assassination

[soft surge]

what do u use in dungeons with skardyn

[gleaming spire]

The uptime on the debuff is very low

[grim jay]

yeah its always great to use a defensive for minimal dps gains

[gleaming spire]

Ritual knife very good

[crisp pine]

that's the dps way

If I pop all my defensives I can stay in this puddle for one gcd longer guys

[grim jay]

no

the dps way to just use smth different

[arctic socket]

You can infact cloak the knife debuff

And knife is a rly nice trinket

Especially on hero track

[grim jay]

did you like

read what we said

[arctic socket]

No

[grim jay]

fair

[worldly wave]

Hello I am new here used to play unho dk, this atch I went assassin rogue. I cant fet past 70tg parse. Can anyone check what is it I can imrpove, besode the gems enchants potions? Name is Amagrim. Doomhammer eu

[arctic socket]

I saw a knife posted

And I’m like that’s pretty nice

Has speed

[gleaming spire]

This was knife debuff uptime in +11 mists for me

[normal mist]

Send a log and if people are free they will review it

[arctic socket]

The only time knife ever feels bad is when it procs during cooldowns outside of that it’s goated

[worldly wave]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/doomhammer/amagrim#boss=2902

Thank you

[grim jay]

yeah and thats why I dont like it

[arctic socket]

That rarely happens

And it’s really only impactful if you like negative roll mastery or crit

[gleaming spire]

Its fair to not like it for that but it's so infrequent it makes up for it during the periods you are not debuffed

[grim jay]

because we hate other stats right

[grim jay]

cant really "Make up for it"

that cd window is down bad then

its always ultimately was than if it didnt happen there

[gleaming spire]

Sure, but you use mad queens instead, your cd window using skardyns only benefits from 1200 crit from mad queens

[normal mist]

Klemen log review

[arctic socket]

I mean yesno ish

[normal mist]

Anyone who wants to tag in feel free

[grim jay]

unlucky, they do

vers is just flat dmg

and haste in cds should be logical since we still like pi

[grim jay]

yeah but knife amps your damage outside of cds if it procs during and your dmg outside is shit

mandate just works regardless

[gleaming spire]

That's absolutely not true

We are very good outside of cds

[grim jay]

oh ye sure

[arctic socket]

I wouldn’t say “very” good but its definitely a lot better then before

[eager tree]

well first thing i notice is you vanish 2s into the fight

[arctic socket]

Go to the thread

[gleaming spire]

Maybe you are referring to a raid boss scenario, yes cds are a lot bigger but in a general dungeon scenario our sustained damage is nice

[grim jay]

you dont use mandate in m+ either

[arctic socket]

Mandate is goated in m+

[gleaming spire]

I agree mandate is worse in m+

[arctic socket]

That healing it does come in handy with how much it is on top of those prio target burns

(I don’t use my mandate in m+ I use Kara egg)

[grim jay]

the healing is so mid

and sin got tons of prio anyways

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warped belfry]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[midnight mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen furnace]

what is the best trinket pair for raid single target and best pair for m+

[grim jay]

!guide

[grim jay]

you killed the bot

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

holy mother of delay

[midnight mist]

I am the bot killer

yes

[sullen hearth]

bot assassin

[past panther]

rip bot

[keen furnace]

for example i see this

but double on use is bad i assume?

so sac/skardyn would be best combo?

[nova aspen]

bloodmallet assumes a certain profile

would not trust it

[sharp viper]

depends on the on-use, double buff on-use like transmitter and skardyn's are not that great. skardyn's+ mandate however is

[stark yew]

i hate my life

[past panther]

that’s pog gz

[pliant remnant]

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-kek-intensifies-kek_intensifies-gif-10111909

[past panther]

Oh wait it’s int

LOL

[placid adder]

It’s jover

[magic ginkgo]

[past panther]

Rip 90 emblems

[nova aspen]

[stark yew]

i dont know why when i tracked the recipe i tracked stabber

but when i craft i clicked on dagger

[tropic tundra]

smartest assassin alive

[stark yew]

[keen furnace]

oh interesting thanks

[sharp viper]

not just the crest but also the spark is RIP

[stark yew]

throne and liberty here i go

yeah jsut spark and gold, i think crest carryover to your other weap if u eveer upgrade it?

[sharp viper]

at least you'll have the intelligence to not make such a mistake again

[past panther]

Yeah that’s roooough

[stark yew]

or will i need to spent crests again if i ever get myth weap

[nova aspen]

at least he transmogged it to an agility dagger

[past panther]

[stark yew]

[brisk path]

intel will give poison dmg

[past panther]

I’d be more pissed about the crests. The affix this weeks sucks soooo bad.

[stark yew]

yeah affix in key 10

has 35m hp

[past panther]

At least they undid the buff to it

[stark yew]

at least im not the only one

ENCHANTED as well

i had my enchant ready

[brisk plank]

Guys is it stupid to play myth track 626 Sacbrood in m+ instead of hero delve/crystal trinket? It sims almost -2% in all scenarios except in st compared to 2 other mentioned

Im pushing +10's and +11's atm

Figured sac might be good for the bosses but im unsure for overall performance

[grim jay]

noone knows what your gear looks like

but with proper gear the crystal sims roughly the same as sac in st aswell

but with myth sac it all might be a different story yet again at max ilvl

generally trinkets are rather close

[south prawn]

Wait whats the crystal trinket

[grim jay]

dawnbreaker

[oblique olive]

just picked up rogue again after not playing it since shadowlands, in ST i have negative energy

[stark yew]

i think thats just how sin is

[hollow stone]

Open a ticket and they will likely fix it for you

[stark yew]

dont think they would but worth a try i guess

[oblique olive]

im like perma waiting on 1 mutilate

terrible

[hollow stone]

This happened all the time last xpac and they always did

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/ecSwClc.png epic

[stark yew]

owhh really, thats nice

i'll try

[dusty zenith]

is it worth crafting a neck with spark? If so which one?

[nova aspen]

does ur neck suck? if so, then sure

[dusty zenith]

ya it does

[nova aspen]

probably the basic neck, since ur going to want embellishments elsewhere

[dusty zenith]

I have 2 dawnthread already on belt and wrist

[nova aspen]

yea so then ur stuck with crafting the basic neck anyway

cant remember the name

[dusty zenith]

I see it in the work order place

amulet of earthen craftmanship

[nova aspen]

yea, then u can sim all the stat combinations

id guess haste mastery for deathstalker and crit mastery for fatebound, but i could be wrong depending on your profile

[arctic socket]

If you don’t care to sim crit mastery is always a safe option

[nova aspen]

^

[fallow flax]

guys can i swap iron wire for lightweight shiv in M+?

[arctic socket]

Nah

[coral ibex]

no

[arctic socket]

Keep iron wire

[coral ibex]

iron wire is insane

[spice spire]

You can technically do that. I wouldn’t though

Like

I never would

[nova aspen]

maybe if u had a 2nd rogue in the group also using iron wire?

[fallow flax]

i know its insane, but my tank never lets me stealth so i feel like its being a wasted talent

[coral ibex]

[dusty zenith]

switching out iron wire is like putting diesel gas in an unleaded gas car... it dont work

[fallow flax]

its driving me nuts

[coral ibex]

yea i bet you get no restealths

[fallen arch]

Swapping out iron wire is bad

[arctic socket]

If you’re using vanish

[coral ibex]

0

[arctic socket]

You’re getting more value from that

[coral ibex]

literally 0

[arctic socket]

Then you would lightweight shiv

[spice spire]

The whispyr strat

[fallow flax]

def not 0

im getting like maybe 4-5 excluding vanishes

[modest ivy]

you need to do higher keys ;). That's where my tank need a break lol

[fallow flax]

like did a GB just now

[coral ibex]

doubt it’s that low

[spice spire]

Hang back if possible

[fallow flax]

that shit was just straight pain

[spice spire]

GB kind of a fiesta for ape tanks

[arctic socket]

I mean technically

Could use double vanish

[spice spire]

I play with the apest tank known to man.

[coral ibex]

show log

[spice spire]

Don’t.

[normal kindle]

The Siphoning Stiletto is an excellent weapon for an Assassination Rogue, given its high agility, beneficial secondary stats, and unique damage-dealing effect. It should serve well in both solo and group content, provided the random nature of its special effect aligns with your combat strategy.

[spice spire]

Chat gpt ahh mf

[normal kindle]

haha

[arctic socket]

Ask chat gpt the cons and pros about restealth

Please

Ooo

[spice spire]

I’d rather oedipus my eyes away

[arctic socket]

Or why we shouldn’t use double vanish

[nova aspen]

this, tanking running to next pack and i finish off a straggler

able to restealth even when hes balls deep into the next pack

[arctic socket]

If you’re tank is pulling something into another pack and the pack is at like 2-6% he’s just kinda tanking wrong

[native seal]

double equip trinkets seem to sim pretty well for keys (also in ST) anyone having run that?

[arctic socket]

For the group composition

[normal kindle]

the ability for a Rogue to restealth has a number of strategic pros and cons, influencing gameplay significantly, especially in PvP scenarios but also in PvE. Here’s a breakdown of the advantages and disadvantages:

Pros:
Initiating Combat: Restealthing allows a Rogue to choose when and where to initiate combat, often enabling the opening attack to be on their terms, usually with a powerful opener like Cheap Shot or Ambush.

Control Over Engagements: In both PvP and PvE, being able to restealth can allow Rogues to reset their positioning, escape from unfavorable situations, or prepare for a more advantageous attack.

Increased Survivability: By dropping out of combat and entering stealth, Rogues can often avoid damage and heal up, either through eating food in PvE or using abilities like Recuperate in PvP.

Tactical Maneuvers: Stealth offers tactical advantages, such as bypassing enemies in both PvP and PvE environments, or securing objectives in battlegrounds without drawing attention.

Utility in Groups: In group settings, restealthing can allow Rogues to perform actions without being noticed, like sapping or blinding additional enemies during an encounter.

Cons:
Cooldowns and Delays: Abilities like Vanish have a cooldown, which can limit how often a Rogue can restealth. This makes timing crucial and sometimes risky if the ability is on cooldown when needed most.

Area of Effect (AoE) and Damage over Time (DoT): Enemies using AoE or DoT effects can prevent restealthing by keeping the Rogue in combat or breaking their stealth if it’s applied after stealth has been activated.

Limited by Environment: Certain environments or situations, especially crowded ones with lots of AoE spells, can make restealthing challenging or nearly impossible.

Dependency on Stealth: Over-reliance on stealth for effectiveness can sometimes backfire, especially if opponents anticipate this tactic and prepare for it with abilities that reveal stealth or protect against it.

Predictability in PvP: Experienced players are often aware of a Rogue’s tendency to restealth and prepare countermeasures, such as placing traps or using abilities that reveal stealth around strategic locations.

Strategic Use:
Timing and placement: Effective use of restealth often depends on good timing and strategic placement to maximize its benefits and minimize its risks.
Adapting strategies: Adapting your use of restealth based on your opponents' classes and tendencies can significantly enhance its effectiveness.
Restealth is a powerful tool in a Rogue's arsenal, offering significant strategic depth and variety to gameplay. Understanding when and how to use it best is key to mastering the Rogue class in World of Warcraft.

[rocky notch]

what time are you simming

[nova aspen]

[native seal]

5 min patchwerk

[arctic socket]

Ask it why we shouldn’t use double vanish

[normal kindle]

easy answer we are no PIG

[spice spire]

[stark yew]

so restealth is not 100% needed all the time?

[rocky notch]

on use trinkets are only as good as your usage of them

[modest ivy]

It helps spread the dots quickly, but It is not a huge DPS loss. what I have notice if you can get bleed up and apply crimpson, you should be good.

[dusty zenith]

main thing is to get caustic spatter up and going

start spamming fok

[grim vigil]

Indiscriminate Carnage guys, is this talent "acting" smart, In an aoe M+ opener if use multiple garrotes and ruptures on 1 target in a grp of 7, will the garrote and rupture "act" smart and spread to all 7 mobs, or can it happen that in spreads to the same 3 targets multiple times

[spice surge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[grim vigil]

Wow thx AMAZING it actually works how i want it to

gj blizzard

[modest ivy]

In m+, do you guys start with Ambush to get the deathstaker up? I noticed, if I use ambush, I can't squeez in three garote and rapture in 6 sec window.

[uncut ermine]

I struggle a lot with single target fights and being starved for energy, i try to limit envenoms for use only when i have 1 second left of the buff after CDs to pool energy, is there something else that Im missing?

[gleaming spire]

If u don't have darkest night active yeah

Ambush gar rupture rupture gar

Some form of that usually works fine

[slow tulip]

90% of the time you have the darkest night, cuz 20 sec is enough from pull to pull

[buoyant mortar]

Is this just take a socket vault?

[still jewel]

If you open with ambush does Iron wire still work for the 6sec After getting out of stealth talent ? Or its only if you open with garrote

[midnight atlas]

it works.

[still jewel]

Ty

[midnight atlas]

5s because you lose 1gcd to ambush

[still jewel]

Fair enough

[modest ivy]

Do you apply deathstaker to low health mob to get darkest night proc? I have not tried it, so curious how to get more Darkest night proc

[midnight atlas]

no lol

[errant mauve]

You apply it to the dead mob to get full value

[limber lion]

You Ambush the first pack of the dungeon

After that you have the DN proc for the entire dungeon

Which you just juggle

[midnight atlas]

if you got darkest night you start pack with garrotes and ruptures, and then you pick highest hp mob and apply deathstalker mark on it + cds

[errant mauve]

Wait I thought darkest night was applied with ambush only how do you have it always after first pack?

[ripe carbon]

if a target with deathstalkers mark dies, it gives u darkest night

[harsh cliff]

There are times I’ve gone for lowest Hp instead and I get more DN procs chaining from one mob to another before it dies. But usually highest hp

[ripe carbon]

so if youre doing a pack etc. and it dies, it gives u darkest night

or if you do 3 5+ cp spends, it gives darkest night aswell

[errant mauve]

And from there it just keeps reapplying mark to new target til it’s dead

[ripe carbon]

then darkest night can apply deathstalkers mark by using a max CP envenom

or u can ambush and apply

[modest ivy]

5+ consumes the DM, but if you are hitting the high health mob, you have to consume all DM to get the DN proc.

[ripe carbon]

thats what i said, 3 5+ cp spends

[spice surge]

You have to weight the extra procs of darkest night VS the cost of swapping caustics around and needing to use more mutilates

[ripe carbon]

or if target dies

[spice surge]

Rather than just keeping it on one dude and not trying to snipe low health ones

[harsh cliff]

That’s a good point, so is there value to this type of sniping/chaining or is FoK going to outweigh?

[spice surge]

So it might be good in some scenarios, but its not a catch-all always do this type of thing to snipe low health mobs for more procs

[coral ibex]

its more value to just rupture snipe low targets to have more energy to funnel into your prio target

[modest ivy]

Similar question: how to get more DN proc from a ST? I notice I do get Ambush proc during fight without vanish. Is there a way to fully consume DM to get DN before reapplying the DM? I do see some players do get a much higher % of crit from Envenom.

[coral ibex]

mouseover macro or something

[slim pebble]

Vicious venoms bugged right

[limber lion]

huh?

[grim jay]

is that some new copy paste meme thing

[grim jay]

no

[slim pebble]

I thought it was being discussed last night

[grim jay]

maybe they have more crit

overall

[limber lion]

@spice surge

[grim jay]

not that I know of, but I wasnt here last night

maybe eleem or whispyr

[coral ibex]

you should be rushing to consume DN procs, so maybe they're getting more DN procs per fight resulting in more envenom crits

[limber lion]

Eleem knows everything

We'll see what he says

[coral ibex]

whenever you have the capstone you should be rushing 7cp envenom to consume

[slim pebble]

I went to bed reading that improved garrote was ahead by a small margin due to a bug

[grim jay]

but you dont pick either VV or imp garr

you'd pick both

[fallow flax]

oh they fixed bubbling wax

[grim jay]

but lets wait for eleem

[limber lion]

Huh?

That's the exact point of the no-IG build

Is to go full ham on VV

And no bleeds whatsoever

Not taking IG/Sang/SS saves points to use on VV etc

[modest ivy]

I try to consume DN as soon as possible. I guess need more practice and see how it goes.

[grim jay]

multiple of the high simming builds have both and if imp would be stronger due to some bug you would still pick both

[limber lion]

If Imp would be strong?

I mean if VV is bugged, then you wouldn't play it

It sims barely higher than anything and only on full st

[grim jay]

depends on what the bug is

[limber lion]

It doesn't have to be much

For you to take literally any other node in the tree

[grim jay]

the main takeaway from the VV builds imo is not running SB

and the better no SB builds run VV

[slim pebble]

I got this message, came into chat and whispyr said his pin disappeared. But the yappening was happening and I couldn’t find it

[limber lion]

Like Whispyr still has this build in Wowhead

[grim jay]

yeah but he also says they all are close

[zealous star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[grim jay]

and he has that pin

with all the valid versions

[limber lion]

What pin

[grim jay]

well nvm had

he removed it

[limber lion]

But yeah

The main point of the VV build was to drop the bleed nodes to allow you to take VV

But then people started playing 1 VV and Improved Garrote

Like this is a popular build

But it's only 1 VV

Not 2

And if VV is bad/bugged, you're taking Sang

[grim jay]

is one of the builds of the pin

[limber lion]

Good thing I'm already playing this build

[grim jay]

and the highest simming no sb build for me

[limber lion]

I mean

At the end of the day

Nothing matters

It's all within like 0.2%

There's no reason to play VV unless it's super giga only ST

It's not miles better than Sang + IP

Or Sang + IG

[grim jay]

its one less thing to care for

over any sang build

tho

[limber lion]

What would you have to care for in a Sang build

You don't play around it whatsoever

It's just strictly worse to play VV in cleave than Sang

[grim jay]

you stay below 50% energy

[limber lion]

Yes

Which happens naturally anyways

[grim jay]

how

it changes how you pool

so its not exactly naturally

[heavy trail]

darn the crafted dagger expensive to make lol

[grim jay]

however much it is, it is something

[limber lion]

Well "naturally" people very hardly if ever pool from 0 to max

[nova aspen]

u mean the stabber

[limber lion]

You spend so much time refreshing ruptures, maintaining Envenom uptime that you're hardly ever getting above 50% unless you're actively trying to do that

[nova aspen]

[limber lion]

Like 2x VV for me is literally 0.1% better

Than fully going bleeds with IG + Sang + SS

[blissful cosmos]

is it really worth using fan of knives in single target with clear of the witness proc

[limber lion]

And is actually a viable build outside of single target as well

[limber lion]

It is if you're not playing VV

[autumn remnant]

wasnt there a pool command

[limber lion]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[autumn remnant]

ty

[slim pebble]

I have a meeting to go to. Can someone @ meet if we hear about VV

[crisp sluice]

Any coaches for hire? Not for the basics I'm A CE player I just am having a bit of trouble this tier and wanna to over a couple specifics
DM me

[chilly marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

Yes and no. The mark bug that sucks for sub (aka you cant go below 3 marks when darkest night is up) is also a bit bad for VV since you'd want to use vanish when darkest night is up to "cheat" an extra stack

But also im fairly sure VV is still bugged and doesnt work with shiv nature increase

But sim match the ingame behaviour

[brisk pulsar]

is it worth crafting second dagger if not doing mythic raid for dagger?

[grim jay]

no

2nd dagger is your worst slot

[spice surge]

Offhand is the least important slot

[brisk pulsar]

roger

[drifting cedar]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[drifting cedar]

So we dont pool as deathstalker?

[gritty sundial]

Hi guys, does anyone have a simple plater profile to use for assassination? I tried some of the ones I found on Wago and didn't like them as they 'remove clutter' which includes crimson tempest

[cursive flicker]

You still pool so you don’t run yourself out of energy as I understand it, you’re just not spamming tf out of mutilate between envenoms. Get your cp up and ready and let your autos do the talking

[normal kindle]

GPTMEME

[limber lion]

!wa

[grim jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[limber lion]

My plater profile here is tailored for Assassination Rogue

It filters out crap, but it doesn't filter out Crimson Tempest

[novel star]

woah

perfect back to back moroes

rare

[gritty sundial]

Ok I'll give it a shot tyvm!

[gleaming spire]

Cev do you have the string to change deathstalkers mark plate to purple? Whispyrs had this but i was unable to copy it into my own

[limber lion]

Well it's a script

And yes

You can just joink it from the profile

[gleaming spire]

Sweet

[urban moat]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[gritty sundial]

tyvm for your profile it works perfect I just added pandemic glow and it's exaclty what I was after

[limber lion]

It should already have pandemic glow

[wicked valve]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD I WAS JUST TYPING THAT.

[urban moat]

haha

[limber lion]

Oh look, the pandemic is bugged

Good shout, time to fix

[gleaming spire]

Profile actually looks really clean, time to bin mine

[harsh anchor]

I had a dream where Whispyr was trying to convince the rogue discord to microwave cucumbers

[normal mist]

Did it work?

[wicked valve]

I microwave mine before they go inside me.

More malleable.

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[harsh anchor]

Some people had trouble getting it microwaved and we had a pin about proper settings for your microwave for optimal cucumber limpness

[marble cedar]

Can I ask perhaps an odd Assassination question: if you're applying your Garrote/Rupture to multiple enemies after your Deathstalker opener with Ambush, how do you reliably find your Deathstalker marked target again? Obviously you can see it, but clicking it feels an issue in a big big pack

[gritty sundial]

Oh haha sweet thanks let me know when fixed and I'll update it ^^

[keen viper]

which daggers are good before raid drops?

[strange python]

I asked this the other day. The answer was most don’t come off their deathstalkers mark and apply bleeds with mouse over macros..

..which still involves clicking awkwardly

[half tartan]

For your platter, do you recolor mobs in dungeons,? Also how does it handle a cast-bar vs interruptable vs non interruptable? I had a really nice platter that broke on War Within(Atrocity's old ElvUI finally gave out all his scripts and such broke).

[vocal cradle]

In keys for mob packs do I need to worry about opening with ambush? Or just open with it in my main target?

I'm wondering if I'm losing possible spread by not opening with garrote

[marble cedar]

That sounds a PITA

[deep gyro]

U only open with ambush to apply deathstalkers mark but ideally after that first pack then u should open with gar/rup depending on cp because darkest night is active.

[vocal cradle]

I use either a weakaura or plater thing to make it glow

[vocal cradle]

Word, thanks!

[deep gyro]

And in that scenario ur applying ur mark later so no need to worry bout mouseovers if it’s too much.

[strange python]

But doesn’t the mark double your bleeds? So don’t you need to get it on first to benefit from that?

[deep gyro]

Well maybe im doing something wrong but i use the out of stealth timer to get my bleeds up then apply mark. Maybe its not optimal i am but a scrub :0 which is why i lurk to learn.

[strange python]

Me too. What you said makes sense though so now I’m curious what is best. Hopefully someone can answer us

[marble cedar]

Have you a link to the WA?

[deep gyro]

At the same time by the time im done setting up, spatter is up and am consuming dn which doesnt feel bad either.

[marble cedar]

Last question as I haven't played Assassination since its rework, if everyone has garrot/rup/tempest, you should be spamming envenom, right?

[deep gyro]

Make sure spatter is up but ye

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strange python]

Am using whispyrs currently which has colour coding, am sure the others probably do too

Purple = death marked target
Green = caustic spatter target
Both (ideal) = light blue

[safe barn]

@limber lion why is the hybrid build is considered best for higher keys than the bleed one? do you know?

[marble cedar]

Will try it, thanks Dog

[limber lion]

Alright just updated it, should work now :)

[tawny geyser]

Anyone knows why my Deathstalker wont reapply on this Anima CP? Well, sometimes it does, sometimes not. Probably missing something or haven't read good enough :/

or the Weakaura is bugged

[vocal cradle]

Some dude dm'd it to me let me find it

[limber lion]

I do recolor yes. I use a hybrid of Quazii's coloring and my coloring. I will need to update it to match better, but yes I color important mobs that need to be interrupted etc.

Also casts are colored, red casts are important casts that you need to CC (uninterruptable) and dark casts are frontals (uninterruptable). Other casts are not colored and are casts that you can interrupt.

[limber lion]

You're both talking about different marks

He's talking about Deathstalker's Mark, not Deathmark

You apply Deathstalker's Mark with Ambush or DN

[limber lion]

It is correct, if you have DN ready, you spread bleeds first and then apply it with Envenom

[strange python]

Derp sorry, so it’s deathmark that doubles bleeds. My bad

[limber lion]

Hybrid does more single target damage, which is more beneficial for higher keys that have prio mobs or keys where the key fails because of a hard boss fight.

[marble cedar]

Thank ya

[limber lion]

Sudden Demise is also super crazy for lower keys because it can proc from a higher % because the mobs have lower health in total

But in higher keys it doesn't get as much benefit

It's still super good and is not reflected in the sims

[limber lion]

@slim pebble

[vocal minnow]

Sudden demise doesn't give you more damage. It just makes the damage loss a bit less

[limber lion]

Well it does

[fallen arch]

Can anyone explain me how current gems work? Like do you want as many different ones as possible for that stackable 0.15% crit bonus? Or is like, one per color enough?

[limber lion]

Mobs literally die faster if you have SD

And it does damage

[frozen iris]

For some reason this expansion I have been having issues clicking on targets or intractables like feasts or cauldrons

Anybody else having issues?

[limber lion]

Not really

[vocal minnow]

You need to spend resources that deal 1500 dmg in order to deal 1000.

[limber lion]

Yes

That's how it works yeah

[strange python]

So just to be clear , it is deathmark that doubles bleeds? Do the bleeds need to be applied after?

[limber lion]

But a mob that would die in 60 seconds would die in 58 seconds with Sudden Demise

But it's true, there's no direct damage component to it

But you are maintaining bleeds at all times

[spice spire]

Doesn’t it +10% bleed damage?

Or am I lit

[limber lion]

That too, but that is in the sims

[spice spire]

Yeah

So like

[limber lion]

But the active part isn't

[spice spire]

Yeah and that’s like not a huge component. But it exists

[limber lion]

Well it kinda can be

For me Sudden Demise did like 4% last dungeon

Which is just 4% extra dam that I would have otherwise lost

in the void

[frigid kestrel]

But your spending those bleeds anyways, SD is providing you that damage.

It’s really semantics at this point. Saying SD is just saving you a loss in damage is practically the same as saying it gives you more damage.

[limber lion]

There is a difference there for sure

Like if you don't refresh your bleeds and the perfectly expire before the target dies, then you get nothing out of SD

[vocal minnow]

No because you could just spatter more envenoms instead of having mobs die with 20s bleed left

You just use that for free Energy if you need it

[junior aurora]

i dont think you’d lose all 4% right

[limber lion]

No

[coral ibex]

are you letting your bleeds expire as a result?

[limber lion]

That's why Sudden Demise is impossible to sim

[cinder quartz]

isn't SD inefficient bleed damage? like it's better than your bleeds having 20s on them when the mob dies, but you're getting 50% of a global's worth of damage

or whatever the conversion is

[soft shale]

yea no way to sim when you deathmark and have lots of bleeds on a mofo that he will have time to die 3 secs

[junior aurora]

but even half of that is still worth taking

bc of the passive bleed amp

[limber lion]

It's impossible to say if a mob dying 2s earlier with SD is a gain or loss because you lose that 2s of hitting the target

[limber lion]

It's just loss prevention like Zaionara said

[novel star]

+77m for free yummy yummers

all i really have to say on the topic

me likey !

[soft shale]

man i wish i had queens mandate this week

[vocal minnow]

Now imagine if you'd press envenom more instead of having big bleeds run out

[soft shale]

seeing the bitch ass mob get hit by 11m+ snackers

by other people

[novel star]

my envenom isnt going to go from 9.8 to 14.3% buddy

[vocal minnow]

• spatter

"buddy"

[junior aurora]

hes not ur buddy pal

[soft shale]

no shot envenom beats ct and spatter

[vocal minnow]

• having an actual good capstone talent

[novel star]

spatter is also not going to gain that much

[cursive flicker]

Anyone know if there’s a weak aura that tells you when queens mandate will kill a target?

[novel star]

arguing in any way against sd being good is insane cope you never choose to send a dogshit -20% agility envenom because muh inefficient sd conversion

[vocal minnow]

It's fine man. Bleed your +7 mobs out

[prisma tundra]

if we ignore all the other factors how much damage is an envenom 7 point vs rupture 7 point on a single target

assuming u have an envenom buff ready and all the normal stuff ud have before envenoming

[limber lion]

Envenom is obviously like 3-5 times worse than Rupture

[low ruin]

I'm a little confused by this Sim, can you guys help?
patchwerk 2 targets, recommended m+ buiild.

Why the additional 2 garrotes?

seems to happen every vanish window

[soft shale]

to get pandemic

[acoustic roost]

Extending pandemic empowered garrotes

[soft shale]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

Probably sim thinking that IC Garrote is more efficient CP generation than Fan of Knives/Mutilate

[soft shale]

that too fan can be 1cp if you are unlucker

[limber lion]

We don't do that

[low ruin]

forcing pandemic instantly tho? seems odd?

[acoustic roost]

Wasn’t it a gain back in BFA days?

[limber lion]

Yes it was

5 years ago

[soft shale]

no read what cev wrote

[limber lion]

With Shrouded Suffocation

And 80% haste

And Exsanguinate

And Vendetta

[novel star]

from 100 parse mythic rashanan

bleeds are just obviously insane though

dpe moment

[soft shale]

man i had a build with my mastery stack gear of 3 nothing personals and the essence that procced vendetta automatically

was so fun

[prisma tundra]

what im wondering about is if a mob has like 10% hp for example in grim batol where u bomb them

[limber lion]

Nothing Personal, yeah

[prisma tundra]

would u still rupture cuz its more dmg execute than envenom

[soft shale]

NP was like 70% of my dmg

brrrrrrrrrrr

[novel star]

no

[prisma tundra]

what about ur energy tho

[novel star]

for energy sure

but not for damage

[prisma tundra]

cuz its a lot of mobs on no hp

[normal mist]

I liked most of BFA azerite traits

[prisma tundra]

and u couldnt spatter without rupture up

[limber lion]

Rupture is 5 times better than Envenom because it lasts for 32 seconds

But if you apply it to a target with 10% hp

It lasts for like 3s

And suddenly it's 3 times worse than using an Envenom flatout

[prisma tundra]

ye but u get the execute with it

so its not like u lose all the 32 seconds of value

[limber lion]

You have Rupture on targets anyways

[novel star]

the execute is not 1:1 efficient though

[limber lion]

You do not rupture for damage

ever

[novel star]

u have to 50% overkill them before sd triggers

[limber lion]

We Rupture for energy gain or Scent of Blood

[novel star]

and also ur cucking spatter

rupture doesnt need to be active for spatter to be active just to apply it

youd rather mutilate and spatter again after ruptures go down

than spend all ur cp on a shit rupture

unless its 4 the energy

[subtle tundra]

i miss my azerite powers...

except that they are now in the game

and i hated them

maybe i dont miss them

[novel star]

i dont even really remember azerite powers i played right at da end of bfa

[spice spire]

I miss us varas

[novel star]

when it was all about ur sexy corruptions

[subtle tundra]

i have job and uni. every day is wake up at 6:30 and get home at 21(except today cause i skipped uni to go to gym)

its the first week aswell

and im mentally done!

[spice spire]

That’s life babe

[subtle tundra]

nah it will only get better

ill work for a year at my current place and then try to get a closer work place/work from home
and masters is 2 years only

so it will get better

[iron valve]

If the root question is "how do I efficiently kill a group of enemies that start at 10% health" the answer is probably open as normal, because IC garrote, rupture, SBS is very efficient. and you get some of the overkill back with IC execute and rupture energy refund
that's a different question from "should I rupture a target at very low health to try to trigger IC execute"

[subtle tundra]

if i dont cope ill fucking concede mentally

[grim jay]

proud of you for what its worth.
people here rarely work while studying

[subtle tundra]

thanks!

[strange python]

People here rarely work

[subtle tundra]

though it does suck to get home and instantly have to boot up wow cause raid has started and im late

but prog will soon(TM) be over

[grim jay]

know that feeling. I worked while going to school and had a second job while being a trainee to pay off the house debt with my mother bcs my parents divorced as I was 15

sometimes stuff is rough, but if you pull through its all worth it as you as a person grow

and you can be proud of yourself doing what many others dont

[subtle tundra]

well im not doing this cause i need the money
i just wanted to work

[grim jay]

thats kinda admirable, I think most people wouldnt if not for the money

[subtle tundra]

which is kind of questionable

hope ill be a better person!

[safe barn]

i see, i will miss the ambush proc though

[grim jay]

people around here all think of how they can work less

before they even work

like 4 day weeks, only working half a day or becoming some influencer person

[stable flint]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[limber lion]

Yeah but that pretty much only helps in ST boss fights because all the other time you're spamming FoK and are energy saturated anyways

[spring moat]

a few I know don’t necessarily need the additional income work a side job for something to do

[grim jay]

well if you just got out of school and are studying, you either work, get help from the state or your parents pay

[wise mist]

are you guys sticking with sin most of the time this expac? or do you swap to sub for certain raid bosses/dungeon?

[split veldt]

do we have to have rushed setup, because my heart wants shadowrunner

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[grim jay]

no but shadowrunner is useless

rushed setup has atleast some use

[split veldt]

but move speed

[grim jay]

MS thats mostly useless

[normal mist]

So you can wait for the party for longer

[grim jay]

bcs you will mount if possible

and if not you have sprint

and a slow team

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-ugh-fine-gif-12676450205444971845

[acoustic roost]

Probably sticking with sin the whole way. Saw exile play sin for WF princess and council and I’m sure Queen will be nerfed enough by the time I get there for it not to matter (playing sub)

[soft shale]

exile played sub for queen but for council he did play sin

sin is fine either way

[south lava]

spyglass or empowering crsytal which is stronger for m+ guys

[grim jay]

whatever sims higher

[warped belfry]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wise mist]

seeing lots of sub pop up in keys now and exile was ripping on queen as sub

[south lava]

its the same?

[wise mist]

even with me prioritizing sin secondaries im simming higher on st 2 min burst as sub..

[grim jay]

the holy 2 min sims

very applicable on content where spec matters

[steel geyser]

Maybe cause in a 2min sim, sub gets to burst twice while assa once

👀

[proven jungle]

i know yall gonna call me a shitter

but

anyone have hekilli settings optimized for assasination

[wise mist]

100%, was just doing it to peep the sims. im super low on vers rn so i was kinda taking it with a grain of salt

[tall jay]

For H Court. Do we keep our dots on both or just cleave?

[lethal arrow]

keep rupture on the one u dont have deathstalkers mark up

[spring moat]

Hekili is bad for rogues

[lethal arrow]

(i think)

[grim jay]

ye it just universally sucks for rogue

the turning it off is the best setting

[past panther]

Does death mark feel kinda weak to anyone else compared to other 2 min cd’s?

[proven jungle]

thanks bro very helpful

/s

[frigid pilot]

Buddy of mine has their mythic lockout reset, anyone else here see that this week?

Had*

[steel geyser]

I've heard some people had this happen last week

[celest mirage]

Does spending darkest night or crimson tempest have a higher prio in aoe?

[steel geyser]

Not us tho

[frigid pilot]

Did they get their items rolled back?

[steel geyser]

Idk, I don't think so

[brisk forge]

Sub will not be better then assa atm

[frigid pilot]

wild they get dbl the mythic loot

rofl

[steel geyser]

Yeah

I mean you an also indefenitely farm mythic trash loot farm

Drops 2 items / armor type 629 + ring

Better gear than every early boss

[eager tree]

actually something i was wondering as well

[proven jasper]

dn

more dn’s = good

[eager tree]

so dn after bleeds before CT?

like if youre opening a new pack

[proven jasper]

I would dn as soon as spatter is up

[eager tree]

which is after spreading bleeds, ok sounds good

[steel geyser]

I do apply CT before my DN but that's feelcraft

[proven jasper]

You def want ct out

[limber lion]

CT > Mark

[proven jasper]

They are talking about dn

Not mark

[limber lion]

..............

DN is mark

brother

[proven jasper]

if you have dn already you should just get it out no?

[limber lion]

If you have 17 mobs

And you apply Mark to one target

Instead of CT to all 17 mobs

Which one do you think is better?

[proven jasper]

well no one said anything about 17 mobs

but yeah obviously ct there

[limber lion]

Okay let's say 3 mobs then

You think Mark is better than CT on 3 mobs?

[proven jasper]

isnt mark what you have to proc three times before dn

Or am i tripping

[limber lion]

DN is the thing

that applies the mark

my brother

You use the DN proc

[proven jasper]

Correct

[limber lion]

To apply the mark

Anyways

[proven jasper]

I mean they are both high prio either way

Lol

[limber lion]

You want CT and bleeds up asap

Then mark

[proven jasper]

You want to use both either way

[limber lion]

Mark is #1 prio in single

DSM doesn't really do much in aoe

[long oyster]

I thought ambush applied the mark?

[limber lion]

A lot of people just tend to skip out on it entirely unless it alligns automatically

Yes and so does DN

[acoustic roost]

The original question was what do you prio apply first

[proven jasper]

You want all bleeds up

And then spatter dn

So ct first

[zealous tundra]

yo, does anyone know good guilds or ppl that can help with queen on HC? so tired of pugs constantly failing on P1 and leaving, just desperately need that spelunker and item

[eager tree]

the DN-buffed envenom does way more damage than the stealthed ambush right? so we should look to apply DSM with DN rather than ambush where possible

is that correct

[limber lion]

Yes

[proven jasper]

ofc

[limber lion]

The benefit of Ambush is that you get the Mark up immediately

So you can start reducing it down with Ruptures and CT

But if you use DN, you would use the Ruptures and CT first

Missing out on the mark consumptions

[eager tree]

if you ambush to get DSM, youd use all 3 stacks on the 2 ruptures and CT anyways right? then your envenom after spatter would be DN buffed regardless

[turbid ridge]

Do you only use Thistle Tea during Kingsbane windows?

[spice spire]

Shiv

So in st

Yeah

[long oyster]

How do you get mark up if you don't open with ambush? I'm talking M+ and opening in aoe packs

[turbid ridge]

Ok, ty!

[eager tree]

presumably you have a DN proc from a previous pack

[long oyster]

So you would open with ambush on the very first pack of the key then use DN procs to apply mark on every pack after that?

[eager tree]

sure in theory. if DN drops off because of RP or a death or something obvi youd need to ambush to reapply it

[fallen arch]

Is this current affix working for us btw?

[eager tree]

yes its desyncing dm/kb from skardyns grace it sucks ass

[iron carbon]

It un-sync my trinket / CD

[subtle tundra]

Yes deathstalker is a very flawed tree

[long oyster]

That's all very helpful, thank you ❤️

[iron carbon]

And Vanish from DM too

Cuz DM got reduced but not Vanish

Shitty affix tbh

[eager tree]

but i guess what i'm saying is its smarter to open with ambush on a pack regardless of if you have a DN proc or not, because you'll consume all 3 stacks on the fresh DSM before you'd naturally apply the DN proc with envenom anyways

or asking rather

[iron carbon]

No, cause ambush does not apply mark instantly if you got DN

It wait the end of DN buff

[vagrant brook]

right now if you have DN up the new mark you applied with ambush is not consumed until after you proc the DN

[eager tree]

ohh gotcha, thought that bugged got fixed

[iron carbon]

Noope, that's why we play improved garrote in ST

[subtle tundra]

You don't want that really anyways cause you want to use ic as much as possible

[hexed frost]

So the wax bubble death bug is still there.

Doesn't seem to work if you die

[fallen arch]

It does for me

But its inconsistent as fuck

[eager tree]

on most packs you can still getout all the ruptures and garrotes you need even with ambushing 1st GCD but yes true if you're missing out on some spreads even more reason to not do it

and if you dont open with DSM youre missing out on some singular focus damage but yes def agreed with the bug it makes sense to not

[subtle tundra]

That's very negligible

[eager tree]

as are the amount of times you cant get enough garrotes/ruptures out in IC if you ambush first

[subtle tundra]

Yea idk I don't really care

What's best depends on the situation too much

I just press some buttons

[eager tree]

i mean with the bug its not worth the argument anyways

Ambush DSMs are worthless if you have a DN buff up

[fallen arch]

Yes

Waste of a global if dn is running

[subtle tundra]

It's irrelevant to me. Only time I'd care is if I push keys many hours a day and know every dungeon pull

[cobalt sphinx]

cancealaura dn macro

[warm vortex]

So in single target the main prop is to just keep rup and garrot up (refresh them like 6 sec before they expire and use vanish -> garot during KB) and just keep envenom buff up (reapplying 0.5 sec before it runs out)

[subtle tundra]

And someone who does that would outdps me anyways cause knowledge is more important than 1% minmaxing

[coral ibex]

play for env uptime outside cds, spam env during cds

[celest mirage]

do you use fan on ST with clear the witness?

[limber lion]

Let's try something

!fok

[coral ibex]

if you dont have vicous venoms talented, yes

[limber lion]

!ctw

!proc

[pulsar plank]

Should I use crimson tempest on st?

[limber lion]

You should unless you play VV

[limber lion]

If you get the Deathstalker proc that increases its crit damage, then yes

[warm vortex]

Yea

[limber lion]

But that only procs from FoK usages, so from CTW usages

[warm vortex]

Ofc
Otherwise I would just run out of energy

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[frail geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[heavy nebula]

In AOE, say a typical M+.. are you applying garrote to everything?

[keen spruce]

no

i mean with IC u want to get several out

but outside of that you can't maintain more than like 2 garrotes

cuz of the cd

[heavy nebula]

Ah okay

[balmy condor]

How do you just copy paste wowhead and still make it wrong

[spice spire]

Ralfrockhard

What a name

[nova aspen]

bonerbob would be better

[balmy condor]

Almost feels ai

[grim jay]

did you expect something proper after reading "xy in 60s"

[tropic cedar]

he's just telling people to overwrite their imp gar in their opener. where is the vanish??

[balmy condor]

I mean I would expect that it at least copy pastes the guide correctly

[spice spire]

He stole your guide, now you steal his idea (x build in x seconds as a reel)

[tropic cedar]

unless he's saying to gar in your last second of sub but thats wack

[spice spire]

Both fail the full copy paste experience

[jaunty warren]

lol the expectations of “AI” are vastly beyond its means

[balmy condor]

Mitilate

Ct on 3

[tropic cedar]

its actually ct on 2 right?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[spice spire]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yep

[jaunty warren]

Nothing worse then a bad thief

[tropic cedar]

also won't "Envenom @ 7 stacks" just cause you to waste cps?

[balmy condor]

Also love the footnote on pooling

[balmy condor]

That’s darkest night

[tropic cedar]

its 5 unless you need to refresh DM

[balmy condor]

Just not explained

Like he took the darkest night envenom and just jammed it in

[tropic cedar]

lmfao

[balmy condor]

Same way “mutilate every 10 seconds”

Like I recognize that’s for caustic

But nice guide

[nova aspen]

mitilate*

[grim jay]

hu

dont you mut every 10s

and poison knife inbetween

[tropic cedar]

well not "every 10s"

[balmy condor]

Yeah I count to 10 in my head

[tropic cedar]

but to keep the caustic debuff* up yes you mut

[balmy condor]

It’s time for my every 10 second mut

[grim jay]

dang, I use an alarm thats set every 10s

[balmy condor]

On what target? Why? Who cares

[jaunty warren]

“Nice” mostly stolen guide that is now not accurate..

[grim jay]

I press mut even out of combat

just to stay in the rythm

[jaunty warren]

🤣

[serene solar]

Same, even now as I’m not playing my finger twitches every 10s just from muscle memory

[austere sorrel]

I'm using the bathroom right now but still running to my keyboard to mut every 10s

[tropic cedar]

how much of a gain is using CT in ST with the FoK buff? that's something I haven't been doing tehee

[pure moth]

Wouldn't you want a wireless keyboard to make it easier

[grim jay]

-X% with VV

[jaunty warren]

Drinking bird on the mutilate key ftw

[grim jay]

0.2 or something without VV? idk, whispyr knows

[prisma carbon]

is it not a gain to vanish garrote before deathmark outside of the opener?

[spice spire]

No

Dm is dynamic

[jaunty warren]

You would think wowhead has some sort of hit squad for this sort of thing….this can’t be the first time someone has ripped off the content

[spice spire]

So you want to maximize garrote time rather than pressing it before

[grim jay]

the imp garr time is the same

outside of the opener

tho

[spice spire]

Yeah but double dipping

Is a loss

Instead of just pressing nut

Mut even

It ain’t that deep

[grim jay]

quick nut

[strange kindle]

If I'm not gonna raid mythic, should I just craft 2x daggers?

[grim jay]

you should never craft 2x daggers

unless you have every other craftable slot at 636/639

[strange kindle]

1x and the embrace darkness thing?

[tropic cedar]

i did 1 636 dagger (ascension) with a 619 wrist that buffs ascension

[strange kindle]

On another piece

[worldly sail]

i just did this, now what

[strange kindle]

Aye, that makes sense

[tropic cedar]

since the wrist embell doesn't gain anything from ilvl

actually i dont think any embells do tbh

[strange kindle]

But crafting 1x dagger is probably a solid choice

[spice spire]

Clean urself up big dog

[worldly sail]

[strange kindle]

Wowhead recommends 2x Dawnthread, but idk

[grim jay]

guide still says to delay DM for vanish with DS and imp garr tho

[tropic cedar]

thats for M+

[strange kindle]

If I want to do both and want to use the same crafts, which would you recommend?

[proven jasper]

7 stacks of what

[normal mist]

This guy copies a build and can't even understand it

[tropic cedar]

i mean embells aren't really that much of a gain either way

id just go with what content you care about more

[grim jay]

2x crit over 80%

!craft

[tropic cedar]

ascension for raid and x2 dawnthread for m+

[fallow canopy]

7 stacks of brain cells, sadly I never put that talent in

[dusty zenith]

Is there an indicator for how many envenom stacks you have?

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[proven jasper]

[grim jay]

?

which stacks

envenom currently doesnt stack

amp poison stacks

[limber lion]

hit squad for what?

[grim jay]

but you ignore that

[dusty zenith]

Got ya

[limber lion]

good plater btw

[normal mist]

xDDD

[limber lion]

looks like Royal's pre-changes

jk

[opal chasm]

damn ya'll roasting the hell outta dude

[limber lion]

@balmy condor

"Lastly, with enough mastery (your main secondary stat) the 10sec improved garrote will out dps a mutilate."

I'm gonna start using that one

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

What a horrible day to have eyes

[coral ibex]

i’m still stunlocked by this guy forcing 7cp envenom every time

[tropic cedar]

"it's easier to track them (gar and rup)"

truly a revolutionary

[balmy condor]

Easier to track than what

Mutilate?

[tropic cedar]

than not "lining them up"

kek

[balmy condor]

Huge tech

[spice spire]

[past bobcat]

If we aren't running imp gar for brood is it ok to save vanish if we get web

[limber lion]

sure

[opal chasm]

I've been too chicken shit to try, but does cloak stop up from getting sucked in by Mythix Ulgrax? Trying to increase my uptime after soaking >.>

[balmy condor]

No

[proven jungle]

what contributes to making a big kingsbane consistently? im 607 ilvl 4set but i struggle breaking 4-5m kingsbanes consistently even with 100% shiv and envenom uptime in kingsbane window.

[balmy condor]

Deathmark

[tropic cedar]

no but it can be used to negate the knockback on Sikran

[opal chasm]

unfortunate! thank you

[opal chasm]

are you baiting me? LOL

[tropic cedar]

you just have to use it within 1s of the cast going off

no

[proven jungle]

forgot to mention its with deathmark, its my opener kingsbane that feels small

[opal chasm]

ohh wow ok thanks

[limber lion]

Do you have potions?

All enchants?

all raid buffs?

High ilvl?

Big weapon?

Good stat trinket?

[balmy condor]

I mean 4-5 mil sounds okay in theory, I have no fucking clue what kingsbane ticks for let me check

[limber lion]

Me either, haven't looked at KB numbers in a while

[tropic cedar]

5m sounds about right for the m+ build

but it should be a little over double? for the ST build. rough estimates

[limber lion]

I'm 609 ilvl and mine did 7.5m on worm boss

[tropic cedar]

sorry i meant a little under

[limber lion]

100% crit with KB

🥶

[balmy condor]

Just crit

[jade abyss]

Is it possible to hit the 50 stacks on kb without DM ?

[limber lion]

damn I still have a long way to go!

My biggest hit was 1.4m

:(

[balmy condor]

Sure if you high roll enough

[limber lion]

I'm coming for you Whispyr!!!1

[jade abyss]

Hmm thank you

[spice surge]

next patch tho

[crisp stream]

Wait fatebound is better in m+ or DS?

[spice surge]

Twist the knife

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Ds everywhere

[balmy condor]

True!

[spice surge]

More kb stacks

[jade abyss]

Fate ia for the lazy guys like me D:

[grizzled geyser]

hey there, im a goon and have a question:
If I'm fighting a pack of 5 mobs, they have no CT up atm but I have the darkest night proc and would have to send a full cp envenom for new marks, do I prio that envenom or do I send out a CT first? I'm unsure because CT seems to be very high prio, but getting getting new marks out first also seems important, especially because CT with 5+ CP would consume a mark right away if I get those up again first

[arctic socket]

Whispyr with the change to ttk is it just gonna ramp KB faster?

[balmy condor]

You get the mark up

[grizzled geyser]

alright ty!

[balmy condor]

Doubling envenom is doubling the poison application buff, kingsbane ramps from poison applications

[arctic socket]

So we will deal the same damage overall just faster? Or is ALOT damage

I’m confused since kb caps

[limber lion]

You get to max stacks faster

So you get more ticks with the max amount of stacks

which is more damage

you ramp faster

but the duration of it is still the same

so you deal more damage overall

[arctic socket]

Thank you

[iron valve]

I kinda doubt the TTK change is enough value to make us talent into it, but who knows

could open the door to more dashing scoundrel builds

[regal ocean]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3kj7cBWhSioNvoCiyUwQw3
hey guys, I'm conflicted about taking very rare hero neck or myth sacbrood from vault. sacbrood sims pretty meh even at 639 compared to 619 delve ritual knife

any advice?

[rotund oak]

laughed so hard on this

idk man

[limber lion]

I would take the hero tier pants and catalyst them

Sac is fine

[trail locust]

sac dn!!!

[little tulip]

the other trinkets in the wowhead trinket tier list are pretty good at ST/AOE

[rotund oak]

idk man,almost had a stroke watching this

[little tulip]

it's up to you

[limber lion]

man linked a sim and gets hit back with "looks good on tier list"

[little tulip]

i got flayed wing and the overclocked gear trink on champ track and they outscale sac brood at 619 or whatever in top gear

sim it and ask yourself if you want more st or aoe dps

[regal ocean]

hero pants should be easy to come by in m+

[spice spire]

What is DN mister Kreem?

[trail locust]

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEz nuts

[spice spire]

Nice

[long oyster]

If I have 7 combo points and darkest night up, do I open on the next aoe pack in an M+ with envenom, or should I garrote and rupture, get caustic splatter out, then the darkest night envenom

[spring moat]

Real proud of them nutz

[coral ibex]

open with imp gar

if you have the capstone

[eager tree]

i feel like you were just part of the discussion we had lol. you get all your bleeds and CT out, then CS, then consume your DSM buff

[dense cloud]

what gems do we put in neck?

main stat and a mastery crit?

[eager tree]

you want diff color gems for the blasphemite buff

would just sim which vers gem is best, then which mastery gem is best, then which crit gem is best, then which haste gem is best

[dense cloud]

there is this weird ass gem with red and blue what is that

[eager tree]

? hover over it and itll tell you lol

[urban moat]

Tyrannical seems hard for me i'm often behind on bosses. Is it normal ?

[arctic socket]

We got a new video to recommend

[grim jay]

very varying factors

[rotund oak]

[arctic socket]

I haven’t watched it

[spice spire]

Gonna recommend lemon party before this shit

[arctic socket]

Is it bad

[spice spire]

Wdym

[rotund oak]

that one should be recommended as ''what to not do as an assassination rogue''

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

[rotund oak]

😂

[arctic socket]

The comments look nice though

No slander

[rotund oak]

how can u copypaste something and be that wrong while ''compressing'' information

[arctic socket]

Wouldn’t funny if whisper commented on it and called it wrong

[spice spire]

So like

[keen spruce]

I mean it's no a rogue player. it's just a content farmer that doest his for multiple specs

[spice spire]

What does flaming do for a video:
except make you look like a butthole

[keen spruce]

so they're just Chat GPTing the fuckin wowhead guide

for a script

[spice spire]

You can go in and say “yeah this isn’t right”

[normal mist]

that would be fucking hilarious