assassination

[cerulean walrus]

Imagine being a coin flipper

[dim yacht]

not quite, you gotta take amp poison

[cerulean walrus]

When you could have purple X

[slate crown]

Metroid build Metroid build dinkdonk

[balmy condor]

not until you get a 639 cloak

[dim yacht]

because its the one time where you would NOT use amp poison when talented

so i took it anyway

[honest pelican]

roger, so just make it on bracers or boots anyway? and wait for a hero/myth track cloak

[waxen oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1291129492856635462/image.png?ex=6708340b&is=6706e28b&hm=ae250802a4872fafd927ed264cfcd43658ad4c5441882131f76a72373c3cc843& i saw this in a normal last week

[royal lantern]

leech was never good on dps/tanks, cus it doesnt really do anything

[balmy condor]

yeh that's what I would do

[royal lantern]

avoidance lets you sometimes survive stuff that would have killed you with a sliver hp

leech doesnt let you survive stuff that needs healing, you beeing at 41%hp instead of 40% hp doesnt matter, the healer HAS to heal you or you die

[bleak spoke]

man like the worst part is that doesn't even look fun to play

[honest pelican]

ill go with boots then, since im wearing timewalking ones that are crit/versa. easy replace

[bleak spoke]

you know what i mean

at least have the self respect to take greenskins if you're going to troll

nah we're really just talenting killin spree so we get the lions share of the

[waxen oyster]

yeah not even fun talents

[runic hinge]

Stop leaking my builds

[honest pelican]

they failed big time not taking blade rush there

[bleak spoke]

tbh it's like kinda funny how fucked up you can get your talent tree to be, but it's also kind of new player unfriendly probably

like

like @waxen oyster that one isn't like the worst thing that can happen to you kind of

but like it should be impossible to do something like the sin tree i linked earlier, or for you to be able to do something like this https://i.imgur.com/qYgDb9O.png for example

stuff like ven wounds, stuff like deepening shadows, relentless strikes, the class passives basically, all of these things should be literally unskippable

[waxen oyster]

no blades

[copper monolith]

well i reached 2000 the other day

im now 2030

still havent done a 9 yet tho

just trying to replaced somechampion gear still

i also have a mage ive been playing too, but it's been the same story with it too

[static geyser]

skardyn grace from temu

[bleak spoke]

[prime hull]

What talents should I run for Mythic ulgrax I am so confused. I played him today first time and the boss is pure single target but then the add phases make me think we should take some aoe like crimson tempest?

And cooldowns come up in intermission but it feels a waste to use them since everything dies so quickly.

[static geyser]

You can see what top parsers use on logs

[prime hull]

Should I just play the m+ hybrid build?

[static geyser]

And try

[errant mauve]

should i upgrade my crafted dagger to 636 or do a different craft? currently my crafted is 606 in OH and MH is at 626

[balmy condor]

oh heavens no

just swap into caustic spatter

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak spoke]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38#boss=2902&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination you can get to this page from the homepage from hitting the rankings button under the boss you want to check

[prime hull]

I just looked at the top 100 parses and they are all over the place for talents. I parsed like 53 and I felt like i did nothing in add phases. I would rupture an add and then it just dies.

[nimble vector]

please do not look at top parses for ulgrax / ovinax / rashanan for what to play it will just be people padding

[bleak spoke]

yep

so what you do is

just open up one of the logs

[prime hull]

Thank you I will try that next raid

[bleak spoke]

and see specfic stuff ppl are doing

[stable cove]

does anyone have a mouse over kick that actually works

[balmy condor]

/cast [@mouseover][] Kick

[coral ibex]

/cast [@focus,harm,nodead] [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Kick```

[stable cove]

hmmm

oh whispyr daddy i have a question

[balmy condor]

terrifying

[stable cove]

so i got 96 parse mythic silkran but i was wondering if that is inflated bc its compared to pre-buff logs? or are logs adjusted to compensate for tuning?

idk how that works

[bleak spoke]

it's not partitioned so yeah

[noble pine]

hey guys is there a plater profile that changes the color of the name plate that has deathstalkers mark active?

[nimble tartan]

its inflated until the next group goes

[bleak spoke]

should be in with the pre buff

[balmy condor]

yeh

[stable cove]

dang so im not cool

[balmy condor]

like unless you see partitions

like this

it's all in the same jumble

parses are always compared to the last 2 weeks

[nimble tartan]

not at all

in fact its so uncool that u even asked

[stable cove]

wow

ok im becoming a normal raider now

[bleak spoke]

i too wish i could just be normal

[still pewter]

Whispyr does the buff change our pi value?

[normal mist]

I went from having 619-610 weapons, to 626-626 weapons thanks to the princess fist weapon

fuck freaking yes

[balmy condor]

no

[arctic tusk]

do the daggers from M+ matter at all if youre doing mythic raid

[severe sparrow]

My dumb ass over here wondering what the math value has to do w us fuck

[worldly sail]

i would nut if i had that dagger in vault

[balmy condor]

do you have a myth track dagger?

[arctic tusk]

ya but rash cloak is right there

not yet but

bloodbound is recleared every week

[balmy condor]

actually what the hell am I saying

[arctic tusk]

😎

[balmy condor]

you have a 636 crafted I assume

and you're killing bloodbound yeah

why wouldn't you take the cloak

[arctic tusk]

so its safe to say i griefed my loot and i do not have a crafted dagger but I do still ahve my 90 crests this week

and i have heroic rash cloak

NO FLAME

[balmy condor]

okay so you craft a 636 and then take the cloak

[viscid marsh]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[balmy condor]

still an obvious cloak take

[spice spire]

Wait whispyr I thought you dumpstered that command

[arctic tusk]

i assumed so, if i play on palying sub even tho the dagger stats are good from that M+ one i feel like stats are fake i can just get them on rings or something instead

[balmy condor]

oh true

[spice spire]

Man’s gonna make the command just @ me now

[nova aspen]

upgrading my offhand is a downgrade

[balmy condor]

compared to what

[nova aspen]

im trying to decide what to spend my 90 myth crests on this week https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h1KXb1rLpNAnFDS28L2Qk2

not sure if i did something wrong there

[balmy condor]

oh right I can't, remember

its hardcoded

[west crown]

Wow fatebound is a huge hit in dps

[spice spire]

Oh fuck

That sucks

[west crown]

never saw it in sim

[balmy condor]

no, that looks correct

[hollow marlin]

Hmmm, is imp poisons > imp garrote on brood? Or is garrote more ST vs the poison application on the adds over the fight?

[balmy condor]

imp poison > imp gar on everything pretty much, you get to save vanish for mark

[nova aspen]

hmm

[hollow marlin]

Kk, I was going to play sub and troll my guild, but decided to go sin. We need a little more AOE so i'm going to grab crimmy

[proud pelican]

is dropping 2x VV and dashing and picking up imp garrote, sanguine, and ss the prevailing non VV ST build?

[acoustic roost]

Ye

[proud pelican]

massive

[hollow marlin]

Thanks 🙂

[rich hare]

AIGHT

I need someone to pull me into discord and explain ass to me like im 5 years old.

[nova aspen]

press buttons

[slate crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/904834822239813673/1181387490460958750/r_L_rZAnIzFrv1Cpt3DHVHozwAGtXmZmj2wyW4zlj_s.gif?ex=6580dfd6&is=656e6ad6&hm=9fabaf8fab9af4a6ed53bd697e662c8ab61af84bc6f3bdbb219ac1a0bda3703c&

[balmy condor]

last time I pulled someone they called me a creep and I got kicked off the train

[rich hare]

i would never ;-;

[thorn fjord]

You obviously weren’t on a bright line

[primal heron]

Whats a good Double vanish build?

[balmy condor]

that's an oxymoron

[fast mural]

New assa rocks/ 11 NW

[primal heron]

Are you running double vanish

[fast mural]

No

[pulsar prism]

ew double vanish

[normal mist]

he's running a aug

[simple ore]

I run triple vanish, I vanish twice then leave the key because I'm running double vanish

[balmy condor]

[fast mural]

Finally Envenom do dmg

[indigo ginkgo]

does it happens with you people too ?
Same times when i want to reaply mark, i vanish ambush and it doesnt aply !

[haughty lantern]

guys

3rd times the charm

i finally got a hidden delve chest that didn't fuck me

[balmy condor]

spamming too hard

gotta wait a split second

[haughty lantern]

hey @balmy condor any advice for heroic queen ansurek? our guild finally got heroic court down last night so we're on to queen. is there anything i need to be super aware about for heroic?

specifically like sin rogue information

obv i can look up a guide

for the mechanics themselves

[balmy condor]

you can step the intermission pull but you still have to run out, save vanish for after the intermission to reapply the mark

gg

[haughty lantern]

ye, found i typically lose my mark somewhere in the intermission

[balmy condor]

after the shield

yeh

very simple fix is just don't play imp gar

and then you don't need vanish

and then you get to vanish whenever

[prime hull]

Is there a way to take lightweight shiv in the hybrid build? I feel like my shiv (and my tea) usage is really bad when I only have one charge.

[balmy condor]

very cool

[balmy condor]

no

[prime hull]

I keep missing all the shivs outside of kingsbane

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[haughty lantern]

i will probably just so pure ST with caustic. idk exactly how we're gonna do the fight (if i need to be MORE focussed on the adds or not)

[rich hare]

NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE

HELP ME

[hearty plover]

Skardyn's Grace// Treacherous Transmitter// Ara-Kara Sacbrood which is the best combination in m+?

[fast mural]

Good luck on focus adds with warriors

[balmy condor]

Yep, 2x vv and imp poison/caustic

[rich hare]

fuck it im staying outlaw and will suffer the consequences

[balmy condor]

YOLO

[hearty plover]

Treacherous Transmitter is hard to use in m+?

[runic hinge]

JUMP THREE TIMES

[haughty lantern]

you could say it's.....treacherous

[balmy condor]

Trinket blows yeah

[balmy condor]

Yep

[haughty lantern]

so we killed nexus princess last night

and 3 fuckin daggers dropped.

i already had a single hero track one from last week

worst part? NONE of them had a tertiary stat. just 3 bland daggers.

[balmy condor]

We had 2 drop from heroic while I wasn’t there

But then bloodbound gave one on first kill

So now I never need daggers again

[haughty lantern]

also whispyr while i have your attention, what's your thoughts on doing 1 auth of depths and 1 radiant power? i do m+ pretty frequently)

[prime hull]

What doesnt make sense?

[indigo ginkgo]

thank you , i didnt thought we had to wait , you right when we press vanish it takes a sec to enter , waisting dps on this shit omg !

[balmy condor]

It’s one gcd

You’ll live

[upper patrol]

@balmy condor Do you think it's good to garrote the same target for spread in AoE, or is it worth to sweat and mouseover garrote?

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qXRHNwCoKwNzRyAe8hdBX5 1.2M gang

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[runic hinge]

I could do that if I did a pi sim

[tall jay]

I’m getting there with Whispyrs bis list lol

[upper patrol]

I see thank you

[slim pebble]

The WA I picked up for it says “cum” after I complete the tasks lol

[normal mist]

I get PI thats why i sim with it

[runic hinge]

Unhinged

[runic hinge]

@normal mist I didn’t realize you did a pi sim. I noticed in logs after Sunday that I am getting pi

My priest loves me. Despite the fact I told her to pi someone else lol

[slim pebble]

I get PI in keys and it’s fun

[errant mauve]

what you guys think about crafted wep upgrade to 636 or craft a different item and use 2 hero daggers max ilvl

[sharp lily]

Ill never get PI, the priest is married to one of the warlocks

[prime hull]

In my guild the priest is married to the prot warrior so he always gets the power infusion haha.

[sharp lily]

Oof

[wide ridge]

lmao

[visual sun]

Our PI getting hogged by our ret 😂 while having a bm hunter in raid

[nocturne quail]

does cloak work for this affix this week ?

[acoustic roost]

Yes

But get a shaman 🙂 totem OP

[nocturne quail]

i mean no shot im cloaking it

[hearty plover]

assassination doesn't use treacherous is this real?

[proud pelican]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nocturne quail]

i mean you can

[acoustic roost]

It does, it’s just a pita. Skyardyns is easier to not mess up

[hearty plover]

yeah i think Skyardyns is upgrade version

then treacherous

[lethal drift]

I usw wrathstone atm. Its super strong too

[copper sun]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hearty plover]

in simc use 2 Equip / it is useful in real game?

[copper sun]

Does atrophic poison work on environmental damage in on raid bosses?

[sharp lily]

Typically no

[crimson wigeon]

do people just macro thistle tea kingsbane?

[shy pecan]

No. You want to keep it separate and use it with shiv for energy as needed

[crimson wigeon]

fair enough, one thing im kinda struggling to understand is how kingsbane damage works with buffs from Shiv and thistle tea from my understanding we want shiv to cover the end of kingsbane. Is this because kingsbane procs it damage at the end when it expires? or does it act like a poison and constantly tick damage while its on

[rotund marsh]

hows assa doing rn for aoe

are they fun?

[boreal bobcat]

the way I understand it is you want it to buff the end because kingsbane does more damage the longer it ramps and so you buff the strongest part of it.

[spice surge]

We dont want tea* to cover the last bit of kingsbane

Thats 10.2 tech

Now we use tea when we need energy during shiv

[hardy dagger]

[crimson wigeon]

oh yea it is shiv at beginning then when it ends. im raid mind with the 2 stacks rn like a bozo

[hardy dagger]

shivception

[solar wyvern]

I used the Shiv to Shiv the Shiv!!

[spice surge]

Mb wrote shiv, i meant tea

[solar wyvern]

❤️

[crimson wigeon]

but i read the ability again and saw that it says over 14 seconds so yes it works like a lethal poison.

we're just being foolish

[ripe rapids]

Does anyone have a WA to like remind me to use shiv at the right time in Mythic plus so it covers the end of Kingsbane? I have seen a couple streams where they had one

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

go into your shiv WA, add a trigger for kingsbane effect, make a condition for <= 7s +glow

[runic hinge]

LE has one in there in the rogue collection

I have it to play a clown horn at me at 8 seconds

Because I am a clown

[crystal vault]

buffs are now on raidbots? feels like nothing changed for me (nightly)

[hearty plover]

which is better on tier parts head or chest?

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

[hard river]

yea

well idk about Nightly

[pastel pine]

what is the bubbly wax or whatever called and where does it drop?

[hard river]

always use Latest

[indigo elk]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[kindred elm]

Haha I use the gun shot

[indigo elk]

oops the thing got changedagain

[hard river]

wax is a rogue-only consumable you get starting from this quest and then can pickpocket them from kobolds.

it is a weapon rune like whetstones

[crude nymph]

Hey gang how much do we care about this Improved Poisons talent?

[steep gust]

Hello! I just started mythic brood prog - any suggestion for good cloak usage?

[spice surge]

Use it when you have to double stack

And/or right before webs go out when you want to deathmark, if youre just looking for dps

[stable cove]

how do u guys track 2 target bleeds on fights like council? is there a good wa

[indigo elk]

For our opener, we FoK to clear Witness if not talented into vicious venom ya?

[dapper cradle]

yeye

[dapper cradle]

solo in sin disc

[indigo elk]

Looking through the logs of top parsers , they mutilate and no FoK without vicious venom so was just wondering if i got the wrong understanding

[dapper cradle]

hmm interesting, would have to look at the logs

[balmy condor]

Without vicious you would fok to consume clear the witnesses in single target

[indigo elk]

great thanks! was just afraid of misunderstanding

[exotic rose]

I personally track garrote focus and rupture focus and have keybinds for each. You can duplicate your existing garrote and rupture debuff tracking weak auras and change target to focus.

Also useful on mists 1st boss.

[distant plinth]

Boss frames

[stable cove]

oh bet thanks

[balmy condor]

Anything more than 1 target and I’m tracking on nameplates tbh

[tired gull]

dammit, no 5m envenom tonight 😦

[static glacier]

I landed a 6m env

today on sikran

[static glacier]

im lying

it was on brood, sikran max was

wait

it's the fucking aug

stealing a mil of damage

ican't

[honest iris]

Do you not have to wait for vanish to line up with deathmark anymore? on logs, I see people just sending stealth garrote after deathmark

[static glacier]

depends on a few things

there's builds that don't run shrouded suffocation / improved garotte

for those builds vanish isn't tied to dps outside of applying Deathstalker's mark

normally in the opener you will vanish once your initial gar is in pandemic range to reapply it, this happens during the opening death mark

[balmy condor]

[honest iris]

okay, I still see it being done even with improved garrote, but i guess this is to apply within the pandemic range?

[static glacier]

this wasn't even a deathmark covered envenom

smh coulda gotten a few more lethal dose stacks on

[balmy condor]

Built diff

Well

Not lethal dose

Double amp

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor is it because you have the proper secondary stat distribution

[static glacier]

actually

[balmy condor]

During opener yeah or they’re just slamming dm on cooldown

[static glacier]

it was dm'd

how does amp work with dm anyhow

[balmy condor]

Real

[static glacier]

can we consume two 10 stacks?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[static glacier]

[blazing jewel]

[static glacier]

sad day today, first time I lost an overall, guildie ret and arc mage beat me 😔

[desert vault]

Just starting into mythic, for Ulgrax is it better to take vicious venoms or CT or MA?

[static glacier]

there was pi doping

[desert vault]

seems like most of the logs I was looking at are taking CT

[quasi steeple]

Guys, quick question, which embelish is the go to? weap with ascendance? or the one that gives critic?

[pliant terrace]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[tepid breach]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[errant swallow]

Anyone else being pulled out of stealth randomly tonight?

[static glacier]

affix

[errant swallow]

In raid I meant, sorry.

I'm used to that happening in keys.

[tawny shell]

@balmy condor is the ovinax egg good even if not maxing the movement? or does APL stand still?

[spice surge]

The sim doesnt do any movement for it, it just stands still

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t really lose a lot of value from moving but it’s enough to be just kinda whatever trinket

It’s not awful

But there’s better

Probably fine to use

[nimble tartan]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged basin]

pov: you get rogues best 3 buffs in 1 key

[tawny shell]

If i had the chose of sac 626 and ovinax 639 would ovinax just be worth regardless of movement? @balmy condor @spice surge

[shy heron]

This is one of those expansion starts where you really just sim all the trinkets you have because you might get surprised

[novel dock]

!trinket

[balmy condor]

teknirt!

[balmy condor]

Whatever you wanna do man they’re probably similar

[shy heron]

!ikiss

[balmy condor]

!spellicup

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[sinful holly]

this item -> sold for gold right?

[hallow pelican]

@balmy condor you probably dont remember but I asked the other day about being surprised by Ovinax's egg and you correctly pointed out it would boost haste instead of Mastery. I found this strange because my Mastery is higher in both Number and % ... is there something you're aware of thats going on with our secondary stats that would trigger this?

[balmy condor]

Stats just be like that idk man

X > Y > Z is like super generalized 15 year old nonsense that doesn’t reflect how the game works

[hallow pelican]

So when something says "highest secondary stat" ... it may actually not be? COOL I LOVE HOW SHIT WORKS!

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[hallow pelican]

fuckin game ...

[balmy condor]

Cause like

[hallow pelican]

imagine we had an on use trinket that pulled shit like that .... I say unironically

[balmy condor]

Let’s say you have a mastery proc from skardyns

And then you equip the egg

The egg then reads your mastery as highest

Cause it’ll snapshot it

So technically you can just unequip items and then the egg and then re equip

And it should change the stat

[woeful galleon]

is mandate not bis for rogue?

[hallow pelican]

I mean between ascendance, chaos flasks, tempered potions, and "highest secondary stat ... maybe" items, how the fuck can we even properly look at stat weights

[spice surge]

Theres a reason it got hidden on raidbots years ago

[balmy condor]

Generally is for single target as the second slot

[hallow pelican]

i mean ill still play rogue cause sneaky ... but ... oof

[balmy condor]

Skardyns+mandate or transmitter+mandate

[balmy condor]

This isn’t a rogue thing

It’s just the game evolving past crit-mast-haste recommendations

People demand more exact numbers and gear/talents are more complicated

Bis lists back in the day were just some spreadsheet by some random guy doing napkin math being passed around and people were like yeah good enough

If you only care to get within 4-5% accuracy stat weights are fine and x>y>z works great

But in a world where people are swapping talents for 0.2% that’s just not possible

And that’s on top of the gear being rougher overall, needing vault for anything out of m+ just makes things very difficult to generalize

Race to world first people playing transmitter cause they don’t have a skardyns, well now their stats are different cause the trinket is injecting haste and agi and not mast

It’s just messy

For the level of accuracy the community demands there’s simply no solution other than top gear on their own characters

We’re past bis lists and templates and tier lists, cause they’re too generalized and not accurate/realistic enough

[shy heron]

They're worth something but not everything

[balmy condor]

I mean for the people they’re targeted for they’re actually pointless

[shy heron]

Yeah I can see that

[balmy condor]

No heroic-low mythic raider filling 2 m+ vault slots a week is going to find usable info from a bis list

[sonic schooner]

yes but whispyr what is my bis?

[balmy condor]

Most mythic raiders can’t even find value from it

Like the overlapping slice of people who can draw good info from a bis list, and the people who look at a bis and don’t just synthesize the info themselves

Is so INSANELY low

[upper wraith]

well good thing im a heroic raider atm

[balmy condor]

I’d wager like less than 1/250

[hallow pelican]

I just speak as one of the lower 65% of rogues who dont mythic raid who understands that the math gets complicated but looks for stat benchmarks to help figure out how I play the class. I one of the unwashed masses who are really dumb and wish there were someone saying "get crit haste mast to A B and C" and then I could try and figure out my rotation once I have that baseline. I need a lowest common denominator because Im "the average" player

[shy heron]

They'll get mixed success at best but I play with a broad spectrum of players so the fact that they even looked at it is big to me because it gives them some kinda something to work towards and y'all usually do a reasonable job of explaining why they are the way they are

[balmy condor]

Yeah but that’s the thing, if that’s what you want, just equip item level as it comes to you and it’s good enough

The lowest common denominator is item level

[shy heron]

Well yeah it does distill there

[sonic schooner]

the thing i encounter the more is people not understnding that a bis list means an item is bis if you have all the part arround it. Secondaries stats are so variables now it seems like a "perfect bis list" doesnt exist anymore and that s good. More way to upgrade gear and our progression

[shy heron]

That's why I wore haste through heroic prog as sub

[balmy condor]

A 615 equipped character will do more damage than a 610 equipped character outside of an extreme outlier like a 590 dagger or no tier or whatever

[fallen moss]

can you vanish phase blades on sikran mythic?

[shy heron]

Yeah generally but I've seen some truly boosted apes

[sonic schooner]

talking about stats / sims / ilvl, our guildie dh and enhance sham simmed stat weight and they have higher mastery weight than agi somehow. That s very confusing to me

but stats weight ya know shit crap should be delete from raidbot if u ask me

[shy heron]

Can't say I have

[balmy condor]

That’ll happen yeah

[sonic schooner]

They re 625 ilvl, they re still missing a looooooot of ilvl. But that was funny to me that s the first time a stat weight doesnt show main stats first

[balmy condor]

Nah that’s fairly regular

Especially late in an expansion

This expansion ilvl is some crazy shit idk

They fucked with it somehow but ilvl is just way stronger than usual

But basically every class sees main stat drop below secondaries in last tier for example

[sonic schooner]

🤷‍♂️ idk i m not good at that kind of things anyway. I just run top gear over and over and i dont ask question to mister bot

[spice surge]

Bro really cracked the code

[sonic schooner]

yea and on outlaw versa was still the best stat even after reaching 60%

Eleem

[runic hinge]

I sim three times an upgrade just to keep the robot on their toes

[sonic schooner]

i sometimes do that

[spice surge]

[sonic schooner]

i love the wrong tooltip / bug on your sub's pin

Rogue always love bugs

[spice surge]

Hanging out in here because apparently even though sub and assa was doing the same singletarget assa got a +5% buff, whereas sub still has several big (3-5%) bugs

[sonic schooner]

meanwhile outlaw got nerfed cuz heroic week xD

I m back to ass cuz i truly dislike trickster sub. 3 dance thing then solo symbol. I cant it s not my sub i liked

[runic hinge]

At least it got rebuffed. Unlike assa who ate two heroic week nerfs in 3 tiers and got left as mid both times

[spice surge]

Its 2 weeks until the .5 patch anyway

[sonic schooner]

i ll always remember S3 DF when assa got nerfed cuz it was a good PI holder, but uh dk and lock wearing PI for 10 expansions isnt an issue

[sonic schooner]

i ll be back to outlaw spamming feint off gcd. Look at my apm going brrrrrrrrr

[slate crown]

Is that the one where all the bugs are fixed?

[spice surge]

Nah but new stuff

[sonic schooner]

hold on, they fix a bug they implement 3 news

always been

[spice surge]

Seems absolutely broken on assa, especially in keys

[runic hinge]

Praying for good ptr patch notes

[slate crown]

I know

[spice surge]

12 seconds of master assassin

Is wild

[sonic schooner]

yea they went crazy

[runic hinge]

I can cast garrote 12 times in a row

[sonic schooner]

rogue .5 patchnote is absolutely banger on assa and outlaw, idk that much on sub

[spice surge]

Nerfs survivability by removing dance from soothing & no more dust reducing cloak/evasion, nerfs niche of moving around cds, shorter blades makes the burst windows scuffed because you cant really fit 2 sectechs and making flag+blades 90s is fine this tier but theyre surely not gonna remember to make a 90s trinket available to rogues next tier

Very very far from absolutely banger

[sonic schooner]

oh yea the removal of dust

[spice surge]

New supercharger is cool though, gotta hand em that

Naked symbols still blows ass too

[sonic schooner]

i hate supercharger as an outlaw, the idea is just not good , press RTB on CD
So all on 90s cd? I thought they made flag 1mn so sub was like assa. Shorten blades is a bad idea imo, we depends so much on double sectech, or triple within flag with trickster. Sad for sub 😔

but hey, it means 11.2 rework ! and rework always mean op

[spice surge]

They reverted it, now both are 90s

Flag still 24 seconds

Blades 16

:^)

[sonic schooner]

doesnt feel right at all

[runic hinge]

:3

[sonic schooner]

hope more changes are coming cuz that s bad. I loved all the changes they did to blades the last expansion, it finally feels like an offensive CD unlike in SL. But now if they re slowly nerfing it, meh

And 90s idk, didnt raid always hated 3mn CDs? I always felt like 60s / 2mn CDs are the go to

But glad they remove dust if u ask me, i liked it on prog, i hated it on farm, S3 DF was horrible to play after first clear

[pure raptor]

Full Kingsbane duration in MA with Double Vanish sounds bursty

[errant swallow]

pre pot pulling me out of stealth -_-

[balmy condor]

Why tf are we prepotting

First like 6-7 seconds are just dead gcds to set up

[winged basin]

just macro it and skardyns to deathmark, and never think about it every again

ez pz

[woven shore]

i think i know who that is

[rotund marsh]

What’s assa good at rn

I’m trying to figure out what spec to main

[woven shore]

at getting declined in keys

[rotund marsh]

I like aoe mainly

[woven shore]

🤣

then play assa

or Outlaw if you like spammy aoe

[rotund marsh]

Was in the sub channel and they seem to not like the state of the class

[woven shore]

if you are new to rogue then you will have to take your time

[rotund marsh]

Played rogue in df

My only issue with assa is pooling

Not a huge fan of it

[woven shore]

wym

[rotund marsh]

The energy pooling?

[woven shore]

lol

[rotund marsh]

Is that not a thing anymore?

[dapper cradle]

Double vanish builds???????

[faint vessel]

anyone else having lua errors on luxthos WAs?

was fine all day, logged back on and suddenly errors -.-

[woven shore]

for my part on aoe i dont run out of energy

well.. if i use rap and garrot on +4 lol

just go on youtube

and check spec guides

if you are not sure

[rotund marsh]

single target is still heavy pooling focused right?

[acoustic roost]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[acoustic roost]

Not so much with Deathstalker which is what you play as assa

[rotund marsh]

thats cool

[acoustic roost]

You concentrate more on envenom uptime

[rotund marsh]

well isnt that the big energy consumer?

[acoustic roost]

And then just spam during CDs

No the big energy consumer is your builder mutilate

[rotund marsh]

ahhh i see

oh jeez

yeah 50 energy

[acoustic roost]

Since you take vicious venoms which makes it cost 10 more

[rotund marsh]

ok makes sense

[woven shore]

60 lol

[rotund marsh]

huh!

jesus

[woven shore]

its fun to paly

play

[rotund marsh]

dont remember setting up a build

[woven shore]

way more fun then in Bfa

[rotund marsh]

im sure this is super wrong

for aoe

[faint vessel]

thats normal DS hybrid aoe

[woven shore]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/enchants-gems-pve-dps

go here

read all

you good

[acoustic roost]

Aoe you have infinite energy and just spam fan and envenoms basically.

[faint vessel]

vicious venoms is specd for single target, so you wont have it in your aoe build

[woven shore]

"muti"

[echo cargo]

wild

[woven shore]

+4 key?

[rotund marsh]

is the hybrid one i have good?

or should i change a few things

[echo cargo]

+8 grim batol

[woven shore]

get me into it

[balmy condor]

It’s the build from the guide

[woven shore]

so ican drop trinket

[faint vessel]

DS hybrid is commonly used, I would read wowhead or the pins here

[balmy condor]

Looks fine to me

[echo cargo]

yea, that's what I use

[rotund marsh]

is VV a single target thing mainly?

[balmy condor]

It buffs your single target generator

So yes

[rotund marsh]

i remember the shiv builds being pretty good for M+

[faint vessel]

all sin builds are shiv builds 🙂

[balmy condor]

The what builds

[rotund marsh]

i mean the damage ones

[woven shore]

LMFAO

[rotund marsh]

like the capstone

additional charge etc

[balmy condor]

Sure, that was because of the season 3 tier

[faint vessel]

oh arterial

[rotund marsh]

tiny toxic blade too

[balmy condor]

Arterial was actually the weakest part of that build

Okay now you’re wildin

[rotund marsh]

it was kinda fun, you would have a pocket nuke

[balmy condor]

People do not play tiny toxic

[rotund marsh]

anymore

[balmy condor]

Shiv doesn’t deal damage

[faint vessel]

just read wowhead and the pins here 🙂

[balmy condor]

No like ever

[rotund marsh]

i was talking about in df

[woven shore]

i personally miss this bleed out skill that assa had in bfa
Extinguish or so

[balmy condor]

Yes

[rotund marsh]

i could have sworn in df that was used

[balmy condor]

No one played tiny toxic in df

It was a meme talent

[rotund marsh]

ok maybe im just misremembering

[balmy condor]

They had to buff it for war within and it’s still really mediocre

[past bobcat]

Do we think sin is in a good state though? Overall talents and everything?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[unkempt karma]

Exasang in BFA was the bomb

[faint vessel]

worst part of sin rn is farming skardyns

[woven shore]

i loved that shit

[faint vessel]

67 and counting baby

[echo cargo]

I'm enjoying sin a lot more in m+ than previous seasons

[past bobcat]

I just use transmitter

[woven shore]

SHUT UUUUUUUP

[unkempt karma]

With CDs and hero phases.. you just ate

[winged basin]

Sin feels so good, I cannot wait to see how we play with 11.0.5 changes

[rotund marsh]

if they buffed shivs base damage, could you see that kind of build being good

[past bobcat]

It sims higher than Skardyns currently

[woven shore]

😡

[balmy condor]

Exsang shit button

[faint vessel]

I guess I could just use transmittter

[errant mauve]

Anyone know why with target lock option clicked my target constantly drops or changes

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[faint vessel]

not stopping until I hit 69, at least

[rotund marsh]

ew

[woven shore]

fucking grim batol

[faint vessel]

I mean I dont want to

[woven shore]

i cant see this piece of shit dungeon anymore

[faint vessel]

but ive literally spent over half the season here

[past bobcat]

You don't miss haste corup exsang lmao

[winged basin]

I have been rocking champ skardyns since wk1, have seen 3 other hero ones drop but everyones needed it lol

[woven shore]

same

swear to god

fuck my life dude

[rotund marsh]

dang it kinda sucks how different the stat prios are for each subclass

[woven shore]

i hate gb

[balmy condor]

My least favorite version of assa in fact

[rotund marsh]

still not sure which to main

[faint vessel]

ive ran 66-67 grims across 4-10s and ive only seen 1 skardyns drop

and that doesnt include heroics where I never saw it, either

[woven shore]

ive seen 10

and someone wnated to trade me on +8

and guesss what

he couldnt

[faint vessel]

weve had groups with 2 peopel to feed it to me and still no dice

[woven shore]

XDDDD

[echo cargo]

I would never wanna go back to season 4 of shadowlands m+, absolute nightmares

[winged basin]

thats why I played ele sham for end of SL lol

sad that I barely played my rogue in DF

[woven shore]

right now keys are nightmares

[winged basin]

cause now that I am back, I don't ever want to leave again

[woven shore]

and farming this fucking crests

[echo cargo]

sin had zero aoe outside of ct

[woven shore]

thats the real bullshit

5 crests on off time

what the fuck blizzard

[vagrant brook]

we did it bois

[faint vessel]

i want to be happy for you, i really do

[winged basin]

momma we made it, im all the way up

[woven shore]

yep

[woven shore]

i still dont get the transmitter thing

what do i have to do to get my juicy 13k

or 16k idk

had it in vault last week from heroic

maybe i fucked myself not takign it

whisp said its the worst or something

XD

lemme check wowhead lmao

i read that

and i said bye

i see this and i want to cry

[rotund marsh]

wow this sounds like it can be insane

does this nuke on bosses?

[slim pebble]

Is this good?

[woven shore]

no

[echo cargo]

worst in slot

[woven shore]

asshole

[woven shore]

i think he really dont know

and now im sad

[echo cargo]

definitely knows

[slim pebble]

Im just fuckin around

[distant plinth]

its shit since its not myth track

[slim pebble]

Been farming this fuckign dungeon all day

[copper monolith]

timed my first 9 key Siege.

Place is aids tho

[woven shore]

pooor you all day

😭

[copper monolith]

I think all im going to do is One 10 a week, Tyranical + Fort is the most aids thing.

[woven shore]

fuck it good night

cant take this anymore

this first season of m+ is aids

tyrannical on every key

thats the worst thing i could imagine

[slate crown]

excuse me but I believe someone played ttb on heroic queen

[copper monolith]

Tyranical is just obnoxious

[wispy epoch]

Easiest dungeon imo besides Mists

[woven shore]

annoying

[copper monolith]

i dont think it's the easiest

i dont think its the hardest

but it is the most annoying

[woven shore]

XD

why

[wispy epoch]

Only annoying thing is teammates inting in it

[woven shore]

the endboss is fucking annoying

but the rest is fun actually

[copper monolith]

Just the mobs abilities are aids, and the last boss is awful

[wispy epoch]

It became super easy after the knockback was removed wym

[woven shore]

wait what

[copper monolith]

yeah the circle debuff?

no more knockback

[woven shore]

when

wtf

[wispy epoch]

Just dispel…

[copper monolith]

but it still does truckloads of damage

like holy

[wispy epoch]

Feint…

[copper monolith]

im fine with it

[woven shore]

yea feint

[copper monolith]

i PREFER to get it

but it deletes other people

[woven shore]

feint 2mil dmg a second

thats how it feels

xD

[wispy epoch]

Healer > DPS > tank (dispel order priority)

[woven shore]

and the best thing is doign siege with this new affix

[copper monolith]

Season 3 of DF was the best Mythic+ by a Parsec

[woven shore]

so you ahve to dispell boss burst

AND xalatah

[copper monolith]

that dungeon rotation

was so fun

Waycrest my favorite

[wispy epoch]

Just have a priest or shaman…

[woven shore]

JUST

if you are homeless JUST buy a house

exactly

[wispy epoch]

You have all the money, just gotta buy it

[woven shore]

sounds like an Add from Nike

[wispy epoch]

Only thing that makes that boss unbearable is suicidal melee that move on you with circles, tank that moves out of melee of tentacle for some reason, or healer that doesn’t dispel immediately

[woven shore]

today i just shadowstepped under the wood on the water

[copper monolith]

well healers have a bit of a rougher time this time around

[woven shore]

i couldnt get out

died

[copper monolith]

cause they gotta do dispel

for the affix

[woven shore]

And then as bonus

[copper monolith]

if you arent priest or shaman its rough

[woven shore]

i res and i got oneshot instantly bc healer dispell the moment i res

XD

and not timed the +10

[wispy epoch]

I wish it didn’t do 1% dmg every second so I could bandage

[copper monolith]

Siege can be a very forgiving key, but i think its also the key that is most easily inted

[marble dawn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[woven shore]

nah

Necrotic Dogfart

is the easiest to int

by far for sure

[copper monolith]

on tyran sure

if you're refering to stich

[wispy epoch]

I hate necrotic bolt!!!

[manic pebble]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[woven shore]

oh god necrotic bolt

probably with frost dk np

[copper monolith]

whats bad about necrotic bolt?

[wispy epoch]

All people have to do is main target the add and just bleed boss

[woven shore]

that it doesnt oneshot you just by channeling on yo

u

lmao

[cinder bone]

normally i would HATE this from TW heroic cache but it was my last piece of champ gear!

[wispy epoch]

🤢

[cinder bone]

and I hadn't upgraded it either, it was like 4/8 champ

[woven shore]

sim it

[cinder bone]

its 100% better than a 604 ilvl cape lol

[woven shore]

lol

im stuck on 606 boots

aah i forget

im not getting the GB boots AND the trinket

havent seen boots once

in like 20

[cinder bone]

im still mad i had to pass on sacbrood for the very rare raid neck

[woven shore]

i got it second week

with slot

lmfao

vault

and the week after

[jaunty matrix]

how bad of an idea is to craft a second 636 dagger for offhand ?

[slim pebble]

Pretty bad

[woven shore]

stupid

not bad

[slim pebble]

Our OH doesn’t do a thing

[jaunty matrix]

[slim pebble]

Except give us stats pretty much

[woven shore]

you did it ?

[jaunty matrix]

no

[woven shore]

good boy

[jaunty matrix]

i'm a smort birb

i ask before i commit heresy

[woven shore]

craft a Longsword

kekw

[copper monolith]

craft a Lionheart executioner

not sure why i tagged you

ignore that

[woven shore]

wtf is that

[wispy epoch]

wonder if my group and i will be able to do m+ 10 carries for people next week

[jaunty matrix]

xxxAllianceViolator9000xxx

[woven shore]

XDDDDDD

[jaunty matrix]

[woven shore]

if they dont int

or you mean FULL carry

[jaunty matrix]

they need to nerf necrotic third boss

[woven shore]

then better get a Frost DK in there with ilvl 628 lol

Frost DK Prot shaman rock

easy Blastermaster

whatever

bye gn

[cinder bone]

necrotic third ez this week at least

[jaunty matrix]

haven't played any dungs yet this week

[cinder bone]

my best score this season is +9 nw from earlier, 2 keyed it

having 3dps doing 1m+ on the fight helps

cant afford to carre even one slacker

[vocal cradle]

when i proc darkest night, do i prior 7 cp to consume it? or does it matter when? I assume prio refreshing rupture?

[cinder bone]

ideally 7cp

[pastel ermine]

wheres the timewalking quest for the hero track piece?

[cinder bone]

dalaran

be ready for your cape

[pastel ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[runic hinge]

I got gloves with leech. I already had hero gloves

[cinder bone]

i had a 604 cape before at least

and i enjoy playing outlaw from time to time so haste vers is good

[errant mauve]

would i be smart to recraft my dagger to 636 and have crafted MH and 626 OH or have 2 626 daggers and craft a belt since mine is still a champ piece

[cinder bone]

636 mh

not even close

[errant mauve]

really... interesting

[cinder bone]

mh dps has the MOST effect on your damage

[balmy condor]

Excuse me we’re talking m+

[nocturne quail]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cunning needle]

@errant mauve upgrading my 636 dagger to 639 was a 0.9% dps increase

MH is worth a lot

[strange python]

Darkest night > everything even rupture

[crisp stream]

Is naowh ui good ? any one that uses it?

[jaunty matrix]

okay

just did first dung with the new affix

its not that bad

definitely better than the cancer of last week

[fallen arch]

Ye sure, you’re not a healer

[dapper cradle]

how does the new affix even work

haven't played this week yet

[hoary apex]

can you evasion stitchflesh morbid fixation?

[winged sun]

Guys

While crit mastery is the best stat i have a crit heavy haste low chest in vault

Could it be a rly good pick or do i pick tier legs?

[autumn rover]

sim

[winged sun]

I can catalyst legs instead

Sim wont do anything in this situation

I just dont know how important mastery is for sin

[rotund marsh]

ok sudden demise is sick

but with fatal intent

that sounds insane

[novel star]

all stats are roughly equal

[runic hinge]

How

[winged sun]

I need an assa theorycrafter

[novel star]

like mastery is good but not over ilvl or tier or something

the lead assassination theorycrafter in question literally crafts items without missives

so

[winged sun]

Could it be viable for a bis gear setup

Or no?

[novel star]

there’s your stat prio

[winged sun]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cerulean nest]

anyone have woke tips for damage reduction in M ovinax? i’m feinting a ton with elusiveness and feint+evasioning the phase transitions. and cloaking the egg breaks whenever I can. but i still feel like a squish lord

[novel star]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[sweet storm]

!embellishment

[novel star]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[runic hinge]

Zeross is cooked.

[novel star]

the outlaw mind

[runic hinge]

He doesn’t know the difference between a mouse or rat.

[winged sun]

?!

[runic hinge]

Tier chest is technically the worst of the 5 so taking chest and cata legs is probably fine

[winged sun]

We’re the best theorycrafters in ravenholdt

[novel star]

u heard me

[winged sun]

Outlaw is the best at minmaxing

[novel star]

[winged sun]

[novel star]

ur really just overcooking here

all u gotta do is sim it

[runic hinge]

I mean if it’s ilvl upgrade it’s gonna be worth

[novel star]

you will never find a better answer by looking at the stats on the item and trying to outsmart the robot

[winged sun]

There are things u cant sim

[novel star]

like what

[winged sun]

For outlaw we had like

10 bis profiles

[novel star]

what r u trying to sim that u cant

[winged sun]

All of them within 0.1%

[rotund marsh]

can shiv only apply the crippling poison?

[runic hinge]

He can’t sim if he has to make another decision in like three weeks about a different chest

[winged sun]

Im wondering if someone has simmed all the possible bis profiles

[runic hinge]

Wait doesn’t that just show you stats don’t matter lol

If you can wear 10 different gear sets and all sim the same

[winged sun]

Not really

Few gear combos yea

[novel star]

don’t think so

bis is pretty fake news

just sim

[runic hinge]

Sim it and report back to us

[winged sun]

Cant sim now

[novel star]

what are you trying to sim that is actually relevant but is not able to be simmed

[winged sun]

Not at home only friday/sarurday

[winged sun]

Brother

I cant sim 100 things now

[novel star]

you mentioned bis lists which aren’t relevant

[runic hinge]

You can live with me it’s okay

[winged sun]

To check the bis profiles later on

[novel star]

so

[winged sun]

I only pick bis items from the vaults

[hollow frost]

bis is only real on tournament realms, its entirely possible to just never see an item drop in the real world, please consult the robot.

[winged sun]

Not the “current” upgrade

[novel star]

but that’s not how it works

unless you actually get every single bis item this tier

which you could easily just not

[runic hinge]

Don’t worry. Zeross will see every item by the end of the tier. 4 sure.

[winged sun]

Me and zac have been bis all season1,2,3 and he was bis all expansion i think

[novel star]

bcz of rng

[slate crown]

you must understand oli

they play a lot

also gear is fake

[novel star]

and also the “bis” changes based on the talents picked and the content being played

[slate crown]

just press buttons

[manic pebble]

you're lucky 😭

[winged sun]

[novel star]

you cannot achieve like 5+ different sets of full bis

[winged sun]

Thats just yap rn

[slate crown]

gear is propaganda to keep us playing

[novel star]

stat prio is not the same in m+ and raid

[winged sun]

We did

[slate crown]

succeed over the propaganda by ignoring gear (and play anyways)

[winged sun]

We play alot

More than avg players

[novel star]

built different i guess

[runic hinge]

Degens

[hollow frost]

stat prio isnt even the same on a pull by pull basis because of different target counts and different prio vs aoe ratios to maximize speed of dungeon, so...

[novel star]

but to answer your question no nobody has simmed multiple different bis sets for u to chase

so you have to cook it yourself

if you want to

which you shouldn’t

but you can

[runic hinge]

All he does is cook

Never leaves the kitchen

[slate crown]

It's always different so it's always the same: just pick random stats

[runic hinge]

Not in a good way

[rotund marsh]

any macros i should make?

[runic hinge]

I got a skardyns. My gearing is over

[runic hinge]

Macro DM, pot and your on use

[spice spire]

Howdy gamers

[novel star]

trinket+pot+DM macro, mouseover bleeds

[runic hinge]

That’s it

[winged sun]

I would but i need to finish army first

[slate crown]

good morning

[novel star]

maybe mouseover step or kick if you want but i don’t like those

[runic hinge]

Meowdy

[winged sun]

I always sim all gear profiles

[rotund marsh]

any tea macros?

[runic hinge]

No

[slate crown]

are you ready to talk about stats and gear profiles with zeross and us?

[novel star]

ye idk that’s just super cooked imo

[runic hinge]

Press it during shiv only if you need energy

[winged sun]

?

[novel star]

ur making yourself weaker while you do content to roll for a chance at an item that could make you stronger 5 items in the future with the rest of the bis set

[winged sun]

I always had more dps than fuu’s list especially when items get changed

[novel star]

just fried

[winged sun]

Since he doesnt rly update them 24/7

I did

[novel star]

but ig it’s preference who cares

[winged sun]

Why mad

[novel star]

if ur that degen u can prob achieve it

[winged sun]

U asked and i answered

[novel star]

not mad just surprised

[winged sun]

Im not a degen im a theorycrafter

Big difference

[rotund marsh]

when is the optimal time to shiv btw

[novel star]

depends

with 2 charges cover entire kb with shiv

with 1 charge cover last 8s

[spice spire]

Ur a bit of both bud

Ily tho

[winged sun]

Man man man

[spice spire]

On god

[winged sun]

Yo diet pepsi they added god of war ragnarok on steam

Im mega excited for it

[spice spire]

Hell yeah brother

I hope you get to enjoy it

Wait zeross gonna go off topic for a bit

[winged sun]

Killed few bosses on give me god of war difficulty

[spice spire]

So is ur military service done and now ur chilling unless deployed?

[winged sun]

O u guys dont go off topic here?

[slate crown]

The "Optimal" time is within 4 seconds of pressing Shiv when you won't cap energy by using it. The easier ( and no I cannot quantify how much worse this is but it's basically trivial and you shouldn't worry about it) way is just press it with shiv if you won't cap energy, and once with your very first kingsbane of the fight holy FUCK I need to sleep

[spice spire]

Oh no

I’m just giving you a heads up

[winged sun]

Im gonna be able to play everday day 1 of november, but i’ll still wake up like, 4-5 am depends on schedule

[spice spire]

I’m legitimately asking - curious

[winged sun]

Everyday

[novel star]

wait did he mean tea

when he said shiv

i’m dumb

[spice spire]

So like you still do ur training but ur chilling rn?

[rotund marsh]

ok ty, assumed tying it to kingsbane was a thing

[slate crown]

no lmah

[winged sun]

During when november hits, i’ll have 5 months left of playing everyday+army

[slate crown]

he said SHIV and I read TEA

[rotund marsh]

wait are you talking about tea?

[winged sun]

Finished the rough training

[spice spire]

Good shit king

[novel star]

le means tea i mean shiv

[spice spire]

Glad for you

[rotund marsh]

lol

[winged sun]

Ty ty

[slate crown]

yeah there I fixed it

[winged sun]

Cant wait to fully come back tho

[spice spire]

Then ur gonna retire from tcing

And be a full time degen eh

[winged sun]

i’ll be invested in playing all rogue specs i think

I’ll start jumping on more alts

[spice spire]

Glad to hear it

[runic hinge]

What is your highest number of flips in a row

Same face

[winged sun]

Flips?

[rain wraith]

13 frontflips on my nelf

[winged sun]

What flip

[runic hinge]

Fatebound

[spice spire]

For fatebound

[winged sun]

No idea i never tracked it

[runic hinge]

Lame

[winged sun]

I only play friday/saturday i dont expect it to be much

[spice spire]