assassination

[spice spire]

Depends on tank pathing

[oak eagle]

last week, on bloodbound mythic, i had 92% uptime on 2 set and 65% uptime on 4 set, this week, on bloodbound mythicn, i had 97% uptime on 2 set and 96% uptime on 4 set

[spice spire]

We go far > left > right

We also “progged” ovinax last week (3 shot it)

[spice spire]

One day a week raiding is weird

[slim pebble]

This is what we do

[oak eagle]

so where did you end

[spice spire]

Okay so you end on worm side

Slight pad to be had

[oak eagle]

did they even get to the worm end?

[slim pebble]

I don’t think so

[spice spire]

Probably not

Even we don’t make it to our last side

[dark current]

so is ass still better than outlaw in raids?

[spice spire]

Loaded question

Are you better on ass or outlaw

[dark current]

i can be best at whatever is meta

[past panther]

assassin is punished less by downtime

[dark current]

nice

[past panther]

outlaw lows are worse than tank dps sometimes and their highs are pretty big

[grim jay]

Mage

[dark current]

i'll just stick with ass then ty

[grim jay]

Thats cap and Whispyr will get rlly mad

If he reads it

[spice spire]

Downtime

[worldly sail]

yeah i sure suffer as sin when im pooling energy and have to step out

[grim jay]

If you use your brain you actually do

[worldly sail]

now do the same as outlaw

gg ar

[spice spire]

And what if you’re not pooling

[grim jay]

Using my brain is difficult as outlaw

I can recognize that

[past panther]

ya if u want meta just roll a fire mage

[worldly sail]

then you suffer the same as outlaw, but outlaw has zero "pooling" moments

[past panther]

i mean it blows during kingsbane but like

[spice spire]

Yeah because you can waste 600000 energy and be fine

[past panther]

normal filler? It doesn’t feel as bad as outlaw or sub

[spice spire]

Meanwhile you waste 200 energy across the fight as sin and u inted

[past panther]

mathematically maybe im wrong

but feel when sub and outlaw are so spammy? it feels so much worse

[royal lantern]

dont

just.dont

[slim pebble]

I’m way better on ass

[past panther]

ok im sorry

[spice spire]

Foss to his wife

[spice spire]

I do not give a shit and I had to deal with this talking point at its worst

[past panther]

it feels less bad to me if i have to step back during a mechanic as assassin than outlaw or subtlety

[autumn silo]

does haste make poison ticks faster?

[spice spire]

Yes

[autumn silo]

thank you very much

[past panther]

X)

[slim pebble]

I feel like a gif is missing here

[grim jay]

You lose like 10% of your dps without accounting for potentially missed casts, poison applications and other damage procs

[past panther]

I feel like the things outlaw manages are a lot more volatile and potentially short lived than making sure u refresh bleeds at the right time

[past panther]

im not disagreeing with u at all

[grim jay]

Outside of kb

[past panther]

like i said, mathematically im prob wrong

but sheer feel, at least for casual me, it feels like i lose a lot more momentum and pacing as sub/otl vs sin

Does it suck regardless? Yes

[slim pebble]

Sikran always charges away from me during the last 3 seconds of KB and it’s such a feels bad

[spice spire]

I mean I’m not gonna argue that there’s pain in downtime for outlaw but that’s what the gun is for bucko

[past panther]

im spooned on raid and i think i only had to do like 2-3 targeted mechanics in 5 bosses last night

and that was all on nexus princess

[grim jay]

Sub can probably more comfortably step away during downtime, as long as they dont cap

[slim pebble]

I got a mechanic on nexus princess for the first time all tier yesterday and died

[oak eagle]

today twice during mythic sikran, he decided to charge me during dmark, my first window with lust, and my second window that boss actually trolled tf out of me

[golden loom]

So for the wrathstone trinket, do you only have 1 shot at the quest to get it as Hero or how does it work?

[past panther]

pretty sure yeah

[spring briar]

rare cloak in vault, should i take it? i wear the ultrax cloak right now

[royal lantern]

THAT is a reasonable take

[grim jay]

Yes exactly

[past panther]

ye that’s my entire point

[golden loom]

alright thanks, and rip 😦

[royal lantern]

its just

we had/have so many people that say with a 100% straight face "assa not punished for downtimes cus dots"

as if our bleeds do 99% of our dmg, and as if assa is not a envenom spam Simulator

[grim jay]

And as if AAs arent 10% of our dps

Not counting procs/poison

[brazen fern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow berry]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[slate crown]

envenom do indeed be brrrrrrr-ing

[worldly sail]

11.5% downtime still even with spam

and thats why i play sin now

[strange python]

Does atrophic poison apply to bosses too?

Does it reduce boss mechanic dmg too?

[worldly sail]

yes

[grim jay]

Guy so full of cap its insane

[grim jay]

Some not all

[tough canyon]

if its boss dmg

[oak eagle]

yes, thats why were brought now, big raid buff

[tough canyon]

not environment

[strange python]

I'm more into M+ bosses and the iteration with aoe unavoidable dmg mechanics

[oblique plover]

Is there a min haste% sin likes? Starting to get Haste vers items simming better than Crit Mastery, assume its because im at 3% haste?

[nova aspen]

how dare u question the robot

if he says get haste u get haste

[thorn crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[past panther]

I feel like the atk speed/cast delay is more valuable in m+

[ionic trench]

am I the only one whos sims value mastery waaaay over everything else? I have 14k mastery, 6k crit and it still wants me to put on more mastery instead of crit

according to the guides crit should be better

[nimble ether]

Maybe the sim is rongue

[arctic socket]

Sims are never wrong

trust

Robot says the all knowing

[ionic trench]

but then guide wrong? 😮

[acoustic roost]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

yes, thats probs cus you gave such low haste

[nova aspen]

the guide is a guide

[spice surge]

Stop simming stat weights either way, its hidden on raidbots for a reason

[lone siren]

Hello.

Is the dungeon slice sim ok ? I used to sim 5boss 40sec fight.
I'm trying to know which trinket is the best for me in m+

[ionic trench]

yea but this says crit = mastery, but I have almost triple the amount of mastery than crit, and the bot wants me to make the gap higher

[slim pebble]

Is there a way to do a sim with crafted gear with multiple stats or do I have to do multiple sims

[normal mist]

D.slice for rogues for m+ sims

[acoustic roost]

Yes dungeon slice is fine for assa

[spice surge]

Topgear

[lone siren]

Thanks mate. Can i whisp you my sims to get your advice ?

[acoustic roost]

Sure

[frigid pilot]

Ayo why are dks and warriors so much better on ovinax?

Burst aoe?

[normal mist]

Nothing against LiG, he's a wonderful person, but it's kinda random asking someone to look at your Sims instead of asking the channel itself

Did you sim?

[royal lantern]

dwarf+bad meme transmog, cant help you there

[grim jay]

Brother I get pms every single day

Atleast he is asking

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-awkward-welp-the-office-gif-10464186

[slim pebble]

Oh damn Im glad I did this, wants me to craft a haste mastery ring instead of crit mast

[shy nest]

what would u guys pick here? 😄

[slim pebble]

Are we being punked?

I need to know before I proceed

[onyx linden]

hugest sac

[shy nest]

no 😄

[onyx linden]

is your big sack already massive?

[slim pebble]

You take the sacbrood if you dont already have a myth track one

[shy nest]

using spyglass w transmitter on nm

[low kernel]

If we are using MqM as our on-use trinket, do we use it before our first env into the dm/kb opener, or after our entire opener is done?

[onyx linden]

you use your stat on use during cds

madness after

[low kernel]

madness is only on use I have atm

[lone siren]

Didn't want to spam the channel. But i can post my sims here if you don't mind !

[shy nest]

so for sure sac then 😄

[lone siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vkGEgXJz1cm6opV3ZGziAt

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a2CUmKcBQzasPq3wty9uF9

[hazy ether]

Hi guys, in myth+ dow cast crimson tempest in single target (on bosses)?

do we*

[slim pebble]

no

[kind forge]

sim it

[lone siren]

If anyone has an advice for my trinkets choice in m+ seeing my sims, i'm up !

[onyx linden]

Something is off with your second sim if its at 5.5m

that can't be a dungeonslice sim

oh wait I read that backwards its a patchwerk 40s

why are you simming 40s patchwerk

[gentle aurora]

guys - I missed out on my spark last week. Am I just perma behind now? can't find anything online

[obtuse socket]

No

[onyx linden]

run raids or m+

they drop

[gentle aurora]

sweet!

[lone siren]

Friends of mine told me dungeon slice is broken, and to sim 40s 5 boss instead, to see what can be done on a pull.

[tired gull]

done on a pack != done in a dungeon

[royal lantern]

your friend is

sorry to say that

stupid

[lone siren]

Good to know xD

[normal mist]

Atleast for rogue that's not how we sim

[somber sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/super-dumb-liam-scott-edwards-ace-trainer-liam-not-so-smart-stupid-gif-20849549

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[acoustic patrol]

Guys, what is the best enchant for m+ on weapons?

[nimble ether]

Radiant authority

[vague flare]

yo anyone got any suggestions for target dummies i can use for pre slice and dice during an m+ key pull timer

[nova aspen]

i wouldn't bother, in 2 weeks slice n dice becomes passive anyway

[vestal cliff]

guys i need some vault help!

what should i take?

[past panther]

he one with the biggest number

[nimble ether]

That’s a fat sac

[vestal cliff]

even if mandate is not BIS?

[nimble ether]

Nice sac bro

[noble pollen]

Mad Queen Trinket worth for mythic+?

[nova aspen]

did u sim everything at max upgrade?

[vestal cliff]

ah lol no XD

[nova aspen]

sac should be higher at 639 ilvl

idk about higher than mqm still, but way higher than +2k lol

also sim it in dungeon slice if u prioritize keys over the raid like me

mqm might fall off

[vestal cliff]

okay thank you!

[tough widget]

!talents

unlucky

[crystal sierra]

Which wep enchant do we go for m+? I see a lot of top rio rogues go depths but they might need more ST for giga big keys? I'm doing 10-11 keys

[nova aspen]

radiant authority

they have depths enchanted probably because they are raiding mythic

cba to swap enchants every time they want to do keys

[royal python]

Radiant authority beats depths every time there are two targets, on single target they are similar

[nova aspen]

depths also has a lot of ramp time, m+ bosses are only like 3 minute fights

[crystal sierra]

I see, thanks

[spice spire]

Mandate is best

At max ilvl

[royal python]

N if you play fatebound, radiant authority shines even more

[crystal sierra]

I'm deathstalker all the way

[onyx loom]

No way the removed wax in high ilvl again

i cant

[digital venture]

no please don't say this is true, I farmed that shit again 😂

[cyan dew]

guys a 639 dagger + Everforged Stabber 636(ascencion) is BiS single, right? I'm simming a 639/639 vs 639+ Stabber and stabber is giving me .5% ST. Is this right or two 369 are better more than 1 target?

[onyx loom]

well

i cant aplly it anymore

so

yep i think its true

[digital venture]

ffs ._.

[onyx loom]

idk what blizzard is cooking

[dapper cradle]

[pearl mountain]

Guys, any idea why the neck of Stonevault is BiS in the stead of the neck of Tirna Scythe ?

[wind estuary]

!wa

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[digital venture]

probably cuz of diminshing returns but I might be wrong

[acoustic sky]

The ilvl of the second dagger is not very impactfull compared to the main dagger.
I'd say that 639 | 636 ascended is BiS in every scenario

[tired gull]

different items can be better based on your other items

[gentle aurora]

should we have half a spark rn or a whole one? (for those who have been getting them weekly)

[cyan dew]

got it. tyvm

[pearl mountain]

ik i have both and simmed tirna higher for now, so thats what i have

but just wondered why the info existed

[dawn heath]

holy shit i dont know what im doing on queen

my dps is ass on that fight

do i play caustic or

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

You play spatter

ST with spatter talented

[quasi steppe]

why does radiant power sim better than the depths in dungeon slice?

[placid wave]

cause depths applies a dot to a target

[digital venture]

I believe it's as I said, mby in full bis you have too much mastery or crit, so haste or versa might be better since overall our secondaries are really close from each other

[quasi steppe]

soo then depths isnt good for m+

[undone pollen]

what classes can dispel the new mechanic for M+ this week

[cerulean walrus]

Poison Dispel totem is your best friend

Shamans stay winning

[inland escarp]

Dwarf lyfe

[slim pebble]

Wat would yall craft in this situation

[cerulean walrus]

Sim crafts

[worldly sail]

i would sim, maybe ring or neck

or boots, as those are all 606

which also means you can up them from m+

[tired gull]

can't even walk through doors comfortably with those shoulders

[slim pebble]

Those are vet track boots lol 😦

[shy pecan]

Smh my head

[tired gull]

i have lots of vet track things 😄

[slim pebble]

Can anyone tell me what the neck is called

and the ring

new crafted ones

[rustic iron]

Why always dwarf and not Darkiron-dwarf? The mainstat buff sounds good..

[slim pebble]

Thanks duder

[quasi steppe]

no matter of how i sim my weapon enchants i get that radiant power on both weapons for dungeon slice, any truth behind it? reading several guides says autohirty of the depths, soo how come?

[molten echo]

Radiant power is better for M+, but worse on single target

[coral ibex]

radiant power is better for aoe, depths is better for ST

[lunar pond]

Affliction Warlock with radiant power pulling your whole dungeon

[quasi steppe]

soo mby have radiant on 1 wep and depths on another in m+ to try to balance it out?

[slim pebble]

I did this sim wrong cause it put all items on the table lol

[molten echo]

Depends what you’re looking to do I guess

If you don’t raid i’d just go 2x radiant power anyway

[arctic granite]

Hey I got a question there are moments in ST where I am out of energy and I'm just sitting there auto attacking or mutilating when I got energy is this just normal or am I doing something wrong?

[blazing pumice]

it's crap

[slim pebble]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[slim pebble]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[slim pebble]

@arctic granite

[coral ibex]

dont spam envenoms outside cd's

[blazing pumice]

you are wasting your defensive for the dps buff

[south token]

just play dashing and dont use vicious venoms

easy spam

[blazing pumice]

regular dwarf can keep it until they need

[spice spire]

[ripe rapids]

!wa

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[grim jay]

Thats probably the worst advise ive seen

So far

In the last few weeks

[sharp viper]

holy crap

that is impressive

[spice spire]

No no

I have seen worse

[ripe rapids]

In M+ you should still only be envenoming to keep up the buff right?

[spice spire]

But that’s a good one

[spice spire]

Oh no

[grim jay]

In the last few weeks?

[spice spire]

In m+ you’re swimming in energy

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

Unless you mean st

Then yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[grim jay]

Ok but its atleast up there

[ripe rapids]

Also outside of a IC, you can really only keep garrote up on 2 targets right? And for rupture should that be on all targets, after your IC if they live that long?

[grim jay]

You only do Main target

No spread

With garrote

5 targets for rupture

[ripe rapids]

and the rupture thing is because of Scent of Blood right?

[spice spire]

I mean you can spread garrote because it’s technically more energy but if you’re swimming in it already and the mental is too high

Yeah just hit mt

Difficulty should be the challenges not the play itself

Kicks, avoiding etc

[glad iris]

does that website that gives feedback on your rotation from logs still exist? I'm stuck around 85-93 parses and lower on ilevel

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

WoW analyzer?

It exists but sin has not been supported since

10.1?

[glad iris]

ah

[vague flare]

what would your opener be on a 5 pack then if you dont mind me asking? ive been putting it up on everything during IC window

[main lake]

Hi guys, im new to assassination is there anyone here that could help med to get my damage and dps up? Im probley doing something wrong with the rotation dut im a litle stuck 🙂

[ripe rapids]

That is just for outside of IC. While you are in IC you should get everything on everything

[vague flare]

oh word thought i was doing something very wrong lol

[spice spire]

If you have logs I am the sole reviewer here except for whispyr when he’s free (once in a blue moon)

[slim pebble]

Well crafting a neck is far and away the best option for me

[spice spire]

And Mo has done a few!

[vague flare]

what are your guys globals on a pack like the corruptors + hatchlings pre last boss in grim batol?

do you guys also not bother to spread more than 1 garrote/rupture then crimson tempest -> fan of knives envenom spam? im trying to find the right balance of set up when they die so fast

[hasty sand]

question out the blue. In M+, how do I keep my single target dps higher? Do I need to be really strict on staying above 50% energy?

[spice spire]

Garrot spread rupture spread mut for caustic CT if no dn, envenom if dn then backwards

[spice spire]

Just maintain envenom buff and should be chuckling

Don’t have to spam

[hasty sand]

So literally just chill while env is up?

[spice spire]

And don’t have to stay above 50% sb isn’t worth playing around

Maintain bleeds

Use CDs

And chill while env is up outside of CDs

[hasty sand]

Okay, that's where I'm going wrong then

[spice spire]

During CDs

Spam it like crazy

Outside

[hasty sand]

CD's is pump for KB

[spice spire]

You got time

[hasty sand]

yeah?

[spice spire]

Ye

[hasty sand]

legend

ty

[spice spire]

[cerulean walrus]

Quake

[dawn heath]

hm

[spice spire]

Hello ohio man

[dawn heath]

guess im bad at padding or something

[digital wind]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn heath]

only a 97 on broodtwister

i guess its very cheeseable?

[spice spire]

Yeah don’t have warriors or dks

[slim pebble]

Damn my sims want haste

They yearn for haste

[spice spire]

Me fr

[past panther]

What amount are you at rn?

[winged sun]

Are there dslice sims for the recent sin changes?

@balmy condor

[spice spire]

9800? Iirc

[spice spire]

Yeah you press dslice and sim

[winged sun]

Ya but idk how to sim old vs new

[flat musk]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[spice spire]

Tea when you need energy during shiv

[spice spire]

Does it matter (actual question)

[winged sun]

I always check sims of everything

My brain likes info

[flat musk]

no need to worry about playing around the mastery for kb ending or try to keep 1 for that still?

[glad iris]

@spice spire are you willing to take a peek at a couple of my logs from last night? sikran and kyveza heroic

really big rift between the two

[spice spire]

Sure

[spice spire]

It’s +0.5%ish

Likely won’t have sims set in until the weekend

[glad iris]

should I DM or just paste in here?

[spice spire]

Paste

[glad iris]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rqdbwac1ZzNDP4VX#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=12

[spice spire]

Since it’s tier and not raw ability sims, where raw ability you can manually adjust

[glad iris]

first is sikran, 2nd is kyveza

[spice spire]

@normal mist or @slate crown help pls 🙂

(I just need them to thread it so you can reference it easier)

[glad iris]

ill delete the other one

[normal mist]

Done

[nova aspen]

nicely done royal

[rain berry]

are good timewalking trinkets?

[royal lantern]

tw stuff is not great by design

cus that would be kinda cringe

[hollow berry]

I have dagger crafted with ascension. Is it best to craft the wrist with writhing armor, or should I just craft using dawnthread? I mainly run mythic+

[spice spire]

Except the one ulduar

[dusk gull]

hi just changed from outlaw to assassin, is it common to be out of energy?

[tough widget]

is offhand weapon anything more then a statstick?

[coral ibex]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[tough widget]

no right?

[coral ibex]

what if hero blood of the old god tho

[arctic socket]

Offhand wep doesn’t matter much

Mainland is the most important

[coral ibex]

is it possible to get this as a hero drop from the box?

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[coral ibex]

shame there's no algalon in tw

[hollow berry]

Is the answer to my question above just sim it?

[woven shore]

Can someone send me a good apply poison weakaura

Please ❤️

[spring moat]

Dawnthread and writhing armor right ?

[past panther]

double dawn for m+, armor + ascension for raid

[cinder quartz]

i use this https://wago.io/yUMsTUPTx

[spring moat]

I got crafted bracers and belt.

[past panther]

double dawn is not very far behind ascension according to the guide

Which content are you prioritizing?

[spring moat]

Raid. I got dawnthread on belt and writhing armor on bracers

[winged quail]

I'm seeing so many different builds for singelarget and cleave, need to find a way to sim all the combos

[cinder quartz]

you can do that with raidbots

[past panther]

im not sure how worth it is for you to make a dagger exclusively for ascension

But embellishments this xpac aren’t that massive

[cinder quartz]

i went ascension+dawn because that sounded fine

since i do raid and keys and am not going to be pushing hard or anything

[tulip fern]

Yo this might be stupid, but do you thistle tea before the shiv at the end of kingsbane or with 5 sec of kingsbane snd shiv left?

[spring moat]

I’ve got heroic regicide and kikuri

[coarse mason]

Does writhing even do anything for dawnthread?

[past panther]

i don’t think so

cause it’s text is ‘chance’ isn’t it?

[coarse mason]

Ascension specifically says it's nerubian, dawnthread doesn't have that tag

And writhing says it doubles your nerubian embellishments

So he'd want to recraft that if he keeps his dawnthread for sure

[past panther]

are you progging or farming? if you’re prog then it might be harder to maintain dawnthread hp threshold

[spring moat]

Farming

[past panther]

Pick your poison then ig

Could sim a dagger to see if you can get a better stat combo if you can afford the craft

[lethal arrow]

personally i just press it as i press kingsbane

[pure star]

I’m sure this has been asked a billion times, but when you have darkest night proc up outside of echoing reprimand, is it worth it to immediately mutilate until max combo points or let it naturally come? Like if if I have 6 points, should I send a mutilate to hit 7 or envenom and hope I fill my combo points next go around

[spring moat]

So if I don’t craft a dagger go with double dawnthread ?

[gleaming spire]

Fill em

[past panther]

Yup

Or meme with the marriage ring

[grizzled fulcrum]

What are the embelish crafts for m+ ?

[spice spire]

Deadly

[spice spire]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[neat pulsar]

any easy way to get rid of the affix this week as a rogue ?

[past panther]

Vial no?

It’s based on healing and cleanse

[neat pulsar]

yes but not enough heal output

[spice spire]

Cloak

[proven jasper]

u can cloak it no?

[spice spire]

Sorry autocorrect!

Outside of that it’s vial

[proven jasper]

CLOWN

[past panther]

Make friends with your healer or burn cloak

[proven jasper]

god damn bro that was rude

[spice spire]

Bro I’m not trying to bully people asking real questions

Just the nerds who act a fool

[proven jasper]

i can be a fool for u

[neat pulsar]

I guess I will threat healers to misdirect aggro on them

[spice spire]

[past panther]

Why you running tricks in m+

run blind dmg debuff

[shy nest]

how much better is whetstone vs wax?

[neat pulsar]

to get cleanse first lol

[past panther]

this xpac is already brutal for healers

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[past panther]

Not only are tanks ego as fragile as Texas’s power grid but the amount of party/raids dmg is ridiculous

[spice spire]

Shamans just have to bring poison cleanse totem wdym

[neat pulsar]

no one is playing tricks in keys for real ?

[grizzled fulcrum]

Vial
Healing potion
And if you are dwarf use racial

[past panther]

Not to mention the poor tuning

[spice spire]

I am but I’m an idiot

🙂

I also pug a lot of bad tanks

[neat pulsar]

like last week it was nice to tricks the affix mob whenit pops away from tank

[past panther]

If i play with my brother who mains destro lock and f mage sometimes ill run it

He’ll rip aggro in mid level keys

Default is blind debuff tho

[neat pulsar]

idk, feels like sometimes it helps more preventing bad aggro from tank at pull than the %red

[spice spire]

Logic is

[neat pulsar]

will see in higher keys

[spice spire]

If you’re running with a good tank

You won’t need tricks ever

[past panther]

Yuh

[neat pulsar]

yeah but pugs

[spring moat]

Quake>Diet Pepsi. What happen lol

[spice spire]

That’s why I said IF

[spice spire]

I change my name a lot

Diet Pepsi is deep lore

[spring moat]

Make sense

[cerulean walrus]

Piet Depsi

[slate crown]

deeper than me

[spice spire]

Dog you can’t just say that

[cerulean walrus]

Deeper than the cavern in my head where my brain should be

[spice spire]

Real

[slate crown]

ok buddy you can keep hating I'm just vibing

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-rat-ratjam-catjam-ratjammers-gif-21929051

[spice spire]

Ty appreciate ur support LE

[spice spire]

I bought gems last night and did not buy from you

Apologies

[spice spire]

[cerulean walrus]

[past panther]

[fervent dirge]

so .. how was the patch for assa? i just didnt see any video talks about it

[spice spire]

Pins 🙂

[plain bough]

can some rogue expert check my log to see what im doing wrong ?

[arctic socket]

That’s wild

[spice spire]

Yeah sure (I’m not an expert but logs are easy)

[cinder quartz]

meanwhile im an expert 💪

[zenith prairie]

I’d bet it’s shiv

[spice spire]

Hit it Joe!

[fallow canopy]

you are an expert in my eyes

[cinder quartz]

[spice spire]

Babe?

[slate crown]

Link it

[errant mauve]

How impactful is it to not be getting restealths in M+ runs?

[spice spire]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[cinder quartz]

tag whispyr and ask

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-not-do-not-cat-dangerous-individual-man-dancing-while-cat-threatens-your-family-gif-26522356

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[errant mauve]

Does rupture spread to 2 xtra targets if you don’t do it from stealthed? Wouldn’t you be using more globals casting rupture to spread 1 by 1

[spice spire]

Yes

But in the grand scheme of things

It’s less impactful

If your tanks kills everything but one thing at 2% then pulls

Like yeah it’s trolling

But if he is just an ape and GIGA pulls

It’s a gain

[zenith prairie]

Just hang back and re or vanish

[dusk gull]

i have 2 regicide, one champion one hero, do i still craft dagger for 639? i just changed from outlaw to assassin and have crafted wrists beforehand (and legs but replaced with tier)

[lunar pond]

In pugs, more than not, it’s the first lol. This is at 2.7 io in 11s and up.

Less annoying about damage and more annoying for silence wall

[cinder quartz]

639 weapon will poop on your champ dagger

[spice spire]

Probably. 636 dagger is big damooj

[dusk gull]

hm, aite thankss, one more qn do i embellish it with ascension or just wait for 2 more wks to get both dawnthread and just stay using 1 dawnthread atm

[spice spire]

I’d wait for dawnthread if you’re doing m+ mainly. Sim to ascension for primary raid

Aim for ascension*

[dusk gull]

hmm okay thanks man :)

[spice spire]

Anytime big dog

Glhf

[errant mauve]

What’s ascension do? I been using elemental lens cause I run sub and sin

[arctic tusk]

Elemental focusing lens fine if ur multi speccing I assume?

It ramps up and gives you stats

So good in raid

[slate crown]

Yeah embels are all whatever they're very close

[spice spire]

Yep

[arctic tusk]

Bad in ‘+

M+

[spice spire]

@ all of the above

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty quarry]

hey whats our 2 bis trinkets for m+ ? crystal and skardyn grace ?

and which pieace should i craft ?

[dusk gull]

think spyglass and grace?

[arctic socket]

Wowhead is pretty sick

But yeah Crystal n Grace

Pieces you should craft? Whatever your character needs

[jaunty quarry]

ty

[spice spire]

Pretty sure it’s still mandate and grace m+

[arctic socket]

Nah

[hollow helm]

Is there a list of gameplay changes for 11.0.5?

[arctic socket]

Spyglass ain’t it tho

That’s a st trinket

[spring moat]

Can you recraft just to change embellishment ? New to this convoluted process

[arctic socket]

Yeah

Or remove it

[thorny crown]

what is the differnece on the same ilvl sacbrood vs spyglass? Worth going for spy if already have sacbrood and skardyn?

[spice spire]

There’s 0 gameplay changes

Noted in the pin

[spice spire]

Depends on character

[hollow helm]

Must have missed that Ty

[spice spire]

Sim it

[spring moat]

Another spark or no?

[arctic socket]

That’s a sim question

[arctic socket]

No

[spice spire]

No worries. Lot of skimmers ask, no harm in skimming big dog easy answers

[thorny crown]

kk

[lethal arrow]

logs are lookin better

[spice spire]

Log this, log that, how about you log some hoes!

[arctic socket]

Hop off gensin and improve more

[cerulean walrus]

Log this, log that, how about you stick your log in me

[pulsar basin]

is there any specifics for simming top gear, or do u just toss it into dungeonslice and see what it says

[lethal arrow]

at work

[spice spire]

Looking at some one’s profile to see what someone’s doing is vile

[spice spire]

Slice works

[spice spire]

Say less ohio man

[arctic socket]

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[thorny crown]

sims 0.1% worse than my sacbrood, lets go

[pulsar basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sL9EgpbmBDRKJbVWbDnWzK -> telling me to resocket and re-enchant lol

[cerulean walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[spice spire]

Huge

[pulsar basin]

like 50k for .9%

[spice spire]

Name is vile homie wat

[lethal arrow]

working on it

its hard

[arctic socket]

If you don’t want it don’t do it

[spice spire]

But yeah

I cba

[pulsar basin]

what's bis 3rd crafted if i got wep and belt

[spice spire]

Whatever you need

[pulsar basin]

right

[spice spire]

Need a ring? Send er bud

Wrists? Go for it

Neck, hell yeah

[cerulean walrus]

The look Whispyr gives when he tells me I suck

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[spice spire]

Whatcha sucking bud

[arctic socket]

Me

[cerulean walrus]

Whatcha pushin bud?

[spice spire]

Ur shit in per your request earlier

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[cerulean walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[spice spire]

I should have never seen this gif

[cerulean walrus]

This gif is diabolical

[dapper cradle]

What setting is his sybian on do you think

[wheat tiger]

Did you run this with raid buffs?

[pulsar basin]

yeah i forgot to take it off

lol

re-running took like 30 mins

[magic dust]

could someone explain to me why 90% of my trinket sims that i do are being run on low precision? how can i avoid that?

[cerulean walrus]

@spice spire Babe how do you feel that my Skardyn’s Grace is bigger than Whispyr’s

[spice spire]

Awful

Because I stole whispyr’s grace

[cerulean walrus]

[spice spire]

Triple rogue group

And the rattiest one got the trinket 🙂

[cerulean walrus]

Lmaooo

[dusty crescent]

at this point i'm ready to give head to blizz ceo for a skardyn's

90 runs

[spice spire]

[dusty crescent]

i said what i said

[young dust]

if it weren't soulbound i'd take your offer

[cerulean walrus]

There’s no fucking way bro lmao

[dusty crescent]

been counting them since GB was first dungeon-able

[dusty crescent]

your loss :C

[young dust]

11 items on the loot table is beyond stupid

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[young dust]

can i check somewhere the total count for both timed and untimed?

[spice spire]

Raider.io innit

Or you mean like playerbase total

[young dust]

nope, my own

[dusty crescent]

i also was only playing with loot traders, so i was x3'ing my chances

still nada

lol

[young dust]

I have to count one by one opening the GB runs?

24 runs but I assume i got it on 12th or so

[dusty crescent]

jelly

i'm just hoping to see it in vault at this point

[spice spire]

I did it in 3

Whispyr is up there too

[placid adder]

Roll outlaw loot there’s one less item

[spice spire]

Actual strat

[mint valve]

Is buzzing rune from DF garbage?

[spice spire]

No

It’s more than fine

Is it worse than current? Absolutely

[mint valve]

it seems okay compared to algari mana oil

[spice spire]

But also GIGA money save. Rarely will the extra +100 secondary be the difference

[mint valve]

and the whetstones are too expensive lol

[spice spire]

Agreed

[honest pelican]

whetstones are way cheaper now then 2 weeks ago

[spice spire]

Ik the mats are more expensive

[honest pelican]

but mana oil is cheaper and longer

[spice spire]

But still

[mint valve]

ive been using buzzing runes HAHA

[dusty crescent]

i caught on to that after like... the 40th run lol

i been using wax

[mint valve]

wax mainhand

buzzing offhand?

[spice spire]

Ye

[cerulean walrus]

You see I timed that 11 Grim and was duly rewarded

That’s the strat

Clearly

[nimble tartan]

chat i got a rank 5 on sikran and i do not know the opener still

[dusty crescent]

i'm unfamiliar with this buzzing thing

[cerulean walrus]

Buzzing rune

[nimble tartan]

sin is free baby

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah sounds about right

[mint valve]

buzzing rune is from dragonflight

it gives 310 crit rating

[dusty crescent]

ah ok

[mint valve]

but it cost like.. 20 god

gold

so its super cheap

[dusty crescent]

if only wax worked on both weps

sigh

[mint valve]

where do you guys farm wax most efficiently?

[cold sluice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[agile geode]

33

[dusty crescent]

i to the waterworks or w/e its called

in ringing deeps bottom left

[calm grail]

People using Wax again? For pure ST?

[dusty crescent]

pickpocket all of them then go along the bottom to the bottom right

[dusty crescent]

it's cheap mayne

[calm grail]

But in terms of pure throughput, is it best in what scenario?

[dusty crescent]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[dusty crescent]

wax has aoe dmg which is cool

so at least in m+ i think it has merit

[tired gull]

using wax because at the level i play at, i would just use nothing if wax didn't exist 😄

plus i like stealing from the dirty candle guys

[spice spire]

Koboldsexual

I saw that

[candid hull]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[tired gull]

so did i

[calm grail]

I still see plenty of Deathstalker Sanguine blades

Wdymmm

[spice spire]

People don’t change builds

[tired gull]

the builds are close

[calm grail]

How do you get double vicious? Drop sang and what else?

Or just one vicious?

[tired gull]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DANFVVFBRRUVViRFDVQAMVVRQUGYUURoVBUEFVVUCEA

[acoustic roost]

Sang and imp garrote

[fickle light]

do you guys reapply garrote to multiple adds outside of carnage or just your main?

[glad osprey]

Whispyr's plater doesn't show an icon for deathstalkers mark? how do I fix this

[prisma coral]

yes it does

its color coding the bar

[glad osprey]

same w crimson tempest

[acoustic roost]

Remove it from the blacklist

[glad osprey]

How?

[glad osprey]

i think i installed it wrong bcuz its exactly the same

[prisma coral]

your stalker mark changes the color of the bar then it changes it again when stalkers mark and caustic splatter are on that target

[dusty crescent]

what's the highest dps you guys have had on a larger mob pull in m+? best i've ever gotten at 615 on 8-10ish mobs was like 3.4million

is that low you think?

[glad osprey]

is it that dark blue?

[dusty crescent]

first issue is you're a vulpera

[glad osprey]

shut up theyre cute asf

[dusty crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/orc-smile-gif-10315643652749609661

Orc life best life, zugzug

[glad osprey]

i was an orc before a vulpera LMAO

[hexed frost]

5M on opening pack of mists

[glad osprey]

thats the funny thing

[dusty crescent]

traitor

you're worse than gul'dan

[glad osprey]

i really am

[stray fox]

You wanna keep 5 bleeds up so < 4 you keep garrote on multiple but over 5+ dw

[dusty crescent]

you got skardyn's?

[glad osprey]

What about crimson tempest?

[hexed frost]

Ofc yes

[dusty crescent]

i've seen dh / frost dk's hit like 9 million. High key jelly

[glad osprey]

there doesn't seem to be any change on plater for crimson tempest

[dusty crescent]

jealous

[spice spire]

Your WA shows that, there’s niche cases wel here you’ll want to know that

[acoustic roost]

Ct puts a red border around the nameplate

[spice spire]

But he probably blacklisted because it’s on his WA

[spice spire]

Colorblindness strikes again

[glad osprey]

I see yeah

[glad osprey]

its kinda hard to see at first if you're super used to blizzard's ui LOL

[spice spire]

Oh no

I mean I tested it

And I’m colorblind

I didn’t see it legitimately

[copper monolith]

i think i realize a large reason why i prefer season 3 and 4 mythic+ better

[glad osprey]

its kinda small LOL

[hexed frost]

Funny thing is that if a fury warrior pops cooldowns on same pack as you, rippo.

Pack will die even before your deathmark and Kingsbane ticks to 50%

[glad osprey]

if u know what to look for u can see it otherwise it can take a moment

[copper monolith]

I could stun or disoriented a casting mob, and it wouldn't cast again right away, but now they just immediately cast again

[acoustic roost]

Just go into wa settings and remove from blacklist.

[copper monolith]

I feel like rogue got way less useful after that change

[glad osprey]

Is it worth using a mouseover macro

[dusty crescent]

so true, their damage so quick... i'm just sitting there pulling the ripcord on my lawnmower trying to get it started for 30 seconds

[glad osprey]

for ccs

i havent been but im thinking of doing so

[spice spire]

Or sin got more useful due to iron wire

[copper monolith]

dont you

just

shiba me?

[spice spire]

If it helps yeah.
I’m not a mouse over dude

But people do that

[hexed frost]

I usually let them open on the first pack, then pump on second pack.

[spice spire]

No I smile dogged you

[copper monolith]

he shiba'd me

i am saddened

[spice spire]

[copper monolith]

[hexed frost]

That's like just one pull, then it's garbage. Assa can pull 3M w/o CDs on every pack

[copper monolith]

what happened with fire mage

it was ass at the start

[spice surge]

Unholy does absolutely whack big burst

[copper monolith]

and now it's super strong in keys again

[spice surge]

Ye it got giga buffed

[dusty crescent]

damn without cd's i'm around 2.1 ish T.T i gotta get better

[spice surge]

I saw a clip of one of the chinese push groups where their unholy did 17.5M on the first pull of stonevault

[teal geyser]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusty crescent]

wait what

[spice spire]

Balanced

[dusty crescent]

send me that clip

[hexed frost]

Yeah but aside from necro and ara kara, you don't get that much gigapulls

[nova aspen]

ive seen boomies do 14m

[thorn fjord]

Changes feel nice

[nova aspen]

damn chickens

[thorn fjord]

Makes me happy

[hexed frost]

I'll halal the chickens and feed them to kobyss

Phat ass chickens flapping and strutting their way around. I absolutely hate them

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

This dude is one of the cows for Chic Fil A

[glad osprey]

Is there a way to change your key's dungeon?

[pulsar basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusty crescent]

leveling a boomy right now for a lil change of pace

get out of melee every once in awhile

[glad osprey]

literally not one person wants to do mists and ive been stuck with this crap for 2 days straight LOL

[spice spire]

If you time a different key with higher level

[glad osprey]

yeaahh thats what i thought

LOL

[spice spire]

There’s a mob that lets you change your key

[dusty crescent]

if you can find that clip lmk

[glad osprey]

oh wait, right, i forgot about that

[spice spire]

[dusty crescent]

the panda girl after a dungeon is over right?

[glad osprey]

i might do that, literally no one wants to do mists

yea

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

Depends on level.
It’s an easy 9 for crests

But if it’s 7 or lower loot there kinda sucks

Except changeling ig

[glad osprey]

yeah im trying to progress my own key since everyone is p much overgeared and no one accepts me because of my item level, but i am stuck with a 6 mists

[quaint knoll]

Does radiant power sim higher than depths atm?

[spice surge]

In aoe yes

on ST no

[spice spire]

Oh a 6 too. That’s a super rough level to have.

Eventually someone should join

Or get a guildy to do it

[dusty crescent]

i'm 616 1850ish and i get denied for 4's lmao

[spice spire]

That’s what I do for some of these dog (as in no one wants to do it) keys

[dusty crescent]

it's rough out here, m+ rankings showing us high tier doesn't mean anything to them

[spice spire]

616 2100 or 2200, idr and same

But m+ rankings do show us high

[glad osprey]

i relate

[heavy trail]

what makes mists a bad key just curious

[hexed frost]

How's the 5% Nerf to splatter looking like?

It's over or it's soooo over?

[glad osprey]

im not as impressive only 608 rn i think with like 1800 ish but i still am getting rejected to keys i can easily do.. like +2s

[keen spruce]

we got buffed doodoo

[nova aspen]

.5% aoe buff, check pin

[spice spire]

It’s not bad at all. It’s an easy time.
Loot table is just bad

And at 6 you’re not getting hero track

[heavy trail]

oh ok

[hexed frost]

ST Yes? 4p buffs CT and garrote too so aoe too I guess

[spice spire]

It has changeling

And a neck

Rest is kinda whatever

[keen spruce]

got buffed everywhere

[shy pecan]

I mean, the issue is who you’re competing with. Not because your ability not able to do it necessarily

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

[dusty crescent]

hard to get rating if no one wants to join your key or let you join there's smfh

[heavy trail]

Yeah trying to get into 5s and not having much luck today yet lol.

[dusty crescent]

everyone is like we need brez we need lust!

[nova aspen]

cHeCk PiNs

[keen spruce]

if you buff all of the ST that spatters, then spatter is stronger

even if spatter itself got nerfed

[spice spire]

Ur right my 2100 ass is joining every 2 key to make sure @glad osprey specifically will never get into one

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

I’m an insane hater what can I say

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thano-marvel-snapped-gauntlet-gif-15240315

[keen spruce]

so real for that one

[dusty crescent]

no one likes doors or guess game

[spice spire]

Weak aura makes it easier fwiw

[hexed frost]

Splatter maxxing never ends, does it

[heavy trail]

The doors not too bad but yeah there's the WA, but i kind of don't like that boss either.

[spice spire]

Call me Jackson pollock dog

[dusty crescent]

yeah true

[heavy trail]

I mean it's just not much fun

[glad osprey]

LOL

[dusty crescent]

doors only work after 3 correct guesses unfortunately

[glad osprey]

so im sad now because

[waxen oyster]

its just there’s way too many dps signups

[glad osprey]

my trinket is having me do more than just jump

i stg i had a glitched one or something

and now its fixed

[keen spruce]

just list the key in your bag and look at the DPS that sign up then put yourself in that list and ask yourself honestly if you'd invite yourself

[glad osprey]

honestly i get like no sign ups for my 6 mists

so yes i would

LMAO

[spice spire]

Trinket is dog

[grim cape]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice spire]

I’ll sign up for it

[heavy trail]

I don't just try to join keys that are above my current level of ability :). But it still feels bad when you can easily do keys and get rejected always haha.

[spice spire]

Next time I see a mists 6

In 3 weeks

[waxen oyster]

we’re at a point in tier where people are over 625

[spice spire]

I’ll sign up

[waxen oyster]

and not just wf raiders

[spice spire]

[glad osprey]

yea but im a noob i just came back to the xpack

i played for the first 3 weeks, timegating had me broed

bored

went back to ark

😭

then i just returned 3-4 days ago :D

[spice spire]

Ahhh misplay

Ark gaming

[glad osprey]

i love that stupid game

[tired gull]

ark the dino game?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

dino game kinda fun

[spice spire]

There’s a lot of weird overlap

A lot of my guild arks

That’s why we had to normal until last week

[heavy trail]

It's sad but after playing assassin it's tough to even get the motivation to do a key on my MM so boring lol

[keen spruce]

last time I played i was trying to strap c4 to a pterodacyl and make kamikazi fighters

but i punched the c4

and it blew up my base

so i quit

[harsh anchor]

[dusty crescent]

my guild raids once a week and can't 8/8 heroic

[heavy trail]

instant decline to a 5 from a guy who has not even timed the grim batol dungeon yet. Feels bad man.

[glad osprey]

on the official i play on theres like 5 people who are WoW players

lmao

[orchid wind]

what u boys crafting this week ?

[glad osprey]

there really is

[grim cape]

What's the importance of being under 50%? Should I not be over 50 even if envenom is maintained?

[spice spire]

Ring probably? Or neck?

[waxen oyster]

Doesn’t matter to lfg

[spice spire]

Not to lose energy

[dusty crescent]

i'm 8/8 heroic lmao

[harsh anchor]

nuffin, it’s time for crest upgrades

[orchid wind]

thats what i was kinda of thinking

[dusty crescent]

but i damn sure not ever getting into pug mythics

[orchid wind]

upgrading myth tracks

[waxen oyster]

What does that mean

[gaunt sigil]

My guild is walled on mythic brood rn and I’m stuck on fury warrior

[orchid wind]

[waxen oyster]

i dont think hc is a flex tbh

[dusty crescent]

i wasn't flexing

[grim cape]

Wouldn't that just mean staying under max?

[waxen oyster]

F

[spice spire]

Yeah like my guild the people that play together (like 7-8 people) several didn’t play together before being in guild

[glad osprey]

yeah as a dps its sad rn

[spice spire]

It’s cute

[dusty crescent]

i'm saying pugging heroic like you suggested is fine

[spice spire]

Read sanguine blades

[dusty crescent]

i'm not getting into pug mythics

[glad osprey]

Oh wait you mean raids

[waxen oyster]

i would never pug mythic raid

[spice spire]

You gotta make homies

[waxen oyster]

whats the point

[gaunt sigil]

Fr, our other warrior quit and Im the only other person with a geared dps warrior

[dusty crescent]

thank you for catching up lol

[keen spruce]

imagine making friends in an MMO

[glad osprey]

easier said than done tbh

[spice spire]

First few are GIGA free if you’re guilds don’t

[glad osprey]

LOL

[dusty crescent]

i.e i'm not getting to 625 anytime soon

[spice spire]

Sistren that’s just not true

[waxen oyster]

ngl

[spice spire]

I’m the biggest idiot known to man

[strange python]

So basicaly you do not want to open with a garrote on the prio target from stleath and regarrote the same prio target to spread garrote right, does that even matter when you are using ambush first? do you get vaule from Shrouded Suffocation if you ambush first and then garrote if so double garrotin the prio target should be fine right? into double rupture etc etc

[spice spire]

And I’m swimming in them

[waxen oyster]

first boss is harder than second

[spice spire]

But also

[glad osprey]

i have played for many yrs and ive never really met anyone who i consistently play with

[spice spire]

You have a barrier that I don’t

[keen spruce]

that's your best quality tbh

[shy pecan]

Swimming in what?

[spice spire]

No George is

[spice spire]

Homies

[shy pecan]

Hmm

[glad osprey]

what is this barrier

[grim cape]

Right, but if I'm staying under 50 then sanguine blades doesn't do anything.

[keen spruce]

🍕

[glad osprey]

i've also been in like over 5 guilds because i won't even lie, a lot of guilds are filled with creepies

[spice spire]

People are far weirder to you than me because you happen to be a lady

[glad osprey]

and then i get uncomfortable and leave

fair

[spice spire]

That’s the barrier

[glad osprey]

that would explain

LMAO

[tropic cedar]

yea but heroic ansurek is harder than both, first 2 are free in pugs, first 4 doable with a good group for sure

[waxen oyster]

ngl

[spice spire]

It does during CDs

Which is when it matters

[waxen oyster]

i watched a pug chain wipe on kyveza hc

[glad osprey]

i have .. stories

[waxen oyster]

so i dont doubt it

[pulsar basin]

does binding of binding actually work

[brisk path]

finally timed all 11s with pug 😮‍💨

[keen spruce]

my friend girls have linked some truly cursed wow DMs

[pulsar basin]

or is that a meme ring

[spice spire]

I don’t doubt it, but there are several ladies even in here. It’s just about finding your place

[spice spire]

Same

[glad osprey]

ive had guild leaders send me legitimate porn as a "joke"