Buff is goodge 
#assassination
slate crown
balmy condor
guys I had a thought this morning
novel star
backspoon
cerulean walrus
Oh good heavens
novel star
spooning
balmy condor
cerulean walrus
Whispyr thinking?
onyx linden
You can cloak shattering sweep from sikran right? Never bothered to try
novel star
go on
cerulean walrus
Oh no
balmy condor
what list of effects
cerulean walrus
It’s Joever
balmy condor
novel star
oh
cerulean walrus
novel star
okay
cerulean walrus
Uh oh
balmy condor
hear me out right
cerulean walrus
Oh god
balmy condor
blizzard takes the mastery list
waxen oyster
mastery stonk?
cerulean walrus
Whispyr is gonna cook
balmy condor
they pluck out
the garrote/rupture/ct stuff
because 4 piece
and then just ram it into 2 piece
slate crown
whispyr I can't follow you can you tell me is it based or cringe
novel star
i thought u were continuing spatter despair
balmy condor
novel star
whispyr I can't follow you can you tell me is it based or cringe
same + based
balmy condor
like look at this list
and tell me
that there's something that shouldn't be on 2 piece
cerulean walrus
Nothing Personal
balmy condor
I forgor bone spike
cerulean walrus
That’s a blast from the past
runic hinge
sepsis
balmy condor
image I crossed out bone spike
that's whatever
but like you getting me?
it's all things that like
should be on the list
so my cook right
they took the mastery list
yoinked out the bleeds
and then shoved it into 2 piece
cerulean walrus
Slaughter poison
novel star
how giga would our set be if they did that
runic hinge
laughter poison
novel star
giga asf no?
balmy condor
so this tier buff is actually a vicious venoms + deathstalker buff
novel star
so this tier buff is actually a vicious venoms + deathstalker buff
i mean just from the hero talents line it was a ds buff but 
balmy condor
yah but like
novel star
based
balmy condor
"appropriate"
cerulean walrus
I’ll show you my viscous venoms
balmy condor
tf does that mean
cerulean walrus
novel star
tf does that mean
tf does increased proc chance mean
balmy condor
who knows
balmy condor
but it's better
cerulean walrus
Whispyr I know you love tooltips like ???
novel star
useless information
cerulean walrus
And swirl the mojo
novel star
surely ur cooking tho
rustic zealot
Hi guys, stupid question: dungeon slice profile for m+ simming work well?
cerulean walrus
Crystallizing the mojo
novel star
Hi guys, stupid question: dungeon slice profile for m+ simming work well?
it’s fine ya
dungeon sims are always a little sussy i think but it gets the job done
cerulean walrus
Whispyr is typing…
balmy condor
I mean lets say it's average 8% right, corrupt the blood, kingsbane, vicious, envenom, hunt them down, mark, flensing, fatal intent add up to 22+3+11+4+2+3+2 a whoppin 47% of our damage, and that's getting an 8% buff 
4-5% good
they could take flensing away through
but like
you feelin me
cerulean walrus
Yeah but has the mojo been crystallized
novel star
but also get fucked fatebound lmao
cerulean walrus
novel star
the coins r alrdy buffed but
cerulean walrus
Ethical gamers stay losing
balmy condor
fucking losers
balmy condor
I mean if they fix the dsm vanish thing
and it's just this buff the way I'm thinking they did it
- flensing stays
we're like just straight 7% up or something
like big numba
maybe 6%
balmy condor
and then just depends how the rest of the class stack looks
but like off 50% sikran bm got nuked
pure star
More, I want MORE
balmy condor
so outlier gone
6% of 900k is 54
so we'd be like where dev is now
I mean that seems pretty gud tbh
pure star
MORE
onyx linden
wtf is flensing
balmy condor
the stupid shit they removed but not cleanly
so you go ethereal cloak and gg you have a talent that doesn't exist
+2% dps nice job
onyx linden
oh wtf
thorn thorn
Is 
good again
strange python
Is fatebound viable?
balmy condor
yeh it's fine
I can't really recommend it with the same gusto now though
cause deathstalker's difficulty during beta was fighting bugs and poor design
and that's just kinda gone now
so fatebound used to be the "easy" hero talent tree with a slight loss
but like
it's not even that anymore tbh
spice surge
and that's just kinda gone now
Gone for assa ye 
strange python
Well thanks for your quick response
novel star
i’m really surprised fatebound works the way it does
like
edge case is surely working as intended
it’s just awful to play around
balmy condor
edge case isn't even that bad honestly
spice surge
it’s just awful to play around
Thats why theyre removing it
novel star
it’s not terrible it’s just like why
spice surge
So we dont have to play around it
balmy condor
yeh
novel star
Thats why theyre removing it
well no you still have to play around it then
balmy condor
you just macro it to deathmark
novel star
just 1 no cb envenom instead of 2
novel star
yucky tho
strange python
!wa
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balmy condor
probably shiv
I haven't thought about it
shiv seems reasonable though
well okay m+ though it won't be up for dm then
so maybe you do just macro to kb
spice surge
I wouldnt call that playing around it
balmy condor
I don't see how
spice surge
Why would it be
novel star
-total casts no?
balmy condor
if you cast on cd it averages 50 seconds
so you would cast on dm, then 10 seconds before kb
and then it would be 20 seconds before the next dm
so you would hold it
or
novel star
balmy condor
you just macro to kb, cast on dm, then kb, then dm
just sounds better to macro lowkey
you're guaranteeing env crits during shiv that way as well
seems like a no brainer
novel star
you're guaranteeing env crits during shiv that way as well
this is true ya
royal lantern
im a no brainer
balmy condor
we know
spice surge
Couldnt you just macro cb to envenom or mutilate/whatever
balmy condor
no
novel star
well the problem with that is wasting edge case
spice surge
Why would edge case be wasted
novel star
cause the game sucks
spice surge
Theyre changing it so get it when you cast DM
novel star
inevitability matches the previous 1 coin flip
balmy condor
you can still match edge case
balmy condor
new edge case technically gives +1 flips
cause instead of a finisher giving 1/1
deathmark is giving 1/1
and you never cast the finisher
spice surge
Ok i thought they just changed deathmark to add +1 and not actually count as a flip you can vanish/cb
Mb i guess for thinking theyd fix something 
balmy condor
nah it's still a flip
balmy condor
that's not a fix though
edge case is working as intended
like being able to match it and stuff
spice surge
Well ye
balmy condor
is how it's designed
intended design is just needing a cb bind
balmy condor
real question though
spice surge
I didnt mean bugfix, i meant like a gameplay fix
balmy condor
am I putting feet into the thumbnail for this patch note video
slate crown
am I putting feet into the thumbnail for this patch note video
What's the pass/fail rate
of asking chat
for thumnail recommendations
balmy condor
will youtube let me put feet into the thumbnail
novel star
probably
balmy condor
for thumnail recommendations
chat thumbnail ideas have been winners every time
grim vigil
mad queens mandate not properly siming or is it just bad for m+
novel star
better solution for you
novel star
have feet on screen the entire video and then use an auto generated thumbnail
so youtube is putting the feet there themselves
west crown
Feet dagger when?
royal lantern
chat thumbnail ideas have been winners every time
except the "max opens the vid, sees the Thumbnail and closes it" thing 
grim vigil
its really handy for oneshotting affix
balmy condor
then use it
balmy condor
except the "max opens the vid, sees the Thumbnail and closes it" thing <:dracthy...
okay well to be fair that was the title and understandable
but his chat still loved it
max seeing a 40 minute video labeled as venting gamer boyfriend asmr
probably not a click
hair standing up on his neck
novel star
hair standing up on his neck
mine too
balmy condor
lock in
novel star
grip 🤤
gloomy sail
Wich Hero talant should i choose im new to rouge in General Play it Last Time Back in MoP
balmy condor
deathstalker
gloomy otter
anyone know why my castsequence macro stops at kingsbane?
balmy condor
my mom taught me if I have nothing nice to say I shouldn't say it
gloomy sail
Is it hard to Play around the Mark Thing in aoe in Case i have to target Swap for affix or kick Things
buoyant schooner
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
royal lantern
we're talking about feet not asmr
royal lantern
Is it hard to Play around the Mark Thing in aoe in Case i have to target Swap fo...
you swap, do you thing and then go back to your target
gloomy sail
So it not too hard of a DMG loss If i use Things on affix ?
royal lantern
ofc not
stable cove
seeing some top m+ rogues run double vanish instead of reprimand, thoughts?
spice spire
short comet
Cope
balmy condor
seeing some top m+ rogues run double vanish instead of reprimand, thoughts?
big damage loss for very specific niche use cases that normal humans will never encounter
gloomy sail
Thats what i was thinkin that swaping Targets ist insane DMG loss
stable cove
coool
novel star
these are the top rogues thoughts on the build the top rogues are using
its in the pins
stable cove
when i run 1 shiv, should i kingbane and then shiv? saw a rogue doin this but idk maybe its eu brain
novel star
yes
buoyant schooner
last 8 seconds of kb does the most damage
so only shiv on last 8 sec of kingsbane?
novel star
with 1 charge yeh
buoyant schooner
hmm
buoyant schooner
ok, tks! was doing it wrong on M+
stable cove
ok, tks! was doing it wrong on M+
same lol
but was watching zerocool and was like uh im dumb
buoyant schooner
we are* lol
drowsy cosmos
Hi, whats are the best weapon enchs for m+ ? iam currently running 2x radiant power but i saw on raider io that players running depths... whats better ?
balmy condor
radiant power
upper spear
so, ive been running the M+ bleed build, i feel like it cranks. I forgot about the Hybrid build. The primary difference is Hybrid offers more boss dam? (im currently in the key range of 8-10s)
usually around 1.2+ mill overall dps
balmy condor
should easily be more aoe as well in that range
wheat tiger
How are the sin buffs for next week looking. Dev notes says improved ST dmg? Slight nerf to AOE?
blazing pumice
📌
wheat tiger
Is it pinned?
lament stump
yessir
whispyr do you ever talk about your history with the game, like when u started what specs and that kind of thing
lament stump
big if true
mellow sun
lol won an offspec roll for a myth outlaw wep
strange python
I need to go make bank in Goldshire on weekends man
Surely it’s worth more than boosting
upper spear
I can drop Iron Wire for 2nd Shiv in the Hybrid build, the tank will be ok, right? RIGHT? 😁
strange python
You might also get dropped from the group
upper spear
playing 1 Shiv is fucking with my head
lament stump
shouldnt it be easier theoretically lol
vale shore
just count to three after kings bane, then shiv
spice surge
I can drop Iron Wire for 2nd Shiv in the Hybrid build, the tank will be ok, righ...
No point having 2 shivs without arterial in aoe
In big aoe pulls its not worth it use one shiv even, so why would you want a second charge
(it obviously does good prio damage, but not aoe)
vale shore
I could drop Thistle Tea for Shadowheart too...
spice spire
I could drop Thistle Tea for Shadowheart too...
Dog no
spice spire
I get it but the gains
royal python
Does garotte in iron wire debuff extend it with pandemic logics
royal python
Does garotte in iron wire debuff extend it with pandemic logics
Can knowledgeable gurus confirm please
barren island
thoughts on this build for brood?
vale shore
I use the hybrid M+ build, its all about spreading dots on that fight to kill adds
for me anyway
leaden dew
skardyns + arakara sac // skardyns + spyglass ??
normal mist
sim // sim
runic hinge
got an int dagger as my warbound loot from GB wooooooooooo
waxen oyster
after the 9th time the hook in necrotic wake bugs out
What key level has 9 hooks on one pull
primal quest
how are we feeling about the upcoming tweaks on assa ? 😮 a nerf on m+ dmg overall ?
weary river
Got a general question (didn't really follow professions from DF), i'm trying to get 639 wrists crafted, i got the 90 gilded crests, what should be of high quality in the reagents to assure the 639 ? is public order okay ?
weary river
rank depends both on quality of reagents and the guy who does it if i understand correctly ? or just shitty ingredients and a strong guy will suffice ?
for the 636 crafted*
wide ferry
What key level has 9 hooks on one pull
the key level where the monk cant send a hook straight so you wipe 5 times hehe
waxen oyster
slate crown
rank depends both on quality of reagents and the guy who does it if i understand...
If you want a guaranteed highest rank, the best crafters require the best quality ingredients so they don't have to spend concentration.
slate crown
Not as good crafters can get you there with concentration too and lower quality mats
weary river
Okay thanks for the info 🙂
waxen oyster
Tbh the only thing safe to public order
is enchanted crests
you can public that with no tip and chances are high someone will take in less than 5 minutes
on a big server
slate crown
can crafters even rank 5 with rank 2 mats yet
It's not a "yet" thing
slate crown
depends on the profession but for most that I've done, max rank without concentration requires almost max mats
well yeah but
for a given singular craft
you can have max kp on it
waxen oyster
alch cauldrons have a stupid number of kp you can invest
into that one tree for skill points
then into the herbs for it
slate crown
Alchemy is a bit of an outlier
with how many points are needed for crafts
it's actually kind of ridiculous
But like your standard armor crafter or weapon smith is fully maxed out right now with at least their primary chosen path
What we get later in the season with crafting isn't more ability to craft stronger pieces, it's the ability to craft a larger variety of pieces
Within week 2 and maybe even 1 people were able to at least do one thing at max
this was true of df too
it's the ability to spread your crafting to other areas that improves as the season progresses
er, expansion
assuming they don't do something different in later seasons which they might 
professions were kinda left out to dry for the later df seasons
rocky sluice
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
gritty laurel
both
mint urchin
Are the sims accurate for gems like with the culminating blasphemite? It tells me to just stack all deadly onyx
heavy trail
This might sound like a dummy question, but for some reason when I apply wax or runes to my MH then try to do it again recently it's started to simply overwrite the MH versus applying to the OH. Is there like a sure way to do that outside of unequipping and reequiping each one ?
wise plume
man when did pallies become gods again
ret pallies are just the BM hunters for melee and ill die on that hill
tropic fox
True and real
cinder grotto
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
woeful wigeon
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
upper spear
No point having 2 shivs without arterial in aoe
but the bleed build in WowHead doesnt take Arterial?
cinder grotto
!up
prisma monolithBOT
waxen idol
is it ok to have my crafted and embellished dagger in my offhand if a better i lvl dagger comes around?
uneven plume
imp poisens or imp garrote
oak nacelle
Do u put 2x lethal poison for m+?
and 2x non lethal?
the slow poison would lower the chance of the other one right?
woven shore
is it ok to have my crafted and embellished dagger in my offhand if a better i l...
Ofc why not loo
cinder grotto
depends, sometimes crippling is good, othertimes it makes pulls slower
for some boss fights where adds cant reach boss I use crippling, otherwise just numb/atrophic
oak nacelle
if u apply crippling, numb/atrophic get lower chance?
or do they get lower chance cuz of 2x lethal anyway?
brave blaze
is there like a haste minimum for assasination rogue. i have like 8 percent but it seems that haste is simming very high for me
runic hinge
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
runic hinge
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
brave blaze
Cool thanks
latent pike
I am confused, can i run Dawnthread on my belt and wrists AND craft ascension on my weapon?
wary valley
!
remote holly
It’s so hard to maintain my bleeds. Any tips on that or UI?
I’ve tried mouse over my ruptures but eventually too many that I get overwhelmed.
waxen thunder
It’s so hard to maintain my bleeds. Any tips on that or UI?
I assume m+ yeah?
subtle cipher
It’s so hard to maintain my bleeds. Any tips on that or UI?
plater is sexy
waxen thunder
Plater is huge. What worked for me, was setting a goal “I will keep four up” then when you are doing that with ease up it to five etc.
winged gust
which plater do yall recommend?
west crown
Just count your bleeds and when the one you are focusing is about to go down, the rest are. If you don’t want to use plater
solar merlin
Anyone did the math on our gain from the fixed tierset?
earnest remnant
cyan gyro
Also on this topic - Other than the Icy Vein and Wowhead guides, any good video / guides on M+ specifically? My dotting isn't too bad, but compared to others they are still pulling like double my dmg on M+
glacial crypt
What are your thoughts on bouncers
cyan gyro
Really want to find out what am i screwing up
glacial crypt
Hello I have a scarf
warm ledge
bit of a weird question,
Is there a way to track interrupts from iron wire?
glacial crypt
Also on this topic - Other than the Icy Vein and Wowhead guides, any good video ...
Depends dungeon to dungeon
glacial crypt
bit of a weird question,
Is there a way to track interrupts from iron wire?
Plater shows which mob is silenced, also a small smoke cloud above their head
haughty lantern
question, is having a yellow gem worth it to have all 5 gem types for the diamond? or is the lack of secondary stats not werf?
glacial crypt
Not in details
glacial crypt
question, is having a yellow gem worth it to have all 5 gem types for the diamon...
Sim it
Robot will tell u
haughty lantern
ah right
waxen thunder
question, is having a yellow gem worth it to have all 5 gem types for the diamon...
Sim it, like for me it wasnt worth the chase bonus at all
warm ledge
Plater shows which mob is silenced, also a small smoke cloud above their head
Im meaning like, overall in a key. Total number of times its stopped a cast etc
glacial crypt
Im meaning like, overall in a key. Total number of times its stopped a cast etc
No^^
Who has questions
I'm drunk waiting for a taxi ready for assassination rogue guidance giving
winged gust
I'm drunk waiting for a taxi ready for assassination rogue guidance giving
thats a really interesting sentence
iron valve
I'm drunk waiting for a taxi ready for assassination rogue guidance giving
what poisons should I use for thanksgiving dinner?
winged gust
I'm drunk waiting for a taxi ready for assassination rogue guidance giving
what should i do after i press kingsbane? i feel like im not making good use of it
glacial crypt
what should i do after i press kingsbane? i feel like im not making good use of ...
Spam your favourite buttons
(build quick spend quick, envenom is your best friend )
AND SHIV IN LAST 7 SECONDS
IF YOU DON'T I'LL CRY
winged gust
got it thank you drunkman
timber hare
Shiv when kingsbane has 7s?
glacial crypt
what poisons should I use for thanksgiving dinner?
Wound poison 💯💯
winged gust
got it thank you drunkman
or woman
glacial crypt
Shiv when kingsbane has 7s?
Maybe idfk
silent granite
Should I be saving all gilded crests for crafted mainhand?
glacial crypt
Should I be saving all gilded crests for crafted mainhand?
No it only costs 90 crests
I'd save for double craft then send high ticket item upgrades
Like trinkets
And headpiece
remote holly
plater is sexy
I'm using plater but still messy.
plucky plover
Anyone have suggestions for Zekvir (??) on Assassination?
Struggling with it
A lot of people say to go Outlaw for it, but I don't have a hero mainhand for it
subtle cipher
I'm using plater but still messy.
What i meant by plater is that you can customize it however you want
Fix whats bothering you
lament stump
Anyone have suggestions for Zekvir (??) on Assassination?
did u swap to ST talents
plucky plover
Yeah
rotund oak
A lot of people say to go Outlaw for it, but I don't have a hero mainhand for it
u dont need to be outlaw or anything man,just play through the mechanics and stay alive.Use a potion or two if it takes long and arm urself with patience
static glacier
Maybe consider fatebound + having a tea charge for adds
Should be more add damage without having to plan marks
plucky plover
I can only kick his regen and have to take spittle
static glacier
Also step > step kick is possible
plucky plover
How do you deal with his casts?
fleet pagoda
and his 2.8M damage autos
yeah this was my issue. one crit + one normal = 
rotund oak
i vanish the adds and play elusiveness
fleet pagoda
saw a priest saying when he solod it he only got autod for like 700k lol
rotund oak
think of ?? something like a myth raid but u are alone
u need to play around the mehcanics,its what it is
plucky plover
I've been trying to cloak and vanish spittle in between Brann cleanses
Would you suggest him being healer or dps?
rotund oak
healer
unless u are a tank ofc
there u want dmg so he has to be dps
ive killed it in my mage which is like 612
plucky plover
Should I spec into elusiveness?
rotund oak
yeah i think its better but im also a mehcagnome
oak tangle
i feel like cheat death procs it's over
rotund oak
got a baseline cheat death
wild hound
Do you guys know if its intended that the ability of the first boss in Necrotic Wake goes through cloak? It deals nature damage so I was very confused when it oneshot me despite cloak being up.
fleet pagoda
Do you guys know if its intended that the ability of the first boss in Necrotic ...
doubt it's intended, but it is what it is regardless. you can evasion it supposedly
I just discovered that the dodge ball in mists can't be immuned, also nature damage
wild hound
Yeah, did that after that. Guess feint works too
oak tangle
i got got by the frost aoe on the add before the second boss
wild hound
Lmao, yeah it's so weird. No consistency
oak tangle
whole dungeons is inconsistent on what cloak works on
drifting cloud
wild hound
Second boss in RAID does enormous aoe = no probs. Little big dead boi retches = Dead
Oh really? Sounds risque tho haha
fleet pagoda
did they change the last boss of mists' shield intermission from SL? was there always that much stuff on the ground?
waxen oyster
bran dispels spittle
if you have him as healer
granted i did it as outlaw and vanish clears it too for some reason
waxen oyster
dwarf worst case if bran was slow on the dispel
rotund oak
it becomes pretty simple a boss once u get into the right midnset
oak tangle
bran didnt dispell me
rotund oak
yeah there is also dwarf
waxen oyster
he kicks as healer too
oak tangle
not for me
waxen oyster
i know this mostly because brann loves to kick on my warrior
when i have reflect up
plucky plover
lol he crit me for over 3M on this last attempt and ended the fight
winged gust
would luxthos wa clash with whispyr's plater by any chance
fleet pagoda
brann can't hold him
rotund oak
plater doesnt clash with anything unless u have ElvUI set up
oak tangle
yeha my tricks doesn't work
fleet pagoda
even if you tricks during your first DM window he'll be right back on you
oak tangle
i mean you can't tricks him from stealth, it sintant resets the fight
so you have to open upo first
and then he just doesnt get agro
winged gust
plater doesnt clash with anything unless u have ElvUI set up
cool ty
waxen oyster
i mean i did it as outlaw which is slightly easier
unless you troll and your vanish resets him
oak tangle
i've noticed a bug with delves and plater / elvui
where the nameplates dont update randomly
rotund oak
yeah
ive tried elvui again and i didnt like it tbh
the only thing im using is whispyr's plater now
oak tangle
I wonder if its because of the coding they did fro trickster
rotund oak
and maybe his wa package
rotund oak
u can just watch a vid on youtube man
oak tangle
unless that's also part of the bug, and tricksters nameplates aren't meant to hide
rotund oak
i bet u will kill it in 10min
waxen oyster
Did it as fatebound though
rotund oak
idk,ild kill it in any spec now,gear is kind of a factor but not that much
plucky plover
My favorite is when he drops an egg and then does the conal on top of it that you can't get out of unless you shadowstep him real quick
waxen oyster
there was some funny convo in OL channel about how perma tricks works
if your tank dies while you had tricks on him
mobs go to him still
at the entrance
lament stump
luh mao
oak tangle
there was some funny convo in OL channel about how perma tricks works
lol, i had an issue when i did a key in sub, where the perma tricks sent the add on last boss of NW up to the tank
oak tangle
i was running with a palla and a dh, and i was jsut like, i can't compete
"maybe sub can get its damage out"
surreal wedge
Does anyone have a Shiv - Kingsbane macro?
waxen oyster
i mean if you pull around your cds it might be worth
oak tangle
was just 2's or something, i made the decision to swap to rogue in like week 2 of patch
oak tangle
Does anyone have a Shiv - Kingsbane macro?
what's the desire for this macro? what are you trying to save
waxen oyster
yeah reminds me of dhs who also do 0 dam
outside their cd windows
but at least thats once per 40
waxen oyster
I mean
oak tangle
it's no sniff to sin
waxen oyster
of the three rogue specs its probs the worst
bronze dune
anyone have any tips for single target in m+? its letting me down big time
waxen oyster
anyone have any tips for single target in m+? its letting me down big time
its a mid tier st spec
thats just how the game works
bronze dune
its a mid tier st spec
yeah but i feel like i could still be doing more
600k on mistcaller for example
in a 10
waxen oyster
you actually have to pool properly
oak tangle
on reset big stonks
meager plank
!up
prisma monolithBOT
west crown
600k on mistcaller for example
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom
- For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
bronze dune
Yeah Ive been trying to pool properly. maybe im just not hitting it right
ill keep trying
west crown
Maintain envenom, when you can’t anymore reset to 200 energy
lament stump
Yeah Ive been trying to pool properly. maybe im just not hitting it right
inshallah the ST buffs will set us free
waxen oyster
its like
not even bad rn
XD
did a mil last mistcaller idk
dotting boss and add helps
waxen oyster
you dont let rupture fall
unless you need to spend DN ig
which is a bad situation to begin with
bronze dune
yeah sick, ill work on it
oak tangle
if you letting rupture / garrote drop, and you can't keep up envenom, you should practice pandemic timers
there is so much wiggle room you just need a bit of planning
bronze dune
yeah im pretty sure its because i dont pool properly at the start of the fight
and when i try to start pooling im already in a shit spot
so im playing catch up the whole fight
lament stump
are u spamming multiple garrote and rupture in opening for ST ?
oak tangle
the way i have been treating it. spend freely in cd's otherwise wait for 50% energy or <1 s on envenom
bronze dune
yeah i havnt been stopping even once DM runs out, i just pump til 0 energy and realise im fucked haha
tunnel vision
oak tangle
it's hard to get used to, other specs go by the always be casting, but we are gated by energy
bronze dune
ive been doing fine in raid with it, its just m+ is so fast with the adds, i need to slow down in boss fights
bronze dune
yeah ive got a weakaura to remind me lol
oak tangle
i do too, i just not used to it, because I rarely played with it
half raven
Anyone have an issue with randomly unstealthing?
oak tangle
randomly no
winged gust
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
latent badger
Anyone have an issue with randomly unstealthing?
in pvp with deathstalker yeah, but no otherwise
tawdry sedge
can we use oils instead of stones? if yes which oils
bronze dune
can we use oils instead of stones? if yes which oils
mana oil
half raven
in pvp with deathstalker yeah, but no otherwise
For some reason its happening in pve with deathstalker for me
No debuffs/dots
Just randomly exiting stealth
pseudo osprey
Does someone have a good assa video guide ? For m+
winged gust
oh gosh ive fucked something up to the point i cant even see my combo points anymore
runic hinge
Does someone have a good assa video guide ? For m+
upper patrol
For some reason its happening in pve with deathstalker for me
Happens in mist of tirna alot, idk if you just played that
severe sparrow
upper patrol
Have to stealth after tank pull pack xD
fleet pagoda
last boss as melee 
runic hinge
just stay back a bit while your tank gets aggro and just wait and you don't get unstealthed
upper patrol
Yes, the mechanic that reveals the enemies, also break stealth:)
runic hinge
last boss as melee <:pepechortle:789667791766683718>
actual worst
why is so huge and i have to be inside it
half raven
Happens in mist of tirna alot, idk if you just played that
Yeah it was mists 😮
surreal wedge
what's the desire for this macro? what are you trying to save
Less buttons to press
fleet pagoda
so i got motivated to go fight zekvir on ?? after previous discussions, when he gets to p2 does his web succy change? he keeps pulling me in from behind him and then one shotting me with it
soft surge
!ui
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
glad osprey
Fennveil here
how. Do I improve ?
:(
aw tysm
<3
I’ve been playing assassination for 2 days so I’m no master or anything , but I’m pretty lost with what I should be doing
fleet pagoda
first thing that jumps out is your opener
cunning needle
first thing that jumps out is your opener
join the thread brotherman
we're in for a wild one
fleet pagoda
oh my b missed it. didn't even read after the log post 
alpine oracle
People, beautiful people, do you fight the bosses in m+ above 50% of energy? or
runic hinge
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom
- For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
cunning needle
!wa
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
alpine oracle
Yoo, just saw the changes on rogue , when are they applying that?
rotund oak
on reset friend
shadow patio
tough geyser
Def a buff lol
worldly nebula
!bugs
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue
lunar mango
My understanding is it's mostly a buff to single target with the tuning meant to not effect aoe
fallen arch
waxen oyster
Sometimes i wonder if people bother to read what spatter is
cunning needle
bro people don't read pins
oak eagle
doubtful
cunning needle
you think they're reading an ability?
cunning needle
oak eagle
yeah im pretty dumb ngl
oak eagle
not as dumb as me tho
oak eagle
same here
i used to have JPCs WA
that would glow when you needed to press shiv
wish I had that still
but i accidentally deleted it
when i went through all my WAs just before TWW dropped, and cleared most of em out
waxen oyster
sometimes
cunning needle
i just stole whispyrs one
waxen oyster
i get myself stuck mid gcd
cunning needle
his glows
waxen oyster
and miss a second
oak eagle
on his Afener edit?
cunning needle
ye
oak eagle
how have i not noticed this
latent badger
but i accidentally deleted it
trigger > aura > target > debuff > kingsbane > remaining time <=8
then put that on yr shiv
tawny geyser
Just use older version of Kingsbane Timeline WA
hot fulcrum
bro people don't read pins
Pins is a 1st what I check when go into this channel. And it's always some kind of happiness to see a small red circle on an icon 
bcz there are some news waiting for mme)
waxen oyster
Pins is a 1st what I check when go into this channel. And it's always some kind ...
pins and search feature
tbh
rotund oak
@balmy condor sry for the tag but dont remove the yapping man,we like rogue yapping
gr8 vid btw 👌
rotund oak
YAS
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> sry for the tag but dont remove the yapping man,we like ro...
what thumbnail did you get
out of curiosity
waxen thunder
xal feet
balmy condor
glad osprey
they pretty much buffed everything tho
rotund oak
out of curiosity
eh wdym by thumbnail man,im lost my nails are proper in length and clean
glad osprey
and when you buff everything nothing gets rlly buffed we’ll have to see how it plays out
balmy condor
eh wdym by thumbnail man,im lost <:starege:923197272064426075> my nails are prop...
you get one of the three
and youtube keeps the best
so we shall see if feet = clicks
rotund oak
oh hold,didnt even see,where do i get to chose
waxen thunder
So im digging into logs, and I see most people are playing the IG/SS build as opposed to improved poisons and dashing scoundrel. For me, they sim basically equal, sub 1k DPS difference. Is there a reason to move to the IG/SS build, does it just perform better in real scenarios?
balmy condor
oh hold,didnt even see,where do i get to chose
you don't
youtube just throws one in your face
oak eagle
oh hold,didnt even see,where do i get to chose
yt picks for you
just find his video again
and then youll see which one you got
balmy condor
So im digging into logs, and I see most people are playing the IG/SS build as op...
because of the vanish/mark bug thing imp gar has been looking better for some people
rotund oak
youtube just throws one in your face
the 2nd one
waxen thunder
and they're all basically equal
Thats kinda what I thought as well. So ill just stick with the comfier one, because doesnt IP/DS pull ahead if that bug is fixed?
rotund oak
and they're all basically equal
i do like the 3rd one more though 😂
moo deng hippo hype is real though
balmy condor
Thats kinda what I thought as well. So ill just stick with the comfier one, beca...
Yep
balmy condor
do you know if plague damage is increased by our shiv?
Yep
Anything with a nature damage component
So plague/cosmic are both part nature
So our shiv buffs
oak eagle
I figured as much, but you know Blizzard, small indie company
oak eagle
dw i love all the work you do for us during beta and such
balmy condor
But like what can you do
dry terrace
returning rogue player. was look at the stat distribution for assa and i surprised how low prio haste has become. i remember for poison builds one would go for crit, but then for bleed builds it would always be haste mastery. are we speccing out of haste because of poison vs bleeds or has the spec just changed and benefits less from haste now?
balmy condor
Haste isn’t low prio
But crit gives more cp and mastery is good
For aoe at least
In aoe you don’t need haste cause you have energy
oak eagle
Sin likes all stats kinda equally, right?
waxen oyster
When was assa haste mastery
balmy condor
Sin likes all stats kinda equally, right?
Yeah
waxen oyster
besides haste corruption memes in nyalotha
oak eagle
When was assa haste mastery
ik in BFA when you played Bleed build in Nyalotha
balmy condor
besides haste corruption memes in nyalotha
Never but that’s what I assumed with “returning”
waxen oyster
Yeah that tier was beyond dumb ngl
twin hull
what what explain explain
oak eagle
yeah it was
waxen oyster
i could have sworn it was crit haste in bfa
oak eagle
but i liked that bleed build tbh
balmy condor
Infinitely spawning bfa rogues
oak eagle
thats when I was a Sin 1 trick
loud light
it was haste until your exsang'd bleeds were ticking a trillion times a second
keen spruce
@balmy condor
dry terrace
haha thanks for the comments 🙂
keen spruce
🐾
oak eagle
gud thumbnail
which one did you get? there was 3 he put out
keen spruce
ye
balmy condor
Pog
waxen oyster
ngl nyalotha was such a bad tier
couldnt take it seriously
came back last 3 weeks to get the mythic mount
waxen oyster
s2 was the strongest raid in bfa
oak eagle
i also liked Eternal Palace
waxen oyster
Ok tier
my guild died to classic andys
Why is it always the weakest link players
who drool over classic wow
oak eagle
because the game was simple asf
waxen oyster
ngl i played it for a tiny bit periodically
1v3ed people in open world
in blue gear
…..
oak eagle
i played SoD at the end of Fyrakk tier because raid logging, keys werent fun for me that season
SoD was a decent amount of fun
olive crater
Someone can wispme for a doubt of single target rotation? I don't understan how my dos is ti low 😦
balmy condor
We had a classic guy trial and offer to play whatever was needed
Grey parses was weird and got the boot shortly after
Was a strange dude
oak eagle
weirdge
oak eagle
im gonna be honest, im pretty ass at this game ngl
balmy condor
Yeah
waxen oyster
in skill level
waxen oyster
tank is seemingly
the one exception i see to that
usually
also usually moreso at expac launches
balmy condor
Nah
Expac launch is still 2 char for me
You link your last tier main
And your new main if it has logs
If you show up with abberus logs on enhance and then amirdrassil on rogue and then now you’re playing a dk
Get out
glad osprey
If an app shows up and they list more than 2 characters
I relate tbh, I usually only fixate on 2 characters at once, and anymore than that (unless if you have an absolute insane amount of time to dedicate to the game) is a little sus
but mind you some specs have barely changed across expansions and you usually keep it
balmy condor
Yeh I mean someone has to be REALLY good to compete with our roster of one tricks
timid vale
the only reason i have more than 2 toons is for professions
balmy condor
You got me, a ret, a feral, a mage content creator, two hunter one tricks
glad osprey
I love feral
timid vale
wish they would fix that too, let me learn more than 2
balmy condor
Would wreck the economy I think
balmy condor
Like if you could have say 5
toxic burrow
Let's go, FFxiv style. Learn all of the professions and shuffle like a mega goblin.
timid vale
i mean, its already killed
timid vale
The economy is already destroyed
this
glad osprey
big time
timid vale
whats the difference of me having to spend 20 seconds to log on another toon
balmy condor
Every profession has stuff that’s worth
glad osprey
it’s not professions that would kill it, it’s the decades of gold selling
balmy condor
What
balmy condor
whats the difference of me having to spend 20 seconds to log on another toon
Barrier to entry mostly
timid vale
i guess, but that barrier can be solved by a swipe of a card too
glad osprey
people taking advantage of bugs during expansion launches etc . , making a ton of gold via multi boxing and then selling it for usd
this only exists because people are willing to spend irl money on it
so the economy is stupid inflated
balmy condor
How much do you think that actually pumps into the economy
cunning needle
the game is still paying for WoD garrisons
glad osprey
I’m ngl, I’d say 80% and only because I firmly believe that the top 1% own probably 90% of the gold
balmy condor
Yeah you’re insane for that
timid vale
"lets make another gold sink"
glad osprey
when they opened the auction house to be across all realms it only exacerbated it as well
balmy condor
The top 1% own 90% of the gold but the top like 100 guilds have to do endless sales to fund raiding and that money comes from random nobodies
So who has the money
The nobodies or the guilds doing perma sales
timid vale
when they opened the auction house to be across all realms it only exacerbated i...
its even worse now with warbands tbh
waxen oyster
was it legion wqs
timid vale
ive been arbing between battlegroups 🙂
waxen oyster
or the mission table
balmy condor
Both
glad osprey
The top 1% own 90% of the gold but the top like 100 guilds have to do endless sa...
ye and then there’s the insane multi boxers in India who own hundreds of accounts across a decade working to consistently inflate the economy
waxen oyster
i dont even remember legion wqs being that insane
balmy condor
ye and then there’s the insane multi boxers in India who own hundreds of account...
Okay now you’re actually just chugging koolaid LMAO
glad osprey
there’s literally videos of it
cunning needle
they are in SEA and china
waxen oyster
But yeah i dont trust when people claim they can play more than 2-3 classes competitively usually
veey rarely it happens
timid vale
But yeah i dont trust when people claim they can play more than 2-3 classes comp...
depends on classes imo
glad osprey
and like, people from these countries can make a living off of doing stuff like this
hence why they do it
waxen oyster
they are in SEA and china
guildies used to joke rl was chinese sweatshop owner when he cut break short by 5 minutes
once
cunning needle
guildies used to joke rl was chinese sweatshop owner when he cut break short by ...
Glory to the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY干得好 we are declare war for indonesian 你被中共开除出党 are gold bots 中华business thievs中华. 公开处决 DO NOT buying glod from indonsia. you have been warninged 中华人民共和国
cutting break short by 5 mins though
kinda yikes
glad osprey
and to believe this doesn’t exist is v wrong bcuz all you have to do is search up “wow gold” online and you’ll see the hundreds of shops
waxen oyster
it was actual circumstances
glad osprey
it’s absurd
waxen oyster
just got memed
glad osprey
and terrible
waxen oyster
and only once
balmy condor
and to believe this doesn’t exist is v wrong bcuz all you have to do is search u...
You realize a lot of these are just the same shop with different webpages to try and monopolize and drive SEO right
glad osprey
You realize a lot of these are just the same shop with different webpages to try...
probably yeah, I’m not denying it
timid vale
You realize a lot of these are just the same shop with different webpages to try...
or they just buy it from someone cheaper, dropshipping gold
balmy condor
glad osprey
but it’s definitely one of the 289383 reasons the economy is horrid rn
balmy condor
Aight y’all are cooked fr
blazing jewel
<:ICANT:1063885246145245227>
whisp I saw your guide on bigcheats.net and it said to take 2 charges of vanish for st?
glad osprey
Aight y’all are cooked fr
wdym
balmy condor
Secret underground Indian stock market of North American world of Warcraft gold
glad osprey
I’m not saying it’s just India either, it’s China, Russia, etc.
timid vale
Secret underground Indian stock market of North American world of Warcraft gold
i heard pokemon cards are actually the currency that runs the world
balmy condor
i heard pokemon cards are actually the currency that runs the world
Those damned card collectors and suspiciously wealthy furries own all sweatshops generating all the wow gold
glad osprey
haven’t you ever seen this? like
timid vale
Those damned card collectors and suspiciously wealthy furries own all sweatshops...
you had me at wealthy furries
glad osprey
its been around since vanilla
balmy condor
haven’t you ever seen this? like
I’ve seen it I think you’re just very ignorant to how much gold selling actually impacts the economy
glad osprey
and to say the wow economy is doing great rn is also kinda .. a take LOL
balmy condor
Who said that
glad osprey
you said it was doing well, no?
glad osprey
yeah fair
balmy condor
But it’s not like fundamentally broken