assassination

[limber lion]

Sure

[cinder quartz]

open from stealth for iron wire from garrote, then ~10s later that falls off, you can blind for aoe 30% DR on mobs that can be blinded, then vanish garrote after that falls off

[stable cove]

If i use radiant power enchants in raid how much of a loss is that

[limber lion]

Not too much

Probably less than 1%

[wispy epoch]

Ooooh right

[limber lion]

You can sim it

[stable cove]

also look, mythic brood pug 2 dropped and i was only rogue xd

[wispy epoch]

People are pugging Mythic brood?

[feral mason]

blood he means

[stable cove]

blood yeah

[spice spire]

Blood drops the dagger

[wispy epoch]

I was gonna shit myself

[spice spire]

Brood is big worm lady

Yeah

[wispy epoch]

G’huun

[fleet pagoda]

be the greatest pug of all time

[neat pulsar]

plague dmg is duplicated by splatter ?

[spice spire]

Not big into gooning tbh, ty for the offer tho

[quiet oar]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[wispy epoch]

Edge?

[balmy condor]

yes

[stable cove]

what does deleting models do for the wa appearance? will it effect functionality

[balmy condor]

depends entirely on the WA

and what they use the model for

[stable cove]

im using afenar n i love it but heard it uses models

[balmy condor]

cosmetic

[cold sparrow]

Thanks cleared a lot up! Just another question regarding 3), getting ruptures up, ct into KB.
When KB is ready we just apply rupture to main target? or try to spread rupture to 5 for Scent of Blood? My first guess would be only main target since otherwise I would be holding KB for too long?
And much appreciated thanks! 🙏

[balmy condor]

I deleted the models out of my version of it

[stable cove]

swag

[balmy condor]

I mean you can do both

[spice spire]

I did enjoy the edge of night dagger

So ig that works

[balmy condor]

you can hit KB and then go back to spreading ruptures if you really want

but generally it's just energy -> kb

[cold sparrow]

aah ok got it, thanks!

[cinder quartz]

i legit have no clue what the models even do in afenar. they're disabled by default

[hexed canopy]

what flask are you guys using? sims are saying i should use mastery instead of chaos

[balmy condor]

he uses it for backlighting/glow

[balmy condor]

chaos

[hexed canopy]

alrighty

[spice spire]

Chaos 🙂

[oblique plover]

Make sure to keep using chaos till it says mastery though

[cinder quartz]

weird, tried doing a side by side with on and off and didn't even notice lol. oh well, bye bye glows

[grim jay]

you delete yourself out of your version?

[spice spire]

Real

[spice spire]

Settle down kitten

[fallow canopy]

get in line bud

[grim jay]

you can settle DN

[spice spire]

You wish

[grim jay]

at the time ive been in line 99% of you werent even on this discord

[severe sparrow]

does luxthos use models? i havent checked mine cuz i forget about this whole issue when im home gaming

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

it gave me back like 45 fps in town lmao

all of a sudden had 230 fps flying around

was lit

[cinder quartz]

i mean visually it was nothing noticable

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's background glows

[cinder quartz]

just on combo points, but its on 7 of em so yikes

[balmy condor]

nothing impactful

[thorn crater]

it does not change te dfferentiation for stealthed garrotes right?

just the backglow

[balmy condor]

it was just combo points/energy bar

has nothing to do with garrotes

[woven shore]

Whisp
Cloak doesnt work on Sikran third boss palace when she does the aoe dmg thing right?

[thorn crater]

ah ok

[balmy condor]

no, it's phys damage

[feral mason]

it does

[runic hinge]

The glows on the combo points were distracting

[woven shore]

Aaaah

[feral mason]

wait huh

[thorn crater]

can i grab it from wago again then is it updated?

[cinder quartz]

civil war

[woven shore]

Can i evade it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[feral mason]

i sear ive used it on the last second of the cast

*swear

[balmy condor]

which AoE are we talking about

[grim jay]

deleting old energy and cp bars alone was like 25fps for me in town

[feral mason]

the big circle around the boss when you need to run away

[cinder quartz]

Decimate you should be able to, sweeping strikes no

[woven shore]

The one when the boss reaches 100 energy

[balmy condor]

yeah

[runic hinge]

Yeah same

[balmy condor]

yeah the big everyone stack

that's phys

[thorn crater]

uhm i might be remembering wrong but didnt the spells get backglow whhen it was time to reapply?

[cinder quartz]

that's just a plain glow effect

[balmy condor]

that's a glow

not a model

[woven shore]

So i can press Evasion on it?

[balmy condor]

no

can't be dodged

[soft shale]

this makes me remember my boi mystler

[woven shore]

Okay tx

[soft shale]

what a champ

[cinder quartz]

i assume your best bet is just feint

[woven shore]

But reduced by feint?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[woven shore]

Okay tx

[spice surge]

Cloak works on sikrans aoe

[fading linden]

one question, should i always keep one charge of thistle tea in case of emergency?

[spice surge]

If you use it last second

1000%

[balmy condor]

what

[cinder quartz]

[balmy condor]

no

[limber lion]

first second of cloak immunity

[runic hinge]

Last second. Got it. I was running away

[limber lion]

love that mechanic

very clear what it works on what it doesn't

very demure'

[spice spire]

Oh GOD

[woven shore]

When she does the aoe thing do you use sprint with feint run around her and keep blasting ?

[spice spire]

I forgot this nifty bit

[fading linden]

so spend all of them, when low on energy

[balmy condor]

no

use them during shiv for energy

[spice surge]

Its also shadow, not physica

[severe sparrow]

personally i keep sprint on cd all fight long

[balmy condor]

what is that fucking fight

[feral mason]

ye eleem people were confusing stuff

[spice spire]

What is this emote

[spice surge]

But only first second of cloak works

[feral mason]

the aoe soak cant be immuned

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

ugly ass dog

[feral mason]

the aoe run away has to be cloaked but with the very first second of cloak (full immunity)

[spice spire]

It me

[severe sparrow]

i dont even know what palace is

[woven shore]

Thats how whisp looks during streams

[balmy condor]

very intuitive mechanic tbh

[woven shore]

[balmy condor]

love the part where the game tells me that the first second of cloak is stronger than the rest

and it's full immune

[limber lion]

love that for us

[balmy condor]

except when it isn't

[spice surge]

First boss of nw also has the first cloak immunity thing

[limber lion]

yeah with wretching

[spice spire]

Yes he does 🙂

[limber lion]

learnt that the other day

[balmy condor]

can't you evasion that one

[woven shore]

Yea last second of cloak blocks 200% dmg

[limber lion]

I just Evasion that shit

[spice spire]

It did not previously work like that

[limber lion]

Yeah

[spice surge]

You can indeed evasion

[limber lion]

You just Evade it

[spice spire]

And yes you can evasion

Before it was a cloaker 🙂

[limber lion]

Been pressing Evasion all of Shadowlands

Ain't stopping now

Even with the cloak tech

[coral ibex]

is that only on mythic

[balmy condor]

so you can evasion the thing but also cloak it but not cloak it early cause magic immunity is not magic immunity but super secret immunity is immunity and also dodge

GREAT

[severe sparrow]

just press both

[balmy condor]

MAKES SENSE

[runic hinge]

Just dodge it

[spice spire]

Also mistweavers dodge passive

[woven shore]

What is the topic anyway

[cinder quartz]

you can't immune it but you can cloak it

[runic hinge]

Stack dodge rating like it’s BC

[woven shore]

Lol

[spice spire]

Works on wretch 🙂

It’s such a fucked ability 🙂

[severe sparrow]

just stand behind the boss 4head

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

just stand on the boss so the boss spews on himself

and kills himself

[obtuse latch]

!fuu

[limber lion]

🆓

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

[thorn crater]

wasnt there a website showing what defensives work on which spells and bosses/abilities in raid/m+?

[cinder quartz]

who else is a Ki'katal shadowstep enjoyer

[woven shore]

Imagine there was a Talent that would cast Feint on aoe dmg taken

[limber lion]

Hasn't been for years

[woven shore]

[limber lion]

And won't be

You can use the Mage one

[severe sparrow]

get inside the boss so he doesnt even spew, your teammates will thank you

[limber lion]

It's pinned in wow-general

[severe sparrow]

oh fuck

ok

[limber lion]

but that's pretty much the only thing

[thorn crater]

uhm how does the mage one help?

[limber lion]

It doesn't

[thorn crater]

lol

[runic hinge]

Tells you what to vanish

[limber lion]

That's the only thing that tells you what to use defensives (vanish) on

everything else you gotta figure out yourself

[thorn crater]

so i assume its a pain to do sth like that

[runic hinge]

Huge pain

[limber lion]

It's a MASSIVE pain

[severe sparrow]

i mean in general idk

[limber lion]

And no one's getting paid to do it

[runic hinge]

Scroll up like two hours and you can see the chat about it

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

It’s uh

[limber lion]

We did it for a while, but with every new season, dozens of new mobs

[spice spire]

Yeah

[limber lion]

It's just so much work

For no gain whatsoever

[severe sparrow]

if it looks magic-y you probably cloak it, if it sounds like a smash you probably evade it

[limber lion]

We tried involving the community in it

but the community wasn't helping either at all

So it was just 3 or 4 guys rawdogging it

[spice spire]

They did for a season

[limber lion]

Well

[severe sparrow]

if you dont know and youre panicking you unironically hit both and feint

[limber lion]

They submitted like 8 things

[spice spire]

And then fucking dried up

[limber lion]

Out of like 90

[spice surge]

Yet they still always complained it was wrong

[spice spire]

Yeah

[grim jay]

@balmy condor is there a way to only increase the height of your cp bar ?

[balmy condor]

https://not-even-close.com/

there's also this I think

[spice spire]

I remember having a command

[balmy condor]

but idk how accurate it is

[spice spire]

For submitting

And people pressing it

[balmy condor]

yeah

[spice spire]

But then not submitting

[balmy condor]

under display somewhere

might be a group thing

[limber lion]

¨Gg

[balmy condor]

yeh

[limber lion]

Can't even use that talent

[balmy condor]

even the webpage who's whole job is to tell you if you can live a mechanic

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

just gave up

cause it's too jank and inconsistent

[limber lion]

love it

[spice spire]

Okay but what If there’s some deep conduit tech for living in sl dungeons

[severe sparrow]

like the deep conduit tech where mw were getting gimped by their own conduit cuz it was applying the jade bond modifier over their new talented one?

[spice spire]

Like mw having their conduits overwrite their actual talents

Yeah

[spice surge]

The pepsi was too slow

[balmy condor]

I like your funny words riley

[spice spire]

Man I’m on mobile and working

[severe sparrow]

im working too

[spice surge]

Paying taxes too i bet

[spice spire]

Vhisp ur an insane hater wth

[limber lion]

You're my favorite Reid

[severe sparrow]

your tax dollars pay my salary if youre in the US

thanks all

[bronze pike]

I get longer horse cause horse conduit

[grim jay]

seemingly doesnt want me to change anything but borders

[spice spire]

Damn wrong reply

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

dm me screenshots

of everything

[limber lion]

how the fuck

there's 2 replies above and below yours

??

idk

replying too hard ig

[spice spire]

True never respond to anything

[grim jay]

oh nvm, need to change it under group and custom grow, just numerically in the textblock

[limber lion]

I'll just yell into the void

[waxen field]

ive gotten spyglass and simming myself to see if i replace the contract trinket, but i wonder, what is the "uptime" for the contract buff in sims ? eg if i run a 5min single target sim, for how long in these 5min the <35%hp buff on the trinket is active ?

[balmy condor]

you're my second favorite Reid

[limber lion]

Whatever 35% is of the fight length.

[spice spire]

Damn whose ur first

[balmy condor]

Riley

[severe sparrow]

i like the contract cuz i like the little friends

[limber lion]

LMAO

that was an instant reply

[severe sparrow]

it would be hard for me to replace

[spice spire]

Wait Reid Riley or Riley Reid?

[limber lion]

he had that cocked

[balmy condor]

yeah

[spice spire]

He wishes

[balmy condor]

my girl riley got me through some tough times ya know

some hard times

[spice spire]

Riley Reid’s name actually comes from John C.’s character in Boogie Nights

[grim jay]

@balmy condor wish I could just read, but thats what years closing in on a decade on the rogue discord do to you

[spice spire]

I get the bit

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

yeh

there ya go

[spice spire]

Old

[grim jay]

tyvm for the update

didnt even know it was a thing

just suddenly noticed lower fps

[grim jay]

you too bestie

[spice spire]

Nah

[grim jay]

dog you are close to retirement

a few years and its joever

[balmy condor]

nice

[left loom]

its phisical dmg

[spice surge]

no

Its not

[rain wraith]

!spec

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[grim jay]

the close range thing might be

[spice surge]

Read the messages below

Its not

[rain wraith]

!talents

[spice surge]

Read the messages below the message that got replied to

[spice spire]

You’re literally retired bozo

[grim jay]

ah alright, its one of those again

[cinder quartz]

here's the feint sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11pHXdnZO8h6ce131nLAVA9ztvbgnm8yhvnZ-MyaFWcE/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[grim jay]

I wish mate

I still have

[tropic comet]

whats the soft cap for haste ?

[grim jay]

39 years

to work

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grim jay]

[limber lion]

There is no such thing

All stats have diminishing returns

[spice spire]

Can’t believe you’re gonna work until 112

[limber lion]

And those diminishing returns have multiple layers

[normal mist]

Hello guys i just pugged court HC and im happy

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

[normal mist]

Im 615, above me is 624 and below me is 626

i pressed my keys really hard

[tropic cedar]

that boomy is just gaslighting

dont mind him

big sandbagger energy

[slim pebble]

Does anyone recognize this WA pack

[river cipher]

... what level key

[wary hatch]

I have one noob question. Do we cast crimson tempest on single target?

[limber lion]

it's raid

not really

[river cipher]

I like the masque effect

[wispy epoch]

Am I cooked if I don’t mouse over macro my garrotes and ruptures?

And just spread from main target…

[keen spruce]

most people don't use MO macros

but they can be handy if you get used to them

[opaque mauve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[river cipher]

Not having MO macros is so lame why would you do that to yourself

[willow wren]

How tf do u make evasion on queensbane consistent on mythic princess

[keen spruce]

they're not that important

[willow wren]

You can pre cloak queensbane but cant cloak the debuff off after it's been applied even though it does shadow dmg... because its applied from a physical hit? which u can pre cloak?

[spice surge]

Wdym consistent

[echo island]

Could someone do a log review for me on mythic brood twister? I messed up biiiiiig time, but we killed it 🥲

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rc1tmYLbgD7vHQ86#fight=37&type=damage-done&source=3

[willow wren]

You face the direction of the shade that's charging towards you right?

[limber lion]

You didn't run AoE talents so your overall is immediately much less than for other people parsing

[echo island]

But my ST is also to cry xd

[limber lion]

You face the boss

You face the source

[willow wren]

Ohh

[limber lion]

No clue how the boss works

I just know how Evasion works

[willow wren]

How come cloak works when u precloak but u can't cloak the debuff off

[pastel onyx]

i believe it has true immune

first sec

or some shit

[willow wren]

[limber lion]

That's one of the mysteries of the world

[cinder quartz]

am i missing something that lets you do this

[coral ibex]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[balmy condor]

did he get paly blessings?

autumn or whatever

[cinder quartz]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4LYgWTN7J2RqZkFv#fight=37&source=85&type=auras not that i see?

but idk if that shows under buffs

[limber lion]

interesting parsing history

[balmy condor]

hmmmm

[severe sparrow]

i wanna do 1.5m damn

[limber lion]

I was thinking maybe he juggled the mythic+ affix buff outside of Mythic+ or something

But I don't think so

Doesn't last 4 minutes either

[cold sparrow]

Hello, do we prio Envenom at 7 CP (both single target and aoe) when we have darkest night ready? Or do Bleeds still have prio over that?

[limber lion]

Mark first

[bronze hawk]

@balmy condor Just imported your plater profile, do you know why when both Caustic Spatter and Deathstalker's mark are applied the color is this orange-ish color, instead of light blue?

[cinder quartz]

if you're already at 7 CP i'd just send it

[cold sparrow]

So only prio Env at 7 CP during mark? otherwise bleeds?

[limber lion]

No

I'm saying you use the DN proc

To get Deathstalker's Mark

Then you apply bleeds

[severe sparrow]

i would guess green + purple would be a brownish color so they might be masking over each other?

[balmy condor]

updated colors to be more color-blind friendly

[severe sparrow]

oh

or that

[balmy condor]

forgot to update the description

[severe sparrow]

[bronze hawk]

oh, ok. thanks

[opaque shale]

Do assassination rogue posions show up in sims or nah?

[balmy condor]

of course

[cold sparrow]

oohhh kk misunderstood cause of Death Mark 🤣 Thanks!

[balmy condor]

spec would collapse without them

[cinder quartz]

when i get that dreaded "Poisons missing" icon mid boss

[opaque shale]

is there any bug or interaction with the ansurek ring?

[spice surge]

No

No interaction

[limber lion]

Nada

[severe sparrow]

make a poisons reminder wa that goes off like 10m before

i have so many stupid reminders

[balmy condor]

I mean there is an interaction but it's just the generic nature damage extra proc thing

[limber lion]

10min out of combat, 5min even in combat

[balmy condor]

that's like 1 proc every minute or something

[severe sparrow]

even have a talent reminder that pops on rc cuz im never in the right talents

[opaque shale]

so if a rogue says it doesn't sim as well becuase "their poisons don't show in sims" its bs from that rogue?

[winged basin]

follow the blood change doesnt seem like its gonna make us play it lmfao

[rugged sphinx]

is bubbling wax still played or is rank 3 mana oil better?

[limber lion]

Yes

[balmy condor]

yeah lmao that makes no fucking sense

[limber lion]

Poisons are literally required for the spec to function

There is no Assassination without poisons

[severe sparrow]

me omw to do 1/3 of my dps cuz my poisons arent showing

[limber lion]

Just tell him to link the sim

lol

[limber lion]

Wax good-ish

[grim jay]

soontm in germany either way
retirement? not with us

[limber lion]

buggerinos

but good

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[boreal lichen]

are you guys garroting affix in mythik 11-13 ? for example 5 mobs alive affix spawns whats the best rotation. i insta swap press rupture and then just fan of knives envenom ?

[balmy condor]

yeh sounds good

[limber lion]

Throw in a Mutilate first

for Spatter

But yeah

After the Rupture that is

[boreal lichen]

k what abou solo boss fights and affix spawns also only rapture ?

[limber lion]

Both

[fleet pagoda]

rapture

[heavy trail]

Finally got a Skardyn's grace to drop but.....

It turns out its' the warbound veteran track one lol

[limber lion]

I would just Garry and Ruppy

[limber lion]

We take what we can get

[balmy condor]

F

[heavy trail]

I wonder if itsims higher than my 616 upgraded other ones lets see

[balmy condor]

doubt it

I mean maybe at 606

[heavy trail]

right

im swimming in valor stones so not an issue haha

but then again could make another rogue or something for giggles at some point and just keep farming GB 🙂

[wispy epoch]

Deathstalker: Follow the Blood effect now requires 2 targets afflicted with Rupture (was 3 targets

Hmmmm

[severe sparrow]

2nd rogue for farming lfr mogs

[wispy epoch]

Is this gonna be bis in m+ now

[grim jay]

wish that would be me

[spice surge]

Doesnt matter, its still useless

[wispy epoch]

😡

[past bobcat]

Any reason why sky sims lower than my transmitter? Both 626

[spice surge]

Compared to the other one

[severe sparrow]

is the transmitter higher ilvl

oh

fuck transmitter tbh

[past bobcat]

Sky is minus 3k dps

[grim jay]

people hating the mitti

[limber lion]

link sim

[grim jay]

while its probably the easiest minigame trinket we had

in a while

[limber lion]

Transmitter is real good

Just wanna take a look

[severe sparrow]

what was that one in uh

fuck

the one that was like 3 weapons and they rotated and you had to pull the good one out

[limber lion]

Cache

[severe sparrow]

from the portal ring boss in that one

[limber lion]

From Sepulcher

[severe sparrow]

yeah

[limber lion]

From Artificer

[heavy trail]

Brand new to rogue a week ago, but it's so much fun 🙂 Only thing is I am still not that confident on my rotation but it's getting there. Biggest issue is getting into 5+ keys and having a bunch of folks who simply never researched any mechanics and it's almost immediately going to be a failure or at least a not timed.

[severe sparrow]

bruh i had a new tank in a 4 the other day on my alt

[unborn frost]

what are good assa stats for m+

[severe sparrow]

literally had never done a mythic before

[limber lion]

Any

High ilvl

Doesn't matter

[unborn frost]

with ilvl the same

[fallen moss]

why was this reposted again in the update 10 min ago?

Hero Talents
    Deathstalker: Follow the Blood effect now requires 2 targets afflicted with Rupture (was 3 targets).

[unborn frost]

still crit mast?

[severe sparrow]

(we didnt time it)

crit mast is nice but you cant go balls in only

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

Crit/mast might be the best

or it might be haste/vers

[heavy trail]

@unborn frost Welp unless you get very fortunate and have some mega chad or whatever, in the m+ of 2024, even these lower keys a couple of folks who don't know what to do to avoid dying will be catastrophic 🙂

[limber lion]

gotta sim yourself to know

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s in the post they’re quoting

[past bobcat]

@limber lion https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aQD3ond3aJCa3dPaGk2JDr

[limber lion]

Yeh looks good to me

[past bobcat]

Weird that it's lower

[fleet pagoda]

this is still a thing huh

[spice spire]

Wdym

This one makes sense

It’s the order they’re used

[balmy condor]

yeah looks fine to me

[fleet pagoda]

oh is it, alright

[spice spire]

Yeah

Skardyns first is 0.2 > skardyns second

[hushed blade]

New balance changes… are we in deep deep?

[delicate heath]

i assume we are still getting the buffs to tier set tomorrow, right?

[opaque shale]

Coming back to my last point, do sims take into account the procs of the ring caused from poison or does it make no difference?

[balmy condor]

it does

[grim jay]

pins

[hushed blade]

Is it a W or an L boys. Wdut?

[opaque shale]

and does the ring have an RPPM/internal cooldown

so rogue poisons dont spam proc it

[grim jay]

we dont think, whispyr does the thinking

we just read

[limber lion]

Yes, 1rpm like Whispyr said earlier

[opaque shale]

thanks guys

[pearl flower]

in wowhead it says an updated patch notes and it includes rogue with this. are they not including the tier set fix this weekly reset ?

[safe shale]

Thaats additional changes

[opaque shale]

Does this also include the extra proc caused by nature damage

[pearl flower]

ahh ty

[safe shale]

And follow the blood doesnt change anything

[glacial crypt]

I love this channel sm

[pearl flower]

yeah I know. Just to want know if the tier set bonus would be coming. ty for reply

[fleet pagoda]

I think that IS the reward/rate for doing nature damage

[opaque shale]

nah it procs from attacks and has a chance to proc extra from nature dmg

[hollow pier]

Do we know if darkest night buff bug getting fixed?

[limber lion]

No

[smoky sequoia]

Ok is the affix fucking with the cooldown of trinket and deathmark? cause i keep doing deathmark and later i see my trinket being off-cooldown

[opaque shale]

is the 1rppm the normal proc or is that also the same for the extra proc from dealing nature dmg

[limber lion]

Why does that matter?

[hollow pier]

Shits so annoying

[limber lion]

Are you asking just for funzies or like what are you after?

[spice spire]

It lowers CDs not trinket

[opaque shale]

loot drama

[spice spire]

So yeah they unsync

[limber lion]

Just tell everyone to sim themselves with the ring

Or droptimizer

that's it

[limber lion]

The ring sims correctly

[quartz osprey]

did sin rogue just cop a small extra buff lmao

[safe shale]

Thought i was the only one and maybe i was misclicking something

[limber lion]

It pulls the information straight from the game

[limber lion]

Non-existent one even

Yeah

[safe shale]

I think its because affix lowers cd of abilities not trinkets

So ends up miss aligning with timnigs sadly

essentially making the affix kinda shit

[quartz osprey]

I can do more dam on CoT boss I guess

[limber lion]

I mean the affix is still giga

Even if you don't have your trinket for every cast

[safe shale]

For sure, i just mean it can be annoying

[limber lion]

sure

[runic hinge]

Run double passive for these weeks

[fleet pagoda]

getting cloak and evasion back faster is big ass blessing

[runic hinge]

Ez fix

[spice spire]

Delete this nephew

[dense hamlet]

does assa use shadow binding knife

[solar merlin]

Wait what is this darkest night bug? Havent been following^^

[tropic cedar]

wait what? the affix only increases main cd cdr doesn't it?

[limber lion]

I have no clue what that is, so probably not

[dense hamlet]

the delve trinket

[limber lion]

Oh, Ritual Knife

Right

[dense hamlet]

ye

[limber lion]

Yeah it's very good

[cinder steppe]

is the sikran aoe cloackable?

[dense hamlet]

is it better than raid tirnkets to

tho

[limber lion]

Mythic raid trinkets and Mythic Skardyn's will beat it

[tropic cedar]

if you use cloak within 1s of the cast going off yes

[limber lion]

But it competes with the heroic ones

[dense hamlet]

does mythic skadryns mean 639?

or 626

[limber lion]

639

[safe shale]

i mean

[runic hinge]

No

[cinder steppe]

hmmm okay, so just when 1sec or less on the cast right?

[limber lion]

Vault Skardyns

[safe shale]

obviously means mythic

[dense hamlet]

wtf

[tropic cedar]

yes

[dense hamlet]

is it that strong

[runic hinge]

I’m here to use logic and reason

[limber lion]

Yes

[cinder steppe]

tyty

[limber lion]

Hero Ritual Knife is very strong

Probably the best trinket at its ilvl

[dense hamlet]

so what do u play just ritual knife and skadryns?

[safe shale]

Yeah but hero track locked

[limber lion]

But you just can't get it at 639 like you can the others

[dense hamlet]

like u play mandate in raid no?

[median igloo]

!wa

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[limber lion]

Ritual Knife and Mandate probably

Double buff trinkets ain't the best

[safe shale]

in raid skar and mandate

[dense hamlet]

thats insane actually i didnt think its that strong on 626

[limber lion]

When the point is to make your big cds do big dam

[spice spire]

Knife isn’t an on use tho

[dense hamlet]

ye

[spice spire]

Am I lit

[dense hamlet]

its like passive agi and mastery

[safe shale]

P sure in sims, skar+mandate for raid

[limber lion]

Oh yeah oops

Time to go bedge

[dense hamlet]

and low chance to get ur stats reduced

[spice spire]

Yeah at max mythic track it’s definitely

[limber lion]

But yeah, just sim

[safe shale]

even hero it is better

[limber lion]

Mandate super strong

Skardyn super strong

[spice spire]

And it’ll always happen during Dam window too

[limber lion]

Ritual Knife super strong

[safe shale]

Like mandate and skar seem to sim highest even at 626

[limber lion]

Just gotta simmerino

[dense hamlet]

is it even fully implemented

[limber lion]

Everything is

[dense hamlet]

i remember it wasnt

[limber lion]

Yes

[dense hamlet]

ok lemme see

[limber lion]

Which one?

[tropic cedar]

they do for me as well, still trying to get my hands on a mandate

[limber lion]

What are you talking about?

Mandate or Ritual Knife or?

[dense hamlet]

knife

[safe shale]

fk knife juist raiud

[limber lion]

Sure is

[spice spire]

Knife is definitely implemented

[dense hamlet]

bro i alrdy have all tirnkets

im just wondering if i should pick this also

so i just have everything

and dont miss anything later

[safe shale]

meh i wouldnt

[dense hamlet]

if its good

[safe shale]

Just check bis list/sims and check

[spice spire]

Bis list

Just sim it

[safe shale]

i cba farming a ritual knife i just use void contract+skar in m+ atm and no ones beat me in a single dungeon all season

[dense hamlet]

yeah ill just sim

i dont see lots of ppl using it

so i didnt bother for awhile

[dense hamlet]

u wouldnt farm it

[spice spire]

It’s def good.
Just can do a bit of a fucky wucky to a parse or two

[dense hamlet]

i just to the zakvir delve

u get a chance at vault

[safe shale]

i consider doing 8 dlevs farming

[spice spire]

8 zakvirs baby

[dense hamlet]

yeah i mean

[spice spire]

That’s ten minutes of playtime total

[dense hamlet]

or normal delves

anything dosent take much time tbh

[spice spire]

Spend more time waiting on the cd of the delve

[safe shale]

Kap response. 8 zekvirs at ?? = 10 mins? XD

[dense hamlet]

but this HAs to be good in m+ tho

no?

[burnt lynx]

Hey not sure where to ask this. My wife has been playing assassination rogue, but I feel like she’s having a hard time with the rotation and maintenance of keeping bleeds up. Her damage is just always too low. Would it be easier for her to try outlaw or should she just keep trying to learn the spec?

[safe shale]

Learn the spec

outlaws cursed and not rewarding imo

[spice spire]

Yeah you kill zakvir before second dm

Like

Quick quick

[serene solar]

You gotta snort a line of gfuel before stepping in as outlaw. APM is fast af boi

[safe shale]

tbf i havent got ?? zek, cba doing 9-11 delves, literally yawn content for no rewards imo

[spice spire]

Just have to do ? Zak

?? Is actually tricky

[tropic cedar]

I disagree with this, but yes I would recommend her try to keep learning Sin. if she already has the muscle memory to keep bleeds up at all times, shes already halfway there to doing damage on sin

[safe shale]

Doing ? doesnt unlock ?? i did one already and still cant enter ??

[spice spire]

Buddy you need to snort more than gfuel.
Maybe Jesus

Yeah you just have to do “?” For the vault is what I’m saying

[limber lion]

You snort Jesus?

[spice spire]

It’s an 8

[dense hamlet]

ye

[safe shale]

Yeah but that gives 597?

[spice spire]

Every night brother amen

[safe shale]

aooooooh

I swore ? was 597 in vault

[dense hamlet]

it gives delve 8 reward

[spice spire]

No

Delve 8

[safe shale]

Well thats news to me

[dense hamlet]

delve 8 is hc gear

[burnt lynx]

Haha okay guess I’ll tell her that she has to stuck it up

[safe shale]

Did it get a buff?!? I sweaaaar when i did it week 1 it was 597

[dense hamlet]

nah

it was like that from first week p sure

[safe shale]

by week 1 i mean s week

[spice spire]

Does she use a weak aura to track this stuff?

[safe shale]

Maybe i just didnt notice iguess

[spice spire]

It could definitely help

[limber lion]

Having poisons up and spreading bleeds with Indiscriminate Carnage

Is like 70% of the AoE gameplay right there

[midnight atlas]

wtf is follow the blood?

[limber lion]

The Deathstalker talent

Makes you do more dam with Fan/CT when you have 2 or more targets Ruptured

[balmy condor]

just ct

[static glacier]

on brood, is there anything we should consider regarding optimising dps, especially to spiders?

[eager tree]

UM THERE WAS ROGUE TUNING AND THERE'S NO PIN WHAT HAS THIS DISC BECOME

[safe shale]

Literally is

Youve become blind

[spice spire]

Pin this pal

[balmy condor]

its the first one

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-what-cant-read-blind-gif-8671467

[spice spire]

I don’t think they were serious fellas

[midnight atlas]

sub blackpowder on 2 targets pog

padder dream

[eager tree]

lol was talking about the one from like 30 min ago

[limber lion]

Oh oop

[safe shale]

Yup

[spice spire]

Oh nvm they were

[balmy condor]

there was none from 30 min ago

[safe shale]

he was being serious

Hes just dumb

[spice surge]

its the same as the one linked earlier for rogue

Only the pala/hunter things are new

[safe shale]

Read the post 😛

[spice spire]

It’s literally still there

Last line

[eager tree]

oh why's it on the new bluepost today lol. i wasnt serious however

[limber lion]

hmm

[safe shale]

1000% was

[runic hinge]

The blue post is the same shit as Friday

[eager tree]

i know it was, im asking why they included it again on the new post today

[safe shale]

pls stop

[safe shale]

stoop

[safe shale]

.

[eager tree]

the post they're quoting has all the tuning

this post just has the hunter updated, paladin updates and rogue again

[limber lion]

lalalalala

[safe shale]

Mans trying to find an answer to a question that has no impact to anything or anyone

[flint tusk]

Mandem

move on

[eager tree]

lol

i understand

the tuning is in the prior one

[safe shale]

Does a tree still make a noise if no ones there to hear it fall vibes

[runic hinge]

They updated some shit and posted the same thing why do you need to keep asking

[median igloo]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[eager tree]

i'm asking why is rogue called out on the one today when the only other callouts are the paladin and hunter reverts and not all the tuning

i am so confused as to how you're confused with the question

[runic hinge]

Why is that hard to understand. They just updated the article

[cinder quartz]

they messed up

it was a fuckie wuckie!

[safe shale]

Bro stfu at this point you are glitchin out

[eager tree]

the post they are quoting has all the tuning

[balmy condor]

yes

[eager tree]

this one just has hunter, paladin and rogue

it has no other tuning

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[ripe umbra]

!wa

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[eager tree]

hunter and paladin got updates today

[eager tree]

so why is rogue on there too

[safe shale]

THAT MAN has literally lost his mind

[strong wing]

So, correct me if Im wrong, they reverted nerfs on BM to buff it +3% this week?

in ST

[runic hinge]

Reading comprehension at an all time low

[safe shale]

Someone give him some oxygen his brain is struggling

[cinder quartz]

i think they fixed a previous aura buff not applying, thus expect a bigger buff incoing this week

[eager tree]

ok cool reading comprehension is low, can someone explain why the rogue tuning is on there and not the DK tuning, not the druid tuning, not the evoker tun ing

[flint tusk]

is negative IQ really a thing? i'm starting to believe it is.

[safe shale]

Go ask their discords instead

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/because-fuck-them-why-gif-12024919

[flint tusk]

because they added stuff?

[eager tree]

no i just got flamed for 5 min for thinking thaey added stuaff

[safe shale]

They had changes, and now there are more changes, now go away

[eager tree]

prepare to have shiyokevsky talk about you in the 3rd person

[safe shale]

They did add stuff

[balmy condor]

they added stuff a while ago

like 30 min after the original

the wowhead post

is all the tuning

including the changes

cause they're quoting

the post with all the changes

today there was updates, not to rogue

[safe shale]

Wait so, was there rogue tuni9ng?>sdrfs

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/manyks-humorfortukey-sad-funny-turkey-gif-22100630

[safe shale]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-jk-penguin-laugh-its-was-a-joke-gif-10296567519423629847

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-frustrating-frustrated-choke-angry-gif-7506618

[static glacier]

I laugh every time I think of trickster OL not getting changes

[eager tree]

i'm just wondering why rogue is on there when the only other classes on the post are hunter and paladin which did get changes today

that is my only question

[safe shale]

For anyone else

[past panther]

what’re the project numbers for ST increase with all of the changes to the numbers?

[cinder quartz]

they were feeling a little silly

[coral ibex]

+1 gorillion damage

[jovial sand]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-derp-gif-23768721

[past panther]

hell yeah

[eager tree]

so the answer is they just randomly included rogue but nothing else from the original tuning

[coral ibex]

7cp envenom now instant kills the target

[cinder quartz]

you can't even be silly on blue posts anymore. because of paulgerz

[limber lion]

Again, just like the pins say, we don't really know how stuff works yet

[coral ibex]

idk i think its like 7% or something

[static glacier]

check pins

[coral ibex]

i think i heard that number

[limber lion]

We'll see soon

[past panther]

aight

[safe shale]

Ask whysper, he 100% knows the answer

[balmy condor]

unreal

[safe shale]

HAHAHAHQAAHA

FORWARD IT

[coral ibex]

its a 10% buff on approx 45% of our damage?

if whispyr's cook is right

[eager tree]

shyir didnt you block me? go back to that

[past panther]

that sounds pretty nice

[ornate dawn]

Is this brain rot

[past panther]

it’s WoW so yes

[limber lion]

Good night

[coral ibex]

rot deez

[past panther]

you’re likely a millennial or boomer playing a game older than most of our kids

[drifting cloud]

gn Cev!!

[past panther]

it’s brain rot

[balmy condor]

at this point I'm ready to block as well man this has to be troll

[safe shale]

It might be brainrot

[cinder quartz]

whispyr gives "5th grade teacher is hanging on by a thread" vibes

[safe shale]

Or a stupid person that cannot simply read

And questions things that dont matter

Make a ticket and ask blizz

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-gif-5179397802759562820

[eager tree]

its not a troll

[safe shale]

just dumb then?

[spice spire]

How about we stop flaming

[balmy condor]

yeh

[safe shale]

Thats what rogues do tbf

[balmy condor]

shy give it a rest

[safe shale]

But ok

[balmy condor]

he just

don't want to read

can't drown a horsre

[safe shale]

Ah ignorance then

[eager tree]

ok i can accept i'm thick but at this point i need to understand

[cinder quartz]

just ignore the rogue part paul it's okay

[spice spire]

Like if reading comprehension or miscommunication is an issue we’re all guilty of it at some point

It’s easy to just not pile on when it happens

[eager tree]

3 days ago they released a bunch of tuning correct? rogue had tuning there. 30 minutes ago they had a new blue post with updates to their holy paladin and bm hunter tuning. am i accurate so far?

[drifting cloud]

actually no

[static glacier]

bro, in the simplest terms possible

[eager tree]

ok what am i wrong on here

[static glacier]

they added the black powder change a little bit after the big tuning pass

[drifting cloud]

the 2 rogue changes got added extra thats why theyre quoting that article with just crossed out stuff

but they got added on friday already, like 1h later than the original stuff or whatever

[eager tree]

added extra today? or the same day as original tuning?

[static glacier]

so wowhead are now yapping about that since they never reported it in the original tuning pass

if you go to the sub channel you'll find fuu mentioned it in a pin a while ago

[cinder quartz]

it just looks liek those were there beforehand. for example, here's the updated BM buffs

[loud hearth]

beat me to it

[cinder quartz]

think of the "recent" post as a changelog

[novel arrow]

Wanna ask something. How important is it that we play Deathstalker for M+? Can someone highlight the benefits vs Fatebound? Because I really really hate pressing ambush and then tracking which target has the mark when the tank pulls 10 mobs.
Is there a better way to track the mob in question? I just can't find it again when there are massive packs.

[cinder quartz]

and the "old" post as the planned implementation

[eager tree]

ok got it got it. so there was a bunch of tuning originally, then rogue tuning got added afterwards. today hpal and bm tuning got added and this blue post is just containing all 3 most recent changes that occurred after original tuning pass

[static glacier]

not that important, you can play fatebound and time your 10s np

[safe shale]

Why are you tracking the target?

[undone flame]

im looking forward to the sims tomorrow or whenever thay are thare

[eager tree]

the black powder changes, hpal changes and bm hunter changes all are after the initial tuning

[safe shale]

Just spread bleeds with carnage and most of the time youll be fine

[eager tree]

i am following now, thank you

[coral ibex]

just cleave your bleeds off your DSM target

[heavy trail]

I dunno I kind of enjoy the added element of ambush when no buff on me.

[fleet pagoda]

I have my plater set to display the DS Mark off to the side of the hp bar instead of above so I can relocate it after a kick or whatever. you could always utilize a focus function to get back to it too

[cinder quartz]

you need to track for getting DN. you only count down if you envenom the DMtarget

[novel arrow]

I'm not. Thats what I mean. I'm tabbing to bleed everything and I can't tab back to the one I deathmarked 😄

[safe shale]

Dont tab to bleed

Stealth and spread bleeds using carnage off your main target

[cinder quartz]

you could use a plater recolor for mark target. make it blue or something

[novel arrow]

What/! you can do that? It sets a display aside? the fk I need to find that.

[safe shale]

You might need to tabto bleed later on in a pull but most of the time theyll be dead

[heavy trail]

I have my enemy health bar change green for spatter, then just have the buffs tracked. Don't really care too much about mark though it's on the nameplate.

[fleet pagoda]

it's under the setting of Buff Special or whatever

add the aura there

[cinder quartz]

i just default to put all my important stuff on the prio target so i don't really have to "track" stuff like DM or caustic

[sinful elk]

I did my first raid last night and 5/8 heroic. I parsed pretty despicably (~35 avg) but i was mainly being hyper conscious of not griefing any mechanics etc.

Are there any tools/sites to review/see what others do other than the top100 breakdown on wlogs?

Griefed half my fights by using less than ideal talents etc. TIA

[novel arrow]

but there are 10 mobs. If I garrote the main target repeatedly. sometimes it just garrotes the same targets again. It's not the smartest. I tab because it usualyl garrotes the ones closest to the main target. So if theres 6 mobs. I'll garrote 3. and then tab to the ones clearly not garroted and garrote again.

if I just ruptures and garrote the same DS mark target over and over again. it doesn't spead as well as it should.

[safe shale]

Ambush, garrote, rupture,. rupture, garote, build>CT

[cinder quartz]

it should only spread to targets who don't have it, but you only get 2 instead of 3 new bleeds

[safe shale]

Play

[fleet pagoda]

you don't need to garrote everything. it's extra work for minimal gain. main function of bleeds is for energy and scent stacks from rupture

[eager tree]

the wowhead guide has builds for every raid boss

[junior shore]

!wa

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[safe shale]

YOu can garrote things fairly ez though just spam it on a pack and itll keep spreading arround and silence casters, if you reallllly wanted for like 6 seconds

[winged hill]

hi rogue friends! Newish to rogue, and I was wondering if there is a good rogue Youtuber to watch? Or do you guys feel like the icy-veins/wowhead guides are sufficient

[novel arrow]

ok. In my mind I'm trying to garrote and rupture everything as priority.

[safe shale]

carnage getting extended to 12 seconds in anniversary right ? or was that me misreading something

[cinder quartz]

my goat streamer Whispyr

[safe shale]

HELL no, dw about that

[fleet pagoda]

most of your damage in big pulls will be from crimson tempest and caustic spatter, so you'll wanna be getting those out sooner. spreading bleeds to every single target will slow it down. a few presses each of garrote and rupture with IC will be plenty

[heavy trail]

@winged hill I also watch Shivz in addition to W mentioned already.

[safe shale]

Ambush>garrote>rupture>rupture>garrote>build for Crimson tempest,

This talent will spread your shit on opener, so you can just funnel your dsm target

[sinful elk]

ah sweet. I very obliviously went in with just the 'ST raid spec' and 'mythic aoe spec' for when i got told the fight had aoe lol. I will give those a look

[cinder quartz]

open with ambush, garrote, rupture, rupture with sbs CP, garrote, mut for caustic, ct. that's 5 garrotes and 5 ruptures and good enough CT

that's what i do

[novel arrow]

Got it. And somewhere in there. Multilate for the caustic.

[safe shale]

Yes usually after the CT

or before it doesnt matter really

[balmy condor]

if you're not doing mythic just take the single target spec and swap into caustic for every boss except sikran/rashanan/kyveza

[safe shale]

i keep gorroting to keep silencing mobs before CT

[sinful elk]

roger

[winged hill]

Are you saying we should just rupture our primary target twice?

[safe shale]

Yes

[cinder quartz]

i forgot to swap caustic on ovinax heroic last week

[safe shale]

Yes, this will put rupture on 5 people

[balmy condor]

we skip heroic

[cinder quartz]

scent of blood caps below anymore than you get from 3 ruptures

[novel arrow]

ok. thanks. I guess I was just prioritizing garrotes and ruptures over caustic and crimson. I'll correct that.

and also a quick point is. We are finishing with envenoms because of caustic. And crimson just to keep up bleed right?

Do we ever crimson on bosses single target?

[safe shale]

Yeah you are right here, and no dont CT single target

[cinder quartz]

crimson is good damage for 1 button in aoe

i don't think there's really any interactions there besides more damage? unsure

[safe shale]

as you get to higher keys you end up tabbing Fan>rupture>fan>rupture, sometimes if the packs still up but usually youre okay, or you can vanish and do it all again/meld macro

[fleet pagoda]

lethal dose i guess

[cinder quartz]

a lot of your bleed talents specifically call out garrote and rupture but not CT

[sinful elk]

cant we just mouseover rupture other mobs? rather than target swap

or am i missing something

[novel arrow]

One other thing I've been wandering. Crimson Tempest does more damage the more targets affected. Is this damage Dynamic or Snapshot?

On bosses that tend to spawn adds, even tho they die really fast, I've been CTing them in hopes that a big 5 man crimson tempest is worth it on the boss. But I dont know if it's dynamic or something and the damage goes down when all the other CT targets die.

[fleet pagoda]

if you prefer to. whatever's most comfortable

[runic hinge]

It snapshots

[safe shale]

I mean you can. but imo thats gross bec you might get the wrong target

[runic hinge]

But it’s better if the bleed ticks so if the adds die in .2 it’s probably better to just hit them with a spatter envenom

[sinful elk]

fair. just making sure i wasnt missing any specfiic interaction with FoK while targetting a mob or w/e

[safe shale]

Use it, eg, first boss in NW, little adds spawn you CT, and when adds die, the 100% bonus CT stays on boss

[worthy laurel]

We don't care about the follow the blood changes at all, do we?

[safe shale]

no

[spice spire]

We do not

[novel arrow]

ty

[novel arrow]

ty

[safe shale]

np

[violet berry]

Does kingsbane and mark affect our cleave at all?

[dull cloak]

lul got a spare to trade but no one in the group can use

[worthy laurel]

Saw rogue, got excited. Read that, got disappointed

[dull cloak]

my third trinket

[loud light]

this bothered me so I looked closer and that entire log (across all fights and all players) people are using CDs way more often than they should be, so I checked boss timings https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4LYgWTN7J2RqZkFv#fight=37&type=auras&hostility=1&source=69&by=target&ability=434803
that's way faster than ulgrax should be casting stuff
same with the 2 second venomous lash cast, boss is actually doing it in like 1.3 seconds

[worthy laurel]

Yes. Caustic spatter replicates all of the nature damage they are taking including the dot from KB and DM duplicates your poisons

[loud light]

some timestamp fuckery going on here

[novel arrow]

Anyone know the M+ affix for next week ? What bullshit xalatath thing are we dealing with?

[violet berry]

Ok idk why it always felt like pure single

[stable cove]

Why is sub played over sin in raid

[violet berry]

I know the nature dam buff we get after mark expires is a big deal for cleave no?

I forget the talent name

[spice spire]

Log is scuffed

[worthy laurel]

It is if you don't have spatter talented. In M+ your bleeds are going to be more important but if all of your bleeds are up and the target will survive the length of KB it's worth pressing for caustic spatter.

[loud light]

the only one left is devour

kind of like afflicted but on the party

[worthy laurel]

I don't see any talents on the tree that trigger on DM or KB ending.

[violet berry]

Ya I’m looking idk what I read earlier lmao

Holup

[tropic cedar]

this doesn't really matter, since you're still getting at least 2 new gars out, which is what would be happening if you just send the gar on your main target again anyways

[worthy laurel]

Healer Affix /s

[violet berry]

Oh lingering darkness on hero talents @worthy laurel

[tropic cedar]

mouseover is better than tabbing or sending on main target IF you're comfortable with it

[safe shale]

does matter if its outside your spread window

[violet berry]

I’d assume that buffs tf out of envenom cleave @worthy laurel

[safe shale]

If hes asking about spreading mid way through a pack with mouse over then thats your own call, i dont like mouse over for bleeds, seems ineffficient imo

[tropic cedar]

thats moving the goalposts a bit, im talking about it in general

[safe shale]

Click clicking with your mouse etc

[tropic cedar]

not just "outside of sunterfige"

[safe shale]

Yes but he wasnt when he askled

subtefuge>?

What

Idk if you know what we are talking about man

[tropic cedar]

sure, he was talking about that, but im saying IN GENERAL

[worthy laurel]

Lingering Darkness is more about funnel than anything. but you don't really play around it for cleave.

[tropic cedar]

yes, you know, the thing that lets you continue to spread imp gar for the first 6s out of stealth

[safe shale]

No it's not

[cinder quartz]

thats not subterfuge

[safe shale]

Lol

[cinder quartz]

it's just built into imp garrote now

[worthy laurel]

That's indiscriminate Carnage

[tropic cedar]

isn't that what the talent was called before we got it baseline? the one that doesnt reset gar?

[cinder quartz]

and IC is 6s after breaking stealth

[worthy laurel]

Carnage makes it hit multiple targets rather*

[balmy condor]

we don't play around lingering darkness at all

[safe shale]

Yeah like I said I think your missing what we talking about

[cinder quartz]

it's a funny interaction where subterfuge doesn't extend the duration at all

literally wasted talent

[tropic cedar]

ah i got the talent mixed up then. its still better to mouseover gar if you're comfortable with it, that was my point

[worthy laurel]

Yeah I figured since I don't remember it being talked about ever for rotations xD

[meager aspen]

i was planning for next reset but guy... my brain REFUSE to accept it :

[safe shale]

No it's not

😂

[balmy condor]

it's better to mouseover technically yes