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[crisp pine]

Man I'm not sure if I should have this much power

[nova aspen]

if ur off by like 3 degrees its a fail

[quartz cloak]

Boss can’t be outranged, we hooked him from the other side of the room

[spring moat]

I keep not getting invited lol. 1700ish. Slowly climbing. I’ll spend a day targeting a specific key for rating lol

[nova aspen]

[viscid spear]

Had a tank in Siege go, "oh yeah forgot Rogues need resets" right before the giant boss.

[quartz cloak]

Most most most stuff is a skill issue, that’s why I said ppl need to play it very clean to not make it miserable since small fck up’s brick the key immediately

[thorn rivet]

LOL

[quartz cloak]

Some dungeons just are more forgiving

[tranquil berry]

guys, ara kara trinket or spyglass (with skardryns) ?

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/lucy-anime-gif-19904779

[crisp pine]

The fabled trinket from Ara Ara: City of Hoes

[tranquil berry]

hahaha

thx ❤️

[quartz cloak]

Sim it probably

[crisp pine]

but ya gotta sim it
They give different things

and both are good

[grim jay]

Crystal

(sim it)

[quartz cloak]

I also like to look those up on bloodmallet to see how it performs in AOE and ST

[tranquil berry]

yea i seen crystal being used too lately

[grim jay]

Still kinda iffy with stat trinkets

[quartz cloak]

Depending of key and comp you might want the one or the other

[grim jay]

Because it depends on your gear

[tranquil berry]

thats what i was thinking too

[grim jay]

And they all 3 are rather similar overall

On ST

Its like 0.2% best to worst

With top profile

[tranquil berry]

sim them 5 targets 1 min?

[grim jay]

St is patchwerk

And m+ is dungeonslice

[leaden garden]

Does asa use echoing repr in m+?

[grim jay]

Deathstalker yes

[leaden garden]

gottcha, ty

Does blindside transform your ss to ambush? or do i need to have it bound on nonstealth bar aswell?

[grim jay]

Yes it swaps

Automatically

[leaden garden]

nice, thank you

[gentle badger]

We thinking vicious venoms and poison talents will beat bleed talents with the buffs after reset? For most raid bosses

[grim jay]

Should be around the same

Both buffs get more uptime

[gentle badger]

Seems like the 2pc buff is a bigger impact than the 4pc having more uptime but wasn’t sure if anything was solidified yet

Vicious venoms wasn’t affected by 2pc before right?

[hot fulcrum]

Yesterday I had +10 Ara and before 2nd boss tank said "OMG we have a rogue in party. I guess I need sometimes to give you restealth"

[royal lantern]

as if pug Tanks dont single pack pull anyway lmao

[nova aspen]

i just tell the tank only if he wants iron wire on pull

[royal lantern]

like, the entire "omg need stealth" thing is hilarious cus some people act as if they get 0stealth trought out the dungeon, when in reality you can count on 1hand how many packs you cant get it on lmao

[nova aspen]

or if i have to vanish silence in emergencies

[storm hedge]

I'm always saying to my tanks, either chain pull faster or slower, idc which. If we get to new pack and old mobs are alive with my bleeds, I'm chilling. If by the time we get to the new pack they all die and I couldn't get restealth I'm like I needed just one more second and I could've get a restealth

[leaden garden]

do i use shiv before or after kingsbane?

[spice surge]

If you have 2 shiv charge you use shiv before and then at the last 8 seconds of kb (so its up for all of kb)

If you have 1 shiv charge you use it for the last 8 seconds of kb

[leaden garden]

thank you

[rain wraith]

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!wa

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[wise kraken]

hey ! , i wondering is that ok for us to run with 2 uses trinket in raid ( Grim batol one and treachrous both in hm ) or i'll rather run with arakara ?

[eager tree]

so is killing spree on outlaw the only way rogue has to consistently clear the slow on zekvir?

[arctic socket]

Transmitter?

[acoustic roost]

sim, but generally the only 2nd on use you want to use Queen's Mandate

[wise kraken]

yes that one

[arctic socket]

Only two on use trinkets I would do is grim batol and mad queens mandate

Two stat on uses don’t seem worth it in my opinion

[wise kraken]

ok thx for your answer

[spring moat]

Using ER and you need one cp to get a finisher. Plenty of time on garrote…is it a waste to use garrote anyway to get that one cp?

Constantly finding myself needing one cp 🤣

[nova aspen]

u should never force urself into a charged cp

let it come naturally

[hushed elbow]

wild that im sitting at 6% haste and sims keep telling me to take more crit and mastery

[eager tree]

why's that wild

i'm at 3% haste and get the same thing'

[arctic socket]

Yall have haste?

[hushed elbow]

cuz bloodmallet targets show something higher, im just surprsied is all

thought with kingsbane and hunt them down procs we would want some more haste

[elder bolt]

!up

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[arctic socket]

I just take what ever stats the robot tells me too

And doing that has made me have like 1% haste

[slate crown]

The robot wants what the robot wants

[jovial idol]

What is haste?

It's not even in my items

[nova aspen]

robot told me to craft 636 crit/haste boots

[jovial idol]

All I have is Crit and mastery

[slate crown]

I just crafted crit/mastery boots and didn't even ask the robot

cause like it's fine

didn't even think about it just push button buy missive

[nova aspen]

yea it said it was 200 dps better than crit/mastery

[bright tartan]

Mastery = neuron activation

[nova aspen]

but idk if thats margin of error

[jovial idol]

Haste is for losers

[slate crown]

Well, I do actually try to avoid haste only because I also play sub a bunch

if I didn't play sub at all I'd not care at all

[tacit otter]

Everything <1% is under margin of error

[jovial idol]

If you have too much energy how are you going to spend it fast enough?

What a pointless stat is haste

[nova aspen]

gotcha

[spice surge]

Unironically not even an issue to rawdog the crafts for assa

[jovial idol]

But Crit sucks for sub

[spice surge]

And just not have a missive at all

[valid leaf]

Boys and girls i need a weak aura did some of you cook it

I need a ambush reminder for opener ngl

[quartz locust]

like if you have darkest night or not?

[valid leaf]

If i have it i dont need to ambush right?

Yea that will do

[jovial idol]

It's called looking at your buffs

The weakaura name

[valid leaf]

I swapped from outlaw kir and im opposed to pressing ambush still

[quartz locust]

just pull it out of one of the weak aura packs if anything, and make it real big

[dawn heath]

this weekly affix

keeping us in combat and tanks chaining

making my blood boil

[slate crown]

Save yourself some gold and crafter stress

[valid leaf]

No shit space sherlock thanks for wisdom big up my g

[slate crown]

holy fuck space sherlock in here

[quartz locust]

friendly reminder that chain pulling feels bad, but isn't that big of a deal to our overall damage

[slate crown]

!wa fr though all these packs have DSM reminders

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[dawn heath]

well that kinda depends

some people like to chain when the pack is on 5%

and just leap into the next one

that is just so unneeded

if u chain earlier tahts acceptable

[quiet oar]

5% chaining

isnt chaining

[quartz locust]

at that point you can stay back and restealth if it's actually that low

[dawn heath]

no

[jovial idol]

Chain pulling is legit the reason I sometimes wanna play sub on M+

[dawn heath]

cause the affix spawns and everyone else runs into the next pack

[dull cloak]

it's honestly not a big deal. just put up bleeds on new pack and spatter away

[quiet oar]

if the tank

chain pulls

at 40%

its perfectly fine

[dawn heath]

yes

context matters here

its a time gain to chain if the mobs are healthy

but not if they are fucking sub5%

[dull cloak]

if the affix gonna die you can just stand back and you will get restealth off

[dawn heath]

and criminally puts me in combat

[nova aspen]

i live for the chain pull

unless the next pack is casters

[kindred dune]

who needs 5 target garrote

with 2 GCDS

[nova aspen]

if details accounted for downtime instead of in combat only u would be like chain pull the shit out of every dungeon

[quartz locust]

so hold vanish for that semi-rare isntance where the affix spawn between packs

[dawn heath]

ye chain pulling is fine but as i said some people love to chain when its sub 2s left of the pack then put me in combat or having me to solo the mob to try to restealth only for it to trickle into the next one and i dont get my stealth off

its so infuriating

esp when all the dps leave the mob too

[eager tree]

i mean maybe if theres a ton of downtime between packs. if there's 1s of downtime, just enough to get stealth, you as a sin rogue absolutely would not say that

[dawn heath]

and the whole just apply ruptures

thats like

idk

10 globals?

to setup ruptures on 5 targets

maybe 15

like

its a massive dps loss

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[cloud scaffold]

If you are popping from stealth, easy cleave dots everywhere. If you are chain pulling, you should have ruptures rotating out. So it wont be from nothing to having to use 15 globals to get up bleeds. If it was from nothing, then you would have Indiscrimate carnage. If you chain pull, just as the new ones up come, keep up 5 ruptures and then splatter a target.

[slim pebble]

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[cloud scaffold]

If targets are dying faster than you can put ruptures out, you need to go up in some M+ tiers. You are too get gud.

If they are dying too fast, than sudden death is going to keep you at like 66% of your overall DPS.

[keen rover]

Anyone have a macro for tricks that will tricks a specific player without dropping target?

[cloud scaffold]

Going up in tier will make small number go big.

[dull cloak]

less because of bonespike. Also you dont really need full cp ruptures, putting a few ruptures + crimson up and spatter is more important

[dawn heath]

here is a good example

of what im talking about

went through

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iPAGUTGJqKhJ1nBDZ/d1337az0pTCV?invite=cr-MSxBVmgsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[quartz locust]

pretty sure the guide has this in list of macros

just a simple focus target macro

[brazen wedge]

I can’t sim right now maybe someone can help me- is heroic queen poison ring 626 better than a crafted 636 ring?

[cloud scaffold]

Yeah, you didnt spread rups first.

[dawn heath]

we're talking about the tank chaining when 1 mob is on 3%

[dull cloak]

you would've gotten the restealth if you stayed back

[cloud scaffold]

Yeah, but you did like 3 envoms on the next pack, just spread rups

[dawn heath]

the mob also didnt die so

i would need to let someone else finish the mob

and stay back

but ye this is just what i could find from my latest session

[spice surge]

Ye the tank couldve waited like a second or two

[cloud scaffold]

You also mut'ed before putting rupture up so no splatter.

[dawn heath]

i was lowkey flaming our shaman for beeing abit of a dumbass

[spice surge]

But you couldve stayed back and killed it too

[cloud scaffold]

Tank was fine in that.

[dawn heath]

he was full fucking aoe padding on the pack

[dull cloak]

like there are at least 2 options you couldve done in that situation

[dawn heath]

instead of kiling the necromancer

actual negative iq shaman

[brazen wedge]

I can’t sim right now maybe someone can help me- is heroic queen poison ring 626 better than a crafted 636 ring?

[keen rover]

During adds on mythic ulgrax are yall spreading ruptures or focus target and caustic?

[light knoll]

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[willow falcon]

it is not for me, simming 0,2% less

the other way around lmao the queen ring is better

than a 636

[limpid hearth]

There is no objective answer, depends on your gear

[coral ibex]

heroic queen ring is full stats + a proc so it will greatly overperform ilvl

[robust slate]

is dead eye spyglass really 2nd best trinket ?

better than mad queens mandate ?

[coral ibex]

[robust slate]

sim fake

lol

[hollow stone]

then just guess

[coral ibex]

true

my opinion is real tho

and it is to sim

[robust slate]

its just weird cos on trinket tier list 3 trinkets are S tier

[coral ibex]

yea sim it

[robust slate]

but only one is on overall BIS

[hollow stone]

surely some random in a discord telling you “yea” or “no” is more accurate

[robust slate]

well its not yes or no i was just looking for insight

[quartz locust]

spyglass is passive MQM is on use

[coral ibex]

"is spyglass better than mandate"

is literally a yes or no question

answered by a sim

[quartz locust]

its hard to compare them directly, and you want one passive and one on use

[robust slate]

well more my question is why are 3 S tier but not on bis overall is what i was wondering

but i see

[hollow stone]

because some ppl dont raid i guess idk

the writers of wowhead guides follow a formula set for them by wowhead

probably asked to put 3

iirc, spyglass is also in a-tier on that guide

[robust slate]

yeah it is

i guess on use mandate doesnt work well with skardyns

[quartz locust]

also like transmitter sims as high as skardyns does, but whispyr is not a fan of the mini game

[robust slate]

oh yah

[quartz locust]

if you can get used to it, then that might be higher prio for you

[errant mauve]

The mini game sucks

[hollow stone]

generally 2 on use is bad but it is possible for mandate to be a 2nd on use that you use outside of cds

[coral ibex]

transmitter sims lower than the ovinax egg trinket for me

[quartz locust]

i don't really have an issue with it personally

[hollow stone]

thats where the sim comes in

[coral ibex]

kinda weird but it is what it is

[spice surge]

Well ye if your other trinket is skardyn

Transmitter aint good

Its one or the other

[robust slate]

i swear shadow bind knife could be S tier if u get it hero track rn

[coral ibex]

my other trink is the kyveza 2p

[spice surge]

No because the tierlist is based on theoretical max gear which is 639

[errant mauve]

Like the pad shouldn’t take standing on it for 2 seconds and they need to find a way to make it more noticeable when in hectic fight situations and shit all over the ground

[spice surge]

Which is part of why its dumb to begin with

[robust slate]

true

[quartz locust]

transmitter is 10x easier for me than witherbarks was tbh and we all used/wanted that shit lol

[robust slate]

with my question before it wasnt the sim i was looking for it was the overall bis and why it seemed different to the tier list

but makes sense now

[quartz locust]

the only 'overall bis' really is skardyns

[limpid hearth]

Overall bis is subjective

[calm grail]

How big are daggers in terms of DPS gain? Coming from Outlaw they were massive. I'm crafting a big one tomorrow, but I don't know if it's as exciting.

[fierce mirage]

guides say to go Internal Bleeding, but i keep runing into raids using Caustic spatter. Anyone have info on which is better?

[robust slate]

internal bleeding for full ST caustic if theres adds

pretty sure

[hollow stone]

splitting hairs but overall bis is not subjective but you need EVERY PIECE at max ilvl etc

[calm grail]

Oh I'm not splitting hairs at all, I'm just curious how "Big" it feels.

[quartz locust]

MH dagger is really big depneding on what your upgrading from

[hollow stone]

Use internal if there is legit only 1 target the entire fight and thats it, otherwise, play caustic

[willow falcon]

you'd use internal bleeding on sikran, princess and maybe rashan

[hollow stone]

Basically the same value as every other spec including outlaw

[willow falcon]

cause caustic does fuck all on the last one

[hollow stone]

Caustic is good on rashan

Far better than the like 20k st you get

Helps delete the small adds

[tired gull]

Sure, when it actually hi ts

[hollow stone]

Which helps with bad line ups

[hollow stone]

Thats a strat problem; the adds should be dropped “under/near” the boss

[iron valve]

no, it's a boss hitbox problem

[quartz locust]

yeah it's pretty fucky on rash

[willow falcon]

idk last time i did it it was like 0,2% of my dmg

[hollow stone]

we just said the same thing

[willow falcon]

but yeah i guess if the adds are really under the boss

[hollow stone]

I feel you guys, but the gain from internal is SO SMALL that it is better to play caustic

realistically neither is gonna matter enough but

[cinder quartz]

hero sac brood but it sims worse than hero shadow binding ritual

[quartz locust]

give us myth track delve trinkets you cowards

actually fuck that give me myth track bee trinket

[spring moat]

Got a champ level delve trinket. Simd good for two weeks. Got lfr queens mandate last night. That simmed 5% ? Better before upgrading it lol

[hollow stone]

gz on uppy

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Significant WA lag
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You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[arctic socket]

Mandate is BOg

Big

[spring moat]

Blew me away lol.

It did 3 mil on one use and 5 on an other on a target dummy test last night

Sims still telling me to use that and transmitter. Idk how to feel while two on use

When bloodmallet says skardyns/mad queen

[quartz locust]

Thats still double on use lol

[main blaze]

Skardyn + Mad or Transmitter + Mad are both great since mad doesnt really need to be added to the burst window. Also it even benefits a little because the boss health is lower when you cast it at 20s

[simple yoke]

waaaaa, Thought it was Skardyns/Spyglass for sure.

[grim jay]

2 on use is not an issue at all tbf, they will never interfere with eachother

[simple yoke]

Well and we have moment to use them as well

[quartz locust]

Theyre all a few percentage away, and at diff ilvls some are higher and lower

[calm grail]

I've done GB like twenty times now with no luck.

Maybe on my 40th

or my vault

[grim jay]

Spyglass, ara kara and crystal are all pretty even either way

Just depends on your personal gear

As far as one on use + one passive goes

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[tawdry flint]

There’s not much point in running it though. So many other classes can the delete the adds in seconds, they aren’t really an issue. Better to take internal bleeding, pump boss and parse

Also after over 50 runs I finally got grace, feels good man

[hollow stone]

Agree to disagree; caustic will give more overall

Internal is really really bad

[spring moat]

I thought skard was passive

[woven shore]

Depends

[tawdry flint]

Is it not better to do more boss dam though? The adds aren’t really a problem and the objective is to kill the boss not pad over all?

[woven shore]

If your party doesnt group adds well spatter barely hits

[tawdry flint]

Yeah, the adds just get deleted so quickly

Really enjoying rash mythic tbh, fun fight

[woven shore]

Yea okay MAYBE you are right

Internal barely deals dmg

[tawdry flint]

Providing I don’t get webs first

[woven shore]

Maybe on mythic spatter for min max overall

[tawdry flint]

Such a cuck having to run out mid death mark

[tawdry flint]

They die just as fast in mythic

[woven shore]

They should buff that trash Internal

[hollow stone]

The problem is internal gives you like…. Barely any dps

[errant mauve]

They should buff sub rogue

[tawdry flint]

Btw are the changes in the pin going live this reset?

[vast loom]

spatter barely hits anything on rash

[dawn heath]

pugging 12s is bordering on inpossible

[hollow stone]

So if caustic even hits just a bit, its cooked

[tawdry flint]

True

[dawn heath]

with just 5 lfg andies no voice

[hollow stone]

But i do agree that neither really matters for rasha

I think more ppl are playing internal but its close

You can sim pw with and without internal/caustic and its like .2% diff

[dull cloak]

isn't add damage on rash excluded on logs

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah 12 affix is a terrible choice and i wouldn’t be surprised if retention tanks because of it

[hollow stone]

Not sure

[spice surge]

It is

[dawn heath]

the gap between 11 and 12 is too hard

[dull cloak]

there you go no reason to pad

[dawn heath]

its like going from a +25 to a +30 key

in one single jump

[dull cloak]

alot of bosses are terrible on 12+

[dawn heath]

also the worst part

is the 15s death timer

key is just immediately bricked unless everything is perfect

and u go close to death less

like i've had 11 keys with 9 minutes left and we cant do 12

make it make sense

[spice surge]

Why does that not make sense

[dawn heath]

difficulty curve is to steep

[spice surge]

The intention is for 12s to be significantly harder

[pliant remnant]

Yeh, and it's a shit intention

[cobalt sphinx]

People will just quit

[pliant remnant]

Number goes up by one, difficulty goes up more than one "number"

[tropic cedar]

we aren't anywhere near the gear cap for the season, i dont understand why people think they need to be flying through 12s+ rn

[dawn heath]

if 13s were at 12 difficulty then that would be more reasonable

[pliant remnant]

Just psychologically it feels bad

[dawn heath]

people don't like making no progress

u can't really lfg +12 keys

and most people dont have teams

[tropic cedar]

they made the gearing take longer to extend the progression, ofc you aren't going to be able to do the highest keys rn

[spice surge]

Well once you get 20% more damage from gear

You will be able to

[dawn heath]

sure gear will play a factor but it still requires close to perfect cordination

things are overtuned

[hollow stone]

M+ is a race at the end of the season, not the start

[tropic cedar]

well it does rn, because you dont have the gear to make it more trivial

and we are talking in circles 🙂

[dull cloak]

I think the issue on 12s right now is not damage is survival

[dawn heath]

if they removed the 15s death timer then it would be more bearable

key beeing bricked with a single tank death is no fun

[dull cloak]

groups I tried with have no problems with the trash but some bosses just hits too hard

[hollow stone]

this just sounds like key pushing to me

[spice surge]

^

[hollow stone]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice surge]

It just happens earlier than in previous seasons

[hollow stone]

Less inflated io

[tropic cedar]

well, it's also becasue gearing in DF was super fast compared to how it is now, so ofc people will think that they are hitting a brick wall earlier

[dawn heath]

i don't think u guys play keys if u have this opinion

[hollow stone]

Yea exactly

[dawn heath]

u just play weekly 10s

[woeful meteor]

[spice surge]

or you havent played push keys before

[hollow stone]

the typical retort

[dawn heath]

i have 3x 0.1% titles

so thats untrue

[woven shore]

Something like internal deals 30% more damage if you have dealt poison damage in the last 5seconds

Or bleed which makes more sense

Or like this other talent which deals more dmg if energy is above 50%

[hollow stone]

yea, the 12 scaling is aggressive but that was the intent, we also still have 10+ ilvl and optimizing to go

[fluid glade]

agreed would like a nerf on the death timer

[gleaming spire]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

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[hollow stone]

and the death timer is a complaint for all levels of play, ppl hate it (dont blame em, it is a stinker)

[dawn heath]

50% of the playerbase will not stick around if they cant make any progress unless they wait for 2 months of vaults

[past bobcat]

Also since when can the boss parry kingsbane lmao

Legit parried on our kill pull on brood

[tropic cedar]

50% of the playerbase wont stick around anyways

thats just the nature of keys

[spice surge]

The amount of people pushing 12s are miniscule to begin with

[tropic cedar]

lmao

[hollow stone]

But thats not the playerbase the new 12s are made for

[hollow stone]

Always

[spice surge]

The absolute vast majority that even go to double digit keys stop after the portals

[tropic cedar]

some (most) people do them for gear, some people do them for pushing

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iP4s7jGQCxS2kJwab/d1337n28wVa0?invite=cr-MSw0SGUsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

from yday

[radiant shadow]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[hollow stone]

thats why they tank the boss at the other wall

[dawn heath]

great game design when

i lose my crit buff

but not the frost pool

when i die

i was supposed to come up and blast cds wiuth crit buff

[hollow stone]

your team fucked you by dropping swirlies there tbf

that was avoidable

(not for you)

[dawn heath]

i could have lived

but it was

i panic pressed blur

if i pressed nw

when i was dropped off

instead

blur is not enough

but ye

[blazing slate]

is there a list of all rogue changes for 11.0.5 somehwere?

[hollow stone]

yeaaaa

[dawn heath]

they shouldnt stand there

[hollow stone]

unluck

[gleaming geyser]

8 10s a week logger reporting for duty

[dawn heath]

its kinda hard for me cause

im doing 12s on 2 characters

havoc kinda stinks

so i started playing assa

but i started playing assa recently never played rogue before so

12s are challenging

even though im a title playr

[hollow stone]

sin in keys definitely takes some reps

its an odd spec

[dawn heath]

i dont think im doing poorly but

also kinda figuring out when to play cheat vs elusiveness

strangely enough vspeed plays cheat almost everywhere where as casualaddict plays elusiveness everywhere

[hollow stone]

elusiveness stonks gonna go up a lot when feint is off the gcd in .5

[dawn heath]

cheat is not bad though

i think its a duengon by duengon basis

[hollow stone]

cheat is the default, so to speak

[dawn heath]

if u need elusiveness to live mechanics u have to

[woeful meteor]

kinda depends on key, but at some point the dungeon is gonna have some bs st nuke that kills without elusive

[spice surge]

Ive seen people say this, but it seems like such a non-change to me

It still costs energy, so for the most part it still costs you the same amount of damage

So it really doesnt matter

[hollow stone]

I see where youre coming from since we generally arent gcd locked too

[woeful meteor]

the issue with feint is the energy not the gcd overall

[dawn heath]

it matters but not by much

[hollow stone]

yea, those are good points and i agree

[dawn heath]

i've found myself unaware of incoming damage and then been GCD locked and had to press evasion cause its off gcd instead of feint

i realize i have to press something like

0.2s before it happends

then u cant feint

although these situations are rare

[hollow stone]

I read “cant feint” and now linkin park living rent free

[spice surge]

Im not complaining, obviously off gcd is strictly better than on gcd

But i dont feel like its a huge buff

[hollow stone]

I agree with that

I probably oversold it lol

[bronze heath]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn heath]

what

[hollow stone]

Theres a linkin park song called faint and it goes “i cant faint” and now that song is in my head

[dawn heath]

oh i was paranoid at my clips i sent

its almost always playing linkin park

[hollow stone]

Haha

Nope. No DMCA for you

[jagged niche]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange maple]

leeech or avoidance enchant is better on wrist and back ?

[spice surge]

mostly preference, speed can be good too

[split willow]

Depends if you want leech or avoidance

[dawn heath]

avoidance if ur playing high keys

[upper wraith]

stonevault question. do I need 2 orbs going into shield phase?

[pure tide]

what keys can i do starting at 609

[vale maple]

all of them. what will you get invited to is the better question

Start by building your io doing 2-3 keys of every dungeon

[hollow stone]

Just take them all so nobody else gets a shield amp

[silk bane]

your own keys. Im 2700 and still hardstuck 12s cant get in. before that i was 2650 couldnt get into 11s. before that same thing.

My rat havoc is 600 ilvl but +2'd like 5/8 9s still cant get into 4s

i just do my own keys instead

[vale maple]

Yeah if you ever want to see something funny, try queuing on a mage alt. invites are like 10x more frequent. I've gotten 10-11 keys on my 607 mage lol

[quartz locust]

anecdotal, but i've yet to see a mage that really pumps

not doing super high keys though

maybe thats where all the big dick mages are, and i'm stuck with the alts

[young dust]

guys, whats caustic spatter's spread range?

[silk bane]

nah fuck mages i ahte them so much

[young dust]

trying to find it but couldnt find anywhere

[coral ibex]

isnt it like 5m from the target

[silk bane]

was doing my 12 NW last night, we got to 3rd boss, we have 8.5 minuets pulling the boss after his bs rp

we specifically invited this arcane mage to burn boss there

triplpe spear, lust, pi bro is fighting the tank

HOW

[quartz locust]

pretty sure it's melee range from target, but it's not something i really worry about/figure out mid fight, just eyeball the most central mob

[coral ibex]

"oh oops i sent cds on the trash"

xdd

[young dust]

i know its from the main target and not the player, but we're having issues with spiders in broodtwister not being effectively targeted by spatter

[coral ibex]

thats wild, yell at your grippers to get them under the boss

[silk bane]

he didnt even cd trash both me and my enhance friend were at 2.2 M overall by 3rd boss

and he was 1.4

he was legit afk

[spice spire]

8y from center of target iirc

[frigid wing]

how does assa do 1st boss in ara when spiders spawn? am i supposed to reapply dots to all of them or am i spamming fan of knives with envenom only?

[young dust]

thanks, and do you know how does it work in a big target like broodtwister

its the whole circle or just the center

[hallow glade]

Does WCL not track add damage on rashanan? was wondering why rogues with caustic had 0 caustic damage on the fight

[quartz locust]

any fight generally says what's excluded at the top no?

[silk bane]

they removed pad damage from that boss

its only boss damage now + i guess stunned people? idk

[spice spire]

Just the center

[hallow glade]

I know the spikes on silken court arent included, are there any other bosses like that?

[spice spire]

That’s why it sucks for rashanan

[hallow glade]

(webs on ansurek maybe)?

[silk bane]

webs on ansurek are in

theyre importnat damage

[cursive knoll]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[young dust]

thanks

[coral ibex]

i've yet to find a model in my weakauras

and i still eat shit

nothing included with atrocityui has a model :/ i just want over 30fps in raid

[silk bane]

might be a plater issue

hiding the little spiders nameplate helped me a lot

[sudden river]

I'll say it depends on your group composition but applying crimson tempest and using evenom on your caustic splatter target

[frigid wing]

thank you

[high siren]

yo, quick question as blood dk, how "bad" is it for you to not be able to stealth between packs if I wanna connect packs ?

[normal mist]

depends on HOW you connect packs

[coral ibex]

dont chain a 5% mob

[quartz locust]

chain pulling a half health group into a new gorup is good, pulling a 5% mob into the next pack sucks

[sudden river]

Depending on the key level if you have something like a warrior that can do huge aoe burst I don't even hit them

[coral ibex]

"i'm chain pulling" -> you're just dragging a corpse to the next pack and holding me in combat

[quartz locust]

USUALLY the rogue can hang back and restealth, but not always

[sudden river]

9 and higher you need too tho

[light knoll]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[high siren]

yeah, speaking about 10s and 11s

[normal mist]

Rogues being able to stealth between packs guarantees you'll have AoE silence due to how iron wire (talent) works. If you think that's not necessary and can safely chain to a new pack, bring the pack you currently have at like 30% hp (and please don't do this if its only 1 single mob or 2 at like 5%). The rogue will have extra agility running from scent of blood (talent) and dots running which will ease the opener on new targets.

[high siren]

alright

[quartz locust]

don't forget iron wire reduces mob damage dealt

[normal mist]

Yeah that helps as well

[quartz locust]

so on a tough pull, it can save your ass

[modest gale]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[modest gale]

Is it okay to play ascension and 1x dawnthread?

[quartz locust]

super waste

[normal mist]

yeah its kinda meh

[modest gale]

I play m+ only

[normal mist]

then double dawn

[quartz locust]

like if you just need to play it in the meantime until you get another piece craefted, you gotta do what you gotta do

[modest gale]

Well my dagger was shit

[normal mist]

remove the emb and get 2x dawn

[quartz locust]

^

[modest gale]

So 200k rip

[quartz locust]

shoulda done your homework first my boi

recraft isn't as expensive tho

[normal mist]

Talents to be aware that we bring:

[modest gale]

Still need mats r3

Which are super expensive

[normal mist]

a craft

and a recraft

arent the same thing

[quartz locust]

yeah you should be able to get away with lower qual mats for the r5 recraft

depends on the crafter obviously

[normal mist]

forgot these two

[modest gale]

Thanks

[dull cloak]

I mean embellishment is not that big. I run 2x verse ones and still doing fine as sin

[normal mist]

Yeah these expansion they are kinda shit

they don't scale with Ilvl

[strange python]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes/1945843/1 so the slice and dice change isn’t coming out until this update is out?

[coral ibex]

correct

[strange python]

It seems odd to have all of these percentage changes baked into a future update on top of all of the changes they’re doing every week.

[normal mist]

We just chillin waiting for it

[steel ridge]

shouldnt be all that long until it drops tho

[normal mist]

yeah it isnt

[subtle cipher]

what bis neck we have from dungeons? keychain?

[split cloud]

hey guys, just a question about embelishments... seeing that people most likely use Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension with the Writhing Armor Banding instead of double Danthread Lining, ist it worth to swap it or just staying Dawnthread?

[normal mist]

if you mainly raid, ascension

if you mainly do m+, dawn thread

If you do both equally, Dawnthread

Sims show that Dawnthread active for 80% of the time is as good as ascension

[grand trail]

the sims are so close you can play literary w/e you want

insane season

[elfin haven]

Does anyone else find themselves telling the tank to allow stealth after they chain pull for 4 mins straight and I'm OOM as fuck?

[copper hazel]

no

because it doesnt matter

[elfin haven]

Energy doesn't matter at all? Wild

[subtle tundra]

how are you oom wtf

[copper hazel]

use your rupture skill, wild

[subtle tundra]

hidden mana bar

[fickle elm]

Try to snipe with rupture

[elder bolt]

if there are packs of mobs you shouldn't be oom at all

[steel ridge]

Kekw

lemme reg energy between packs bruh

Said no one ever

[vestal wren]

correct

[elfin haven]

Nah. Didn't say that. Trickle pulling in the first area of echoes non stop even into the boss sucks imo for sin. Missing out on stealth silence and triple rupture feels worse than not having it outside of a 2 min vanish.

[steel ridge]

Sucks more for mages

[tired gull]

i miss burst of speed

[drowsy creek]

!plater

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[royal lantern]

there is 1 caster a pack lol

wdym "no silence"

[strange python]

So if I’m reading right snd will apply on envenom so we can stop using it in the opener?

[royal lantern]

the only time you have multiple casters in arakara start is on the very first pull

[vestal wren]

yes

basically cttc works like it did before

but gives snd if its not up on a envenom cast

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-memories-name-ben-kenobi-gif-4100026

[vestal wren]

so you can just replace snd casts with evis/env/dispatch

depending on the spec

[frail wasp]

Burst of speed was fun in bgs

[quartz locust]

should feel pretty good, doesn't sound like a huge buff and it isn't obviously, but wasting that GCD on the first pull in M+ feels icky

[steel ridge]

Took them long enough

[vestal wren]

its just

remove snd from the bars

[steel ridge]

But blizz is on a QoL spree lately

[vestal wren]

instead of cast it once in the opener

[astral plover]

Wrong channel fuu

u are sub

[vestal wren]

using vanish to reset cooldowns, knowing it will soon be the last time

[steel ridge]

nodust

[waxen thunder]

Im excited to get two keybinds back

[vestal wren]

whats the 2nd?

for ER?

[waxen thunder]

SND and ER

[cloud yew]

focus target slice and dice

[vestal wren]

or for tea 🙈 ?

[frail wasp]

Echoing Reprimand is fun tho, unlike tea, imo

[waxen thunder]

I just spent too much time learning the CD window and proper tea usage to unbind that LOL

[vestal wren]

as a non assasssination main

i found ER kinda decent/good on dummy

when testing outlaw/sin

[waxen thunder]

ER isnt bad, I dont mind it, but ill take the keybind slot thats comfy for something else

[vestal wren]

but it fells horrible on Sub because of sht, blades and other shananigans

[keen rover]

Why do we tea in opener btw?

[royal python]

Does deathstalker mark stack the mutilate damage if mutilate not casted for multiple consumptions of the mark

[pliant remnant]

To put it on cooldown

[errant mauve]

Mastery increase

[vestal wren]

to get the cooldown rolling

you have 3 charges, so by using 1, you have 60 seconds to use your next charge

while already getting cdr

[keen rover]

Ok got it

Thx

[frail wasp]

Er on sub felt bad last time I tried it this expac

It still felt better than er on sub in Shadowlands though lol

That was absolutely miserable

[coral ibex]

i sit on my tea charges outside kb windows, not looking forward to the auto use change

[vestal wren]

haha

you mean season 1

or season 3

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail wasp]

S1, I think?

[rotund oak]

materials are dirt cheap rn,EU economy collapsed.Nothing is expensive anymore

[vestal wren]

s1 was basically

you initially could play kyrian

but later night fae got better

[frail wasp]

True

Tbf more of issue was main rogue spec I was playing at the time was outlaw

[cinder quartz]

speaking of qol, i member #outlaw having a tizzy fit when they combined ambush and sinister strike onto the same button

i assume removing SnD will also be equally upset

[vestal wren]

one thing that tilts me so much lately

is coup de grace

[slate bolt]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[vestal wren]

when you try to dodge something and just get out of melee and then get charged to the boss

esp. nice on queen when there is a poison zone

[vestal wren]

oh rly, i don't remember this

assassiantion getting mut/ambush

[frail wasp]

I'm pretty sure whoever came up with the concept of an animation lock on a normal CP spender

[vestal wren]

also felt like a good qol

[frail wasp]

Is either an asshole or a masochist that plays the class

Lol

[vestal wren]

i do think it works fine in principle

its just delayed gratification

[frail wasp]

It just seems like a concept that came out of nowhere to get applied to trickster tree

[cinder quartz]

the auto-ambush was a good change. an unnamed frenchman was insistent on how it was a skill check to keep ambush on another button and that auto-doing it was dumbing down the spec

[oblique plover]

!wa

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[tranquil flint]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[runic hinge]

This doesn’t narrow it down at all. Half the channel is French

[dull cloak]

coup de grace should have 20 yard range

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iNfRzA8PTsMYtnalD/d1337goIvaBI?invite=cr-MSxmT2QsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

some pro rogue gameplay right here

[cinder quartz]

i've become a fan of shadowstepping city of echoes last boss suck in

[arctic socket]

I was told you can shadow step the circle on queen

Is that true?

[cinder quartz]

portal circle? probably

[coral ibex]

i watched exile do it every pull

he stepped to firedup

[arctic socket]

That won’t fuck any stacks weirdly?

[haughty lantern]

going to add this to my assassin macro for keys

"How to explain to 2 braincell tanks why they shouldn't chain pull"

[arctic socket]

Well chain pull and their chain pulling is different

Chain pulling is fine if done properly

[haughty lantern]

all i want them is to pull/plant in an efficient manner so i actually can do the multidot silencing thing and not just hit pooling on adds.....

that said (shoot me now if you think this is treason) i have been running outlaw in keys all week and it has been FUUUUUN.

[compact stirrup]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[vestal wren]

oh somone made a bot command for it

its basically

[haughty lantern]

i also pulled another rabit out of my ass

got a champ track skardyns after carrying a team (other 2 dps were shitters, the TANK was 619) through a 4 butthole

and then I got given a champ track broodsac by a tank after carrying the final boss of ara-kara after the fury war ate shit like 1 minute into the fight

[vestal wren]

if any of your weakauras uses a model, thats rly bad for fps

[haughty lantern]

so im ready for my vault to be shit again tomorrow 🫠

[gentle badger]

I can’t find a solid answer anywhere after scouring the discord and I’m too afraid to try it in raid without knowing, does evasion save you from ulgrax devour when he’s pulling you in after soak?

[haughty lantern]

took a shot in the dark, asked the PROT WARRIOR if he needed that trink, he said nope, and I opened trade.

[haughty lantern]

I too would like to know this.

[gentle badger]

I’ve seen several people ask but 0 responses. Only people responding “no” to cloak working on it

[haughty lantern]

use your defensive CDs like offensives. use them to stand in shit and ignore mechanics

[spice spire]

Uh let’s see if I can find a log

[haughty lantern]

that said, keep trying cloak on different dots/debuffs. you would not BELIEVE the amount of shit i've found that you can just uno reverse off of yourself. (mainly in keys)

otherwise, it acts kind of like turtle. If it's magic damage, you can uno reverse it for 3 seconds.

you CAN stand in the big bloodbound horror "run away" thing if you cloak it the second before the cast goes off

[worthy laurel]

Any tips for Zekvir ?? ? I feel like most of my problems are with bursting the add down which feels like a general weakness of Ass Rogue anyway.

[arctic socket]

Go outlaw

[haughty lantern]

^^^^

assassin needs buddies to get the most out of it's kit. Outlaw says "fuck it, we yo ho"

[frank condor]

this is actually a gain in mythic since you immune the dot that kinda cranks after

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

disrespect your surroundings

become ungovernable

grow corn in your yard

[frank condor]

its ethical rather than degen only

[haughty lantern]

i tried to explain assassin rogue aoe damage to my raid team this morning

got "yelled at" for making a joke about not hard swapping to adds

like "yes, i can help you with that scarab (on silken court), BRING IT OVER HERE"

[frank condor]

sure ill hard swap let me spend 4 globals and then begin to dps with 50 energy

[haughty lantern]

exactly

i literally lose dps by hard swapping. what do you want me to do???

[frank condor]

play sub on silken tho, big fun

[haughty lantern]

fuu plz give me your wisdumb

[haughty lantern]

no thanks, i'm not a weeb

[spice spire]

It’s nature damage so no

[frank condor]

devour is not nature it is physical

but i dont think it can be evaded

[spring moat]

H ansurek down. And three shields dropped -_-

[vestal wren]

about evasion working, i am not sure.
I can tell you it works on the spin attack on the last boss on fungel folly

[frank condor]

besides shadowstep auto places you right at the circle, works for queen on wrest pull in too

[spice spire]

Oh dude

Devour

Idiot

[vestal wren]

but i haven't tested it with the drag in

[spice spire]

Sec

[vestal wren]

i would default to "it does not work", and maybe test it if we have a called whipe

[haughty lantern]

speaking of evading pull in mechanics

what about the intermission on ansurek with the pull in

[spice spire]

Step

[haughty lantern]

she smacks you for 15mil damage but can it be evaded?

[haughty lantern]

gonna have to practice this because you can also step the poison wave

[frank condor]

never do this

[haughty lantern]

explain

gib knowledge

[frank condor]

you're cucking your raid if you avoid nova

[haughty lantern]

i am not some master stabber

[haughty lantern]

do you have any idea how little that narrows it down

[dull cloak]

you can still step boss after knockup

[coral ibex]

getting knocked up prevents raid damage, avoiding it causes raid damage

[dull cloak]

but don't avoid the knockup

[gentle badger]

Every person not in the circle gives a stacking dot on the raid

[haughty lantern]

it does? how

ohhhhhhh shit

[haughty lantern]

did not know this

noted

[frank condor]

in heroic half the raid has to be in each one, for each person that misses you get an additional stack of the debuff

[haughty lantern]

so step to boss after we get sprung. gotcha. was doing that before, so i can train myself to do it again

we haven't reached heroic ansurek yet, we got heroic silken court down to like 8%

so we'll reach heroic ansurek tomorrow/wednesday

[frank condor]

if you have 2 debuffs your team is good, if you have more they suck or you have folks dead

on the opposite side, DO cheese the portal mechanic

in p3

[vestal wren]

i remember some step discussions around that

[spice spire]

See nothing on devour, gonna assume it’s a no go. But will test it if we do some rat raid this week.
Did learn that you can evade the charge in intermission

[frank condor]

because you will avoid the extra debuff if you step over the shrinking line

[spice spire]

But the dot still effects you

[haughty lantern]

step makes sense b/c i am like 95% sure you step to just outside of her smack ring, and i ASSUME stepping also cancels out the momentum from the pull

just pray to rng you don't accidentally step into a poison wave

[frank condor]

the circles in heroic during p1 intermissions are actually super generous

[haughty lantern]

do we have? (if not, "we" should make) an article of all the mechanics you can cheese as a rogue. Step, Evasion, or Cloak

[frank condor]

you won't kill anyone standing on them to dodge a posion ball

[coral ibex]

an exhaustive list of this would be enormous

[severe sparrow]

we had one

and no one kept it up to date

so they stopped having it

😦

[coral ibex]

yea someone has to maintain that list

big job to verify every "i cloaked x mech" claim

[severe sparrow]

you know idk

[coral ibex]

you could do a google form i guess but people dont like filling out forms

[haughty lantern]

well a good way to cut that list down would just be a quick overview of "werf" vs "not werf"

like the poison nova on ansurek. you CAN step through that on heroic, but doing so screws your raid team, so don't.

But on mythic BBhorror, cloaking the run out nova actually prevents the dot from sticking to you, so DO cloak that (half ethical, half degen )

[severe sparrow]

for half of the mechanics you coud just pug into some trash normal or lfr or something

[frank condor]

with how squishy yellow class is right now it's a bit spooky to cloak for greed unless you're in super farm content

[upper spear]

i like to test most mechanics on prog cause fuck it why not

[severe sparrow]

in mythic or heroic?

[upper spear]

just cloaking/evasion random shit

[spice spire]

We did that

And no one did it

[coral ibex]

color me surprised

[severe sparrow]

heroic im greeding all day and pissing off my rl

[spice spire]

Asked pretty exhaustively in 9.2

[upper spear]

100

[spice spire]

So by df form died

We had all dungeons + raid mechanics

[frank condor]

nothing will kill you in heroic anyway except queen or silken if you guys don't stop the charge, even then wiht personals you can live it

[haughty lantern]

yeah sounds more like a personal project sort of deal for a turbo nerd with way too much time, or something like a youtuber would put out to hyper analyze mechanics of a game (like something out of destiny)

I would offer but sadly am in school rn so I don't have the time

[severe sparrow]

i would contribute to it if i was back, but i dont wanna be THE PERSON in charge of it

[haughty lantern]

cheat death go woosh

[coral ibex]

when i was progging heroic court last week we didn't know it got nerfed to only need 1 tether to stop the bug man

[spice spire]

It was a whispyr form.
But it was myself, oxi, and him that maintained

[soft shale]

someone also said it in sub but basically i was doing it but no one cared so i stopped

[spice spire]

So it wasn’t just one person

But still

[coral ibex]

its so easy now

[soft shale]

so the two times we tried we kinda got alone and if someone asks every half a full moon

we can just repluy

[spice spire]

Weird stuff like devour

[severe sparrow]

you know what else i miss

[spice spire]

Never on the radar tho

[severe sparrow]

is the podcast

[spice spire]

Us?

[spice spire]

Same

[worldly bridge]

Oyyy can you Meld / Vanish the Sikran charge thing ?

[frank condor]

if you're spot 1 you can

[worldly bridge]

Something weird happened the other day when a guy died and didnt proc ghost so i looked up "Sikran" on wago and found this : https://wago.io/MAQi8XGDc

[frank condor]

as in his first charge in the chain

afaik

[worldly bridge]

Doesnt work for the others ?

[spice spire]

Can you if you time it precisely after each charge

(It’s half a second at best)

[worldly bridge]

My raid is messy (and probbly my brain) and im having trouble figuring out early if im first or nah until we're all gathered up

[frank condor]

once feint is off gcd im elusiveness chad, get rekt periodic damage im gonna LIVE

[spice spire]

Line would go directly to you from boss if you’re first

[upper spear]

i forgot about this change, when is it?

[frank condor]

if you're saving vanish rather then using in your opener that's kinda shitty tho

[worldly bridge]

yeaaaah but imagine im stacked with the melees and then the other guy starts running and i cant see shit. Idk MOST LIKELY A ME PROBLEM

[worldly bridge]

I'm N.elf ill try to meld it

[fallow canopy]

sorry my vicious venoms are covering your message

[frank condor]

tfw you open with ambush but DSM doesn't go and you have to burn a vanish to apply

couldn't be me dude

[frigid wing]

what am i doing wrong if i find myself running out of energy during boss fights?

[fallow canopy]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[fallow canopy]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[frank condor]

mutilating rather than chillalating, also good tea usage

(im horrible at thistle tea i feel)

[frank condor]

i thought it was coming in the next patch

[upper spear]

I have a question that im afraid to ask

why is Outlaw parsing higher in pure ST fights

[eager tree]

parsing? you mean simming?

[balmy condor]

we tried that btw

[haughty lantern]

yeeeaaaaah quake gave me the rundown

[severe sparrow]

[balmy condor]

absolute fucking nightmare

[severe sparrow]

i said id contribute if it came back tbf

but

fuck organizing

[balmy condor]

yeah so instead of 5 people

it would be 2, and you makes 3

[upper spear]

im jsut glancing over heroic ect... maybe not the best data set. But Outlaw is top in Sikran and Kyveza

[eager tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[severe sparrow]

YEAH WHISPYR WE GOT THIS

[eager tree]

outlaw does more ST dps because it as a spec does more ST dps than assassination, see spreadsheet

sin rogue does not have good ST

[haughty lantern]

not even, like 50% of my priority rn is school, 30% is home life, and 20% is gaming. I don't think that 20% would be anywhere near enough to help with this project.

[balmy condor]

the worst part honestly is when people just submitted a form and it said like "this works with feint"

and then you're like wait really?

[severe sparrow]

"outlaw does for dps cuz it does more dps"

[balmy condor]

and they don't include a log showing it

[eager tree]

im so confused as to your question

[balmy condor]

they just go "yeah it works"

and you're like no shot that works

[eager tree]

blizzard has programmed outlaw's ST build to do more ST damage than sin rogue's ST build

[balmy condor]

so you grab a couple people

[eager tree]

that is the ultimate answer

[upper spear]

i gathered that from the logs, but its just insane to me that the AOE spec is now ST and reverse with Assa

[balmy condor]

and then run into the dungeon

spend 10 min clearing to the mechanic in question

feint

doesn't work

[spice spire]

Or @ebon notch tries reading logs

And just

[severe sparrow]

feint scares me cuz i dont have enough brain cells to look at a log and make sure it's 100% actually feint giving me dr and not some buff from another class

[spice spire]

Mislead me with his dog ass

[eager tree]

sin rogue is the AOE spec

[spice spire]

It tells you in the log if feint works. Logs are kinda glorious

[balmy condor]

yeh like I would love to make it a community check thing and anyone can submit, but I'm gonna be real, I don't trust 99% of people to actually submit good info

[frank condor]

think of it this way - heroic kill timers are super short and outlaw has a specific damage profile. sikran and kyveza are patchwerk fights that reward constant uptime which is what outlaw is

[vast loom]

also outlaw is deceptivly hard in any actual content, every small mistake adds up a lot on outlaw

[balmy condor]

we'd basically be stuck verifying

[frank condor]

as soon as outlaw can't hit something its damage goes into the garbage can

[severe sparrow]

i can work logs enough to get what i want out of them but once i get into "i know this info is here but idk how to get to it" i get too frustrated to figure it out

[dull cloak]

outlaw you just roll good rng on lucky coin proc time lol

[upper spear]

you could have 2 sections, one for "anyone to submit" and another with permissions that trusted verifiers can confirm

[silk bane]

shrimply delete anything not attached with a log

[balmy condor]

yeah, that's what we did lmao

[upper spear]

ah

[silk bane]

maybe add a command to moroes to delete anything from that channel that doesnt have a wclogs link in it

[severe sparrow]

the good ol pics or gtfo

[spice spire]

And get nothing 🙂

Like

That happened

Lol

[silk bane]

wait what

[spice spire]

Moroes had a command

[balmy condor]

we got about 50 submissions total over the course of 2 seasons, 3 of them had logs

and 2 of those logs were incorrect

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

like i said, this seems more like an obsession project for a youtuber and their team to dive into, like explaining range and damage dropoff in an fps

[silk bane]

LMFAO

okay eyah maybe not worth then

[upper wraith]

why is every single rogue streamer EU

[upper spear]

because its EU times rn

[balmy condor]

I didn't know I was EU

[haughty lantern]

do you know how hard it is to be subtle as an american?

[upper wraith]

lol

[silk bane]

youre a maple story streamer

wym

[balmy condor]

fuck

true

[severe sparrow]

it's pretty easy to be an ass tho

[spice spire]

I’ve never bottomed a day in my life

[upper wraith]

stream a thick SV for me PLEEEEASE

[runic hinge]

Evasion does not work on last boss in CoT brown circle, I can tell you that

[silk bane]

I have a feral in my group. their name is "boomiediff" im confused

[vestal wren]

maple story stream when?

[severe sparrow]

i usually see that the other way around, cat themed name but is boomie

[haughty lantern]

our feral druids nickname in details is "Hekiliguideme" and they unironically compete with me and like 3 other dps for top dps depending on the fight

[runic hinge]

the diff is, you don't have a boomie

[silk bane]

u guys are shrimply too based

[eager tree]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

just spec elusiveness and feint works on everything

[severe sparrow]

maybe they named themselves that so they could get into pugs

[silk bane]

bro forgot when elusiveness itself wasnt working during beta

[spring stream]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[severe sparrow]

since ig no one takes feral or something

[haughty lantern]

the funny thing is that she HATES pugging

[wispy epoch]

Why would it, it doesn’t target you…

[haughty lantern]

her guild note is literally "I HATE mythics"

[severe sparrow]

are there people who like pugging tbf

[haughty lantern]

pug owners

[severe sparrow]

gross

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[ebon notch]

what happened

[spice spire]

I’m him

[spice spire]

When you sent in jailer logs

On things that feint worked on

And we’re like 0/5

[zealous wolf]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[haughty lantern]

pugs/keys are literally like chores. I take adhd meds to get through them and stop when the meds wear off

[balmy condor]

ew m+

[severe sparrow]

im still trying to delete the memory of jailer fight from my mind

[wispy epoch]

Do we have a spreadsheet of what abilities feint works on in m+?

[spice spire]

Dog no shot

[upper wraith]

sadge

[haughty lantern]

[balmy condor]

tomorrow when the servers have an extra 5 hours of extended maint

[haughty lantern]

I SWEAR THAT IS NOT MY ALT ACCOUNT

[fallow canopy]

only 5? stonks

[vestal wren]

i have a theory about the reason they had the long downtime

[runic hinge]

brown shit on the ground I associate with physical damage, a lot of frontals and circle aoe can be evasioned

[haughty lantern]

i only have the one account (the previous one got stolen b/c i was big dumb)

[kindred hinge]

I got inv into NW 12 then kicked out and replaced by an Outlaw, I feel violated. Who pick Oultaw In NW ? 😦

[balmy condor]

surely this is the reset where NA doesn't explode right

[severe sparrow]

thank god i work during the day and none of this affects me

[fallow canopy]

nokhud flashbacks

[wispy epoch]

No way…

[haughty lantern]

HONESTLY i would take this b/c i have an exam on wednesday and need to study

[vestal wren]

they had to get all the maps from delves out of the game, had to carry them out of the server room

[runic hinge]

Nokhud big guys at the start you can evasion their shit for sure

[balmy condor]

[haughty lantern]

"earth"/bludgeoning damage --> is probably physical

[severe sparrow]

what maps

they never existed

[vestal wren]

exactly

[severe sparrow]

fuck

[haughty lantern]

you mean that one character from dora?

[fallow canopy]

servers got invaded by zekvir