assassination

[bleak spoke]

yeah

tbh

it's like 3%

if you're alive

it's gonna be better than if you're dead

[waxen oyster]

tbh

is there a reason people play sub on kyveza

isnt it just an st boss

[rain wraith]

Is the recrafting bug fixed?

[nimble tartan]

sub is good st

[bleak spoke]

the rogue playing in my guild was on sub and he's going sin this week, i think he's gonna have a bad time tomorrow night

yeh

exhilirating execution

is so good

and vers is so good

[nimble tartan]

with buffs sin is prob better but its close enough doesnt matter much

[waxen oyster]

wait you path into exhil?

in st?

[bleak spoke]

you're literally the last person in raid to die probas

yeah instead of 6% healing

[waxen oyster]

just play outlaw if you wanna be tanky

[fallow marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/ZJ1chdA.png

like

if you put together the absorb shield and the actual healing

it's literally goated

[balmy condor]

Zooming

Looking

Enhance

[zenith cedar]

outlaw is goated again?

[waxen oyster]

damn

he did 1/3 the dk's healing

[bleak spoke]

lowkey apologize for sending screenies for ants for half a decade

[waxen oyster]

they just need to make feint work

on blue blaze lines

[bleak spoke]

you play elu anyway

[waxen oyster]

tbh

[bleak spoke]

it does

it's not the blazes that hurt on mythic really

nether rifts

when you get the qb dot

[waxen oyster]

yeah because elu works on everything

[bleak spoke]

no like

a lot of the dmg in the fight the aoe portion of feint works

[waxen oyster]

do you get cucked on downtime alot

[bleak spoke]

like not on any of the mechanics when you get picked

i mean you just have to press it

you're the only person who the healers don't have to desperately heal

[waxen oyster]

like ig sub is just the middle ground

[bleak spoke]

pretty much

[waxen oyster]

of being tanky without being as uptime reliant

as outlaw is

[bleak spoke]

tbh you're not really too uptime reliant on outlaw in that sense either

lemme check loktark's logs he killed it recently i think

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean i imagine if you get a mechanic as sub

during your cds

[bleak spoke]

melee don't get picked on set 1

[acoustic sail]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak spoke]

or rather

the first set

like

you're done before you get it

basically

i watched a LOT of prog on this boss and did the log policing for my guild

[waxen oyster]

oh

so not as cursed as sikran

[tough canyon]

h

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/PNsvAVT.png wtf GIGACHAD

he feinted 1 time

and evasioned 1 time

in the whole fight

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t need it

Dps loss

[waxen oyster]

also kind of impressive they got kyveza in 52 pulls

[balmy condor]

Easy fight

[bleak spoke]

i guess rain's healers are just the goats

[balmy condor]

Patchwerk

Just don’t die

It’s 1 target

[waxen oyster]

Their RL

[bleak spoke]

every other rogue has like 10+ casts of feint

[balmy condor]

How hard could it be

[waxen oyster]

is the shaman

iirc

[balmy condor]

[bleak spoke]

who's killed the boss

[balmy condor]

It’s just a purple training dummy

[waxen oyster]

they played double outlaw on it surprisingly too

[worldly sail]

outlaw just stack vers and thats your defensive

[hot fulcrum]

Does anyone killed Queen with pugs in hc?

[bleak spoke]

well if you have loktark raiding with you you're playing at least 1 outlaw rogue

no matter what

[waxen oyster]

The other guy multispcs

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/LYB9TIe.png but i mean like

[waxen oyster]

im pre sure

[bleak spoke]

the chess speaks for itself

[spice spire]

Loktark confirmed built differently

[waxen oyster]

We're at the point

even Guy doesnt play outlaw

for endbosses

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/aQSncB8.png i mean i guess you're really tanky if you just dodge every blaze that isn't literally on you

man he's so good

he's been so good for so long

man

this is fucking so impressive

[true hearth]

hey guys! for m+ only with enchant on weapons, Authority of the Depths or Radiant power?

[spice spire]

Radiant

[spice spire]

Guy loves assassination wdym

Mans never said a bad thing about it in his life

Do not check his Twitter!

[royal lantern]

ye like

guy is not a assa hater

[bleak spoke]

:omeg

[waxen oyster]

He's probably the best one that only plays that spec

[bleak spoke]

always has been the best raider on outlaw rogue

[royal lantern]

i mean, even that is mostly just twitter talk tbh

[silk bane]

guys only a dust hater

[royal lantern]

everyone that is reasonable is a dust hater

[bleak spoke]

legitimately

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

Nukkz is an absolute freak at sub

though

[spice spire]

Nah I think guy legitimately hates sub

[waxen oyster]

surprised he resubbed

[mint kindle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[silk bane]

I think so too. he perma cries whenever sub isnt a flat line braindead gb spam spec

[spice spire]

Ye

As god intended

[bleak spoke]

the variation of sub that guy liked was shadowstrike top dam

taht's not

[loud girder]

depth or power for m+

[spice spire]

Power

[silk bane]

he liked aberus sub

wym

[spice spire]

Answered above too

[bleak spoke]

that's like saying you only liked expedient sin

[strong wing]

Any1 having issues w whispyr afenar edit not showing FOK proc?

[silk bane]

that was the worst sub has ever been

[bleak spoke]

[spice spire]

Clear the witnesses?

[strong wing]

yea

sorry

[royal lantern]

tbf, the "sub circle" during DF was kinda annoying with the same "sub is tuned kinda good but gets ignored, and everything else around it gets nerfed, and when sub is strong it gets ignored aswell cus almost nobody plays it" over and over again

[spice spire]

Does it even? I don’t think so

[waxen oyster]

oh ogod sepulcher

[spice spire]

It’s one of the few procs I can track

[bleak spoke]

@strong wing use mine https://wago.io/oiX-155HZ

[spice spire]

You proc dn

[bleak spoke]

[spice spire]

And then you have ctw

[quiet oar]

This is kinda true

[spice spire]

Whispyr edit subbeam remix

Is diabolical

[waxen oyster]

@bleak spoke Actually i guess sub's not that popular on kyveza

[quiet oar]

Internet ruined me, i legit thought you made a deez nuts joke

[bleak spoke]

exile and kush both played sin in the end

but part of that was

[waxen oyster]

didnt exile play sin on court too

[spice spire]

I’m mean

Sometimes

[bleak spoke]

because they were triggering the bug

[strong wing]

it turned of randomly?

[bleak spoke]

and didn't want to

the evis bug

[spice spire]

But not when answering questions

[bleak spoke]

where it was doing way way more than it should have

[waxen oyster]

is that evis bug still ingame

[quiet oar]

Loktark asolute chad

[bleak spoke]

have not heard anyone talk about it in a while

[waxen oyster]

yeah lowkey think people get the wrong impression of sub

because of that bug

and turning on streams

[quiet oar]

Ye i know but, because of the Internet my first thought Was deez nuts and the 5 was ohhh darkest night

[bleak spoke]

i think sub single needs a bit of love tbh

but like

[strong wing]

Wait you dont use fan of knives if running vicious venoms?

[bleak spoke]

the thing is the way it does its dmg and how fast it is and the irregular timer

makes it perform on prog

like

[waxen oyster]

is that evis bug fixed

idr

[bleak spoke]

i don't know

[waxen oyster]

hold on

why tf is there a guile charm wa

[bleak spoke]

at least the rogues in my guild (and me when i play) haven't managed to trigger it again

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

are you talented into vicious venoms

[strong wing]

ye i am

[balmy condor]

then you're not supposed to fok

wa working fine

[strong wing]

Oh kk thanks, didnt know that

[cinder quartz]

might be late on this but if you have VV talented it wont show, because you shouldn't consume proc with VV

oh ofc

thanks whispyr

[strong wing]

thankssss

[bleak spoke]

but what if i want to gamble on landing on my ER point

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/gambling-problem-danny-de-vito-gif-15996554

[bleak spoke]

as a certified vv hater like

[strong wing]

its not the first time i use poisoned knife to land on a ER point

xD

[bleak spoke]

me liking CTW is also part of it yeah

like i think CTW is great

it took the idea of HB and made it not dog

[waxen oyster]

honestly

[balmy condor]

how do you like ctw but not vv

demon

[waxen oyster]

using ctw to go from 6 to 7 to consume DN

is nice

[bleak spoke]

i like 3 point garrotes from stealth i'm a bfa baby remember whispyr

[cinder quartz]

whispyr how cursed is 1/2 VV

[bleak spoke]

[balmy condor]

it's fine

[waxen oyster]

tbh 3pt garrote is so ingrained now

[bleak spoke]

is that imp garrote + 1/2 vv

like when i vanish and garrote i expect 3 combo points

and I'm gonna do it

[cinder quartz]

i tried rotation of no VV with imp poison and twist the knife(? the envenom duration one) i don't think it's possible to run out of energy

[amber bolt]

hey ive been having some issues with the new affix Xal'atath's Bargain: Devour I have been trying to use cloak to help and use crimson vial to help with the healing, is there some talent maybe that could help out more? I was thinking of running wound poison to mitigate the healing but not sure how worth that is, it seem more worth it to avoid the healing in general

[bleak spoke]

and then i find out the hard way i'm playing VV

[bleak spoke]

it's a healer affix

like

[waxen oyster]

nah you dont use wound poison

[balmy condor]

never run wound on assa

[waxen oyster]

that's banned

[bleak spoke]

it really really sin't your job, all dispels work

[waxen oyster]

outlaw can probs play it

[bleak spoke]

like

[waxen oyster]

with minimal loss

tbf

[bleak spoke]

yeah

but then you're outlaw

[fast mural]

Do i need to drop more haste for M+ ?

[balmy condor]

haste good in single target, bad in aoe

[waxen oyster]

wdym you dont like losing to the tank because you're target capped?

[quiet oar]

Sim it

[waxen oyster]

in any real key level

[balmy condor]

you gotta make that choice for yourself

[bleak spoke]

i think low haste in key is fucking suffering on bosses

[amber bolt]

sounds good thanks 🙂

[bleak spoke]

especially since keys are both fort and tyran now

like

absolutely SUFFERING

[worthy laurel]

So now that they fixed bubbling wax, is the whetstone still BIS consumable?

[waxen oyster]

its wild to me how much people hard fixate

on crit mast

for sin

[quiet oar]

Idk

[bleak spoke]

like

tbh imo

our AOE does not need

[balmy condor]

I mean sub is vers/mast hard fixate right

so I guess like

[bleak spoke]

whatever gain you're gonna get

kinda

[waxen oyster]

thats because sub is a bad designed spec

[balmy condor]

well yeah

but people don't think

[waxen oyster]

and then

let's not talk about outlaw's love affair

[balmy condor]

they just see guide and one must be true so other must be true

[waxen oyster]

with versa

[quiet oar]

Just Stack haste mastery and vers

[bleak spoke]

vers prio is a sign that your spec is scuffed imo

unfortunately

[quiet oar]

And crit when its needed

[bleak spoke]

it has the side effect of being good in high key

[worthy laurel]

Isn't always the answer for the stat you need most is to sim yourself and see what items are upgrades?

[quiet oar]

Easy as thst

[waxen oyster]

is there a vers prio spec

[quiet oar]

Just crit

[waxen oyster]

that isnt scuffed

[bleak spoke]

probably some tank

[waxen oyster]

i remember fr reading an antorus lock guide that said

[fair wharf]

caustic or internal bleeding on ulgrax ?

[waxen oyster]

"vers: if your spec likes this there's probably something wrong with it's design"

[bleak spoke]

on ulgrax? spatter's going to do more damage

not to the boss

but like

[worthy laurel]

I treat that fight as single target. None of the adds survive long enough for sin to do anything.

[quiet oar]

Outlaw, after the haste tax

[bleak spoke]

i don't think boss dmg is a tight check on the first boss in the raid

[waxen oyster]

ok the haste tax

[bleak spoke]

[waxen oyster]

is fucking stupid

it literally adds nothing

[quiet oar]

Yes

[cinder quartz]

ulgrax just show up and dont die

[quiet oar]

Cant have handle it worse

Than haste tax

[bleak spoke]

tbh you can die and probably be okay still

[haughty lantern]

question, do we wax on mainhand or offhand? or does it not matter

[wraith scarab]

Hey folks. Is it better to use raidbot for simming or use SimulationCraft the program? Or do both show different things?

[waxen oyster]

i wish i got hero siphon from bt timewalking though

[bleak spoke]

in fact most of your raid can die on ulgrax and be okay

[quiet oar]

I got it

And playing sin

[cinder quartz]

they're the same. raidbots runs off simc

[quiet oar]

Because its better

[wraith scarab]

Oh! Sweet tits, thanks.

[bleak spoke]

i mean the real prize in black temple timewalking

we don't talk about

the real prize

[waxen oyster]

which is?

[cinder quartz]

the threat trinket duh

[bleak spoke]

shard of azzinoth still scales off main stat 🙂

[waxen oyster]

isnt it poop

[quiet oar]

I doubt its good

[waxen oyster]

i got the weird sun king mace from my box

you sometimes generate energy on melee swings

it also has no icd and triggers off bladeflurry hits

so its actually unhinged in extended flurry time

[bleak spoke]

it definitely isn't as good as a sylv dagger or anything

[waxen oyster]

nah doubt they'll ever make something as good as eon for us

ever again

[bleak spoke]

it's definitely not always been that good for multiple expacs

[worthy laurel]

You can't even sim bubbling wax 😦

[balmy condor]

you can

just has to be in advanced

[bleak spoke]

there definitely aren't chinese rogues running 20 alts farming that and failing to get it because the rate is literally 0.2% or something

i definitely haven't done every single bt timewalking every tier i've played for 5 years

[waxen oyster]

never seen it drop

[bleak spoke]

there have been logs

over the years

one in uldir, one in sanctum, none in dflight that i know of

none this expac yet

[waxen oyster]

can you filter by the item

[bleak spoke]

no

[crude sequoia]

ur fellow grey parser reporting in

my brain is growing

[bleak spoke]

i've had my boy from kihra's guild ask for me

[tepid lichen]

nice parses

[bleak spoke]

the answer is "we are not crashing the database so you can look up a log we should probably invalidate anyway"

the one from uldir was actually invalidated

[waxen oyster]

why was it invalidated

for other abuse?

[bleak spoke]

the dagger

that's how we found out about it

to begin with

[waxen oyster]

the eon bug?

[bleak spoke]

no

like the shard of azzinoth add that spawns

did 11.5% of the rogue's dmg

[waxen oyster]

wait that's grounds for it to be invalidated?

wtf

[bleak spoke]

cast sequences were correct, uptimes were good, etc, was normal azerite, some shrouded pieces + exsang, whcih was standard for that tier

it was a vectis log

iirc

the one in sanctum i remember less, other than that it did the same amount as sylv dagger

[waxen oyster]

i feel like every BT timewalking

there is 1-2 people that come in and ask if the dagger is good

[bleak spoke]

like it was literally within 10 dps of it

or something

i rememeber being so mad

[waxen oyster]

solo told me the sun king mace is literally

[bleak spoke]

because i was hoping

[waxen oyster]

not implemented on sims

[bleak spoke]

that it wouldn't be good anymore

fucking

save me

from this animal i have become

i've reported it so many times

btw

[waxen oyster]

wasnt the only downside of shard

[bleak spoke]

on different ptrs and stuff

[waxen oyster]

it had no secondaries

[frigid pilot]

so grim batol trinket doesnt exist right?

ive been runnin dat shit for 3 weeks

[bleak spoke]

i mean neither did sylv dagg

[waxen oyster]

true

i never got a 2nd mythic one

despite being the only rogue

my friend's guild had 2 go for tmog

[bleak spoke]

i still have it in my bank, i keep all the like memorabilia from different tiers

[waxen oyster]

same

[bleak spoke]

like my razor coral's in the bank, my diver's folly etc

[winged quail]

Got HC track Skaradin from vault said fk it skip the farm

[bleak spoke]

and also

[waxen oyster]

but im mentally ill and have 3 draught of souls

in my bank

and 3 arcanos

[bleak spoke]

the item that i personally got nerfed 🙂

[waxen oyster]

folly?

[bleak spoke]

you ever uh

you ever have the urge

to do

[waxen oyster]

do you mean the

early s1

[bleak spoke]

ICC heroic

[waxen oyster]

apply force multi

tech

oh did you get summoned

into raid with a proc

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/5squ6gk.png

the tooltip on this

used to be

6% of your dmg

was echoed as aoe shadow dmg

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i know

[bleak spoke]

I wore that into a wf tol dagor

in my off hand

🙂

[waxen oyster]

yeah the beach pull tech

with fok spam

[bleak spoke]

the aoe shadow dmg flurried by the way

[waxen oyster]

oh as outlaw

[bleak spoke]

yes

[waxen oyster]

some degens played double folly sin

[bleak spoke]

we did all the calcs to see if i would survive different things with the lower stam

[waxen oyster]

for first beach pull

[bleak spoke]

yeah

i mean that wasn't even the craziest folly tech in tol

is kaneki in here

he found the cannon tech

you get a proc

you do the cannons before 3rd boss

hook in

and sac her out

12% of her hp in a 28

in first auto

you have to be very good

and play with a mage with ring of frost obviously

cuz you have 12 seconds

to do the cannons

i fucking hate tol dagor btw, not as much as siege but like, i think i would have been equally mad if they brought it back

i'm sure it's coming down the line, given necrotic wake is here

[waxen oyster]

[rigid charm]

next season spires of asc, sanguine depths, tol dagor, violet hold

[waxen oyster]

spot what's wrong with this weapon

[bleak spoke]

hmm

i wonder if it's literally combat potency

wait

can you use mace

on

HAHAHHAHAAHA

[haughty lantern]

explain

i dont get it

[waxen oyster]

well

it triggers off individual flurry hits

literally does more during flurry like alot more

[bleak spoke]

no way

[coral ibex]

that rod proc'd off individual fok hits back in the day

it was insane

[waxen oyster]

on big pulls it was giving me as much energy

[haughty lantern]

so it turns flurry into permanent thistle tea?

[waxen oyster]

as fatal flourish

[bleak spoke]

wait

is that yours

you know what's funny

we were talking about what it would take

to wear not a dagger

as sub

in the offhand

[waxen oyster]

i saw a log

[bleak spoke]

hAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAA

NO FUCKING WAY

[slim pebble]

Why are we being overtaken rn

[waxen oyster]

that's a 10min ulg

[undone pollen]

ran into a situation. I have skardyn's grace, dead-eye spyglass, and Mad queen's Mandate. Simulation is saying the 2 on use trinkets give the best damage. How do i use 2 on use trinkets effectively

[faint vessel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
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[bleak spoke]

outlaw's not even the play with it

you go sub

and you can fill your globals

[proven jasper]

No chance its actually good on sub

[waxen oyster]

does sub even have

energy problems

[proven jasper]

[bleak spoke]

yes LOL

i wonder how many more dances you can get

[proven jasper]

well you’re still locked behind sod charges

[waxen oyster]

it didnt proc alot on st

[molten cosmos]

Yo where can I check the tru buff apport of PI on every spec? Bloodmallet or is it cursed?

[slim pebble]

Grace during Deathmark

[bleak spoke]

play dark brew and dance twice as often i'm sure you'll be okay

[undone pollen]

and then just mandate shortly after each time?

[slim pebble]

Yes

[undone pollen]

ty

[waxen oyster]

Start of a pull, just 1 target

adds

[bleak spoke]

dawg that's 40 energy in one global of time

https://i.imgur.com/xhWyRYS.png

like

oh

30

mb

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it was during flurry on the beetles

iirc

[bleak spoke]

if it procs off ss

for sub

[waxen oyster]

might

need to test

[bleak spoke]

didn't someone say it used to proc off every fok tick

like just 5 mins ago

[waxen oyster]

yeah it was bis in classic

iirc

[bleak spoke]

i'm just gonna put it out there btw

[waxen oyster]

ermm tbc

[bleak spoke]

you can still

swap weapons in raid

🙂

[waxen oyster]

doesnt that only apply

to non cantrips

[arctic tusk]

the none dust shuriekn nado build feels so wrong

[bleak spoke]

yeah cuz 1:30 flag is cursed

it's very strange

[waxen oyster]

also doesnt sub nowadays press strike due to trickster

unless out of dance

[bleak spoke]

this could be complicated to play right

like if you're using it for energy intake

[waxen oyster]

swap your offhand whenever you're not spamming storm?

[bleak spoke]

you still do press ss out of dance rn

even in trickster

[fading stump]

melee range wa? any gamer?

[bleak spoke]

but the obvious solution is don't play trickster

if you have the energy intake to constantly pop marks

i mean ds sims the same or better in single

[waxen oyster]

i remember i tried it as in a key as pirate once and uhh

on short packs sometimes it would give more energy than flourish

on st it basically didnt do much

[deep breach]

4 set being fixed feels so nice. 🥺

[bleak spoke]

hmm, the problem is you're not natrually starved enough on outlaw

unless there's a way you can get more dmg

[waxen oyster]

thats also a thing

[bleak spoke]

and starve yourself

some more

if you can drop something

[waxen oyster]

on aoe you wont really ever be starved

[bleak spoke]

the problem with swapping weapons in raid is like

you go on the global

so i can't see how this could ever work for sin

sadly

[waxen oyster]

lmao true

its also cursed how it has

no stam

[bleak spoke]

there is no dmg on the outlaw tree

that you'r enot already taking

this is so stupid

MADGE

wait we drop tea we drop tea

WE COLD BLOOD

drop tea drop vigor

this is not worth it

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure

you dont play tea already in the keys build as that spec

[bleak spoke]

yeah so it'd only be 1 point of lethality and cb if you drop vigor entirely

which

i mean

actually is it worse than offhand ilevel etc

[thorn fjord]

You don’t

[midnight atlas]

why do i sometimes get 2cp from serrated bone spike in opener single target?

can it crit?

[thorn fjord]

Shhh

And no

Lmao

[bleak spoke]

the cast can yeah

[west crown]

Top dps for heroic and mythic

[novel thunder]

is 3rd crafted item basically if need/preference?

[bleak spoke]

surely we won't have an unplayably bad bug when they change echoing and fall through the floor

SURELY

[west crown]

SURELY

[waxen oyster]

yeah not sure

[bleak spoke]

to be fair like lethality pretty good talent

[waxen oyster]

i do find it funny since usually one person asks if shard is good

and they typically say no

Never seen it drop in a group ever tbh

[cinder quartz]

yeah. aim for highest stat budget slots

[novel thunder]

what about the embellsments, if already nerubian is done, 80% life ones? might not matter i guess since you can have 2

[proven jasper]

Skarmorak shard?

or whatever its called

[waxen oyster]

azzinoth

[proven jasper]

oh yeah

That thing is dog isnt it

[waxen oyster]

i mean @bleak spoke says chinese guilds fr farmed that thing

[normal mist]

guys the game is testing me

[proven jasper]

[proven jasper]

You know its pirate time

[clever sapphire]

would take for disenchant spec

[normal mist]

i can desi the normal mode weapon

since i have both

[fringe socket]

Will deathmark duplicate any new applied bleeds, or only active bleeds?

[thorn fjord]

it will

[fringe socket]

YAHOOOOOOOOOOO

[runic hinge]

I’d try it

[gentle aurora]

Fellow key enjoyers - does anyone else find on Necro 10+ that Rotspews Spew Disease is a one hit even through Feint? Like are we meant to Vanish or Cloak that? I have a pally friend who can survive it with no damage reduction, so I assume it's a physical spell? it feels so bad being targetted by it and just one hit (this is the last mob he spawns on the right before the boss fight)

[fallen arch]

Save cloak for it

And run elusiveness

[gentle aurora]

I play Elusiveness

[fallen arch]

So feint mitigates enough

[gentle aurora]

so it's cloak or nothing?

Feint does not mitigate enough

[fallen arch]

Ask for an external? Idk man

Ilvl issue?

[gentle aurora]

sorry - just looking for tips, new to class

[low kernel]

Can also use evasion on spew

[gentle aurora]

maybe, i'm 623

[fallen arch]

No thatss way enough

But ye cloak helps too

[gentle aurora]

I'll try save evasion or cloak - would be super handy to know which one works for sure - thanks ppl

[fallen arch]

Both work

[crisp pine]

Evasion works always
for cloak you gotta press it right before the cast hits

[fallen arch]

Cloak does for 100% of the dmg

[crisp pine]

only the ~first second of cloak gives you full immunity

[gentle aurora]

ah I see - okok, now I know, I'll save them both!

[blazing pumice]

it has a 1s cast time, it doesn't matter when you cloak for it kek

[dim yacht]

idk, ive cloaked and died

[crisp pine]

If you cloak too early, it goes through

[blazing pumice]

he is talking about third boss

not first

[fallen arch]

Is that true?

[gentle aurora]

i'm talking about add before 3rd boss yes

Rotspew

[dim yacht]

oh sorry

mb

[fallen arch]

Ye

[dim yacht]

does feint work on it

[fallen arch]

Ye that thing hits like an absolute truck

[dim yacht]

yeah fr

even on 11 that near one shots me

[gentle aurora]

feint doesn't stop him killing you (on a +11 I just did) but I noticed this from +10 onwards

[dim yacht]

does feint just not work?

[gentle aurora]

no

[spice spire]

Yeah

[dim yacht]

sad

[spice spire]

First second of cloak

Is super immunity

This sounds super made up

But it’s a real thing

[dim yacht]

also, has anyone got the trinket from ulduar, the wrathstone?

heard its pretty good

[spice spire]

A few have here

It’s very good

Comparable to skardyns

[fallen arch]

Really

[dim yacht]

heard for feral heroic is better than myth skar

[gentle aurora]

XD yes I only learnt this the other day, from this sub actually

[dim yacht]

not sure how thatd be for us

i have 626 skar atm

[spice spire]

Yes pt2

[fallen arch]

Ok big dog

[spice spire]

But yeah that’s like a second option

[fallen arch]

Better start going Ulduar

[spice spire]

Evasion the first

And if he hits you 3 times it wasn’t meant to be

[fallen arch]

Then you die in style

[errant mauve]

whats a good addon for mists maze and the mistcaller boss guessing game

[bleak spoke]

super cloak is crazy

[gentle aurora]

don't tell blizz

[cerulean walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[dim yacht]

then you just cry

[weak hemlock]

Hi, anyone could help me out if the sim options below are ok for Assa Rogue?

[bleak spoke]

they know they're probably too scared to touch it

[dim yacht]

or hope for a healer external save

[nocturne quail]

Are we low gain from aug ?

[surreal aurora]

How are people actually feeling about deathstalker and assasination rogue in generel? Feels like there is constantly a dot that keeps from stealthing = not being able to put improved garrote or do AOE, ninjapulls and other situations so you can't ambush and will need to use vanish to proc it or just have to deal with not being able to proc heroic talent.

Have I just beome a noob to the class or any suggestions?

[bleak spoke]

also, in case ppl didn't know, you vanish twice when you vanish btw

[spice spire]

First boss in Necro targeting the rogue 4 times in a row

[bleak spoke]

when the vanish buff expires

you'll drop threat again

so if you round a corner

even if a mob has true sight

[cerulean walrus]

Do you have chosen death

[bleak spoke]

and you click off the buff

[cerulean walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[bleak spoke]

you will drop combat with it

etc

[spice spire]

Step ambush

[nocturne quail]

is aug bad for sin rogue

[spice spire]

Is your best friend

[nocturne quail]

i need to know

[spice spire]

No

[bleak spoke]

aug is pretty good for sin

[cerulean walrus]

What are you doing step bush?

[bleak spoke]

you're on same timer you burst big

[nocturne quail]

i stg i do basically same dam with aug

[dim yacht]

there are def some dungeons where it can be a pain. i cant comment on the whole pug thing, i cant say i have those issues in my pugs. there are some places where for some reason it doesnt proc

[slim pebble]

Sounds like a skrill issue big dog

[dim yacht]

and ofc theres bosses/trash that dont technically die

[bleak spoke]

even the most rat aug will give you 10% versa from shifting sands

[nocturne quail]

i mean my dam aight, timing some 12's now

[crisp pine]

I don't want my sands shifted tho

[dim yacht]

im yet to meet more than one good aug in my keys

[bleak spoke]

me neither

[surreal aurora]

Yeah chain pulling is a bitch. Are there even any other classes which benefits from NOT chain pulling?

[spice spire]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[royal lantern]

assa loves chainpulls dog

[cerulean walrus]

Oh no here we go again

[royal lantern]

lol

[nocturne quail]

but i argue with my tank bc he only want aug and its usually a group dps loss

[dim yacht]

at the end of the day, you have to understand that when it comes to chain pulling, its saving time. yeah that

[slim pebble]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[royal lantern]

1 of the specs that has the most benefits from chainpulls

[spice spire]

Hadn’t had to use that

[cerulean walrus]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[spice spire]

In a few hours

[cerulean walrus]

A NEW RECORD QUAKE

WE DID IT

[dim yacht]

the only time i get mad at chain pulls is when its one mob at like 2%

[stable cove]

Calling dadddddy whispr

[dim yacht]

and im just like...bruh why

[bleak spoke]

wait your tank is the one who doesn't want aug?

[stable cove]

daddy whisprrrr where r u

[bleak spoke]

your tank, who's getting blistering scales?

[cerulean walrus]

I wonder if we’ll ever go a day without someone gaslighting about Restealths

[bleak spoke]

[cerulean walrus]

Or just being bad

[nocturne quail]

no no he want always

[royal lantern]

thats no chainpull

thats single pack pulling from a stupid tank, cus nobody wants that lol

[bleak spoke]

oh you want to drop aug

and he doesn't

[nocturne quail]

but we usually pug one and do less dam as a group

[spice spire]

Yeah those situations are legit ints

[bleak spoke]

do you have a shaman

[stable cove]

guys guys

[bleak spoke]

get a shaman

[nocturne quail]

idrc it just seem like we not getting a lot more dam

[bleak spoke]

[nocturne quail]

we have shaman

[bleak spoke]

what's the comp

[nocturne quail]

and so iw as wondering

[bleak spoke]

also, picrelated: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377670614959259648/1162172258647810049/F8LYVt6bUAABGKa.jpg?ex=6707bc82&is=67066b02&hm=8b5244971f0fa892b41499b63ca9750995aa4172c70f89151c359161056a9d36&

[crisp pine]

whenever the tank drags the 2% mob to another pack
I just kill it and press stealth
worst case kidney the fucker
I swear to god I basically never have any problems with that

[stable cove]

are parses we get now compared to logs b4 the buffs and are therefore scewed?? or are the logs adjusted to be comparable across buffs/nerfs

[dim yacht]

@surreal aurora another important thing to understand regarding chain pulls. combat with each pack is tracked seperately. what this means is if tank chain pulls into a new pack, but the mobs youre in combat with already die before they or you get to next pack, you will drop combat and can restealth

[nocturne quail]

usually prot pal, ( i know gross but he nice af) r sham, sin rogue, and then some x dps and aug

sometimes ret pal sometimes mage

dk etc

[bleak spoke]

shoutout to tanks that make you hang back and throw knives desperately in the distance while you complain on vc

[nocturne quail]

is there any interacting i should know about between aug and sin, i literally dont know what they do

[bleak spoke]

cuz they insist on chaining with 2% hp on one mob

[dim yacht]

no, just do damage

[bleak spoke]

i swear i always tell my tanks

[woven shore]

can someone explain why im not getting into grim batol +7 ?

[bleak spoke]

if you're gonna chain

just fucking do it pussy

[royal lantern]

not really

itss the augs job to track your stuff

[bleak spoke]

like

[surreal aurora]

I get that. But the AOE dotting only comes from stealthing > so if they leave 10 % mob for you to kill alone before going to the next one. Isn't that a lot of time wasted?

[dim yacht]

cause theres 500 other dps in q

[weak hemlock]

What options should I use when simming my character?

[crisp pine]

cause there are 15 billion people applying to the same key

[nocturne quail]

yeah i will continue to cope that the augs we get are bad

[balmy condor]

yes but you should always sim on latest and not weekly

[royal lantern]

cus more or less every single class has their best trinket in that dungeon, so you have 20000000people applying

[woven shore]

they can choke on my Waterpipe

[bleak spoke]

don't half ass it either let me give you 15% dr and silence to gather, or give me 16-32% agility

[dim yacht]

depends, theres a lot to think about. at 10% it prob wont die in time anyway

[woven shore]

how to i control myself of not jumping out the window trying to get in?

[royal lantern]

i mean, 95% ARE really fucking bad

do a dungeon, if you see the aug using breath of eons on a pack that is at 30% hp, you know that you play with 4 man

and that shit is REALLY fucking common

[dim yacht]

dont quote me on this, but i think if you can kill it before it reaches the next pack, its probably worth it for the restealth

depending on size of next pack of course

[royal lantern]

aug is the pinnacle passanger spec

[nocturne quail]

interesting

[cerulean walrus]

All these people using IC as a crutch istg

Oh nyooooo I have to change targets

[bleak spoke]

your aug scales with how good the aug is and how good everyone else is

very very very much so

[nocturne quail]

i know one good aug at least and his bombardment dam always gapping other augs

[cerulean walrus]

[bleak spoke]

brother i literally just want iron wire

that's what really fucking matters

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah we’ll have you considered

Vanishing

[waxen oyster]

get more gear

[cerulean walrus]

[waxen oyster]

there's like 10000000 dps in the queue

[royal lantern]

mate, what are you guys playing where your tanks do bad chainpulls into packs where the aoe silence is important AND you dont have vanish up

[surreal aurora]

Just feels clunky. Been playing assasination rogue for two expansions and this is the first time it has been dreadful. Without a trace is a good suggestion though. What tree would be swapped for it?

echoing, tea or deeper strag?

[woven shore]

can i buy someones grim batol key +7 up here

[bleak spoke]

and then your meld doesn't work because stonevault pack drops a totem

[royal lantern]

like, why is this apperantly so common according to some people, espacially when most dungeons have 2-3 interupt heavy packs

[woven shore]

i pay 50k gold each run

[bleak spoke]

fucking very cool

[dim yacht]

trace is terrible and i would not recommend

[cerulean walrus]

MELD

[slim pebble]

I got kicked out of a GB group because I asked there were any Grace traders

[woven shore]

150k gold for trinket trade

[cerulean walrus]

More like Mald

[bleak spoke]

@royal lantern the dmg reduction from iron wire is what i want

[royal lantern]

you dont play without a trace

that is legit inting your group

[cerulean walrus]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[cerulean walrus]

Read

Please

[bleak spoke]

15% on debuff application is pretty exotic it barely has diminishing returns with most

like

[royal lantern]

then read the first half of what i wrote as a reply

[nocturne quail]

bro if these poopers want to play without a trace let em

[dim yacht]

if you REALLY want to make it less horrid, you could maybe drop lethality and resounding clarity, and then take 1 in subterfuge. but its hella not worth it

it would however smoothen out the issues youre having

[waxen oyster]

i mean

if your tank isnt boosted

[bleak spoke]

vdh before they buffed their mastery by 20% really

[waxen oyster]

he wont chain with 2% on one mob

[slim pebble]

Can we send people to the shadow realm that complain about stealth in dungeons?

[royal lantern]

and that guy just runs ahead and pulls stuff instead of killing a group and letting people go for the next one fresh, which is what you are doing in 90% of keys anyway?

[dim yacht]

my tank calls me needy 😦

[bleak spoke]

well, not after a lot of shouting

he doesn't do it anymore

in fact he's learned to value my restealths more than i do someimtes

where i'm like please go get more

and he's like "uh do yo uhave vanish up"

[cerulean walrus]

Holy based

Banish these cretins

[bleak spoke]

but really i'm just trying to send kb into something chonky

[royal lantern]

like, sorry but

i really wanna know what you guys play where you apperantly have tanks that die the second you cant engage from stealth, but at the same time always rush ahead and dont let you stealth, and you dont have vanish ever

sure

i gues

[surreal aurora]

You never think its an annoying mechanic? Kinda miss having carnage not being passive

[runic hinge]

Heroics

[waxen oyster]

i mean i dont even care unless the tank does sub 10% on one mob chains

then im just passive aggressive in chat

until he realizes

[runic hinge]

Carnage is passive now

[royal lantern]

???

carnage is passive rn, it was a active before that lol

[cerulean walrus]

Carnage is literally passive

[bleak spoke]

sometimes people are bad at kicking

and you can prevent forest fires

[dim yacht]

you guys are all misreading what he said

[waxen oyster]

carnage is passive

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah well if you’re bad at kicking why the fuck are you in a 12 or some shit

[dim yacht]

hes saying he misses when it wasnt passive

[bleak spoke]

sometimes you pugged a healer

lots of reasons

sometimes you just fought a boss and you used it for dmg

[surreal aurora]

WOwowowo. I miss it being a NOT passive. Not having to use it from stealth

[bleak spoke]

many such cases

[surreal aurora]

active

[cerulean walrus]

That shit was worse

[surreal aurora]

wording like a moron though

[cerulean walrus]

100% worse

[bleak spoke]

1000% worse

[royal lantern]

oh ye

that cant exists with assa now, when it actually has aoe dmg

the active IC existed cus it was the ONLY THING assa had for aoe

Now that isnt the case and would be ridicolous broken

[cerulean walrus]

10000% worse, even

[mystic hornet]

i came here to ask the same question

[rose wharf]

i don't mind constant pulling but some tanks in lower keys pull 1 Pack, and at 70% they decide they need more and pull the next packt und because mobs have less health everything is Dead before you are able to spread your ruptures.
Thats kinda annoying.

[waxen oyster]

Active IC existed in a season

where sub and outlaw were just better

tbh

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[cerulean walrus]

True

[dim yacht]

thats really just a low key thing, shit doesnt die that fast in higher keys

[bleak spoke]

it was kind of fun to mess with

but like idk

[slim pebble]

Active IC with sin RN would get us nerfed in a day

[dim yacht]

sin just doesnt have a good time in low keys with caustic

[bleak spoke]

tbh i miss dance more than anything

[cerulean walrus]

That’s where Sudden Meme comes into play

[royal lantern]

tbh

if you do dungeons where stuff dies when the tank pulls more when they are at 70%(!!!!!) and you cant dot up, it doesnt matter anyway cus stuff explodes in 3 GCD's

[spice spire]

I never played with dance

[bleak spoke]

there's nothing that gets your heart pumping as much as distracting and sapping a pat with dance

don't fuck it up 🙂

don't fuck it up

don't fuck it up

[waxen oyster]

i mean

[bleak spoke]

[waxen oyster]

people play a multidot spec

[rose wharf]

yeah it's too slow

[waxen oyster]

then complain when they have to multidot

its a weird sight

[royal lantern]

^

[bleak spoke]

man also what is with blizzard randomly making shit not distractable this tier

[cerulean walrus]

My distract techs always get fucked by some bozo

[bleak spoke]

actually fucking

disgusting

[slim pebble]

I’ll dance with you

[surreal aurora]

True. Just miss not having to relay on stealth for AOE dotting. Or from what I can gather here im just a noob 😄

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[bleak spoke]

another fun tip btw, when you distract a mob, its visibility even if it has truesight is lowered to 1 yd directly behind it

[waxen oyster]

You can do it without stealth

[bleak spoke]

very very very powerful

[waxen oyster]

There is this magic thing on your keyboard called

the tab key

[cerulean walrus]

The TAB KEY!?

[slim pebble]

It may not be as fun without stealth, but we pump without it

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

eh its just

you play a Dot spec

managing Dots beyond the "fast crutch" is literally part of the gameplay

and idk, pressing fok->rupture 4-5x is not really some bigtime esoteric tech

[cerulean walrus]

Bro wtf is a tab key? The only tab I know is a tab of acid ahhahhhhhhh

[waxen oyster]

i mean you tab rupture around a bit

[slim pebble]

I think you’re in the wrong spec channel

[waxen oyster]

get ct up

[royal lantern]

and if you do keys where that manual dotting is to slow cus stuff is allready dead

why care, you do keys where stuff dies fast lol

[slim pebble]

I just mouse over tbh

[waxen oyster]

start turbofucking big mob

with spatter

[waxen oyster]

that too

[surreal aurora]

What is usually the amount of mobs people would dot?

[cerulean walrus]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm well Scent of Blood caps at 5 stacks so

[waxen oyster]

its just funny how much people act like

[bleak spoke]

what's the rupture ttd this tier

[royal lantern]

~5 ruptures is your "goal"

its scent of blood fully stacked+infinite energy

[cerulean walrus]

[waxen oyster]

manual dotting is not possible

when it's how sin always played

before s3 df

[bleak spoke]

like how long does it have to survive

relative to combo point expenditure

[surreal aurora]

Makes sense. Thank you!

[waxen oyster]

also funny how

[runic hinge]

Two seasons

[waxen oyster]

sub cares more about multi rupturing for dam

than sin does

atp

[royal lantern]

idk, if its above 20% hp i eats a rupture

[cerulean walrus]

We don’t talk about one of those seasons

[runic hinge]

I played assa for both of those season lmao

[waxen oyster]

I mean.....

[cerulean walrus]

Turbo based and real

[royal lantern]

ye cus sub dots actually do dmg

cus it has 0 gameplay or dmg outsside of dance, and rupture is the only thing that does anything at all

[bleak spoke]

@balmy condor how long does a mob have to live for it to be worth to rupture with 5+

[waxen oyster]

SD kinda covers you if you send rupture on something that wont live

before we had SD if you sent a long rupture on a dying mob

just rip your pts

[bleak spoke]

yeah, butit's dmg recovery

it's still loss

[cerulean walrus]

Rip your peanits

[bleak spoke]

so the number is lower for number of seconds it has to live

[haughty lantern]

is this loss?

[bleak spoke]

but there still is a number

[waxen oyster]

i mean with current iteration of sin

[bleak spoke]

@haughty lantern

[waxen oyster]

scent feels more valuable

[bleak spoke]

if you know you know

[waxen oyster]

than the actual rupture dam

well scent+venemous

[bleak spoke]

yeah but that can be factored into the number too yeah

[dim yacht]

try playing without venemous

its fun

[honest pelican]

any reason for me not to make consecrated cloak with dawnthread? I have my first dawnthread on belt - but i have hero track boots/bracers and my cloak is champion - i cant seem to get a higher one

[waxen oyster]

you mean the guy who asked if spatter was broken

and had no poisons on?

[balmy condor]

7 or 13 if you're saturated

[dim yacht]

no i actually made a no venemous build once for fun

it was like...5apm or some shit

[waxen oyster]

that sounds

cursed

[dim yacht]

it is

[waxen oyster]

as all hell

delete this nephew

[dim yacht]

i took the most cursed possible talents

[spice spire]

“For fun”

Who hurt u

[waxen oyster]

do you kick your genitals for fun

[bleak spoke]

ty

[dim yacht]

i only took it into lfr lol

[royal lantern]

classic gameplay lets gooooo

[cerulean walrus]

Yes how did you know?

[bleak spoke]

can we still send 3cp ruptures if they live for a few seconds longer than that

[cerulean walrus]

You offering?

[bleak spoke]

like 10-12 ish

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/R9jEViO.png rate my build. i'll have u know that the elitists over at wowhead don't want u to know that u can choose your own talents now and you don't have to follow the meta

[cerulean walrus]

Clearly I start my terrorist arc where I take double vanish CT to Kyveza and slap up a 100

[rain mortar]

I’m going to play fate kind just for fun in raid tonight and see what it’s like. Will I regret it? Probably

[honest pelican]

anyone on this? the cloak with dawnthread is about 16k dps. crafting it on the bracers and replacing hero track item is ~12.5k. wasnt sure if its still worth sticking to those slots and not make claok

[past bobcat]

Is avoidance or leech better now?