assassination

[brisk plank]

Is ct getting nerfed or what nerf are you guys talking about?

[vale lantern]

I have to many warriors and paladins I’ll stick to hitting the boss 😦

[mighty crown]

oh no i started a bad trend i was just referring to our comp

play ct

[vale lantern]

Idk what do go t we were talking about it was still going up tbh

I think it was brood? @mighty crown am I right? If that’s the case I def ran both on heroic realistically I think I just run CT on mythic when we get there

[blazing jewel]

your chat ! commands were great content

need a new !ct one

[runic hinge]

Damn I was watching with chat off

I missed out

[drifting cloud]

what a hipster

[runic hinge]

I was at work half watching on phone

[drifting cloud]

you missed all the WORLDOFWARCRAFT triple yump memes

[runic hinge]

[blazing jewel]

or the parry

[rain wraith]

do you guys have that weakaura for transmitter than says CUM everytime you get the buff?

''Stand in circle'' ''CUM''

[slim pebble]

My brother in Christ what

Also you gotta link?

[rain wraith]

https://wago.io/MuSsmjIcR

This one

[errant mauve]

What ilvl you need for 10s

[indigo elk]

I think 615 616 is doable if group is good

[crisp stream]

"Good groups" , finding one in pug is a lottery

[slow tulip]

yep

[errant mauve]

Yea lottery is a rough one

[slow tulip]

i depleted 2 10s yesterday with full 624 group, 2650+ rio

its always a gamba

[fallen arch]

Lol thats rough

[errant mauve]

I’m at 613 ilvl with sub gear, 10s should be a cake walk

The cap on crests is really ducking dumb

[fallen arch]

Sub gear meaning?

Stacked vers?

[fallen arch]

If you have to pug them they reno cakewalk currently, what ever gear lvl you have

[errant mauve]

Yea kinda more verse no haste

[indigo elk]

P much yeah

[errant mauve]

Yea, kicks are hard for pugs it seems

[fallen arch]

I mean, I had a group yday in NW 10 that did 3x 1,7m overall. We had some bad overlaps boss 3 and it was ggs

[errant mauve]

Bad overlaps in what way

1.7mil overall god damn

Fast pulls less time in dungeon

Higher dps

[fallen arch]

Like, a mage blinked with that hook which missed

[errant mauve]

Ohhh

[fallen arch]

And then that affix fucked us over

Bye spears

And then 2nd try some other weird shit happened

[errant mauve]

Small mistakes add up, ounces = pounds= pain

My stats currently 33% mastery 26% crit 17%verse and 4% haste

So not terrible for either spec… when ever I go to sub spec though my mastery jumps up to 49% some how

[fallen arch]

17% vers lol

I mean, u can take an extra hit probably

[south prawn]

If u wipe first time boss takes like 3-5 minutes so annoying

Thats if everyone focuses the right target otherwise its a wipe

[errant mauve]

🤷🏻‍♂️ what’s wrong with my verse i still run sub in raid and I don’t have any other gear to replace what I got now in M+

[fallen arch]

Oh it’s definitely fine

[south prawn]

Im at prob 1% verse lmao

[fallen arch]

5 here

[south prawn]

Everything hits like a truck 🤕

[fallen arch]

Feint on cd

[south prawn]

Ye and good luck playing cheat death

[errant mauve]

Feint shouldn’t cost any energy and the gcd should have been removed forever ago change my mind

[fallen arch]

Don’t think u should play cheat death

[south prawn]

Wait for next patch 😂

[fallen arch]

Whats happening next patch?

[south prawn]

Ye its troll in +10s and higher

[errant mauve]

Yeah, his question

[south prawn]

No gcd for feint

[errant mauve]

Yea I know about that that’s why I said should have been gone a long time ago

Shouldn’t cost 25 energy either

[fallen arch]

Oh ye that shit is rough

Are they taking more personal deffensive off gcd?

[marble hemlock]

most personal defensive arent on the GCD

[errant mauve]

Just ours, cause again “fuck rogues” -blizzard

[marble hemlock]

No

Because ours is kind of broken

[errant mauve]

Shush just let me have this

[marble hemlock]

Compared to most other classes who have a 1min or 2min cd

[golden loom]

imagine if cloak was on GCD

[marble hemlock]

No.

There's a lot of things to be upset about. This aint one of them.

[errant mauve]

I choose to be upset by all but really feint isn’t the problem but again I say I’m not happy til the rogue rises again!

[golden loom]

worst part about swapping between classic and retail is going back to 25 energy kick on GCD

[fleet pagoda]

rises from what? when has rogue been bad?

[marble hemlock]

I just wish Feint actually worked on all spells that you'd consider to be AoE

[marble hemlock]

i mean, its not in a particularly great spot right now

[coral ibex]

i almost fully crashed out of my wotlk guild when they wanted us rogues to kick on vezax instead of the enhance and multiple dk's

[slow tulip]

i dont remember it being bad and i play since 2005 xdd

[marble hemlock]

rogue was atrocious in early cata

[coral ibex]

backstab execute!!!

[slow tulip]

i miss wotlk sub rogue

:/

[errant mauve]

Yeah! Backstab execute! I want an instant kill button so I can be world first solo raider

[marble hemlock]

but you were brought for sinestra to be a gouge bot, alakir and v&t so it didnt matter that much

[golden loom]

Sitting basically afk on first boss in AQ40 cause its arcane explosion cast is like 1sec so u have to be off GCD perma to kick it

[slow tulip]

those were the days

[coral ibex]

me and the 2 other rogues were consistently above the dks too so the raid leader was like well you clearly arent losing much damage by kicking

bruh pls my energy

my envenom uptime

[marble hemlock]

doesnt mind freeze cost runic power in wrath still?

dunno when they removed that

[coral ibex]

it cost a tiny amount

[fleet pagoda]

yeah i'm on board with this. today i learned blightbone's retch can't be cloaked but it can be immuned with evasion. ambiguity with where our defensives are effective hurts the tradeoff for the tiny healthpool and non-traditional defensives

[marble hemlock]

and you needed spell hit cap

[coral ibex]

they ratted out of kicking by saying they lacked the spell hit

"muh spell hit"

bro hit the damn kick

[modest nexus]

Hey bois, im new with the assa spec and it feels fun.

But every im out of varnish and cannot restealth its feels so hard to keep up all the bleeds in aoe.
Is this intendet?

[slate crown]

We had a kick rotation, I expected it going in

[marble hemlock]

kyveza can suck my nuts (disrespectfully)

[golden loom]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[slate crown]

with 2 rogues

[marble hemlock]

cause feint doesnt work

gotta spec elusiveness

[coral ibex]

so did we, and i didn't like it because it was

rogue
rogue
rogue
warrior
warrior
dk
dk
enhance

and everything after rogue was "backup"

aka "never kicking"

[fleet pagoda]

feint doesn't work?? wait on what on kyveza is feint bait?

[slate crown]

lol how do you remember your exact comp

I don't remember that shit

[marble hemlock]

and all the forced movement effects make parry a really dogshit and disgusting mechanic that has me cringe internally thematic and immersive experience that made me fall in love again with this fantasy MMORPG

[coral ibex]

because i almost fully crashed out over this lmao

the warriors were yelling about hotdogs in voice and doing negative dam, they could just pummel

[fleet pagoda]

i'm gonna have to go look at my logs and see what feint was "absorbing" now

[slate crown]

We had all of those classes too, we just had us do it, had comms about it

[marble hemlock]

doesnt work on twilight massacre

[slate crown]

None of us were talking about resources being used up for kicking

we just did it

[marble hemlock]

and cheat is useless on kyveza anyway

since you die sub 10%, with or without cheat

[mighty crown]

ad dashes in an aoe line that can hit other players to run into you?

[fleet pagoda]

ahh true

[mighty crown]

nah bro thats not aoe

[marble hemlock]

ikr

[fleet pagoda]

like the Manifested Timeways boss in DF that did the donut ability. I always assumed it was aoe until the hotfix that said "it's considered aoe now"

[steel geyser]

Just don't get hit

[fleet pagoda]

[fervent adder]

!wa

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[marble hemlock]

most falloff damage mechanics arent aoe either

the "deals area damage, reduced by distance" is not area damage.

[fleet pagoda]

ignorance is bliss

i regret checking discord tonight

[slate crown]

Doesn't stop me pressing feint

I just feint shit

[marble hemlock]

ye

[slate crown]

even single target stuff when I don't have elusiveness

cause I forget

[coral ibex]

when the damage occurs because of a single target ability sourced in an area

[slate crown]

and I'm like SAVE ME SAVE ME SAVE ME HELP

[marble hemlock]

im getting visibly upset

[coral ibex]

that's good shit

[marble hemlock]

everytime our DK talks about "Just live?"

i know he says it sarcastically but like

the 8mil HP DK with ibf/ams

[mighty crown]

rogue has got to be like top 3 weakest defensive class on kyveza

i could be wrong

but i dont think i am

[golden loom]

I just macrod feint into evasion aswell, just send that shit

[marble hemlock]

hunter is poop for sure

boomie

[mighty crown]

ya hunter is worse

[marble hemlock]

but we come quickly after id say

[mighty crown]

we didnt play moonkin so wouldnt know

[fallen arch]

Dude the amount of times my healer yells at me ‘just press feint’

[marble hemlock]

one of the many reasons to just play feral these days

you have actual defensives

[steel geyser]

Hmmmm

[novel star]

??

[mighty crown]

i dont think feint works for the blaze lines either baseline

iirc

[runic hinge]

Feral feels like worse rogue tho. Idk maybe I just die more as feral

[marble hemlock]

i specced fatebound just because i didnt wanna get parried, then i realized thats trickster and i was sad for a moment. then i remembered i dont have to play sub/outlaw during prog and was happy again. then i watched our frost dk live through an entire intermissions worth of blazes all going on him while even the tank died.

it was a rollercoaster

[golden loom]

whats so bad about that?

[slow tulip]

??

[fleet pagoda]

man i'm all twisted now. i feel like i'll be perma elusiveness

[marble hemlock]

one day someone will explain to me how this is legal to have in a class tree https://i.imgur.com/Ocktw8Z.jpeg

[rugged temple]

hi all- just popping in to ask - has something changed w/stats?... wondering why all my options in the vault is giving me gear w/fkg Vers stat? 😦

[novel star]

ur gonna waste energy and a gcd and a feint charge on nothing like >50% of the time u press evasion

[coral ibex]

hero class moment

[novel star]

feint charge is cope a little but the first 2 are real and not good

[golden loom]

feel like anytime I wanna press evasion I would like to have feint up also

[fallen arch]

Nope just get ilvl

[novel star]

what is feint doing when you press evasion to actually evade something

and not just for elusiveness

[steel geyser]

Class fantasy when it's useful

[marble hemlock]

nah

like

some classes get like

5% stam from class tree

think theres 1 or 2 that get 10%

and DK gets a natty 20%

[novel star]

necrotic wake first boss you press evasion to dodge the frontal

now doing that loses you a gcd and 25 energy

yuck

[fleet pagoda]

phys damage taken reduced by 5% getting meleed by zekvir for 3.6mil

[steel geyser]

They did the third war tho

[runic hinge]

Why do warlocks have 8 million health tho

[golden loom]

never done necrotic wake so that might make me change it

but also I can just make sure that I am on GCD when i press evasion

[coral ibex]

when they nerf warlocks, people make cryptocurrency. so they gotta be careful

[marble hemlock]

but ye, on most fights rogue is immortal

just not on those where they coded spells to just not be affected by feint, wcyd

[novel star]

[marble hemlock]

doubt its intentional either, its just some spell they copied to make the new ability, and the original spell didnt count as area damage

[fleet pagoda]

yee makes sense

[marble hemlock]

im gonna check now that you mentioned it

[mighty crown]

i am about 99% sure it doesnt

[golden loom]

okay but when they change feint off GCD, then can I have it macro'd? I will change it until then

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/OsQPMBQ.jpeg

[wise gull]

How many GBs we at fellas?

[runic hinge]

9

[novel star]

still gonna waste energy

better to just not macro defensives ever really

[mighty crown]

r u running elusiveness

wheres the other 7% from...

[marble hemlock]

ye

[novel star]

staggering them is vewy important sometimes

_<

[mighty crown]

yeah i watched other classes tank like triple blaze lines with defensives

and im just like yep if i cleave at all with no cloak i am dead

[marble hemlock]

idk why i have 9% mitigation natty

[runic hinge]

built diff

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/Gaq9n9e.jpeg

[fleet pagoda]

does that account for devo/atrophic?

• whatever

[wise gull]

Just finished #23

[marble hemlock]

atrophjic would apply before the damage hits

[fleet pagoda]

gotcha

they both show up as mitigated damage so wasn't sure how it'd look under the specific events

[marble hemlock]

seems like thats just collective raid mitigation, looking at the log

bunch of other classes also get 9% mitigated without any buffs up

[novel star]

[waxen oyster]

outlaw players prob gonna macro feint

into shit

[quiet oar]

Oh because i read selis name

What fucking range

has ovinax to parry

[marble hemlock]

sometimes i feel he parries with his tail

[quiet oar]

Right!?

[marble hemlock]

hes so massive that the center of his hitbox is like

kinda far behind

and moving hitboxes have always caused issues with parry

[quiet oar]

I mean KB wasnt parried ye

but my darkest night envenoms

[waxen oyster]

god

[quiet oar]

[waxen oyster]

could you imagine how tanky that spec would be

[marble hemlock]

i chuckle everytime someone says "skill issue" when it comes to parry, as if you had a choice that the boss has to be moved/turned a lot

[quiet oar]

That parry

[marble hemlock]

or could always stand behind

[quiet oar]

is still in the game

[waxen oyster]

if they played trickster

[marble hemlock]

i mean i literally asked the question in a dev interview

[quiet oar]

did they answer it?

[waxen oyster]

ngl

the fact they gave one rogue hero tree

[waxen oyster]

immunity to parry

means they partly know

how shit the mech is

[marble hemlock]

take that as you will but i did not like that answer one bit

[fleet pagoda]

nah it makes sense, big worm monster skillfully parries a dagger

[quiet oar]

Good thing almost every caster, casts now while moving

[marble hemlock]

certainly comparable to have your CS or KB parried as warr/rogue to a caster losing a GCD (that they fill with an instant cast anyway, and as if melee isnt getting punished MORE by heavy movement of bosses than ranged)

[waxen oyster]

Me when ansurek so thicc she parries from the side

[quiet oar]

I mean on kyveza

[blazing jewel]

arent half the melee semi parry immune already

[marble hemlock]

no

trickster is

and thats it

[quiet oar]

You simply cannot be 100% behind her

[blazing jewel]

like cannot miss attacks in the class tree or something

[marble hemlock]

nah parry is still very much a thing for everybody

[quiet oar]

Subs sec tech cant be parried

[marble hemlock]

most classes dont care cuz they dont get their cds parried cuz theyre selfbuffs

[blazing jewel]

[marble hemlock]

or dont lose resources/cd when casting it

[quiet oar]

im not sure if flag can be parried

[marble hemlock]

meanwhile you lose animcharged CP and darkest night buffs when getting parried

without getting the effect

[novel star]

ah yeah my big lethal poison injection being parried is rly enhancing the rogue fantasy

[marble hemlock]

and KB parry obviously

warrior is madging as well

especially arms

cause skullsplitter and CS can both be parried

[waxen oyster]

you cant parry bte

[novel star]

fuck you

[blazing jewel]

all long arms being removed

[novel star]

pirate

[blazing jewel]

and parry still in the gane

[novel star]

[blazing jewel]

login

[quiet oar]

ye

and if its "such" a big part of melee gameplay

why did they remove it in M+ !?

🙂

[novel star]

cuz m+ is esports!!!!!

[fleet pagoda]

man don't give them ideas

[keen rover]

That makes sense. Reading this made me realize why in m plus Id be thinking "I know I just hit that ability" "huh I guess not"

[charred obsidian]

ive been so unlucky resently lol

[marble hemlock]

thats not really intentional, its just that bosses in dungeons typically arent +3 moblevel but +2

[keen rover]

Could be that I didnt I guess lol

[marble hemlock]

which just happens to push parry off the hittable

[fleet pagoda]

i'm surprised they removed parry from dawnbreaker last boss, iridikron was parrying to the end in DF

[marble hemlock]

every boss that is still +3 moblevel very much parries

i.e. rashanan

[quiet oar]

yeah true

[slow tulip]

ranged rogue pls - with crossbow

[quiet oar]

but they fixed rashanan

[marble hemlock]

although idk if they coded rashanan to not parry

[quiet oar]

ye

[charred obsidian]

ive had people brick my key 4 times in 1 day by rage quitting when they die alone lol

[quiet oar]

I mean

[novel star]

would prefer a gunslinger

[fleet pagoda]

got hotfixed to no longer parry

[quiet oar]

Iridikron

could parry

[marble hemlock]

ye

[charred obsidian]

sad times

[marble hemlock]

helya

odin

[novel star]

bow user is too hunter

need a pistol class

[waxen oyster]

I had a mild case of key terrorism today

[novel star]

that isnt outlaw

[marble hemlock]

psure sbs could still get deflected in DF

[waxen oyster]

ele shaman thunderstorm knocked an exploding spider in arakara

towards me

[novel star]

lmao

banger

[waxen oyster]

someone at blizz

playtested no long arms

with those spiders

and said this is fine

[quiet oar]

what if

ambush gets parried

[marble hemlock]

idk

after playing ovinax and kyveza

[quiet oar]

do you still get deathstalker

[marble hemlock]

i dont think anybody played melee for more than 2 minutes on those fights

or they wouldve realized how dogshit they are

[charred obsidian]

best thing is when someone knocks all enemies away in all directions

[marble hemlock]

visual clarity on broodtwister is nonexistant

[novel star]

m ovinax looks like melee hell

lmfao

[charred obsidian]

and all of them cast

[novel star]

not excited to fight that one day

[marble hemlock]

can look at any log and youll see melee have like ~3x the hits of vile discharge

[quiet oar]

Ye

[marble hemlock]

cuz its impossible to see under the bosses fat ass or even just the big eggs

[waxen oyster]

funny story

our dh stopped dropping darkness on one set

because it made puddle visibility worse

[quiet oar]

AMZ is sthe same

Idk

i feel like

[novel star]

game blows cock

[charred obsidian]

no u

[quiet oar]

now the melee range is the same for everyone

[marble hemlock]

we stopped using SLT/darkness in melee for that reason

and then you still cant see shit cause the dk next to you used remorseless winter

[quiet oar]

they thought about "how can we make melees life miserabel"

[marble hemlock]

and for some reason i need to be aware of its animation

apparently its essential

[waxen oyster]

blame the casuals

[marble hemlock]

that i know the bigass blue/windy animation next to me is going, that hides almost all other spell effects

[quiet oar]

waht about all these pets

🙂

If ther were a game blizzard made

where others pets are transperant

hmm

[marble hemlock]

one day, surely

[quiet oar]

The classic one

is a bm

with two cloud serpents

and Beast cleave

You literally only see beast cleave

and then

you have btw things like this

Where this STILL hits you

like the telegraphs wave, is like 5 yds to the left

[cerulean walrus]

The ornament has been obtained

Mandate is mine

[subtle tundra]

Feint is literally the most op defensive in the game I'd argue

With elusiveness

[frosty vigil]

Guys i just realised after 3 weeks that i have been playing with this one……..! How much of a dps los in% do you guys think this has been?

[subtle tundra]

Quite some

[quiet oar]

its a big loss

[frosty vigil]

How many % do you think?

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[fervent adder]

!wa

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[chilly mist]

If you give me your ingame name and server I could sim the difference for you

if you dont wanna do it yourself

[brisk plank]

30 brother, I feel like unsubscribing

[quiet oar]

about 2,5%

in the off-hand

main-hand prolly 5%?

[wise gull]

just did a run with a hunter at 73 runs

[quiet oar]

Just loot it in your vault ?

[brisk plank]

man stop please, i dont wanna hear more

[frosty vigil]

Superqty on doomhammer eu

[brisk plank]

30 runs in it would be a fucking defeat for myself to stop now

[prisma carbon]

Still dont have it btw. Luckily, I got transmitter this week.

[coral ibex]

i just learned about the /key feature of details

holy moly

goodbye keys weakaura

[quiet oar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/29nkAcb3Dq3H2AnGBAmJ5o

well

its like a

[brisk plank]

insane, idk if it has lower chance to drop or its the same for all, i know that loot pool for gb is larger but man its geting frustrating

[quiet oar]

10+% loss

[frosty vigil]

On aoe pack of lets say 5 then? I mostly do m+

[little tulip]

um would you use authority of radiant power on a champ track regicide dagger?

[quiet oar]

in ST

[little tulip]

or whatever the current good enchant is

[quiet oar]

in AOE its prolly more

[prisma carbon]

Most of these runs were also with 1-3 funnels. Guildies somehow got it in less than 10 runs, but i've never seen it after.

[frosty vigil]

Can you check please thank you for your help🙏🏼

[spring sigil]

I seen two regicides drop week 1 on my frost msge and then never on my rogue 😭

[brisk plank]

thing is i dont play as much so only thing i do in wow for days now is just spam gb, and this far im im refusing to do anything else until i get it lol

[stark yew]

just crafted this one last night as well

fml

[quiet oar]

its also 10% in m+ https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7ErZgKVxWZgrXmrBznEvjw

So any champion track dagger

is better

than your int dagge

[balmy condor]

not another

[ionic kelp]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

But swapping your main-hand and off-ahnd

[stark yew]

[quiet oar]

will gain you 7%

@frosty vigil

put yours 610 dagger in mainhand

[quiet oar]

Oh yes

[quiet oar]

another one

[balmy condor]

Int dagger scourge aiaiaiai

[stark yew]

[balmy condor]

MAMA MIA

MAKE IT STOP

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

MY EYES

[prisma carbon]

best of luck 🫡
i do feel like its bugged or something bc i dont understand how i could run that place around 50 times and not loot it.
ive gotten the boots with leech, avoidance, and speed....

[quiet oar]

30K + gold and 90 Gilded crest

[golden loom]

not the 636 int dagger

[quiet oar]

right downt he drain

and the funny part about this

it doesnt give you crest discount

[stark yew]

its close to 70k gold

[quiet oar]

[stark yew]

submitted a ticket begging blizzard and hoping for the best

[frosty vigil]

Thank you🙏🏼👍

[quiet oar]

wont happen buddy

[quiet oar]

Just in case you missed it. your 610 dagger in main-hand

its 7% increase

[brisk plank]

thanks bud, best of luck to you too. we must get it at some point

[balmy condor]

It’s not bugged it’s just a huge loot table for some reason

Like grim batol randomly has like 4 items more than every other dungeon

So the loot is giga diluted

Same issue with the int and str trinkets from there

[quiet oar]

Ye

Huge loot pool

many people wanting the dungeon

[nimble tartan]

we love wow

[rough hull]

WAX FIX YESSSSSSSSS

back to picking pockets

feeling as roguey as never before this expansion

[burnt yacht]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rain wraith]

they fixed it?

[fast garnet]

Hi, if I have the Darkest Night buff up do I always want to instantly clear it? Meaning casting another mutilate/ambush when I’m already at 6CP or do I just wait until I get to exactly 7CP? 🤔

[normal mist]

After every 8h of rogue I must play at least 30 mins of fury so my brain can rest

[normal mist]

Asap

[fast garnet]

Even if it means capping CP?

[normal mist]

Yes

If you don't proc your DN, it's like you're playing without the hero tree

[fast garnet]

True

[winged sun]

is this good in Grim Batol +9?

[balmy condor]

yeh

pretty good

that's with dragons removed I assume?

[winged sun]

i think we played with alot of dragons

u mean mobs

[balmy condor]

no I mean like

[radiant yoke]

How much haste would I have if I made an optimized ST gearset?

[balmy condor]

did you remove the dragon damage

from your details

[winged sun]

uh idk whats dragon dmg

[runic hinge]

from the vehicle

[normal mist]

Above 0

[coral ibex]

from the drake run

[normal mist]

After that is sim

[winged sun]

ya it is removed

[balmy condor]

yeah okay

good dam then

[winged sun]

i feel like i do less dmg in deathmark sometimes than with deathmark

in aoe packs

maybe they're dying too fast

[tawny junco]

It'sfun how in first week the +9 seemed so hard, now instead they're a piece of cake

[winged sun]

not sure what im doing wrong now will wait for my assa friend to login

[hot fulcrum]

ilvl?

[balmy condor]

yah, possible that your deathmark on your caustic target means it dies too fast and your kingsbane doesn't last the full duration

happens

but prio is prio right

[balmy condor]

bro is NOT crafting

[winged sun]

i was outlaw OKAY

got a 636 mh sword in bags

[balmy condor]

big crafta

[runic hinge]

passive trinket gamer

[hot fulcrum]

Have no ideas how to deal 1,6m overall. In Boralus I had max of 1,2 I guess and an evarage is 1-1,1m 😦

[balmy condor]

bro I'm in agony

[winged sun]

dmg breakdown is normal?

[winged sun]

or am i doing things less/more than normal?

[balmy condor]

CT bit low, caustic maybe bit high

but depends a lot on dungeon

[runic hinge]

I'm using 619 quick wick and 619 knife lol

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

looks fine though

[runic hinge]

trasmitter was killing me

(in raid)

[balmy condor]

like there's nothing out of place or whatever

[winged sun]

okay, ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

np king

[modern rover]

hey guys~!! off hand enchant depths or radiant?

[balmy condor]

whats your main hand enchant

[modern rover]

depths

[balmy condor]

then I guess depths

[modern rover]

dual depths?

[hot fulcrum]

with 618lvl

[balmy condor]

yah I mean you went depths for the single target

so double depths for double single target

[balmy condor]

seems good to me

[tawny junco]

Im trying to replace the fang

but can't drop any good passive one

[balmy condor]

I'll trade you for the skardyns

[tawny junco]

when I dropped it I got offered 500k

[modern rover]

murlok.io -> off hand radiant(22) / depths(19)

[balmy condor]

tf

[tawny junco]

I was like "I'm not gonna lose my mental sanity in this horrible place for 500k"

[modern rover]

so confusing

[balmy condor]

isn't murlok.io some pvp garbage

[modern rover]

no it's M+\

[balmy condor]

ugh

new aggregation website

fuck my life

[hot fulcrum]

we need an aggregation website for aggregation websites

[weary vale]

Hello guys! I’m newbue to wow(2 months approximately)… and been playing vdh… wanted to try rogue(assassination)… lvl it up to lvl 63 currently… but struggle to understand some things… when I press some buttons my bars change and there is nothing… if I understood correctly I switch to stealth bars… what should I put there? Is there any guide/video that explains these basics of rogue?

[balmy condor]

but why are you going depths if you're interested in m+

[balmy condor]

yeah gotta pull the data from all the other data so we can data while we data (none of the data is worth anything)

[modern rover]

Radiant is 7,000 gold more expensive than Depths! It seems like using Depths is just the better option.

[balmy condor]

most people don't bother with a stealth bar

[modern rover]

very thanks!! have a nice day

[balmy condor]

but for us the only change is ambush instead of mutilate

[weary vale]

Because lvling up I basically smashed any possible button(was levelling as outlaw) so have no clue about anything with assassination but watching some rogue videos and this one appeared to be more interesting

[balmy condor]

yeh but radiant is better in m+

depths is pure single target enchant

[modern rover]

But if you want to do both raid and M+, Depths would be better for both, right?

[balmy condor]

no

[modern rover]

oh

[balmy condor]

you would power

power is only very slightly behind in single target

where as depths is just bad in aoe

[runic hinge]

Old

[balmy condor]

I mean old cause its pvp dogshit

[runic hinge]

I was using it in shadowlands for PvP

[balmy condor]

but new cause it's pve dogshit now too

[runic hinge]

Yeah they just aggregate like top 50 io players gear without context from armory lol

[balmy condor]

archon/subcreation wasn't bad enough

we need MORE!!!!!!!!

[modern rover]

Okay, then I'll put Depths on my main gear and Power enchant on my off gear.

[balmy condor]

I honestly don't know what's worse

the people that pick a streamer and then copy them blindly

or the people that go on archon and copy that blindly

they're both idiots

but for different reasons

[modern rover]

oh...

[balmy condor]

I just can't decide which one I hate more

[hot fulcrum]

those who copy you blindly?

[balmy condor]

I mean those are the biggest idiots

I suck

[hot fulcrum]

but you do your best in it, right?

[balmy condor]

dude showed up today and asked me what my stats are

as if I have any clue

turns out crit is my lowest stat

very cool

I will forget that by tomorrow

but ya know

very cool

[runic hinge]

Crit is also my lowest stat lmao

[stable flint]

@balmy condor how much haste do you have ? I need to copy it for my haste value 😂😂

[balmy condor]

already forgot

[slow tulip]

oh no, not the crit

[balmy condor]

it's either 7k 9k or 12k

[tawny junco]

you forgor

[balmy condor]

those are 3 numbers I vaguely remember seeing

but I could not tell you what they relate to

or maybe that was a sim I was looking at?

who knows lmao

[hot fulcrum]

I hate haste stat. I always do sims for any piece of gear. And all the time it says I need less haste 🙂 And now I'm on 4-5% and it's scrying me. I don't really like to see such numbers. But it's just smth mental

[marsh zinc]

Is transmitter worth it over the grim batol trinket?

[balmy condor]

if you hate yourself maybe

do you hate yourself?

[marsh zinc]

Not enough I guess

[runic hinge]

I did last week but I don’t think week

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-gif-26471287

[balmy condor]

exile's weakaura saying "collect or stand in circle" is the only thing I hear when I close my eyes man

I don't even play the trinket and I'm traumatized

[hot fulcrum]

sometimes Because of situation around me and mental issues bcz of it

[stable flint]

Haste is somehow random for me in sims one sim it wants 11% the other sim it wants me to go down to 3-4%

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor can you run a custom apl for my rogue. My guild is doing heroic queen prog and I need to break the p1.5 shield. My guild is accounting for 12/27 raiders to die on the first pull in and our total raid dps is 4.7mil. (I am the top dps thanks to your stat weight sim)

[balmy condor]

chain smoking cigarettes for 35 years is not a comparable cancer to whatever the fuck you just pinged me with

[blazing jewel]

I tried to be your sleep paralysis demon tonight

[runic hinge]

Collect or stand in circle

[slow tulip]

jump jump jump

[bright timber]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

collect or stand in circle

[blazing jewel]

Parry kingsbane

[slow tulip]

jump

[balmy condor]

collect

or stand in circle

[runic hinge]

Jump 3 times

[winged sun]

i swear this grim batol trinket doesn't want to drop

[blazing jewel]

You know the disco ball lust weak aura

[coral ibex]

they're gonna nerf it as soon as i get it to drop

[balmy condor]

no I'm not editing it again kyle

[blazing jewel]

Can you make that for when KB gets parried where it blasts that on the screen for the duration of your parried KB

[runic hinge]

I had the Pedro one for a while but I had to get rid of it cause I couldn’t hear calls during lust anymore

[balmy condor]

get prefired bozo

[blazing jewel]

[vestal wren]

i could add a !transmitter to #off-topic
where you need to write "JUMP" 3 times and some other nonensense in 12 seconds or get muted

[balmy condor]

holy

[normal mist]

DO IT

[balmy condor]

who let him cook

that sounds sick

[slow tulip]

collect or stand in circle

[runic hinge]

I can’t wait to get muted

Cause the ball paths directly through boss

[balmy condor]

you gotta write jump 3imtes

or it'll post a message in a random channel

and you have to go react to it

or you gotta type in a random channel for 3 seconds

[normal mist]

And everytime it must be a different react that the command ask

[balmy condor]

yeah

react to this message in #league-of-legends with an apple

you have 12 seconds or you get a 3 week mute

[normal mist]

no access gang

[balmy condor]

that's thematic

it's in a ground degen

can't access your orb

[normal mist]

Ahahahahah

1 in 100 chance to be posted in a no access channel

[rain wraith]

Who do i need to please to get a skardyns??? at 45 runs now

[normal mist]

Gotta accept the L

[balmy condor]

yeh, react to a message in #shadows

[normal mist]

Full agility party

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

I'll embrace the L

[balmy condor]

yeh it's the purple channel

[rain wraith]

soon willing to pay 800-1m gold for whoever trades skardyns lol

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

MONETARY INCENTIVE IN MY VIDEO GAME?

[rain wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/mila-stauffer-whatever-eye-roll-gif-404525184989844258

[normal mist]

The forbidden channel. All the cool conversations must be there

[balmy condor]

(there hasn't been a message in there for like 2 months)

[vestal wren]

fun fact

you can in theory see all channels in a server even the ones you have no access too or private ones

just not read messages in them

discord 🍝

[balmy condor]

I expect nothing less from such a well designed platform

[normal mist]

To be fair I already lived long enough to see Armin peak

He's a real man now

[balmy condor]

true

he got his first spam bot ban

they grow up so fast

[normal mist]

XD

[vestal wren]

i thought of automating these bans

🙈

[cyan karma]

This good?

[runic hinge]

Probably in bc it was

[vestal wren]

timewalking stuff typically isn't great

[normal mist]

Probably the best choice

[cyan karma]

It’s hero track, still no good?

[vestal wren]

you should be able to sim it

but don't think so

[cyan karma]

Cheers

[balmy condor]

yeh all the timewalking stuff is just worse than other stuff from this expac

given equal ilvl

but if it's like a 613 replacing a 590

then sure yeah probably better

[cyan karma]

Yeah it’s my only hero trinket at this point but I was wondering if it was worth upgrading past 4… probs not by the sounds… tyty

[runic hinge]

Could be fine for the crest discount on the next piece

[balmy condor]

true

discount is good

[cyan karma]

Yeah right… I actually need to clear somthing up about upgrading… I’ve got like 5 or 6 hero pieces that I’ve been upgrading evenly to level 4…. Is that the way to do it? On max out one piece at a time?? And get a discount or somthing on the rest… I don’t really know how it fully works I’m only a month into the game

[novel star]

theyre just teasing me man

double pants before i get a single skardyns

[balmy condor]

banger

[runic hinge]

So let’s say you spend your runes crests to get your trinket to 4/6 the next hero trinket you get will only need valor stones to upgrade. Well you’ll need to do that for both trinkets but for most other pieces if you get something lower ilvl you can upgrade it to the highest ilvl you’ve had in that slot

Trinkets you need both of them at an ilvl to get the discount

Most people upgrade main hand first. Then trinkets then your large stat pieces. Helm chest legs and then kinda whatever after that

[novel star]

i cant take it anymore

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[normal mist]

Trinket / rings gang

[brisk plank]

so you dont need 619 in all slots first to get the discount for certain piece? lets say i dont have 619 in all but want to upg chest from 1/6 to 4/6, is the next chest piece i get on 1/6 going to have discount to upgrading?

[normal mist]

If you have a chest 619

Your next chest below 619 costs no crests up to 619

This on every piece but rings weapons and trinkets

Because there are 2 of them

So you need 2 rings/trinkets/weapons at 619

So your 3rd of that slot costs no crests up to 619

[brisk plank]

awesome, i was confused about that achievement you get when you have 619 in all slots, so its not required for upg discount

thats awesome, cheers*

[runic hinge]

Right. The discount is up to your highest piece in that slot

[normal mist]

That achievement let's you buy the tier above crests using 90 of the tier below

90 to 15

[brisk plank]

oh didnt know that either

thats neat too

[normal mist]

Since in theory you won't use them anymore on that character

[runic hinge]

Thanks for the help royal I am eepy

Time for

[normal mist]

Me too

But I'm working

XD

[runic hinge]

4:25 am lol

Time for sleep

[normal mist]

Amuricans

Sleep well my friend

[sterile chasm]

Hey folks did poison which lower dmg on boss work on ovinax? And lower damage from pools also?

[balmy condor]

yes

but probably should use numbing for the worm/spider

[raven plover]

hi, is the Bottled Flayedwing Toxin trinket usuable in Hc and Mythic Raids or am I trolling by running it?

[balmy condor]

it's meh

but it's fine

not absolutely horrible

just not good

[ashen orbit]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[half raven]

in m+ if I blind does it remove all my bleeds?

[winter cobalt]

Nice. Meanwhile my best overall with similar ilvl is ~1.5kk, and I have no idea how to take down that wall. Despair.

How do I improve? Log my runs? Look into the skill DMG distribution?

[novel star]

no why would it do that

[half raven]

I thought thats how it worked in pvp 😮

[novel star]

oh maybe in pvp

idk

[normal mist]

It does in pvp

In PvE it's just another AoE stop

[half raven]

Yeah I just wanted to make sure I wasn't scuffing myself in pve

Thanks 😄

[raven plover]

ty

[honest needle]

with anima charge combo point does it have to land exactly on the dot or can we do it at 2 or 3 combo points as well ?

[novel star]

wtf is he cooking

someone save kush

[winged sun]

no idea

just been asking alot

[novel star]

thought i was in the outlaw channel for a sec

[winged sun]

started assa yesterday, didnt play it since DF

[novel star]

u jumpscared me zeross

[winged sun]

[novel star]

[open marlin]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

is this m+

[nimble willow]

Before I keep grinding, I wanted to check if I'm missing something super easy.

I've been smashing through L7 delves this week, I've crafted the wrists and belt, got a good few drops from caches and the vault week just gone and week before. I'm ilevel 587 or near as. But fuck me, I can't get dagger drops. I've had a 590 sword drop, but I'm still running around on a dagger I forced up to 580 via upgrades, and a shitty 558/560 piece

Am I just unlucky as hell? Crafting is out of my reach for now due to cost

[novel star]

Yes

sadly

[nimble willow]

I've had everything else drop. Rings, trinkets, neck, all 580/590+

[honest needle]

?

[nimble willow]

But not a single bloody dagger

[balmy condor]

yeh just seems like classic "me single target oogabooga" type shit

happens

[novel star]

ye lmao

[balmy condor]

yes

[novel star]

im gonna try single target build and see how much aoe it does

god what a beast

[balmy condor]

my first bountiful delve a couple weeks back was a dagger

they exist

[novel star]

hes gotta be so fucking bored

after rwf

to run this shit

[hearty reef]

Never looted ritual knife

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not even a novel idea

this is exactly what people did in s3 and s4

[nimble willow]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[balmy condor]

except this time there isn't a 15% tier bonus that aoe's to prop it up

so it's just objectively worse

[novel star]

nah hes cooking

im locked in for this stonevault

i gotta watch and see him do zdps

[balmy condor]

the damage will be fine

[hearty reef]

Zps

[balmy condor]

but it'll just be like

5% more single target at best

[hearty reef]

Thats the funniest part tho

[novel star]

losing ct is insane bad no?

[balmy condor]

and he'll probably do good burst aoe and then it'll be labeled as good enough

even though the overall will be like 10% lower

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

like this is just history repeating itself

use build that does less damage as cope for "SINGLE TARGET POG"
it does slightly more single target
pivot to deflect any pitfalls as a valiant sacrifice in the name of single target
people show up asking when it's good to run
it's not
whispyr loses his mind for the 583rd time

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

and for the record, it's not kush's fault

I actually appreciate him testing stuff like this and making it work and whatever

it's just the continuation of that which really sucks

cause it's just the classic high rated streamer does a thing, community goes "omg hidden tech????????"

and now I have to like

basically defend my guide/theorycrafting

cause how could my guide be correct when hidden tech exists

[hearty reef]

Without a trace

[balmy condor]

and that's not kush

that's just

shit community

[mighty crown]

🍿

[novel star]

tab back into poe man

[mighty crown]

that games dead i prefer reading whispyr vent about being a content creator

[novel star]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

yeh, me and zerocool agreeing on it but people still pitting us against each other like we're fighting a war between ER and Vanish

fuckin insane

and then zero gets sick of people fanning flames

and shows up out of the blue to tell me to pin it

cause he's just as sick of it as me

[little tulip]

just got the mists dagger on hero track it's happening

[balmy condor]

[little tulip]

wee hee

[full palm]

Yo! Is Ironclaw Whetstone the best thing we can put on the daggers?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

gz

[bitter saddle]

So we use single target talent for m+ now?

[full palm]

Ty chief

[novel star]

covering whispyrs eyes

like a horrified mother

rn

[mighty crown]

[balmy condor]

yeah there's boobies on the screen vueko please protect my innocence

[novel star]

got u goat

[balmy condor]

watching my first pg-13 movie

but I'm just a tiny boy

smol guy

[novel star]

getting a little strange now legend

[balmy condor]

I'm losing my mind

I'm not hitting in maplestory

also I literally hid the cleave build behind a spoiler today

and now we got big boy rogue playing it

I'm cooked

[normal mist]

You never win

[balmy condor]

I will hit my gamba in maplestory

[hearty reef]

Wheres your bigboy rogue then?

[balmy condor]

this lever pull

that's gonna do it

trust

I'm definitely not pounding my meat against a like 1/150 chance

[novel star]

[indigo mulch]

I want to pound your meat.

[balmy condor]

ayo

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/giggity-family-guy-glenn-quagmire-seth-mac-farlane-gif-4660248

[strange python]

I’ve heard my name

https://tenor.com/view/nie-śpię-miasto-mnie-potrzebuje-nie-śpię-miasto-mnie-potrzebuje-noc-meme-gif-5600107272308592015

[heavy trail]

So based on bloodmallet, mad queen trinket not really that optimal for m+

[fallen arch]

Dont look at bloodmallet

Ew

[balmy condor]

what

bloodmallet is fine

it's just single target, 3 target, 5 target

[heavy trail]

Right.

[balmy condor]

which isn't really ideal conditions

mandate is fine but it's still just single target damage

[heavy trail]

Thanks 🙂

[balmy condor]

which is valuable but there's probably better

[heavy trail]

I just didnt' realize it when i got it last night haha was drunk.

[balmy condor]

I wish

I am too sober most days

[heavy trail]

It's weird that azj-kahet zone has a lot of pullys and lifts and things in it as if there was no skyriding lol

[autumn silo]

i need some help

[balmy condor]

same

[autumn silo]

got kicked out my guild for doing too little dps

):

[balmy condor]

not same

[autumn silo]

idk what im doing wrong with assa

[balmy condor]

well

would have to see some logs

[autumn silo]

i gotchu

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ravencrest/dedérpg

[little tulip]

why is this happening isn't weapon damage more important here?

[fallen arch]

Did they kick all the dps below you too?

[autumn silo]

honestly idk i got kicked while being off doing irl stuff

[balmy condor]

you probably didn't select the 610 as an option for your main hand

[autumn silo]

was playing without enchant and flask

since im a brokie

[heavy trail]

Well depending on how serious the guild is if you were not paying attention or whatever that might have contributed to it. But if not, and they did that and others were behind or whatever, kind of sad or whatever

[autumn silo]

they said theyre casual

[heavy trail]

Since i am only going to be doing herioc, I have to decide if I want to waste money on making some daggers or just settle for a hero dagger at some point lol

[autumn silo]

i was playing fine doing the mechanic i did fked up on some bosses tho

[heavy trail]

Shrug, depends on the content, the guild and the vibe. I am terrible at Assassin as I played MM until last week. So it's an adjustment. The good news is about bout 400% less terrible than I was 3 days ago thanks to this channel, whispyr, etc 🙂

[dim mural]

Heroic? Mythic? And honestly, if a guild just kicks you while being offline without telling you or having a talk first about what you have to improve, it might not be a big loss.

[heavy trail]

@dim mural If you are a people person need to avoid those spam invite guilds and interact with real individuals and such.

[autumn silo]

true the loot system is kinda ahh too

[whole wadi]

how come sacbrood on wowhead is listed as S tier but not used in the bis list m+ list above it?

[real pike]

shit I never noticed that, spyglass is indeed in the overall bis list

[unreal fern]

!haste

@stats

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[gentle apex]

can you link your warcraftlogs

[hot fulcrum]

!hate

oh, no such command

[gentle apex]

!myCabbages

[thorny crown]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/grrs4U6wnMzhfj7WLBw8wJ

sup guys
just got ahold of my second gilded craft, what should i create?
Another dagger perhaps or what should be optimal?
Note that i dont mythic raid, so get a good dagger in high ilvl only comes from vault otherwise

[indigo elk]

From what I've gleaned from the people around here, OH is the lowest priority, probably belt bracer or boots to get your 2nd embellishment

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

doubling what misericorde said

[full palm]

Hey! On large pulls like 8 targets what is the best opener? I currently do Ambush (no darkest night), garrote, rupture, crimson tempest, garrote, rupture, mutilate to get spatter and start FOK + Envenom

[balmy condor]

would recommend belt/bracer for your second embellish

[balmy condor]

usually would want to ambush gar rup gar gar rup

and then CT after that

your carnage window should be used to spread bleeds

[full palm]

That makes more sense

And after that its mutilate fok and envenoms

[balmy condor]

yeh, maintain CT, pump cds/envenom into caustic target

[real pike]

don't forget dropping DM + KB on the now half health mob that's gonna die in <10 seconds

[thorny crown]

Ah alright, so bracers would probably be best for me since i have hc 623 with socket on belt already?

[balmy condor]

sure

[brisk plank]

So i've got a question, my champ ritual knife sims 1.5-2% more than myth sac that i have in all multi target sims, would it be stupid not to run it then in m+ keys? talking about +10 +11
It just feels weird replacing myth sac with champ trinket, maybe it shouldnt idk

[balmy condor]

link the sim

[ebon notch]

Your pull counts kinda sus tho

[brisk plank]

Gimme sec

[ebon notch]

[full palm]

On two targets is it better to use FOK + Envenom if caustic spatter is up or keep mutilating?

Maybe a dumb question :D

[balmy condor]

fok on 2 with deathstalker in m+

[full palm]

Thaaaank you

[midnight atlas]

crit so low i get 1 cp in 5 targets need more stats

[balmy condor]

yeh surely

[dim mural]

Shouldn't it be 2 rup in a row due to bone spike?

[balmy condor]

sure yeah that works

[ebon notch]

One of these days you should raid more than 30 mins per week smh

[balmy condor]

ambush gar rup rup gar gar

same flavor

[dim mural]

Figure you waste combo points if you go ambush gar rup gar gar

[thorny crown]

i already have a darkmoon sigil dagger, is it still worth crafting the wrist in dawnthread for m+ or have writhing banding?

[balmy condor]

yeh ofc if he has the sbs charges then don't overcap yeh

[balmy condor]

whichever you want I guess

embellishments lowkey blow

regardless of what you do

[dim mural]

I assumed so since he talking opener on 8+ mobs

[balmy condor]

like you either get the 1% embellishment

or the other 1% embellishment