that's based
#assassination
elfin garden
runic hinge
Did you mean internal bleeding
hallow pelican
Did you mean internal bleeding
yes lol sorry
runic hinge
yes lol sorry
Should take it for rashanan too
leaden viper
Is raid bot the site to use for sims or is there a better one
runic hinge
Probably bloodbound horror as well cause caustic doesn’t really reach those adds
balmy condor
Is raid bot the site to use for sims or is there a better one
that's the only way to sim
unless you want to build simulationcraft locally I guess and get the same answers for 90x the work
mystic osprey
Whispyrs why do you put treacherous transmitter C tier trinket
balmy condor
open the explanation
still pewter
Do you think sin getting soul swap would be broken or just a nice qol
main iron
Is assassination more competitive in m+ right now than the other specs?
balmy condor
what is soul swap
balmy condor
Is assassination more competitive in m+ right now than the other specs?
yes
still pewter
Moves all dots to new target
balmy condor
that sounds really complicated for no reason
severe sparrow
homebrew simcraft and run it on the local university computing cluster so i dont have to wait 10m for a maxxed out sim
vale lantern
i had to death roll the outlaw rogue for it but i got it
elfin garden
I like the execute for dealing with DoTs rather than moving them around
severe sparrow
mystic osprey
open the explanation
Got it
runic hinge
JUMP THREE TIMES
still pewter
that sounds really complicated for no reason
🤔 Troll surely
sand trellis
should I hold transmitter trinket to line up with CDs?
balmy condor
it's basically just marked for death but objectively worse
not really sure why you would want that
balmy condor
should I hold transmitter trinket to line up with CDs?
yes
severe sparrow
someone should tell blizzard to make a ddr trinket where you have to hit wasd to step
mighty rapids
I thought that mastery trinket from everbloom was way worse than transmitter tbh
mighty rapids
All u do is move a bit to ur upper right....instead of picking up all these orbs
south nest
yea its way worse you move up and right instead of picking up 3 orbs that you cant see and you have to stagger them to keep the buff going
cinder grotto
Hi guys, have our stat weight changed any recently? Or maybe the bis list on wowhead is different? I know we should sim our chars, but I could have sworn we would craft crit/mast? It feels like the bis list is not favoring haste more than at the start of the expansion?
haughty lantern
guys look at my rasha'nan parse 😄
balmy condor
Hi guys, have our stat weight changed any recently? Or maybe the bis list on wow...
I spend 0 time making the bis list before 11.0 release, and I've spent 0 time since
cinder grotto
Okay gotcha
hollow talon
do you guys play vicious venoms for ST raid or the garrote talents, seeing a mix in mythic logs
balmy condor
I never play garrote talents
hollow talon
ya am using the talents from the wowhead guide w venoms wasnt sure whats the play
balmy condor
people play garrote talents cause 0.2% higher sim
uneven plume
balmy condor
bigger sim better person
uneven plume
i used to hate augs
balmy condor
<:PogO:1160145144872435792>
nice aug flex
balmy condor
what changed
silent granite
guys look at my rasha'nan parse 😄
The tier set really got us doing right out here.
balmy condor
yeh
balmy condor
you could also step
novel star
yeh but stepping requires confidence in the mages and probably a macro
velf is solobolo
balmy condor
yes
spice spire
spread this pal 
blazing jewel
novel star
ye
idle crane
Weird question,i'm not getting any myth track items in my vault, didnt do high enough content and probably wont for a bit, I have two 619 daggers, would it be a HORRIBLE idea to open my vault as outlaw for the chance at a weapon to try a different spec? Or would it be ok?
novel star
like its better to step regardless
balmy condor
I mean that's the whole point
novel star
for sure
balmy condor
Weird question,i'm not getting any myth track items in my vault, didnt do high ...
no, go for it
idle crane
I was kinda figuring trinkets and everything would still be the same so figured why the hell not, I think I will, thank you sir!
balmy dome
What am I missing to really optimize caustic splater on ovinax?
balmy condor
your raid not nuking parasites
balmy dome
lmao well heck
raven egret
pretty much
slate crown
Any tricks for heroic court cd timings for us? or just send
balmy condor
send
slate crown
k
slate crown
right
balmy condor
for the damage pump
bleak spoke
people play garrote talents cause 0.2% higher sim
i would play garrote talents if it simmed 0.2% worse 
idle crane
Ugh champion treacherouis transmitter or champion void reavers blade for OS lol. I'm using mandate and reapers contract right now and I dont know if I can be bothered with the transmitter lmao
nova kelp
Whispyr are you out of danger worm prison yet? That fight is dog...
slate crown
Olii I am upset your ingame name isn't oli with too many is
novel star
cause racial gcd
slate crown
I'm so upset
novel star
Olii I am upset your ingame name isn't oli with too many is
srry!
i could do a details nickname i guess
bleak spoke
Ugh champion treacherouis transmitter or champion void reavers blade for OS lol....
every encounter i use transmitter i want to delete the trinket more
raven egret
There is but one name
idle crane
Lmao I think im def going warp blade and will give outlaw a chance, I love assasination but I really like always pushing something too so outlaw might be cool? plus it would pair nice with the set trinket I have for it lol
balmy condor
Whispyr are you out of danger worm prison yet? That fight is dog...
no
bleak spoke
tbh that fight looks like it would be so fun without the swirlies
neat bluff
Has anyone noticed Flensing knives in damage breakdown?
drifting cloud
I mean yeah ... theyre not really close to the boss lol
balmy condor
Has anyone noticed Flensing knives in damage breakdown?
yes, it's a bug
neat bluff
So should we be using it
balmy condor
If it hit boss
adds are like 45 yards off the boss
I mean if you want
it's bonus damage
bleak spoke
it's like 2.5-3% in single for me pretty consistently
neat bluff
cause ive noticed its from a talent that increases cloak duration
bleak spoke
which is annoying because i would really like to have bait and switch
balmy condor
yes
novel star
oh yeah flensing is gna do more now lmao
balmy condor
why would it
novel star
lying for fun
novel star
why would it
thought tier hero talent shit
balmy condor
yeh but they're not gonna add a deleted talent lmao
bleak spoke
does the tier set affect it
balmy condor
no
bleak spoke
tbh it shouldn't exist to begin with i'm surprised they haven't hotfixed it
bleak spoke
it's also plague dmg
which is like
weird
probably an artifact from like previoius design iterations of the hero talent tree
fallen moss
just curious, are there rough estimates on how much dmg you can lose to bad positioning and parry on bosses?
balmy condor
yeh depends entirely what gets parried
bleak spoke
if envenom gets parried it won't spend the combo points you just lose the global
it will burn your echoing combo point though
your bleeds can't be parried
slate crown
if envenom gets parried it won't spend the combo points you just lose the global
you also get the envenom buff 
bleak spoke
the two hits of mutilate each calc parry
and poison bomb trigger
if you get one
it's pretty troll
the parried muti hits calc crit for seal fate as well
but you don't get the combo point for the parried hit
heavy trail
How much worse is getting the talents on the bottom left vs the hybrid build? I am only asking watched a video I think where he says kinda better in lower keys. Been using the hybrid since i started on assassin pretty much. Just want to make sure I am diversifying what I know how to play 🙂. (Mainly for keys.)
severe sparrow
i made a wa that makes a banana peel slip noise when my kb is parried and i regret it
bleak spoke
it's really awkward to go down the left side imo
severe sparrow
living in ignorance was nicer
west crown
How much worse is getting the talents on the bottom left vs the hybrid build? I ...
Outdated video
Always hybrid
bleak spoke
shoutout to week 1 dawnbreaker when rashanan parried in key 
i was cloaking in the second phase and standing behind him in the dark after he landed 
balmy condor
How much worse is getting the talents on the bottom left vs the hybrid build? I ...
hybrid everywhere
spice spire
shoutout to week 1 dawnbreaker when rashanan parried in key <:KEKW:8398776441027...
I love rashanan 🙂
Love getting my shit parried 🙂
bleak spoke
it never parried in raid
brave onyx
quick question, maybe a dumb one but im fairly new to PVE rogue, in regards to the Sanguine Blades interaction, does it duplicate all applicable damage from ACTIVE Garrotes/ruptures/CTs while youre above 50%, or does it continue to deal the damage when you drop below 50% if it was cast while above the 50%
fallen moss
would parry show up in logs?
bleak spoke
yes
bleak spoke
with some abilities it's really obvious if you have 3 kb casts and 2 hits you know what happened already
etc
ebon cloud
spice spire
Esrafil is an OT fiend now
blazing jewel
Really hate that tw has something good
do you remember the socketed dagger in dragonflight
bleak spoke
there is no reason to do bc timewalking every time it's up
spice spire
do you remember the socketed dagger in dragonflight
Nah
bleak spoke
i definitely haven't done it every tier i've played this game
blazing jewel
I think it was a socketed dagger from firelands timewalking or something
blazing jewel
and we love that the offhand is a cosmetic item so that thing was 
blazing jewel
I remember legion timewalking m+
spamming the nelf/dh dungeon for that crit on use trinket
spice spire
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/rk60hiB.png surely this doesn't scale with mainstat and doesn't have equivalent power to sylvanas dagger in the offhand
eternal hawk
with changes now is bubbling wax better again than weapon oil?
spice spire
with changes now is bubbling wax better again than weapon oil?
No
It’s also buggy as fuck
eternal hawk
when will i ever get to save money
spice spire
<:SADGE:1271705055439093841> when will i ever get to save money
You still can
It’s just buggy as fuck
When it works it’s comparable
But not really better
And it’s just working on one weapon
So it’s fine to use tbh
bleak spoke
if you're looking to save money, hissing runes from dragonflight own in key
eternal hawk
spice spire
Personally I’ve been using one oil and one wax in keys
bleak spoke
i swear it's better than oil
spice spire
bleak spoke
oil is like 450 stats in crit and haste
spice spire
I think I have some extras
eternal hawk
im just curious for ovinax prog
spice spire
spice spire
I would not for mythic ovinax
bleak spoke
^
eternal hawk
but mythicc ):
spice spire
Whetstones pal
drifting cloud
spice spire
You still rawdogging ovinax ryler?
drifting cloud
I was sat on worm but its dead
spice spire
Hell yeah
brave comet
what is better for mythic dungeons, ramp up, or burst damage?
old sequoia
in m+ my details mostly seems ok other than caustic. it's around 10% right now - any ideas?
spice spire
Likely burst
spice spire
in m+ my details mostly seems ok other than caustic. it's around 10% right now -...
It did get a slight nerf today
earnest remnant
I was sat on worm but its dead
you rawdogging princess?
spice spire
Depending on pulls
spice spire
you rawdogging princess?
Call me princess
drifting cloud
you rawdogging princess?
I use protection (elusiveness)
earnest remnant
you ready to play sub on court?
drifting cloud
nope im gonna play assa
spice spire
you ready to play sub on court?
Delete this nephew
drifting cloud
wf kill had assa dont @ me
spice spire
@drifting cloud
rich lagoon
!crafting
earnest remnant
he also said that, that might have been a mistake dont @ me
spice spire
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
spice spire
@earnest remnant
earnest remnant
drifting cloud
its ok assa is buffed
earnest remnant
so was sub
drifting cloud
oh its 6am
earnest remnant
drifting cloud
link vault
spice spire
so was sub
Nice bp gains
drifting cloud
nice dagger that you worked hard for!
earnest remnant
smd
drifting cloud
hmm rude
pliant remnant
drifting cloud
hard choices all around
balmy condor
call me this vault
spice spire
call me this vault
Ok this vault
earnest remnant
gonna commit warcrimes
if you think about this is what i have
then veyr much YES
spice spire
Shot #9
drifting cloud
how are u same ilvl as me man
spice spire
if you think about this is what i have
Yeah I wasn’t being cute
spice spire
Figured you were squee’s on daggers
earnest remnant
how are u same ilvl as me man
id be 626.5 if it wasent for shit loot drops
earnest remnant
had to recraft
spice spire
I’m so sorry bud
balmy condor
true
earnest remnant
due to them
drifting cloud
recraft what??
cinder grotto
When people say ascendance/patch what exactly is "patch"?
balmy condor
When people say ascendance/patch what exactly is "patch"?
writhing band
cinder grotto
ty
earnest remnant
recraft what??
we kept getting belt drops and 0 wrists it got so bad that my highest upgrade was to send crest to crafted wrists
drifting cloud
what the hell
strange python
Hmm, which would you take with Skardyn's? ^^
spice spire
Wait who is this
balmy condor
china guild
drifting cloud
china
spice spire
Bruh
night cipher
Hmm, which would you take with Skardyn's? ^^
I’m a fan of the crystal, not a fan of the spyglass
drifting cloud
in their defense the boss is stupid hard
on top of the china 16h pulling boss never stopping strat
think it has to be turbo rare that like wr4-10 would have more pulls than actual wf on a boss
balmy condor
yeah china strat is just smash head into brick until brick crumbles
they always have ludicrous pull counts
drifting cloud
even FSY is at 450
hallow pelican
They need lots of data for those AHK scripts
drifting cloud
and ID just killed it at 430
wispy epoch
Sorry to interrupt but want some thoughts…. If I never step a day into a mythic raid and only get my gear from keys and heroic raid, what would you suggest for my gilded crest crafting pieces? Was thinking of recrafting belt and wrists, but feels like m+ I’m constantly sitting below the health threshold for the current embellishments I have.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/moon-guard/Nontoxic
runic hinge
Craft a dagger if you’re getting guilded and not doing mythic raid
wispy epoch
Ascended embellish then? With 2x wrists?
glass mango
jsut take regicide and do free upgrade super legit trick
What’s this free upgrade seen someone else mention it. How do you do it
balmy prism
lol myth track sacbrood on both the rogue and pala
distant plinth
!fuu
balmy prism
is it any decent for assa? sim queues are long
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
runic hinge
Ascended embellish then? With 2x wrists?
Depends on how high you’re doing keys and if you care about single target
slate crown
i need to get gilded crests
balmy condor
Sorry to interrupt but want some thoughts…. If I never step a day into a mythic ...
idk, your dawnthread uptime looks pretty good
runic hinge
But you could double dawnthread wrists and belt still but if your only chance for a mythic dagger is from a vault you should craft one imo
spice spire
i need to get gilded crests
You need to get some bitches
slate crown
You need to get some bitches
you have no god damn idea
runic hinge
Same on both
spice spire
Ur so real le
wispy epoch
idk, your dawnthread uptime looks pretty good
Are people logging my keys 😭
balmy condor
yes
slate crown
I killed heroic court in a pug, then we pulled queen once and the raid collapsed
brave comet
was todays patch a nerf to assassination?
wispy epoch
It’s so embarrassing kyaaaaaa~
slate crown
we one shot court too
runic hinge
was todays patch a nerf to assassination?
Pins
balmy condor
you ran a mists at 9:40 today with a 90% uptime, 1pm was a 80% uptime, the mists from an hour ago was over 90% uptime
cerulean nest
any of the timewalking trinkets good?
drifting cloud
yeah court got nerfed and queen just deletes pugs all difficulty is p1
wispy epoch
you ran a mists at 9:40 today with a 90% uptime, 1pm was a 80% uptime, the mists...
Gotcha, it’s usually good if I have my disc priest with me
Otherwise I get cooked
crisp stream
Simc shows to equip, 2 on use trinkets. Skardyns and queens mandate. is it worth it?
other only option from vault is harvesters edict, any suggestions?
balmy condor
Gotcha, it’s usually good if I have my disc priest with me
unironically I think the worst uptime I'm finding in random logs is with the disc priest
but even that is like 74%
wispy epoch
unironically I think the worst uptime I'm finding in random logs is with the dis...
Wow… I knew he was bad
Jk uhhh
Ty for looking
Anything else stand out?
spice spire
Simc shows to equip, 2 on use trinkets. Skardyns and queens mandate. is it worth...
Sim is right
East on use combo
balmy condor
Anything else stand out?
I have no clue I just dived straight to dawnthread uptime
pastel ermine
is it illegal to craft x2 daggers since i cant get a second dagger drop?
scenic nacelle
is it illegal to craft x2 daggers since i cant get a second dagger drop?
!oh
prisma monolithBOT
Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.
crisp stream
East on use combo
so use skarydns with cds and queen towards the end? how does it work?
wispy epoch
Oh question about being a night elf
drifting cloud
crafting a 2nd dagger is doing to be a bad way to use crests
scenic nacelle
is it illegal to craft x2 daggers since i cant get a second dagger drop?
oh doesnt really matter too much
scenic nacelle
since all your damage comes from your main hand
pastel ermine
not rlly worth to craft a second dagger then?
scenic nacelle
no
spice spire
so use skarydns with cds and queen towards the end? how does it work?
Skardyns with CDs is self explanatory.
Once icd is done send mandate because it deals “fuck you” damage
wispy epoch
Is there any nelf cheese to get an extra ambush or re enter stealth mid fight for bleed spread
spice spire
Trinket is strong
balmy condor
idk damage breakdown seems okay just taking a glance, env ct caustic top 3, rup gar sang
looks fine
balmy condor
Is there any nelf cheese to get an extra ambush or re enter stealth mid fight fo...
yes
you would need to nelf, then go into stealth from that
it's very inconsistent
trail jacinth
any of the timewalking trinkets good?
Id like to know aswell xd
balmy condor
and doesn't work on bosses
faint vessel
so uhh, just for the sake of asking, others have gotten skardyns to drop with sin loot spec? (i know, its available for all, just tinfoil hat things now)
crisp stream
Skardyns with CDs is self explanatory.
Once icd is done send mandate because it ...
thanks for the info bud, appriciate it
spice spire
so uhh, just for the sake of asking, others have gotten skardyns to drop with si...
Yes
faint vessel
thanks
wispy epoch
and doesn't work on bosses
But in middle of a trash pack it does?
faint vessel
all I needed
plucky plover
So for BiS trinkets, I'm seeing a lot of great points. Skardyn's is amazing to use with CD's and I wouldn't want anything else for on use, but as for the passive I can't figure out which one to use. Guides list Dead eye as BiS but Sac is very good too and I don't which one of the two I should farm
spice spire
thanks for the info bud, appriciate it
No gl buddy
balmy condor
But in middle of a trash pack it does?
yes
wispy epoch
So just /cast shadowmeld
/cast Stealth
As a macro and spam it?
plucky plover
Dead eye seems to mostly be a lot of crit, whereas Sac is a ton of agility and passive damage
runic hinge
crafting a 2nd dagger is doing to be a bad way to use crests
I’m gonna use all my sparks on daggers and have ten daggers. Then what
keen rover
Im hearing sacbrood got nerfed?
drifting cloud
I’m gonna use all my sparks on daggers and have ten daggers. Then what
shove the extras up your butt
wispy epoch
I was being told by a keystone 11/12 runner that his rogue usually specs into 2 vanishes, but it’s like a 3-4 point investment to get there from the usual popular talent specs
Assassin too
runic hinge
!vanish
prisma monolithBOT
Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:
- Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
- Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied
As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.
latent badger
vault day vault day yippee etc
balmy condor
moo deng my goat
latent badger
yo sim is saying that an ilvl upgrade stitchflesh dagger offhand with same enchant is a dps loss, what's up w that?
balmy condor
link sim
novel star
but whispyr you dont understAND thats the dagger u put in the bis list
wispy epoch
Ever since I stopped alt tabbing to spread rupture garrote more efficiently, my dps has sky rocketed….
novel star
why is every ilvl not worth 1%
oak tangle
to take you back a few hours, just make a pin, that they have to react to to be able to type, set them off on the right foot of knowing where the pins button is
latent badger
but whispyr you dont understAND thats the dagger u put in the bis list
not what I'm getting at 😭
balmy condor
I was being told by a keystone 11/12 runner that his rogue usually specs into 2 ...
there's a pin on that
pearl mountain
I can't take Skardyn's, right ? that would be very short term
novel star
its literally just neutral
quartz lance
yea im just shitposting
Wouldn’t be a class discord without shitposting ngl
latent badger
word
novel star
if the enchant was bugging out or sometihng it would go down by a lot more than 0.1
balmy condor
I can't take Skardyn's, right ? that would be very short term
yeh reasonable myth track take
wispy epoch
there's a pin on that
Ty
quartz lance
Ngl I would take Skardyn’s just because I’m going dry af and want to get out of grim batol jail
pearl mountain
Ngl I would take Skardyn’s just because I’m going dry af and want to get out of ...
word
wispy epoch
from the r1 assa
lol
quartz lance
I still can't decide between spyglass or sac
Just loot Queen’s mandate Kappa
pearl mountain
yeh reasonable myth track take
would you take tier or Haste/ M boots ?
oak tangle
my choice was easy tier shoulders
pearl mountain
correct
runic hinge
shove the extras up your butt
That might hurt
drifting cloud
you cant put a price on mental saved outside of grim batol
plucky plover
Just loot Queen’s mandate Kappa
Like this?
balmy condor
not myth track
oak tangle
would you take tier or Haste/ M boots ?
always myth track, saves crests, and hero gear can be farmed
balmy condor
this guy doesn't even play in a top 6 guild
distant plinth
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
runic hinge
you cant put a price on mental saved outside of grim batol
That’s why I took a hero one from vault today
runic hinge
oak tangle
WHY IS THE GIF GONE
plucky plover
I don't even play in a top 6000 guild
drifting cloud
That’s why I took a hero one from vault today
good
novel star
devout schooner
What is the BiS Trinket combo for m+?
rain wraith
Pants or trink. already have hero skardyn and Myth track Crystal of Anub'ikkaj. sims doesnt recommend either
novel star
Me when I ask someone what dn is
deez fuckin nuts man
indigo crypt
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
devout schooner
Pants or trink. already have hero skardyn and Myth track Crystal of Anub'ikkaj. ...
you have the excat situation as me and the exact same vault lol
spice spire
Pants or trink. already have hero skardyn and Myth track Crystal of Anub'ikkaj. ...
I’d take sac personally but if you’re gonna kill mythic queen
Cba
quartz lance
this guy doesn't even play in a top 6 guild
I haven’t slept so at first I was like dafuq you mean - And then I clocked what you meant as a meme 😂
wispy epoch
y'all fuck with burning wax?
pliant remnant
spice spire
Yeah it’s fine
oak tangle
Pants or trink. already have hero skardyn and Myth track Crystal of Anub'ikkaj. ...
sac is rarer
pliant remnant
Ah for fuck's sake, back to Grim Batol
runic hinge
y'all fuck with burning wax?
No that sounds painful
wispy epoch
haha
rain wraith
sac is rarer
Yeah leaning towards the same
nocturne quail
is there a spark this week ?
rain wraith
but i got this last vault
spice spire
is there a spark this week ?
Should be
rain wraith
idk if sac is that much better
quartz lance
I’m sat at the airport waiting for my flight and gonna check vault because I’m a degen …
wispy epoch
idk if sac is that much better
it 100% is
oak tangle
but i got this last vault
easy ilvl and free upgrade on your trinkets
quartz lance
Work trip for a conference but you bet your ass I’m not missing mythic raid tonight
runic hinge
It hardens on it y’know
Stop
quartz lance
Hotel WiFi is BiS
slate crown
It hardens on it y’know
rain wraith
on ST patchwerk sims are saying Empowering crystal with transmitter over Sac
nocturne quail
my sac simming low too
quartz lance
The problem with bloodmallet is that it’s assuming full BiS. If you’re not full BiS, sim it
It might not be better than spyglass for YOU specifically
balmy prism
makes sense
quartz lance
You don’t take sac for the damage component. You take it for mainstat
wispy epoch
spyglass and skardyn's stay consistent overall
oak tangle
chances of myth legs either tier or not to catalyse is higher than getting a sacbrood in vault again
nocturne quail
if it sim lower it sim lower
runic hinge
https://tenor.com/view/metapod-pokemon-cute-anime-gif-17250357
Don’t encourage him
spice spire
Don’t encourage him
Mf I’m gonna encourage you if you sass me again
balmy prism
So how do you weigh the extra mainstat into splat in m+ vs something like deadeye which just gives crit? since dungeon splice sims ain't it?
rain wraith
Meh i'll take Sacbrood. can just catalyst pants from first boss if they drop tonight
quartz lance
I actually pulled trinket from Queen 2nd week in a row. Cursed vault. I want my ring from Queen 💔
rain wraith
Also outlaw bis incase i get a fist wep
wispy epoch
kinda falls off in 5+ patchwerk
rain wraith
where u getting that list
balmy prism
that list sounds fish
pure raptor
Bloddmallet
rain wraith
So it would be Sacbrood for Raids and Empowering crystal for m+ then i guess
since they are my only myth track trinkets
oak tangle
put on some steal daggers
quartz lance
didnt they patch it out or something
Pins
wispy epoch
put on some steal daggers
what's that...
thorn fjord
Anyone know if the empowering crystal trinket drops an orb you gotta pick up or do you just get the buff from a proc
keen spruce
balmy prism
Anyone know if the empowering crystal trinket drops an orb you gotta pick up or ...
proc
wispy epoch
Anyone know if the empowering crystal trinket drops an orb you gotta pick up or ...
skard's shard?
worthy surge
with the buffs would we want to stack more mastery as sin ?
wispy epoch
when something dies near you
runic basin
oh no...
wispy epoch
behemoth's eroded cinch obv
balmy prism
yuh or kiss of death
pastel ermine
thats a kiss of death angle
balmy prism
seal lol
wispy epoch
seal of poisoned pact is bis till you get the next tier
skardyn's is the bis trinket
balmy prism
yeah
wispy epoch
the poison ring only does like 1.3% of my dmg
runic basin
sims say cloak bcs my is 610 
static glacier
the poison ring only does like 1.3% of my dmg
1.3% of ur dmg from a cantrip effect is v powerful
wispy epoch
1.3% of ur dmg from a cantrip effect is v powerful
vs mythic track bis trinket that'll do like 10%
visual moth
Can people feel the buffs?
pliant remnant
I can feel the power surging through me
wispy epoch
Can people feel the buffs?
buoyant mortar
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pliant remnant
All of the tips on my body are vibrating
static glacier
vs mythic track bis trinket that'll do like 10%
What do you think the difference is between a hero and myth track skardyns in sims?
0.8%
wispy epoch
What do you think the difference is between a hero and myth track skardyns in si...
ST sims, probably not much
static glacier
🙂
Now the chances of seeing skardyns again are low enough that you’d take it for long term
dense lodge
Rogues absolutely popping off
wispy epoch
but if he gets a crit/mast ring myth track the following weak, that'll be a close competitor to the poison ring
static glacier
But that depends on you getting the ring
wispy epoch
week*
static glacier
but if he gets a crit/mast ring myth track the following weak, that'll be a clos...
Ilvl on rings is dogshit
Utterly dogshit
No way 13 ilvls on a ring is remotely close to the cantrip dmg
solid venture
i guess blizz really wants me to pick a tier piece huh
static glacier
We already established 13 ilvls on our bis trinket is close to half the cantrip damage
wispy epoch
We already established 13 ilvls on our bis trinket is close to half the cantrip ...
cantrip dmg is ST
the mastery on the bis trinket is for all
dmg done
so ehhhh
static glacier
Do you value aoe dps more than st?
wispy epoch
is that a trick question
static glacier
In terms of speeding a key up bosses are the bottleneck in a lot of cases
It always comes down to finishing the high hp mobs in a key, which unless ur groups dmg profile is super funnel focused will have you spending a lot of time STing, be it bosses or otherwise
Don’t be so quick to write off st dps
grave rivet
How are you guys dealing with that stupid darkest night bug? I'm spamming 7CPs but that shit sometimes doesn't register and I lose the buff. Should I just save vanish* for it?
static glacier
As for the vault ring is the bigger immediate upgrade but trink is irreplaceable / unlikely to be seen again
I’d go trink unless you need immediate power
oak tangle
aint no way bosses are a bottleneck for keys, obviously you have to live and survive the boss. but trash is far higher percentage of time
elder spire
yo guys do i take arakara even tho i have those little bad boys?
oak tangle
yo guys do i take arakara even tho i have those little bad boys?
what are your other choices
elder spire
what are your other choices
its just tierset hands and random wrists
oak tangle
i'd probs take the tier set tbh
balmy prism
avoidance hyuge
also jesus christ how carried is everyone else in their vaults I've gotten sockets the last 2 weeks
static glacier
yo guys do i take arakara even tho i have those little bad boys?
only issue is spyglass can be troll on aoe
idk if it's worth correcting with an entire vault choice though
trail jacinth
Anything useful from ulduar tw?
oak tangle
also jesus christ how carried is everyone else in their vaults I've gotten socke...
didn't get a 10 done until last week, can't honestly recall what loot i got
hasty sierra
Are there any known bugs that would make it so spatter stops applying at all? Mine stopped workign mid raid and now I can't even get the debuff up on a target dummy
balmy condor
do you have poisons on
oak tangle
did you weapon poisons drop off?
hasty sierra
I'm stupid and I want to never talk again
somber sparrow
i went for internal bleeding on rashanan since my caustic never hits adds. I think I forgot to refresh some bleeds before he flew away and so my uptime wasn't what it should have been. Any other tips? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LtYJ1R8XTwVbCxDF#fight=14&type=damage-done&source=9
hasty sierra
Thank you all
balmy condor
classic
sick abyss
😂
somber sparrow
drurin, we've all been there
there's a weakaura to annoy you if you don't have poisons
oak tangle
there is a reason i have big fuck off text in an aura telling me i have no poisons
hasty sierra
Will be getting that lol, normally I'm good about keeping them up
oak tangle
be kinda laughable if i made a weak aura that blacked out my screen except for the action buttons where the poisons are
somber sparrow
haha
hasty sierra
Wait no, they only dropped because I swapped spec. Its not working when I have poisons on
oak tangle
are you talented into caustic
balmy condor
hasty sierra
Yes I just checked, also tried changing it to the other node and back
balmy condor
do you have a video or logs
oak tangle
are you pressing mutilate
hasty sierra
I have logs and I can screenshare it if needed
balmy condor
send the log
hasty sierra
yeah hitting mutilate
So the last few pulls of this log was when I noticed ithttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yAXdCKzh49jbvP8J
somber sparrow
caustic does require rupture
balmy condor
hasty sierra
That's weird though, I definitely had rupture up in raid. I'll have to look closer to make sure I'm not insane
somber sparrow
which is why you don't want to mutilate a second add which could switch caustic to that one
hasty sierra
I completely forgot about rupture while testing it, thought I was just oging crazy. My dps tanked like 400k in pull and I wasn't sure why lol
hasty sierra
Well, thanks again guys. I'm gonna go find a weak aura and try to live down the shame
balmy condor
poisoned target
is kinda like
VERY VERY large
I think when last I simmed no-poison application it was -60% or something
oak tangle
Well, thanks again guys. I'm gonna go find a weak aura and try to live down the ...
if you use plater, i use a modified version of whispyr's one which makes the mobs hp bar go green if it has spatter
balmy condor
was very funny
lone lava
Am still dropping vile tincture buff on ST, nice change
balmy condor
skill issue
oak tangle
Well, thanks again guys. I'm gonna go find a weak aura and try to live down the ...
my modifications to it, make the nameplates have a yellow border that indicates if it is not ruptured
south prawn
Yo guys, is there a set piece we wanna generally stay away from? (For example: chest?)
balmy condor
(it definitely can still drop, that's just how it works)
it's 25%
so
you'll get drops
balmy condor
Yo guys, is there a set piece we wanna generally stay away from? (For example: c...
chest technically but it's an insanely small min max
south prawn
myth helm shoulders and chest tier all popped up in vault lmao
thinking head is the smart option since i wanna play outlaw as well
balmy condor
sure yolo
oak tangle
on top of that, the helm i believe is furthest into raid to get
clever socket
do we have 2nd spark today ?
south prawn
appreciate your videos whispyr btw good shit
wispy epoch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dXad17Axx2yxoHE9i8vNzj why is haste simming so high for me :<
aoe spec?
err hybrid spec
balmy condor
wispy epoch
😠
balmy condor
you have to play hide and seek to even get to the stat weights page
stop it
what are you doing
wispy epoch
ok but
balmy condor
haste is a good stat
wispy epoch
why is the stonevault neck simming higher than the crit/mast mists neck
balmy condor
we don't have a bad stat
balmy condor
because it be like that
balmy prism
why is the stonevault neck simming higher than the crit/mast mists neck
because stats have diminishing returns most likely, or it just be like that
wispy epoch
because stats have diminishing returns most likely, or it just be like that
in tier 1??
balmy condor
you have a crit trinket and 2 heavy crit rings
oak tangle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dXad17Axx2yxoHE9i8vNzj why is haste simmi...
craft urself a gilded dagger pls sir
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
balmy condor
we have bot commands for this shit
balmy prism
in tier 1??
yes you can absolutely hit those breakpoints in this tier, lots of shit have absurd amount of a single stat like the very rare neck from raid etc
wispy epoch
balmy condor
it's not even the in-game DR
like those exist
but who gives a shit
it's just like
you have 20% crit
20->21% crit
is not as good
as 1% haste
because multipliers
and math
oak tangle
just keep in mind, that stat number and stat percent are not always linked. in the terms that blizard can rescale it
wispy epoch
i just wanna do big dammy
wispy epoch
step 1, get a hero or higher main hand
done
now what
dont look at my enchants
im poor
wispy epoch
:0
oak tangle
the only stat weight i put my faith in is weapon dps
wispy epoch
oak tangle
and agi
sour oasis
!fuu
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modest gale
is this trinket good ?
oak tangle
easy left
oak tangle
prop trinket?
tawdry crypt
prob*
oak tangle
oh, yeah dead eye is kinda best 2nd trinket
ara kara technically wins in ST but not by enough that my mental is worth
something like sub 5k dps
probs even less
carmine moth
Do we have a “Look at my log and help me not suck” kind of channel in here?
oak tangle
slam it
minor dagger
Do we even know how much of a buff/nerf we got in st / aoe?
rotund oak
hot fulcrum
Do we even know how much of a buff/nerf we got in st / aoe?
pins
oak tangle
Do we have a “Look at my log and help me not suck” kind of channel in here?
link us your log
grim vigil
after todays tuning did something change in builds guys? like do we now always use poison build?
carmine moth
link us your log
Will do after raid tonight, was just curious if we had a specific place for it. But thanks a lot in advance 😊
oak tangle
nah, i don't know what ranks can do it, but worst case just tag whisper and ask him to make a thread for you
i thought i recalled community figures being able to do it
but not sure
carmine moth
Thank you for your help, I will keep that in mind
oak tangle
first point of call is to read the guide though, for glaring mistakes, but there's a bunch of people here happy to take a look for things
carmine moth
Have read both the icy and maxroll and looked at some of the top performers logs, as well as parse goblin, but can’t seem to figure out why I still only do mediocre logs. But hopefully someone can roast me later haha
oak tangle
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oak tangle
wowhead one is written by whispyr
static glacier
i went for internal bleeding on rashanan since my caustic never hits adds. I th...
stop pressing fan on st with VV talented
small sequoia
hey guys, need some opinions here. I am in a situation where I am unlucky with mythic dagger drops. I have 90 gilded crests, and have 636 rune-branded Armbands, and 619 Rune-Branded Kickers. Should I craft the 636 Everforged Stabber?
static glacier
hey guys, need some opinions here. I am in a situation where I am unlucky with m...
yes
oak tangle
don't see why not, other than if you're hoping to upgrade trinkets or something
brisk forge
hey guys, need some opinions here. I am in a situation where I am unlucky with m...
100% dagger
small sequoia
ah okay got it. Which embelishment should i use, given i already have 2 dawnthread lining for the bracers and feet?
oak tangle
if you plan to keep dawnthread, craft an empty dagger
brisk forge
ah okay got it. Which embelishment should i use, given i already have 2 dawnthre...
Can only have 2
honest needle
can some 1 whos good with simming help me for a sec plz
small sequoia
ah okay. I will likely out grow the 619 runebranded kickers next week, since i already have a hero gear in my bag.
oak tangle
you can always recraft the dagger later to add an embellishment
small sequoia
ah ok
tawdry sedge
do we get a spark this week?
small sequoia
makes alot of sense. thank you!
hot fulcrum
do we get a spark this week?
yes
fiery forge
Do we want to deathmark 1st Or Kingsbane sorry if it is noob question
glad osprey
fiery forge
Ye OK so I was doing it correctly 😂
knotty canopy
Is dungeonslice still the way to go for us to sim m+?
kindred hinge
The short answer is yes
honest needle
right now i have 619 crafted wrist and 636 crafted weapon should i use my gilded to upgrade my crafted wrist or should i craft my waist or upgrade my tier gear first or my bis neck ? I cant decide what to use my gilded on first ?
grim vigil
right now i have 619 crafted wrist and 636 crafted weapon should i use my gilde...
the short and "non sim" answer which is risky would be go for the highest agility gain since your main hand is already 636
oak tangle
Do we want to deathmark 1st Or Kingsbane sorry if it is noob question
envenom - deathmark - shiv - kingsbane
ensures perfect overlap of cd's and uptime on buffs
grim vigil
having a weakaura which makes shiv glow when to use it is a blessing
honest needle
@grim vigil well i dont even have crafted belt yet so do i make that at 636 or upgrade my crafted wrist to 636 first
grim vigil
whats the ilvl of current belt?
honest needle
or my upgrade my hero gear I cant decidde i been going crazy
619
with crit haste
grim vigil
and your crafted wrist ilvl?
honest needle
this is my current gear https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3xScGKHJTiTsoze1eC5Syk
619
latent pike
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grim vigil
this is my current gear https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3xScGKHJTiTsoze1e...
i would go for belt
fallen ginkgo
well hello there
grim vigil
but sim yourself
honest needle
@grim vigil i sent u a pm so i dont have to spam chat if u dont mind
subtle tundra
how many sparks total are available
honest needle
4 almost i think
fathom bone
hot fulcrum
3,5 + 0,5 starting today. so yeah 4
kindred hinge
Do one delve and you will get your catch up splinter
molten echo
Is sims overvaluing spelunkers candle trinket somehow? I noticed it says something like 6700 crit proc in the sim but it’s a lot lower ingame. My 619 sims better than a 619 spyglass which is why i’m wondering
kindred hinge
Or one key
blazing badge
copper monolith
my god
blazing badge
Thinking about taking weapon
Cause it can be upgraded to 639 🙂
Shoulders are also an upgrade from hero 619 to myth 623
What do you think?
slate crown
If you have no other means of getting a myth track wep easily
blazing badge
No other means 100%
slate crown
Oh, right, craft isn’t max
brisk plank
Guys how do changes feel in m+ higher keys today?
slate crown
Then sim, myth track shoulders are appealing because you don’t have other access to myth track
subtle tundra
Guys how do changes feel in m+ higher keys today?
youll do some better st
slate crown
But technically you can gain 3 ilvl on my
subtle tundra
around 5% better
slate crown
Mh*, which isn’t much but it’s still a good pick
blazing badge
Mh*, which isn’t much but it’s still a good pick
Doing raidbots sim with max upgrades on vault items
slate crown
My criteria for vault is always about using it to get things that are otherwise hard for you to get, not necessarily what gives you the most damage for the selection. I don’t have a mythic raid group so I’m in a similar boat
brisk plank
youll do some better st
Hows feel in aoe? Pretty much the same?
royal lantern
eh, mythic chet i guess
royal lantern
Hows feel in aoe? Pretty much the same?
can you "feel" 1%
calm garnet
pretty stoked ngl
royal lantern
Ring aint bad either
chest only drops from broodtwister
and idk if we kill her more then 2 times
before prog save
brisk plank
can you "feel" 1%
Idk if its 1%, Im asking how it is ingame
runic hinge
@balmy condor which profile version should i be on
grim jay
chest only drops from broodtwister
Oh ye true
royal lantern
Idk if its 1%, Im asking how it is ingame
again
can you feel 1% lol
and if your answer is yes, you are on peak copium 
grim jay
pretty stoked ngl
If that would be heroic
blazing badge
wispy epoch
sorry if this keeps getting asked, but do we have a list of abilities feint and evasion work against?
subtle tundra
idk you probably can get 10% dps by playing slightly better
i definetly can
i know how bad i play and i still do amazing numbers
grim jay
idk you probably can get 10% dps by playing slightly better
i definetly can
You can also lose 10% by playing worse
Which is less effort
blazing badge
639 weapon gives me more than 639 shoulders
calm garnet
If that would be heroic <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
yeah, my box failed.
subtle tundra
You can also lose 10% by playing worse
noted. thats my cope ty
wispy epoch
:<
oak tangle
we used to have one
grim jay
noted. thats my cope ty
You know I'm always there for you
blazing badge
My criteria for vault is always about using it to get things that are otherwise ...
raidbots says to take weapon by a little margin
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> which profile version should i be on
5.2.2-28
blazing badge
My criteria for vault is always about using it to get things that are otherwise ...
max upgrade current shoulders vs 639 vault shoulders, max upgraded current weapons vs 639 vault weapon.
brisk plank
again
can you feel 1% lol
Again, sims still arent accurate so idk if its really 1% and thats why Im asking how it is ingame. If you havent tried you can say so, if you did you can also say it
fast mural
So actually we did got a bit nerfed in AoE, How you guys feeling on ST?
oak tangle
Again, sims still arent accurate so idk if its really 1% and thats why Im asking...
i think he's trying to say, its not noticeable, and just playing the game, if you notice it then it's likely variance
fast mural
Nice
balmy condor
Again, sims still arent accurate so idk if its really 1% and thats why Im asking...
they have been updated I'm editing the pin atm
pliant remnant
My heart is aflutter every time a boss waltzes up
sharp viper
vault wants me to get a new trinket
slate crown
max upgrade current shoulders vs 639 vault shoulders, max upgraded current weapo...
then it’s kind of up to you. I think the weapon is the technical correct answer but because you already have crafted you’re already in a good place. I don’t know what I’d pick.
pliant remnant
vault wants me to get a new trinket
brisk plank
they have been updated I'm editing the pin atm
Awesome. Overall good changes then, glad we are performing bit better in st
balmy condor
pastel ermine
if you got 8/8 champion gear and a 1/6 hero track drops is it soulbound?
chilly mist
yeah just ilvl
kindred hinge
Sims says 0 upgrade in vault. Take trinket for possible tuning later on or sockets ?
balmy condor
socket
oak tangle
yeah is ilvl, had someone drop a trinket hero track at 613, and they already had hero 610. couldnt trade
subtle tundra
that trinket is not getting tuning lol
chilly mist
Is there any last boss quest for timewalking like there was for BT?
also, didnt mastery exist in ulduar or wtf
grim tree
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kindred elm
also, didnt mastery exist in ulduar or wtf
Came out in cata
lapis barn
@balmy condor Twin Fangs any good? Got Mythic Track one in vault but wasn't sure if I'd use over the alternatives that I have (Empowering Crystal / Transmitter / Void Reapers / Harvesters Edict) Main reason I'd take is to try out in m+ / on Broodtwister but from sims n that I feel like I'm better off just taking sockets since it'd be so niche
calm garnet
Is there any last boss quest for timewalking like there was for BT?
There is, and Wrathstone from Kologarn even at champ is a very strong trinket
solar orbit
Came out in cata
then is the gear only haste crit?
kindred hinge
Pre patch cata. Which allowed for some stupid thing in the prepatch on LK
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> Twin Fangs any good? Got Mythic Track one in vault but was...
no
hot fulcrum
why there is still no weekly for 4m+ and hero raid chest? It's again normal raid chest from timmewalking
kindred elm
then is the gear only haste crit?
No idea 🤷🏻♂️. I was just saying that when ulduar originally came out that mastery didn’t exist yet
chilly mist
There is, and Wrathstone from Kologarn even at champ is a very strong trinket
yeah looks pretty spicy, simming rn
chilly mist
There is, and Wrathstone from Kologarn even at champ is a very strong trinket
and ty, where is it obtained?
the quest
calm garnet
and ty, where is it obtained?
In the middle of WotLK dalaran, and the 619 Wrathstone for me is equiv to a 632 Skardyn's
calm garnet
if rng blesses you with a heroic from the box, its by far bis hands down me thinks
dense cloud
dajum
chilly mist
if rng blesses you with a heroic from the box, its by far bis hands down me thin...
yeah its a decent upgrade for me too, hate when they do this...
chilly mist
Some assa rogue just had a99 parse wtf
well someone has to get them
honest needle
trail spinner neck is bis right ?
im about to upgrade it to 639
so i wasnted to make sure
dense cloud
Imo looks like an easy crystal
not really if u have these bad boys
honest needle
some 1 said neck was very important for assasination is that true '?
royal lantern
no?
waxen oyster
trail spinner neck is bis right ?
bis is sikran mythic neck tbh
just because it has more stats
chilly mist
trail spinner neck is bis right ?
Think m+ yes?
meager aspen
More than 20 bountiful chest, still no ritual knife... Fml. No trinket in 3 weeks in vault too, am I cursed ?