assassination

[late surge]

bc high

[quiet oar]

Sorry fixed the bad cropping

Ye double socket rings and neck

withs etting

but setting is like 9K

[hallow pelican]

13k on Kj

[quiet oar]

I sacificied my life to wow

[agile kestrel]

if you get bad vaults, just delete your character and create one with a higher luck roll

[late surge]

true

just loot sikran neck in vault guys

[agile kestrel]

luck: 10
charisma: 1

[hallow pelican]

ive got the neck and the Rashanan cloak

[late surge]

I got mystic neck and hc cloak kek

[lethal arrow]

settings down to 7k

[simple yoke]

Same

[lethal arrow]

[tropic cedar]

ur actually sick

delet this

[simple yoke]

Setting will come down pretty quick as more people get the recipee

[lethal arrow]

thank you lfr

[brisk path]

empowering crystal sims better than sacrbrood, is it really better?

[coral ibex]

it’s pretty solid

[simple yoke]

you remembering to use it?

[tropic cedar]

i took a 639 crystal this week, it seems to be a pretty ok trinket

[naive lodge]

any tips for a mists +10 key?
I use hybridbuild and have 613 ilvl
We are on the first boss and i dont know what i should prepare more or change in my build.
We got 3 Phases...other dps (mage, ele) doing way more dmg then me

[tropic cedar]

when it proccs mastery during cds

[simple yoke]

Dodge and don't die, can't do DPS if you're on the floor, +10 are an endurance test of everyone and making minimal mistakes so healer can actually keep tank alive as they mitigate.

[brisk path]

i mean also overall, it gives agi instead of haste but also sacrbrood has high uptime

[quiet oar]

real

[tropic cedar]

ya, i think a 639 sac would be better overall, but pretty sure mythic crystal is way better than hero sac

[quiet oar]

w Im sorry

[arctic socket]

Use hybrid build, and also on the first boss of that key you hold cooldowns until the second boss get stunned then you blast

[tropic cedar]

gonna have to put you down

[little tulip]

[strange python]

https://streamable.com/kj1xmq

[arctic socket]

Can’t watch the video what happened

[static fossil]

are there any sims on bubbling wax vs mana oil and whetstone? & do you apply wax to both weapons?

[tropic cedar]

he assissinates half the raid

[strange python]

zercool showing how to play rashanan

[subtle tundra]

whaaat youre not supposed to instantly break web?!?

[tropic cedar]

very on theme for the spec

[coral ibex]

lol

[tropic cedar]

you cant have people that aren't webbed in the middle when it snaps

[subtle tundra]

faster break means faster dps

[tropic cedar]

or it just instas them

[arctic socket]

Stones are the best for damage wax isn’t far behind that, and oil is like % behind

Not much of a difference in whatever you use

[subtle tundra]

fr? i didnt know
i didnt prog i went in for rekills twice

[tropic cedar]

ya its mythic only mech, people are supposed to stack with it until it snaps

[static fossil]

okay thanks,, stones are still super expensive :<

[late surge]

Okay tira

I got 2 fdks

a warr

and 2 paladins full sending adds

CT still doing

8%

I think worth

[earnest remnant]

Not really the place to make fun of people's performance

[subtle tundra]

can i post clips of me fucking mechanics up though?

i wish i streamed...

[gloomy otter]

https://i.imgur.com/gRa1KUU.png

quick question , how much of a difference do these enchants do? like could i do M+ with the raid enchants?

[subtle tundra]

stream the bench....

[slim pebble]

Yeah I’ll stream me watching their discord stream of mythic

[late surge]

yes ui can do m+ with depths

[gloomy otter]

so i can simply get the "raid" enchant and would work in m+ too?

[quiet oar]

definitely better than sanguine blades

11 million on ovinax

[tropic cedar]

Caustic is fine btw

[late surge]

YEAH

aint no way u dont play this

[late surge]

yeah

I play depths until I got extra daggers

or raid tier is cleared

[royal lantern]

heroic queen reclear moment

[late surge]

Just cloak 👍

[echo tartan]

damn assa fucking slaps

[flat musk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

sry i thought it was funny streamer clip ;w;

[tropic cedar]

that didn't take long

[echo tartan]

shhhhhhhh

i dont wanna hear it

it might have been a little simpler

[tropic cedar]

[echo tartan]

i still cant properly use echoing reprimand

but

its aight

[tropic cedar]

shift+your ss/ambush bind is goated for ER

just a tip

or you mean the points?

[echo tartan]

its just apply poison shiv deathmark kingsbane and spam enveneom while keeping b up dots

[proven jasper]

Er is just free combo points

its simple

press and finish on big blue button

[echo tartan]

i should finish on the button?

[hallow pelican]

when it lands on the empowered CP it does ... but it almost NEVER lands

[echo tartan]

i mean dang

didnt know assa freaky like that

but sure

íll try it out

[shy quest]

so i got the mandate too so how do i use mandate and skardyns optimal?

[proven jasper]

Its got ass in the name my dude

[tropic cedar]

its very rare that i dont burn through all my ER points before my next ER

[proven jasper]

always been freaky

[tropic cedar]

it does happen

but rarely

[echo tartan]

damnnn

freakoffs when

[proven jasper]

If you er from low cp you nearly always land on anima points

[tropic cedar]

skardyns on pull with cds, mandate when it comes off cd

can try to cheese it with low hp mobs in m+ but you really dont need to

[hallow pelican]

whether or not its a DPS increase to me is the irrelevant point. its a pain in the balls to play around. We have too much shit to keep track of without having to worry about Empowered CPs.

[late surge]

@spice spire u for sure go CT on ovinax

[tropic cedar]

you dont play around* ER tho

you play normally and finish when it lands on one

[wise mist]

when running lightweight shiv you you try and save the 2 charges for every kingsbane to ensure you have it up for full duration?

[late surge]

eys

[tropic cedar]

yes

[late surge]

yes

[gloomy otter]

would u guys recommend 2x depths enchant or 1x depth and 1x radiant?

[wise mist]

🙏

[tropic cedar]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[late surge]

is ur focus raid or m+?

[gloomy otter]

i mostly play m+ but raids too

[late surge]

1x1 is fine

or double depths

depths does good dam in m+ too

[gloomy otter]

aight i think ill go with double depth 😄 tyvm

got my second hero dagger today

[verbal flower]

do poisons/bleeds scale with haste?

[robust heart]

Ello, keys 6-10.. what to play ? Elusiveness or Cheat ?

[late surge]

cheat

no need for elusiveness

[wise mist]

for heroic queen do you guys prefer bleed or poison build?

[late surge]

lesgo dude

[royal lantern]

???????????

mate, its raid, wdym lol

[wise mist]

improved garrote/sanguine or vicious/dashing

[royal lantern]

dont tell me you are using m+ builds in raid

[wise mist]

the top 100 is pretty split down the middle onit

[royal lantern]

bro, those are 0,something% differences that are different bettwen player and player

lol

[wise mist]

just asking about preference my dude

[hallow pelican]

my understanding is that you almost never play sanguine

[wise mist]

still experimenting

[royal lantern]

what preference, there is no difference

[tropic cedar]

if either builds are able to reach top 100, then pretty sure that means you can use either

[royal lantern]

its just that for some people going imp garrote sims 0,3% higher

and for some 2 points VV sims 0,3% higher

[wise mist]

there's obviously a difference whether its minimal or not which is why i asked, no need to be so aggro my dude

[raven egret]

I prefer not using Imp Gar myself, keepign vanish for the edge cases where DN might be lost is nice qol

[wise mist]

this is exactly what i was thinking

thanks

[raven egret]

Tryan... Tyran... Tyrant.... just saying!

[quiet oar]

Tryan is german

Germans need to be angry

[bitter saddle]

We are

Im angry because where rogue buff

[maiden gust]

how do we sim bubbling wax

[west bay]

Does Assa have good scaling?

[quiet oar]

#tc-research message

[maiden gust]

ty homie MVP

[west bay]

Feint of GCD is pretty pog

[bitter saddle]

Did they make wax usable on weapon higher than 610?

[quiet oar]

yes

and it works after death

[bitter saddle]

Fuck yeah

Im happy again

[quiet oar]

They fixed it

[bitter saddle]

Thanks merkel for fixing

[maiden gust]

hopefully its intended

[quiet oar]

true

[raven egret]

I still dont think 2x wax does anything

[maiden gust]

do they not stack

[bitter saddle]

I know for a fact that it can proc from offhand but don’t think they stack

[echo tartan]

ive been spreading my aids and then i use big cds idk if im doing it right but im top dpsing so that ssomething

[bitter saddle]

Does offhand weapon dmg matter for mutilate?

[maiden gust]

https://puu.sh/Kg7PY/ced64c951d.png

bubble wax and whet lets go

save me gold

[bitter saddle]

Finally we can wax again

And make kobolds mad

[raven egret]

but yeah I'd love a confirmation if 2x Wax does anything because from my limited testing I see 0 difference betwen 1 and 2

[hallow pelican]

so are we thinkin Whet MH wax OH?

[maiden gust]

dont think it matters which hand

[raven egret]

at least not on dmg, so unless the proc rate is better, its Wax + Mana Oil (cause fck the Whetstones prices)

[hallow pelican]

well we'd want more AP on our MH for other skills and talents though right?

[maiden gust]

not sure if thats how it works

wheres daddy whispy

[coral ibex]

i think ap is just ap?

[hallow pelican]

i mean im not happy about the prospect of whetstones at all ... null stones can fuck right off. they at least need to be a delve mat

[slim pebble]

Wax on MH

[maiden gust]

dont bother with whet stones

[raven egret]

then just use mana oils, way cheaper

[maiden gust]

https://puu.sh/Kg7QB/fb4af1c893.png

[raven egret]

and you wont see a difference

[maiden gust]

wax-oil is only 345 dps loss for me

not even relevant

save your gold

[hallow pelican]

lol glad we sorted that out. lets make a sticky

[cinder quartz]

but muh 0.03% dps gain

[tulip portal]

am i crazy or is Rogue community 100% the most dedicated community out of any class?

[zealous tundra]

yo guys, anyone know where I can find guilds for queen HC? or anyone here can advise good guild that can assist?

[runic hinge]

#recruitment

[opal chasm]

We yap and roast each other from time to time, but that's part of the brotherly/sisterly love ❤️

[raven egret]

We are dedicated to the cause thats for sure

[coral ibex]

you must not have met any mages

[raven egret]

If not us, who will bring 3.6% DR to raids

[tulip portal]

i dont frequent vagina discords

so no

👀

[quiet oar]

Excuse me

waht

[opal chasm]

Naw you need the 'tism to play mage

[quiet oar]

Thats not cool

[coral ibex]

what does that even mean

[tulip portal]

it was a joke

[coral ibex]

oh

[tulip portal]

that mages are pussies

[coral ibex]

usually those are funny

[tulip portal]

but i guess not that funny

[runic hinge]

I think there’s a lot of dedicated players and good TC’ers for a bunch of specs

[real pike]

why does cloak not stop the wrest on ansurek intermission ffs

[runic hinge]

Rogues are blessed with some good people but I’ve been in other class discords with smart people too

Some weird ones out there where it seems pretty gate kept tho

[cyan surge]

I asked about the ring earlier and this shows up.

[runic hinge]

People don’t mind helping out in here but generally if you come in and don’t know shit we get annoyed. At least try to read the guide first

[cedar hare]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[hollow talon]

buzzing runesz only simming 1.6k less than whetstones for me, is that about right

[tropic cedar]

i dont have time for that answer my questions now

[spice spire]

You’re in a wow discord, discords was unnecessary here (this is a joke, god I miss her)

[cedar hare]

How big diffrent in dps is there between Ironclaw Whetstone and Wax?

[runic hinge]

Miss u too

[spice spire]

Babe?

[runic hinge]

Yes darling?

I’m late to work again

[woven shore]

My god 😵‍💫

[runic hinge]

One day my boss will care and that day I will be in trouble

[strange python]

nsfw

[tulip portal]

is it really?

[opal chasm]

tbh your boss is prolly locked in their office looking up Brann Bronzebeard Delve specs

[runic hinge]

He’ll say “Tony you’ve been late 4 days this week, do you know what that means?”
And I’ll say “it’s Thursday?”

[brisk path]

was testing empowering crystal and only thing I am getting is haste and versa

[quiet oar]

I mean amybe it is in your private group

but this a public discord

[cedar hare]

How big diffrent in dps is there between Ironclaw Whetstone and Wax?

[waxen oyster]

Whats wrong with either

[quiet oar]

so need to a bit more sensitive

[tulip portal]

i guess so

sorry you got offended

[brisk path]

want crit/mast

[real granite]

scandal to say vagina discord but no one raise a brow with expressions like dickhead or being a dick or whatever

[waxen oyster]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[real granite]

sorry i just had to say, back to my cave

[waxen oyster]

read what the bot says

I swear why do people hard fixate on crit mast

wow player brains be tiny

[dull cloak]

my sin setup has 10k vers

[strange python]

im at 14k

[waxen oyster]

same

[strange python]

[digital wind]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dull cloak]

buncha closeted outlaw players I bet

[waxen oyster]

I mean

Better than being an m+ player

[cobalt sphinx]

Praying for sub buffs to save us from this spec

[runic hinge]

Just play sub?

No one is forcing your hand lol

[waxen oyster]

Sub needs god

and a rework

[runic hinge]

They’re close enough

[mortal badger]

rl gave the champ track cloak to the sin cause "mast crit" is bis for him
while I had adventure track

[waxen oyster]

No I mean the spec is awfully designed

[runic hinge]

I agree with that

[waxen oyster]

Because this class is in alpha developed by interns

[lethal arrow]

wasnt exile playing sub for the later half of the race?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[lethal arrow]

just be exile

[waxen oyster]

Dw people will feel “forced” to play specs rwf players did.

[spice spire]

Just because something is numerically good.
Does not mean it’s in a good spot

[waxen oyster]

In their world 1k guilds

where it doesnt matter

[earnest remnant]

can confirm

[cobalt sphinx]

Nothing matters

[earnest remnant]

sub sucks on princess (im playing bad)

[spice spire]

And also rogue is numerically not great

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[waxen oyster]

I dont think any rogue spec is good on kyveza

[spice spire]

Except the part where you’re playing the wrong spec

[waxen oyster]

you’re there to apply atrophic

and not terrorize the raid

[keen laurel]

So with bubbling wax being usable on all weapons now, do we use that over a whetstone? Or do we pair it with one?

[quiet oar]

Playing sub, is playing the wrong spec

[spice spire]

Yeah

Agreege

[runic hinge]

I’m paring it with mana oil cause I’m cheap and it’s like 400 dps

[agile kestrel]

tbh no one cares what rogue spec you play as long as you use atropic poison. You are just a buff. Every raid will have only 1 rogue. lol

[lethal arrow]

tell that to the guy earlier who has 3 ass rogues in his raid team

[agile kestrel]

i mean that's just poor management

prolly works for the government

[earnest remnant]

damn someone shouldve told me that

[lethal arrow]

think he was asking about running CT on brood and he was like yeah all 3 of our assa rogues are running it

[tulip tiger]

can you macro thistle tea?

[cedar hare]

How big diffrent in dps is there between Ironclaw Whetstone and Wax? And is wax worth it over rank 2 Whetstone?

[dull cloak]

worth for your wallet

[cedar hare]

But how much in dps?

[dull cloak]

it's like 0.4% or something

[runic hinge]

At that point I’m running sudden demise to get the pad over the other two

[lethal arrow]

TRUE

[waxen oyster]

same bestie

[digital wind]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[runic hinge]

I want more crit so I can play fatebound without it being like 4% behind my DS sim

[cedar hare]

SO a wetstone lvl 2 is = wax

and only lvl 3 is 0.4% better?

!wethstones

[gloomy otter]

anyone know why my castsequence macro stopped working suddenly? it stops at kingsbane

it did work till yesterday

[clear nexus]

a0re runed harbinger crests warbound

[quiet oar]

no

No crests are warbound

[late surge]

@quiet oar we had parasite problem

lmao

[quiet oar]

wtf

[late surge]

400M on parasites

250 on boss

xd

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[quiet oar]

Where padding dmg

[steel geyser]

wtf

[late surge]

LMAO

[quiet oar]

from others

[late surge]

nah was wipe

dks ded

[vocal trail]

which gems should i have for every color?

[late surge]

parasites just kept spawning lmao

[gloomy otter]

i got 5 slots with crit/mastery gems , should i switch?

[quiet oar]

for what

[gloomy otter]

for different gems?

[quiet oar]

I dotn think you optimize for the gem

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet oar]

in fact

you do

[gloomy otter]

how do i optimize gems

[quiet oar]

i literally dont know

[gloomy otter]

😄

[quiet oar]

Let me check 1 sec

[robust heart]

Would you share ur details profile plz plz ? looks nico

[late surge]

is naowh

[quiet oar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cKRnTXBKVqp896EfzWqNmY

It literally

is a 0,3% gain

to socket different sockets apperantly

[late surge]

thats 0.3% more than not

!

[quiet oar]

i mean to optimize

you would select several gems in top gear

[limber lion]

What's new

[quiet oar]

and say replace existing gems

[robust heart]

Yea, I found only complete ElvUi but i need only this details 🙂

[limber lion]

I was using 3 different types of gems in Dragonflight already

Because robot told me so

[quiet oar]

YOu get like a lot of combinations

[chilly spear]

would anyone be willing to get in a discord chat and help with me with sin at all for a few mins?

[twin hull]

any reason why the sims are telling me to put 3x 147 vers and 49 crit gems in my rings?

[late surge]

bc

they make u do more damage

[raven egret]

Stats are always context dependent, you can't simply say 'all of X and none of Y', its also why BiS lists are a meme

[faint path]

wtf

wow?

[raven egret]

simming will give you your options based on what you currently have

[twin hull]

so i shld listen to the sims...? the next best is crit mast doing 1.7k less dps

[limber lion]

yes

[raven egret]

yeah thats what the sims are there for

[limber lion]

just do what the sim says

[wild hound]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[glacial crypt]

Actually so happy princess is dead

That's the only boss I cared about progging this tier

[brisk path]

[royal lantern]

i like random details screenshots with no context

[brisk path]

AoE pump, procced

[cedar hare]

Do anyone have a sim with wethstones vs bunbeling wax?

[royal lantern]

brother in christ, its 29 seconds lol

[gentle gyro]

you can't use bubbling wax anymore above 610

or did they fix that

[errant mauve]

yes you can

they fixed it

[spice spire]

They fixed

Yesterday

Or say before

[cedar hare]

Cos i was wondering wethstones r2 vs wax

[gentle gyro]

based, then nvm me spreading misinformation

[spice spire]

@cedar hare

[cedar hare]

Ofc wethstones r3 is better then wax

[proven jasper]

1 wax 1 whetstone is the way

[gentle gyro]

they also cost a tiny bit more

[undone flame]

Is it just me or dose assassination seems kinda meh on som fights in the raid?

[proven jasper]

to save monies

[brisk path]

yo some of us scrubs do not see these numbers everyday

[faint path]

GUYS how much % it gives?

[cedar hare]

Wetstone is wetstone r3?

[spice spire]

Yes

[gentle gyro]

depends. add fights never were good for us, but there aren't many in this raid that we'd really care about

Caustic Spatter made long cleave fights better

but adds that die in < 5s may as well not exist

[undone flame]

We just gat to mythic and im doring so low dmg im going for doring feed and free ppl in case thay get trap

[tropic cedar]

what you said but replace "assassination" with "rogue"

[limber lion]

doring doring

[gentle gyro]

rogue is okay. pretty middle of the pack last time I checked wcl

[undone flame]

Hehe well i dont think we are getting any buff befor 11.5

[tropic cedar]

tbf he did say meh

[errant mauve]

rogue isnt okay

[tropic cedar]

its not bad by any means, just not great either

[royal lantern]

rogue is meh rn

[shell lodge]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[royal lantern]

good dmg on dungeon trash

bad dmg on dungeon bosses

[past bobcat]

During brood ads are we still just mutilate boss and caustic ads or do we swap to mut ads?

[royal lantern]

mediocre at best in raid

[shell lodge]

is there a softcap on crit? noticing some rogues put a lot of points into vers/haste on their pieces

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[acoustic roost]

Thank god for Atrophic poison

[tropic cedar]

well that kinda depends on ur comp, but most likely staying on boss and caustic cleaving

[gentle gyro]

get rupture on the big one, ignore the little ones

[tropic cedar]

they are just following what their sims tell them, as should you

[icy comet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gentle gyro]

you can also rupture snipe small adds for free energy

[fading echo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[chilly spear]

anyone interested in answering a couple questions in disc? mostly just rotation stuff. i'm, pretty new to sin.

[runic hinge]

11.5 that’s so many patches

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[lament stump]

what should i expect my ST to be around

[limber lion]

Or you can just ask here

[limber lion]

Sim yourself and see

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[lament stump]

im not a complete zero hope loser just tell me what ur guys ST is

[acoustic roost]

What can I bench press?

[limber lion]

If I go for a run, how long should I expect to go for?

[chilly spear]

I'm struggling with caustic spatter. Right now it's only like 8-9% of my damage in keys so I feel like I am missing a lot, I'm just not sure what. The basics are that I get it up on my target, pop deathmark, kingsbane, tea, and shiv then as many envenoms as I can, right?

[limber lion]

And hopefully slamming bleeds on everything first

[thorn plinth]

What's the opinion on blackjack vs tricks? does it really matter in m+

[limber lion]

You need Garry's and Ruppies up as well to funnel you energy and Scent of Blood agi

[chilly spear]

My gear isn't amazing yet, bad trinkets (pvp and flayedwing) and I am only 2 pc

and I don't have much mastery or crit. could that be part of it?

[limber lion]

If targets die too early, your spatter (or kingsbane rather) won't do much at all

[limber lion]

No

[spice spire]

3 wheels or nothing king

[limber lion]

How much did I bench today?

[runic hinge]

1,049,000

[limber lion]

Just came from the gym 2 hours ago

[chilly spear]

Thanks @limber lion

[limber lion]

Np gl

[spice spire]

KG or Lb? Also you maxing or just repping

Relevant questions

[limber lion]

Repping, KG

[spice spire]

60 KG

[limber lion]

I'm just tryna ridicule the guy asking how much he should be hitting on st and you making it a real thingy

[spice spire]

Ik

[limber lion]

damn pretty close yeah

[spice spire]

I’m obtuse

What can I say

[lament stump]

only a wow player would try to get me offsite to go input a trillion things into some website instead of just being like " around 800k for me usually " this is why wow doesnt get new players btw

[limber lion]

Wow literally does

We can't tell you how much you can do

We don't know your gear

your talents

[spice spire]

Buddy you can type your name and server in

[limber lion]

what trinkets

[spice spire]

And see

[limber lion]

how well you play the game

we literally don't know anything about you

[spice spire]

It’s not 800 things

[limber lion]

or your character

or your ability

[lament stump]

you can give me a clear goal for anyone doing keys

[limber lion]

I sim 950k

Someone else sims 1.5m

I just did a key and I did around 1.4m dps

But zerocool did a key and he did more than 3m

I had a friend yesterday who did a key and he did around 400k

take your pick brother

[lament stump]

im not pushing 10s out here im learning the class and need goals to hit

i get it gear matters

[runic hinge]

Your goal should be timing the key and not dying

[spice spire]

Yeah it matters as to what you can do

We don’t know shit about your situation

That’s why simming exists

[limber lion]

if you do more than 1m dps

you're chilling

[spice spire]

It gives you a realistic expectation

We can say “2.1m dps in keys”
But if you’re rocking 580 gear theres 0 shot

[royal lantern]

blackjack is free dr on stealth pulls and on blind

tricks is a ussules talent

not a hard choice tbh

[spice spire]

Mf never pugged in his life

Or as I do

Tricks @ember mural

[royal lantern]

tricks DN

[spice spire]

I might

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

[toxic zephyr]

with wax being usable again, what's the best combination and the cheaper combination?

double whetstone best, 1 wax 1 whetstone cheaper?

[spice spire]

Aye

[toxic zephyr]

is wax > mana oil? or is mana oil better

[hallow pelican]

oil apparently

[spice spire]

It’s slight diff

Truly not worth stressing super hard

[hallow pelican]

0.03 %

[toxic zephyr]

but money 😛

[strong wing]

LE weak aura for kingsbane doesnt track thistle tee right?

[oblique garnet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Whispyr's Plater

[arctic tusk]

is sacbrood or void reaper any better on aoe vs ST

[strong wing]

Any1 knows how to add it or has it already with thistle tee

[arctic tusk]

im simming for single target but im on ovi nax so

its not actually full st and wondering if their procs matter more or less on the fight

[spice spire]

What do you need thistle tea for

[spice surge]

You dont tea specifically during kingsbane anymore

[spice spire]

It’s literally just

[spice surge]

So thats why its been removed from the kingsbane WA

[spice spire]

If you need energy during shiv

[covert sedge]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Oh they added that neat

[strong wing]

oh, didnt know that changed

sorry then

we just thistle tea now when we lack energy right

[spice spire]

During shiv

[tropic cedar]

yes during shiv

or if you're going to overcap charges and not waste energy pushing it

but that rarely happens with proper cd usage

[novel star]

any time during shiv if it won’t waste energy

i think

[shadow patio]

best embelishment for weapon craft 336?

[novel star]

oh banger 2 other ppl said it alrdy my brain fast as hell today

[quiet oar]

You waste energy because you Pressed tea wrong, i wasted energy because i spilled my tea on my desk. We are not the same

[tropic cedar]

L + thirsty + bozo

[hardy prairie]

in pulls with more than 5 targets should we continue applying gar/rup or should we just do the 5 and move to CT/spatter?

[tropic cedar]

just ct/spatter

[novel star]

ya

5 ruptures is basically a requirement

[tropic cedar]

spatter takes prio after getting your first gars+rups out

[novel star]

after that do whatever is the most damage

[hardy prairie]

roger

[novel star]

no stealth garrote isn’t very much damag

can press it if ur energy is suffering tho but it shouldn’t be

[quiet oar]

Spatter and tempest in aoe =
Gsrrot and Rupture in aoe =

[strong wing]

i mean our whole kingsbane is covered with shivs right?

[novel star]

in raid ya

[spice spire]

Should be in st yeah

[strong wing]

kk

[rose dirge]

i see some people doing different types of gems and some not for m+

is it close in sims?

[winged widget]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[novel star]

like the big diamond gem or the stat ones

[rose dirge]

yeah buffing the diamond gem

[quiet oar]

The bis St Profile has like 0.3% gain with Different gems

Over Single color gem

[novel star]

^

[arctic tusk]

@spice surge are u a knower for this

[rose dirge]

Alright thanks

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[novel star]

the agi and crit damage are good

and we don’t really feel bad about getting every stat

cus they’re all good for sin

so

go rainbow mode

[undone flame]

Wait did i get the number wrong ia it not next month?

[novel star]

they’re just making a joke

cause it’s 11.0.5

not 11.5

hehe

it is next month

[runic hinge]

Yeah I’m just being obtuse

[undone flame]

Oh xd

[crimson zephyr]

sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sWLwFU2BCUNKDrh3UBLuka
log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackmoore/Âthzura#difficulty=4

How come sim gives me 781dps but in hc I just did 900? what did I do wrong?

[undone flame]

Well I better sleep xd

[idle light]

you are simming without raid buffs

[blazing pumice]

the sims are sandbagged so devs don't nerf our st

[reef isle]

what oil weapon for m+ now?

[quiet oar]

And siktan was 3:40

Not 5 Minutes

And you sim with an dragobflight flask

[raven egret]

HA

[crimson zephyr]

Loool thanks

[quiet oar]

Based

[blazing pumice]

warlocks have been doing it for years

[gaunt sigil]

Just getting back into Assa since S3 DF, what are the pro's and cons of Vicious Venoms vs No VV. I see a lot of back and fourth in logs but haven't found specific notes on them.

[errant mauve]

so my WA has 3 marks on rupture... what do those 3 marks mean as far as rupture goes

whats rupture do that im missing that it would be noted in a WA

[gaunt sigil]

Likely your Serrated Bone Spike charges

Mostly only matters to look at in M+

[errant mauve]

ahh that tracks

you can have 3 bone spikes on 1 target?

so is it worth to ambush garrote rupture rupture reapply garrote rupture for the 3rd bone spike

[balmy condor]

they're equal, mostly a sim question. A lot of VV builds don't take improved garrote, so you can hold your vanish

[gaunt sigil]

No, only 1 Per target

[balmy condor]

no

idk why your wa would track bone spike I'm gonna be honest

there's no decision making around it

[weary juniper]

hey @balmy condor already working on the new patch? do u think that stealth will be more important now for us (master assasin buff+ subterfuge etc) ? Twist the knife will be mandatory for sure true? overall do u think this will be more like a buff or a nerf?

[crimson zephyr]

okay so I'm at 90% of my sim in the raid. That's okay no?

[spice spire]

Always room for improvement but that’s great

Good job homie

[drifting cloud]

put higher ilvl dagger in your mainhand

literally free dmg hack

[balmy condor]

in order:

• no
• no
• no clue
• buffs/nerfs come from tuning, not talent reworks, so it's a moot point to even speculate about

[spice spire]

[crimson zephyr]

actualyl true lol when I upgraded I forgot to check thanks

so on warcraft logs - the values are for your ilvl +- 2 or something right?

can I somewhere see the distribution?

[balmy condor]

ilvl parses are a range bracket

you can hover it

and see what the bracket is

[crimson zephyr]

hover where? ^^

[balmy condor]

the ilvl parse

[fast fog]

Are you sure it’s not tracking how many Ruptures you have active? Does the number change at all?

[gentle badger]

Whetstone main hand wax offhand for ST?

[grim vigil]

4/8 mythic 624 ilvl 2.5k rio not getting inv to 10s because the leader has 10 rio score more

wtf is this game

[balmy condor]

if you'd like, sure

[crimson zephyr]

where's that?

[fast fog]

Pugs gonna pug

[balmy condor]

it's literally just hovering it

idk

[crimson zephyr]

ty

[spice spire]

Drunkpao my goat

He actually drunk in raid or?

[balmy condor]

no

but he probably wishes he was for having to gear bdk again

[crimson zephyr]

your dmg is way mor constant than mine

ah yeah I lok at rashnan tho so maybe it's teh whole running around

[golden fog]

Can someone train me

[crimson zephyr]

train?

[drifting cloud]

quake stopped himself

[golden fog]

Yes

[spice spire]

It’s also a 3:30 fight on a 623 ilvl character on a heroic

[spice spire]

?

[crimson zephyr]

train in what? rogue?

[golden fog]

Yes and tsb

[crimson zephyr]

what's tsb?

[coral ibex]

??

[balmy condor]

why you stalkin my logs

[crimson zephyr]

your screenshot :p

[spice spire]

Mfs log watching

We bringing it back

[golden fog]

The strongest battle grounds

[drifting cloud]

I refuse to elaborate ignore me

[spice spire]

He’s just looking at the line though

[balmy condor]

how can you tell my damage from the screenshot though

[spice spire]

???????? This makes it worse

[crimson zephyr]

isn't the blue graph at the top your dmg output over time?

[drifting cloud]

ok fine I thought you were gonna horny post regarding the word train but then I saw the herbie sign and I knew you wouldnt do it to them

[balmy condor]

the raid dps yeah

[spice spire]

Absolutely not

[crimson zephyr]

ah yeah true

[balmy condor]

you think I'm sustaining 20 million dps?

[warm vortex]

Ok so

says that depths is better for raid
power for m+
whats best for the mixed?

[spice spire]

Those messages only come out to people I’ve interacted with and have at least some sort of open dialogue with previously

[spice spire]

You cute son of a bitch

[runic hinge]

Youre not? I am.

[crimson zephyr]

so currently in my opening rotation, I usually try to vanish <3s kingsbane but that also leads me to have 2-3s garrote downtime. Does that matter? ^^

[runic hinge]

One of each brother

[warm vortex]

I tried simming and apparently AoD 3 simms lower than AoD 2

drunken

Aighyt

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

just crafted my 636 weap

[balmy condor]

why would you do that

just vanish normally

[warm vortex]

offhand has depths so i guess i get power?

for my main hand

[spice spire]

Isn’t this s3 tech Vhispyr

[crimson zephyr]

that's not a thign anymore? ^^

[spice spire]

Hasn’t been this entire expansion

[balmy condor]

not even remotely

we don't even run the talent that made it a thing

[crimson zephyr]

Yeah I kinda came back and still getting into it - one thing after the other. I just assumed. so what's vanishing normally

[spice spire]

Oh no are we overcapping energy on tea

[balmy condor]

imp gar, or if you're using vicious venoms and no imp gar, you would vanish for the mark

[crimson zephyr]

funny how my opening rotation is shit apparently yet I still got asked in pugs about what I do 😄 plebs must be so bad then

ok thanks gonna reread the guides over the weekend

[balmy condor]

famously, yes

[crimson zephyr]

go to my beloved puppets

cuddle

[past marten]

This sims like 2k below 2x VV for me. Am I right in my assumption (the sim seems to confirm) that:

1. I don't have to use FoK for Clear the Witnesses
2. I don't have to be careful about not pooling above 150
3. I try to Envenom < 1s of its uptime and yoink all of my energy during KB

[balmy condor]

yes

regular rotation

[past marten]

Nice, that kinda feels like the best of all worlds for me

[warm vortex]

Rn mainhand 636 depths 2
offhand 619 depths 2
so the aoe one on MH is better for mixed content for now right?
I would sim it but they are drunk

[past marten]

Higher burst thanks to garrote and still no weird FoK and pooling shenanigans

[vagrant leaf]

Tree the Goat ❤️

Ps are you streaming prog again? We're on the same boss and im trying to learn sin tricks from you

[drifting cloud]

he pretty much always stream yeah, think their raid start in like 2h?

[balmy condor]

raid in 2h yeh

[novel star]

power

loses less value in raid compared to depths in m+

iirc

[warm vortex]

Yea

[novel star]

going 2 different enchants is cope

[royal lantern]

depths makes my sim number go higher

sim number higher = brain sends out the happy happy chemicals

[novel star]

if u wanna do all content just send it on power imo

[heavy summit]

is it me, or does the whispyr WA for sin show pistol shot?

[runic hinge]

If you wanna do all content just send it on depths imo

[calm tendon]

how is that possible in 9/10 keys.. DH is tank..

[heavy summit]

am i looking at it wrong or smt?

[novel star]

you lmao

[heavy summit]

holdup, let me show ya xd

[novel star]

maybe bugs out if ur switching specs idk

but ive never had that issue

[glacial crypt]

It's our secret tech. Underhanded Upperhand

[heavy summit]

look xd

right next to garrote

[glacial crypt]

That's excellent

Does it ever light up?

[novel star]

ye idk thats just not there for me

[glacial crypt]

I'd be so excited if it ever lit up

spamming my outlaw keybind

[novel star]

have you done a /reload

[heavy summit]

will try, might have bugged it out. Trying to decide between this one and luxthos

[novel star]

whisp wa the goat imo

[heavy summit]

yeah, i like that it shows fatebound flips

[blissful cosmos]

is it worth vanishing and ambushing still when you have darkest night buff in cooldowns still?

[heavy summit]

I like how luxthos displays the RtB buffs better 😒 wish there was an inbetween haha

Its still there after reload imao, Imma delete it and re import it lol

[ashen scroll]

hey, dumb question. does atrophic poison stack with 2 rogues running it?

[ivory bay]

does someone has a wa triggering when darkest night fades?

[runic hinge]

Yeah it does

[runic hinge]

Not currently I think it’s still bugged

[heavy summit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[cyan karma]

I was thinking about doing this too, or, if it’s possible, try and figure out how to add it into the core icons on luxthos’s weakaura

[ivory bay]

https://wago.io/WJ7A7NxC_/1

i found one

[heavy summit]

yeh, fixed it by redownloading

Anyone know which addon is showing that big ass garrote? lol

[coral ibex]

plater and/or a weakaura

[hollow talon]

what a balanced meter

that was fun

[heavy summit]

Might be the platter profile... which one is cleaner from the ones on the !wa command?

[lapis lantern]

anyone using shadowmeld for m+? is it worth swapping from BE to NE?

[hollow talon]

you can get some extra stealths sometimes

[normal mist]

probably bigdebuffs

[hollow talon]

not sure how big the value is

[normal mist]

small

its also not 100% guaranteed you can re

[hollow talon]

^

im playing cow cause it looks funny

[coral ibex]

imagine paying $25 to have bugged restealths

[hollow talon]

but the hitbox looks weird sometimes

feels really hard to hit stuff

[runic hinge]

Half my keys this season I don’t even meld because I can just stealth or have vanish

[heavy summit]

On point holy, thanks.

[lapis lantern]

ok

[runic hinge]

But you do flips so

Kinda worth

[vestal flume]

do you guys use CT on boss fights in m+? i feel like im energy starved trying to keep that + rupture + envenom buff

[coral ibex]

i like troll bc mohawk

also haste racial kinda owns

[normal mist]

not really

[runic hinge]

Not unless there are adds

And there’s a complicated scenario where it’s worth but it’s niche and a small gain

So I don’t

[muted aspen]

Heya!
Could you please tell if I should use Clear the Witnesses proc when talented into Vicious Venoms on single target?

[timber meadow]

is it just early and not many good players are doin keys without groups or is assa just like busted af in keys

feel like im doin a lot of heavy lifting dps-wise

[drifting cloud]

a huge % of people are running 7-10s so you will just naturally meet people of varying skill brackets

[late kestrel]

i know it will vary based off ilevel/etc. - but around what dmg should I expect from kingsbane with the bleed m+ build? vs the hybrid

im unsure of if im getting it right

[timber meadow]

im talkin more like 11/12s like above where people would be for gear

[normal mist]

nop, unless AoE

[grim vigil]

guys do you out dps arcane mages and ret palas in keys? i cant fucking beat them is that normal?

[raven egret]

ret pallies have their full dps every 30s, if the key is smooth and all they might very well out DPS you, but there are many variables involved its not a 'they will always'

[grim vigil]

and am i griefing if i take lightweight shiv for 2 charges instead of iron wire for the silence in 11+?

[balmy condor]

insanely

yes

[raven egret]

very much yes

[lament stump]

whoever told me to sim earlier and i threw a shit fit about simming being nerd shit, you were right and i was wrong it wasnt that bad

[balmy condor]

probably the most troll decision you could do

[raven egret]

wait wut

[grim vigil]

so better just use shiv at tail end of KB and go for iron wire?

[raven egret]

Yep

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim vigil]

dammit im stupid

[spice surge]

Iron wire is insanely strong to control packs

[grim vigil]

raider brain only output 😄

[balmy condor]

iron wire is arguably the strongest utility point out of any class in the game

you're dropping like 80% of the reason assa is good in keys

for a giga weak talent point

[grim vigil]

i also gimp myself needing to kick cast while setting up cds :D:D:D

[normal mist]

it be like that sometimes

[lament stump]

im new and was asking what my goal for single target should be and i got told to sim which sounds like weird nerdy coding shit but it was easy so whoever told me to sim W for them

[grim vigil]

it all makes sense lol

[spice surge]

Technically shiv aint even worth using in big aoe scenarios

[balmy condor]

big shit we love the growth

[halcyon finch]

Hey sorry if this might have been answered before, but does cloak clear tentacles on last boss in grim batol?

[spice surge]

So the 2x charges would only be good for bosses

[balmy condor]

yes

[drifting cloud]

yes

[grim vigil]

thx kings

[halcyon finch]

ty guys ❤️

[raven egret]

ah ok, well I mean Sims isn't the 'you should do THAT dps at all time', but its 100% the way to go to help improve and itemize 🙂 GG brother

[lament stump]

yea i just needed a goal to aim for in ST

[grim vigil]

dawnbreaker 11 is fucking free i bet i can do 13 on that

[runic hinge]

@limber lion

And quake

He’ll see this tho. He’s lurking

Waiting

Watching

[lament stump]

withdrawz will have u acting like that sorry kings

[slim pebble]

Quake is only here for cat pics

[spice spire]

Happens big dog Dw

Wouldn’t rawdog you into apl simming

[balmy condor]

I would

[spice spire]

Yeah you rawdogged me there king

Gave me a 5m tutorial and said “I’m at work run this shit”

[sterile lodge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Tbf it’s actually not that bad.
And I had a blast doing it.
I’m just an idiot

[balmy condor]

damn right you are

[lament stump]

its just so much man, blizzard UIs and platers and curseforge and raidbots and this many coffer keys a week and this mechanic, its a ton for like my 2nd or 3rd month

its fun tho

[balmy condor]

yeh you kinda just catapulted yourself into the min-max

[runic hinge]

Wow is the most fun game I’ve ever played for twenty years

[balmy condor]

bit rough

[waxen oyster]

Yes

[lament stump]

i mean i kinda got into wow for a lot of the depth so i gotta take the good w the bad

[waxen oyster]

dks are only class i feel i consistently can lose to

[spice spire]

Ty king needed that

[zenith prairie]

If I wanted 2 shivs in m+ hybrid spec is the only option to take it out of imp garrote

Which would just be bad

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't want that

[zenith prairie]

Yeah there’s no way to slot it around

[waxen oyster]

nope

[zenith prairie]

Feels bad on bosses

[balmy condor]

lightweight is just objectively not a good talent

[drowsy geyser]

Hey, i was asking some time ago about perfect team comp, including BL and BR for the group what it should be as a rogue?

[cyan karma]

Is it that much of a loss? 1 shiv? I e been playing the hybrid build exclusively and I’ve wondering…

[grim vigil]

i was thinking why take that if you can just kick, but i gimped my aoe openers by having to cc/kick and sometims i do 3m instead of 5 because of that

just gimped myself im no rog main lel

[waxen oyster]

not really

[vast loom]

it would probably be like protwar rsham aug sin frostdk or someshit

[zenith prairie]

The start isn’t much dmg anyways

[waxen oyster]

it probably loses you more in aoe

since less spatter dam

[zenith prairie]

Prob slot in balance instead of dk

[vast loom]

yeah that sounds good

[grim vigil]

spreading garrote into iron wire is fucking insane

[cyan karma]

That’s what I thought, I feel like aoe is the hardest part of rouge, trying to manage stealths for IC

[waxen oyster]

you likely would get more personal damage slotting in a monk

[vast loom]

nah your aoe is mostly using dots for energy to get more envenoms into your caustic target

[cyan karma]

icic

[waxen oyster]

not an aug

[vast loom]

aug is just needed for tanks in high keys atm based on what ive heard

[runic hinge]

What about a shaman

[vast loom]

but idk

[zenith prairie]

Already have one in that

[waxen oyster]

IC is largely beneficial for your tank to let you re

15% dr for 8s is broken

[vast loom]

ive been using vanish as more util in keys

[heavy summit]

is there a macro to apply all 4 poisons? i have one but it only works for two lol

[cyan karma]

Me too, I usually fuck up a stealth and go “fuck it”, burn vanish lol

[heavy summit]

!macros

!macro

rip

[waxen oyster]

i mean vanish is kind of a whatever button outside of that

[vast loom]

lolol its mostly been for reapplying deathstalker mark

[waxen oyster]

slightly longer imp garrote during dm isnt that powerful

[vast loom]

so many mobs randomly dont die

[zenith prairie]

Are there any boss mechanics we can vanish now or did Meld ruin that

[arctic socket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uyigKT1Yn9xaFyCUHM5yu1 Just posting this here for some other oppions necklace is my highest simmest item from vault currently, ( it wouldn't be if i recrafted my current one to 619/636) is it a transmitter angle in case i end up having to play sub?

[silk sundial]

Does deathmark duplicate kingsbane? If not how does deathmark = big kb? Duplication of your lethal poisons?

[jovial imp]

exile in the last boss of necrotic 😛

[waxen oyster]

dupes your poisons

[blissful cosmos]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[waxen oyster]

more poison application is more kb ramp

[arctic socket]

Or is it a socket vault week? lol

[waxen oyster]

ermm dupes bleeds

while its up

also bigger envenoms since you’re consuming more amp poison stacks

[spice spire]

I’d take a socket - personally

[silk sundial]

I have deathmark macrod with Skardyns for raid. Do you still use DM/skardyn on big pulls in m+?

[waxen oyster]

Yes

[normal mist]

both on 2min cd

[waxen oyster]

bigger spatters

[normal mist]

just full send both

[raven egret]

I would if I had the trinket

[jovial imp]

that trinkets a myth

no one can tell me the opposite

ive never seen it droppin

[languid cipher]

what embellishment should i be using?

[waxen oyster]

use candle rn

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure a monk is less dmg than a druid buffwise

[waxen oyster]

game might tell me to play serum

as cursed as that thing is

[quasi sonnet]

are garrotes that are spread through carnage affected by iron wire?

or is it only direct applications?

[waxen oyster]

Yes

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[silk sundial]

I got lucky with a champ skardyn. Still trying to get a hero though

[grim jay]

3 and 1 warband even

[spice spire]

Took me 3 runs for it

[waxen oyster]

You send dm on big target they take bigger envs

bigger kb hits

[grim jay]

Same Bestie

[waxen oyster]

bigger spatters

also dont forget you get a 30% poison dam amp

[raven egret]

i stopped counting, I'm in the several dozens

[waxen oyster]

after your dm target dies

[spice spire]

I stole it from the goat tho

So did I really win

[grim jay]

Whos the goat

[waxen oyster]

ngl

NW feels super good as sin

so many big mobs

[spice spire]

Vhispyr

[grim jay]

Luckily it isnt Whysper

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

There isnt a dungeon that feels bad tbf

[marble hemlock]

they all feel shit if you play melee

[arctic socket]

i was leaning towards that option, but i'm about to push mythic soon and i wasn't quite sure how "Needed" transmitter is

[marble hemlock]

[spice spire]

Simply don’t play sub

Easy game

[grim jay]

I meant for sin, as in would feel better on a different melee spec

[lament stump]

any1 know if theres a way i can show the envenom self buff thing on its own somewhere on my screen, it kinda gets buried in the list of buffs

[hardy rapids]

Weird question but what are the most mobile casters during rotation, Who has the least amount of hard casts/unmovable casts? Would it be fire mage?

[waxen oyster]

I like arakara as outlaw more

[grim jay]

I mean

Mucho

Since sub will be a 1.5 min spec

[spice spire]

Fire mage or ele sham

[grim jay]

Next Patch

No choice there

[spice spire]

Shaman has a ton of free casts

[spice spire]

Silence sub player

[balmy condor]

bm hunter

[waxen oyster]

shaman also has the option

to go enhance

[grim jay]

Im only sub for you

[waxen oyster]

when you remember ranged life is cringe

[spice spire]

HUH

[grim jay]

Huh

[spice spire]

When they say caster I don’t think of hunter tbh

But they could have meant ranged

[waxen oyster]

doesnt mm cast more

than every caster

[spice spire]

They aim so hard

[iron mist]

what's the 2nd stats prio for assa rogues?

[marble hemlock]

raid>bots

[iron mist]

how much acceleration do i need?

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Le’s collection has an envenom tracker in there

[waxen oyster]

Unless its hfc mm

Where your tier bonus was

your aimed shot is instant cast