assassination

[royal lantern]

uing black powder on ST

and any reasonable human would understand

[gentle aurora]

guys sorry this true immunity has blown my mind - do we know if this works on (for example) Ki'katal the Harvester (last boss Ara-Kara) when she does the pully mechanic? I'm just trying to now figure out where I can use this efficiently. There might already be a guide for this?

[royal lantern]

you can just cloak that one regardless

dont need to do anything special

its magic dmg

[gentle aurora]

i c

I thought i'd tested that before but must has mistimed it. if you have any cool use cases for the 1 second immunity pls lmk 🙂

[bold drum]

The true immune stuff works on a bunch of things, another example is siege first boss where you can soak a bomb with the true immune

[gentle aurora]

i've done this many times, but by fluke it appears

[spice surge]

The pull is also like 1s before the damage so you can just step out

[steel ridge]

Is it not? Court looks like a sin fight to me, what gives?

[spice surge]

Its got damage amps with roughly 90s intervals

Really good as sub if you can have cds for em

[arctic tusk]

kinda trolled my dungeon but heres an 11 grim batol

does this look wrong

[dapper valley]

gearing is still so mad expensive..

[arctic tusk]

idk if this one is more accurate

[dapper valley]

noway im not gonna spend

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[left sundial]

Can we cheese boralus last boss circle mechanic with meld?

pre meld ?

[barren yarrow]

Thanks Royal! I went to pins but I’m on mobile so it wasn’t jumping to it idk why lol.

[heavy trail]

all of a sudden i have issues applying runes or wax to my weapons it always wants to put it on the MH lol

[simple void]

Anyone willing to help out looking at my log of the princess fight?
I'm trying to figure out why my deathmark and kingsbane dmg are so much lower compared to other rogues.
https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/1xRna3T87qXgt6Wk/31-Heroic+Nexus-Princess+Ky'veza+-+Kill+(4:19)/Chapeau/standard/character
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1xRna3T87qXgt6Wk#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=45

Also, do you clear the witness on ST?

[chilly mist]

as long as you don't run any points in Vicious venoms, yes

[old obsidian]

@balmy condor Thank you very much for all your work and guides: I will always be your disciple (?)

[tired gull]

Guys I haven’t gotten gear from raid since week 1, it’s nearly my 13th reason

I would have been able to finally get 4p but I tied the roll with someone else on ansurek and the game gave it to him

[crisp pine]

I have one set piece

(1)

[whole snow]

How far behind is fate bound

[tropic tundra]

sim can give you the most accurate answer but i think all logs being deathstalker 100% is enough

[novel moss]

You've had 2 cata charges, 1 free token from queen quest so idk?

thats at least 3 set for free

bad rng on vault?

[iron valve]

from a brief look:

• in first deathmark, you used an envenom once at at 3pc and let rupture drop for a couple seconds
  • looks like throughout the fight there were a couple envenoms with rupture not up / rupture about to drop
• could probably use tea more during CDs, last two teas were just sent bare at the end of the fight
• second kingsbane looks fucked, probably during movement, barely cast anything during
• if you're comparing to other parses, check if they're running imp garrote - that would effect DM damage a lot
• if you're running vicious venoms, I don't think you ever need to FoK - and two casts say they hit nothing according to the analyzer

[rose wharf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal iron]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[simple void]

Thanks for your review!
I saw that I had 99% uptime on garrote and 97% on rupture, of course I should aim for a 100% uptime.
Other parses were indeed running imp garrote, didn't anticipate that would nearly double dmg on deathmark.
I also notice I'm missing quite a lot of mastery compared to top logs.

[orchid wind]

do we take atrophobic poison in +12 keys ?

[limber lion]

You can

Doesn't honestly make much of a difference

Numbing is pretty good for tank survivability

[fast mural]

• elusiveness

[orchid wind]

i mean 3% DR gonna make a diff on bosses right?

[limber lion]

How does elusiveness help the tank? lol

[limber lion]

Yeah it's okay, but it won't necessarily work on everything

Environment damage still goes through and isn't affected

[tired gull]

Yeah, I’m still holding onto a charge until I get my third. I had normal tier helm, and got heroic helm from vault with absolute shitter alternatives

[pure moth]

you also held your 2nd DM/ cd combo for almost 15 seconds which means you didnt get another cast for your kill time. Make sure you pop things on cd. You lost an entire cd window at the end

[undone eagle]

So guys when doing ST boss raid and i wanna play around sanguine blades, do i always maintain envenom and wait for last sec to have that 50%+ > energy uptime?

[scenic nacelle]

you just dont play around sanguine in ST build

[subtle tundra]

Someone do command

[undone eagle]

So I just set up my cds and maintain envenom then?

[subtle tundra]

În st build you don't want to be above 50% if sanguine

[scenic nacelle]

stay under 50% energy and chain envenom

[undone eagle]

wait did i misread the talent?

[subtle tundra]

No

[scenic nacelle]

we dont take sanguine in ST

[undone eagle]

ok i see

[subtle tundra]

You read it correct

[undone eagle]

so i wanna be under 50% to avoid getting extra energy taken yea?

[subtle tundra]

Energy is more important than minmaxing the talents value

[undone eagle]

the hell am i doing wrong then, i sit around 700-800k only on hc ansurek lol

during p2 etc

[scenic nacelle]

if you do ever run into the issue where you cant chain envenoms effectively then you start pooling

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[undone eagle]

usually i wanna maintain garrote rupture timings on a good envenom shiv kingsblade spam with tea

oh fuck , do i prefer vicious venom for ansurek?

i do the custic spatter one

at this case i should just remove SB from ansurek and go for the vicious venom x1 @scenic nacelle right?

[spring moat]

Hero/mythic level skardyns still evades me. If I get one more cloak…

[scenic nacelle]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhZmxyMAAAAAAMbwyMAAAAAA022MzwDMzYMzMLz2MjxMYYmZGzsZbMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

This is our ST build

you just take Spatter if theres passive cleave

[undone eagle]

Oh I copied the previous ST from wowhead

looked like that

[lost summit]

What is the splash range on aoe blind?

[scenic nacelle]

that looks right

[undone eagle]

copied yours now ty

[scenic nacelle]

Just change Internal Bleeding to Spatter for Queen

[undone eagle]

So like this then yea?

Okay so somehow my improved garrote & shrouded suffocation was in the import when i imported it 2-3 weeks after ww launch so i guess that was changed later on

for ST deathstalker

[slate crown]

Well

It's all really close

For some people either can sim higher/lower

They're close enough (imp garrote vs not) to the point where it can be based on preference, if you don't like managing imp garrote, don't take it

If you do, then take it

[undone eagle]

Lissona my problem was i was playing with sanguine the entire time through raids when i didnt know it should have been removed xD

especially ST

its like a wasted talent in my case but yeah problem solved thanks

[slate crown]

My comments also apply to sanguine, sanguine was also up there in the list of like 8 builds that are all very close

[undone eagle]

since 95% of the fight im most likely below 50%

[slate crown]

either way

[slate crown]

This is still good

[undone eagle]

Gotta make a list for each boss i guess 😄

[slate crown]

If you want

Or just don't, and push buttons, it's all fine

[undone eagle]

for ansurek i wanna spam ST and just add that spatter and we good to go

[slate crown]

yup

[undone eagle]

usually i just straight away imported the raid AoE & st deathstalker build fromo wowhead and used it on all bosses

but i need to mix some things up now, brb

re-do talents

btw

Does this procc our tier set more often?

to apply vile tinc

[iron valve]

why would it

[undone eagle]

Oh nvm i read it wrong 😂 weapon poison

mb

[midnight atlas]

i cba and go no garrote st build, it cranks

[limber lion]

nty

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

i go garrote st build cause i like the vanish garrote gives me some dopamine

almost nothing in assa gives me dopamine so i cant remove the little there is

[wild hound]

I like it cause it makes the opener buttery smooth, ambush + garrote is guaranteed 5+CP that way

Without it sometimes you only have 4, and then you're sad

[mild moon]

so obviously better to not mess up the rotation and get to that point, but if you're at full CP with darkest night in aoe and do not have spatter up, is it better to mut and overcap CP or just send the envenom without spatter?

[subtle tundra]

i am sad regardless

[wild hound]

😦

Do you have 20 skardyns vests in your bag but no trinket? That's sadness

[limber lion]

Just mutilate for the spatter

But yeah, like you said that shouldn't really happen

[mild moon]

figured, just making sure I wasnt doing something dumb

[limber lion]

Should try to avoid that happening by using Mutilate before you get to that point

[mild moon]

well besides getting in that situation occassionally lol

[limber lion]

But yeah :p

[tawny geyser]

Difference between Whetstone and Weightstone?
Can't we use Weightstone? Its cheaper and can be used on 636...

[limber lion]

No

It's only used on blunt weapons

We need to use Whetstone because we use daggers

[tawny geyser]

Ah yea misread that one...what about Buzzing Rune?

[limber lion]

Just use Wax + Algari Oil

[limber lion]

Buzzing Rune?

The rune from Dragonflight?

I mean it's fine but it's old content

[tawny geyser]

I mean yeah, gives 310 crit - Oil gives 211 crit + haste.
I know crit+haste gives more ofc...

[limber lion]

Yeh runes are fine

[tawny geyser]

or hissing rune with mastery might be even better i guess

[subtle tundra]

oils are very cheap so

i wouldnt play runes

[valid leaf]

Alo assa

Do you track deathstalkers and reapply it on packs or purely on the opener?

Thats in advance

[sharp viper]

you use darknest night to reapply it

[valid leaf]

Pog

[nimble ether]

I love assy wogue

[valid leaf]

Thanks

[rancid trout]

Hello everyone, I am having dps issues with big pulls 7 or more targets, how many garrote/rupture should I set up at the opener? I think I am spending a lot of time trying to set up bleeds that I miss my mark/kingsbane windows, so how do you normally do with bigger pulls?

[noble pollen]

What about the tier set buff

[torn shadow]

A few days back people were talking about a UI from one of the WF streamers i think? You have to like sub to him and then get it from his discord, I'm trying to rack my brain on who it was but I just can't remember

[worldly sail]

pressing rupture twice on opening should be enough, getting it on 5-6 targets for energy and the agility buff

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#ramping-deathstalker-aoe

basically following this

[undone eagle]

so playing without garrote on st , i just wanna vanish to gain the guarantee 3 cp from ambush?

[rancid trout]

Also with Indiscriminate carnage you just focus on one target to keep distributing bleeds? Or do target switching? Then coming back to the priority target?

[keen nacelle]

Have anyone done "let me solo her" as Assasination?

[balmy condor]

Naowh?

[errant mauve]

Do we reapply darkest night every pack in M+? I’ve noticed sometimes in M+ it’s not up and I already opened with garrote like a fool

[balmy condor]

Without imp gar you don’t vanish

[worldly sail]

both are ok i've heard, i like to sometimes mousover to distribute bleeds to 6 but i feel like just targetting the prio target is enough

[undone eagle]

yea was just curious if u wanna hit ambush for the 3 cp

[worldly sail]

i'm not a good sin rogue yet though if you want giga answers you ask whispyr and he will know

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[worldly sail]

oh theres a command for it

[balmy condor]

No

Mutilate is better than ambush

[nimble ether]

Holy shid you’re the person who writes the wow head page

Thanks a ton

I love assy wogue

[noble pollen]

Legend

[undone eagle]

what flask u guys pref? chaos / aggression / mastery? 😛

[coral ibex]

could be naowh, atrocity, fragnance

[woven shore]

Whispyr how do i spec into m+ aoe with double vanish ?

[rancid trout]

Another question is what about pulls when we have no carnage opener? Is there a magic number on how many bleeds we need to set up?, it is 5 between ruptures and garrotes?

[frozen iris]

I believe its just till energy isnt a problem

[rancid trout]

To move to our cooldowns

[subtle tundra]

you dont naked garrote in aoe
you want 5 ruptures

probably want 1 garrote on main target with deathmark

[rancid trout]

Nice I was doing that wrong, thanks!

[royal lantern]

wait, wax is good again?

[fickle elm]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spice spire]

It’s fine

[royal lantern]

did they also fix the bugs, or is it still "gone" when you die or stuff like that

[spice spire]

They fixed some bugs

[hard river]

think it is fully functional except it still doesnt stack

[winter cobalt]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[hard river]

outlaw channel would not have the attention span for this wall of text command

[spice spire]

Last six words were unnecessary big dog

[hard river]

true

[bleak sun]

Anyone having Issues with the blue dot on zekvir?? This guy is killing me for like 1hr

[soft surge]

any sims out

@balmy condor i want to apoligize for my outburst yday. im dealing with some shit > https://imgur.com/s7dx8qL

no drop

dont dude

i think i have everything else in there with a socket

pretty sure my toons bugged

[dawn heath]

sims updated yet?

[sullen zephyr]

whats the verdict on these changes, buff or nerf?

[soft surge]

buff

[dawn heath]

buff nerf

[royal lantern]

oh cool

sold my 2 stacks, so gotta do some pickpocketing before raid tomorrow then

[dawn heath]

figure we will do less overall dps in a key but the key will still be faster

[royal lantern]

why should more dmg reult in less dmg

[dawn heath]

st can be ourr bottleneck

[soft surge]

we will pump on bosses in keys

[soft surge]

yea

especially like 1st boss mists in 11-12 etc keys

[dawn heath]

yup

idk

[soft surge]

cds are fucky already for us there

[dawn heath]

its kinda sad

[candid hull]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[royal lantern]

guys

like

you realise that doing more dmg with poisons

results in spatter doing more dmg aswell

right?

[soft surge]

everyone knows its a buff

only memers and trolls say otherwise

[royal lantern]

"buff ST and nerf spatter %" is literally what they need to do if they wanna buff anything that does poison dmg

[royal lantern]

you dont know how hard it is to tell if somebody genuinely doesnt know, is trolling or just stupid

[coral ibex]

"guys i see wowhead write nerf for caustic splatter is gg???"

[soft surge]

ig cause caustic dmg does alot of dmg in keys and they see nerf and doom out

once u do the higher keys and especially raid we are super mid in ST

[rancid trout]

Does these ruptures need to be 5 combo points ruptures? Or they could be shorter if the pull is dying quick

[soft surge]

but theres also a valid doom where people could think that blizz knows rogue have 3 specs and if they nerf one we can just play another

i dont wanna play sub or outlaw

[dusty zenith]

Anyone else running vv ?

[limber lion]

Nope

[soft surge]

what is vv

[limber lion]

vicious venoms

[dusty zenith]

been using fuu’s single target build with master assassin and it pumps

[soft surge]

link

[dusty zenith]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[robust slate]

guys is shadow-binding ritual knife sim bait or op

[soft surge]

pumps in sims from last i saw

[dusty zenith]

In that spreadsheet

[limber lion]

very good

[soft surge]

its big

[dusty zenith]

Knife is good

[limber lion]

But you cannot get it at the highest ilvl

[robust slate]

its out performing 626 sac brood at 619

[limber lion]

Makes sense

[soft surge]

knife and skardyns will sim highest

a 619 knife

[robust slate]

yah i got 619 knife

20 gbs and no grace tho :<

[royal lantern]

619 is also it peak

knife peaked at highschool fr

[limber lion]

Skardyn's and Mandate will sim the highest

[soft surge]

iv done close to 40 @robust slate

[limber lion]

But yeah

[heavy trail]

So far I got a wax candle and the trinket from dawnbreaker at champion.

[robust slate]

im so sorry

ahahah

[dusty zenith]

I got knife, sac, void, and arsenal all hero track and they all sim so close to each other

[royal lantern]

btw, it works like this

do 41 runs and dont drop it

reset happens

[soft surge]

i did 20 runs before last reset

[robust slate]

wtf

[strange python]

Where do you see master assassin in the build

[robust slate]

they should add 639 knife

[soft surge]

tbh u should be able to buy trinkets with a currency

just trinkets

[dusty zenith]

He must have updated the sheet

Was when expansion launched 1 week or so

[soft surge]

mandate good in M+/dungeon slice?

[limber lion]

Expansion launched like over a month ago

And MA was never there

[dusty zenith]

Ya it was

That’s where I got it lol

[limber lion]

oki

The Fatebound one uses it

[dusty zenith]

Lemme see if I can find it I’m not at my oc

Pc

[dawn heath]

bro's picked 2 vault and has both trinkets in myth track

[limber lion]

You just probably looked at Fatebound talents

and used those for Deathstalker

or whatever

[royal lantern]

bro also has a 606 neck

[dawn heath]

id take that any day

for those trinkets

[royal lantern]

tbh

our ww monk got the bigboi haste raid neck

which is giga for them

[snow kindle]

do we still FOK during execute when we have the proc

[royal lantern]

(its funny how WW is now a haste lover)

[dusty zenith]

It would have changed me to fate bound when I imported it

So it had to be on deathstalker

[limber lion]

idk what to tell you

[soft surge]

is there a fatebound M+ build thats decent

[limber lion]

but ma has been shit day 1

and literally unusable on deathstalker

[soft surge]

might be fun to mix it up in lower keys aka farming gb prison

[limber lion]

maybe you didn't import it and put the nodes in yourself

[dusty zenith]

Na i don’t do that

[limber lion]

Well doesn't matter anyways

[dusty zenith]

I questioned it because during those 3 seconds I’m garroting and rupturing so it’s not like ma is doing anything

Vv is dogshit

Ma kinda dogshit?

[spring sigil]

Daft queestion

I have 2 Blood kissed Kukri

one 619 one 613

i know icy veins says use as offhand

but should i just upgrade my 619 and use as my main

[dusty zenith]

Yes

[spring sigil]

Didn't know whether to save for 90 enchanted crests

and omen craft a weapon

[subtle tundra]

if youre gonna craft weapon you dont want to upgrade the second dagger

[spring sigil]

Would you recommend omen crafting a mainhand?

[subtle tundra]

yes

636

[spring sigil]

okay, ill save them in that case

one last daft question

got 31% crit, 8% haste, and 38% mastery. Got 6 jewel slots to fill, how would you recommend balancing them out 🙂

[subtle tundra]

I'd recommend simming

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spring sigil]

how would i sim that exactly?

[subtle tundra]

Select some gems and press sim

[spring sigil]

Ahhhh sick

running now

mastery haste!

[lean nimbus]

In M+ / trash situations, should i be applying envenom whenever i have 5+ points to spend (providing other dots are up?) Or should I wait for it to tick down to 1s? I was just in an M+ with another ass rogue who had about 1.5x more envenom casts than me and his DPS was noticeably higher. Trying to figure out why.

[fleet pagoda]

yeah you want to build and send those asap. no need to manage energy in aoe

when bleeds are up*

[lean nimbus]

Okay. Cool. So just go nuts with it, providing nothing is higher prio.

[royal lantern]

in aoe you have infinte energy, no need to wait

[fleet pagoda]

yah

[lean nimbus]

Thank you.

[fossil kestrel]

any macro for crimson vial?

[normal mist]

yes

/cast Crimson Vial

[quasi stump]

Did we get our bugs fixed yet

[normal mist]

which ones

[terse orchid]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged gust]

lmao is it normal to be at like 400k dps in normal dungeons at ilevel 565 i feel like thats low as shit

[bitter solar]

That's normal for that ilvl i want to say, plus mobs probably aren't living long enough for your bleeds to do shit.

[terse orchid]

Normal dungeons are a terrible environment for sin, everything dies instantly

[winged gust]

good point

[limpid hearth]

But also normals are impossible to evaluate

[balmy condor]

The student has not surpassed the master yet

(I kinda suck)

[fallen arch]

Guide writer can’t even get 1st smh

[quasi stump]

The ones in the pin

[royal lantern]

washed up fr

[fallen arch]

Ikr

[subtle tundra]

how can he be washed up

he never was 1st

this is very stronk from him

[balmy condor]

I’m ramping though

[subtle tundra]

🤯

[balmy condor]

Bro is off the board

[subtle tundra]

youre infinitly better

[runic hinge]

Good morning team

It has been 1 (one) day since our last slow mode. Keep up the good work!!

[fossil kestrel]

can it be casted with something? like garrote?

[runic hinge]

No. It is on the gcd

[balmy condor]

Why are we macroing defensives

[blazing jewel]

Healing parse hello?

[crisp pine]

Macro my feint to the spell the mob is casting

[iron valve]

we can macro feint to mutilate next patch 🙂

[crisp pine]

huge

[iron valve]

finally

[balmy condor]

[crisp pine]

Honestly macro feint to a gearswap with all your avoidance gear

[subtle tundra]

whispyr whats the dps loss to macro feint to mutilate?

[balmy condor]

What an awful day to have eyes

[subtle tundra]

r1 feint uses parse

[balmy condor]

4.5%

Don’t ask me why I know that

[subtle tundra]

ok basically

[balmy condor]

I’m not proud of what I’ve done

[subtle tundra]

negates the buff

[balmy condor]

Yeah

The buff is just feint on cd

[subtle tundra]

noted

[knotty oak]

@balmy condor is echoing rep still bugged with deathstalker?

[balmy condor]

No that got fixed a couple weeks ago

[knotty oak]

okay then ill starrt play assa again 😛

[balmy condor]

Just in time for echoing reprimand rework

[crisp pine]

This mans gonna be devastated when he finds out it's getting removed

[knotty oak]

was playing sub rogue but sub can't really compete in m+ against assa

[winged gust]

hm is fatebound or deathstalker better for m+

[gritty laurel]

whichever one you play better

[winged gust]

issue is ive only played deathstalker, havsnt tried fatebound

[brisk forge]

Try it 😉

[gritty laurel]

it's simpler to play and swings harder with rng, but not by enough to really matter in most situations

[steady marlin]

I liked fatebound but felt lacking on bosses

[winged gust]

looks like the gambler's talent tree to me

[crisp pine]

it is

[winged gust]

nvm it cant be good for me then

[steady marlin]

Would rather just have slightly more difficulty and do better boss dam

[winged gust]

makes sense

[crisp pine]

I'd rather play something with visuals

Like
Any visuals honestly

Give me something

[woven shore]

Soooo

[subtle tundra]

haha!

[woven shore]

Raidbots is saying haste gives me a bigger upgrade

[steady marlin]

Only thing I hate about deathstalker is losing mark to mobs that don’t actually die. Trees in mists come to mind

[woven shore]

Im running like 19% critrate 20% haste and 45% mastery rn

[subtle tundra]

ok?

[woven shore]

You guys similar?

[gritty laurel]

listen to the robot, but also probably wait til sims are updated with tuesday's changes before making big decisions

[subtle tundra]

then get more haste

[winged gust]

lmfao im ngl i still barely know when to use deathmark

[woven shore]

I still see other people just stacking crit

[crisp pine]

man them calling it deathstalkers mark while we have a cd called deathmark was a horrible decision ngl

[subtle tundra]

what does that even mean

[fleet pagoda]

that's their character

[gritty laurel]

i stack ilvl and my crit/mastery ended up being high, don't read too much into it

[fleet pagoda]

raidbots is telling you your guy wants haste

why sim if you don't trust it to begin with

[woven shore]

Alr

Then im good to go

Tomorrow im back home

Time for the gb trinket

[crisp pine]

don't farm it, just get it in vault

ez

[woven shore]

[subtle tundra]

i did both

[woven shore]

Lmfao rip

I would lose it

[fleet pagoda]

i know if i farm the hero track it'll show up as myth track in vault, i ain't fallin for it this time

[woven shore]

Instead i got the third bosses Neck twice in a row

[subtle tundra]

i have 0 rare loot

so yea that balances out

🙂

[woven shore]

Heroic 626 neck

First week with socket

[subtle tundra]

socket only matters on head/waist/wrist

[rose wharf]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[strange python]

plater config please guys ?

with the green bar when cluster is on

[errant mauve]

in ST do we want to stack 3 bonespikes on target? do they even stack for increased dmg and is it worth

[fleet pagoda]

the 3 stacks/charges is a buff on you, meaning however next many ruptures will apply bonespike. it's not a stack on the target

press rupture and pretend sbs doesn't exist

[quasi hill]

Hey, quick sanity check - for m+ I want blessed weapon grip and bracers with dawn thread lining ?!

[deep wave]

if i understand right, there is no added bonus to caustic spatter past proccing it once, besides resetting its timer right?

[eager tree]

cluster?

[fleet pagoda]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[quasi hill]

Ok thx, double barding it is then

[eager tree]

? you want to be envenoming the target that has CS, so dont only switch to it to keep CS up

[spring sigil]

616 itlvl and still cant get rid of my veteran cape xD

[strange python]

cream and tempest sorry i want to see the health bar in green istead of yello to see where it is appyed 🙂

[eager tree]

im following tempest, whats cream

[strange python]

the thing you apply with mutilate

[eager tree]

oh spatter

[strange python]

ah yes sorry

[eager tree]

so you want a health bar that glows green only if crimson tempest and caustic spatter are on the target?

[strange python]

spatter is enough yes

[eager tree]

i think whispyr's does just that

[bleak crag]

Dot everything keep 5 rupture up single target cs target

[eager tree]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[deep wave]

is there any sort of god tier plater setup that people use to be so aware of 5 rupture thing?

[strange python]

thank you 🙂

[deep wave]

like i try my best to keep bleeds on everything but i really just eyeball it

[limber lion]

It's not really a plater thingy

And it's not really a super giga important thing to have exactly 5 at all times

[fleet pagoda]

you could track scent stacks, but you don't really need to bleed everything beyond that and energy generation

[limber lion]

It's fine to run around with more than that or less than that at times

very situational

[limber lion]

Don't wanna multidot stuff that dies instantly

!wa

[strange python]

i have this when trying

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[limber lion]

I just use my plater here ^

[limber lion]

But it does not track Scent stacks

[runic hinge]

you have to import into plater, not weakaura

[deep wave]

basically just bleed everything and then do ST rota on the big mob while swapping mutilate/fok depending on how many mobs are left

sounds good?

[strange python]

ah ok thanks

[fleet pagoda]

that's kind of conditional. think i've personally been losing damage in general from trying to get a few more bleeds out instead of getting into caustic spam as soon as possible, even with fortified active

[deep wave]

yeah but ill learn those intricacies with time

im talking generally

[fleet pagoda]

then yeah, apply your garrotes/ruptures/CT then just yolo caustic envenoms/kb

in the case you're chain pulling and need to transfer ruptures to healthy targets don't overstress about getting 5 up for scent stacks

[limber lion]

Yeah, you can do multidotting later on if mobs survive long enough

But generally setting up all bleeds first, sending cds, then moving on to the next pack is the play

You still want to maintain all bleeds on your main target at all times, even during cds

that includes CT (on AoE that is)

[deep wave]

also, how important is to line up KB with DM?

[limber lion]

Very

You generally want to send KB and DM on cd

[brisk forge]

Can someone link the fate tree?

cant find iut

[deep wave]

thats what i do but i mean if i KB 10s before DM is up, do i lose insane amounts of synergy dps?

[spice spire]

Decent amount yeah

Double poison applications

Kinda biggly

[deep wave]

kk

[dull pulsar]

Hey everyone, quick question regarding Shiv when you use M+ talent (one shiv only)

[limber lion]

Well, KB should never be up before DM anyways

[dull pulsar]

Do you keep one shiv for Kingsbane and the other one just send it on CD ?

[limber lion]

But yeah, you want to sync them and send a cold KB without a DM inbetween

Always

[dull pulsar]

or is it useless to use Shiv on its own ? damage wise

[limber lion]

If you play the build with 1 Shiv and AP, then you just send Shiv on cooldown

If you can line it up to match the last 7s of KB, that's great

But generally you can just use it on cooldown

With 2 Shiv's you always use them with KB

[limber lion]

!fuu has one

[dull pulsar]

Great information thanks, I look at my logs and have very poor shiv usage i keep them too much on CD in M+

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's a very short cd (25s) so it's very safe to just use on cd a lot

[dull pulsar]

About thistle tea, always use one with shiv ? Or how does that work ?

[limber lion]

It's honestly fine not to use it if you don't play AP

But with AP you wanna use it all the time

[limber lion]

I think we have a command for it

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[brisk forge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Nevermind

You use tea with Shiv and only if you get the full energy value from it

And if the tea buff is not already up

But that won't be the case unless you're spamming them

[vale maple]

do you wanna make sure that tea buff covers full kingsbane window? on ST raid boss for instance, do you double tea double shiv the full duration of KB?

[pure raptor]

What do you think of the changes that will come in the next ID? Personally, I have a good feeling about it, thought that if you touch causic spatter the nerf will be more harder. But do you think the change will be noticeable in the St?

[dull pulsar]

So never use tea alone even if you don't have energy ?

[limber lion]

No

[limber lion]

No

[dull pulsar]

Damn thanks bro

[limber lion]

It's fine to do on big packs if you want to do a big AoE pull and send everything

For some meme mastery shenanigans

But generally just use it for energy together with Shiv

[vale maple]

So if I'm ST raid, using both shiv charges to cover full KB duration during my burst window-- best to just use one tea with the second shiv and save other tea for when i need energy?

[spice spire]

New affix

Makes it a little fucky

[limber lion]

No.

[runic hinge]

you're kinda biggly

[weary shoal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[limber lion]

You use one tea in the beginning to get it on cooldown

After that you only use it for energy during Shiv

That's it

There's no KB gameplay tied to tea anymore

[weary shoal]

!upgrade

[limber lion]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[limber lion]

np

[normal mist]

NP

[limber lion]

maybe yeh

[vale maple]

Got it. when playing double shiv, from my memory felt like most shiv charges would be up for KB. is it best to just make sure I have the last 8 seconds covered with shiv, and then use the other shiv on CD with tea?

[slate crown]

While playing with double shiv, just always tie shiv usage to KB

[vale maple]

i've been thinking about both shiv charges as needing to be packaged/up for KB

looks like its just the tea that's a bit decoupled

[slate crown]

By circumstance, then, tea's usage gets tied to kingsbane, but it's only because of shiv, not because of kingsbane

[vale maple]

got it

[limber lion]

Again, tea usage has no correlation with Kingsbane

You tied Shiv and KB together

[astral plover]

in m+ do we CT or env in packs?

[limber lion]

And you tie Shiv with tea together

So there are moments where you use a Shiv, but not KB

but still use a tea

And kb/shiv moments where you don't use tea

because you don't get energy from it

[limber lion]

Always keep CT up

[eager tree]

can you shadowstep queen during wrest and not get eaten?

[deep wave]

does this look normal for m+?

[astral plover]

in m+ do we CT or env in packs?

[limber lion]

Again, always keep CT up

[astral plover]

And

when it is up

[limber lion]

CT does not do any direct damage

[astral plover]

?

[limber lion]

So you do not spam it

You apply it

Then you leave it

You press CT once, then you go back to using Envenom/Rupture/whatever

Then when CT is about to drop, you press it again

Then go back to using Envenom/Rupture/whatever

[eager tree]

CT seems super low, what level key was it

[umbral sequoia]

Where i can find pvp build for assa please ?

[slate crown]

#pvp

These spec channels are mostly pve

[umbral sequoia]

thank you

[undone flame]

We wil first get the sims on Wednesday for the changes right? (I dont know how makeing sims works)

[deep wave]

8 minutes of +6 SV before my dps decided to smash every crystal and make healer rq

[slate crown]

The sim changes are unlikely to change any gearing decisions, what do you need to see in the sims with the changes that you can't see right now?

[astral plover]

ty

[royal iron]

When Im on warcraftlgos and going through my fight, Im on Analyze , timeline and Cast. I can see everyspell I use , but how do I add procs into the timeline ?

[eager tree]

6 is pretty low so hard to know, SV also has mobs that die quickly. 6s also mean the tank is prob pulling bad, the other dps is bad and things are living longer etc. at 10+s its usually CS and CT at the top then envenom and garrote

[bleak ledge]

the number go up without changing anything

[limber lion]

There's no way to add procs there, but you can add procs as an event on top to look at em

You gotta find whatever buff you want (like Blindside), then click this + on the very right side

then it will appear on the top like this

but that's pretty much the only thing you can do

However

If you look at casts > events

you can see all procs that happen there as well as what abilities were used

[grizzled ember]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stable cove]

Fan of knives in 2 target?

[limber lion]

yup

[stable cove]

feelsbadman

[limber lion]

With Thrown Precision

Without it it's 3+

[royal iron]

Thx !

[limber lion]

np

[stable cove]

tyvm kind sir

[limber lion]

np

[spice spire]

There’s also some logic at play.
You can look at bs procs > casts.
Ideally you have 1+blindside procs casts of ambush.
But you can also double check events and make sure that blindside didn’t proc <2s of end if you’re =

Or <2s of phasing etc

[limber lion]

Yup

[misty bough]

Craft waist or wrist? 😛

[limber lion]

Wrist

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[limber lion]

whichever is worse for you

[misty bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=219506/writhing-armor-banding on the wrist with dagger ye?

[iron valve]

can someone link me the tierlist for BIS lunch?

[obtuse latch]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[obtuse latch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[slate crown]

Hmmmm tea

[shut owl]

I've been chugging some weird tea in my cds

[misty bough]

Writhin armorband on wrist or Dawnthread?

[spice spire]

They removed

[shut owl]

its clearly there though. You push tea to garner more energy spending in rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote.

[slate crown]

Huh? I still have mine what happened to yours

Moroes has favorites I guess

[spice spire]

Huh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-camera-shake-gif-21145390

[shut owl]

yes, writhing

[spice spire]

What did you make for your first embellishment

Or if this is your first

What other piece are you going to make

[shut owl]

they said they were making it with the ascension dagger

[limber lion]

I mean tea as a command doesn't exist

that's the restealth command

and stealth has "tea" in it

[spice spire]

I think LE is trolling me

[wary valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[vale maple]

ya'll find yourselves able to keep up with rets/dks in m+ overall?

my gear is pretty ass but I feel 25% weaker than the boys

[misty bough]

I made this dogshit when I had no clue how the crafting worked l0l, probably should have played DF

https://i.imgur.com/PHUeHOd.png there we go, looking crisp

[misty bough]

I avg ~1.2 overall ish

[vale maple]

yeah that's where I'm about at on 11-12 keys

[limber lion]

Yeah that's pretty low

[misty bough]

my ilvl is pretty low

[vale maple]

what's yours? I'm at 614.. but also using mad queens mandate and a 619 dag

[misty bough]

im 616.. Guess I should be pumping more considering I got a 639 dagger

[limber lion]

I'm like 608 and last +8 I did I did like 1.4m

[misty bough]

keys under 10 doesnt count

[limber lion]

lol

[limpid hearth]

Lol

[misty bough]

tank pulls the entire dungeon on those, unfair ;);

[limber lion]

You do more damage in keys higher than 10

[vale maple]

i've had a few NW keys in the 7-10 range where I could get 1.5ish overall

[limber lion]

No, tanks literally don't pull anything on low keys

unless you're doing it with a gigachad premade tank

[vale maple]

but by and large feels around there I'm stuck

chain pulls seem to increase at higher keys

so i'm definitely not adapting well

[misty bough]

if im doing +3 keys ill prob do 2m

sudden demise op

shit just doesnt do much in higher keys

[vale maple]

Jopp what other dps do you run with? how do you do compared to them?

[limber lion]

In lower keys you never get to use a full kb/dm on packs though

so you never get any spatter value

[limpid hearth]

Your prio target living longer is way more important

[vale maple]

the mental bandwidth it takes to execute the full/optimal aoe setup pack by pack is taxing when every swirly is a one shot lol

[misty bough]

Mac I've played with everything

boomies are always on the bottom

[vale maple]

I need to run with more boomies

[misty bough]

they boost your ego

[crisp pine]

Boomie is pretty good actually
If the tank pulls around their cds

[nimble ether]

Boomy in my guild does a Milly deeps

[crisp pine]

personal experience sadly doesn't say a lot about class strength

[vale maple]

this patch will be so nice for prio/boss dam in M+

i feel like an aug evoker on ST in M+

[crisp pine]

I'd say frost dk is the worst spec in the game
Cause every fdk I run with is at the bottom all the time
but in reality they're giga strong

[nimble ether]

Big owlman

[misty bough]

what talents you running? Im using speedoflifes sets

[crisp pine]

I use like
improved garrote and stuff

[misty bough]

I hope you do lol

I gotta get used to playing with elusiveness

[crisp pine]

dw, you can macro feint to mutilate next patch

[gray flower]

is a dungeonslice sim any good for Assassination?

[limpid hearth]

Yes

Rogue peeps upkeep dslice well

[gray flower]

awesome

thanks

[misty bough]

This is what I use in city

[limpid hearth]

Thats just the normal m+ build

[crisp pine]

which gets used in the city (of threads)

tricks is a fake talent tho I swear

[misty bough]

Mist+sieve

[limber lion]

Dropping Iron Wire for IP

troll

Using Improved Ambush instead of Tight Spenders

hmmm

[misty bough]

Im just following rank1 m+ rogue lol

[crisp pine]

Rank 1 hack?
No Iron Wire Hack?
unlimited damage with improved poison hack?

I'm gonna end myself one day

Can some rank 1 player please play subterfuge
without double vanish
just to fuck with people

[misty bough]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Speedoflife?season=season-tww-1&loadout=logged-mplus__17868091

[dawn heath]

can you not cloak the frontal that spawns maggots on first boss in necrotic wake?

[celest mirage]

do you ever re garrote in aoe after they fall off from indiscriminate carnage?

[limber lion]

Use Evasion

[crisp pine]

you can, but only the first second of cloak gives full immunity

[misty bough]

in higher keys yes

[crisp pine]

or use evasion

[limber lion]

Nah gotta use Evasion for it

[crisp pine]

Cloak works

I've cloaked it

[misty bough]

In higher keys

[crisp pine]

mightve been hacking tho

[limber lion]

It doesn't though

[crisp pine]

Ban me

nerd

[limber lion]

can't anymore

[vale maple]

@celest mirage yeah you want to vanish to reapply your dub garrote/ruptures mid pack if you have it up, else you still wanna tab and throw garrote on something if you can

[limber lion]

you're lucky

[dull cloak]

ive always cloaked it and only once i took damage

[upper patrol]

Cloak works perfect fine

[limber lion]

We literally had someone here 2 days ago

[misty bough]

Im saving my vanish for chainpulls

[limber lion]

who posted screenshot of them cloaking

0.9s before the wretch

[quasi stump]

Im still upset they’re nerfing iron wite

[limber lion]

and dying to it

[quasi stump]

Wite

Wire

[limber lion]

explain that nerds

[quasi stump]

The most fun talent in M+

[dull cloak]

skill issue tbh

[quasi stump]

[limber lion]

Ya'll have been getting shields or something from your healers

externals

and not even realizing it

[misty bough]

I want my fucking soothe back from shiv

[limber lion]

but yeah

You just use Evasion on it

[minor finch]

Any tricks for us to get out of blood in ara?

[limber lion]

it dodges the entire ability

[quasi stump]

Nothing soothing about getting shived

[quasi stump]

I mean you just kick the blobs no?

[minor finch]

Yeah I totally knew you could do that

[dull cloak]

Imagine the way to de-enrage something is to shiv it. makes no sense

[vale maple]

chain pulls are such a thing that i've wondered if going a zoldycks build had merit for tyrannical weeks

[dawn heath]

what do u mean only first second?

why?

[quasi stump]

zol dicks

[limpid hearth]

Idk stabbing someone is a pretty good way to stop them from raging

[misty bough]

I want my soothe back

[runic hinge]

you've never been stabbed in the side and been like, "damn maybe i should relax a bit"?

[upper patrol]

First secound is full immunity, rest of duration prevent effects

[vale maple]

cloak immune blightbone spew like a champ

[quasi stump]

My dumb ass shadowstepping into a swirlie because they’re under the bods

[dawn heath]

since when is cloak only immuning damage for one second

[vale maple]

not me mashing shadowstep to catchup to rashashan and running straight off the platform

[dawn heath]

i just assumed it was perma immune to magic

[limpid hearth]

Always

[dim yacht]

dont forget shadowstepping to a bone golem in necro and getting hit by frontal cleave

[limber lion]

HMM?

[misty bough]

Macw what do you sim on a 5min patchwerk?

[vale maple]

lemme see

[crisp pine]

you unironically just made me go to NW
and try and cloak the spew
And you know what?
it worked

[misty bough]

This is what I sim best with on highest PURE ST

[crisp pine]

crazy world we live in

[upper patrol]

Yes and no, depend on ability, think it's spaghetti code

[misty bough]

Didnt they remove soothe from shiv?

[limber lion]

alright let me find the conversation

[limber lion]

no

[crisp pine]

maybe, maybe they disabled it in M+

[misty bough]

atleast from mine

[crisp pine]

But I did it in M0

[dim yacht]

what settings does everyone sim with for m+?

[crisp pine]

and it did work, like I genuinely just did it
I promise I'm not lying
Maybe they changed it for keys
but it did work in M0

[fast mural]

Yo is it worth to run crimson in Ovinax mythic ?

[misty bough]

I didnt remove shit when I was using it in gb T_T

[limber lion]

here

And see

I said you can cloak it too

But then he said you can't

and everyone else said you can't

who to trust

gg

[crisp pine]

How the hell did I just do it then

Like I just
did it

hidden dodge chance?

[misty bough]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2oGaxf8Cm4NKiweptqy2RA

[upper patrol]

That also works lol

[quasi stump]

getting hooked into a frontal in boralus

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly, I was 100% sure you could cloak it as well

that's what I always did

[vale maple]

heres mine https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8vvqTa9QL2KSW5rAj1twee

[limber lion]

but then got gaslight that it can't be cloaked

[dim yacht]

getting hooked into a bomb

i guess i shoulda precloaked

[quasi stump]

In the immortal words of that homeless guy in the final boss

HELP

GET THIS THING OFF MEH

[dim yacht]

mood

[limber lion]

wtf

[dim yacht]

me when i get the dot on last boss every single time

[balmy condor]

I think evasion works?

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iOR5GIXR1CyJ39Bp0/d1337FEqV3TU?invite=cr-MSxISmosMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[limber lion]

myth weapon and myth skardyn

[limber lion]

Yeah you can evasion it

That's what I've been saying

[dawn heath]

i was really suprised

[crisp pine]

I guess there's a chance there was a recent change that makes it uncloakable in M+
but I cloaked it like 2 days ago in M+
and just did it on M0
So if there's not a hidden dodge chance that makes the spew miss
cloaking atleast 100% works in M0

[quasi stump]

At least you get cloak

[misty bough]

I did 1.060m on the hc princess I pugged earlier, 4:30 fight

[limber lion]

Then was told that cloak doesn't work

and now someone's saying that cloak does work

[quasi stump]

As a warrior we dont have shit

[misty bough]

All skill

[limber lion]

You can evasion it for a fact

That's 100% confirmed

idk what the deal with cloak is

[upper patrol]

Cloaking too early

[limber lion]

and oli and varas saying it doesn't work

[dawn heath]

well ye

i had no idea it worked like that

[misty bough]

sim with these talents

CMQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwPzMzMMmxyMAAAAAAMLDWmBAAAAAgsNzM8AzMYmZWmtxYMYmZmZmxMb2GzAsYWGYALBLDTghFD

[vale maple]

ill give it a shot

[upper patrol]

Feint also works, but not good in higher keys

[dawn heath]

i died

through

feint

[vale maple]

imagine not macroing feint to mutilate

[kindred breach]

!plater

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[upper patrol]

12 is higher key i guess

[vale maple]

the gap from 11 to 12 is nuts

don't think i'll bother til i'm 625ish

[misty bough]

I wanna log with fatebound soon and see if i can get a dumb rng kill kekw

[novel moss]

You feint after the cast though from your video

[dawn heath]

well

not the same set

[valid leaf]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[misty bough]

@vale maple did you sim higher with those? I do.

[willow cloud]

It can definitely go through cloak. It seems buggy. Just take evasiveness and you can live.

[crisp pine]

Possible that it's buggy yea
It never went through my cloak but maybe I've been lucky

[misty bough]

Lets make an IMAGE WITH THE IMPORT STRINGS TO MAKE SURE NOBODY CAN COPY THEM

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iORebytpc1-rKCWJb/d13373igboa5?invite=cr-MSw0M3QsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[willow cloud]

It's bullshit that second boss ara kara and charging mobs in stone vault insta hit you if you shadow step. Blizzard not understanding what behind your target should mean.

[limber lion]

? what are you talking about

you literally highlight it and copy

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhZmxyMAAAAAAMbwyMAAAAAA022MzwDMzYMzMLzyMjxMYYmZGzsZbMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

[upper patrol]

It does around 10,5 mil fent is 40% dr your 1 mil short i guess

[misty bough]

cant copy it

[dawn heath]

150k overkill

[limber lion]

literally highlight it

and copy

[bold drum]

the darkmode version is weird

[limber lion]

you press your little mouse

[bold drum]

and you cant do it

[limber lion]

and drag it

!fuui

[bold drum]

it works on the lightmode one

just fine

[limber lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

wtf

why would dark mode be different

[bold drum]

[limber lion]

Oh yeah it is fucked

gg

[novel moss]

You need to play Elusiveness and tbh co-ordinated teams where you can call for externals too also helps

[limber lion]

@vestal wren

[dawn heath]

yy

ijust saw

[limber lion]

Cannot copy import strings from Dark Mode

Only Light Mode

You cannot highlight them

[dawn heath]

vspeed is playing cheat in that udengon

[misty bough]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wEiXYKXWo2GnfXQhLZWgWD my other talent set sims higher >:)

[novel moss]

Speed also have an insane team he plays with that can give externals on command 😛

If youre pugging GL relying on pugs to give you externals when you need em

[vestal wren]

i think its because of google docs

the dark mode imports all strings/etc from light mode

and as such seems to display them diffrent

[ripe nimbus]

yo im betting back into rogue havent really played it since BFA, are there any good like video sources i can watch just play raid/m+?

[vestal wren]

would need to check if there is a easy solution

[misty bough]

Are those talents suppose to sim best or what?

st 5min patch

[limber lion]

Yeah, just a weird bug or permissions thing

Not that big of a deal as long as the light mode works

Just a weird one

[limber lion]

For that particular profile, yes

[upper patrol]

Makes sense it's a decent dungeon for Cheat, not much you can use Elusivness for except less dmg on 3 boss

[misty bough]

CMQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwPzMzMMmxyMAAAAAAMLDWmBAAAAAgsNzM8AzMYmZWmtxYMYmZmZmxMb2GzAsYWGYALBLDTghFD

just sims higher

[limber lion]

why would you link an import string

[limber lion]

I mean I got it from the sim you posted

Now you posted a sim, the import

and a screenshot of the talents in game

lol

[misty bough]

I can't think of what more to post

[crisp pine]

I mean it's fine that it sims higher?

go play it

we won't tell anyone

[misty bough]

I was playing it on princess.

[crisp pine]

good for you then

I'm happy it all worked out

[limber lion]

There is a reason that sims higher

It's related to a bug

[misty bough]

Elaborate

[limber lion]

Just a sec, sim is finishing

[brisk forge]

What is the Fate tree for m+? :S can only find ST

[misty bough]

I dont understand why my logs just got confused

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with the build

[balmy condor]

The same as the deathstalker tree but fatebound

And you take cold blood ofc

Need that cold blood for inevitability

[misty bough]

I just lost half my logs lmfao

Interesting, I just lost all my old logs aswell

[thorn crater]

is fatebound better in any fight/situation? maybe in phased targets or sth where u might lose ur markk?

[limber lion]

Not really, Deathstalker kinda wins everywhere

You can play around the mark so you don't lose it anyways

[novel star]

fatebound is better if you fuck your shit up yeah

[limber lion]

but

don't do that

[novel star]

playing around the mark is hard on some fights so if ur bad gg

they are extremely close in actual numbers

[acoustic roost]

can also play no imp garrote so vanish can be used as an oh i fucked up mark CD

[novel star]

depends on ur character obv but like for me currently ds only wins by 0.6%

if i fuck my mark on like court or queen or something im just losing giga dam over playing the other spec for babies

really its just preference i think

[static geyser]

does dmg on logs show lower because aug?

[novel star]

ya

[limber lion]

just don't fuck it up

🕺

[novel star]

i mean true

[random fossil]

any shadowstep tech for queen pull in?

or just shadowstep to someone and have them deal with damage taken

[tacit otter]

on the other hand, having a nice mark rotation on court just hits diff

[lavish brook]

Anyone have a UI similar to exile?

[limber lion]

That's just Atrocity UI

[shadow patio]

We getting nerfed next week?

[lavish brook]

Thank you!

[limber lion]

Np

[cobalt sphinx]

shadowstep the boss

[misty bough]

It wouldnt make sense after the reports

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-nerub-ar-palace-dps-rankings-the-war-within-season-1-week-3-347348

[cobalt sphinx]

not even kidding

in the intermission

[lavish brook]

!ui

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[woven shore]

Isnt this actually a good ranking?

[novel star]

step boss, on plats step the beam add

[misty bough]

this?

[woven shore]

Almost all classes seem equaly strong

Yes

[misty bough]

4th worst so I wouldnt call it a "Good ranking"

[dim yacht]

anyone managed to step the last boss of dawnbreaker to avoid the damage from the web? so far ive managed to get out of the aoe but still take the damage, and drop the web in the middle of the group (they didnt like that)

[random fossil]

it doesnt insta kill you? good to know

[runic hinge]

Instead of looking at where it’s placed look at the relative dps. Which is fairly close across the board.

[woven shore]

But crazy to see how strong fire apparently is