that they do now

[spice spire]

Real

[runic hinge]

They hate they have to care about haste

[shut owl]

Missing turbo-gcds on outlaw because council or queen decides your PC needs to drop to single frames feels real bad

[gusty mirage]

Just like Zine historically rarely had any bitches

[runic hinge]

And I think that’s funny

[spice spire]

He just like me on god

[keen spruce]

[stuck knoll]

False he had a long ass conversation with his gf an hour ago without muting

[gusty mirage]

That joke would’ve been funnier if he was still orange

[stuck knoll]

Right @rigid mango

[gusty mirage]

Fake news

[runic hinge]

He’s gonna come in here talking about boomer disrespect now

[stuck knoll]

Genuinely no idea where he went he might be dead

[runic hinge]

Honestly Zine should be purple

[stuck knoll]

We were playing and then I said I was done and he stopped speaking on discord

[spice spire]

Blud is always yapping

[stuck knoll]

You should ask him his opinion on Siege of Boralus

[hallow pelican]

I knew i wasnt the only one

[light river]

when do y'all pop skardyns in your rotation

[gusty mirage]

So who’s gonna power level me?

[runic hinge]

I would tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire

[gusty mirage]

My game time runs out in 3 hours BUD

[spice spire]

I’m at work

[runic hinge]

I’m working until 1:30

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

wdym ping me

[hallow pelican]

I believe you pop it just before you load up your bleeds for Deathmark

[waxen oyster]

they’re paying me in gamer gummies

[light river]

@hallow pelican ty bro

[grim tree]

!fu

[gusty mirage]

You’re gettin paid?

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stuck knoll]

Quake you have no idea the pandoras box you have opened pinging me with “arms=good” it is going to take me an hour to stop thinking about it

[waxen oyster]

arms is the

warbreaker parry

d/c router

spec

[stuck knoll]

Ye

[keen spruce]

Gromonkley

[stuck knoll]

Okay I need to stop I will not rant anymore

Reformed

I am a reformed individual

[runic hinge]

Since when

[stuck knoll]

Exactly 3 minutes ago

I blame Quake

Checking my little ping before bed only to be hit by some cosmic horror shit

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[woven shore]

yea my +7 exp

[slim pebble]

Non English names for rogue spells go hard

[pliant remnant]

We are 28 runs in

When will this madness end

[woven shore]

i swear dude

[slim pebble]

Just loot it

[woven shore]

i think im like 15 or 20 in so far

[pliant remnant]

[runic hinge]

Just do like 5 runs and then get one in your vault

Ez pz

[woven shore]

next time i see someone drop it

i will give this guy 200k gold for the trinket

[balmy condor]

german spell names are actually an affront to god bro

[woven shore]

and then i will get it mythic track from vault

[balmy condor]

cursed language

[woven shore]

yea

[hallow pelican]

I played Fire mage in BfA ... I literally did 100+ runs to get the mechagons bracers, and the best I ever got was a +6

[pliant remnant]

Put up a little Ätzender Spritzer

[woven shore]

Whispyr likes my Spritzer as well

[pliant remnant]

and then send some Vergiftens

[woven shore]

[balmy condor]

maintain your blutroter sturm

[woven shore]

XDDDDD

wasnt it good enough

?

[pliant remnant]

And hoooly

Those giftbombes

big

[woven shore]

bombes XDD

[rigid mango]

Yeah gg unluck

mic diffed

[sacred schooner]

how many % ascension better than lens? :x

[slim pebble]

I have received your giftbombe

[woven shore]

i had bad uptime ?

[runic hinge]

They should make you purple

[rigid mango]

why tf

I'm an old man playing frost dk

[novel star]

fuck is that

[balmy condor]

idk I just saw german spells and puked

[woven shore]

lol

[balmy condor]

blood red storm bro

[woven shore]

arent you german ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic hinge]

Cause you’re based as hell

[woven shore]

xD

[novel star]

what the fuck is that

tempest???

[balmy condor]

yeah

[woven shore]

yea

[tawdry crypt]

Is it more important to start splatter or spread bleeds early in an m+pull

[woven shore]

[novel star]

holy that’s beast

germans cooking bro

[rigid mango]

for what forgetting to mute my mic and talking to my gf for 10 min

[balmy condor]

"crimson" isn't a color in german so it's gotta be "blood red"

[woven shore]

lmfao

i hope dirty talk kekw

[keen spruce]

I’m sure Russian spells are also cursed but who knows cuz they don’t use real letters

[sacred schooner]

so complicated

[woven shore]

healer thinking you starting a romance

[balmy condor]

it's either blood red or purple-red

[rigid mango]

naw said that after lucky wasn't anything freaky

or it'd been gg

she was just talking about her day thank god

[woven shore]

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

was it great

[balmy condor]

I guess could use Karmesin though right

[woven shore]

or alot of complaining

[rigid mango]

There was some complaining idd

[balmy condor]

I remember seeing pokemon scarlet stuff

and in german that's karmesin

[woven shore]

sounds familiar

whisp

on sikran you save cloak for his big aoe thing ?

[balmy condor]

I don't

[woven shore]

we killing her on mythic today

[balmy condor]

too much bullshit swirlie nonsense to use cloak for dps imo

[novel star]

holy

[woven shore]

oh okay

[novel star]

(answer for me would just be that i dont fw first second cloak shit)

[strange python]

hi chat potenital noob question but i mainly play sub and ive been trying to learn sin for key/worm and i noticed i feel like i go rly dry 2 mins into fights am i a noob or do i just not have enough crit(sub 20%)

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[balmy condor]

ME FASTER

[pliant terrace]

god I hate broodtwister. 4 hours of getting 15 fps when the adds spawn, just to watch our fury warriors pad their ass off

[balmy condor]

I WIN

[novel star]

what do you mean by going dry, no energy? if so intended

[strange python]

oh

[runic hinge]

I’m on mobile

[woven shore]

and use vanish just in case you are first on blades to cancel ?

[novel star]

above commands

[runic hinge]

Unfair

[strange python]

i was unaware of that command

my fault chat

[novel star]

most of the commands in here youre not really supposed to know about

[waxen oyster]

sin is just a slow spec

[novel star]

theyre just faster ways to answer common questions

[waxen oyster]

outside cds

[novel star]

so u dont have to type it manually

[balmy condor]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[dapper cradle]

dungeon changes are kinda pog

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

ngl

all my offending wa

[dapper cradle]

the cooldown on the debuff for last boss SV is sick

[waxen oyster]

were afenar ones on my alts

[balmy condor]

yeh

[dapper cradle]

shit has me going as melee

[novel star]

does it matter if the wa is unloaded

cus its for anotehr class

surely not

[strange python]

also by dry i mainly ment low rolling cps and having to use tea to make up for it to play properly in widnows

[novel star]

well

tea in cds is what ur supposed to do anyways

[strange python]

im alr doing the normal minmx envenom stuff

[waxen oyster]

normally you tea in windows

[novel star]

you should never press tea outside of your cds

[balmy condor]

the other common WA I've seen lose frames is the xalatath toe glow for orb collecting

[novel star]

losing envenom uptime for a bit is okay if it means you save a tea for ur cds

[balmy condor]

"common"

[novel star]

Worth

I go 1fps in my brain when i see her succulent soles

[strange python]

sometimes i find myself having to tea for reapplications but i think i am jsut a noob

[novel star]

so no difference

[balmy condor]

brain is set to variable refresh rate

holy

[dapper cradle]

giga chad

[balmy dome]

Do you use two tea charges in deathmark windows or just one at the end

[novel star]

U know like blind rage

tunnel vision

etc

[balmy condor]

neither

you use tea for energy

during shivs

generally that would be 2 on non-dm kingsbanes

[west crown]

Rupturing during boss fights with adds for energy. Good or Bad Whispyr

[balmy condor]

how long are the adds alive for

[novel star]

depends on the adds

[woven shore]

soon your teas will use itself

[balmy dome]

Ty!

[woven shore]

tx god

[novel star]

whispyr had some gay nerd math about it

[west crown]

Like sniping as they die for energy

[novel star]

if rupture lasts 7 seconds? or something its worth rupturing for energy

[woven shore]

☠️

[balmy condor]

how long are they alive for bro

answer the question

[novel star]

otherwise not

[hidden herald]

Sniping energy can be huge

[balmy condor]

give me a number

[novel star]

whispyr i already stole yr punchline goat.

[balmy condor]

you press rupture, how many seconds are they alive

2?

[west crown]

Court for example 8ish

[balmy condor]

if you rupture and they're alive for 8ish seconds after, yeh

you'd snipe that one

but only that one

[novel star]

my worms make me want to snipe on rashanan

[balmy condor]

just cause you get energy back on a snipe doesn't mean you just rupture everything that's gonna die

[novel star]

but i know i shouldnt

[balmy condor]

like you gotta put resources into your rupture to get energy back

it's not free energy like tea or whatever

so add still needs to live and take damage and give you energy from the ticks on that add

[runic hinge]

And those combo points could be spent on envenom advancing your DSM

[balmy condor]

yeh

[runic hinge]

Instead of doing no damage and only refunding a tiny bit

[hidden herald]

But the energy refund is pretty poggers

[balmy condor]

sure

[runic hinge]

But you have to spend energy on building

[hidden herald]

Personally if I’m bottoming energy I do send rupture on an add even it’s dead in 1 second

[balmy condor]

yeah that's bad

that's precisely what you DONT want to do

[hidden herald]

Why though full energy

[runic hinge]

You spent 140 energy on building and it’s doing no damage

[novel star]

yea it feels good but its not a gain because the combo points and energy should be on instant damage to prio target/boss

[balmy condor]

because you're spending energy and combo points to get back energy

and that's not good enough

[hidden herald]

Can refund like 250 energy

[balmy condor]

I legit just explained this

[novel star]

sure it can refund 250

[novel star]

but thats after this

[hidden herald]

I think there is situations that benefit it

[novel star]

including combo points

[balmy condor]

there aren't

[hidden herald]

Anima charged

[novel star]

sims can and do rupture snipe

if it was a gain

[hidden herald]

2 cps

[novel star]

in all contexts

[balmy condor]

animacharged 2cp

[novel star]

wed know

[hidden herald]

Add at like 20% insta sudden demise and 250 energy 😄

[spice spire]

[hidden herald]

3 cps

[runic hinge]

Then you’re wasting a 7 combo point rupture on an add that dies in 2 seconds lol

That cannot be worth

[novel star]

sure but its not 250 energy

[balmy condor]

so I just told you that you're wasting cp, and your solution is waste more cp

[novel star]

its 250 - like 60-70% of that

that u spent building to it

and - the cp

[runic hinge]

And zero damage

[novel star]

regardless of if SBS lands you on animacharge or not

you couldve envenomed and then done 1 mutilate to land on the animacharge

[spice spire]

I just did this one

[hidden herald]

Nah

[spice spire]

[hidden herald]

Rupture costs like 25 energy

[balmy condor]

💀

[spice spire]

And to build that

[hidden herald]

😄

[novel star]

and how about the builders that got you to that rupture

...

[spice spire]

And the globals

[balmy condor]

bro just doesn't want to be wrong

[keen spruce]

yall ever just crave a pizza lunchables

[runic hinge]

What about the multiple mutilates to get there

[spice spire]

And the damage lost from those cp

Like

What are we doing

[keen spruce]

I could really go for a pizza lunchables rn

[spice spire]

Where did this come from

[hidden herald]

One FoK that I’m pressing anyway

[keen spruce]

sounds fkin delightful

[balmy condor]

you're not "pressing anyway"

you're presing fok to get a finisher

and then wasting the finisher

[runic hinge]

Same guy as before but he said 8 seconds the add lives this time

[oak eagle]

the nachos lunchable hits different tho

[hidden herald]

I dunno bros topping your energy before going into a cd window

[spice spire]

At least he listened to me saying 7s

[hidden herald]

Is good

[balmy condor]

dude it's legit not worth it are you dense

[novel star]

arguably thats the worst time to have 300/300 energy cause now you cant press a tea without overcapping

[runic hinge]

Wasting resources is inherently not good

[keen spruce]

i don't think i've ever had the nachos

[balmy condor]

[hidden herald]

Quick rupture snipe, full energy. Full send better than waiting 5 seconds for energy to generate surely

[spice spire]

Like you’re trading 3 resources for one

[keen spruce]

is there enough cheese for all of the chips

[runic hinge]

No

[spice spire]

During CDs

[runic hinge]

But there’s salsa too

[spice spire]

You’re swimming in energy

[novel star]

ok so you have 2 conflicting things here with the premise

[spice spire]

What

[keen spruce]

that was my suspicion

[balmy condor]

god is dead

[bleak spoke]

man i'm gonna scream i just played akey with a warrior and a shaman and i found out after that we never got shout or windfury i need a weak aura for this i'm gonna scream i'm gonna scream

[novel star]

ignoring that youre just mathematically wrong

objectively

lets talk about ur concept

[vague dagger]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[balmy condor]

like

[spice spire]

Reminds me of Terros

[novel star]

if ur in real aoe like m+ IC spreading aoe you dont have energy problems to begin with

[hidden herald]

But

[spice spire]

Miss it

[balmy condor]

god is just dead

there's no shot

[hidden herald]

Okay

[novel star]

so youre not only wasting the energy on builders

youre also wasting energy because ur

perma above 150

[hidden herald]

I don’t expect most of the community to understand this

[novel star]

link io

[balmy condor]

XDDDDDDDDDDD

[novel star]

link io

link io

[balmy condor]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[novel star]

link io

[hidden herald]

If you’re pushing a high key. Maths isn’t important

[novel star]

no ego typing without creds

link io

link io

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/wqkXxyB.jpeg dawnbreaker is ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[novel star]

LINK IO

[balmy condor]

HAHAHAHA

[runic hinge]

Blocked

[novel star]

DO NOT EGOTYPE WITHOUT LINKS

[oak eagle]

bro this gut

[novel star]

IO

NOW

[oak eagle]

guy

[hidden herald]

Using my cds at an optimal moment in a boss fight is important

[novel star]

IO NOW

IO

[balmy condor]

dude I cannot

[novel star]

EYE

OH

NOW!

[hidden herald]

Situationally there are going to be times where sniping some energy is important

[spice spire]

Wouldn’t math be the most important for higher keys

[oak eagle]

oli, the guy telling you youre wasting resources, is the TC for Sin Rogue

[novel star]

IO

[spice spire]

Situationally

Yes

[hidden herald]

I.e totem boss in stone vault

[balmy condor]

no

[hidden herald]

Rupture a totem

[novel star]

oli??

[balmy condor]

situationally no

[novel star]

no way im getting called here

[hidden herald]

Send cds into shield

[keen spruce]

almost always false

[novel star]

im on the rupture sniping is bad side its just this guy

sub colour guy

[oak eagle]

oh

[hollow cedar]

he must be ragebaiting lol

[spice spire]

Situationally yes things can alter math.
Ie double vanish arguments

[hidden herald]

Almost always, yes I agree

[oak eagle]

im so confused then

[spice spire]

But this is not

That

This is just stupid

[hidden herald]

But people often throw away comments about assassination. It’s a very high skill ceiling

[bleak spoke]

i think rupture sniping is probably okay in pure single with a smallie like totem on thing seems correct

[spice spire]

And loss of damage

[balmy condor]

this is not situational this is just resource in resource out

[spice spire]

It’s not

[bleak spoke]

it's bad?

[runic hinge]

Depends on how long it lives

[bleak spoke]

do you get less energy than expended resources?

[spice spire]

Have to treat globals, energy; and cp as a resource

Thing is

[bleak spoke]

(also totems have to fucking die anyway idk)

[hidden herald]

Pepsi is pure zug brain

[runic hinge]

It’s not just energy

[waxen oyster]

i hate m+ers

[spice spire]

People are saying cp out -> energy in

[waxen oyster]

they deserve less

[bleak spoke]

like i'm almost certain you should rupture the totems if only to contribute to smoothly killing them

[spice spire]

But you’re missing that

[keen spruce]

i mean this is true but that doesn't make you right

[novel star]

ok sure but theyre not throwaway comments, its logic you are refusing to engage with and also stuff that has been simmed already

[spice spire]

Then yeah

But that’s not sniping

[novel star]

its not like its just unsimmable

[hidden herald]

Depends on the point

[novel star]

or something

[bleak spoke]

is the refund always less than expenditure

[spice spire]

Sniping is to just gain energy, ie dies before is not worth

[bleak spoke]

is the question

[novel star]

you havent responded directly to any point this entire conversation

[runic hinge]

It’s combo points and the wasted damage because 5+ combo points envenom does a shit more damage than 2 ticks of rupture

[keen spruce]

IO still not linked smh

[novel star]

ur just on perma defense mode without actually thinking

but still egotyping

idgi

insane u still havent linked ur io btw

[bleak spoke]

i hate this link io now thing, just engage his fucking point innit

[spice spire]

I’d argue that between us I’m less of the zug brain (because I can say “hey this person may know more than me.”)

[balmy condor]

It's just so funny how every time one of these fucking dipshit mplussers makes an argument it's "show math then, you have to disprove my misinfo", and if it's not that then math isn't real

[novel star]

talkin about the high keys ur doing where the universe warps and math is different

[spice spire]

Rather than “high m+ math doesn’t matter”

Like

What reality

[bleak spoke]

but yeah give actual examples innit

[spice spire]

Are we in

[novel star]

i would still not agree with you but at least find the conversation more interesting

if you linked io

[bleak spoke]

like key+scenario+key level yeah

[novel star]

but you wont!

[waxen oyster]

why is there always some cooked take stemming from m+

every season

[spice spire]

I don’t even wanna see IO

[hidden herald]

But I’m not saying maths

[waxen oyster]

deathly shadows outlaw

[keen spruce]

you're just saying wrongs

[novel star]

well you are right cus the math says youre wrong and youre arguing against it

[waxen oyster]

btw

[novel star]

so youre necessarily talking about math

[spice spire]

Brother what

[bleak spoke]

i feel like every time i used to do a high key with a cooked build i had to come in here and defend my fucking thesis as if i were trying to receive a doctorate, but that's also a good thing

[novel star]

oh even better LMAO

[hidden herald]

Yes damage is rarely the win condition

[novel star]

so what is your 250 energy poggers doing if not giving u more energy

[waxen oyster]

thh its quite different

[novel star]

r you using that energy for iron wire

or somethin

[west crown]

For the sake of devils advocate since I started this, wouldn’t sudden demise make it not as bad?

[keen spruce]

sniping ruptures and min/maxing tiny dps gains has literally nothing to do with high key pushing

[waxen oyster]

from trying something vs

[balmy condor]

so that's why you're deciding to do less or what

[waxen oyster]

i heard this in a twitch chat

[hidden herald]

Might need to send a feint

[novel star]

Ohhh its 250 energy for the 35 energy defensive ok

[balmy condor]

this is with sudden demise already factored

[novel star]

that makes more sense now

[waxen oyster]

dont diss my 2 year ellesmere sub

[bleak spoke]

brother feint costs the same energy as rupture

on cast

[spice spire]

What would make you think the you need feint here

[bleak spoke]

literally exactly the same

[spice spire]

Might it be a calculation of damage intake minus defenses

And maybe a defensive is needed

Maybe

Math?

[hidden herald]

You guys aware rupture on a mob that’s dying is like full energy refund nearly? I know many know this but even more probably don’t

[waxen oyster]

ngl i feel like bfa was real bad

with the cooked takes

due to how good outlaw in keys was

until you became gouge bot for the mage

[spice spire]

I’ve been unlocked

And freed

I wasted three resources to funnel one

[strange python]

I am sure our guidewriter doesn’t know about this

[spice spire]

Bless

[bleak spoke]

i think it's a fair play pattern historically in a sense, because it's rarely the case that smallies live a small enough amount of time to actually not have it tick for a few seconds yeah

[novel star]

you already said this a lot

[balmy condor]

well you see, the situation he's talking about so far is maybe there's a totem that maybe has 2 seconds left and maybe you have the combo points ready to rupture it but maybe not too many, maybe just enough, and maybe with a deathmark coming up right then and maybe you're starved and maybe you need to feint as well and so you snipe

[novel star]

and people directly responded to it

saying 250 energy big number is not enough to make it numerically valuable

even though it feels good

but

you refused to reply to that

after people replied to you

[bleak spoke]

i think in that scenario you should probably be thinking if you should execute the totem with demise or whatever

and not about your energy

[novel star]

everyone knows

youre not einstein

[spice spire]

CT is a real spell now is kind of the argument. Smallies can kinda eat it eh

[bleak spoke]

yeah

[balmy condor]

with ENVENOM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[bleak spoke]

i think CT tbh

[balmy condor]

I need to step away

you fucking apes

[bleak spoke]

cuz you can progress yoru mark maybe

like

[novel star]

whispyr take a shot bud

cool off

[bleak spoke]

i'm assuming you're not going to wipe to it

if you're going to wipe to it for sure you send env

[keen spruce]

what is the name of the passive that refunds energy from ruptures again?

[west crown]

Kill with envenom = no energy

[hidden herald]

That is what I’m talking about. Generally speaking nah completely pointless to snipe just spam envenoms and see out the pull

[bleak spoke]

kill with envenom = you don't wipe

[west crown]

(Don’t ban me)

XD

[novel star]

venomous wounds

[bleak spoke]

the real issue too is like

[keen spruce]

ty

[spice spire]

Spatter exists

Like

You can just hit a big thing

[bleak spoke]

i mean on skarm speecifically sometimes it's fired

fried*

[balmy condor]

there's no way you read that and said "yeah actually that is what I'm talking about" please say you're joking right now before I go absolutely ballistic

[bleak spoke]

with spatter

[spice spire]

And deal more damage outward

[novel star]

holding whispyr down like a rabid dog rn

im scared

[chrome cosmos]

Hey do any of you encountter bug that your deathstalker's mark doesn't reapply with full combo points? it happens usually in fights that have more than one mob, for example Silken Court ?

[bleak spoke]

i've seen totems in narnia pretty often

[spice spire]

Like this argument is played out

[bleak spoke]

yeah i feel like this is like an argument that's perenially rehashed

and it's always like if you get rupture dmg value then it's okay

and if you don't then it's not

and it's always like that

[spice spire]

I mean yeah then just step attack. Pending health make your decisions but I’m not gonna go “hmm. I need energy let me was 2 more seconds to send er bud

[balmy condor]

yeah well we have to do the same song and dance with stealths too

[spice spire]

But yeah

I was over it earlier

Still over it now

[bleak spoke]

well yeah but like spatter isn't going to work out there right

in that scenario

which is specifically that portion

[keen spruce]

The fuckin goalposts have been moved to a new stadium

[bleak spoke]

i'm just litigating the spatter point here

[spice spire]

Did it run out? Ie shield took too long to break on mob without

I’ve not run into that

[oak eagle]

theyve moved to one across the country

[novel star]

!snipe command when ?

[bleak spoke]

do you not get reapplication if you parry

[hidden herald]

It is ye. Or sometimes it’s nice to top your energy going into a new pull. Not sure exact maths but we mop up a pack and I’m bottom energy right at the end. Imma snipe for the next pack

[bleak spoke]

maybe that's how my mark gets lost sometimes?

if you're parried*

[balmy condor]

m+ players just love pretending like they're Christopher Columbus out here discovering new insane technology

no one's ever read venomous wounds before

new talent just dropped

[keen spruce]

why tf don't the mobs already have rupture on them if a pack is dying

[oak eagle]

no, they havent and its really weird

[balmy condor]

did you know that rupture refunds energy

[spice spire]

I’m going home, god speed gents

[bleak spoke]

m+ players should just watch seli vods because he is actually christopher columbus

[balmy condor]

bet everyone just forgot that it's done that for legit like 15 fucking years

[chrome cosmos]

Not sure how exactly it happens, but today for example was killing Queen Ansurek and after 50% of the fight I had lost my ability to apply deathstalkers mark

[bleak spoke]

we're fotm right now probably whispyr these things are gonna happen

[hidden herald]

Some will, some won’t. But this defeats your argument why would you rupture a mob that is dying under 8 seconds if you could evenom

[bleak spoke]

i feel like whenever a spec's fotm everyone rushes in and has really cool ideas or whatever

[balmy condor]

I hate this mfer

[spice spire]

Because it deals damage too.

[keen spruce]

bruh if some mobs have rupture... then you don't need to snipe any that don't cuz you're going to get a full refund as the pack dies anyways

[spice spire]

What are we doing here

[keen spruce]

wtf are you talking about?

[balmy condor]

actual 0 reading

[keen spruce]

just do damage instead of putting a random rupture on a dying mob

[balmy condor]

I'm just

[runic hinge]

If things die you don’t need energy for the next pack cause you’re gonna get it back while running

Lmfao

[onyx scroll]

reading is for rich people right?

[balmy condor]

oh my god

[bleak spoke]

reading is for the literate, elitist

[runic hinge]

Ableist

[hidden herald]

Ruptures timing out. Pull is nearly over. Your spamming envenoms. You bottom out energy. You have full KB back for next pack and you wanna full send on the priority target otherwise your group is dedge… so you rupture one of the last dudes for full energy straight into next pack shadowstep full send. That’s just good gameplay fellas

[hallow pelican]

I just came back to my computer and it literally took me 0 time to find the dumb idea in the argument ... and I fuckin suck at rogue

[balmy condor]

no it's not "good gameplay"

but you can't be convinced

[spice spire]

This is ragebait

[balmy condor]

go away and troll under some other bridge

[keen spruce]

this has to be bait

[spice spire]

I refuse to believe this is real

[keen spruce]

I'm gonna go cry in the shower

[balmy condor]

I'm like inches away from a mute there's no way

[spice spire]

Bro ur retired

Touch grass

[keen spruce]

I just got home

I went flying, gym, and driving range

[runic hinge]

Shmeepy log in and carry my keys

[keen spruce]

I'm parsing grass touching

[runic hinge]

I need you to rupture the totems for me

[copper monolith]

i bet u sneezed even thinking about touching grass

didnt you?

[spice spire]

Real

[hallow pelican]

god dammit whose gonna clean the coke out of my keyboard now

[hidden herald]

Even in raid lads

[waxen thunder]

I feel like ive seen this guys youtube channel advertised to me.

[hidden herald]

😄

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor is this your sleep paralysis demon

[keen spruce]

just pop the keycaps off and raw dog it up both nostrils

[hidden herald]

I’m out here sniping energy on all kinds of raid fights

[drifting cloud]

@blazing jewel did you know you can cast garrote outside of stealth now

[balmy condor]

!mute @hidden herald 2d trolling/ragebait

[spice spire]

Out here trying to find someone who asked

[tropic jewel]

i got surekis zealots insignia today - for st it sims pretty good but i guess for m+ i will just go crit mastery i guess ?

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

yes

[tropic jewel]

what about raid st - just got more haste ?

since its simming pretty high atm for me

[balmy condor]

haste is good in single target

it just loses value in aoe

cause you have a bunch of bleeds out giving you energy

[waxen oyster]

nah haste everywhere

[spice spire]

Oh no

[hallow pelican]

and you can snipe energy with ruptures I hear. Its just good gameplay apparently (sorry couldnt resist)

[balmy condor]

oh no

[blazing jewel]

Delete this

[drifting cloud]

theyre all the same sir, just get ilvl

[keen spruce]

[onyx scroll]

oh shit stat weights are coming out

[pliant remnant]

Any Stat Weights enjoyers?

[west crown]

I’m sincerely sorry for bringing this pain and frustration upon you all

[tropic jewel]

well i just have a look from time to time

[balmy condor]

raidbots hiding stat weights but people still finding them

[keen spruce]

I'm a stat weight enjoyer and I'm tired of pretending i'm not

[west crown]

I suck

[blazing jewel]

Whisp is going to put this in slow mode lmfao

[balmy condor]

they need to hide it even deeper

[keen spruce]

no i like it

[balmy condor]

hide the url in a comment somewhere in the HTML

[keen spruce]

i do stat weight then try to guess what droptimizer will recommend

[hallow pelican]

i tried this yesterday and he already yelled at me

[keen spruce]

then equip different piece of gear and see how it changes and try to guess when a different stat will pull ahead

sim minigame

[waxen oyster]

i did it for fun once

and mastery was higher than agi

🤨

[balmy condor]

my favorite stat weight minigame is seeing the stat weights, then changing exactly 1 item, and then guessing how much a stat wiill change

[waxen oyster]

so real

[keen spruce]

yes also fun game

[waxen oyster]

i accidentally

made all 4 of my stats almost even

[bleak spoke]

it's too bad it's too black box to like actually find like interesting minibreakpoints

[keen spruce]

or "guess when robot will start recommending vers"

[bleak spoke]

like there's just too much going on to actually learn anything from it

[balmy condor]

very fun on like fury warriors when you hit some imaginary mini breakpoint

and all of a sudden haste like

quadruples for no reason

[waxen oyster]

outlaw

reach this haste

[icy comet]

How much haste should i aim to land about unbuffed?

[waxen oyster]

or game feels like its lagging

[bleak spoke]

i think even the most historical breakpoint (33% crit on frost for shatter or wahtever) is actually also fake, after all this time

[balmy condor]

it's like those jelly bean things where you either get grape or sewer grate gunk

[keen spruce]

why do pirates want 17% or whatever haste now?

[autumn remnant]

yo, on the rupt sniping, say on a boss like brood, would it be worth to rupt the big spiders (i assume if they live for more than 8secs its good?)

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[bleak spoke]

outlaw is real right now i guess

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

they changed adr

[hallow pelican]

I remember I changed one trinket and the bot said "all ur crit mastery gems are shit now go get haste vers" and then I had diarhea

[keen spruce]

o i c

[bleak spoke]

it's too bad you can't get dtb without poison bomb

[waxen oyster]

you need that much haste for adr to reduce your gcd to 0.8

like before the change

[keen spruce]

'member puzzle box

[autumn remnant]

and would u wanna like, spend as little cp as u can for smthing like that? say on average they die in 10 secs, ud wanna use 1/2cp? or does that not matter

[keen spruce]

Rogue is crit>mastery unless you find a rubix cube then never equip another mastery item again for the whole tier

[bleak spoke]

it would be interesting to have the option for SoB just to try it on a fight like brood

[keen spruce]

[hallow pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[balmy condor]

still 5cp

[autumn remnant]

sound sound. ty

maybe worm boss dies on monday with that info.

[balmy condor]

would you like to see an insanely bad cook

[bleak spoke]

worm boss gives me so much fomo when i watch my guildies do it, i want to raid again, but then like i see really good players die to puddles under the boss and i realize if i were playing i would want to kermit

[bleak spoke]

go ahead

[bleak spoke]

hmmm

i mean

actually

fuck there's no no way to get dashing is there

i'm assuming dashing's probably pretty decent on brood specifically

cuz there's a gorillion things

[balmy condor]

not really

[bleak spoke]

well you could drop a point of zoldycks or sob but if you're doing this

[spice surge]

Tiny toxic blade is a vibe

[balmy condor]

it's got an icd I think

[bleak spoke]

you would never do either

wait dashing has icd

is that with the talent or was it always like that

and i'm just stupid

[balmy condor]

idk

maybe it doesn't

but I don't think it goes super omega bonkers

[bleak spoke]

cuz i remember when we played it in slands in key unironically we would press fok and get a gorillion energy

well

i mean

[balmy condor]

let me go check

[bleak spoke]

a little bit of energy was a gorillion then

i guess

[bleak spoke]

wish it wasn't competing with blindside madge

blindside feels so good

[young dust]

is simc fixed already @balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

fixed?

[spice surge]

Its not, its competing with shrouded and dashing

[balmy condor]

what's wrong with it

[young dust]

well it wasn't correctly applying tier changes, wasnt it?

[bleak spoke]

yeah

[runic hinge]

Drop kb for it

[balmy condor]

aight nvm guess it just goes

[bleak spoke]

yeh

i think it would be unplayable with an icd right

[balmy condor]

nah

[bleak spoke]

i guess if it's okay enough in single

then it's okay enough yeah

but like it would be less cool for sure with an icd is what i really mean

[balmy condor]

yeh but who would notice lowkey

[copper monolith]

Dude i just got gilded crests from an 8

[balmy condor]

idk you're probably right

[copper monolith]

Holy shit

[balmy condor]

too much worth

[bleak spoke]

yep it's new

check blueposts

[copper monolith]

THANK GOD. To everyone who was against that change

get bent!

love this change 😄

[balmy condor]

I mean its a bit strange though innit

[copper monolith]

literally all they needed to do

[balmy condor]

you do a 6 you get champ track gear, you do an 8 and you're getting gilded crests

[bleak spoke]

so maybe it should even be 7 you're saying?

[copper monolith]

literally missing out on the obvious reasoning behind it

[dusty phoenix]

Prolly because ppl were crying about not being able to upgrade their hero track items fully

[bleak spoke]

i think this key level squish has been pretty pointless

tbh

[copper monolith]

champ and heroic gear were functionally the same if you couldn't get gilded crests

[bleak spoke]

like

lmao

[novel star]

i mean idk

call me crazy but a +9 with maxed out 619 gear

is uh

pretty easy

[bleak spoke]

i think you're severely overestimating the playerbase

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean that's also a problem

idk

[copper monolith]

that was the thing they were addressing, that's pretty much it

[bleak spoke]

probably

[balmy condor]

I don't mind crest system

but blizzard is way overcomplicating it

[novel star]

"couldnt get gilded crests" just sounds strange to me when the jump from 8 to 9 is truly just the one key level

its not 9 to 10 or 11 to 12

where something major happens

[copper monolith]

moving the crests from 9 to 8 isn't overcomplicating it

[junior aurora]

make 1 crest type and lock upgrades behind IO or raid boss kills

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[copper monolith]

arguing for a gatekeep for crests is cringe, mythic track being held at 10 is fine.

[balmy condor]

I mean it kinda is though, if you climb naturally through the gearing system, you end up with gilded crests before you can use them lowkey

[frail forge]

I think the bigger issue was 9 was the only key to drop gilded until you hit 10 which is where stuff actually gets difficult so just getting into a 9 key as a dps was a pita. Changing to 8 opens up twice as many keys for pugs to get into to get gilded

[balmy condor]

I'm not arguing for a gatekeep

again

read

please

I like this change

[copper monolith]

NAh, that was just a general thought

not directed at you

[balmy condor]

I just don't think blizzard thought it through

[copper monolith]

a lot of people really were for gatekeeping crests like that

[novel star]

is +9 a significant gatekeep tho

i dont really care either way cause i got all the crafts i need done

[drifting cloud]

if you dont have 2.5k io and 620 they prob are

[novel star]

so more gilded for me is just cake

but

[copper monolith]

if they made a change that like, they probably saw numbers taking a dive.

or saw how many bricked keys there were

and then conneted the dots

nolt sure which they noticed

[spice surge]

Probably not

[copper monolith]

or which they acted on

[frail forge]

It wasn't that 9 was "hard"...just that it was the only key level to drop gilded before stuff actually did get hard...too many people applying for just 9 keys so no one could get into them (if pugging)

[spice surge]

Just saw the massive amount of yapping

And thought why the hell not, make em shut up

[junior aurora]

just wait until next patch when people find out getting all the t2 remake sets will be miserable

and start yapping until blizz fixes

[west crown]

Checking for false information. Saw an info graphic that says crimson vial gets rid of the affix this week. True?

[vast loom]

it heals thats for sure

[balmy condor]

I just think they need to be a little big more precise with where what gear comes from.

Like in raid, last 2 drop gilded, you need gilded for the last upgrades on hero track, so the end of hero track -> end of heroic raid, we're cooking. Makes sense, do the harder end of track content to get the end of track gear upgrades/start of new track, okay everything nice cool epic

But then you get to m+, and you're getting champ track gear for champ track content, then you do a 7 and start getting hero track pieces, you get a couple hero track pieces, do an 8 now, and you're getting crests you don't need yet and it's like what?

[spice surge]

In the same way vivify and flash heal gets rid of the affix ye

[balmy condor]

it feels like there's like 4 key levels missing between 7 and 8

[junior aurora]

Theres 4 key levels missing between 9 and 10 and 11 and 12 lol

[balmy condor]

yeah

[copper monolith]

whaqt do you mean you're getting crests you don't need yet in an 8?

[west crown]

Ok so doesnt work.

[balmy condor]

the whole squish is just whack

[copper monolith]

I need gilded.

[keen spruce]

big true

[copper monolith]

I'm in that situation where champ and heroic is the same due to lack of gilded

[keen spruce]

who tf cares if the highest keys are a 15 or a 45

ig it's to smooth out lower keys so there's not this mire of +2->+15 you have to slog through

[west crown]

Well I like the squish because the levels are more meaningful and you go up quicker

[copper monolith]

basically me

thirsting for gilded

[west crown]

I do agree we need a 7.5,9.5,11.5 tho

[junior aurora]

7.5?

[keen spruce]

I think if they just slowed down the ramping at +12

it would be fine

[junior aurora]

the jumps are 9 to 10 and 11 to 12

[runic hinge]

They wanted to squish the player base in

[west crown]

Well 12 getting nerfed

[keen spruce]

so that higher pushing wasn't so steep

[runic hinge]

So you have to do your keys with shitters

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean after 12

[balmy condor]

if you're doing 7's, and getting hero track gear to upgrade, you can very quickly go into 8's as well since there's no barrier between 7's and 8's, same as there's no barrier between 8's and 9's. The difficulty jump isn't there. 9 to 10 has a jump, 11 to 12 has a jump. So like you do your 7's, you get your gear, now you have gear to push up and instead of runed crests for your new hero track gear you're getting gilded, which is weird

like there's no "hero track" progression in m+

because they squished it all down

[runic hinge]

Wish you would squish me down

[copper monolith]

the hero track is when you get gilded crests

[coral ibex]

hero track should go higher

with runed

[copper monolith]

what would make sense is if gilded starts at 7

[balmy condor]

what

[brittle quail]

hero should start dropping at 6 imo then you have heroic progression

[junior aurora]

that would make less sense

[balmy condor]

that meakes even less sense

[copper monolith]

how

[balmy condor]

gilded crests are myth track currency

[copper monolith]

but you need gilded crests to finish hero track

[junior aurora]

what hes saying is the hero track gear drops from the 8 but you cant even upgrade it with the crests you’re getting

[copper monolith]

that

That exactly

[junior aurora]

yea but you need runed for the first 4

[balmy condor]

yeah of course

but the majority of hero track is runed crests

[junior aurora]

im agreeing with whispyr not you

[balmy condor]

gilded crests are supposed to bridge the gap

that's why they're needed for the last 2

[copper monolith]

Yeah but what you said is what i couldnt articulate

[junior aurora]

but thats why it would make less sense to drop gilded earlier

[copper monolith]

What.

[balmy condor]

so you should be doing end of hero track content (like last 2 heroic bosses), for the end of hero track upgrades

that doesn't exist in m+

[copper monolith]

I think you guys arent thinking from a mindset other than top tier WoW player.

[junior aurora]

you get the hero piece at 1/6 from an 8 and you cant use the crests you drop from the dungeon to upgrade it

Because you still need 45 runed first

[spice surge]

Get hero track items > cant upgrade it because you only get gildeds

[keen spruce]

if guilded dropped from lower keys then that would exacerbate the problem of the gear dropping not being upgradable by the crests you are receiving

[junior aurora]

but you are only getting gilded

[balmy condor]

I'm not even thinking of the mindset of anything, I'm thinking of the logical conclusion of how the system works in other content

[serene mason]

!up

[prisma monolith]

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[copper monolith]

heroic track gear is functionally the same as champion gear if you have 0 access to gilded crests. Correct?

[brittle quail]

either hero drop at 6 or nerf 7-8-9 by like 10% dmg taken and put gilded on 9 again but gilded on 8 seems stupid

[spice surge]

Yes, AFTER youve used tons of runed crests on them

[copper monolith]

That feels like dogwater to get gear that you can upgrade, but can't upgrade because you can't get into 9's yet.

so what use are 7's and 8's?

[junior aurora]

runed crests

[copper monolith]

You dont need those anymore

[junior aurora]

and hero track gear

[copper monolith]

you need gilded.

[junior aurora]

no, you dont need those anymore

[keen spruce]

bro the gear that drops

[spice surge]

Are you reading our responses, or do you just keep saying the same thing over and over

[keen spruce]

in 7s

8s

requires runed

[copper monolith]

i am, i just can't understand why you see it they way you do

it's baffling to me

especially when blizzard see's it , and moved it down a peg.

THATS how i know im not crazy here.

[junior aurora]

you are missing the forest for the trees bro

[copper monolith]

Explain. I won't type.