assassination

[balmy condor]

who cares ya know

[thorny crown]

ah alright, ty man ❤️

[hollow bronze]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[real pike]

if you're doing a pack of like 9 mobs and you need to ambush for DsM do you prefer 3 garottes and 2 ruptures to the other way round?

[balmy condor]

you never do more than 2 ruptures during carnage

[real pike]

stop it

[balmy condor]

stop what

[real pike]

meaning I've been wrong all this time

even if you're pulling with DN up so you can go straight into Gar

[balmy condor]

I mean why would you need more than 5 ruptures

you max scent

[thorny crown]

you cant sim what stats are best for me to set on the crafted gear through raidbots right

[balmy condor]

you don't have sbs

you don't need energy

what's the point

[real pike]

idk my monke brain thinks moar dots > moar dam

[rotund oak]

factual reality

the more u delay ur dmg the less dmg u do

max scent stacks and send ur cds

thats how sin functions

[balmy condor]

but isn't 3 garrotes also more dots?

[late surge]

@balmy condor on brood, do I keep the dot up on boss

CT

or do I just press when adds

[real pike]

yeah that's what I mean

[late surge]

me not familiar with CT usage in ST if specced

[balmy condor]

just use it when adds

using it in st too jank for very little benefit

save the brain

[late surge]

so what ur telling me

is press it during DM

big brain

[balmy condor]

no

[late surge]

I only pressed on adds

[balmy condor]

nice

[real pike]

you said you never do more than 2 ruptures, but I'm saying if you have DN up already so you could do 3 garotte AND 3 ruptures in the IC window, that's more dots

that's what surprised me

[balmy condor]

how are you fitting those gcds

[late surge]

what if I wanna abuse my brain tho

[balmy condor]

CT single target is left as an exercise to the reader

[real pike]

Gar > Rup > Rup > Gar > Gar > Rup

with SBS

[balmy condor]

so you're going into the pull with cp then?

cause I for sure know you're not ripping a 3cp rupture

right

[glacial crypt]

[balmy condor]

say yes

[glacial crypt]

Yes

[real pike]

yes

I am not

[balmy condor]

yes I'm gonna delete

perfect

yeah

[glacial crypt]

Excellent

[balmy condor]

good thing you're not doing a 3cp rupture

that would be really dumb and stupid

and you're not dumb and stupid

good work

if you go into a pack with cp up, that sequence would work yes

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[real pike]

ok cool and obviously that massively niche situation I've brought up by taking your previous comment too literally is going to radically change my damage over the course of a dungeon

right???

[balmy condor]

yes surely

[real pike]

god damn I'm genius

[balmy condor]

+15% dps you're missing from a slight change to your gcd sequencing

yes yes

very reasonable

[ebon notch]

whispyr is having fun tonight

[real pike]

cu on the allstars leaderboard

[glacial crypt]

Those niche situations are always fun

[balmy condor]

my favorite is fixing gcd specific openers in hypothetical situations that might sometimes happen

[marble hemlock]

for a 0.2% gain

[ebon notch]

hey man better than some of the better questions i used to ask

[glacial crypt]

Just remember poison knife is a valid spell

[glacial crypt]

Kill it

[balmy condor]

but then I say something like "CT is a single target increase whenever there's more than 1 target"

and everyone loses their shit

[real pike]

think you need to make a visual for the wowhead guide for every single possible pack pull situation we might find ourselves in

[balmy condor]

I'll talk to the dev team about making the opener timelines three dimensional

[ebon notch]

hahaha

[glacial crypt]

Hmm now hang on two is more than one

[balmy condor]

you can spin it around like a hypercube

[real pike]

I unironically want that

[ebon notch]

i think whispyr needs to finally get title

to write the ultimate guide

for m+

so that i dont have to listen to zerocool

[balmy condor]

didn't I already do that

[ebon notch]

get title?

[balmy condor]

oh

no I'm not mentally deranged enough for that

[ebon notch]

are you sure

[glacial crypt]

Go pug it and see what happens

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

I will not be getting title

I promise you that

I might hate myself enough to go to therapy

but doing m+ for title is a step too far

[glacial crypt]

Well at least your head is screwed on

[ebon notch]

nothin wrong with therapy

[rotund oak]

depends what type of therapy

[ebon notch]

i got my title as a ranged spec last tier

was pog

ranged is so op

[rotund oak]

tbf ranged is far better than melee

period

[glacial crypt]

Hold your horses

[rotund oak]

im between hunter or mage

[rotund oak]

cant answer that,got a clever one though

[kindred hinge]

And now if you are not FDK gl getting in 12+ as melee in pugs. 4h in q this morning 0 invite.

[rotund oak]

[charred obsidian]

i know this probably dont matter at all but with the bis crafts, is Haste/Mastery the optimal stats if you do have all bis pieces

[glacial crypt]

Just simn

Your character

Bis lists are a sham

[rotund oak]

the only melee ild play srsly now is ret and thats because its not rly melee

bro is judging sht from his house

[balmy condor]

pugging past 10 is grounds for psych ward admission

that's fucking nuts

sitting in town for 4 hours

aint no way

[novel star]

ret is actually a fake spec man

[balmy condor]

you could like

[rotund oak]

yup

[balmy condor]

learn a language instead

or learn how to cook something

[novel star]

ret has 0.5 buttons

[ebon notch]

wait i can forward your messages now

thats kinda cool

[kindred hinge]

Nearly puged my wait to title in DF S1, I decided to stop 2 week to early x) It's not that bad tbf at that level eeryone you find is good. It's the long Q and insta depelte on a mistake that gets you

[charred obsidian]

imagine learning something actually useful in life

[ebon notch]

ive pugged 2 of my titles

almost 3

[rotund oak]

i feel for u man

[kindred hinge]

The issue is that with the Key squish, the bottleneck of 12 is not easily passed with stuff now and there is barely any key. In a month it will be better

[rotund oak]

it takes real courage and dedication to torture urself

for a title

[subtle tundra]

Can you say "varas is so fucking hot" so I can forward it

[ebon notch]

ye its not rly smth i wanna do lmao

[kindred hinge]

I speak 5, brains has no space left

[glacial crypt]

How

[ebon notch]

varas has serious mental health issues that need to be addressed

[novel star]

don’t we all

[subtle tundra]

It works!

[glacial crypt]

I got told this after sending someone a personal mrt note

[kindred hinge]

Easy, Family ! Quarter french quarter spanish, half swedish with English that covers 4 + Danish that is easy when you speak swedish

[glacial crypt]

I thought them mentioning varas was weird though

[rotund oak]

thats so cool

i speak(outside my native-greek) english and french

got a degree in both

[glacial crypt]

I struggle enough with English and it's my native language 5 is insane

[rotund oak]

my brother speaks 7

it gets easier the more u learn

coz all languages share stuff

[glacial crypt]

Right now see

The tank in my guild can "speak" like 5 too

[kindred hinge]

I speak them but I am not proficient outside of French/English if I have to do some work in writing for example. People with a degree like Sapzilla would have a much higher vocab imo. But it work enough without needing to speak formal. Hardest is to get the idioms right

Not too uncommon with Europeans to be honest, which is nice

[glacial crypt]

But he dribbles his English out and gets mad when we misunderstand what he's saying

[rotund oak]

yeah same,my brother has actual degrees on french/englsih/spanish/Italian/Turkish

talks some japanese and hindu

[glacial crypt]

It's still really cool having that baseline to work off of

[rotund oak]

i wanna learn russian

[kindred hinge]

My accents are crap though, really jaleous of my wife that speak 7 with native accents but she is linguist and has a pitch perfect ear.

[glacial crypt]

Holy

There is infinite communication in your relationship

[kindred hinge]

Our kids are fucked yeah 😄

[glacial crypt]

LMAO

[rotund oak]

imagine having the ability to learn from ur parents languages at home

before even starting school

its like giving soldiers nuclear wpns

💪

[kindred hinge]

Main issue is that kids don't like minority language, it's a hassle to get them speak them. they understand alright but to speak nope don't want to bother when 2-3. So we kept it at 3 (Language where we live Swedish / French / English) That will give the baseline for Spanish /Danish / Norwegian later

[spiral escarp]

Hello, checked the pins and nothing is mentioned about the new affix, so here it comes:
which spells does it affect? I am looking at my timers after killing the voidbound and I still haven’t figured it out. Perhaps the only thing I noticed is shiv getting reduced by it?

[rotund oak]

basicly english is all that matters but the more the kids come in contact the smarter they become.Its overcharging ur lil myasts to become fighters later on in their lives

big stonks

[proud dock]

quick question -- should i be pooling a certan amount of energy before dumping envenoms? Google-fu suggests 80-90 energy prior to dumping, but I dont know if this is outdated or not -- thank you

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[rotund oak]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[proud dock]

nice

ty

[rotund oak]

so much faster

[spice surge]

Im faster on my end

[proud dock]

so basically make sure i haev 70% energy before dumpin?

fatebound ofc

[rotund oak]

was eating chips but 🫶

[glacial crypt]

Copium

[rotund oak]

ik,im getting

im prolly rolling BM hunter

[glacial crypt]

Why would you do that

Ew

[rotund oak]

coz im oldge man

im good for nothing

[glacial crypt]

How old is old

[rotund oak]

only thing i care is work,money and food

39

[glacial crypt]

Oh you're old

[lament stump]

how do u guys make money for enchants

[glacial crypt]

I forget to eat some days because I'm engrossed in wow

[glacial crypt]

Boost the raid

Though I think herbing and mining is actually the way to farm gold if you can't

[kindred hinge]

Alt Army

[rotund oak]

lvl up enchanting,i lvled up several alts to fish radiant power form the dust bags with 600 acuity

big money

[glacial crypt]

You could do 2x4 leather farming but idk how good it is now

On launch that was a lot of gold

[lament stump]

ill google some of these strats

[kindred hinge]

If you feel frisky, speculate on the AH

[lament stump]

ive avoided professions up until now....

[rotund oak]

market in EU is deadge now

[kindred hinge]

I am not a financial advisor, speculating carries significant risk with no guarantee on your capital

[glacial crypt]

Gathering ones are easy

[rotund oak]

all materials lost and losing 50-70% of their initial value

[glacial crypt]

Pick your favourite place in new expansion and just fly around on a wee guy picking glowers

[kindred hinge]

People dumping after first week without reset spike yes

[glacial crypt]

Actually enchanting sounds good in my head

Level tons of alts and just get lots of random new gear

Disenchant for storm dust

[kindred hinge]

But the low cost low energy effort is to take all your 70s, get a profession around 70/100 (Some more some less depending) and us eyour concentration to produce R3 using R2 mat. You can get 50-100k a day more or less with 30 min work

That's cover most expenses

[cunning needle]

is egg looking good with its buffs?

or is it still garbo

[glacial crypt]

EGG??

[cunning needle]

EGG

[glacial crypt]

WHICH EGG IS BEING BUFFED

[cunning needle]

THE EGG

[glacial crypt]

Ew get it away

[grim jay]

that trinket

[glacial crypt]

Don't like that egg

[grim jay]

is literally a worse abomination than transmitter

[glacial crypt]

Worse than galecallers

[alpine oracle]

yo, is egg better than crystal for off trinket?

[glacial crypt]

Wouldn't bother with egg ever

[real pike]

how old is not old

I'm worried I'm old

[glacial crypt]

Let me think about this actually

A lot of my guildies are like 30-37

[real pike]

Is that old?

[cunning needle]

do you groan when you get out of your chair?

[glacial crypt]

But there's a lot of us 23 - 30

And I get called old when I'm 24

[real pike]

fuck sake man

[glacial crypt]

I think 40 is old

[real pike]

I turned 30 a couple months ago and I feel ancient

[glacial crypt]

30 is definitely getting there

[real pike]

oofge

[glacial crypt]

Like how long ago was 2016

8 years

[novel star]

i’m 21

literally rotting and creaking from old age alrdy

[grim jay]

whispyr is close to 30 aswell

we all getting old

[glacial crypt]

I think when your priorities go from farming a trinket to some boring irl shit you're old

[burnt violet]

hi! maybe i got lost on the video but, why the Bottled Flayedwing Toxin trinket of necrotic wake isnt that great on assasination ?? 🤔

[real pike]

why would my priority be farming a trinket when I got it mythic in my vault already

[glacial crypt]

It's not a high ticket item at all, it mostly just comes down to the sims

[grim jay]

priorities cant shift, cant farm anything anymore

[glacial crypt]

Like you'd rather have an on use that actually grants you damage

Instead of that silly poison thing

[glacial crypt]

What about farming money

[burnt violet]

oh i see, thank you!

[novel star]

it’s a fine trinket

not good not bad

[royal lantern]

wrong

boomer = older then me

zoomer = younger then me

27 is the perfect age

until im turning 28

[rotund oak]

27 uwu

when i was 27 climatic change wasnt a problem yet bruh

😂

[royal lantern]

boomer

[kindred hinge]

I was 15 when Vanilla got released. Relfexes are not as good as then now 😄

[glacial crypt]

What age are u

[royal lantern]

read

[glacial crypt]

Now hang on a minute I had to scrolk on twitter

[glacial crypt]

Boomer

[modern rover]

Friends! Is there a reason why you wear all 5 sets of Tier? As far as I know, the test is off-tier, so the chest is to match 4 sets by using different crit/mastery equipment except for Tier, but when you look at statistical sites such as Archon and Murlok, most of them wear 5 sets including Chest. Is there another reason why we need Tier Chest?

[royal lantern]

high ilvl good

and secondsrys doesnt matter

[grim jay]

gold not worth farming, irl I cant complain

[grim jay]

no you good

[royal lantern]

:3

[glacial crypt]

Yeah so like we're just getting started in the season, no one has bis and so no one has the luxury of choice rn

[rotund oak]

each profile is different friend,wearing 5set is prolly coz ilvl.If u are thinking about hero track gear etc u shouldnt even bother with such stuff

e.g ive got myth track chest piece on my 1st vault,took it and put a crystaline radiance

never thought taking anything else

[modern rover]

thanks buddies!!

[glacial crypt]

@strange python where are the tacos

[shy heron]

Yeah where are the tacos (??)

[frail escarp]

Is it worth spending another 90 gildeds on getting a 2nd crafted piece to 636 from 606?

[glacial crypt]

Sim it and see but probably yes

Two embellishments at 636 are two items you likely won't replace for a very long time

I'm not changing mine at all this season across all 6 of my rogues anyway

So those are just what I'm considering my bis and not thinking about it

[kindred hinge]

FDK prio melee in pug I can understand that shit is insane at the moment yes, but why Enh too ? We do the same but better. ...

[charred obsidian]

What can i drop to get this talent? Just for openworld stuff

[broken swift]

rushed setup imo

[neat pulsar]

Tea maybe, because you will get energy back by killing with rupture in open world

[broken swift]

the like 6 energy cheaper kidney is definitely worth less than tea

[proud dock]

For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well. -- If I am readin this correctly (which I doubt I am), this means I don't want MORE than 50% energy before using envenom? so keep it under that much by spending it until combo points are maxed and then send?

[neat pulsar]

Yeah true

[charred obsidian]

ah thanks

[blissful cosmos]

pooling!

[proud dock]

yeah ive read it

[blissful cosmos]

!pool

[proud dock]

like 50 times

[blissful cosmos]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[proud dock]

im asking for clarification on it

because to me, it doesnt make sense

[proud dock]

Im specifically asking if i need to pool energy to 50% before using envenom

[crisp pine]

you can use envenom above 50% energy friend

[proud dock]

or if I need to never let it get above 50% im confused but im also not smart

ok thank you

above 50% energy then i send envenom kk

[cunning needle]

!pool

[crisp pine]

and also below 50%

[proud dock]

oh God...

[cunning needle]

oh

[charred obsidian]

someone said that you dont need to pool 50% if you go deathstalker

[cunning needle]

someone already did that

[cunning needle]

you pool till either 50% or envenom about to run off

[proud dock]

kk ty save up 50% then dump dump dump

[cunning needle]

well dump if youre over 50

if youre under 50 you pool

if youre over 50 you send

[proud dock]

ilu ty

that i understand

[cunning needle]

np

stay stealthi

[proud dock]

lol ty

[gloomy jacinth]

Hiya guys, please, can you recommend some video or channel, that has in-action breakdown or explanation of what they do in M+?
I feed like I play everything OK but I don't have as high damage output as other rogues, so I'm doing probably something wrong, but I'm not sure what 😄 . So I'd like to fix that.
Thanks!

[arctic socket]

Check whispyr on YouTube

[cunning needle]

depends on the spec

[arctic socket]

Has like over a hour long video

[gloomy jacinth]

I checked that one of course. As a first thing in fact. But it's different when someone talks in theory about rotations and everything and when he shows it in-action in dungeon.
Whispyrs video is great, but I'm looking for something a bit different.

[glacial crypt]

I'll make one for you chickpea

Give me 3 days xd

[gloomy jacinth]

haha, actually, that's perfect, because I'm on the business trip for the next three days anyway 😄

[glacial crypt]

Perfect it's on my to do list

Making content is well good

[arctic socket]

Do you have a screenshot of an overall key or one of your m+ logged?

[brazen wedge]

lol I’m parsing 99 while being at the bottom of the chart. What happened to assassin

[glacial crypt]

In here from like last 2 weeks I do one sec

[broken swift]

what nameplate addons do yall use for better visability for bleeds etc.

[glacial crypt]

This but maybe not what you're looking for exactly

Normally finishing around 1.3-1.8mil depending on dungeon and group

[glacial crypt]

Plater!

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[glacial crypt]

There are some profiles there

[gloomy jacinth]

Hmm, I'm not really recoding logs myself. This is my rogue however - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/drakthul/tyalla?zone=39
I'm trying to look for some representative log 😄

[glacial crypt]

Oh you meant to review my b

[broken swift]

tyvm!

[arctic socket]

I mean looking at your it seems like your CT Is low

At least splatter for you though is the highest so

[glacial crypt]

I hate m+ i just press whatever looks pretty

More crimson tempest required

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[gloomy jacinth]

Okay, this one can be pretty representative of me, although I had some unfortunate deaths if I remember correctly, so overall dps is under 1m
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d1LRXcC48wD6kaMK#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=5

[arctic socket]

Looks like to me, (I could be wrong and there’s probably other people smarter then I am) But on some of your keys it like you hold cool downs a little too long like you aren’t sending them on cd sometimes

On one of you city of threads your damage was low because of the talent build

[gloomy jacinth]

Yea, that's one thing I struggled with. But in ~last week I tried to fix it and I think it's better.

[arctic socket]

On the mist key, it seems like your CT is a little on the lower side, like you don’t keep it up as much on mob packs as you should,

[kindred hinge]

Where are your crimson tempest ?

[arctic socket]

(Ct on 2+ and fok

[alpine oracle]

is there any rupture counter? I do the rotation but sometimes the pulls are two bigs for 2 aoe ruptures should i do more when around 8-10 adds?

or follow rotation?

[kindred hinge]

You don't need more than 5 rupture

Even if it feels good to vanish and have the hole pack ruptured

[arctic socket]

Well you passively get up to 6 ruptures because of IC and smart targeting… and sometimes on bigger packs sending a vanish to re iron wire packs is the move…

On wagio there should be something like a scent of blood tracker

That would tell you how many ruptures you have out

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

^

[strange python]

You said I’d be eating sand for desert

[still jewel]

Im kinda New to these systems. The game will apply garrote in priority to target that doesnt have it ?

[strange python]

What do you think where the tacos are

[arctic socket]

Yeah it will also rupture

[still jewel]

If only i knew before i wouldnt have stressed myself to find the perfect target in the middle of the pack lol. Thanks

[gloomy jacinth]

Thank you, so from what you wrote the two most obvious problems might be:

• small CT uptime
• holding on cooldowns too much

I'll try to fix that :).

I know it's hard to judge from such logs, but do you think ruptures and garrotes seem OK? I try to have at least 3 garrotes and 5 ruptures on pull and then I try to keep up two or three ruptures depending on the situation (number of mobs and their HP). I don't reapply garrote too much to be honest.

[arctic socket]

You shouldn’t worry about spreading garrote but to just your prio target

And then focus on kinda keeping Say 4-6 ruptures out

And yeah don’t be afraid to just send CDS on cooldown

[iron ivy]

I was about to ask: in aoe when bleeds have run out and vanish is on cd, do you try to apply rupture to multiple enemies?

[kindred hinge]

Usually pack is dead when you need to reapply from opener

[arctic socket]

^

If you don’t have stealth you focus on spreading up to least 3-5 ruptures and making sure you keep ct up

[iron ivy]

Makes sense :p

[gloomy jacinth]

Usually, but not always. And especially in chain pulling (and even especiallier when vanish is on CD 😄 ).

[arctic socket]

Then garrote your primary target

Also make sure you’re pressing multi to keep up caustic splatter

And don’t just mindlessly press fok

[gloomy jacinth]

Sure, I keep rupture, garrote and caustic on main target as biggest priority, so I can cleave around

[strange python]

Hey fellow roguers!

how are my rogues today.

[nova aspen]

[arctic socket]

Tired

[small thicket]

just rogueing

[iron ivy]

"With  Vanish and  Improved Garrote,  Deathmark can duplicate two  Garrotes. This not only adds another stack of  Lethal Dose, but also gives resources through  Venomous Wounds."

I don't understand how it can duplicate two garrotes. During the deathmark you reapply garrote and therefore it applies twice?

[gloomy jacinth]

And maybe one last question. In what situations you use shiv? I always try to press in on Kingsbane for last 8 seconds. But I barely use it outside of kingsbane. Basically only for enrage dispells when tank screams 😄

[arctic socket]

You use it during the last 8 seconds of kb then on CD on your prio target

[strange python]

why

[arctic socket]

If you don’t you would waste a charge

[strange python]

do you run 2 charges

[arctic socket]

You only run one charge in m+

[iron ivy]

30s recharge time 1min kb cd

[arctic socket]

Look at the cooldown of shiv

And kb

[strange python]

sorry i cant feral druid main

[iron ivy]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[gloomy jacinth]

So you just press shiv always on CD on priority target without some special setup or something, so you have a charge ready again for next kingsbane?

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[reef ravine]

yes

[arctic socket]

I mean you want all your bleeds and shit up

[iron ivy]

It also increases envenom and cs damage

[arctic socket]

If you don’t do that it’s wastinf a LOT of damage and shiv charges

[gloomy jacinth]

Thanks, so that would be third thing I should try to fix 😄

[arctic socket]

I didn’t even look at your shiv casts xD

[gloomy jacinth]

Well, I mentioned I use it only with KB and occasionaly as enrage dispell, so I'm wasting the CD in between 🙂

[arctic socket]

You did in fact mention that and I overlooked it

Ah yeah, another thing you may wanna practice is using elusiveness

[gloomy jacinth]

No problem at all. Looking at the log from mists I sent earlier, I have 20 casts of KB and only 16 of shivs 😄 sometimes in the heat of m+ I forget to press it even on KB 😄

[iron ivy]

Hahaha sounds familiar

[iron ivy]

What's elusiveness - nvm talent

[arctic socket]

Feint damage reduction

Talent

Instead of cheat death

On higher keys it’s mandatory

[gloomy jacinth]

Weeeeeeell... I like cheat death 😄 it saved me so much of deaths and gave so much heart attacks to my healer 😄 But I'll try

[grim jay]

depending on how high you go it isnt really a choice anyways

you will have to play elusiveness at some point

[iron ivy]

Any other mandatory talents on higher Keys?

[reef ravine]

iron wire

instead of second shiv

[lament stump]

single best talent in any rogue tree btw

[gloomy jacinth]

My favorite too, I feel usefull just because of that talent 😄

Plus aoe blind with damage reduction and interrupt 😄

[royal lantern]

dont shittalk Shadowhearth like that

[arctic socket]

Double vanish is pretty sick

[lament stump]

so fucking real

dont sleep

[iron ivy]

This discord is amazing, very helpful! I appreciate you all

[lament stump]

when rogues get + 2 % leech on tuesdays when an elderly grandma is visibly struggling to walk to the grocery store

fire talent

[gloomy jacinth]

Anyway, thank you once again for help, special thanks to you @arctic socket ❤️ . I need to go to a meeting in work now 😄 see ya and good luck

[kindred hinge]

I mean Elusiveness is still not mandatory for now. You don't need it yet at the level of keys done

[arctic socket]

[arctic socket]

Name a 12 you don’t need it on

And explain why

[iron ivy]

Can't wait for feint to get of global cd

[royal lantern]

or a 10 lol

[arctic socket]

You shouldn’t taking such a BIG Dr

[royal lantern]

siege endboss without elusivness?

lmao

[arctic socket]

NW without elus? Fuck that

[nova aspen]

just dont get the debuff

[kindred hinge]

All the 12 I have tried I did not have Elusiveness but Cheat death.

[arctic socket]

CoT third or last? Fuck that

GB last boss?

Your healer hates you

[kindred hinge]

My healer is a pug they always hate us

[blissful cosmos]

!finisher

[kindred hinge]

But yeah will be needed in 14 prolly but since most people will not get over 12 it's notmandatory for 99% of the rogues

(Not saying that elusiveness is not better than cheat death because it is miles better)

[iron ivy]

Deathstalker stay under 50% energy? Or do they mean something else? 🙂

[kindred hinge]

If above 50 energy. Dump. If under pool while maintenaint envenom buff

[iron ivy]

Why exactly?

[novel star]

Yes if you’re running sanguine blades

[iron ivy]

Right

[novel star]

sanguine blades leeching your energy above 50% = less finishers = less mark cycles

just cucks your hero talent

[reef ravine]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[iron ivy]

Alright. I have issues with retaining enough energy in single target, but I think it's because I spam mutilate & envenom when above 5+ cp. Should I sometimes just have some downtime and not use anything and wait for the envenom to reach its last second to reapply?

And above 50% energy dump into garrote and rupture I assume

[kindred hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

you should always do that outside of shiv

mashing envenom is bad

you will eventually run out of energy no matter what you do

but the energy you spend will be more efficient if you don’t waste half your envenom buff by reapplying early

[iron ivy]

Thanks! 😄

I'ma go practice this on the dummy, will be back with more questions probably

[grim jay]

kinda fun trinket

[crisp pine]

Holy, you can actually loot coins for the survivor's bag of coins from humanoids in Khaz Algar
I think it just didn't work in DF for some reason iirc

[spring prawn]

is it just me or does it feel very inefficient to press snd in first pull of dungeon? feels like i loose a ton of dmg

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor wanted to test a weird theory i had inside my head.Reinstall whispyr package=>put stuff on AH.Turns out It works,everything gets instantly sold.We are back on sales baby(237k gold 🤝 )

[glacial crypt]

I don't think these are my exact words

[chilly mist]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[grim jay]

just you

[novel star]

that is cope yeah

snd very good

buffs yr kingsbane !

buffs lots of things really it’s just a good effect

[open marlin]

we just have to wait like 2.5 weeks and we won't have to worry about it

[novel star]

is it that soon

i thought 11.0.5 would be like mid-late nov

[reef ravine]

its good it just feels bad to press

[novel star]

is there a date

[open marlin]

10/22

[novel star]

oh fr?

that’s badass if true actually

hell ya

[past panther]

oh hell yeah

[open marlin]

wowhead's never been wrong is my copium for the moment

[novel star]

wowhead is often wrong but pog

uhh

[strange python]

The ingame calendar never lies tho

[normal mist]

It ends on my birthday

[strange python]

Always been true

[normal mist]

So cool

[novel star]

surely they take the changes from completely fucking dysfunctional to live ready in 3 weeks right?

[strange python]

Royal

[novel star]

right?

[normal mist]

Yo

[strange python]

Ur the coolest

[normal mist]

Fuck I dropped a tear

[strange python]

I caught it

[normal mist]

Thanks homie

I hope you've been doing great

[inner surge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[lusty mountain]

34 runs but i got it finally

[novel star]

grats man

turns around and grinds my teeth very very angrryyy grrrr grrrr

turns around again

nice drop !

[lusty mountain]

HAHAHAHAHAH

thx!!!

[novel star]

i haven’t counted my runs yet

depressed

[lusty mountain]

i'll send you all the luck and support

[modest gale]

skardyns doesnt sync with deathmark?

[spice spire]

It does

Except for the affix this week

[modest gale]

cause i get it back during dm and kb

[spice spire]

Lowers dm not trinkets

[modest gale]

oh

[modest gale]

cringe

[spice spire]

Ye

[modest gale]

cya next week

so hold dm or pop trinket during dm and kb?

[pliant remnant]

I imagine you'd wanna hold

[nova aspen]

yea im still doing the same deathmark timings

just weird seeing it available when i know the trinket isnt

[royal lantern]

ye

cringe af

like all CDR things

CDR can burn in hell

[chilly mist]

For m+ players. I haven't seen anyone doing this so I figured I'd share. Your Lingering Darkness will carry into the key after it starts. So you can setup your slice, Deathmark and then vanish to break Deathmark early to receive the buff 2-3 sec before pull. (Seems to be a slight delay between Vanishing and receiving the buff)

[strange python]

Ayyyy nice

[faint path]

paid 200k for this worth?

[vocal minnow]

no - just loot it from vault myth track

[strange python]

Are you guys doing 6s if needed on the skardyns grind? And prepared to max out the champs path? My Rio's not amazing, like 2.3k ATM but given the competition for GB anything 7+ is luck if I'm invited

[faint path]

I would suicide if I get myth track this week

[blazing pumice]

@strange python waste of time

the trinket isn't even that good this week

[spice spire]

[blazing pumice]

there's a delve trinket that is exactly the same but has haste on it

[spice spire]

There aren’t 3 other m+ weeks and raid

[strange python]

Yeah I guess this week it's not, but as a guild we've just cleared HC and now venturing into mythic....aside from one myth track piece from vault I'm max 619 elsewhere anyway

Seemed sensible to use runes on hard bis trinket, even on champ path no?

[blazing pumice]

runes are worthless

you'll be nearly capped on gear you can upgrade with runes this week

[strange python]

How so

[grim jay]

?

[normal mist]

Wait what trinket

[grim jay]

thats cap

[blazing pumice]

for m+

it's still good for raid

skaryrns

or w/e

[spice spire]

With pretty sure it’s ascendency

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[spice spire]

Which has a cast timer

Which I feel is lost

[grim jay]

its still the best if you dont have transmitter with 20% cdr

and they changed affix to 50%

[rotund oak]

[blazing pumice]

?

runes only take gear up to 619

idk where your runes are going

[spice spire]

Runed is what he means

[normal mist]

Yeah I have serum and it sucks

[spice spire]

Took me a second on crests

[rotund oak]

yeah most likely

[spice spire]

I mean

Numerically it doesn’t suck

[rotund oak]

almost had a storke reading that

[normal mist]

Fuck numerically

[spice spire]

But it causes fuck ups on cast

[normal mist]

I have to CAST IT

[grim jay]

thats your age

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

Bold words, kitten.

[normal mist]

We are all old here

[glacial crypt]

[glacial crypt]

Speak for yourself

[grim jay]

sap is like double my age

[spice spire]

Look at his pfp

[grim jay]

no matter if im old

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

No person can make it to 140 bud

[glacial crypt]

Oop

[grim jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1291733615167799296/image.png?ex=67012c2d&is=66ffdaad&hm=e8a34da97e87590ff4f36e62ec40607af3a1d02cb55d3936d00005b98722ee45& you have to cast that aswell

[glacial crypt]

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

The timing makes it a little more palatable no?

Casting to launch CDs

[glacial crypt]

The timing is the same is it not

[spice spire]

Versus casting when hands of keyboard for 10s

[spice spire]

If you run double on use no

[grim jay]

kinda, but I dont mind cast trinkets that much

I didnt even mind puzzlebox

[glacial crypt]

Oh true tbf

[grim jay]

I do mind minigame trinkets tho

like branch

[spice spire]

I don’t mind any trinket

I am just an ape

And know who I am

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-2819702025275204679

[glacial crypt]

The only trinkets I dislike are the ones which control your movement

[normal mist]

You can move

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/fate-monkey-suprised-omg-wait-gif-21415850

[normal mist]

While casting

[glacial crypt]

Like transmitter is okay but galecallers boon was just annoying

Stand in this circle or shut up

[faint path]

when m+ boe startinggg?

[spice spire]

Bro I miss GCB so much

[glacial crypt]

[spice spire]

Dog?

[rotund oak]

some hawk tuah goin' on in here

[glacial crypt]

Galecallers can go away

And stay away

[arctic socket]

[glacial crypt]

Shrine of the storms better not return

[rotund oak]

sacrilege,i liked that dungeon man

[normal mist]

Go solo it

[grim jay]

I'd rather do shrine of the storms than them implementing anything older than mop into m+ again

[normal mist]

Ass dungeon

[rotund oak]

if i could i would

[grim jay]

(I know they will)

[spice spire]

I pray it does, just for the spit.

I’m not serious my own personal hell (shadowlands) returned

[arctic socket]

Should make stockades a m+

[spice spire]

So who cares what’s next lmao

[arctic socket]

And ragefire

[grim jay]

idk implementing stuff older than mob is just asking for pain

and that old stuff looks shit af

[arctic socket]

Quake

[grim jay]

(not you sap)

[spice spire]

Hi

Bro

[arctic socket]

Can you give me a hauk tuah

Thanks

[spice spire]

Go into raid and drink the potion twice bud

[glacial crypt]

WHAT

[grim jay]

there is a hawk tuah potion?

[arctic socket]

The new midriff tmog pretty sick

[spice spire]

I had no idea what was going on in bfa when I rejoined so SoS was kind of whatever

[hardy crypt]

regarding this, is a single point in vicious venoms enough to skip fan of knives in ST altogether?

[rotund oak]

the 3 ICC ones could be cool

[hardy crypt]

or do you need two

[rotund oak]

from wrath

[spice spire]

One is apparently enough

[glacial crypt]

Do I have to ask

[dull cloak]

stockades m+ when

[hardy crypt]

alr thanks!

[arctic socket]

Sure

[spice spire]

You’re late here already been asked

[glacial crypt]

I don't think I want to know the answer 😭

[spice spire]

I think ur right homie

[wide shuttle]

Is bubbling wax good for sin now that it's actually usable again

[spice spire]

It’s fine

[glacial crypt]

One dungeon which should be m+

[spice spire]

Easy money save

[arctic socket]

Ask away lmao

[glacial crypt]

Should be

[wide shuttle]

Lets go consumable costs down

[spice spire]

[hardy crypt]

how does it compare to mana oil/whetstone?

[glacial crypt]

Seat of the triumvirate

🙏

[spice spire]

Sim yesterday had one whet and one wax as +300

Which means

It’s within reason

[spice spire]

Delete this one big dog

[grim jay]

cheapskate

[glacial crypt]

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mod-discord-kick-mute-gif-495505587681287181

There wasn’t a gender neutral version

[glacial crypt]

💀

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderation-ban-mod-ban-gif-9351874248631360646

[spice spire]

Buddy you should know this you old fuck. Bet ur a coupon ass mf

[spice spire]

Honestly

Wouldn’t be the first time

[arctic socket]

Bro coupons be hitting different though

[grim jay]

nah, I still payed full price even with lowered taxes for corona

dont want those fuckers thinking im poor

[spice spire]

Dog I plan shopping at 3 different stores I do not give a shit

Gains are expensive

[grim jay]

what really

[arctic socket]

If you’re driving to three different stores are you really even saving money at that point

[grim jay]

I'm the type of guy just hitting the store with the best parking lot, so I dont need to park near other people and just buy whatever looks good

I usually dont even remember prices

ngl

[arctic socket]

Lmao bro says

That looks good

Imma eat it

Done

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s not an always thing.
Like if x meat/vegetable is on sale at y store. I just buy in bulk.

But I’ve definitely gone to three in a day before

[arctic socket]

Better get George something at every one of those stores

[grim jay]

I dont buy meat at stores anymore, always from the local butcher

[spice spire]

Like I still have 6 pounds of beef in the freezer from a few weeks ago

[arctic socket]

That’s a threat

[grim jay]

gotta get that shit fresh

[spice spire]

Not a thing here. Closest is where I used to live about 90 away

[grim jay]

good as in quality-wise

[spice spire]

Nashville butchers import most of the time.

[arctic socket]

People that buy meats at Walmart and places are a strange breed

[grim jay]

oh alright. around here they are really traditional with that kind of stuff

really huge places

[arctic socket]

(Walmart here where I’m at anyways)

Though currently you could probably pick stuff up out of the parking lot

😂

For some backstory the Walmart near us got flooded due to the storm so there was a lot of food everywhere

[rotund oak]

irrelevant question but cant decide what pup i should buy corgi or daschund.. what do u think

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

I’ve always adopted.
Always been partial to corgis; however, they’re very hard headed and stubborn.

[arctic socket]

Daschund

[spice spire]

But so are dachshunds

So good luck

[rotund oak]

well thx,im gonna still have doubts

😅

[arctic socket]

Be a man and get a ankle biter chu

Uh

Idk how to spell that

[spice spire]

Chihuahua

?

[rotund oak]

idk,i want something smaller for the house,had a cane corso for years

no those arent even dogs lul

ild rather take a cat

[arctic socket]

Yeah that

[rotund oak]

beagle,daschund or corgi

[grim jay]

ye like same with aldi and lidl around here, I dont get it. good quality ground meat from a butcher is like 17-18€/kg, thats a pretty fine price

[rotund oak]

those are the choices

[arctic socket]

All the meats at our Walmart are prepackaged and no idea where it comes from and some of it looks like it has a brownish tint

So I go to local butcher shop

[grim jay]

corgi 100%
I personally wanna get an ovcharka someday

[arctic socket]

His name is mark

Mark is a homie

[rotund oak]

corgi has the most funny buttchicks fr

cant stop laughing watching them walk

[spice spire]

Also only Sam’s Costco has sushi grade fish locally

[grim jay]

they also look way better imo, I dont like dachshund

[grim jay]

I feel the pain

I personally dont eat much fish

only if there is a market somewhere

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dachshund-puppy-dogs-yawn-gif-10640889304827348110

[rotund oak]

there are couple of good breads but ye what quake said about adopting is very cool as well

[spice spire]

I don’t either

[rotund oak]

but im buying one

[arctic socket]

Get a weenie dog

[spice spire]

But sometimes I want a nice tuna steak

Or I just wanna make some sush

[arctic socket]

Does it have a fish taste or a steak taste

[grim jay]

my fish consumption is limited to tuna out of cans and salmon in any form (not raw)

[spice spire]

Fish

[arctic socket]

L

[spice spire]

Can’t do canned tuna

[grim jay]

just get an ovcharka aswell

[spice spire]

Here it tastes like shit.
Idk there but it’s uh

Disgusting

[arctic socket]

What’s your thoughts on like shrimp crabs lobster etc

Because that’s the only type of “fish” I like

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-the-dog-dog-viralhog-stroke-the-dog-fondle-the-dog-gif-16664821955086113730

ovcharka are the best

[spice spire]

All great

[grim jay]

hate those

[spice spire]

Love seafood

[arctic socket]

Brotha

[rotund oak]

they look like flufyf kangals,those are significally bigger,ild take a saint bernards,the dwarf breads are cool as well but not for greece man,it will suffer

too much heat

[arctic socket]

You will eat CAN tuna but not those?

[grim jay]

ovcharkas are bigger than cangals

[spice spire]

Give him a break

He’s 70

[grim jay]

yes, because they smell funky

and I dont like the texture

[rotund oak]

yup they look pretty big,might be bigger than my boy now and he is considered big boy

[arctic socket]

Oh he’s old?

Checks out

[arctic socket]

Any type of fish smells “funky”

[grim jay]

an old friend had one, he insanely big and weighed in at around 85kg

[spice spire]

Yeah Davyn is old old

[royal lantern]

george is the best

[arctic socket]

Old ass

[grim jay]

I'm 28 biologically

tho

[quiet oar]

you are mid 45

[grim jay]

no

other seafood smells worse than fish

[rotund oak]

mine is about 62-65klg but he isnt rly fat,i didnt wanna feed him to give him health issues,he made it to 15

[arctic socket]

Seafood is fish

You mean freshwater fish smells better?

But both have like a funky smell

Worst smelling fish though are catfish

[orchid wind]

boys do we have to always have +4 stack of scent of blood active ? even on big pulls ? like on opener of a big pull, do we send the fourth combo point that comes from Bone Spike, into another rupture, or should i just CT and send my cds ?

[grim jay]

ye he wasnt fat either, he got him directly off of a shepherd, the parents were huge working dogs from georgia, those are probably the biggest version of that race

[undone flame]

Heyo

[loud trench]

Anyone who is progging M brood right now, how much vers are you carrying into raid generally. Survived the first 4/8M without too much vers and DRs but I know I might get whomped and some people are carrying vers for M prog right now

[spice spire]

If it’s a big pull fan just double rupture and hit the 20

[rotund oak]

hi there

[grim jay]

I forgot to add a word

[loud trench]

Obv as the item level comes up and we are less squish I’ll replace but 620 ilvl on prog everything is a 1 shot right now with how little vers we have without a DR

[rotund oak]

kinda proud to see him still going but time is running out eventually,dont wanna see him struggle or get tortured by health issues,might put him to sleep if the time comes.Still goes strong.Grumpy but strong

[dull cloak]

Does anyone know how CT functions in certain situations. since it does less damage past 5 target, what happens if you CT 5 targets, but then say tanks pull another pack and you run over to CT those new 5 target again. Are the damage still reduced overall or is it calculated per cast

[rotund oak]

max stacks if possible always,never settle for less

[blazing pumice]

does that weapon craft ilvl cheese still work

[arctic socket]

I got confused lmao

[frail rune]

what ilvl is the min to solo a +8 or should i not bother

[rotund oak]

wdym by ilvl cheese

[blazing pumice]

can't tell you sap

sorry

[rotund oak]

i did +8 with 608ilvl iirc

[rotund oak]

your loss baby

[grim jay]

bro I had that with my cat last year, strong 8.5kg outdoor cat going around kicking ass and suddenly barely moved. 15 years old, followed me half of my life and he was basically behaving like a dog. dont think I'd ever find a cat like him again. slept with him on the floor the night before he had to go so that he doesnt suffer for long

[blazing pumice]

it's not

[arctic socket]

If you craft. 636 can you upgrade a hero / mythic track freely with just stones

[zenith prairie]

I did 8 with like 585 it just takes painfully long

[frail rune]

ouch

[rotund oak]

yeah,once u equip it its considered as an ''upgraded'' slot so it takes only stones if its what u mean

[quiet oar]

Thats not correct

not totally correct

[arctic socket]

How is a question

Not correct

[sturdy stirrup]

does bubbling work for offhand or not

[blazing pumice]

confirm deny, has someone done it in the past 24 hrs

[arctic socket]

Huh

[calm tendon]

works

[quiet oar]

Its not just crafting it

its recrafting it with different / no embilishments

[rotund oak]

u need to equip it afaik

[blazing pumice]

can it be different stats

[arctic socket]

Alright so how should I correctly ask my question

[blazing pumice]

or different embelishment

[rotund oak]

doesnt matter

[blazing pumice]

actually doesn't matter

i'll just put some cheapo shit on it

[rotund oak]

yup

idk what tira means tbh

maybe im missing something

[arctic socket]

I don’t know how I asked a question wrong lmao

[quiet oar]

My bad

i thought you talking about waepon

[rotund oak]

im actually confused by what he means coz ik how the man talks

ah i c

[arctic socket]

Yeah idk either

Alright so lemme get it straight

[quiet oar]

I just woke up

im prolly confused

aswell

[grim jay]

just sip a glass of pre-workout

[short sedge]

Guys assuming I'm 623 ilvl but have a 619 dagger how fucked am I for parsing

[arctic socket]

If I craft myself a 636 I can freely upgrade my myth track offhand to 636 just using stones

[rotund oak]

shiba inu photos before everything else

[grim jay]

and why the fuck do you wake up at 3 pm

[arctic socket]

Right?

[quiet oar]

If its your only 636 no

if you recraft your 636 to non emblishemtn/ a different one

you can yes

[arctic socket]

So you have to craft it to 635

Then recraft the 636

[quiet oar]

Yes

[arctic socket]

And then you can upgrade your offhand

Alright

[quiet oar]

But stats dont work

need to be embelishment

[grim jay]

I'm still not entirely sure its worth the gold

[arctic socket]

So craft one with the dust emblishment

Then without the dust emblishment

[quiet oar]

Yes

[rotund oak]

yes

[grim jay]

dust embellishment?

[quiet oar]

I didnt identify your question as question thresh

[grim jay]

you mean griftah?

[arctic socket]

That’s the dust emblishment

[quiet oar]

Ye

[grim jay]

isnt it a powder

not a dust

[quiet oar]

Ye whatever

[rotund oak]

ok im done

u troll

[arctic socket]

Powder

Dust

Same thing

[rotund oak]

😅

[quiet oar]

Tbf

This bug

can happen on accident

[grim jay]

I dont mind a 3 day ban otherwise

tbf

[arctic socket]

I mean the offhand kinda a meme anyways

[grim jay]

well its like

7k

still

from 623

[arctic socket]

But hey free 636 pretty sick

[grim jay]

to mythic max

[thick juniper]

636 takes 90 runes right?

[blazing pumice]

ye

[quiet oar]

i doubt you can get banned by this

[grim jay]

it doesnt even work anymore

atleast not with the powder

[civic tide]

is there a point in macroing shiv and kingsbane together?

[grim jay]

no

because it doesnt work

and isnt good

even if it would work

[potent raven]

!restealth

[civic tide]

:C

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[normal mist]

Yeah it be like that sometimes

[snow kiln]

Bubbling wax casually critting for 692k on a 636 main hand 😛

[charred obsidian]

just out of curiosity

How much weaker is Fate vs Deathstalker in the raid?

[magic ginkgo]

So I noticed that basically everyone in raid has started to use sanguine blades in most instances, Do we pool above 50% energy now instead of below?

[royal lantern]

who is "everyone" lmao

[arctic socket]

Where did you see that

[harsh anchor]

Nah sanguine can sugma

[grim jay]

many of the top logs do

last time I checked

tbf

thats probably what he means

[arctic socket]

They do?

[royal lantern]

proving once again that logs dont mean shit

[static glacier]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[royal lantern]

even more on a stage of a patch where simple gear differences have gigantic impact

[grim jay]

well tbf

they usually get pi

and iirc SB builds are decently better

with pi

[royal lantern]

• this is "can you AoE pad: the Raid Tier"

[magic ginkgo]

It's a new development and only noticed when I was on M sikran today

[wise gull]

You can just switch R3 missive to R2 missive

[static glacier]

@magic ginkgo for the most part SB is a during cds gain

[wise gull]

It'll count as a second 636

[static glacier]

outside of cds it's much less of a notable thing since we're energy starved

while without sb you can easily overcap during dm + lust

[magic ginkgo]

I was checking most of the logs up to this week to adjust build since we were swapping a lot per boss but now that seems like the main build on most bosses

[grim jay]

idk I just did the grifter thing to test and it doesnt work anymore

[quiet oar]

oh

[wise gull]

You have to reload or log

It didn't show as working for me but it did the second time i checked

[royal lantern]

its not

[quiet oar]

WEll my recraft is a week ago

[magic ginkgo]

appreciate it!

[royal lantern]

stop looking at "top logs" for builds

thats 1 of the absolute worst things you can do

when most "top logs" are: people getting spoon feed externals, or AoE padding like crazy

[magic ginkgo]

well i was looking at the archon "most people used this" talents