assassination

[grim jay]

Depends. If you plan to drive on the Autobahn one day, its always better to have more

But for real tho its called haste

[waxen oyster]

I feel like that tier bonus is largely not talked about

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[waxen oyster]

when discussing op tiersets

[runic hinge]

Remember when vendetta was exsang

And we played ct single target

[silk sundial]

Quick question about SoB. Does anyone else feel really weak on the last boss? I find it hard to do any meaningful dmg

[grim jay]

The whole Boss is weird

Probably the number one miserable experience in m+

[silk sundial]

It's all single target. So usual opener on the first tentacle. But after that it's kinda meh. Apply bleeds to the other tentacles as you get to them but cds don't line up well in my experience

Other than that boss I like the rest of SoB

[wind umbra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spiral pecan]

does feint reduce damage taken from swirlies on broodtwister?

[glacial crypt]

Haven't tested, just dodge them as much as possible

They do less damage post-nerf too

[wind umbra]

For weapon enchants, is it Authority of Depths/Radiant Power on both weapons or are people doing one Depths and one Radiant Power for Raid/M+ content?

[glacial crypt]

The difference is marginal, either on both weapons is safe

[wind umbra]

Thank you

[spiral pecan]

our rogues soaked 57 swirlies and 60 respectively was slightly an issue but they said they were taking less dmg but yeah will relay the msg thank you

[arctic tusk]

does not following one of these rules instantly make it worse than VV @balmy condor or is it still very small all in the end

assuming for his gear*

[balmy condor]

all the rules he listed are just regular ass rules idk

like that's just basic rotation

[magic ginkgo]

In ST fights while just playing envenom timer outside of cooldowns, should we always have 6 or 7 CP or is it okay to send at 5?

[fleet pagoda]

5's okay. just worry about reaching 7 for DN

[spring sigil]

Holy shit i hate the affix this week. Just went from a +9 SV down to a +6 because the blue boss kept getting shield during his own shield phase

Not fun at all

[fleet pagoda]

the emissary going away at certain points seems to reset some bosses too

valiona reset on my key earlier this week at 48% thanks to the emissary lol

[spring sigil]

That's my indie company

I swear they just don't test anything

[edgy orbit]

yeah, i had 3rd boss reset on my 11 GB

[spring sigil]

What a shambles

I wanted to do some 8/9s for some hero gear this week but dunno of ill bother now

[waxen oyster]

pirate week

[spring sigil]

Need rid of this stone vault key asap

[waxen oyster]

jk

[spring sigil]

Hate tyrannical

[fleet pagoda]

I think it's less abrasive for area-denial bosses compared to last week's affix, but yeah it feels bad having to hard switch sometimes

[lucid pike]

Why is sanguine blades not recommended for DS (vs. VV)? it sims higher than VV and seems to be overwhelmingly taken in raid

[shadow spindle]

guys is it worth using poisoned knife to land on a charge cp or you just continue normally?

[iron carbon]

Continue

[fleet pagoda]

don't do anything wonky to try and hit that hypercharged point, just hit it natty and send it then

the way of the universe would dictate that the poisoned knife crits and gives you two cp anyways

[shadow spindle]

ty

[fleet pagoda]

you can, it's still super buggy though. last i knew it didn't work on oh and if you died you needed to unequip and re-equip the weapon

[keen rover]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[fleet pagoda]

i think so. if gold's tight just take the cheapest thing and forget about it tbh

[glacial crypt]

This is a really bad habit I unapologetically have but you absolutely should not do this lmao

[fleet pagoda]

[shadow spindle]

oh also can i use the charged cp for rupture or envenom only?

[glacial crypt]

Rupture too^^

[fleet pagoda]

or CT, any finisher

[shadow spindle]

ok ty everyone

[spice surge]

No, just play normally

[glacial crypt]

instil the bad habits

who's gonna know

a cheeky poisoned knife never hurt anybody

[novel star]

except snd* but this situation basically never comes up and definitely never matters so

https://tenor.com/view/pingimonch-mingipingi-pingo-minki-pingi-gif-27642873

[fleet pagoda]

oh true

[lucid silo]

can we shroud the circle on queen in phase 3?

[novel star]

no

[wild birch]

has anyone figured out if wax works on both hands?

[novel star]

have to step to someone or just take the portal

[lucid silo]

cool thanks a bunch

[novel star]

rwf rogues were stepping mages

[lucid silo]

yeah ill probably do that

[novel star]

to have less ppl marked with the spread

[runic hinge]

Resets your amp stacks to 1 last I knew

[night summit]

is dawnthread even good? should i just make a dagger with ascension

[raven egret]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[raven egret]

^ this

[blissful cosmos]

when playing sanguine blades with death stalker we still always want to stay under 50 percent energy any way right

its just a talent for when we cant hit boss in raid?

i see alot of rogues play it in raid

i thought its cause of downtime

[iron valve]

pure single target builds drop it

[willow cloud]

downtime is unavoidable

[blissful cosmos]

i think its good on bosses even on pure single target

cause we cant always hit the boss

[balmy condor]

that's cope

you have 300 max energy

just burn your energy before downtime

you'd have to be off the boss for like 10 full seconds for your energy to fully recover

in which case like

[blissful cosmos]

how about rashnan when it flys away

[balmy condor]

what are you doing

[waxen oyster]

Downtime isnt even long

[waxen oyster]

so like 5-6 seconds?

[blissful cosmos]

in our opener it does alot with lust

[west crown]

Yeah only like 5-6 total for Rash

[balmy condor]

I looked up my mythic rash

those are the 3 points I overcapped

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure

[balmy condor]

you're telling me to take a talent

for those 6 seconds total

[waxen oyster]

sb is taken due to DN bug

[balmy condor]

in a fight?

[waxen oyster]

isnt it

[balmy condor]

imp gar is

sang is questionable

[blissful cosmos]

i dont know man always every top rogue on logs play it

[waxen oyster]

almost like the difference doesnt matter

[blissful cosmos]

almost

[waxen oyster]

and top log doesnt mean they’re the best

or running optimal

[balmy condor]

I mean just in the top 5 on rash, there's 2 without sang, and one with master assassin

[runic hinge]

They’re playing fatebound and only getting tails the whole fight

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

MA

[blazing jewel]

which demon picked MA

[balmy condor]

some EU guy named korimieo

[earnest remnant]

caught my alt rogue

oh shit

[glacial crypt]

run and hide they can't catch you

[earnest remnant]

nothing to catch

my corpse is at nexus princess

can find it there

[glacial crypt]

you'll be done soon

[earnest remnant]

could die sunday

got to like 40%

[blazing jewel]

just OT like everyone else

[earnest remnant]

in 30 pulls

[earnest remnant]

no

[glacial crypt]

we took

let me check

a couple of pulls

[waxen oyster]

whispyr do you think the average player looks at top logs

[balmy condor]

god I hope not

[waxen oyster]

past the talent and gear overview

[blissful cosmos]

83 percent of top rogues on logs takes sanguine blades even on silkran

[balmy condor]

good for them

[waxen oyster]

Ok most players dont religious stalk talent pages

for sub 0.5% gains

[blissful cosmos]

the bosses tleports so much

that you will get above 50 energy from not hitting it

[waxen oyster]

What does that have to do with anything

Most players aren’t sweating over tiny gains

[balmy condor]

brother you are thinking about this way more than the 83% of people taking it

[waxen oyster]

just play better

[keen spruce]

you underestimate

just how braindead the average player is

[waxen oyster]

very

[keen spruce]

average player probably isn't even setting foot in the raid

[waxen oyster]

you have people making up reasons why high logs arent checking wowhead guide updates

[keen spruce]

average raider probably isn't going into heroic

[glacial crypt]

fr I've not changed the ST talents I've been using since week 1

[iron valve]

average player probably uses the same build for every boss

[waxen oyster]

every day

[west crown]

I mean this isn’t very accurate. You should be stepping

[balmy condor]

excuse you, what do you know, you're retired

[blissful cosmos]

im just wondering how these rogues are beating and taking the clues

me

[waxen oyster]

nah let me check the wowhead guide daily

[blissful cosmos]

thats why

[waxen oyster]

to see if any 0.1% dps gain updates have been posted

[blazing jewel]

number go up

if you dont get the .1% optimization you will not kill the boss

[balmy condor]

I don't even get revenue split

THE AD REVENUE

[waxen oyster]

whispyr early access patreon

when

[glacial crypt]

I get to RELAX BAYBEE

this right here

copy pasted from whispyrs lovely wowhead guide and only ever change one node

wait no I've lied

[waxen oyster]

spend more time improving your gameplay

or farming more gear

[glacial crypt]

tricks, bait and switch and elusiveness have been changed

[west crown]

You don’t have 10 different talent load outs for every situation?

[glacial crypt]

this is what overthinking looks like

[waxen oyster]

this chat rn is

the dps bellcurve meme

[glacial crypt]

LITERALLY

HAHAHA

[west crown]

I only have 4 lol between raid and m+

[glacial crypt]

that's 3 too many!

You know what I've lied

I do have an m+ talent loadout

[west crown]

And one of those loadouts is specifically for Queen because my guild is stuck on it so it’s usually 3

[balmy condor]

I don't even use talent loadouts I just swap by hand

[glacial crypt]

now that is demon

[balmy condor]

I have no idea what any of these are

[glacial crypt]

well obviously a is a

and b is b

those are no brainers

[slate crown]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[glacial crypt]

[woven shore]

Lmfaooo

[willow cloud]

You need to setup a rogue set to host the guide and link your vods. Class guides have to be a primary traffic driver, not getting ad share is criminal.

[cunning urchin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-birds-crazy-hype-besty-gif-11649419

[royal lantern]

tbh, i have a different talent setup for IB and Spatter, cus otherwhise i forget swapping bettwen them

[balmy condor]

it's just how wowhead works

icyveins does a rev split

[blazing jewel]

I killed volcoross on prog with spatter on by accident

[balmy condor]

different company different pay system

is what it is

[willow cloud]

Wowhead is jacking you guys

[glacial crypt]

they took away the pretty rotation pictures 😠

[keen spruce]

@glacial crypt I didn't get a shipping confirmation

[glacial crypt]

FOR WHAT

[keen spruce]

tacos

tf

[glacial crypt]

listen thats @strange python department

[keen spruce]

I WANT SCOTTISH TACOS

[glacial crypt]

that just

does not sound appropriate

😭

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

This is why you have Reddit posts about ur ass bozo

[blazing jewel]

[waxen oyster]

wait @balmy condor does wowhead only pay you to write the guide

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

0 for ads or anything else

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

flat rates/hourly

[earnest remnant]

they pay him in white monsters

[glacial crypt]

and those don't even give double exp on cod

[spice spire]

And also the energy drinks?

[blazing jewel]

whisp for sure an ultra strawberry dream monster type of guy

[waxen oyster]

Ngl

[spice spire]

No shame for an A tier drink

[waxen oyster]

I had a white monster 2 weeks ago

[blazing jewel]

immaculate flavor

[waxen oyster]

seems overhyped

[earnest remnant]

nope, white monsters

[waxen oyster]

I know multiple people who swear by the manga flavor

[iron valve]

https://tenor.com/bh5uB.gif

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-monster-energy-gif-18509068

[glacial crypt]

monster is just

shit

[spice spire]

Amen

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-energy-drink-anime-gif-18381333

[west crown]

Say it louder

[spice spire]

I drink them anyway

[blazing jewel]

BANNED MAN BANNED

[spice spire]

Hate this

[waxen oyster]

I like c4 smart better

idk

[glacial crypt]

my opinion on monster has suddenly changed

[balmy condor]

it's just a large can man what's the issue

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-boy-the-boys-homelander-discord-mod-gif-15954932857040473362

[blazing jewel]

you enjoy being itchy while sitting at a chair

c4 beta alanine pog

[spice spire]

Blud is a fan of explosives

[earnest remnant]

same, but only when its used on me

[past bobcat]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

the smart line doesnt have it

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[spice spire]

I lost green name when I got insane gains, coincidence? I think not

[balmy condor]

I'm not gonna do it to him

[waxen oyster]

There’s c4 smart energy

and c4 performance

latter has beta alanine

[glacial crypt]

wait

green name would match my hair

[spice spire]

Do it to me

[blazing jewel]

[vivid seal]

hey guys anyone having an issue where kingsbane literally just misses a boss when casted? happened a couple of times tonight

[glacial crypt]

Parry

[blazing jewel]

PARRY

[glacial crypt]

xd

[hoary kernel]

Guys back when I quit halfway through season 3 DF, I remember when combo points land on an anima charged combo point it will play a ding. Do you guys know what that is? Because I miss it.

[vivid seal]

like wtf is that a thing seriously?

[spice spire]

Yes

[blazing jewel]

who has the grom parry warbreaker clip

[vivid seal]

kk lol

[south nest]

I'm new to rogue and i've read the WoWhead guide quick question - during my pools i dont do anything but get 5 cp, keep rupture and garrote on the target, auto attack and wait till about 210ish energy before i start envenom'ing again?

[iron valve]

you pool for envenom uptime, so you would be aiming to cast the next envenom when the current envenom buff is about to fall off

[tired gull]

waaaaaaaluigi

[ripe umbra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[iron valve]

!waaaaaario

[west crown]

You play for envenom uptime but when you are just dead out of energy then pool to about 200 then go again

[south nest]

so you're only pooling until the envenom debuff is about to fall off and then cast it instead of pooling to 200ish

[iron valve]

yeah, like Ares said, aim to slightly clip the end of the envenom. eventually you'll start to slowly run out of energy and not be able to sustain that, and then you pool up to 200ish and then start the envenom uptime again

while maintaining bleeds, rolling cooldowns, other things ofc

[south nest]

got it, thanks

[cyan karma]

I’m ready for solo Zekvir or hard mode… any tips?

[wide halo]

have they fixed bubbling wax yet?

[slim pebble]

Cry

[cyan karma]

If I can solo a 10 this should be fine right? 😅

What should I run on Brann?

[fleet pagoda]

his auto attacks were critting me for 3.6mil but god speed bud

[silk sundial]

Has anyone tried both the poison build with Vicious Venoms and a bleed build with Sanguine Blades? I've been running VV but after checking top logs, SB is used most. SB sims higher for me as well. Does it play very different?

[balmy condor]

link sim

2.7% is insane

[silk sundial]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bw65deJTTMJsnZvfnpUdg8

maybe i have a wrong talent plugged in

[gusty mirage]

spatter for IB

[timid vale]

was that mercurial egg buff today in addition to the one they did the other day?

[balmy condor]

yeh has spatter, I'm resimming with actual combos

[silk sundial]

mb mb

[balmy condor]

should be much closer

[silk sundial]

thats probably why

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/prt5vMbpAFhqqv4ydZo75t

yeh

bunch of combos within 0.5

[silk sundial]

makes since. I was surprised by the 2.7% as well

[worn tinsel]

Is assa rogue a high apm class like fire mage or is it more chill and less proc reaction heavy?

[lament stump]

been playin around in the wa settings, any1 know if i can get rid of everything except the green envenom buff bar ? i dont need a wa that shows garrote rupt CT splatter etc etc just want the envenom bar

[fleet pagoda]

is everything in a group? can just pull the stuff you want from the group out or into a new group and then delete the one with all the stuff you don't want

[silk sundial]

does it play much different then or is it preference? Does SB require less uptime attacking the boss, being more DOT focused, thus more forgiving on mechanics?

Or is it just skilled players copying a high parse build

[balmy condor]

one of the slowest in single target

[balmy condor]

sb requires that you spam as hard as possible to stay under 50% energy basically

[silk sundial]

I thought it buffs dmg if you're above 50%

[fleet pagoda]

all our damage is coming from envenom right now, so you don't want to take resources away from that

[balmy condor]

yeh

[royal lantern]

its mostly rng tbh, hoping that brann does his dispell instead of...not using it for 10+seconds, and that he doesnt die all the time/that the egg spawns dont fuck you over

[balmy condor]

it buffs above 50%

[worn tinsel]

Thanks, looking for something a little slower paced, fire mage hurts my hands for whatever reason. Looking for an alt new main and debating between rogue or feral

[balmy condor]

that's why you want to stay under 50%

[onyx rain]

man i am seeing conflicting data. we using mad queens over transmitter? or vice versa

assume we dont get skardyns because that shit doesnt exist

[silk sundial]

Cause under 50% means more envenom casts, more Deathmark procs etc. Just thought it was odd so many people run SB instead

[balmy condor]

you run both

skardyns/transmitter is slot 1

mandate/basically any other thing for slot 2

[cunning needle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[onyx rain]

ah

i see

even over sac?

[balmy condor]

sure if it sims higher

[onyx rain]

word word

thanks sir

[silent drift]

In ST, should you ever cast shiv outside of KB windows if running 2 shive talent?

[fleet pagoda]

nah

[balmy condor]

also shouldn't ever cast tea outside of shiv

[silent drift]

so when you cast shiv and kb with thistle tea, full focus is SPAMMING envenoms as much as possible?

at 5cp of course

[runic hinge]

What if I play something that sims lower cause it’s not stupid af transmitter that has me getting killed by mechanics while I’m chasing a dumbass ball

[coral ibex]

you vanish for improved garrote before deathmark right? not after (only in opener)?

[fleet pagoda]

yeah, don't let the bleeds fall off but envenoms/globals

[fleet pagoda]

for imp garrote yessir

[coral ibex]

👍🏻

[short comet]

this cap? I genuinely dont know anymore brainrotted

[balmy condor]

no

that's just the rotation

[indigo elk]

Hi, just a question when do we generally want to shiv on m+ packs ? After the garrote rup and CT? Or after env for caustic

[coral ibex]

shiv sucks in aoe, just cast it to cover the end of your kb

[fleet pagoda]

you don't really want to shiv in aoe unless you're trying to kill a specific target with your cd's asap

for overall throughput not so good

[coral ibex]

and there are mobs in current m+ that can be shiv'd to dispel

[indigo elk]

So we generally don't shiv unless we kb ?

[fleet pagoda]

for overall aoe probably not even then

[arctic tusk]

do peoples tempered potions reset on pull
im the only one in y whole guild
whos dont

not sure if known bug

[indigo elk]

What about mid size packs like those 4 pack mobs? Is the value also not worth? Just thinking how to maximise dmg and gcd

[fleet pagoda]

send it if you want

i usually press shiv when i'm sending cd's in aoe just out of monke brain habit, it's alright

[coral ibex]

i see 8s on my kb timer, i press shiv

just how it goes

[spice spire]

Real

[slate crown]

!wa That's my pack, if you only want the envenom bar, I have it uploaded into a standalone wago page on its own, you can find it in the LE Collection below.

[prisma monolith]

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[near vale]

anyway to make raidbots do 1 iteration lol

or can i look at individual iterations

[spice spire]

!selfpromotion

[slate crown]

I'll self promote u

[spice spire]

[slate crown]

[south lava]

Can we craft and equip 2 everforged dagger

[spice spire]

You good big dog or?

[spice spire]

Stabber

Dagger is int

[winged basin]

lol, its spooky how common that mistake is, I have seen it so many times xd

[south lava]

Can we equip 2 agility ?

[spice spire]

Yes

I just wanted to make sure you had the right one

[south lava]

Okie ill craft another one then

[spice spire]

Wait

Before you take my word

Tooltip does not say unique

Saved

[silent drift]

Do you guys think the crit embelishment will beat narubian ebelisment in raid at any point (upper Ilvl)?

or is weapon emblishment just gonna be best throughout season

[spice spire]

If you can keep max uptime on embellishment it’s good

[silent drift]

what is considered max uptime?

[spice spire]

100%

But anything over 80 is good

Nerubian good tho

[indigo elk]

Aight thanks for your advice ! Appreciate

[spice spire]

So

[indigo elk]

Just out of curiosity , isn't usually the MH gives the biggest gain and crafting other pieces besides OH is the better option?

[grim jay]

Yes

Offhand is your least important slot usually

[indigo elk]

Great thanks for confirming !

[crystal citrus]

On court are y'all dotting up both bosses before deathmark and kingsbain?

[native spade]

when im running fatebound, how do i use vanish to guarantee 5->7 stacks?? im tweaking i feel like it keeps resetting

[balmy condor]

you don't

[crystal citrus]

Or do y'all just hit cd's and then dot the other bot?

[native spade]

could you elaborate?

[pliant terrace]

good god my poor pc on broodtwister

I can hear my cpu saying "im tired boss" everytime the little adds spawn

[lament stump]

thx goat much cleaner

[balmy condor]

"how do I use vanish to guarantee"

you don't use vanish to guarantee

[balmy condor]

gotta nerf the update rate on plater/details

[native spade]

okay what a pointless discussion

thanks for the help

[balmy condor]

[exotic rose]

It is impossible to guarantee mate

[balmy condor]

no need to get mad

it's just not what we do

[grim jay]

Oh no its starting

[runic hinge]

You don’t really guarantee. You just send and if you hit it. Good

[grim jay]

Why am I even awake

[runic hinge]

Play normal

[native spade]

thank you, thats an answer that clears up confusion rather than "youre wrong"

[pliant terrace]

I did that for details, where can I find the update option for plater?

[balmy condor]

wtf lmao he just said the same thing I said

[balmy condor]

advanced

[runic hinge]

Yeah but you’re mean cat ear pfp and I’m nice smoke pfp

[grim jay]

But you are listening to Taylor swift

[ebon heath]

Do you guys use mouseover rupture and garrote macros for m+ ?

[grim jay]

No

I either dont swap or tab on gigantic pulls

[still stirrup]

But you can if you want to

[pure star]

so does cloak not make you immune to blightbones cast?

[balmy condor]

not that one

[grim jay]

Its physical, isnt it?

[spice surge]

It does for the first 1 second of cloak

But you can also evasion it

[fleet pagoda]

evasion immunes retch?

[pure star]

so confused, it says its nature dmg

[spice surge]

Cloak is a stronger immunity for the first second, so sometimes things only get blocked by that and not the rest of the cloak

Why? Because

[spice surge]

Yep, thats just how it goes

[fleet pagoda]

yeah it seems kind of random in dungeons. first boss of brh has a frontal that's shadow damage. i learnt that it can't be cloaked

[spice surge]

Yes

[pure star]

so youre telling me i was 0.1 seconds too quick on that cloak cast?

[spice surge]

Yep

[pure star]

i hate this place

[still stirrup]

Join the queue

[fair star]

I propose a new term for this:
Limp Pulling, because the mob is on its last legs and limping along

[balmy condor]

I'm a fan of limp pulling

banger term

I typically just call it "dogshit tanking"

[keen spruce]

ye

chaining and limping gud

[glad cliff]

should i use fan of knvies when i have the clear the witneses proc? sim doesnt use fan of knives in st (sikran boss)

[magic ginkgo]

any giga tech to make transmitter trinket more visible in a clump of melee?

[fleet pagoda]

if you're using vicious venoms, you don't use FoK in st. otherwise sure

[glad cliff]

and if i have 1 point only on vicious

[fleet pagoda]

if robot said don't do it i'd just take robot's advice on 'er

[runic hinge]

What about when the affix spawns as the last mob dies so I’m stuck in combat with just that but the tank has already run off

[south lava]

Do we use tea in ST burst even if we have energy or should wait for energy starve to use tea

I mean hold the tea

[runic hinge]

Wait until you get the energy from it. Don’t over cap

[south lava]

I feel like i’m using my 3 stacks too fast

[fleet pagoda]

the suggested tech is pairing it with shiv if you won't overcap energy from pressing it. you should always wind up with one use available for every cd window at least

so don't necessarily chug them consecutively for energy

[west crown]

Realistically you shouldn’t run out of tea until second or third kingsbane and at that point you should have more charges

[fleet pagoda]

otherwise good, be low on charges, it means you're using resources

[onyx rain]

we willed it into existance. picked up transmitter and mad queens tonight

[south lava]

Sacbrood and spyglass good ? I dont have skardyn yet😢

[indigo elk]

Just SIM it , hard to tell without gear and what you have

[west crown]

With good ilvl they are good. Maybe not your best but good

[unreal parcel]

!Fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen remnant]

hey, vanish+ambush should always apply deathstalker's mark?

[winged basin]

are you playing imp garrote?

[keen remnant]

yeap

[winged basin]

then you want to garrote

[keen remnant]

I just want to understand if vanish + ambush should apply deathstalker's mark

because I messed up opener and used vanish thinking I could get deathstalker

[west crown]

Yes it should work

[winged basin]

ahh, yeah it does, sorry reading comphrehension is bad, past my bed time

[frigid pilot]

any1 here killed ovinax mythic?

[keen remnant]

hmm I think I see the problem

[frigid pilot]

why does CT feel like ass, i feel like envenom spam is better i got too many padders in my roster parasites get blown up

[keen remnant]

somehow mutilate got out before ambush

lol

[winged basin]

I dont like CT on brood personally, I just go Hybrid with caustic and call it a day

[west crown]

If you aren’t getting consistent death grips CT isn’t too good. Good for a 1 casts per group of adds with death grip

Spatter will get you a lot more damage

[keen remnant]

how is this possible? there is delay between vanish changing stance bar?

I dont have mutilate in my bar while stealth

[west crown]

I mean if you qued a mutilate and vanished that may explain it.

[keen remnant]

should I lower my queue window?

[frigid pilot]

yeah feels cleaner just playin hybrid

[keen remnant]

this happen really often

[frigid pilot]

i use CT and it does 8 mil only in an add phase

[raven egret]

well, week isnt a complete waste

[west crown]

Am I crazy for thinking double vanish may be good to try on brood for bleed spread?

[balmy condor]

yes\

fully insane

[glacial crypt]

If you're not getting a lot of value from it, Caustic spam is also good

Unless you're having major problems killing the adds I don't believe CT is great

Whispyr has a different opinion though

[frigid pilot]

wats his opinion on it

[earnest remnant]

ct goodge

[balmy condor]

CT is boss damage increase

people just like doing less damage

[glacial crypt]

[frigid pilot]

🤔

[balmy condor]

will do anything to min-max

except the obvious thing

[frigid pilot]

hmm

[static glacier]

i mean if his spiders / worms get insta evaporated by his squad of 4 warrriors and 6 dks

[runic hinge]

I will do anything for love but I won’t do that

[spice spire]

No that four hour gem sim for 6k gain will fix my parse Trust

[static glacier]

xd

[royal lantern]

CT is allready a gain to use with the deathstalker FoK talent active in pure ST, and then mfs say that CT when you actually hit multiple targets that makes CT dmg HIGHER is not good for boss dmg

[glacial crypt]

later in the fight they don't^^ So even if your CT value early on isn't massive, later on it will be lmao

[royal lantern]

i cant understand those mental Gymnastics

[static glacier]

im not serious btw

[glacial crypt]

oop-

[static glacier]

wtf comp can fit 6 dks

[glacial crypt]

We ran 5 actually

[static glacier]

wot

you must have missed a raidbuff

surely

[earnest remnant]

filthy split guild

[static glacier]

or you mean 2 bdk and 3 frost

[keen spruce]

unlucky idk

[earnest remnant]

mfer raids more than im awake in a week ong

[glacial crypt]

no I've lied we ran 4

4 dks 3 warriors

[static glacier]

that's more believable. we have 3 dks and 1 warr

[glacial crypt]

bite me

[royal lantern]

make raid lockouts acc wide

[static glacier]

1 bdk, 2 frost, 1 fury

[glacial crypt]

AYO RELAX

[spice spire]

@ebon notch

[royal lantern]

NO

[glacial crypt]

2 FROST 2 BLOOD

3 FURY

[royal lantern]

[glacial crypt]

[winged sun]

sup ass players

im an ass player too now

[glacial crypt]

[static glacier]

imagine if we could have udks back

[winged sun]

biggest ass blaster in town

[static glacier]

i liked uh more than this frost nonsense

[glacial crypt]

[royal lantern]

you mean in 4weeks when they nuked frost?

[static glacier]

im predicting the nerfs in 2 weeks

[glacial crypt]

no freaking nerfs

😠

[royal lantern]

ye but im talking about the 2nd nerf that is overkill that happens

[static glacier]

they deserve it

[royal lantern]

[static glacier]

spec is doing more pressing oblit every global than we are managing 6 debuffs

like wut

[runic hinge]

You’ve never blasted a single ass

[glacial crypt]

"managing" is very

err

xd

[static glacier]

it's categorically true

[balmy condor]

the craziest thing to me is people going like "oh thrown precision is so good, take it"

and then not taking CT

people just fully missing the plot at this point

[glacial crypt]

listen "whispyr" i've had e-freaking-nough of these antics you're pulling

first no tricks and now PADDING?

[balmy condor]

it's literally more single target

[glacial crypt]

[static glacier]

today's wipes overall dmg

my bar is small

his bar is big

[glacial crypt]

show boss damage

coward

[static glacier]

😠

[winged sun]

guys

when do i press fan of knives on st?

[static glacier]

bossdam, he gets pi tho

[winged sun]

what are the rules on fan of knives

couldnt find it on wowhead

[glacial crypt]

now THAT is the juice

[winged sun]

[glacial crypt]

in ST without VV when you have the little buff

I don't know it's name but it's a little grey icon

[winged sun]

whats the "little" buff

[spice spire]

Clear the witnesses

[static glacier]

jokes aside we just need to get through the fight without silly deaths / egg misses and it's a kill

[spice spire]

Consume dn get ctw

[glacial crypt]

it'll happen 🙏

[static glacier]

getting to 6m consistently now

[winged sun]

and when i have spatter up i spam fan of knives on how many targets? regardless of clear the witness while having spatter up?

[static glacier]

i reckon it dies on mon

[spice spire]

Contextual

But it’s fine to do

Like two/3 mobs nah

[winged sun]

like i can spam fok on 2 targets ya

[static glacier]

i think 3 is aight

[spice spire]

Fok on two is fine

[static glacier]

2 is deffo no

no shot 2t is worth

[spice spire]

2t is contextuallyniirc

[balmy condor]

fok on 3 or more, 2 or more if you're running thrown precision deathstalker

[winged sun]

i want the most dps

[earnest remnant]

we wil not fall to these pi abusers

[winged sun]

ya im running thrown death

ok

[static glacier]

another victim

[winged sun]

i still dont understand the target swapping

[spice spire]

Wdym

[glacial crypt]

step to the hunter with regicide

cloak

[winged sun]

is there a place where it explains it? like for example

6 mobs

[glacial crypt]

get back to your spot quickly

no one will know

[winged sun]

i can just garrote my main target 3 times?

[past bobcat]

We are 3 tanking brood zzz

[winged sun]

and rupture

[earnest remnant]

u wouldve won

i*

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[winged sun]

or do i have to swap targets for more dps?

[earnest remnant]

if we killed it 8 seconds earlier

[static glacier]

ngl i could push more bossdam but i play for aoe when it comes to a choice

[winged sun]

sheeesh big

[spice spire]

This purple femboy thinks of everything

Damn

[static glacier]

been sending teas on aoe

[glacial crypt]

Blame the healers for not doing more damage

and the tanks

[earnest remnant]

imma blame the people that died

[glacial crypt]

[earnest remnant]

so we didn't kill it at 7:40

but 7:57 instead

[static glacier]

on our best pull I did win bossdam

[spice spire]

Should have procc’d blindside more

Tbh

[glacial crypt]

alternatively have even more people die so you kill it later

after next CDs set

[west crown]

When you say press CT for damage increase do you mean press with crit proc or maintain

[static glacier]

maintain iff it will be on 3 or more targets

[glacial crypt]

maths something something

[west crown]

For single target

[spice spire]

Maintain

[static glacier]

you dont press it in pure st

[glacial crypt]

talking about specifically ovinax^^

[spice spire]

Ct is always a a maintenance

[static glacier]

on ovi ct is fairly high uptime but we still dont press it if there's no adds up

[balmy condor]

2

[runic hinge]

What if I crit clear the witnesses

[static glacier]

did this change

i SWEAR it was 3

[balmy condor]

technically should be pressing it in single target as well but that's too much brain power

[fresh kelp]

For Broodtwister, should i stay on boss and splash onto adds?

[balmy condor]

it changed in like august

been 2 for a while

[static glacier]

we just maintain ct forever?

[glacial crypt]

lol

[indigo elk]

Since our m+ spec has CT, so we want to CT for ST?

[spice spire]

Isn’t this bit like mega cursed situation

[west crown]

Maintaining CT is pure ST feels like I would run out of energy quick trying to keep envenom up and end up losing uptime on something

[balmy condor]

CT single target is left as an exercise to the reader

but CT 2 target always yep

[spice spire]

Like you’re energy is good + your envenom buff will remain active + you’re out of CDs + L + ratio?

[static glacier]

bro we're fucking back to ct st again

[balmy condor]

no

[spice spire]

Oh

[static glacier]

new twist the knife should hopefully kill this

[balmy condor]

uhhh

I don't think so actually

[spice spire]

Oh I just reread

That’s uh

Cursed

[west crown]

Can’t wait for the 5% damage buff from Twist the knife and taking double vanish and master assassin for buff uptime…

[balmy condor]

yeah I can't wait either for something that isn't happening

[winged sun]

!opener

[glacial crypt]

ily sm

[static glacier]

@balmy condor thoughts on rupture's for energy regen on last worm / spider up on ovi? been doing it but unsure if it's wurf

[glacial crypt]

the wowhead guide has a lot of openers with graphics depending on the build you're running^^ Should definitely check them out

[balmy condor]

probably don't live long enough

like sniping isn't just "haha I get energy = value"

your rupture still has to survive like 7? seconds I think minimum

[glacial crypt]

Sennarth small adds flashbacks

[balmy condor]

which I doubt you're getting

[static glacier]

7 is doable on a few of em, but just for energy is a scam?

[balmy condor]

yes

[static glacier]

guessing the loss of dn / envs aint worth

[glacial crypt]

Maths is wild

[royal iron]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s pretty straightforward

You have combo points and energy to spend on something

[glacial crypt]

TO YOU

[slate crown]

Maths do be wildin out

[balmy condor]

You could spend it on instant damage

[frigid pilot]

playing without dashing scoundrel

feels like ASS

[balmy condor]

Or a rupture which gives energy back

[frigid pilot]

im starved

[keen spruce]

y no do ddis

[frigid pilot]

my haste ius low too

14%

[glacial crypt]

Whatever button looks the prettiest is how I decide

[balmy condor]

The energy alone does not offset the instant envenom damage

So you have to have rupture damage offset the rest

[frigid pilot]

found the lux/ahri main

[raven egret]

Believe in Spatter!

[balmy condor]

So there has to exist a breakpoint where there’s enough rupture damage to offset

And that’s 7 seconds or whatever

[static glacier]

and that's 7s

aight thanks

[glacial crypt]

"Hmm I'd like some energy please" then the small add is all like "sure thing boss lady" and suddenly it's dead, my combo points have jumped up from sbs, I've got more energy and my brain thinks "that was sick"

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Doesn’t work like that sadly

[spice spire]

Damn

But it feels right

[glacial crypt]

I'm going to make my own guide

full of bad habits and things you shouldn't do but I do anyway

[static glacier]

lowkey

[glacial crypt]

like poisoned knife to reach your reprimand CPs

[spice spire]

Aight delete this

[balmy condor]

Like to be fair, if you’re running internal bleeding sbs the rupture instant damage is much higher and you can probably get away with like 4

[static glacier]

AYO

[balmy condor]

But I haven’t checked the numbers on that cause like

What fucking situation are you in where you’re playing internal and sniping

You’d be playing caustic

[glacial crypt]

EXACTLY

[static glacier]

sniping my arena enemy's pets

[glacial crypt]

pvp watafak men

[balmy condor]

There’s an endless amount of impractical situations you could technically min max

But if they never happen what’s the point

[glacial crypt]

people like to overthink and overcook things

[spice spire]

Yeah but like what if they did

[glacial crypt]

LMAO

[static glacier]

homie u better watch urself before I kick then quad-shadowstep to the oother side of the room and vanish cheapshot rupture ur sandwich in the fridge while flipping my tails coin onto ur counter to pay for the sandwich

[silk bane]

If humanity looked at something and said well I don’t have wings and can’t fly so what’s the point, I could never fly over a continent to come kiss u.

We gotta do the impossible the unthinkable the uncopable

[glacial crypt]

the style points are all the matter

[spice spire]

[static glacier]

theoretically i think fatebound can do some gigacracked stuff

[frigid pilot]

37% runnin CT

[glacial crypt]

I thikn this is why maths exists

or something idk whispyr shouts

[spice spire]

Wait

[glacial crypt]

just let me press tricks

[balmy condor]

Whispyr in m+ if I have 2 targets with equal prio and it’s 6 targets total and I have scent of blood with 12 stacks and cooldowns rolling but only 1 shiv charge and my kingsbane has 9 seconds remaining, and one of the targets dies and gives me sbs charge back is it worth rupturing for the extra stack of scent and getting an sbs proc followed by a shiv cast on the next gcd to envenom? Envenom has 2 seconds left in this situation btw please respond it’s very important happens to me CONSTANTLY

[spice spire]

Deathly shadows argument moment

[static glacier]

shame sub doesn't get fatebound, could probably manage 8 shadowsteps in a row with dust

[silk bane]

Been there! Haappena every pull aaaa

[glacial crypt]

PLEASE tell us PLEASE

[slate crown]

If humanity stopped at impossible, I wouldn't have made a macro to reduce my average delay between prospects from 0.16 to 0.01sec

[deep sorrel]

Relatable 🙄

[final maple]

is there a bug where you cast kingsbane but it doesn't g o off?

[balmy condor]

Larry

Big Larry

[glacial crypt]

LMFAOOO

EVERY TIME

[deep sorrel]

Yea the larry bug bro

Go report it

[final maple]

tf is this actual shit

LOL

[glacial crypt]

You've been parried my friend 😭

[final maple]

woaw

i see

[deep sorrel]

It’s Larry bro big trollege

[silk bane]

Real af! U did the impossible! We can all learn from this

[balmy condor]

Top 10 Larry moments

[glacial crypt]

I didn't realise how often this kingsbane questino gets asked and every time it makes me giggle so much more than it should

[spice spire]

CT single target isn’t so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a talent with such a dps increase? CT puts the game on another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a talent with this much of a raider IO increase for rogues again. Kingsbane breaks records. Deathmark breaks records. Crimson tempest breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[deep sorrel]

I know u legit just wrote how much it tilts u when stuff is oddly specific, but if you have 2cp 0 energy and you snipe, get 2cp back from sbs but mob dies insta this is surely worth no

U lost 1gcd but wouldn’t have been able to cast anyway in that time

[glacial crypt]

TELL HIM

Awh frick my laptop is dying this isn't ideal

[tropic cedar]

wouldn't this depend on comp though, or am i just ?

[deep sorrel]

Like I want to believe that I am right

[glacial crypt]

THE LOGIC IS THERE

[static glacier]

You wouldn’t want it to be more vague would you 😎

[glacial crypt]

Maths says otherwise but maths is stupid

[deep sorrel]

No it has to be right

[novel star]

where my skardyns...

[spice spire]

I want to believe in Santa Claus

[deep sorrel]

What else r u gonna do in that time, watch ur energy bar go up?

[glacial crypt]

pool :3

[spice spire]

Doesn’t mean I’m right

[slate crown]

No no, not ideal at all.

[glacial crypt]

in that exact situation I would do the same thing

[deep sorrel]

Nah like I get it if ur 100 energy or smth and ur doing it to be fancy

[spice spire]

I’d do illegal things for that ring

[deep sorrel]

But I do that exact same shit

[novel star]

:3

[tropic cedar]

like yes it increases boss dam, but wouldnt going full ST with Caustic be worth with a good enough AoE comp?

[glacial crypt]

but I learned my rotation during splits looking at the pretty pictures from whispyr

[deep sorrel]

On so many bosses

[spice spire]

Splits in week 4

[glacial crypt]

so even if we DISAGREE about TRICKS OF THE TRADE I'm still going to listen to him

[tropic cedar]

mythic splits

[glacial crypt]

oh no week 1 captain

[deep sorrel]

What on earth could’ve you argued about with tricks of the trade

[slate crown]

what's that you mean the podcast?

[glacial crypt]

we pulled first boss and I realised I didn't know what buttons to press

[spice spire]

Oh

I thought you meant like this week

[glacial crypt]

he does NOT like tricks

[balmy condor]

Sure if you have an unheard amount of spider and worm damage it’s comp dependent, but I don’t think there’s a guild on this earth with that much damage

[spice spire]

I was like HOMIE

[glacial crypt]

is the podcast still a thing? 😭

[tropic cedar]

good to know, thanks

[spice spire]

No

Deadge

[deep sorrel]

Huh like what u don’t wanna tricks tank or what

[spice spire]

Useless talent

[static glacier]

Y’know what pisses me off

[spice spire]

He runs with a good tank though

[static glacier]

We’re never going to be top tier aoe in raid again are we

[spice spire]

Life?

[glacial crypt]

See Whispyr is INDOCTRINATING people into thinking tricks does nothing

however comma

my muscle memory exists

and i like seeing the little red icon

[balmy condor]

It’s true

Tricks doesn’t do anything

[static glacier]

I feel like a child compared to warriors

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[tropic cedar]

so essentailly, Ct would always be worth for prog?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tropic cedar]

kk ty bb

[glacial crypt]

it helped on boe farm! I could pull patrols for the tank while he los's!

[deep sorrel]

Does it not work like safety net in case u attack boss to early and he melees u

[glacial crypt]

"Device will power down soon" shut up "ChromeOS"

[glacial crypt]

no it works on your second attack

[deep sorrel]

??? Why

[static glacier]

Ayooooo whispyre (ur new evoker name) why did rwf not run ct 🥸 (79th time this has been asked, probably)

[glacial crypt]

Generally we don't generate enough threat compared to tanks right now

so in theory yeah it is a useless talent

but if you're with demon tanks then just run it anyway

[slate crown]

that's not true it helps brann hold threat while I run like a little bitch

[glacial crypt]

I don't get the value out of blackjack so I just run tricks and don't think about it

[tropic cedar]

i wasn't disagreeing with him, just asking

[novel star]

i like to pull mobs when the tank is being slow and annoying

thats what tricks does

[tropic cedar]

not everyone can be in the assa channel 24/7

[glacial crypt]

oop-

[deep sorrel]

And while ur at it whyspir could you review my oddly specific scenario?

[static glacier]

I’m just asking a question, dw nothing to do with you

[tropic cedar]

tru !

[static glacier]

Legit I’m sure it’s been asked

[deep sorrel]

I need the validation that my cool tan target sniping has been worth it all along

[runic hinge]

I can but I’m built different

[static glacier]

But idk the answer

[glacial crypt]

but can you please try to be

[tropic cedar]

also tru !

[fluid nebula]

boy it does seem I caused some outrage here with tat reddit post

https://tenor.com/view/grin-evil-smirk-game-character-gif-16756831

[tropic cedar]

i will going forward

[deep sorrel]

Was it you???

[glacial crypt]

I have a permanent notification on the screen telling me to plug the laptop in

[static glacier]

Anyways time to go to sleep, maybe whispyre will explain why fresh cats are higher dps than chonky cats

[glacial crypt]

it's begging me for power but it's 5am and there are NO power to give it

[fluid nebula]

Check the poster's user name

[tropic cedar]

because they haven't had 42069 pictures taken of them yet

chonky cats always get the most love

[strange python]

is dwarf best race for mythic plus?

[glacial crypt]

depends on the season

[tropic cedar]

yes

[deep sorrel]

Nah this is legendary

[glacial crypt]

nelf normally ends up being the best because you can meld mechanics

[tropic cedar]

(this season)

[glacial crypt]

trust this i don't like m+

[tropic cedar]

based

you picked a bad season to hate M+

unless you are actually sub

[glacial crypt]

assa in m+ this season is fun to be fair but I'm not getting a group together to push keys

I've got UNIVERSITY to be learning

and an assa channel to spam

[tropic cedar]

damn actually based. gl to you king

(real)

[glacial crypt]

[deep sorrel]

I had 7% in uni final year and got a first

Shits easy don’t let them fool you

[tropic cedar]

[glacial crypt]

see you say that

[deep sorrel]

Recent aswell btw was like 4 months ago

[tropic cedar]

70% of what you see in discord is a lie

[glacial crypt]

so like

[deep sorrel]

I’ll put my diploma in here right now

[glacial crypt]

I done uni last year

but i tried to silently drop out

they reached out to me and organised me getting to resit a different course 1st year

so now im learning how to code

and i do not know how to code

[tropic cedar]

they need you for the stats homie

you're in

[glacial crypt]

I'll take it

[balmy condor]

Decided Ct was not worth

[tropic cedar]

wait

[glacial crypt]

now hang on a moment WHISPYR

[tropic cedar]

my whole lifeis a lie, thanks whyspir

[fallow canopy]

with warriors and dks and such, CT feels like bait tbh

[balmy condor]

I mean I tried to convince

And he ran CT

But was told to move envenom out

Instead of CT

[tropic cedar]

[balmy condor]

Just stay on boss

And wasn’t worth the argument

[tropic cedar]

no shot someone actually said this?

[glacial crypt]

:3

[tropic cedar]

thats.....yeah im going to bed

[slate crown]

based

I should too

I won't tho

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

Liquid said that

And me and exile just like okay whatever

[tropic cedar]

[balmy condor]

Probably not a big diff

[glacial crypt]

That's a crazy conclusion to come to

[balmy condor]

Like is it worth sitting there arguing with max or whoever

Or just doing it and taking the L and doing your job

[tropic cedar]

no max is #1 21st man

actual gospel

[glacial crypt]

The laptop has died

[strange python]

are we getting stronger in mythic plus in 11.0.5?

aprox how much?

[mighty crown]

meh why play ct when the ppl with better cleave are just killing all the ads and cleaving off boss anyway

[runic hinge]

To pad your overall cause my guild is worse than yours

[mighty crown]

then sure go for it

[tropic cedar]

^ this unironicly, at least pre-nerf

[mighty crown]

i don’t care about logs or looking better on details, but its definitely more overall to do it that way

[tropic cedar]

you should prob do it now sure

[vital dragon]

Does anyone has good plater recommendation to track rupture/garrotes?

[runic hinge]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drifting cloud]

didnt whispyr run some sims that it was same st

[vital dragon]

Thx tony!

[tropic cedar]

even if it IS same ST, you still need to kill the adds

like its part of the fight

[mighty crown]

was a loss the way i was playing it for sure

[tropic cedar]

just really depends on comp/guild ig

[runic hinge]

I think it really depends on your comp

Yeah

[mighty crown]

it’s just a damage balancing equation

if boss dmg is less relevant now because of nerfs then just blast full aoe fuck it

[drifting cloud]

when are you guys back to reclear exile?

[tropic cedar]

we love nerfs

[mighty crown]

prolly sunday no clue

[drifting cloud]

oh this week already

[mighty crown]

not all bosses

[drifting cloud]

thought you had like a week-two break after the race

[mighty crown]

ct on that boss was annoying because if the spiders or ad management wasn’t perfect sometimes the ct would just not hit the prio targets (worm/spiders) then u spend more finishers on ct

[runic hinge]

Will you stream if you raid Sunday?

[mighty crown]

which is definitely a loss

[glacial crypt]

Whispyr shouted when I said no CT pre nerf

Post nerf*

[mighty crown]

aoe talent setup is perfectly fine if you overkill boss dmg doesn’t matter, can prob play IC even

for more spider dmg

[tropic cedar]

thats prob because most guilds are better off doing it that way to make sure adds are dead, boss's hp was nuked

[glacial crypt]

The boss got gutted with the nerf

After downing princess we went back to clear brood again and it just fell over

Like 20% before third platform

Was stupid

[mighty crown]

eh maybe i’m on ff14 arc now probly tho

[coral ibex]

POG

[mighty crown]

i know it won’t happen but i want assa’s dots to do way more damage

[coral ibex]

what jobber you jobbin on

[mighty crown]

12.0

[runic hinge]

You’re not alone

All my damage is caustic and envenom

Weeeee

[willow cloud]

these people trying to run their +10s at 603 ilvl are ridiculous

[burnt yacht]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results