assassination

[royal lantern]

OR just a simple "kill timer was perfect with CD alingment"

who tf uses archon

[magic ginkgo]

its on the log website

lmao

[static glacier]

id say sim your char for both builds

[grim jay]

oh right

[static glacier]

play w/e sims notably better, if both are similar pick what is comfortable for you

[wise gull]

I mean I did it last week so it's possible that they fixed it but

[tulip tiger]

Hey guys, can you macro thistle tea or no?

[grim jay]

you can but its shit

[wise gull]

Check later and see

[static glacier]

no xd

just send a charge during shiv + kb when you're 200 or lower energy

[wise gull]

Do we still use a tea during DM?

nah right?

[static glacier]

ye

we doi

[royal lantern]

no

you use tea with shiv

not with DM

not with KB

with Shiv

[static glacier]

on pull you do cus 3 charges, after that you can quite easily be under 200 energy under dm shiv and kb

[static glacier]

he didnt ask do we use it with dm, he says during

[royal lantern]

only on pull its with the shiv that is used after DM, cus you have 3 charges to get the CD running

[static glacier]

and yes, we deffo do end up doing it during dm since thats when shiv is up

[royal lantern]

only when it grants energy

that has nothing to do with DM itself

[static glacier]

shiv doesn't exist in a vacuum

the rule could quite easily be you only tea during kb

and it would work

it just wouldn't account as well for builds that run 1 shiv charge

[gritty laurel]

i feel like tying it to shiv mentally helps to adjust to any changes to the spec down the line, but then again those changes could theoretically decouple it from shiv so what do i know

[royal lantern]

the best change would be deleting tea

[static glacier]

tying it to shiv is the best way to define its usage i agree

[royal lantern]

shit ass ability

[lusty mountain]

quick question, if affix desyncs deathmark + skardyn should we wait for deathmark to use skardyns always?

[royal lantern]

classic bait in 2024

[static glacier]

tough q

depends on route / what ur fighting / what you will pull

[lusty mountain]

hmm

[static glacier]

and where the bottleneck for ur key completion is

[lusty mountain]

understandable

okay

many thanks

[static glacier]

so long as holding for skardyns wont lose you a dm use its safe to hold

[wise gull]

And other q is for single shiv builds do we time it for the end of kb? that's what I've been doing

[grim jay]

just use dm if you would usually use DM

done

[wise gull]

only been playing assa in m+ so haven't put as much research as I normally would

[royal lantern]

yes, if you play 1shiv you use it at the 2nd half of KB, and 1x outide of KB when it ready

[wise gull]

gotcha tyty

will probably only be playing assa on kyveza but who knows

[gritty laurel]

sometimes if i know i can squeeze in an extra KB before a boss, i'll shiv first to get the amp on the initial hit on a pack that won't survive the whole KB duration, but that's probably degen thinking

[dusk fox]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[urban moat]

Is it a bug that we don't get Darkest night if a mob dispawn instead of gettink killed ? (Tirna's trees or affix if not killed )

[royal lantern]

well

its technically how its "supposed" to work

cus the marked enemy needs to die

and you dont kill them

😉

yes, its bullshit

[wise gull]

it’s fucking annoying is what it is

[royal lantern]

reason #21235516722 why deathtalker sucks

[wise gull]

3rd boss gb i’m looking at you

[urban moat]

yes ! always need to keep a vanish or make it pop before he leaves

[royal lantern]

"hero tree" that is passive dmg amps, that can be "turned off" cus enemy sdont die and it doesnt reset the mark

10/10 desing

inc: somebody saying "IT SKILL EXPRESSION"

[grim jay]

you just dont blindly mash buttons if you dont have vanish

ez

[copper panther]

Deathmark is so fun and enjoyable yes

[wise gull]

thankfully you pretty much always have one

[novel thunder]

guys i went from, 90 parsing to blue, why do i suck

[copper panther]

Luckily sub plays trickster last 2 bosses so don’t have to play deathstalker 🙂

[wise gull]

it’s never really an issue for me but it’s still annoying because after 25 runs i’m thinking way less

[gritty laurel]

i cba to keep track of all of the "what ifs" of deathstalker, i be flippin coins

[royal lantern]

yeha but then you play sub + trickster

Blackpowder in ST btw

[copper panther]

Trickster is fineee unless you get any mechanic

[gritty laurel]

do i do good damage this pull? depends, do i win the 50/50 for 7% agi on opener?

[copper panther]

Then it’s gg

[grim jay]

trickster is literally the worst tree

idk

[copper panther]

I don’t actually mind it

[royal lantern]

either the biggest chad in the universe, or an actual psycopath that should be on watch

[fallen arch]

Yo hear me out

[royal lantern]

no other option

[copper panther]

It kinda sad if yeah you get forced downtime and you miss 3rd dance in window but otherwise it’s good

[fallen arch]

Consuming darkest night should get the death from above visual

Or something similar

Boom, 4 million crit

[copper panther]

I played trickster for 1st night on princess prog @royal lantern

[grim jay]

you guys are so stuck up on that stupid dfa animation its insane

[copper panther]

I’m a psychopath

[fallen arch]

No just me

[grim jay]

no there are many

that dont see the issues

of that animation

[fallen arch]

Oh I see the issues

[grim jay]

then you are a psychopath aswell

but most people dont

[blazing pumice]

rip dagger thing doesn't work

[grim jay]

it does

you need to relog

[blazing pumice]

o

[fallen arch]

I also see that deathstalker has nothing going for it visually

Missed chance

[blazing pumice]

my username on wow is sapzilla, pls don't report me

[grim jay]

wdym

you dont like

the mark png?

above the mob

[fallen arch]

[copper panther]

The problem with deathstalker is it’s just incredibly boring

[grim jay]

rogue has many missed chances

visually

[fallen arch]

I don’t think so

[grim jay]

idk I like playing it

[fallen arch]

U mean fatebound is

[fallen arch]

Same

[royal lantern]

the 3 great HERO TALENT visuals

purplecross.png

passive trinket effect

whirlwinds "wind effect" slapped on you

[copper panther]

Ive not played fatebound once but yeah that’s worse

[royal lantern]

INSANE

I FEEL SO HEROIC

[grim jay]

if they just add some more QoL to it and maybe animations

[glacial crypt]

You are heroic

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

is the last one trickster?

[royal lantern]

im heroic when we kill rashanan on sunday

[royal lantern]

[glacial crypt]

Just convince your guild to raid tonight

[copper panther]

What’s is enjoyable for deathstalker for you guys? Like I don’t mind playing it but it feels boring to me

[unreal elk]

!talents

[grim jay]

had to ask because I didnt see much of an animation during the few hours I played it

[rotund oak]

[glacial crypt]

We're no longer raiding Fridays now that the initial raid rush is over and I'm crying

What am I supposed to do until Sunday

[rotund oak]

ppl like stealing my names and stuff,find some originally man

[glacial crypt]

Silken can die faster if we raid tonight

[royal lantern]

well

deathstalker is boring

fatebound is boring AND cringe cus its a frking coinflip, and sorry but thats so stupid its incredible

trickster actually makes your gameplay worse

so deathstalker it is

[glacial crypt]

Your name is very original

I definitely didn't think you were someone else before

[grim jay]

big crits are cool and its atleast something to track for m+
cant expect more for a class that has people constantly complaining about how hard it is and how many buttons it has

(gameplay-wise)

[rotund oak]

[gritty laurel]

idk the hardest part of assassination is resisting the urge to slam my face into my keyboard instead of letting envenom duration tick down

[copper panther]

Surely people aren’t complaining about sin being hard I could understand sub maybe

[proper hare]

true and real

[grim jay]

they complain about rogue overall being hard

[copper panther]

Big crits is def valid

[grim jay]

and sin is the hardest of the 3 in m+

to minmax

[rotund oak]

its the outlaw in you trying to manipulate you,find control,find ur balance.Become death

[royal lantern]

dont let #outlaw see that

[gritty laurel]

m+ isn't even hard, just gar+gar, rup+rup, mut, CT then decide if you have enough time before boss to mash cooldowns

[tacit charm]

???

[grim jay]

bro idk how many delusional people I had arguing with me

about how hard fury is

[royal lantern]

aaaaaaaaaaand the first yellow name is here

[grim jay]

eh outlaw I mean

[proper hare]

fury hard

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

I’ve been here

[grim jay]

the vast majority of people cant even track how long they wear their underwear

[proper hare]

4 days is valid, once on both sides and then turn them inside out and repeatr step 1

[copper panther]

Sin in m+ isn’t hard at base value but it is hard to be optimal all the time

[glacial crypt]

Ayo

Change them shits daily

[spice spire]

2 hours, 7 minutes, and 41 seconds and counting

What’s ur point bub

[gritty laurel]

you don't count, you're a professional

[glacial crypt]

This is diabolical

[tacit charm]

oh me play sin, me do same opener every fight, me have no cdr so we dont have to think about when every cooldown is coming up at potentially random times while outlaw has multiple of those while having to maintain RTB and deciding when to reroll when to not

[glacial crypt]

TELL EM

[proper hare]

btw is the echoing eprimand of the gcd whenever next patch comes

[royal lantern]

yellow name detected

[tacit charm]

also other things im not mentioning

but yk go off

[tacit charm]

[royal lantern]

outlaws explaining everyone how they play THE HARDEST THIGN IN THE ENTIRE GAME

[glacial crypt]

This is the best bait I've ever seen

[gritty laurel]

it's the 11.0.5 patch

[glacial crypt]

And if it's serious that's even better

[spice spire]

I will

Little bro learned one rotation and called it a WoW career

[proper hare]

cant wait tbh

[grim jay]

me having to spam keys, me high apm thats totally still not lower than your average 70 yo secretary working a parttime job to fill the gaps on her rent

so hard

[glacial crypt]

LMFAOOOO

HOOK LINE AND SINKER

[harsh anchor]

Why does anyone care how “hard” their favorite spec is

[keen remnant]

I think elementalist enhancement is harder

[proper hare]

idk delusional ego

[spice spire]

I couldn’t care less about difficulty

[copper panther]

Ret is hardest spec

[royal lantern]

it doesnt exist anymore

[copper panther]

Prove me wrong

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[royal lantern]

we cant

the rets in random groups are always dead

clearly they must concentrate really hard on their gameplay

[proper hare]

how rets even die is beyond me

[royal lantern]

and thats why they die all the time

[gritty laurel]

i can't even talk shit on ret, our ret pally puts up some fuckin numbers

[proper hare]

we have one that refuses to bubble himself so that he wouldnt die to a miss position

[spice spire]

Most intelligent Ret player

[proper hare]

based tbh

[tacit charm]

you play sin, you press one button every second, me play outlaw me press 2.42166666667 buttons every second

[grim jay]

imagine

being proud of apm

in a game

thats notoriously slow

[royal lantern]

you outlaw and press 2 buttons every second

i play you and press your buttons :3

[copper panther]

It’s rage bait at this point surely

[proper hare]

surely

[royal lantern]

it is

either rage bait and you laugh

Or real and you laugh aswell

[zinc frost]

I play sin so I can take sips of coffee during my rotation

[grim jay]

hes always defending fury

[worldly sail]

press my buttons

[grim jay]

eh outlaw

[tacit charm]

smh, also pressing more buttons = more damage clearly LOL

[nova aspen]

[cursive flicker]

Are we really arguing that ass is harder than outlaw or is this just a big circle rage bait

[royal lantern]

"difficulty" talk is always stupid

cus like

[copper panther]

Outlaw definitely has merit to its difficulty and so does sin (in keys) but they play very differently and aren’t comparable at all the entire argument is stupid

[royal lantern]

whats the poin

[tacit charm]

I mean its not but yk

[copper panther]

Why are you linking mid asf overall as if it means anything

[royal belfry]

Hi. can someone tell me what is top 3 races for rogue for pve / pvp ?

[tacit charm]

sins easy wdym??

[cursive flicker]

I mean outlaw has a lot more going on, that’s just kinda the facts, everything brothaman has said about ass is pretty true, if exaggerated

[royal lantern]

race doesnt matter

[tacit charm]

dwarf, dwarf, dwarf

[cursive flicker]

And I love ass

[royal lantern]

we all love ass

ass>tits

[harsh anchor]

[tacit charm]

🗣️

[spice spire]

Nah that’s player gap

[proper hare]

dosent matter but orc is noice for racial, go for looks instead

dps diff is in the 1% and dont matter

[spice spire]

Zeross is a fraud. Hate it for him

[cursive flicker]

Night elf or void void elf if you’re ally, troll or orc if you’re horde iirc. Not a huge gain or loss no matter what tho, play whatever girl is the prettiest

[proper hare]

mechagnome male frfr

[grim jay]

its kinda funny how I know some outlaw saying sin is easy aswell

[winged sun]

?!?!?!

[grim jay]

and if he needs to play it

[winged sun]

thats fake i was way ahead

[grim jay]

hes cpt. greenlog

[tacit charm]

I mean it is

[spice spire]

Sorry king - call them as I see them

[nova aspen]

all specs are easy, this is WoW

[grim jay]

yeah for sure

[spice spire]

Military service changed you

You’re on fraud alert

[grim jay]

and outlaw is insanely hard

[nova aspen]

if u want challenging go play an RTS

[winged sun]

[proper hare]

ele is the hardest spec though in aoe frfr

[tacit charm]

yea it is I agree

[grim jay]

glad I didnt wake you up

go ahead

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/mx-mouse-logitech-logitech-mouse-spinning-spinning-wheel-gif-24743270

excuse me, using my chain lighting macro

[spice spire]

Real

[proper hare]

cl go brr

not sure how enhance is now since ive been a classic andy since vanilla re-launched and tww is the first time ive played retail since wod xdd but i did love spellhance in wrath

everyone said it was hard

[tacit charm]

can we get this pinned please? they speak only truth

[proper hare]

was braindead af

[spice spire]

Do not speak to my kitten that way

[grim jay]

everyone knows that its sarcasm

dw

[crisp pine]

Man these requirements are getting specific

[grim jay]

especially for that key lv

[final star]

Assassination: WHere one of your most pressed buttons on princess is feint

[drifting cedar]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cinder steppe]

Is the wax bug that you need to reequip weapons still in the game?

[final star]

don't think so

[grim jay]

thats kinda a weird definition of most pressed, but its also boss design and not necessarily the spec

[cinder steppe]

Oh thats nice then might start farming them again then hahaha

[final star]

at least it was doing damage on silken court wipes last night

[grim jay]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[grim jay]

oh thought it got added

should just be fine all around

[final star]

one of your most pressed

[cinder steppe]

Thanks good to know!

[tepid lichen]

sudden demise is all bleeds?

[cursive flicker]

Anyone who was already decently geared and then got skardyns, how much of a dps increase was it for you? I have still been unable to get one

[winged sun]

@spice spire

are u proud

[tepid lichen]

same 623 cant get skardyn kek

[grim jay]

you could just sim it for yourself, everything else is rather irrelevant

but its noticeable to have an on-use

[winged sun]

did 9m dps 1st pull

[royal lantern]

use gear compare if you wanna see that tbh

[winged sun]

no grim batol trinket

[cursive flicker]

How do you sim an item you don’t have? (I just started using raidbots last week)

[keen remnant]

enhancement goat

[winged sun]

i died

was winning

[keen remnant]

no excuses

[spice spire]

The goat is back tell that fraud!

[winged sun]

died on kingsbane cd

[grim jay]

which first pull did you do

[winged sun]

necrotic wake

[grim jay]

yeah there are different ones

[neat raptor]

Is there a addon that can make tab target to non bleed mobs

[winged sun]

i have no on use trinket

[tepid lichen]

same :(

[winged sun]

i need ppl to backseat me

idk if im doing things wrong

my assa coach is busy

[dense cloud]

just mash buttons zeross

and big dam

[tired gull]

raidbots topgear, search for item and set ilvl

[final star]

@midnight mist explain

[spice spire]

Player gap tbh

[grim jay]

hes playing sin

not outlaw

[dense cloud]

lmfao

ik

[midnight mist]

necrotic wake

wdym explain

its like the worse outlaw key

[spice spire]

Confirmed player gap

[midnight mist]

look i have another one, one sec

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

see

outlaw > sin

[grim jay]

dang what dungeon was that

[midnight mist]

dawn

[grim jay]

did zeross die 10 times?

[midnight mist]

i was dead a full pack also

no

its just player diff

you know

[winged sun]

i did die wdym

[spice spire]

Nah zeross is shit

Dw

[midnight mist]

brother i was dead a whole pack

dont be a noob now

[winged sun]

tank route was shit for me

he pulled 1 mob at a time

[midnight mist]

yeye

excuses

[winged sun]

?!?!?

he pulled a mob

[midnight mist]

player gap

[winged sun]

i never saw in my life

[spice spire]

If he were a noob - he’d be playing outlaw

[grim jay]

quake so based

[winged sun]

he pulled this

like

wtf

is htis

mob

?!

[spice spire]

Based on what

[winged sun]

he casted weird aoe shit

[midnight mist]

just grapple out

zero

[winged sun]

i had to send a naked kingsbane on it

to wait for boss

worst mistake of my life

[grim jay]

that mob is cursed. we had that once aswell

[spice spire]

Wait

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

He pulled the thicc spider mob?

Ain’t no way

[winged sun]

ya im telling u

i was way ahead

i dont remember what else happened

eitherway i think outlaw is good in dawn

not rly an assa key that much

[midnight mist]

every key is an assa key

[arctic socket]

Play sub in keys

Better

For your mental

[spice spire]

Buddy

[midnight mist]

br osaid sub 💀

[grim jay]

trickster sub in keys

better for mental

[spice spire]

No shot you mentioned that dead spec

[spice spire]

That’s a cope

[arctic socket]

I mean

It works

[spice spire]

Sub been good for too long in keys

[arctic socket]

I would rather play sub over outlaw

[grim jay]

I mean its still good dmg wise

ngl

[spice spire]

I simply wouldn’t change specs

[grim jay]

but

why would you

[arctic socket]

What if I’m being told to change specs

For a shroud speed boost

[grim jay]

you leave the group

[spice spire]

I’d tell them to kick rocks

[arctic socket]

I tried sub yesterday on mythic

[spice spire]

Dead to me

[final star]

💀

[arctic socket]

I think sin is better

For me

In my group comp

[arctic socket]

Hate on it all you want but like sub in keys is the most brain dead spec there is

Let nimble fury

Carey

[plush bronze]

for rogue maybe but fury, ret, etc are all way more brain dead

[arctic socket]

Haven’t played fury war but ret yeah

[pulsar ice]

does imp poisons increase dmg of spatter?

[novel thunder]

hey guys,
Left is me, ~70 parse, right is a 99 with same ilvl/killtime/trinkets, my mut dmg is horrible, cant explain why

[slate crown]

Mods, post the what is sin #1 dps realz meme

Gm quake

[spice spire]

GM LE

[grim jay]

weapon ilvl?

same talents?

[crisp ridge]

Looks like he has vv and you have sanguine blades

[grim jay]

ye

[novel thunder]

mostely the same, i got a 636 mh

[grim jay]

the talents seem to be different

[novel thunder]

Yeah theyre are a few

[grim jay]

if you really dont have VV

thats already a solid increase

[novel thunder]

im usually pull off archon, but is VV > sanquine?

VV 2x

[grim jay]

there are quite some talents that are interchangeable

and depend on your setup

tho the diff between a 70 and a 99 is none of those

[novel thunder]

not quite sure then

career 95+ but this season really struggling, but ill try these talent changes out

what talent setup do you guys recommend for pure single

[oblique smelt]

Seen a lot of people run crafted dagger with ascendance + armour piece with double effect, but guide suggests double crit lining. Is it just because it's early season and people are crafting dagger because having a good mainhand is stronger?

[grim jay]

most people play with VV I guess, but whispyr removed the pin so I dont know the exactly builds anymore

mine is kinda weird to play with

sec

[arctic socket]

If you’re pushing raid use ascendance mh with doubling effect, if you mainly focused on mythic+ use dreadlining, if you don’t care pick either

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[arctic socket]

And being able to guarantee a 636 mh is really strong yes

You want your main hand to be the highest you can get it

[grim jay]

thats the VV build without SB that sims highest for me

[novel thunder]

thx ill sim/target dummy some of these changes

appreciate it

[oblique smelt]

I'm super casual gamer andy this expansion, so just doing heroic raiding and doing keys with friends around 10 level. So just double crit lining i guess. I have hero dagger. And surely i get myth track dagger next week

[arctic socket]

Craft a dagger at 636 if you can afford it

Anyways

The difference using either isn’t really noticeable

[winged sun]

@spice spire

destroyed both of them

dawn 2 chest

+11

[spice spire]

Fraud alert canceled we have a goat in chat

[grim jay]

see, proof that zac was faking it

on the last dawn screenshot

[quiet oar]

Imagine playing outlaw

Zac inting

[quartz spear]

@winged sun What build are you running?

[quiet oar]

frfr

[grim jay]

there is only one high key build

and thats hybrid

[long oyster]

Does anyone have the spell IDs of the duplicated bleeds and poisons from Deathmark

[winged sun]

what? there are builds?

idk im playing this

[quiet oar]

Hybrid deez nuts

[winged sun]

started playing yesterday

no idea about the spec

[grim jay]

hybrid me daddy

eh what

[quiet oar]

[oblique smelt]

[grim jay]

there are wild people

playing bleed

on higher keys

[quartz spear]

Is something like this just not used at all?

[grim jay]

no the singletarget is ass

[winged sun]

build im playing is always better ya?

[grim jay]

starting at decent keys ye

[winged sun]

no i mean high keys

[grim jay]

ye like everything thats atleast 7+

or smth

makes hybrid better

[winged sun]

wtf is hybrid

[grim jay]

what you are playing

is hybrid

[winged sun]

oh ok

[grim jay]

zeross just gaming

and blasting

[frail rune]

Hey guys, trying to understand assassin as a whole. when we dont stealth into a pack and have easu cleave. how many targets should we be trying to maintain rupture on at all times?

[grim jay]

enough to max your scent of blood talent stacks

[quiet oar]

!rupture

[grim jay]

all of that is in the

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[quiet oar]

[static glacier]

depends how long they live, but up to 5 is the answer

[frail rune]

ty ty, im mid Whisp vid and have wowhead and stuff open, just didnt want to lose my mojo and go head hunting. ty ty

[static glacier]

7s is the time you're looking at for it being worth applying a rupture

[grim jay]

mojo is really important

I respect that

[quiet oar]

isnt it up to 5

because 5* 4 ist 20

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/quick-maths-mans-not-hot-gif-11163522

[frail rune]

i was dead scared of trying to micro manage stealth, so seeing theres a whole section on how to do damage and your burst if the tank chain pulls iis great

[grim jay]

there even is a chat command

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[grim jay]

its a topic thats reoccuring

[static glacier]

is this tooltip cooked

[winged sun]

guys

why are ppl telling me to play double ambush

double vanish*

[static glacier]

its 2 points

bruh

[winged sun]

to never ambush

[frail rune]

awesome, thats one thing i find with a lot of these discord channels, (even other classes), theres always 1 or 2 silly questions everyone ALWAYS asks

[static glacier]

ye so up to 5

[grim jay]

because they are wild

its just straight up worse

barely any benefit

but mr z does it

[static glacier]

up to 5 or more if you need more for energy I guess

[grim jay]

so people still think its good

[winged sun]

in sims

whats the difference

in %

[grim jay]

idk like 4%? was it

[static glacier]

idk where in m+ it's worth to manually rupture a lot if its not like a +12

[winged sun]

4%

no way

[static glacier]

feels like everytrhing in 10/11s dies fast

[grim jay]

well subter is dead

the healing talent is dead

thats 4 points

for 1-2 additional casts

in a whole dungeon

[harsh cliff]

did they fix the bug where we can't consume DSM while DN is up?

[frail rune]

isnt it the whole "the remaining in rapture gives energy back if it dies" + "enemy below 35% takes the damage from dots" etc that makes it worth

[static glacier]

if people can justify taking double ambush it's 100% a defensive / utility thing

not for damage

[static glacier]

think about what you're giving up to rupture an extra target

a caustic'd env on your maint arget / one mark closer to next darkest night

and considering we're drowning in energy in aoe, rupture sniping isn't super worth unless you're going to have 1 target up forever and there's just 1-2 dying targets

and those targets would live for 7s of the rupture

[atomic relic]

which trinket is better
Dead eye spyglass or empowering crystal of anub?

[static glacier]

tl;dr you need to be going into conditions where you will be energy starved (ST)

[grim jay]

crystal

[arctic socket]

Sim it

[grim jay]

but sim to be sure

[arctic socket]

Both are good but yeah probably Crystal

[atomic relic]

i did sim it sim said empowering but on websites says spyglass is bis

[static glacier]

spyglass is cool on pure st, otherwise crystal

[grim jay]

what websites

[atomic relic]

wowhead

[atomic relic]

oh okk

[static glacier]

the way spyglass works is it applies a debuff to ur target

when you hit it you stack a crit buff

issue is if ur target dies / you swap target

[frail rune]

hmmmm I see that makes sense, so in low keys. if im not going in with stealth (to get free spreading), i can spread them once and just go ham on one fella?

[static glacier]

aka spyglass is great for st, but aoe prefs crystal

[grim jay]

wowhead has a trinket section that explains stuff. for m+ crystal currently seems to sim highest

[atomic relic]

ah kk thank you ❤️

[grim jay]

and on st all 3 are withing 0.1%

[atomic relic]

thank you so much ❤️

[static glacier]

on low keys you'd ct > rup + gar > mut the rup'd target > env spam

if you had to start a pull without stealth

[grim jay]

and whispyr said sims overvalue 2nd vanish

[winged sun]

wtf

ye i agree with whispyr even tho im clueless on assa yet

feel like 2nd vanish is useless

more of a feel good build

[strange python]

idk its bad af

[grim jay]

ye definitely, but the actual numbers just arent there

[static glacier]

it's not useless, it's just not optimal for dps

[strange python]

also our ST sucks in keys and 2x vanish makes it worse

[keen spruce]

hi @winged sun

[coral ibex]

maybe you want double vanish because your specific group wants the extra iron wire or something

[keen spruce]

what are u doin in assas

[coral ibex]

that's why zerocool runs it

[static glacier]

if for w/e reason you NEED to vanish a boss mechanic on some omega high key or it's 100% death I can see an argument

[grim jay]

yeah the 1 or 2 extra iron wire windows

[frail rune]

whats CT? I think i can piece together the rest of the terms

[static glacier]

but just being a person who asks if it's worth invalidates you for it being worthwhile I'd say

[tacit charm]

Crimson tempest

[arctic socket]

Crimson tempest

[frail rune]

oh yes of course

[winged sun]

hi

[tacit charm]

Hi Zeross 👉👈

[arctic socket]

Take double vanish so you don’t have to fuss about restealth

[static glacier]

you still gotta fuss about it lmao

1 extra vanish per key isn't going to fix things

[arctic socket]

It’s something we could tell the people that complain about it

Let them suffer more

[jaunty wind]

Question about rotation/priority. I've been using Shiv for the increased nature damge for 8 seconds after nkingsbane. The question is, should I be holding both charges for each Kingsbane cast, or using it with envenoms?

[static glacier]

ngl, i think we're actually competitive even if we never get restealths

between vanish and ct being some juiced spell

[frail rune]

rup + far the Main target. so CT, and then just Caustic cleave? once adds last a bit longer, then we can start spreading manually? I believe the whole rup thing was for energy, wouldnt one target rup make sad energy noises?

[kindred hinge]

It is funny that even tanks ask if they should wait a bit to allow restealth. Some people must be harrasing them

[static glacier]

I want to clarify this is for low keys IF YOU DO NOT START THE PACK WITH STEALTH

if ur starting from stealth the opener in the guide is good

[fallen arch]

Yes also read the tooltip of scent of blood

[arctic socket]

You shiv before kb then the last 8 seconds

[grim jay]

its funnier that people dont realize there is a difference between dragging a 5% hp mob into the next group and a proper chainpull

even people in title range

[arctic socket]

So yeah hold

[grim jay]

goes to show how far the m+ andy brain is

[static glacier]

thing is if they do chain 1 dying mob

i litterally just afk for 5-6s while hitting that mob

[kindred hinge]

Yeah some very weird link up even in 11/12 atm

[jaunty wind]

Perfect. I was thinking this, but wasn't sure. Thank you

[static glacier]

then stealth anyway

[kindred hinge]

But tanks are not fullyc omfortable yet with the routes so it is understandable

[static glacier]

not lost a single overall yet, sin is op at aoe

[arctic socket]

Calling it op might be a little bit of a stretch

Good? Definitely

Fury warrior op? Nah

[kindred hinge]

Did they change that btw? Got surprised that I could restealth, wasn't it not possible a few extend prior ?

[glacial crypt]

i've just arrived what's the conversation reading is hard

tldr me

[arctic socket]

If sins aoe is op

[glacial crypt]

yeah we're busted go next

[coral ibex]

fury and fdk are way stronger i think

[glacial crypt]

[glacial crypt]

fury falls off

[arctic socket]

[kindred hinge]

FDK is the only complete insane oone

[grim jay]

enhancer can be bonkers

all 3 of them

[arctic socket]

If we were so “op” we wouldn’t struggle getting into keys lmao

[kindred hinge]

5h in q this morning to get a +12, seeing Enh and FDK getting picked up Feel bad

[arctic socket]

Well to be fair tho

They are doing a lot more damage then we are

[lethal arrow]

took 2 hours to get into a +9 last night at 622 ilvl

[grim jay]

idk didnt lose to a single one so far

[arctic socket]

And people want “meta” to push their keys

[kindred hinge]

Good FDK are up there definitely, but there is also a lot of Rioboosted FDK which are regularly under me

Don't know how tbh FDK is really not hard to play mechanically

it require a bit of planning though and tanks need to play their role a bit like the old fire mage

[static glacier]

for dungeon aoe I think we very much are overtuned

[arctic socket]

Isn’t fdk just breath uptime?

[static glacier]

it's balanced out by our boss dps being wack

[grim vigil]

is it normal that your dps in keys on st slows down really hard from time to time?

[kindred hinge]

Breath uptime and weaving killing machine

[arctic socket]

We can agree to disagree

I see where you’re coming from but compared to other specs I wouldn’t call ours op

[static glacier]

bro i was beating similarly skilled guildies who had 4pc and 4-5 ilvls on me in overall every key

[crisp pine]

I'm fine with them nerfing spatter and aura buffing us

[kindred hinge]

I can finish a pack at 6m when the condition are there, not the 10/12+ of a DK / war. But we even out because the next pull our dps is stil lthere while they are anemic

[waxen oyster]

im surprised i dont see dhs more

[static glacier]

yeah, we dont need cds for aoe and our cds still make us blast

[waxen oyster]

their burst aoe is very good

[arctic socket]

To be fair though, not having tier as a sin rogue isn’t that important, and yeah you’re gonna still out damage some classes

(Gotta keep calling the spec undertuned so we don’t get hit with a nerf)

[static glacier]

we're due a nerf for aoe and a buff for st imo

they need to improve our st in keys

[grim vigil]

if i run a 9 can i change my 12 at the end?

[static glacier]

no

unless you drop ur 12 or run a 12 you can't change it

[grim vigil]

rip

12 grim batol not happening

[arctic socket]

I hope they just buff out st and leave the aoe unchanged

[static glacier]

just drop it to 10 and run it or change it in another 10

[grim vigil]

my question earlier was if its normal that st dmg slows down hard on bosses coming from packs u used cds on, now that you guys talk about having low st my question is answered i guess

[waxen oyster]

its a cd spec

[static glacier]

i think bc of how awkward it can be to aoe as sin we might be left

[arctic socket]

Yeah it takes a good bit of effort

With all the tab targeting

[static glacier]

compared to most classes ye

keeping track of ct/ bleeds / caustic / mark

ele out here with 2 button rotation meanwhile

[tacit hedge]

Ever since worlds first raid people are saying Candle Confident trinket is best in slot for DPS, is that even the case for assa?

[static glacier]

I thought it was an int trink

[arctic socket]

Why is it bis

Is that the 10% vers thing?

[tacit hedge]

Your spells have a chance to bring the candle to life, summoning a waxen ally to light up your enemies.

Apparently the wax it summons boost DPS for melee as well

That's what I heard, not entirely sure tho

[arctic socket]

So a augment evoker trinket

[full palm]

!upgrade

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[feral wasp]

top mage is 601 ilvl, im 621 ilvl assasin, am i terribad

[shy axle]

anyone playing fatebound in m+ or is deathstalker just generally better? did not follow the discussion for a few weeks, just remember a debate, but iv only shows the ds build

[edgy orbit]

Does anyone know how much hp the blood parasites have on heroic ovi?

[pliant remnant]

Yes.

[tepid lichen]

[edgy orbit]

Depends if you were using potions, and if your tank was letting you restealth between pulls. I often get pugs where the tank won't let me stealth between pulls. If we still had shadowdance it wouldn't be much of a issue.

[strange python]

well.... you could do better

i avg like 1.6-2m in key

624

[edgy orbit]

I'm 1.0-1.4 at 618 with a A tier trinkets.

[solar orbit]

Does anyone know if the bubbling wax is still only applied to 1 weapon?

[coral ibex]

i usually do 1.1-1.2m overall at 612, you are doing something wrong

[nova aspen]

i was intentionally only applying it to my offhand and it was still procing

[solar orbit]

yep, I meant for the purposes of applying it to both weapons

[nova aspen]

i had applied to both weapons and it only did .7% of my overall in a grim 9

so idk

(yes i blacklist the drake)

which came to like 12.2 mil i think it was

seems low, idk

[solar orbit]

I guess wax-oil it is then

[junior isle]

Does sudden demise become ineffective at higher level keys? And if so what level? If so, what would be better to take

[fleet coral]

hey

[sturdy crater]

which dungeon? Because im 615 and i pull better overall than that on average.

[feral wasp]

sob +10

[fleet coral]

assa rogue macro stops when mutilate turns to ambush

[undone summit]

try the hybrid build

[royal lantern]

reminder that dmg overall is not really a telling metric

🙂

[royal lantern]

what macro....?

[fleet coral]

i just trying to make opener macro for a friend

[royal lantern]

ye but what

[dapper valley]

do we need macros for assa in pve ?

[junior isle]

What level keys does the hybrid build benefit?

[royal lantern]

assa is not really a macro spec

[fleet coral]

bruw he wants

[dapper valley]

besides tricks

[royal lantern]

or rogue in general

[junior isle]

I’m 8-10 range rn

[fleet coral]

i'm not after reason idk

but i'm 100% percent sure its a bug after the patch

[undone summit]

yea go hybrid

[fleet coral]

i made other friend and it opens very welll

[royal lantern]

what macro man

tell us

so we can help you

[fleet coral]

sequence one

[undone summit]

but i like big overall numbers 😦

[fleet coral]

it has one mutilate

but when mutilate turns ambush macro stops

[junior isle]

Sudden demise is still on that I guess the main question was if sudden demise was a waste on like fortified weeks. Idk

[kindred hinge]

Since no one reacted

!stealth

[agile talon]

Just use a shift/alt/ctrl mod macro

[fleet coral]

mean procs as blindside

[arctic socket]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[kindred hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[fleet coral]

for sequance

[kindred hinge]

Booomer brain

[fleet coral]

dk its an option

i'm pretty sure it worked one reset after

[kindred hinge]

Just play what you want timer are not tight when execution is good until 12s

[junior isle]

I macro my pots and trinkets into death mark

[junior isle]

Make sense! Thank you

[fleet coral]

nope i made whole sequance in one till second shiv

but not working properly :/

[agile talon]

You sequence macro'd the whole opener??

[junior isle]

I mean also, the problem is sometimes Procs aren’t right if you do a cast sequence and for some reason you don’t generate enough combo points it will be a wasted wnvenom

[fleet coral]

yeah xD

[keen remnant]

good thinking

[junior isle]

Like if you don’t get at least 5 combo points to proc a death stalker mark it’s a dps loss

[fleet coral]

my only problem here is

[kindred hinge]

Please don't use a sequence macro in keys

[fleet coral]

blindside procs disabling mutilate

[tepid lichen]

what is hybrid build

[royal lantern]

the build marked as "Hybrid" in the wowhead guide

[tepid lichen]

idk dont see it

maybe lost in the clickbait foldered shit of wowhead's memery

[fleet coral]

anyways dat is dead now other friend can't use it macro too now :p

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#hybrid

[tepid lichen]

its literally no different than the default recommended M+ build though

[normal mist]

its the build whispyr advises players to use

because there are more

[tawdry crypt]

For generic keys or for like push keys

[tepid lichen]

ye but previous convo unless i mistook it, contextually seemed to suggest it was an alternative to sudden death build or a less known build

[normal mist]

Hybrid for everything

[tepid lichen]

but it takes sudden death and isn't less known

i was hoping for some spicy new build

[solar orbit]

you could argue the cleave build is for the highest of keys for really experimented players

[normal mist]

probably the cleave build @tepid lichen

[hard river]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[royal lantern]

cus it is the default build

[tepid lichen]

yea as aforementioned someone suggested it to someone else as a different build than sudden death

but its literally just the default sudden death build

[normal mist]

this part is important

[tepid lichen]

hence my confusion

seems mid i'll just keep playing the "hybrid" (just label it as default) build instead

[civic tide]

can someone explain how some ppl manage to keep up evenom for 90% of the time

[fleet coral]

not seems decent for most raid encouters

[civic tide]

i can barely make it to 70

[fleet coral]

here is the strong cleave but idk

[normal mist]

how are you sending your envenoms?

[solar orbit]

you don't spam envenom when you're not on burst windows

You build the CP and only cast it when the buff is about to expire

[civic tide]

I try to, but cant seem to make it work >.<

[solar orbit]

that's the primary way of running out of energy

if you run out of energy, then wait for your energy to pool, around 150

With full CP

Once you're at 150, you send envenom and repeat the process of building CP and casting at the very end of the buff

[oak tangle]

tips for pooling, always generate, then hold

[normal mist]

no need to full CP

[civic tide]

like, i know my dmg breakdown is not supposed to look like this, but my brain cant seem to comprehend what to do different

[normal mist]

only 5+

[static glacier]

What key level?

[solar orbit]

spatter is supposed to be your main dps on aoe, isn't it?

[civic tide]

6 necro

[static glacier]

And what hero tree

[normal mist]

we ONLY full CP (7cp) when we have darkest night

[normal mist]

is this the bleed build?

[strange python]

need more caustic

[civic tide]

the standard thing

[static glacier]

Nah, it has amp poison too

[normal mist]

didnt notice

hmm

weird

so much garrote dmg

[static glacier]

I wouldn’t run hybrid below 9s tbh

[zealous crag]

Hey guys ! On my nameplate, the castbars is over my raid frames... How can i fix this pls ?

[strange python]

its good every key lvl

[solar orbit]

Really? why?

[static glacier]

I prefer bleed in lower keys

Bigger sudden demise snipes / less globals spent on fok > env due to how fast everything dies

[normal mist]

Some people do prefer bleed early on

[solar orbit]

lower keys is everything below 9?

damn

[static glacier]

Kb targets just don’t live in low keys

[normal mist]

"The Bleed build is focused on spreading strong bleeds and leveraging Sudden Demise. Given its ease of play, simple goals, and shorter required ramp time, it is the primary recommendation for Mythic+ players doing lower-end content."

[static glacier]

Nah, I’d say low keys is like 5 and under?

I really like bleed up to 9 though

Week one I stopped running bleed around 7-8, but we all had -20 ilvl then

Stuff lived longer

[oak tangle]

fort week can change that key rank too

[static glacier]

Low-key. All the sin m+ builds are good

[daring hamlet]

assa absolutely cranks in keys its wild - were like right up there with frost dk's... only issue is tanks still dont know how to give a reset which is honestly fine for dmg but not getting iron wire openers on a fresh pack is pretty bad

[oak tangle]

but on tyr weeks it feels bad below a 7

[solar orbit]

I like having my 4 poisons though

[static glacier]

Run a dtb build, keep in mind I’m just yapping about what gave me the best overalls

Any build can do any key level within reason

[oak tangle]

depends on your group tbh, when i do lower keys it's with other people who would consider those keys lower, namely a dh, and a pally, if i want to try and compete i have to play bleed build

[urban moat]

Hey, i'm lf a good ulgrax hq/m assa kill yt video. Is there any u recommend ?

[oak tangle]

or just forgo competing and coast

[cobalt sphinx]

Zoldycks for the affix

Execute that boy

[grim jay]

could just invite a brewmaster

instead of sacrificing so much

[oak tangle]

why not windwalker

[grim jay]

doesnt windwalker use that shit for actual damage

and its weaker

[oak tangle]

its a 1 min cd tho

[grim jay]

ye and it sucks if its on cd

and the thing spawns

brew can just hold

[strange python]

@glacial crypt tacos waiting in Austria wya

[oak tangle]

ww doesn't really need it for damage

[strange python]

@keen spruce invited to the cookout too

[polar sinew]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[oak tangle]

the times when you get bonus damage from using it, is the end of a pull anyway

[grim jay]

dont they have that aoe tod anymore?

[oak tangle]

nah

[grim jay]

also ive seen way less WWs than Brew

tbh

[oak tangle]

all it is a like a 15 or 20% buff for a few seconds

so you no longer have to snipe the end of a boss's hp or something

but yeah aoe part was removed

but that also means with the affix to chop, you get that buff with the cdr in a pull

so that could be better than worse imo

[grim jay]

I dont even know how WW is doing currently

havent really seen one in keys

[rain wraith]

WW pumps

atleast i do on mine

its like playing outlaw but less ADHD

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim jay]

bro dont insult WW

it imo isnt even close

[tight root]

Hey guys, what embelishments do i need on my wrist and waist?

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[tight root]

Thanks ❤️

[cobalt sphinx]

Inviting a brewmaster is sacrificing everything

I took more melee attack damage with a brewmaster than I have taken in all previous keys combined

How am i getting aggro on a dot class

I even started pressing my tricks keybind and still died

[grim jay]

sounds like a bad brew

[edgy orbit]

In the situation where you're in a high level key and your garrotes and rupture are going to fall off all targets and a bunch of enemies are around half health still, would I only reapply rupture and garrote to my main target and keep working caustic spatter (If vanish was on cd)

[glacial crypt]

the spiders over there are too big

[cobalt sphinx]

technically worth it to redo the ruptures but not really worth it to worry about out-of-stealth garrotes on aoe

[sly blade]

Hi! On a lot of packs, more often than not, Crimson Tempest dot does way more damage than caustic spatter and I can't figure out why, I keep refreshing cs when it's about to expire, any ideas?

[kindred hinge]

Depends really on the time the pack will take to die and energy level

Rupture at 4 cp on multiple target can be worth it if energy starved

[coral ibex]

scent of blood is big stonks too

dont forget it

4% agi per rupture

[kindred hinge]

Yeah but if you spend time to spread and the pack is dying not really worth. Need to assess on the moment

[late kestrel]

related to this - is it worth vanishing during a pack (outside of kingsbane) to reapply garrote/rupture?

[drifting lance]

do i still need to requip my weapon with wax?

for it to work again on death

[kindred hinge]

But tbh so far its a very rare situation. Pack usually die shortly after opening rupture expire. And for the pack that dont you should know about them and have vanish

[static glacier]

How stacked are these packs?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it is a huge amount of damage, vanish is basically a damage/utility cooldown in keys

[kindred hinge]

Depends again do you need the silence? Do you have 5 ruptures up? Will your tank chain etc

[cobalt sphinx]

very useful for silences too on casters

[static glacier]

Ct range is a lot larger than spatter

[sly blade]

Physically? I don't know, about your average pack in dungeons

Maybe it explains that it happens seemingly 1/2 packs

[slim pebble]

Is there a point where caustic needed both bleeds and poisons on a target,

[coral ibex]

that is how caustic works

[slim pebble]

It’s only rupture

[coral ibex]

rupture + poison + mutilate

[slim pebble]

And I remember it as garrote and rupture

[coral ibex]

no

you need rupture and a deadly poison

[arctic socket]

I believe old caustic spatter use to require both garrote and rupture

Then it was changed to just rupture

[slim pebble]

Okay so I’m not that insane

[undone eagle]

is embellishment weps a MUST if u wanna increase logs? 😂 or is it minor + increase

[coral ibex]

wow that sounds ass lmao

[slim pebble]

Embels are like 1%

[late kestrel]

to check: garrote refresh outside of stealth is not as high prio as rupture uptime

[undone eagle]

so not worth if u wanna save gold or?

[coral ibex]

depends what you think 1% dam is worth in gold

[kindred hinge]

Gold is worthless thought. Was never as easy as this xpac to have millions

[arctic socket]

Dreadlining is cheap

[kindred hinge]

Maybe wod with the free passive gold

[arctic socket]

Leather is cheap

Wep craft sorta expensive

[cobalt sphinx]

well if you want good logs you will want to do everything you can

all the little 2% increases will multiply together

[late kestrel]

asked this in sub channel too but i wanna play sub in raid but sin in keys- what embellishment(s) can i use for both?

[winged gust]

rupture and envenom would work right

[arctic socket]

I bet he doesn’t have rank 3 enchants

[arctic socket]

To apply caustic? No

You need to press multi

Have to

[iron valve]

can you give some tips then? I've been bleeding gold since the expansion started lol

[arctic socket]

Level a profession

Easy gold

[coral ibex]

as always best gold per hour is having a real job

[winged gust]

oh so rupture, envenom/shiv then mutilate?

[arctic socket]

Boost people

[sly blade]

I just tested on the dummies at dornogal, realized it made a huge difference on my dps if I cs one at the edge of the pack, so maybe it's just my cs target that is wrong, thank you @static glacier

[arctic socket]

What are you asking

[winged gust]

to make caustic splatter work

[loud hearth]

Am I crazy or did the Caustic used to be an AoE around the player instead of around the target?

[arctic socket]

Alright you ready for this

You apply rupture on your target

Press multi on it

[coral ibex]

in the time it takes for you to apply rupture and mutilate, you will have applied your weapon poison to the target

[arctic socket]

You have splatter

[coral ibex]

i think that is the disconnect here

[winged gust]

oh tf i see

sorry im kinda new to rogue lmao i feel like an idiot playing this class

[coral ibex]

poisons are applied passively

[arctic socket]

Go read up the wowhead guide

[rotund oak]

dw man,we all started from somewhere

its a hard class

[coral ibex]

yea no worries bro

[sly blade]

Yeah, picked it up just before tww, felt the same haha

[arctic socket]

And give the 1:30 hour min video whisper did

A-z explains everything

Rogue related

[coral ibex]

its long but very easy to follow

and it has timestamps for sections

[arctic socket]

Also exetremly helpful

And will answer your dumb questions so

[winged sun]

guys

[arctic socket]

So you don’t get memed on

[winged sun]

whats the rotation difference between m+ build and raid build

[winged gust]

thankyou lmfao

[winged sun]

ive been palying m+ all day

now raid

whats the difference