assassination

[timid vale]

tbh its just greed driven, i doubt blizzard cares

[glad osprey]

they don’t

anything that promotes people funnelling more gold to them via purchasing it from the store is great for them

[runic hinge]

Idk why anyone would ever wanna buy gold from a sketchy website when the token exists

[timid vale]

cause they undercut blizzard

[cunning needle]

better value for $

not that i've ever done it

[elfin chasm]

how do i get the glyphs for vendetta and toxic blades

[runic hinge]

Yeah I don’t wanna risk my account or credit card for a couple more wow gold lol

[cunning needle]

but usually any gold selling site is 20% cheaper

[balmy condor]

Huh? I don’t think theres glyphs for that

[glad osprey]

yea I think the wow token cut down on it a lot but it’s still very profitable for people who do it

[runic hinge]

Maybe he’s playing sod

[glad osprey]

idk even the wow token is stupid asf

[timid vale]

those guys arent even making that much, its the guys on youtube who have 1mil views telling you "gold secrets" that are making more

that adsense money

[runic hinge]

No because it was way worse when there was dead bots in every major city spelling out website names

[glad osprey]

honestly idk? wow videos definitely don’t surpass a million views nowadays

[runic hinge]

The wow token is not stupid

[glad osprey]

or at least not that I’ve seen

[cunning needle]

yeah wow token is great

i havent paid for wow in like 3 years

[elfin chasm]

i was talking about this, sry is it just a weakaura thing

[timid vale]

1mil might be a reach indeed

[glad osprey]

it’s great if you’re the one buying it, but it’s kinda sketchy that blizzard advocates for the selling of gold for irl money

as long as it’s their own pockets

[cunning needle]

it provides a legal way

to buy and sell gold

overall it is better

than the alternative

[runic hinge]

Definitely better than what we had before

[balmy condor]

Yeah lmao he’s just putting a different icon on the weakaura

[timid vale]

im sure there was some group that was using gold to launder money and this gave them some way to kyc it

[cunning needle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[glad osprey]

in a perfect world everyone would just farm their own gold and rl money wouldn’t be involved 🫠

[timid vale]

similar to d3 market

[cunning needle]

yeah but how do you "farm" gold

now

[glad osprey]

you can’t really now because it’s so inflated

[waxen oyster]

I mean shmeeps replaced all the rogue icons

with peepos

[glad osprey]

hence broken economy LOL

[waxen oyster]

in his edit

[glad osprey]

like you “can”, it’s just not really worth it on an hourly basis

unless if obviously you resell stuff on AH or the more passive ways

[runic hinge]

Probably why blizzard deleted all those gbanks to deflate the economy

[glad osprey]

I wish it was easier to just be able to afford enchants and flasks etc but everything is so insanely overpriced

because yeah the economy is super inflated

[timid vale]

theres alot of stupid ways to make money rn tho

[glad osprey]

You can definitely make money if you put your mind to it , but the amount of money you get per hour

vs. Just working and getting a wow token

[timid vale]

i dunno depends on whats being farmed

[glad osprey]

a method like professions

boe for example requires luck

[runic hinge]

Yeah I mean flying around and herbing isn’t better than a wow token but there’s still ways to make gold

[timid vale]

i mean you can make more flying around for an hour than what a token is worth rn

[runic hinge]

Oh okay

[timid vale]

depends if your time is worth $20/hr

[steel ridge]

Its not just that, its a form of gameplay 😅

[glad osprey]

you’re telling me you can make 250k an hour or whatever they’re worth rn?

I want to know what the heck you’re doing because

[steel ridge]

but few wow players are making $20 after taxes

[timid vale]

195k

[blazing jewel]

Just sell mythic raid every tier

[glad osprey]

I have never made this in an hour LOL

LOL

[balmy condor]

Based

I gotta do sales this tier

I dropped under 5 mil

[glad osprey]

probably the only legitimate way of making gold rn but as a uni student w little time on my hands I don’t think I’d ever mythic raid

[runic hinge]

Quit school and sell mythic raid

Sell wow gold to live

[glad osprey]

if I lived in India yes

LOL

[runic hinge]

Could always move

[glad osprey]

unfortunately Canada costs an arm and a leg to live in

[blazing jewel]

Getting paid to do reclear

[timid vale]

you know a former white house strategist used to sell wow gold?

[runic hinge]

No

I didn’t know

[balmy condor]

The rabbit hole deepens

[timid vale]

its public knowledge

[blazing jewel]

[hot fulcrum]

come to Ukraine. It's cheap to leave here. but there is 1 small pitfall

[runic hinge]

[glad osprey]

LOL

[waxen oyster]

”small pitfall”

[balmy condor]

:mochieerm:

[runic hinge]

Small

[blazing jewel]

[glad osprey]

funny thing is I’m actually Ukrainian

[balmy condor]

Where’s my invite Kyle

[waxen oyster]

Reminds me of the pilav video

[glad osprey]

but I have been in Canada my entire life

[hot fulcrum]

that was my 1st idea) That is why I replied to you)

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce

[blazing jewel]

Already on it

[waxen oyster]

Where he just randomly drops one of those jokes

[glad osprey]

hence I will avoid the war zone

for a while longer

[balmy condor]

I’ve been to Canada once

Toronto is basically a war zone

[waxen oyster]

quebec is

quebec

[glad osprey]

I hate Toronto lmao

[waxen oyster]

do not go

[runic hinge]

I have been to Canada many times. It is very close

[glad osprey]

I live an hour away from it but I avoid it like the plague

[balmy condor]

Yeah it was either that or Quebec

[waxen oyster]

I need another pilav banger

[glad osprey]

what LOL

Quebec is a province

[balmy condor]

And I can’t imagine Quebec is better

[waxen oyster]

on tier with “i dont want to stop damage”

[balmy condor]

Correct

Quebec is a province

[glad osprey]

Quebec is actually very different than Ontario

in the sense where everyone speaks French

[balmy condor]

Yeah, so worse

[waxen oyster]

My visible confusion at how the French managed to call

a fries stuffed burrito

a taco

[glad osprey]

and politically speaking it’s weird since many people who live there still want Quebec to separate from Canada

And be it’s own thing

and been an idea for like decades

[runic hinge]

Québecois

[glad osprey]

so Quebec is actually very very different than Ontario LOL

[glad osprey]

Yea

idk I just live in Ontario, but it’s pretty boring here

[coral ibex]

tough start to today, already was reminded of quebec

[runic hinge]

Rip

[coral ibex]

only up from here

[glad osprey]

and living here requires you to sell a kidney and possibly part of your liver

[hot fulcrum]

you don't know what is "boring" if you never saw Ternopil

[spice spire]

Ur so real for this

[glad osprey]

I live in a pretty quiet rural part of Ontario, but even regardless of that, there’s nothing really to see unless if you go up north

you have polluted lakes

a really shitty city that causes insane traffic within a 30 min radius around it (Toronto)

[runic hinge]

Toronto is filled with bad people

(Leaf fans)

[glad osprey]

I don’t even like or watch sports LMAO

[runic hinge]

That’s good for your mental health

[glad osprey]

as a university student my mental health is horrid and I am very open about it that hahaha

[runic hinge]

Imagine letting a children’s game played by millionaires determine your mood for the day

[coral ibex]

you can always tell when someone is from quebec, they love to stick Qc in their name

[glad osprey]

I don’t need sports, I just need to screw up one test and there goes my mental health for the entire semester

[hot fulcrum]

I’m going to cook some fried potato so here is my cat and have a good day for all

[delicate trench]

anyone have a good suggestion for an elvui profile i can steal ?

[alpine oracle]

Is there a addon bag for the warband?

[spice spire]

I love ur cat ty

[rocky valley]

https://wago.io/B1v5137N7

[balmy condor]

Me when she, when I’m with my and she and I when the girlfriend and her

[spice spire]

Are we at unhinged whispyr hours

[balmy condor]

My vodka redbull is half empty and I didn’t even work today

[spice spire]

Oh

You drank

[cunning cloak]

time for a refil

[balmy condor]

No, I drunk

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I cry, he crew, we crode

[spice spire]

I’m gonna change my name to Diet Pepsi rq

[balmy condor]

Tall, dark, sparkling, and in my mouth

[young dust]

[spice spire]

Hey king

[runic hinge]

[blazing jewel]

[runic hinge]

I’m going to bed. Play nice everyone

[shadow patio]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/omdar was able to figure this class out the last couple weeks

Thanks everyone & @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[loud light]

how did you convince your raid to give you PI on all these bosses

[silver sail]

I’m neew to sin rogue m+ and learning. Can anyone please explain to me what the beginning of the below opener graph mean - “with darkest night proc” next to the first garrot and “skip with darkest night proc” under the ambush button.

[shadow patio]

Payed my priest

[loud light]

checks out

[shadow patio]

Also raid lead 😂

[balmy condor]

Darkest night is the capstone talent on deathstalker

[jade abyss]

how much is the difference betwenn deathstalker and fatewbound in m+ ?

[balmy condor]

Depends what you’re using as your measuring stick

Anywhere from fatebound being 1% better to 7% worse I guess

Realistically it’s probably closer to the 7% worse

[jade abyss]

thank you

[ashen rover]

With deathstalker hero talent, you open with garrote when you have the darkest night buff, otherwise you open with ambush to apply deathstalker mark (if it's the first pull of the key or you lost the mark or abt to lose it)

[fleet pagoda]

it took me like 50 tries to get zekvir. I had him at 10% on an early attempt, I vanished to drop spittle, and he immediately reset only time he ever reset on vanish for me, even when I was noodlin' around in stealth for a few seconds he was dtf

[low kernel]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[short flint]

does the new echoing blades mean u can do a 9-10pt envenom?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[latent pike]

So, is Bubbling wax second to whetstones?

or is Mana oil better than bubbling wax? I'm a little confused after the changes

[balmy condor]

Mana oil and wax are similar but wax is a buggy mess

[warm thorn]

got a real quick question with just a yes or no answer: does the queen's ring scale with assa set and stuff?

[balmy condor]

No

[grim vigil]

!tuning

[balmy condor]

And they never do

Items are their own things

And never interact with specs

(Sometimes they do cause they’re coded bad but they’re never designed that way)

[warm thorn]

okay

[mossy nest]

@balmy condor thanks so much for all your content and all your contributions here. You made me realize sin rogue is the best spec. No matter the tuning I don’t want to play anything else now.

[leaden cypress]

if we have to drop one piece of tier which slot got worst stats?

[sharp viper]

the one with the lowest ilvl

[crisp stream]

I think chest has odd stats

[leaden cypress]

thanks for response but i dont think thats answer for my question

[leaden cypress]

ty

[summer viper]

does anyone has a good WA to track the mark?

[kindred breach]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[kindred breach]

All this packs have a mark tracker

I used LE's which I find nice

[summer viper]

guess i kind to need to yoink me the mark tracker only 😄

[kindred breach]

i move the mark tracker to see it better

like just under my char

[sharp viper]

i use this for darkest night and mark

https://wago.io/oEgXLFhtk/2

[summer viper]

ty

are the packs tracking the clear the witness buffs aswell?

[sharp viper]

the ones linked by the bot do

[summer viper]

ty

[junior yoke]

quesion, the caustic nerf / tier buff is already on live or is it next reset?

[blazing pumice]

after reset

[junior yoke]

okay tyvm

[flint hound]

does anything in particular boost deathmark damage (other than shiv)? comparing my own logs to others seems like my deathmarks are very low in damage

[balmy condor]

having improved garrote talented vs not talented

[flint hound]

that would explain it

[true estuary]

About the ring - the ring does nature damage, right? Does shiv inrease the ring's damage?

[balmy condor]

no

[true estuary]

yeye, i read it all, im just confused because in sub, the talent lingering darknes boosts the trinket's shadow damage

in sub*

[balmy condor]

that's one of the badly coded ones

[true estuary]

thats some inonsisteny right there :/ oh well

thanks

[balmy condor]

the rule is talents/specs never buff items

and then there's exceptions where blizzard was sloppy

like lingering

[sharp viper]

does lingering assa boost the ring damage then? 🤔

[balmy condor]

no

it's just shadow damage

and we don't have the shadow damage lingering

[true estuary]

it was interesting question tho 😄

[sharp viper]

very consistent

[balmy condor]

yeh

jank

[sharp viper]

I assume the shadow dmg lingering might get fixed at some point in the far future

[true estuary]

amen to that, this may even shift up abit sub's trinket game

[silver sail]

Thanks for that. What is the main rationale for that? Garrot from stealth does more dmg and with darkest night buff, the mark will be proced with full combo point rupture?

[balmy condor]

Darkest night only works with max combo point envenoms

But the reason is just ambush is a dead gcd during carnage

[silver sail]

Oh yeah

[balmy condor]

Like if you only have 3 targets, sure

Ambush gar rupture works fine

In big aoe though you want to cleave those garrotes out

Assa is a very conceptual spec more so than an actual rigid sequence

[silver sail]

Got you and the darkest night buff ensure we will get mark soon so don’t need to force it out at opens with ambush which is a worse button to press

[balmy condor]

So it’s hard to have a timeline

[silver sail]

Yeah understood. That will comeswith experience

[balmy condor]

Yeah, you want to get the mark up

How you do it depends

As long as you get it up, it shouldn’t particularly matter

[silver sail]

Yeah it is a dynamic spec, so I was trying to understand the rationale rather than just memorize the sequence from the guide. Thanks for the additional explanation

[meager granite]

Whispyr, the people wants the yapping in the videos tyvm! Never again shall you delete it

[spring stream]

quick question - whens the best moment to press shiv?

[loud trench]

Be super careful of this, this WA bugs quite a bit and takes 1-2 seconds sometimes to catch up in big aoe phases or fights like Queen or M Ulgrax where the transition phase for some reason bugs it. I spent a week of mythic progression with this WA thinking I had a mark up or had to refresh and it was a full cycle behind

[idle siren]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[frigid wing]

opinions on this opener?

[normal mist]

Did you get it from wowhead our icyveins?

Because that looks like utterly shit

So read the guides man

[sharp viper]

ambush to reapply dots LUL

[normal mist]

Kb -> shiv

DM BEFORE DOTS

[bitter badger]

who let this man cook

[normal mist]

You mean burn

[spring stream]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-jeffy-burning-food-cooking-fire-gif-24507671

[grim jay]

What did I just witness

[balmy condor]

All caps notepad is kinda sick though

[rotund oak]

this looks more like tryharding to troll the opener than an actual opener

[sharp viper]

is that musclebrah?

[iron carbon]

Quick question, someone knows how damage reduction works when you combine feint + evasion on an AoE magic damages? It's -60%? Or reduction are multiplied?

[rotund oak]

additive iirc

[trail locust]

Yeah you cant get 100% with drs

So has to be

[gloomy sail]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[iron carbon]

That's what I thought

Thanks

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[calm grail]

If you don't have darkest night or any marks out, you would still open up with ambush even if it's a dead gcd during big AOE? I'm talking like the start of a key.

[winged gust]

are heroic dungeons dps a good representation of ur skill cuz i swear shit dies so fast my dot doesnt get to do stuff

[rotund oak]

no they are not

u cant get value out of bleeds/dots if stuff dies instantly

also dps=/= skill

u can do dmg and still be sht

[grim jay]

Yes

[winged gust]

so probably gotta run mythics to see the dot work?

[frigid wing]

got it thanks, trying to learn assa from a friend but was cross referencing from a yt video and a lot of stuff looked different

[rotund oak]

yeah and depended ur gear u should try the higher end of keys to see how good dots/bleeds perform since ur targets outlast them/get the full value out of them

[tacit otter]

brother even in a +10 stuff sometimes dies too fast, the higher the better imo^^

[winged gust]

im at like ilevel 569

doing about 500k dps per run

[balmy condor]

Yes 100%

[grim jay]

Its overall pretty good for dealing damage already tho, no excuse to deal bad dmg there

[rotund oak]

on the upper right side of ur discord panel u can see some purple names,''Whispyr'' is the sin bigboi doing all the guides n stuff,has a youtube channel as well with alot of information to get u started,very solid.(And yes im a very old rogue to know he is doing very good job in communicating rogue information and teaching stuff)

[grim jay]

You are indeed very old

[rotund oak]

[winged gust]

shifu level old?

[grim jay]

He literally learned flying on swords in ancient china

[rotund oak]

there is no metric or gear relevance in such ilvls,ild focus mostly on farming higher ilvl gear and get my rotations str8 but good job

[winged gust]

alritee tysm ill focus on that rotation

[rotund oak]

u r welcome friend

[tacit otter]

all i meant was that even in +10, these metrics like mobs dying to fast is still a accurance. so its not really smth to think about too much

[grim jay]

With average people they dont really tho

10s/11s are a pretty fair ground currently imo

For most people.

[wild hound]

Does anyone know if cloak works on Sikrans big aoe ability?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it does

[rotund oak]

u could test as well

for science

🤓

[wild hound]

Awesome, so same as second boss

Haha will do! I'll let you know later tonight how it went 😛

[cobalt sphinx]

not sure if mythic is different

[winged gust]

does this mean rogue is kinda bad

u cant do shit cuz everything dies too fast

[cobalt sphinx]

rogue doesn't require that much setup

[west peak]

no, even if you dont get your full kingsbane ramp you still do good dam

[tacit otter]

thats not what i meant haha, im saying that it can rarely happen when people use cd's on your DM target for example. I was just trying to make the point that 'stuff dies to fast' is not an excuse for bad dmg or is anything to think about too much because it holds no valuable information

[cunning needle]

also if you are in heroic, you should be taking sudden demise

even low keys in general

[frigid wing]

how come echoing reprimand feels like it lasts longer than other times or is that not a thing?

[woven shore]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[cunning needle]

wait is wound poison still a thing for last boss NW?

[winged gust]

oh oops sorry im kinda new to rogue😅

[tacit otter]

all good, but assa is really nice in keys. even in lower keys because of sudden demise:)

[winged gust]

oh damn sudden demise is gaming

[frigid wing]

whats this under kingsbane?

[west peak]

troll racial

[frigid wing]

thank you

[woven shore]

what is DTB

[woven shore]

tx

so if i only have one poison

should i go instant or deadly

[cunning needle]

deadly

[woven shore]

for m+ ?

alr

[subtle tundra]

for everything

instant is the shit version of deadly

[woven shore]

roger

how do i spec into m+ talents with double vanish

what do i take out

[west peak]

why do you want double vanish

[cunning needle]

you dont spec double vanish

[woven shore]

the idea of having more control over groups sounds good

[cunning needle]

its fine

[static geyser]

does crafting and recrafting weapon for free upgrades still work?

[cunning needle]

tanks need to learn to tank

your job is to deal damage

[woven shore]

that wasnt the question

[west peak]

you would have to give up a shit ton to get another vanish, its never worth

[cunning needle]

no one is giving the answer

no one will give the answer

we all band together

[woven shore]

lmfao

[cunning needle]

whenever soemone talks about double vanish

[woven shore]

hahahahaha

[cunning needle]

[onyx linden]

I've had it work and also had it not work I dunno

[woven shore]

i know that this zero guy pinned that

[static geyser]

nope

[woven shore]

but the idea of having 12sec silence i want to try it

[winged quail]

asking for bad advice is a wild bit respect the hustle

[bitter jetty]

Cos never worked on sikran for me

[woven shore]

aaahh

okay i got my asnwer

tx

[winged quail]

u have to cloak as soon as the cast starts or it wont work

[bitter jetty]

🤔

[winged quail]

learned that the hard way by flying for a bit

[west peak]

by "cast starts" you mean cast ends i think

cloak gives a "higher tier" of immunity the first second i believe so once the cast bar hits below 1s you can press

[onyx linden]

Yeah I dunno I had it work in like 50% of my attempts earlier today

[winged quail]

it's weird tho cuz the knockback and damage are separate

[onyx linden]

Not sure what the factor was, but maybe thats it? using it near end I dunno

[west peak]

that is what ppl said here week 1 and i have consistently gotten it to work so

[winged quail]

u can cloak the knock and still eat the damage

[onyx linden]

I've had it work where I got no dmg no knockback

other times cheat procs and I go flying

[winged quail]

gonna aim for cast end next reset and see how it goes

[west peak]

i'm trying to figure out what I should run for mythic broodtwister, seems like all the top logs go for thrown precision (which makes sense). the main variance seems to be choosing either CT + improved poisons or imp gar + sanguine blades, whats the main tradeoff between these 2? assuming CT is a bit more aoe focused?

[cunning needle]

do you need ST or aoe

pick

[normal mist]

its always 45sec

[tacit otter]

CT on brood is actually more st (on mythic)

Just pick CT and the rest is whatever

[normal mist]

that zero guy is actually the top m+ pushers for assa

[frigid wing]

THE CD IS 45 SECONDS BUT HOW LONG SHOULD IT BE ACTIVE FOR?

[normal mist]

45

[frigid wing]

sorry caps

[woven shore]

jesus

he has a sick name

[normal mist]

He enjoys testing his stuff, even if he knows its probably worse

[sullen kelp]

sorry dumb question but is deathmark off the gcd

[normal mist]

no

[woven shore]

i could imagine in gb for big pulls which he is prolly doing with his grp it wouldnt be too bad to have this silence spamm

[normal mist]

thats why he plays unconvetional talent builds overall, bcs he plays with a team

[woven shore]

yea

true

[normal mist]

with experience

for us, the average joes

[woven shore]

xD

[full palm]

The fieldies buff

[normal mist]

those builds wont work

[woven shore]

HAHAHAHAHA

[woven shore]

@balmy condor yea what about fieldies

thats what i love trolls for

[worldly bridge]

Are we always going sanguine blades now ? Or is it only for movement bosses ?

Also should i Sim patchwerk and get done with it or is there a point in choosing light movement ? (Specifically for Sikran)

[normal mist]

i can't remember ever going S.blades in raid

[worldly bridge]

well warcraftlogs shows toplog going for it in mythic

[normal mist]

Are you doing mythic

[novel star]

sanguine vs venoms is pretty much preference

sim the difference for ur character or just play preference

they are borderline tied

[glass mango]

Which would be the best all rounder for M+ and raid? assa?

[worldly bridge]

i wouldnt be asking if i didnt lol

[novel star]

in overall dps

[worldly bridge]

That's a bit linked to my 2nd question

I was thinking yeah on patcherwrk its pretty much the same, but for light movement SB makes more sense since u wont be mutilating and dots will keep ticking + its easier to pool when u're not hitting the boss

[woven shore]

i didnt use two non lethal poisons but one all the time since i play with the talent for 2 poisons

lmfao

[novel star]

it’s actually worse probably

you don’t want sanguine value

you intentionally avoid the talent

in rotation

cus it loses you dsm pops

[normal mist]

also, you're asking a question that most of us will never be able to answer

[novel star]

but yeah if you’re that interested you can just sim it

[normal mist]

and the amount of people that are raiding heroic looking at mythic raid talents is way too big

[novel star]

sim both builds with top gear on patchwerk and movement and then look at the diffy

or just

go with preference

cus it barely matters

and again, sanguine blades “value” is actually bad assuming you’re playing deathstalker

[worldly bridge]

So the whole theory about SB getting more value when u suck at keeping godly uptimes on the boss is wrong for u ?

Yeah im playing deathstalker. Hate it but thats how it is

[novel star]

you fundamentally misunderstand deathstalker

we have commands for it tho

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

straight up you do not want to be above 150

sanguine blades working is bad if it means you get less dsm cycles

unless your boss downtime leads to overcapping energy

you would rather not have sb do anything

[worldly bridge]

oh i got it. Thought u could still maintain envenom uptime while proccing a bunch of SB

[novel star]

so you can keep spinning the mark

[novel star]

you can, that’s not what the command is talking about

it’s for the mark

[normal mist]

the problem is SB eating away energy

[novel star]

less energy = less finishers = less marks

which ends up being a loss

over sanguine adding bleed dam

[worldly bridge]

Oh ok

thats kinda dumb design

[novel star]

yes!

it sucks

[full palm]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-blizzard-activision-blizzard-activision-bobby-kotick-gif-10247464055084334428

[novel star]

and having to vanish for garrote also sucks because then you can’t vanish to fix your mark on a sketchy fight like court

[worldly bridge]

Yet toplogs are going for it

[deep wave]

how am i supposed to ever do 8/8 HC if i have not gotten AOTC in week 1?

[normal mist]

get a guild

[novel star]

logs mean nothing in isolation

[lethal arrow]

guild

[normal mist]

spend hours in Q

[full palm]

make the group yourself

[worldly bridge]

THIS is making me so mad

[novel star]

get a guild or pug it

[normal mist]

im chilling on the Aotc part

my guild is now 6/8 hc

[novel star]

i pugged aotc by lying

[full palm]

^ saaaaaaaame

[deep wave]

only works on fresh start, and then people fuck every mechanic there is to fuck as soon as we reach kyveza

[novel star]

“i have deep p3 xp from another pug, can pop”

in app note

[deep wave]

i lied too bro but they just dont believe me anymore

[novel star]

straight up a lie

[deep wave]

i tell them all 7/8 HC

[full palm]

6% best trie

never reached p3 before that

[normal mist]

xDDD

[novel star]

i did pop though

[full palm]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[novel star]

but p3 was a lie

[worldly bridge]

So you suggest i should stick to venom OR still aiming for 100% envenom uptime and not try too hard to proc SB ? And just be happy i've got it while i go soak or do mecanics

[novel star]

If you’re making a mistake with your mark any potential gain from the sb build will be lost because you’re now losing your entire hero tree with no way to fix it

just play venoms

imo

imp gar build has better burst but exact same overall

for aids gameplay

[worldly bridge]

We are 2 rogues in my guild. The other dude is slightly outgearing me (+5ilvl) and doing more dmgs while also playing SB. I was considering swapping but idk now

[novel star]

it is extremely unlikely that he outdpsd you because of talents

[full palm]

Btw, not sure if its a bug but sometimes on bosses (lets say last boss NW), after I get sent down by the time I come back up I sometimes have darkest night buff for 3-4 secods so I would ambush to re-apply the mark, but it dissapears. Is that how it should work?

[pseudo osprey]

Sb?

[novel star]

skill and execution are real things

gear and talents don’t magically make you do infinite dps

[worldly bridge]

sanguine blades talent

[novel star]

if you’re getting outdamaged by enough that it’s concerning you should look at his cast timelines and buff/debuff uptimes instead of build imo

[worldly bridge]

Yeah idk i feelbad since we started mythics. My logs are good in HC, i was dominating and now im bottom tier. Same guild, 80% same players

[novel star]

[lethal arrow]

just apply it on the downstairs add and bring it up

[full palm]

oh

[novel star]

game is just hard

[full palm]

xd

[lethal arrow]

it could be bugged tbh

[novel star]

lot more to think about in mythic

[worldly bridge]

true

[novel star]

cant afk brain as much

[full palm]

make sure you type ??? in /p after every death as well

[novel star]

heroic parses are like hitting a dummy compared to mythic prog

everyone parses better in hc

still never an excuse to accept low dam when u can practice and optimize timings on the fights and everything but ya

[deep wave]

whats the name of that addon that fakes achievs

[novel star]

wha

[full palm]

oh he doin it

[novel star]

aintnoway man

[full palm]

he gettin that AOTC

[novel star]

LMAO

[deep wave]

its how i hit 2.1k in SL

[worldly bridge]

Im going from 83 avg to 40 lol ego hurt 😦

[deep wave]

i would understand getting gatekept on queen

but wtf am i supposed to do on brain off heroic kyveza/brood

[novel star]

mythic players are also just better on average and a smaller pool

so like

[deep wave]

that shit should be available to me

[novel star]

there’s gonna be crazy top parses in mythic logs

[full palm]

go for it man i agree

[novel star]

but yeh

[worldly bridge]

time to get better i guess

[novel star]

there are people in here who do log analyses sometimes

i’m too stupid for allat

but maybe worth a shot linking logs when chat is more active

and asking for advice

[worldly bridge]

Sure will do

[novel star]

if ur lost on where to find the damage

gl

[worldly bridge]

I've tried the !logs thing in the sub chat when i tried to learn it for a while. Didnt get any answer so im back to sin

[gentle aurora]

yo! does anyone know how this weeks affix is affecting assa rogue by any chance?

i've not noticed my cds reducing but maybe i'm pleb

[gentle apex]

If no improved garrote. Is vanished dropped from rotation altogether ?

[lunar lotus]

anyone have prepot and deathmark macro ? ;0

[worldly bridge]

Only played 3x 10+, post nerf we can just cleave the add its not even noticable.

Regarding CDs reduction its very good for cleaving kingsbane more often with caustic, it sucks for Deathmark as its not aligne with mast trink anymore 😦

[worldly bridge]

#showtooltip Marque létale
/use 13
/use Potion tempérée fugace
/use Potion tempérée
/cast Marque létale

A french one lel

[novel star]

currently yes

because of a bug

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[lunar lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-shy-kermit-terrified-scared-gif-17697469

[novel star]

🇫🇷

[gentle apex]

Thanks! @novel star

[worldly bridge]

damn i played imp garrote but i didnt ambush after vanish i just reapplied garrote

[deep wave]

blizz broke fake achievs last xpac

its over for the little guy

[naive lodge]

did i use "Echoing Reprimand" on Cooldown?

[midnight atlas]

yes

[true estuary]

Guys, i read in alot of guides that Echoing reprimand does not work with darkest night, but now i test it on the dummy and a charged combo point does indeed onsume the buff. Is the bug fixed?

[midnight atlas]

old news, it works now

[true estuary]

thanks

[calm grail]

So if in ST our first shiv is before KB, is the other at 8 secs of KB left?

[midnight atlas]

yeah, you cover kb wish shiv

when 1st shiv expires there's 8s of kb left so you shiv again

[dusk forge]

Any idea how much DPS we gain on ST with the upcoming changes?

[calm grail]

4%

It's in the pins I think

[timid marsh]

does Ambush procc make Kingsbane uneffective?

[normal mist]

what

[coarse narwhal]

with the luxthos weak aura kit, why are the combo points lighting up green when i have 4 combo points?

[covert creek]

What's the best wpn buff now for ST in raid?
Bubbling on main, whetstone on off?

[frigid wing]

just to add to this, as a new player trying to understand, echoing reprimand isnt something that lasts 45 seconds, they are stacks that start at 3 and are consumed and go down 3>2>1?

[trail locust]

Down to bone

[normal mist]

you press ER, your combo points 3,4 and 5 light up and you have 45 secs to use a finisher on those exact numbers to consume them

consuming a blue (ER) combo point counts as using a 7cp finisher

[timid marsh]

did u mean me?

[normal mist]

yeah

[left sundial]

Guys anyone try snap mechanic at necrotic all players stay dragon boss rog fly upstairs Tot and warlock summons rog is it possible this season ?

[timid marsh]

i wanted to know if Mutilate stacks KB better than Ambush, because of 2daggers vs 1 dagger

[normal mist]

its more about your auto attacks

and having envenom buff active 100% of the time during KB

[frigid wing]

thanks for the clarification, was absolutley lost

[timid marsh]

[blazing pumice]

does mutilate even actually strike twice

i'm pretty sure the damage is just modified by your MH/OH damage

[frigid wing]

also whats the tech to skip the shooters in SIEGE so we dont have to wait for them to cast?

[left sundial]

dk pet order attack adds adds running to you los them left corrner

[spice surge]

Well ye, it strikes once with your mainhand and once with your offhand

[novel arrow]

Wanna ask something. How important is it that we play Deathstalker for M+? Can someone highlight the benefits vs Fateweaver? Because I really really hate pressing ambush and then tracking which target has the mark when the tank pulls 10 mobs.

And I have to tab to kick . And tab to rupture. And Tab to check my twitter.

[muted ridge]

for m+ stat wise we still want crit mastery and low haste right?

[blazing pumice]

oh it actually does

i thought the formula was just dmg based off your mainhead + oh damage

[brisk forge]

Sim is the only correct answer

[muted ridge]

yeah ik

its more about, general guidelines

[brisk forge]

But in general ye

[astral plover]

do we want to proc Darkest night b4 crimson or after?=

[brisk forge]

But general is pointless when you want to sim it. 👌

[ashen rover]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[woven shore]

sorry i have a gf

[normal mist]

feels good

[past forum]

Fatebound is a perfectly reasonable choice for pretty much any level key. Deathstalker just gives you more focus prio which can be more important at the highest level if keys

[royal lantern]

and bait and switch

which iss busted

[normal mist]

+5

[slate crown]

Play fatebound if that's what you want to do, it's fine , promise you won't be looked at funny

[crisp pine]

huge

[normal mist]

filling my vault with grim batols

so next week it knows where to pick from

[tall jay]

Good luck

[kindred hinge]

Petty sure th e answer is no but ironwire nonwistanding is there a target cap where it would be a dps gain to vanish after opener to spread more than 5 rupture ?

[kindred hinge]

The thing is that you rarely press ambush past the first pull

[spring stream]

what a gamerr

[kindred hinge]

Deathstalker more tanky too

[clever sapphire]

city of trash, yap

[normal mist]

you know it

i've been playing bleed build

holy shit it feels better

[slate crown]

All that is needed to understand the upcoming changes is the first 5 seconds of the bottom left corner of Whispyrs new video

[normal mist]

(overall same dps as hibrid for now)

[clever sapphire]

blindside single handedly carrying bleed build

change my mind

[novel star]

🤤

[zenith prairie]

anyone know what the buff to ST translates to % wise?

[novel star]

the patch notes are shit and vague so we don’t know exact numbers

but there’s an early estimation in the pinned messages

[slate crown]

I would have made a gif of it too except I don't know how to make the youtube controls overlay to go away while starting the video and it's at the very start so it always shows up

[normal mist]

you're absolutely right

thats why it feels good

[normal mist]

[midnight atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

yknow

when i did the 🤤

i thought you meant the thumbnail

like

the feet

[royal lantern]

i just realised that arms skullsplitter is like

exsang

in braindead

[slate crown]

No I meant the first five seconds of the video, press play and look in the corner

[novel star]

yeh

just forgor

simply download the video with my goat https://cobalt.tools/

shits bis

[median beacon]

are most people running

cleave

[slate crown]

ok but like

[median beacon]

at 10+ keys?

[slate crown]

this is now your fault

[royal lantern]

no

they dont

[novel star]

LMAO

[royal lantern]

cleave is a thing you should not touch

[novel star]

fuck yes

he looks so joyous

[royal lantern]

cleave is like

if you need to ask about it, you are 9 key levelss under the stage where its a consideration

[novel star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[median beacon]

just wanted to try it out

no reason to not ask question

[royal lantern]

its a very very very niche build

[novel star]

cleave is worth trying if you’re bored i guesd

but it’s not like good unless ur in insanely top level shit yeah

[royal lantern]

like, there are 3-4 people that can play it in a very specific team comp

[novel star]

i did a cleave gb for fun

on my skardyns grind

still waiting for the drop

surely tomorrow

[novel star]

fuck off man

[pliant remnant]

[midnight atlas]

lower but still a flex

[novel star]

i cant take it anymore

[pliant remnant]

[faint path]

I saw one guy crafted this wtf is that 😄

[pliant remnant]

I got a WUE Skardyn's on my first time in Grim Batol in the season

haven't seen it once since

the will to go on is depleted

[novel star]

i have 626 egg too tbf and that shit literally dropped on my first ara but my 2nd trink is anub crystal

i need an on use bad

please ion hazzikostas

[tall jay]

I fit a delve knife and a transmitter and a heroic spy glass lol no pics though

[clever sapphire]

oh we are flexing trinkets? get me in on the fun

606 skardyns going hard

[crude sequoia]

that queens

i know it just absolutely fucks

[tall jay]

Maybe we will all get lucky and get it in our vaults this week

[clever sapphire]

queens is my only other trinket i got all season

okay thats a lie, i had a champion arakara on 613

[tall atlas]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[worldly bridge]

did they fix the warbound stuff droppping from HC bosses u alrdy killed ?

[blazing pumice]

someone mentioned helikili did this: how come sims use CT in st?

o

it's cuz momentum is up

[clever sapphire]

if i remember correctly if you have momentum of despair up pressing CT in ST is technically a dps gain

did i ever do that? no

i press CT if there are 2+ mobs

aka affix

[blazing pumice]

ye
crimson_tempest,if=effective_combo_points>=variable.effective_spend_cp&refreshable&buff.momentum_of_despair.remains>6&variable.single_target

[clever sapphire]

im gonna be totally honest, i dont think anyone is doing that

[slate crown]

Correct.

You can do this if you want to, the sims do it in the interest of optimization, but understand that it is extremely minor and I don't think anyone is realistically doing it.

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor holy shit that thumbnail made me laugh

[young dust]

can you imagine mists 1st boss with everyone running this trinket

crits 11m before damage amps

[pseudo osprey]

îs it normal that i feel energy starved in ST ?

idk how to fix it tbh xd

[cyan summit]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[cyan summit]

Nice they fixed it

[royal lantern]

yes

thats part of assa

[cyan summit]

So for m+ is bubbling wax better than weapon oil ?

[royal lantern]

energy manangment and pooling is part of it

[pseudo osprey]

that just feels like part of Rogue and Feral in general i guess...

Sub feels just as energy starved outside of Shadow blades xD

[quiet oar]

[cyan summit]

Both myth ?! Damn

Gz

[royal lantern]

yes

but sub is also not doing anything outside of dance

[clever sapphire]

getting it on myth is easier at this point than veteran dafuck, i have seen more people with myth track on those than veteran

[pseudo osprey]

damnnn

[pseudo osprey]

well yeah also true. which is why i only play Sub in PVP or Raid

i cant bear to play Sub in M+

[royal lantern]

sub is "maintain suff outsaide of CD cus in cds you have infinite cp/energy"

assa is "in cds you can use skills on CD, outside of CDs you maintain envenom instead of spamming kills cus its better

outlaw is "what is this weird yellow bar????????"

[true condor]

brothers may i ask what does haste actually effecting us?

[quiet oar]

I had it on veteran too

[true condor]

like does it give us more energy or more things?

[quiet oar]

Not true, when you dont proc you wait 2 seconds for 1 sinister strike

[royal lantern]

auto attack speed + dots tick faster

[quiet oar]

!haste

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[quiet oar]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[quiet oar]

there it is

[true condor]

[royal lantern]

the "passive energy reg" doesnt really get increased, yes the tooltip says "More energy reg" but its 1 energy for 10% haste

reminder that mutilate is 55 energy, 10% energy is 1 ability more each minute

[pseudo osprey]

Even Outlaw feels like it gets Energy starved at some point

[royal lantern]

bleeds tick faster which technically means you get a bit more energy

but haste just doesnt have a impact on energy

its passive more dmg

the only stat you can "feel" is argurably crit

[pseudo osprey]

Mastery, because big damn :^)

[royal lantern]

cus that can theoretical mean "you get 3-4 cp more often from mutilate"

[royal lantern]

tbh

energy SHOULD run out at some point for everyone

what is the point of a resource bar if it doesnt run out

[pseudo osprey]

ask Furry warrior ....

[true condor]

a brother asked he has both 619 dagger but he dmg low af, after checking hes gear i found hes haste is low, i guess that the main reason but i dont sure, consider that i am not a sin master so the best way is to ask every master

[royal lantern]

im a furry warrior OwO

[pseudo osprey]

yeah, what do you even need fury for since you just get procs

[clever sapphire]

if a sim doesnt tell you to get more haste you are fine on haste

there isnt much more to that

[true condor]

he just used quick sim

💀 and said skyfury is nothing for rogue

[royal lantern]

?

the shaman buff?

[clever sapphire]

whats skyfury

ah

[royal lantern]

rogue is 1 of the classess with the biggest gain from it lol

iirc only arms warrior is above rogue for it

[spice surge]

Sub and frost dk both benefit more than arms does

[royal lantern]

[true condor]

[royal lantern]

ye, i forgot that arms is kinda in rage overload mode rn

again

for the 200000th time

[true condor]

we know it and tell him then he blocked one of us

[spice surge]

Like sub gets 7.5% from it (including the mastery)

[true condor]

eta gg for him

[royal lantern]

turns out, when 1 of your CP generating talents needs auto hits

getting more auto hits is KINDA a gain

[royal lantern]

how high is assa

cant find it on bloodmallet idk

[spice surge]

Not sure, bloodmallet removed it because you no longer need to have a windfury group so you no longer need to decide who gets it

[royal lantern]

ye i know

[spice surge]

So the gain from it is mostly curiousa

[royal lantern]

was still kinda cool to see the differences

[arctic oracle]

Hello guys, i just got araka kara trink, but still simulation says its lower dps than shadow binding knife by alot. How do you guys sim ur characters and is it really better to have ara kara?

[spice surge]

Knife is good

Sim is right

[oak eagle]

knife is good, its just the only bad thing about it

is its hard stuck at 626 or w/e hero 6/6 is

[winged gust]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[oak eagle]

while other trinkets can get to 639? I think is the ilvl of 6/6 myth

[strange python]

is dbl depths better than 1depths and 1 radiant power?

[spice surge]

Depths better st

radiant better aoe

[strange python]

so 1 /1

?

[spice surge]

Or 2/0, or 2/0

up to you

[arctic oracle]

On what parameters do you guys sim ur character for maximum accuracy is it on dungeon slicce?

[spice surge]

Dungeonslice is as good as it gets for m+ yes

[grizzled geyser]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[oak tangle]

has anyone done testing to see what 1 dawnthread and 1 ascension is like?

[arctic oracle]

well im playing it even thou it wasn;t my original intention

Idk if i had 2x downthread lining wouldve been much difference

[spice surge]

Embellishments are ultra weak either way, it doesnt really matter

The difference between them is like 0.1%

[manic quartz]

Is Dead-Eye spyglass bugged? i jus spent like 5min attacking dummy and it didnt proc a single time.

[pure star]

Mine procs a decent amount in keys, I always hear the god damn proc noise

[fervent adder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[manic quartz]

what it sound like :o?

[rotund oak]

5min no proc?

gg bugged

[devout schooner]

which command to see bis flask/food/oil?

[rotund oak]

alchemical chaos,risotto,1 wax 1 whetstone

[devout schooner]

thanks

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[crisp shard]

is there an estimate on the proposed tier set changes for dps gain?

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[rotund oak]

as in how much we gain from the buff?

[rotund oak]

its all over,my economy in shambles

[crisp shard]

what is a pin?

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-jesse-pinkman-he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-this-breaking-bad-walter-gif-11328503629570473915

[slate crown]

Nullstones and gem settings are down so that ride is over sadly, but part of my strat is diversifying crafts so I've got a multitude of options to just keep going if one craft tanks

[craggy ruin]

Yo a question, m+ wise. How should i use my rotation when i stsrt a pack of mobs in a plus?

[rotund oak]

upper right side of ur discord panel above the purple names there is the ''search'' box,next to that box there are 4 thingies u can click,the 2nd from the right '' pinned messages''

click on it

[rotund oak]

im making sub 120k on my ''easy'' days right now.. inflation is gone,no raw materials sell that much and the only stable income is from enchants right now

and tailor crafting

im so gone

[manic quartz]

Seems it only proc from abilities not from autoattacks, since i tested with only autoattacking and with abilities and with abilities i managed to get it proc

[rotund oak]

was certain it proc'd from autos as well but might have changed,gonna search for it and come back at u with more on that section

[royal iron]

If I will just focuse on m+ I will go for 2x dawnthread lining? Ascension is more for raiding ?

[manic quartz]

way ahead of you, i relogged and it procced from the very first autoattack -.- i have no idea whats happening

[spice surge]

Sure, it doesnt matter much either way, the differences are extremly minimal

[rotund oak]

im already using the trinket fam,ik it for sure it procs from autos

[pure star]

Like a bell ringing

[deep gyro]

Is 1 wax 1 whetstone really better than 2 whestone? 😮

[rotund oak]

sim it fam,u will get ur answer 🙂

[deep gyro]

I thought wax wasn’t in raidbots havent really tried ty

[rotund oak]

its something like close to 0.2% better

a bit less maybe

[thorn crater]

have people started running depths enchant on m+?

[manic quartz]

too lazy to switch and dont have another set of weapons

[rotund oak]

[thorn crater]

crafted items dont count towards free upgrades?

oh hell nahhhhh

[subtle tundra]

They do

[minor dagger]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

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[minor dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dusty crescent]

i was out on vacation for 1.5 weeks

so assa get's nothing in the tuning worth talking about eh?

y baby boy spatter getting nerfed

daddy whispyr doing the work for me once again

[royal lantern]

i swear

some/most of you guys dont understand how the sspec work

see a ST buff combined with a spatter nerf and think its a nerf

[dusty crescent]

😮

[exotic hearth]

I wanna start getting into pvp (mostly to get achievs but you still kinda need to be good to help get them). What are some good resources?

[thorn crater]

it doesnt for me

and i just noticed i crafted intellect dagger

even put depths on it before i saw

[dusty crescent]

it's okay your performance in wow translates to irl success

[subtle tundra]

You need to craft 2 weapons if you're a dual wielder

[spice surge]

#pvp

[thorn crater]

i have regicide at 626 and a crafted 636. but it doesnt let me upgrade scalpel dagger to 626 for free in bags

can only assume it is because i crafted intellect dagger

instead of the agi one

...............

[subtle tundra]

It is

[thorn crater]

now way to reforge it into agi right

different recipe

[subtle tundra]

That's a common mistake

[spice surge]

Correct

[thorn crater]

why would they name intellect "dagger" they usually put something spell related on it

i jusand they look the same

[royal lantern]

so thats why im a loser

[thorn crater]

sigh

[subtle tundra]

I've heard people open tickets for that

Don't know if they fix

[ionic cloud]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[royal lantern]

they dont

[warm vortex]

I had an idea for more dps
How about we just bring like 10 sets of thistle tea into a dungeon
Just start chugging tea every five seconds :P

[subtle tundra]

Try to use one

See if you can use another one

[torn shadow]

did they change darkest night to work off of Echoing reprimand?

[spice surge]

They share a 5 minute cd with regular dps potions

So thats not really possible

[spice surge]

yes

[torn shadow]

Thrall be praised

[royal lantern]

ER is gone in 2 weeks

[torn shadow]

I'm not sure if I should cheer or be sad?

[warm vortex]

I was speaking in terms of thought
not actually like in game

like saying we should just get stronger posions ahha

[rotund oak]

u know whats worse?

[naive crane]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[royal lantern]

headache

[woven shore]

!macro

xd

[latent badger]

quick q - is CT a gain at 2 targets or is it 3+?

[obtuse ruin]

3

[oak tangle]

guide says 2

[rotund oak]

those ppl will have the chance to vote ( 😅 )

[winged gust]

!spec

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[slate crown]

[pseudo osprey]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

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[torn shadow]

Oh god why, what are we playing instead

[spice spire]

Ourselves

[tawny pawn]

Well if whisp is right 4% ST is not bad

in trade for 1.5% loss in dungeons i take that trade everyday

[frigid wing]

what should be my highest damaging spells in m+?

[spice spire]

Caustic

Or CT

[tawny pawn]

Dam i never have my CT close to caustic lol

It usually looks like this for me

[severe sparrow]

Damn i was gonna say my spatter is at least 1/3 more than my ct but im also trash

[spice spire]

I mean it should be caustic

And it also depends on pull size

[severe sparrow]

Thanks for making me feel better about being trash

[spice spire]

I mean you’re probably not trash.
Most of mine is caustic > envenom, which objectively should not be it

[granite gate]

My spatter is always 3rd on the list, I’m trash as well

[spice spire]

By like

As much as it is

[frigid wing]

got it

[tall cradle]

WTB more ST dmg

[flint tusk]

Quick one.

I know fan is 2+ targets, but is CT still 3+ targets? Or did that change to 2+ also?

[frigid wing]

also, why do we death mark so late into the opener with wow head build?

[royal lantern]

because you kinda want everything running first?

[tawny pawn]

Ruptur increases our agility, you apply a lot of bleeds for energy sustain, then you go gor deathmark and kingsbane combo

and you can just spam stuff.

[spice spire]

2+

[tawny pawn]

its pretty much a ramp

[spice spire]

1 if talented with mod up is technically a gain but I cba

[frigid wing]

appreciate the help

[arctic granite]

Hey I got a question does assassination rogue just sim low or? Since when I sim my assassination rogue I get like 1.1mil ST and with outlaw I get like 1.25 but I really wanna swap to assa but seeing the dps difference scares me is this normal or?

[tawny pawn]

Correction: Use CT on 2 targets

[still steeple]

also think about the uptime on single target bc its more punishing on outlaw than sin to not be pressing buttons

[arctic granite]

Yeah but is it normal that its that different?

[still steeple]

normal? probably

will it be the same after tuesday? almost certainly not

[arctic granite]

Wait whats gonna happen?

Not really following with changes atm

[alpine garden]

The end times

[still steeple]

[arctic granite]

Oh damn

Was planning on trying to change to assa after the reset so thats nice

[frozen jasper]

mana oil or bubbling for m+ as alternative?

[heavy trail]

Might have been asked before, but is there a big difference between having everforged with ascendance and one dawnthread or 2 dawnthreads? Not a big raider, casual M+ and such. I get that it's cooler to have the procing weapon and I see a lot of higher IO rogues using it but was wondering if its' worth investing all that gold over just upgrading my dungeon weapons or whatever.

[still steeple]

iirc they are about the same and bubbling is super easy to obtain

[subtle cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8OT9Md7lY

bro this shit is huge

[rare jackal]

holy its our boy @frozensoviet

[spice spire]

RIP

[thin ingot]

hi everyone, is there a good youtube guy with an updated guide i can put on the second monitor?

[subtle cipher]

whispyr

[rotund oak]

ye it is,the man is an aura god

im following him for quite a while

[subtle cipher]

its interesting cuz im getting my fps killed on brood, at first i thought it was plater, but that doesnt happen on huge pack of mobs on m+

only on raids

idk