assassination

[indigo elk]

Blizzard and jank coding, name a more iconic duo

[runic hinge]

beat my sim on nexus princess are sims fake @keen spruce

[balmy condor]

Based

Being able to beat sims is a good thing

[runic hinge]

I'm memeing

[balmy condor]

Okay so you’re shit then and didn’t beat your sim

Fucking loser

[runic hinge]

I jsut wanted quakster to know i parsed well

Oh, no i definitely beat the sim

[balmy condor]

Based

Being able to beat the sim is a good thing

[hushed elbow]

bloodbound horror on mythic do you guys swap to adds or just stick to boss?

they die so fast idk if its worth

[runic hinge]

Jk I'm stupid I lost by 800 dps

[balmy condor]

Adds for sure

[hallow glade]

my guild lets me fuck off and kill the separate add

[balmy condor]

I kingsbane harbingers or whatever the big fucks are called

[hushed elbow]

and deathmark on rip?

[past forum]

the casty guy or the spawny guy?

[hallow glade]

2 minutes on pull and then in p2 it lines up well

the spawny guy that spawns far away in p2

[balmy condor]

Yeh of course

[balmy condor]

Casty guy

[hushed elbow]

ah im in first down i dont think i have kingbane back in time

[balmy condor]

And then he gets pulled on top of the spawners

And then kaboom

[past forum]

okay, i did spawny guy once and it felt very wrong cause he got blasted

[hushed elbow]

unless u got 2 fel scarred DH in your guild x.x

@balmy condor are you holding vanish to appply deathmark?

[balmy condor]

I have 2 frost dk, fury, ret, and a dh

[balmy condor]

Yep

I don’t play imp gar on any fight

[hushed elbow]

thanks whispyr

[past forum]

i was clinging to imp garrote for so long but it felt so good to say goodbye

[grand trail]

What's wrong with imp garrote

[hushed elbow]

it slaps if you work it into deathmark*, but my guess is people arent applying it at the end of the window

[balmy condor]

Imp gar is just kinda whatever and you need to use your vanish

So much comfier to just drop it and hold vanish for the mark

[hushed elbow]

i mean what else are you gonna use it on in single target tho?

[balmy condor]

Nothing

[hushed elbow]

reapply mark 1 gcd sooner

[balmy condor]

That’s the whole point

No

[hushed elbow]

do you not vanish without it?

[balmy condor]

Reapply mark through intermissions

[hushed elbow]

mm

yeah nice on certain fights for sure

but bosses where you're blasting like Rasha you can get slightly more value rather than improved poisons right?

[balmy condor]

Not really no

[hushed elbow]

huh okay

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s either imp poison or imp garrote

Poisons/garrote benefit from all the same things

Poisons spatter

So it’s either minor buff in single target burst, or minor buff in single target overall, which also spatters

Imp gar is like 0.2% better for some people, it’s very close

It’s not better for me personally

So it’s just like why bother

Having to vanish and getting less aoe and just headache for something that’s barely out of margin of error

Who cares ya know

[hushed elbow]

i mean good point, not having to think about it probably value enough

[solar orbit]

what doesn't work? is the dmg lower?

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t stack

[solar orbit]

Oh, I thought you mean MH doesn't work

[ebon heath]

Do you guys use DTB or bleed AP for 7s ?

[balmy condor]

Hybrid

For all key levels

[hushed elbow]

5% caustic splatter nerfs got me feelin some type of way

[balmy condor]

Yeah very happy about that

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

Good step in the right direction

[wispy epoch]

Okay dumb question probably asked here a ton…

On keys with solo bosses or one add, if I have the energy for crimson tempest and all my bleeds are up besides it…

Do I use it or just go for the envenom

[spring sigil]

Damn, did Urgrax on mythic earlier. Took my full aoe build and my damage sucked 😭

Didn't help i was at 8fps with the amount of adds lmfao

[wispy epoch]

Basically asking if Crimson Tempest on a ST is ever right

[edgy dragon]

@balmy condor Just a heads up - you've got Spyglass listed as BiS, but also ranked as A in the trinkets section

(not sure if there's something more worth adding to explanation or just an update oversight)

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

[slate crown]

It's technically very slightly better to use it in ST if you have Moment of Despair up

but it's not a big deal

to just ignore that and env

momentum*

[wispy epoch]

Okay was just wondering! Ty

[balmy condor]

That’s intended yep thanks

[storm forum]

ive had transmitter for two pulls and i already hate it

[hushed elbow]

transmitter is dookie

[runic hinge]

I'm running double passive to not run transmitter

[balmy condor]

I don’t even have a transmitter and I’m running double passive atm

[wispy epoch]

Is there anything really specific we need to know about Queen’s poison ring?

[balmy condor]

no

[wispy epoch]

It seems really good for us bc of the extra procs from nature damage

[balmy condor]

it just does free damage

[wispy epoch]

Y
A
Y

[balmy condor]

the extra nature procs

are like

kinda shit

[runic hinge]

but it's not better for use than anyone else really

[balmy condor]

yeh I think I'm like 8th in line for it

[wispy epoch]

I got it from a pug and people were fuming

And asking to buy it

[balmy condor]

yeh, I mean it is the best ring for every spec in the game

it's a full stat value ring

with bonus damage

and ring + bonus is better than just ring

[shadow patio]

What about Queens mandate the trinket

[spice surge]

Theres a couple of specs where its not bis, but theyre very few

[boreal aurora]

I was under the assumption that crafting wrist/belt with dawnthread would stack, I guess not?

[hollow fiber]

Finally got skardyn, i have knife and sacbrood and skardyn+knife sims higher, do i really drop brood for it or does knife sim weird?

[storm forum]

knife is best for its ilvl, but gets outscaled by myth track stuff

[shadow patio]

I’m in the same boat with the queens mandate

[spice surge]

It does

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[shy pecan]

Why would knife sim weird?

[spice surge]

Knife is good

[hollow fiber]

Thanks guys! Was just curious if the stat reduction simmed for best case only or something @shy pecan

[spice surge]

Its technically better than it sims because you can cloak off the debuff

[shy pecan]

Sims are an average, not best case scenario

[shadow patio]

Nobody knows about Queens mandate?

[hollow fiber]

sweet, thanks!

[coral ibex]

yea nobody knows about that trinket

[boreal aurora]

thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

what about it

it's a trinket you press and it does damage

[dense cloud]

616 from delve vault is that hero or champ?

[balmy condor]

hero

[dense cloud]

I might farm the boss then for the delve vault, maybe the trinket drops in higher ilvl

[shadow patio]

Should I save it until after I use my skardyns or before?

[dense cloud]

running thru delves is boring af

[balmy condor]

always after of course

[shadow patio]

Ok

[balmy condor]

you don't want to be sitting there casting a trinket mid cds

[shadow patio]

😂

[balmy condor]

and you don't want a big mastery buff outside of cooldowns

makes no sense

[shadow patio]

Ye just wanted to double check

[vagrant brook]

do zekvir's lair instead

[runic hinge]

do 8 zekvir ?

ez done 20 minutes

[balmy condor]

yeh

took me legit 15 minutes on tuesday

was free

[olive lagoon]

@balmy condor I have a questions 5+ or 6+ points evenoms in deathstalker

[coral ibex]

5 unless you need the 7cp for the capstone

[balmy condor]

^

regardless of deathstalker or anything

it's always 5

[olive lagoon]

thank you Sub rogue is too?

[balmy condor]

no clue

would suggest a sub rogue guide

they have rules for in/out of dance and stuff

[olive lagoon]

Thank you ma man

[exotic rose]

Anyone simming higher with MA again on ST?

[balmy condor]

it's possible yeah

I don't really suggest playing it outside of raw single target fights like sikran/kyveza

but if you want to, go for it

[exotic rose]

Yeah, only ST

I was surprised because I thought the other talents were better

Do we then try to get the end of KB like DF, or we just refresh the empowered garrote?

[balmy condor]

you play for the improved garrote

MA just exists

[olive lagoon]

@balmy condor Sometimes Deathtalker Mark and Darkest night Buffs on same time this is a bugged? or It intended? If I had Darkedt night buff don't use ambush?

[balmy condor]

you can't consume mark stacks while darkest night is up

that's a bug

idk what the question really is though

[olive lagoon]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

you just consume darkest night and it's back to normal

[olive lagoon]

Ambush make a mark so When I have Darkest night buff I want to skip 7cp Evenom but they dosent work Sadge

[dapper cradle]

If you ambush a target with DN up, and then proc DN for more marks, would you get 2x clear the witnesses?

[balmy condor]

why would you want to skip 7cp envenom

[balmy condor]

no it would overwrite the first

how would you even get into that situation

[dapper cradle]

But if you consume the first clear the witnesses before you consume DN, could you benefit from both?

[balmy condor]

if you're in aoe you'd have to fok anyway

[balmy condor]

yeh ofc

you're applying 2 marks

[dapper cradle]

You’re cute af bro ty

[balmy condor]

np

[royal python]

@balmy condor sir still not understood the upcoming tuning implications, if the two hero trees sim similar uptil now, n the buffs only benefit deathstalker, isn't that going to create a gap

[slate crown]

They don't only benefit deathstalker

what do you mean

[royal python]

Just going by his youtube video, tails apparently already was benefiting from tincture so very marginal benefits for fatebound

[balmy condor]

yes?

there's already a gap

its widening with the tuning

[royal python]

Ok thanks

[winged gust]

yo can someone explain sudden demise in baby terms please idk why i cant understand it

[dusty zenith]

Bleed make bad guy go splat

[coral ibex]

when a guy dies and your bleeds are on it, you lose damage because you dont get to bleed them

sudden demise causes a % of your bleed damage to instantly happen and kill them

its loss prevention

so if a guy has a rupture for 150 damage on him and he has 100 health, he will die to 100 sudden demise damage

[hushed elbow]

CoS doesnt block shattering sweep?

[timid widget]

If I'm on single target and clear the witness comes up and I'm at 6cp should I use FoK to save energy to get the last cp tp envenom?

[coral ibex]

you dont need 7cp unless you need to consume darkest night

so you'd just send a 6cp env i think

can use the extra cp from ctw for the required 7cp'

[wary musk]

Hey guys. Are the embelishments on crafted items bugged? I put dawnthread lining on two items, but only one of them is granting me crit

[blazing pumice]

it should be the same buff

double the value

[wary musk]

The buff only shows value from one of the items even if I have both equipped. Unequipping one of them dosn't lower my crit, nor does it increase when I put it back on again

[drifting cloud]

it bugs out and you need t o take dmg or some shit

theres a weakaura you can get so you know when its bugged

[wary musk]

Sigh... Another bug to add to the list lmfao.

[wary musk]

Do you by any chance have a link to it?

[drifting cloud]

no link sorry, just know it exists

[wary musk]

I just fell down a building and took 50% hp. After going above 80% it's now showing the correct value on the buff. Thanks for the info. Crazy we have to deal with this bs in addition to all the other bugs

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

I actually lost by 800 dps im trash

[oak tangle]

what ur ilvl?

[drifting cloud]

lower iterations and sim more until its a lower number

[runic hinge]

614 i think

[balmy condor]

I made the sim say 8008135 at one point

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

was super sick

[oak tangle]

you got me beat

[novel star]

patchwerk sims dont do anything special with ovinax egg right

just afk

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure it just uses it on cd

but shouldn't really need to

[novel star]

ovinax egg is da passive

[balmy condor]

there's no movement

ovi'nax egg is an on use

:)

[novel star]

is it?

oh yeah

its both

u right

[runic hinge]

I did not roll on that am i dumb?

[novel star]

uh idk

its pretty mid i think

[runic hinge]

yeah i was like it seems stupid

[balmy condor]

yeh its bad

[novel star]

piss trink

vs piss trinks

no fucking skardyns wants to drop

its over

[amber brook]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[oak tangle]

i can't get sacbrood, but i did get a spyglass so we chillin

[runic hinge]

Yeha it’s bad

[oak tangle]

i cri

didnt get PI

on sikran

[amber brook]

is spyglass not the preferred choice?

[oak tangle]

i think he means bad as in, the getting trinket luck situation

[balmy condor]

spyglass is one of the options

there's like 8 trinkets you can use in that slot

[amber brook]

8 sounds insane

[balmy condor]

I mean lets see

spyglass, arakara

dawnbreaker crystal

mandate

oh

contract

the ritual knife

how many is that

6?

sikrans is usable especially in aoe so make that 7

and then it's like ovi'nax egg kinda slightly under that

so okay, 6-8 then

[amber brook]

spoiled for choices

No issues with using double on use trinks right?

[storm forum]

how is the damage on-use in that slot?

[oak tangle]

limited options for heroic versions though

[storm forum]

i know double on use sucks but i wanna know

[oak tangle]

is about the only stretch

[balmy condor]

as long as it's not transmitter + skardyns double on use is good

[amber brook]

but never double equip right?

[balmy condor]

like skardyns + mandate is realisitically probably the best in single target

[balmy condor]

double equip is fine in dungeons

like arakara/crystal is good

[strange python]

i only have 606 skardens so swaped it out for contractr + madate for now

[balmy condor]

spyglass/arakara

ritual knife/spyglass

[amber brook]

vg5jtkrihYUO<IWO-/[k ml=

[storm forum]

[amber brook]

Will take note of that ty

[balmy condor]

you play skardyns/transmitter in one slot to buff your single target

[stray fox]

[balmy condor]

if you don't need single target burst

you can drop the skardyns and it's fine

like I play double passive on ovi'nax

[runic hinge]

95% envenom uptime on princess is wild, we do not have energy issues, these people are crazy

[novel star]

truly cant believe i have fucking balls build

double sack build

why is grim batol so cruel

[oak tangle]

bet your thistle tea hits hard

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/ross-im-fine-friends-upset-gif-11661294

[frigid wing]

if im 5 or 6/7 combo points is it worth to get to 7 or just spending at 5 or 6 is fine?

[silent drift]

I see alot of assas rogues run sacbrood, but mine sims like shit. Is there something im missing with that trinket?

[fleet pagoda]

spending on 5+ is fine, definitely get to 7 if you have Darkest Nights though

[fleet pagoda]

your character will sim different from other peoples'

[novel star]

btw idk how many models were in that shit @balmy condor but i raided tn and i felt like my fps was hella better with the only change being updating ur wa lmao

[honest needle]

is there a weakaura for cloak of shadows that helpes me cloak at better times

[novel star]

what an insane issue

[storm forum]

I think sacbrood is also better in AoE/cleave this is wrong

[honest needle]

because i never know if i have soemthing on me because my frames or nothing tells me

[storm forum]

and theres a lot of that in the raid

[cerulean walrus]

I heard Whispyr’s nude models were in there too

The losses were too great

[novel star]

[cerulean walrus]

He may have removed the models but he removed the models too

[balmy condor]

all 7cp and the energy bar

[novel star]

oh wtf

[cerulean walrus]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

it was purely cosmetic for the background glow

[novel star]

isnt it like - multiple frames

per sec

per model

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah that’s a lot lmao

[novel star]

jesus

[balmy condor]

I mean was like 8 models yeah

should give back uh

[runic hinge]

Fatebound getting closer

[balmy condor]

like 25-35 frames

[novel star]

fb like .5% for my character now or something

still playing ds

[novel star]

holy shit ok

[balmy condor]

yeah until tuesday

[cerulean walrus]

Until chewsday

Yep

[novel star]

i didnt even notice any visual difference on the wa so

whatever cosmetic benefit was there

straight didnt exist to my eyes

[dim yacht]

what do people use for simming for m+

any suggested settings?

[half tartan]

Was the patch change approx 4% more ST for most?

[novel star]

dslice

[dim yacht]

i thought dslice was garbo

[novel star]

its better than any other option afaik

aoe patchwerk and routes are also garbo

dungeon simming is just garbo regardless

[dim yacht]

im really just trying to get an idea if i have too much mastery or not

[novel star]

too much of a stat isnt really a thing

but if it was

dslice would be fine for something general like that

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[coral ibex]

mastery is a really good stat to have

[distant plinth]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[dim yacht]

i asked because when i simmed my stats, i was getting crit being worth way more than mastery

[dusty crescent]

i'm on 32% crit 44% mastery atm

[novel star]

you should not sim stats

or look at stats

[dusty crescent]

we chillin

[novel star]

sim gear drops directly

[dim yacht]

im interested in whetehr i should change my enchants, but iguess i can do the same thing with that

[novel star]

ya

top gear can do literally every relevant thing

[distant plinth]

damn im on 24 critt and 55% mastery T_T

[novel star]

stat weights are very very bad and useless

[dim yacht]

im at 23 crit and 57 mastery

[dusty crescent]

i want fucking skardyns so bad

[coral ibex]

i want it more

[dusty crescent]

i've done 47 GB runs

[dusty crescent]

i got queens mandate tho

[novel star]

if i dont get a skardyns today im gonna do something bad

[dusty crescent]

and that's a cool trinket

[novel star]

oh wait yeah mandate exists

fuk

i gotta pug queen too XD i love not having a guild

[dusty crescent]

I don't have a mythic guild so my only hope for gear is M+

[spice spire]

Bro just join a guild.
People need u

[torn shadow]

What’s happening Tuesday? Oh god I’m so behind on the knowledge

[dusty crescent]

not getting picked up because i'm not a brezzer or luster is pain

[spice spire]

Buff

Pins etc

[novel star]

i am trying

well i did join a guild

that was insanely bad

wasted a month

and now i have to grind trials on like week 5 or whatever

[dusty crescent]

i'm in a one day a week heroic max guild

[novel star]

🙃

[spice spire]

My guild is bad.
I do not care

[spice spire]

Same big dog

[novel star]

no they were bad like incapable bad

[spice spire]

Our rogues are me and @ember mural

[novel star]

week 3 i had to pug aotc cus they couldnt kill queen

im out that bitch now

gm was an insane person too

https://tenor.com/view/cuddles-cuddle-cat-cat-cuddle-sleepy-cat-cat-sleepy-gif-13127427148831486106

[spice spire]

Ahh

I value free time over raid rn

Cba with mythic

[torn shadow]

Ah cheeeers I need to check that shit

[novel star]

im fine with being in a 2 day mythic guild that has slow prog or whatever but like

wcl page advertising ce team and they cant clear hc is insane

me and all of the other good players all left this week

[storm hedge]

HC is hard this tier tho...

[novel star]

it is not

queen is a 6 person fight

[spice spire]

Yeah gonna say this raid seems like

[novel star]

if 6 people can do mechanics you win

[spice spire]

Infinitely easier than like vaults

[storm hedge]

Not true. If you have more than 2 bad people in your raid you aren't going to get through phase 1

[dusty crescent]

takes 1 person to screw bomb

[torn shadow]

That’s promising, I have so many bad people in my raid team

[storm hedge]

Maybe with gear now you can. But week 1 and 2 the stacking debuff from screwing the bomb just hurt too much

[novel star]

i mean

all you have to do to not stack the debuff is understand odds and evens

odds go one side evens go other side

stay there the entire fight

win

[dusty crescent]

i don't even get invites to 5's when i'm higher ilvl and rio than the fucking leader T.T

[storm hedge]

Also means you can't die phase 1 though

That's the problem

[novel star]

not dying is easy just dont stand in shit

[storm hedge]

Yeah for a 99 parser like you

[novel star]

blades are only scary if you greed them for melee uptime

but you dont need to do that in heroic

no damage check really

can just vibe

and run away

[storm hedge]

But not for everybody in every raid team...

[spice spire]

[storm hedge]

Phase 1 is also much harder with 30 vs 20 people...

And just imagine being average player and screwing up only 1 in 10 pulls. That means if you have average team 2 people screw up every pull and that's just too much.

[novel star]

i get what ur saying but also i think the no damage check thing is really important lol

like

in heroic you can legit play like a baby and run 5 miles away from the boss every single mechanic

and still kill it

[dusty crescent]

this m+ season so ass

[storm hedge]

Oh yeah that's super true. We were pushing phase 2 with 40%

[dusty crescent]

shoulda just played shamansmfh

[junior yoke]

Hello, do we use CT on single target on m+? on a boss for example

[novel star]

no

technically if your fan of knives crits when you consume clear the witnesses

its a 0.3% gain to ct

but that is so cancer to track

and not worth it

[junior yoke]

nice then, I wasn't using it unless tthere are a couple of adds

[balmy condor]

what changes in p1 with player count?

[junior yoke]

thank you 🙂

[storm hedge]

But for any raid team who isn't super stacked, the boss just isn't that easy you make it seems. Every single person has to do their job. When no one can screw up it's just a hard boss

[balmy condor]

ansurek felt pretty forgiving for us, only time it felt punishing was week 1 when we rolled into heroic at like 603 ilvl

[storm hedge]

Just statistics, you have much higher chance that one or two people die and you die to bombs

[balmy condor]

and we carry guildies for loot carry

[storm hedge]

We couldn't do it at 610

Week 2

[balmy condor]

gear scaling is pretty insane though

shouldn't be a problem now right?

just going from 603 to 610 for us ansurek was a one shot

was crazy

[storm hedge]

We'll see today actually how much easier it is.

[balmy condor]

took us 10 hours for all of heroic on release

week 2 we rolled in with vault and some m+ gear

and we cleared all of heroic in an hour and a half

[ember mural]

its not bad wtf

[balmy condor]

was actually fucking insane

idk what they did to ilvl scaling

[drifting cloud]

wait what you took 10h in hc week1

[balmy condor]

but the difference is huge

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

yah

for all 8

[drifting cloud]

did people not craft/enchant or

[balmy condor]

during heroic week?

could you even craft

[drifting cloud]

like 590 gear

[balmy condor]

I didn't craft anything until mythic week 2

well yeah we had 590 gear

walked in with like 600-603 I think

let me check

[drifting cloud]

I guess depends on raid days and how much m0 people did

[dusty crescent]

must be nice to have guildies with hands

[storm hedge]

Your guild is probably HoF guild Whispyr right?

[balmy condor]

not even remotely

[dusty crescent]

I have people who have 60% downtime where they're literally not pressing buttons at all lmao

[drifting cloud]

have you watched ansurek whispyr

holy shit this boss is going to farm everyone

10min of 100% concentration

[storm hedge]

Well I guess I'm not getting CE this tier either

[dusty crescent]

one day a week hardcore raiding doesn't seem to exist for me T.T

[drifting cloud]

well in 3months with aura you might be able to run it over also will be 5 nerfs inbetween

but even when aura is 10-15% shes going to still be a super hard boss

[worthy laurel]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

so 3 hour raids, day 1 on tuesday we were 590 average ilvl, did first 3 normal and then heroic up to ovi'nax kill, day 2 we were 599 and it took us all night for court, one pull on asurek, day 3 we were 602 and wiped all night, day 4 we killed in an hour at 605

so yeh

10 hours for normal+heroic

[drifting cloud]

oh all night for court, I see where it went wrong

[storm hedge]

It's gonna be super easy once you skip the last bomb cause that overlap is the hardest in p1 (I'm assuming it forces intermission at some %)

[balmy condor]

we were 606 after vault

and just full one shot all of heroic in 1:30

well, 1:40

who's counting

[earnest remnant]

U just did

[drifting cloud]

yeah heroic is just hard to compare between tier, shes prob slightly easier than rasz, but prob harder than like last 5 tiers otherwise

[balmy condor]

yeh

p1 healer check is rough

[primal idol]

Does Authority of the Depths stack when on both daggers?

[balmy condor]

yes

[rotund oak]

[primal idol]

ty

[storm hedge]

I haven't raided rasz, the last heroic boss I felt was this hard is Denathrius

But I was in a worse guild back then. So who knows actually

[balmy condor]

what wr do you play at now

[drifting cloud]

shes harder than sire I think

but gearing that tier was also turbo weird if people did pvp

[storm hedge]

Not sure tbh,

They were 7/8M last tier so

[drifting cloud]

but its like whispyr said, you walk in 1 week later with 5-10 ilvl more in early gearing weeks

and it feels like you went down a difficulty

[balmy condor]

time for a logcheck

[drifting cloud]

doesnt matter 4 people die in p1 anymore

she just flops before 2nd set of adds in p3

[storm hedge]

2539

[balmy condor]

yeh that's probably more rough

fighting roster boss more than anything at that rank

cause the bottom half of your raid stinks I assume

that's around where I was when I was raid leading

[storm hedge]

It doesn't feel like it though. At least compared to my past raid teams.

[vale maple]

the real endgame grind is applying to endless grim batol keys qq

[coral ibex]

and getting declined so another wheelchair bound ret can get invited

[balmy condor]

yeah it never feels like that until you're like playing in a 1k guild

and then a 500 guild

and then a 250 guild

and then a top 100 guild

[vale maple]

How many would-be skardyn containing chests have been wasted on the wheelchair rets

[balmy condor]

like I didn't think we were bad at 2500 and then I got obliterated in heroic pugs by wr 1000 people cause I sucked

and I was like

ah.

[drifting cloud]

whispyr will never be the same after he had to go sub on tindral

[balmy condor]

it's just really hard to conceptualize the skill difference, both upwards and downwards

[storm hedge]

I feel like we would be in top 1k if we just raided more often. We only killed first on mythic we'll see how much prog we can do today. I think we can easily do 3/8M

[drifting cloud]

how much do you raid

if its 6h you have to be decent at the game, 8-9h for 1k shouldnt be hard to achieve objectively

[fading linden]

Hey guys, getting back to rogues overall, how are we in raid ST? and also how is that with making one mistake and messing whole dps? WW monk main and sometimes having hard time

[storm hedge]

2days, 3h per day

[balmy condor]

starting tuesday with the buffs we'll be kinda middle of the pack-ish

and idk, depends on the mistake

pressing 2 gcds in the wrong order won't do shit

but like simply not pressing deathmark

obviously big problem

[drifting cloud]

problem with 6h is if people come turbo unprepared to raids you just lose so much time for stuff where it mostly shouldnt even be happening

then you just end up raiding not even close to 6h

[balmy condor]

yeh prep is the biggest thing

if you gotta spend half your raid time for people that don't know what mechanics do

it's doomed

[coral ibex]

3h raid per day but 30 mins is yapping

[balmy condor]

mfers applying to my guild answering the "how do you prepare" question with "I really need to see the fight to learn it"

D E C L I N E

[coral ibex]

i learn by doing, put me in coach

[balmy condor]

everyone needs to play the fight bozo that's not an answer

[coral ibex]

mythic is just heroic+

[storm hedge]

My answer would be the pineapple game that helped so much for heroic.

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a good one

[storm hedge]

Also dungeon journal

[balmy condor]

that's probably less good

[drifting cloud]

I feel like normal helps alot, its so easy now in modern wow so atleast you experience the fight once

[balmy condor]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

if youre the doing hc 2h later

[balmy condor]

PTR testing is honestly the biggest thing

[storm hedge]

Yeah for Ansurek the journal sucks. But for the first mythic bosses it was good enough to know what the Mechanics do

The mythic mechanics

[drifting cloud]

loved ptr testing mythic court

[storm hedge]

And tbh watching RWF is also big help imo

[drifting cloud]

those 50s wipes I learned alot

[balmy condor]

individual raiders knowing mechanics from ptr/videos and a raid leader having a plan before going into the raid

biggest thing

[fluid dust]

any sims for tier buff?

[balmy condor]

no

blizzard didn't give us numbers or info

so we're kinda just guessing

[drifting cloud]

sikran was a menace on ptr but turbo free on live, maybe was just ping dif and ilvl

[fluid dust]

okay thanks

[balmy condor]

ping LMAO EU BOZO MALD AND SEETHE

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[balmy condor]

not my fault

[storm hedge]

I would also love to get into better guilds, the problem is that a lot of CE guilds require CE exp. It's almost like a job application. You need 4 years of experience for an entry level position

[balmy condor]

yeh

strat is to sneak into a struggle CE guild

[drifting cloud]

you do have to get lucky

[balmy condor]

and smash them

and then you can dip and go up

[drifting cloud]

its crazy my guild has multiple people that started playing in SL

[storm hedge]

Yes that's what I'm doing rn

I hope at least

[balmy condor]

we have a guy that started in aberrus I think

90 parsing mythic first tier was pretty gud

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[drifting cloud]

but yeah my situation is just insanely lucky in general, doubt alot of people can relate

[balmy condor]

I got poached by a boomkin

[drifting cloud]

im just getting old and slowly dusted to the bench

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

prob gonna be first tier where im sat on endboss

took 7 years but we got there

[storm hedge]

I started playing season 4 BFA and parsed 90s in Sanctum of Domination

[sinful mauve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[oak tangle]

CE is meh, aint worth the hastle politics and BS

[storm hedge]

Then left until S3 of DF and still parsed 90s in Amirdrassil

[balmy condor]

in mythic? that's really good I'm surprised you can't go higher

[storm hedge]

I didn't do mythic back then

[balmy condor]

oh

90 heroic doesn't get you far yeah

[rotund oak]

if i can do 95s anyone can

[oak tangle]

what would you take a wild guess at heroic parses to interest people

orange numbers or bust?

or pink ones

[rotund oak]

pointless nerdgasm

and ego clash

[drifting cloud]

depends where your goals are

for a good CE guilds they wont care about your hc logs

[balmy condor]

yeh, like if you're getting into a CE struggle guild you can impress with 95+

[storm hedge]

I had like some 99s some 95s on heroic

[balmy condor]

but if you're getting into a "good" CE guild they won't care for heroic

they want to see that in mythic

[rotund oak]

mythic 95 compared to heroic 95s are quite a jump

[storm hedge]

Yeah my Mythic logs suck cause I have about 1 or 2 kills on every boss...

[oak tangle]

true i guess there is an entire step of guilds between where i am and CE, being mid level mythic prog not just AOTC

[storm hedge]

Some 90s but average for Amirdrassil is 67

[balmy condor]

yeh that's not great if you're shooting for good ce guilds

[storm hedge]

This the first tier I'm in a mythic progression from start so hopefully I can rack up some kills and have good logs that way

I have 95 avg on heroic rn

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[storm hedge]

so it's not like I'm too bad

[oak tangle]

do you guys look at ilvl parses or overall?

[balmy condor]

No one looks at ilvl

[oak tangle]

cause overall feels disingenuous cause you can blast that with... ilvl

[storm hedge]

Overall I guess? It's the number on the char page

[balmy condor]

Ilvl parses are raw meme shit

[drifting cloud]

well youre not wrong, but thats t he same reason people dont care about hc logs at some point

I mean im 625 with 1 myth track item

[rotund oak]

u can get leggo parses with lower ilvl but getting the xternals

[drifting cloud]

so like I could go into hc and farm some logs, but no point really, and looks like its ilvl achieavble my most

[rotund oak]

dont look at ilvl

[oak tangle]

yeah im only 615, and i tihnk my best parse so far is a 94 for overall, if i had of gotten a myth track dagger already etc, who knows where that would be

[drifting cloud]

maybe you get there 1-2 resets later because I got some crest saved stuff, but also I didnt have anything to use my hc crests on this week already

[storm hedge]

Well you could've crafted a myth dagger like I did

And I guess a lot of people

[vast loom]

parses this early into the tier especially if you arnt gearing at a decent rate are also kinda troll atleast to a point

[balmy condor]

615 but pulled a myth track dagger and a 4 piece so you’re just 5-6% ahead of everyone else at your ilvl bracket

Is kinda why ilvl is irrelevant

Like there’s many ways to be undergeared

And the swing of that is crazy

[rotund oak]

wpns+trinkets is basicly what can carry parses

and externals

outside performance ofc

[oak tangle]

i mean i guess at some point, your ability to obtain ilvl is more important as well

on average if you are good at the game, you'll have a higher ilvl earlier

[vast loom]

ilvl is mostly dependant on your guild, if you are doing splits week1 vs not even aotc

gonna be a large gap in gear

[drifting cloud]

I mean to a degree sure, but dont see how being 620 rn is some insane challenge

[vast loom]

the longer the tier the less it matters

[balmy condor]

in dragonflight I did a heroic clear where I unequipped my belt

[drifting cloud]

maybe if you did 50 grim batols for nothing

thats alot of time down the drain

[balmy condor]

and I dropped like 25 ilvl and smashed

[humble ginkgo]

do we have % increase on the changes coming

[balmy condor]

was in a bracket with nothing but carries

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

pins :)

[oak tangle]

i mean i dont touch mythic, and i did swap to my rogue after gearing my monk to 610, so that's kinda why im only 615, which is i think a respectable level for casual to get to

[humble ginkgo]

r those numbers accurate

cus im reading "napkin math"

[balmy condor]

They’re the most accurate that we can do

[rotund oak]

no they are pinned there to mislead everyone

[drifting cloud]

skip why you acting silly

[humble ginkgo]

ok

[rotund oak]

[humble ginkgo]

was jw if there was a sim or something

chill

[balmy condor]

Blame blizzard for “chance increase” and “appropriate hero talents”

Whatever the fuck that means

[drifting cloud]

you know if there was whispyr would pin it :d

[humble ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/193278651020738561/1170472696866414602/bruh.gif

[oak tangle]

they said that to bait you, and are now deciding to make cahnges based on your video

[north kiln]

why is the link in whisper's pin not available?

[humble ginkgo]

i dont like reading

https://tenor.com/view/showmaker-dwk-damwon-damwon-kia-shoemaker-gif-23626114

[rotund oak]

typical outlaw gamer

[humble ginkgo]

assa kinda comfy and broken as fuck in keys

just first timed that shit

[serene solar]

lmfao I feel that, it was like the first sentence tho

[humble ginkgo]

did more damage than sweaty outlaw

maybe its time to retire the law

im getting too old

[serene solar]

law getting a buff tho

[humble ginkgo]

too much apm

for too little damage

[balmy condor]

Discord sucks ass

[rotund oak]

skip's like 25 or something

maybe less

[serene solar]

just pretend assa isn't and you will be fine

[humble ginkgo]

[humble ginkgo]

21

[rotund oak]

dont ever talk about age here young man

[balmy condor]

skips old enough to drink

[runic hinge]

Skip can drink

[balmy condor]

oh no

[runic hinge]

fuck

[north kiln]

understandable, have a great night

[humble ginkgo]

ive been able to drink since i was 18

🇨🇦

[drifting cloud]

lmao americans

[steel ridge]

Look, it just hatched

[north kiln]

i have been able to drink since i was 14

china #1

[idle crane]

whats the give necklace sockets item called this time around?

[balmy condor]

"skip can drink"
3 word horror story

[humble ginkgo]

I want to move to main land china

[serene solar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-weekly-reset-hero-talent-tree-tuning-and-preservation-347570

[humble ginkgo]

My next goal in life

[north kiln]

tyty

[rotund oak]

try norway brother,hot chicks,they pay ppl that work there,good connections

[humble ginkgo]

norway looks sick

[drifting cloud]

arent you brown skip, not sure china should be your first option

[humble ginkgo]

I will ascend the EU ladder

[humble ginkgo]

half

i look white tho cus i dont go out

[drifting cloud]

ok then youre good

for China I mean

[humble ginkgo]

🛏️

[rotund oak]

bro is gonna look like a carrot under the hot sun

[drifting cloud]

[dark oxide]

i wish i was good at assassination

[rotund oak]

u can be friend

just work hard for it

achieve ur goal

🔥

[oak tangle]

what do you struggle with

[storm hedge]

I'm starting to get the transmitter inconvenience. Can't really macro it to DM cause the effect is delayed. Would really appreciate having Skardyn's but also don't want to farm it

[rotund oak]

i wont sleep after reset until skadryns is mine

this week is atrocious to pug keys

[blazing jewel]

@drifting cloud lemme trial so I can play hunter

[drifting cloud]

you have a feral spot in colour

[blazing jewel]

@earnest remnant

[unique heart]

could anyone take a look at my logs and lmk what im doing wrong

[rotund oak]

u can make a thread with a !log command friend

[drifting cloud]

if youre ever serious tho .. but you said schedule sucks right? doesnt really fly in this guild

[unique heart]

oh ok thanks

[rotund oak]

ppl will help

[unique heart]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[idle crane]

Do sims not handle the different gem color thing very well? Its telling me to use two deadly onyxs with my blasphemite

[blazing jewel]

[drifting cloud]

I can vouch bro my vouch is like super vip think ive done like 2 lifetime

[dark oxide]

im just forgetting abilities sometimes, and I just do so much lower dps than anyone else it makes me feels like garbage.

[blazing jewel]

Super vip vouch

[drifting cloud]

but kinda too late for this tier

[blazing jewel]

Ya

[humble ginkgo]

gotta add the link to the log epic

[blazing jewel]

Also don’t have any eu characters setup yet

[drifting cloud]

just apply as a lvl 20 hunter

[unique heart]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bleeding-hollow/mancimoney?zone=38#

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[oak tangle]

get a nice dagger, some good trinkets, and set up some pandemic weak auras, and then jsut practice, you got this

[unique heart]

like that

@humble ginkgo

[distant plinth]

Its gonna be in ur vault 100%

[silk bane]

@blazing jewel

[humble ginkgo]

idk then

[dark oxide]

https://wowanalyzer.com/character/US/Tichondrius/hyndrian/

[blazing jewel]

@silk bane

[rotund oak]

the command has changed most likely @balmy condor can u thread that mans logs plz 🙂 !logs command sends him to wowanalyzer

[silk bane]

i miss @blazing jewel

[blazing jewel]

[silk bane]

[rotund oak]

EU Scana

[blazing jewel]

[rotund oak]

u gonna get pounded by the racoon so hard in the meters

racoon too stronk

[blazing jewel]

Very powerful

[oak tangle]

step 1, swap to single target build for raid, i dont wanna be seeing crimson tempest on sikran

[dark oxide]

tbh i did it for brood for parasites

and i forgot to switch i think

[oak tangle]

all you should do for that, is to slot in spatter in the ST build

[dark oxide]

its also the build im more comfortable with aka my mythic build

[blazing jewel]

@drifting cloud kill the boss

[drifting cloud]

I gained like 20 fps from afenar malware

im unstoppable now

[oak tangle]

i can get behind that, but you lose all your single target to do that, you won't be competing when using a m+ build in raid

for the most part the rotation doesn't change, though i sometimes get caught up between the shiv charges

[dark oxide]

i also have the trouble of once i do my beginning rotation i just forget what to do once i start running low on energy/out of thistle tea

[oak tangle]

grab a weakaura that tracks the envenom buff, and just sit there doing nothing until it's at about 1-2 seconds

game outside kb windows is spinning plates

[blazing jewel]

@silk bane did you press N yet

Or is that on the Tuesday reset

[dark oxide]

im using luxthos rogue weakaura

i honestly didnt know envenom had a buff

[rotund oak]

its pivotal to maintain that

big dam

[idle crane]

I have a hud like thing around my character that fades down for envenom uptime and honestly its helped so much

[silk bane]

Ive been cooking

tuesday i shall blast

lowkey im bored of playing sin in keys i miss sub

[rotund oak]

sub is gonna wake up dw

[silk bane]

i mean i did a lil napkin mathin but pretty sure its a gain to bp over evi as trickster on 4+ targets if you have minimum 4FW up

I even made a FW counter for myself to get ready for tuesday

[rotund oak]

was asking yday and everyone refused to gimme numbers

i like whispyr more coz he explains at least

im madge from yday

[oak tangle]

sub had it's time in the sun in DF

[idle crane]

This style of aura has helped me so much on so many characters with getting uptimes correct

[rotund oak]

sub is a nice spec

[oak tangle]

let me hype up sin keys for a bit

[rotund oak]

and its gonna get better,just have patience

[silk bane]

just do a lil mathy math yourself idk

[blazing jewel]

FW tracker holy

[quasi hill]

Hey guys, how do you handle tanks that don't let you restealth between pulls in m+? It hurts the DPS 🥴

[silk bane]

lets say evis does 2400 damage and bp does 1000

[jolly heath]

Is it worth to use tight spender on brood, from my logs, I mostly use about 15-20 ambushes in 1 pull

[oak tangle]

i dot the mobs / use vanish

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[rotund oak]

im trying man but im not into the tc tech n stuff,u boys do more testing and u are numerically more than 1 person so ild trust any information and test that if possible

[silk bane]

on 8 targets before, you would do (if u had 8 FW up) -> 2400 + 2400 * 0.4 * 7 = 9120

[rotund oak]

u are valued highly for a reason

[quasi hill]

Wow nice, thanks - I love this community

[silk bane]

now on 8 targets with bp you would do 8 * 1350 = 10800

[earnest remnant]

[oak tangle]

the only bad part I find about chain pulling, is the lack of iron wire as a cc option, but i am a nelf so on trash i can meld into stealth to get that out

[silk bane]

so you gained like 18.5% damage on 8 targets

[rotund oak]

ill take that

ty

[drowsy creek]

I know this should have been answered but, in AOE when you are out of vanish and your IC area garrotes and Ruptures felt off, should I spread Ruptures and garrotes or focus on Caustic Spatter?

[silk bane]

and it scales above 8 now, when before u were hard capped.

but also it means you need to trakc how many FW you have out there

[oak tangle]

i think the aim is 5 bleeds, and spatter kb, othersie maintan bleeds

[rotund oak]

and there are other factors like when u press BP now instead of evisc with the buff

so freaking interesting spec to play

[earnest remnant]

playing sub on Kyveza makes me wanna commit unspeakable acts

[vale maple]

If the pack still has a lot of health to go, definitely tab up a few ruptures before resetting caustic spatter. if the pack is all like under 30% or something I'd just rupture the primary target and get spatter back to close it out

[silk bane]

my friends wiped at 0.0%. their sub rogue got lines twice during his cds

this fight is illegal ngl

[drowsy creek]

Should I spread more than 5 ruptures if its a bigger aoe?

[silk bane]

no

rupture -> saturate energy + scent of blood stacks

[blazing jewel]

Who could this be

[silk bane]

refined

hes playing sin now i think

bro gave up

[silk bane]

wait no shot this happened to winning too

did it?

is he doing okay?

[blazing jewel]

Idk if his cds borked

But consequence wiped at 1mil

[silk bane]

thats sooooo painful

woulda died if they had their old rogue player

just sayin

[vale maple]

sin roog to the top of the meters tuesday, believe boys

[silk bane]

so..... marsh was right

all your fault

[blazing jewel]

I’m washed lil bro

[drifting cloud]

armin where do you raid

[earnest remnant]

true and real

[silk bane]

u gotta unwash it up then

[drifting cloud]

I somehow dont know

[silk bane]

color trial coming up

[oak tangle]

why we waiting till next week? XD

[silk bane]

i dont raid high end unfortunately. like world 300ish :c

[drifting cloud]

ok thats fine, give me guild name or is it secret

[blazing jewel]

Big secret

One could say a secret technique

[distant helm]

I gave sub a go for 2 hours on it but im back to assa, fuck that

[drifting cloud]

stop talking in puzzles military man

[vale maple]

i resolved never to play sub rogue again after I was forced on spine of deathwing

[earnest remnant]

yeh im going assa tuesday cba, having to rng not getting charges

[drifting cloud]

wr300 is like half a good tier away from hof

[tawdry sedge]

even if i wanted to raid mythic once again i am too poor for it 😦

[blazing jewel]

Boss also dies at really good deathmark timing

Press n it’s time

[distant helm]

Thought you guys would kill yesterday, what % did you end up on, we got it to 25

[earnest remnant]

14

[silk bane]

I raid in edict, eh idk dont think we can get hof we have like 2 teams ones around 600ish the other one ike 300-350 i think

[drifting cloud]

im scared stealthi didnt kill

[earnest remnant]

we (myself included) played like ass

sp

so*

[silk bane]

are you raiding monday?

[drifting cloud]

yeah but u still god ovinax prenerf

[earnest remnant]

no

tuesday is next raid

[silk bane]

oh u got it then

[drifting cloud]

I think alot of my guild already thinks kyveza is dead because we had 1 good pull

[silk bane]

already dead on ym screen

[drifting cloud]

ask me again in 16h

[silk bane]

u got this tbh! it really is 1 good rng pull away

[distant helm]

I had a good night then died twice on last pull

[drifting cloud]

I did see that french guild whose name I always forget

literally go from 40% to kill as their best

[distant helm]

It is technically just the same shit over and over

[drifting cloud]

were playing double assa, you sure about that

[distant helm]

I saw a lot of guilds kill it from 30% as their best pull

[drifting cloud]

oh and 0 pres evokers

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

its the type of boss where if you all just live

it flops

[silk bane]

pres abusers have 2 more days before it gets taken out back

[safe matrix]

That just means you will easily weather pres getting shot

[blazing jewel]

Rylers guild out here doing side quests on prog bosses

[drifting cloud]

fotm rerolls strictly banned or limited to 3 people a tier

[silk bane]

thats insanely based hoooly

[drifting cloud]

(not an actual rule but thats how it always plays out here)

[earnest remnant]

pretty much the same here

[silk bane]

isnt color just a bunch of insane one tricks?

[drifting cloud]

look at these fotm ovinax specs

same setup as prenerf btw

[earnest remnant]

we like to call it "spec specialists"

[novel star]

Aintnoway man im hardstuck on these ansurek pugs

[drifting cloud]

if your motw isnt from a resto druid youre not even trying, right @earnest remnant

[earnest remnant]

yep

[drifting cloud]

dont our and your rdruid have like r1,2 alot of the time

I guess some of it is because of speed kill stuff

[earnest remnant]

no idea

[subtle tundra]

What's the problem with double assa?

We did that

[drifting cloud]

yeah but one of your rogues is named Varas, we got Ryler over here

big diff

[subtle tundra]

im washed dont worry

[drifting cloud]

were you guys 3 days last tier or am I remembering wrong

[subtle tundra]

old varas would smoke me

nah we've been 4 for some time

we used to be 3+1 for hc

now its just 4

[drifting cloud]

abberus aswell? or did you just smurf that much in amirdrassil

[subtle tundra]

i think so? but amirdrassil was weird cause hard tier -> better ranks for lower play time guilds

[drifting cloud]

I remember we looked at your prog logs when we got to fyrakk you just deleted that boss

yeah ur def right, and this one is looking similar

[subtle tundra]

meaning we can beat the spam pull guilds

[drifting cloud]

it helps us aswell

[subtle tundra]

hope we can do that on ansurek aswell

[drifting cloud]

we thought we would lose wr because of turbo splits + 1st tier usually easier

but shouldnt be too bad

[subtle tundra]

if you didnt do turbo splits you hard griefed

[earnest remnant]

[subtle tundra]

we did 3 though

[drifting cloud]

were 2day sir 1 split is literally max

[subtle tundra]

also we are degenerates and boe farm'd

im wearing 2 boes

[drifting cloud]

we did like 4h of boe farming total

0 leather drops lule

[hoary remnant]

Splits did shit this tier if you didn't gear 3dks 3 warrior and 3 mages

[subtle tundra]

we didnt initially but we managed to gear a dk and a warrior in a reset for brood

cause we did splits

[hoary remnant]

The difference between doing splits and none split guilds is not there. It's all about roster

[hoary remnant]

We did it without

[subtle tundra]

we were at some point one of the most geared guilds

[hoary remnant]

Idk what wr your raiding but anybody raiding more then 3-4 weeks until ensboss is dead is kinda trolling. You gear so fast

[hoary remnant]

Ok so you got ensboss down?

[drifting cloud]

lol.

[hoary remnant]

If not it's a skill issue

[drifting cloud]

stop embarassing urself

[subtle tundra]

buddy you clearly dont know how this works

[ripe carbon]

wats 'wr' mean?

[subtle tundra]

world rank

[ripe carbon]

ah ok

[subtle tundra]

we killed kyveza around wr30 and thats cause we griefed and didnt use vantus runes on wednesday

[coral ibex]

an hour of getting declined from gb keys just to get into a +6 with trogs that run into fixates

[drifting cloud]

ok thats funny

[oak eagle]

why are you doing a +6?

[coral ibex]

low ilvl/rio

i just dont get accepted higher

[hoary remnant]

Cool still if you do splits it's really bad if you don't have the endboss down after 1 month. At some point splits give you like 0.1 itemlevel

[subtle tundra]

not gonna go into this

[drifting cloud]

splits help you to not wipe 20 times on rashanan I guess

maybe you can relate to that

[hoary remnant]

Like rwf yes top 10 yes but also skill is way bigger factor. For example best 3 day guild project does 1 split 1 4 day and that's it.

[subtle tundra]

thats great for them

[hoary remnant]

If you do splits and don't get paid and don't clear the raid in 30 days you have high deminishing returns. Having the right comp strat and execution way more important

[subtle tundra]

when did the raid start?

[blazing jewel]

This is good content

[hoary remnant]

11 hc 18 my