assassination

[slate crown]

Promise it did tho back in DF

[keen spruce]

sounds like u need to be doing some 4d chess wizardry

to get into that pickle

[balmy condor]

O sure in Dragonflight going from 0 to 80

But that’s not a thing anymore

[slate crown]

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about

[keen spruce]

isn't blindside free tho

[slate crown]

Like I said, not anymore

[keen spruce]

oh but you'd be at max cp

nvm

[rotund oak]

ive deleted both of ur packages so i cant tell anything 😅

[keen spruce]

how rood

[rotund oak]

both very useful but my ego kicked in

now im making my own auras

im nto rude

just very self centered

[balmy condor]

Professional hater fr

[rotund oak]

just like making my own stuff for my own man

[balmy condor]

How dare you make your UI personal to how you play and how you want your UI to look

Smh

[rotund oak]

ikr

[keen spruce]

I would never

smh

so selfish

[rotund oak]

LE's on beta and Whispyr later on,both amazing packages

have to admit

[round nexus]

Should i take chest and convert since legs can drop from mythic first boss?
Dead eye spyglass doesn't really sim much higher at 639 then a Shadow-binding ritual knife 619

[rotund oak]

very impressed with whispyr's plater

[rotund oak]

ild sim in general but all of them ilvl-replacable

[round nexus]

chest and legs sim the same as set, since my mastery is already really high

[lament finch]

What are the bis trinkits now for sin?

In m+

[rotund oak]

personally i dont even check stats,just sim parts and go with what i can get my hands on

[round nexus]

Would just feel bad to take legs and have them drop in raid, since first boss mythic is puggable

[rotund oak]

skandryns and a passive one,spyglass or overwhelm crystal power from dawnbreaker

two good picks for trinkets

[feral mason]

isnt ritual knife just better than both of those

[rotund oak]

sim urself is the only answer

not rly

[buoyant mortar]

!wa

[round nexus]

Shadow-binding ritual knife from delve is also really good

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[round nexus]

my 619 sims around the same as a 639 spyglass

[feral mason]

sims better for me at 626 than any of those trinkets at 639

[rotund oak]

maybe alot of crit

[feral mason]

and not the only one judging by rio top keys

[cloud nacelle]

the kiss of death trinket, is simmin highest for me but isnt it kind of wonky to play with?

[gusty bone]

https://imgur.com/shnT9NL it worth to pick it? I'm M+ player

[brisk forge]

It is for sure but just sim

[slow tulip]

yes < sim it

[lament finch]

Is 2x regicide bis?

[rotund oak]

[thick sigil]

got gloves, trinket is just very shit 😢

[slow tulip]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thick sigil]

or should i say, i already have the gloves, so its just useless... socket week again!

[vestal wren]

i got it from a map in a delve ^^

[runic hinge]

same

[kindred hinge]

Rough choice between utility from Neck (won't have access to mythic one) and small upgrade (1%) with Either dagger or Legs.

[gusty bone]

3 ppl from top 5 world on RIO are using it so i guess is good

[shy pecan]

Or it's all they have.

[waxen oyster]

nah wdym

loot rng isnt real

im not playing skardyn’s because dont like it

yes that’s the reason

[shy pecan]

obvobv

[subtle cipher]

Its because fuck GB

[waxen oyster]

that too

me and my homie quickwick candlestick

boycott gb

[subtle cipher]

Me too lmao

Didnt they nerfed Gb?

[novel star]

gb is fine

[subtle cipher]

Or its yet to come?

Too long

[novel star]

ya

they nerfed it twice now

last boss only marks 2 ppl for the spread

this reset

[subtle cipher]

Cant stand that dungeon that long

But maybe a me issue since i love SoB

[novel star]

siege is dogshit

[subtle cipher]

I luv it

[novel star]

freak

[subtle cipher]

Mists is dogshit

[novel star]

mists is chill

easy key

[subtle cipher]

All busses but the last are annoying

Freaking butterfly

[waxen oyster]

i dont mind nw as much now

lots of big boys

[patent blade]

Someone couldn't get the square block in the square hole when they were 2

[waxen oyster]

to spatter off of

1st boss of mists

no acro

;)))))

[subtle cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/shape-sorting-lol-gif-5209222

[grizzled ember]

What’s the % increase in DPS for 2pc/4pc in st and aoe?

[runic hinge]

2.4%

[patent blade]

For real, mists 2nd boss is in my top 3 dungeon bosses. Just enough mechanics to be interesting but still completely blastable if you get them down.

[runic hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

thats for st i think

[spring prawn]

hmmmmmmm what to take.... 2nd myth track weapon prolly way worse than mythic skard huh

[novel star]

most obvious skardyns ive ever seen

not even a question

[spring prawn]

ok boss :D was my thought too :p

[thick sigil]

he just flexing on us people getting sockets again

[novel star]

ur equipping that trinket for the rest of the tier

[spring prawn]

i got sockets all other vaults till now

some luck finally xd

[waxen oyster]

i got myth track shoulders with avoidance

[runic hinge]

idk if it's even that great in aoe regardless

[waxen oyster]

seems they nerfed avoidance hard this expac

[agile fossil]

is the transmitter that anoying to use ? why does it sim so high

[waxen oyster]

burst trinket

burst spec

[zenith cradle]

i used it for a week, just replaced it today, i can attest that its annoying as fuck in most situations

[finite gazelle]

Rly dno what to take, ive 606 skard and 606 dead-eye, is the trinket rly good in m+ / raid?

[grizzled ember]

Any trinket that I feel I need a TTS WA for sucks lol. I want a different trinket 😦

[agile fossil]

mmh i see , i probably wont bother then xd socket it is

[waxen oyster]

its also required for sub

[agile fossil]

fck sub lmao i aint touching that spec

[crisp wharf]

Is there any specific reason why crafting wrist/belt with embellishment is recommended or is it just because it isn't taking up a potential tier piece? Would a Head be equally good if i already have 4-set in the other slots?

[waxen oyster]

head caps out at 639

crafted 636

head is more stat

[round nexus]

Vejan, it's only for those who will end up with 639 in all slots tbh

[indigo crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[crisp wharf]

Ah, I see. Thanks 🙂

[round nexus]

wrists and belt is less of an impact if you have access too 639 in other slots 🙂

[brisk plank]

So going from pack to pack in m+ while stealthed it makes gar better opener than ambush if I have darkest night? I was thinking of opening with gar gar rup rup combo depending on cp, getting those bleeds up, then caustic and then going for full cp envenom? maybe throw ct before that even, does that make sense or should i open with ambush OR go gar gar and finish with envenom for mark?

[crisp wharf]

I get it, i only get myth-slots from vault, so its all about luck for me anyhow 😛

[brisk forge]

Duo to stats 👍

[quartz lance]

I took the Queen trinket out of my mid vault, so got Skardyn’s (Champion) and Spyglass (Hero) and that trinket. I’m guessing people just send mandate after CDs and on CD afterwards, prioritising Skardyn’s for CDs always for that sweet, sweet mastery

[round nexus]

I chose to craft dagger, wrists and boots 🙂 because i already got a pretty good belt.

[quartz lance]

I’m still wondering if it’s even worth running 2 on-use though

[finite gazelle]

Is mad queens mandate a good option for assa? ive it dropped in vault

[balmy condor]

if you have darkest night up and no reason to mark something instantly on pull, you garrote instead of ambuush

it's like that regardless of any bug or not

[balmy condor]

generally considered one of the best, if not the best

[halcyon hamlet]

sadge right before the 2nd boss in NW 12 before we wiped

[quartz lance]

It’s an S-tier trinket

[quartz lance]

Would you play Mandate + Skardyn’s or is that super int?

[balmy condor]

yep

that's the combo

[waxen oyster]

whats wrong with that

[lapis lantern]

i got lucky today
468 crit / 470 haste or 328 crit / 610 haste
first one sims better in every scenario BUT im lacking haste at some points in single target fights (i mostly play m+)

[quartz lance]

I haven’t tested yet but I’m assuming we’re not as lucky as Paladins were with anvil, where we need to sit the 20seconds between using the trinkets

[lapis lantern]

is there some kind of "haste cap" that plays "fluent" ?

or do i simply trust sim

[waxen oyster]

haste doesnt change gameplay

[quartz lance]

Not that’s worth chasing. Sim is BiS

[manic pebble]

Take whatever sim best for u

[royal lantern]

Splice n Dice cus the Name is funny

[lapis lantern]

ok thanks guys

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[royal lantern]

wonky ass cata icon dagger

[lapis lantern]

thanks!

[waxen oyster]

why do people think haste changes gameplay

[quartz lance]

Because for a lot of classes it does

[manic pebble]

They do for outlaw, no?

[lapis lantern]

i mean doesnt the engergy regen gets better?

[waxen oyster]

yeah but rogue gcd is fixed

[waxen oyster]

look at your energy regen stat

[royal lantern]

1 energy for 10% haste

[waxen oyster]

and tell me that again

[lapis lantern]

ah lol

😄

[royal lantern]

thats 1 mutilate in a full minute

[lapis lantern]

thats not impressive - thanks for the bump

[waxen oyster]

i swear haste is the biggest placebo ever

[quartz lance]

Why are we putting someone down for asking because he didn’t know? 😂😂

[waxen oyster]

yeah thanks blizz

[south prawn]

Help I beg 😭😭

[royal lantern]

? i explained it, not pulling down

[quartz lance]

Not you 🤦‍♂️

[lapis lantern]

its fine 🙂 i know now

ty guys

[manic pebble]

Sim them

[lapis lantern]

bb

[runic hinge]

myth dagger unless you already have one or are gonna get one from mythic raiding

[clever sapphire]

so which one do i take, mainly doing keys not really raiding. (i have 606 skardyn and 613 arakara champ track)

[gentle gyro]

yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[waxen oyster]

I mean people feelcraft out their ass

[royal lantern]

you take the trinket cus you wint see that again in the rest of the patch and thats it

[south prawn]

Currently using myth dagger + crafter 636

[quartz lance]

Lucky! Still sat with my champion version

Grim batol prison is real

[waxen oyster]

mandate

[runic hinge]

probs trinket then

[south prawn]

Ye thats what i think too

[waxen oyster]

i honestly think contract isnt even that great

for sin/sub no?

better for outlaw

[south prawn]

My trinkets lowkey ass so i might do that

[royal lantern]

yooooooooooo

Umbriss Band

[south prawn]

Thank you boys ❤️

[waxen oyster]

only reason to take dagger in that vault was if you didnt already have a myth dagger

[quartz lance]

Lmao the bait

[waxen oyster]

3 offhand ilvls is never worth

[runic hinge]

it's not that bad

[clever sapphire]

aight mandate it is

[south prawn]

Noted

[waxen oyster]

i feel stat trinkets are just better for sin/sub

[gentle gyro]

same. it's actually not that massive of an immediate upgrade, from 619 to 623, but myth track 👌

[quartz lance]

I mean it’s an item you will absolutely not replace throughout the entire season

[gentle gyro]

it's also the only decent item in the vault

[waxen oyster]

i mean the correct way to look at it

is myth skardyn goes to 639

hero only 626

[fallen arch]

I just chose tokens

Week 2 of m+

[quartz lance]

In other news… at what age do we feel it’s acceptable to put your kid to work herbing and mining for you 😂

[gentle gyro]

5

[fallen arch]

Immediately

[gentle gyro]

actually, they don't need to be able to read or write, probably 3 or 4

[quartz lance]

I tried. She just likes the RGB lights and smashing keys. Severely lacking hand to eye coordination

[fallen arch]

My 8 year old can do it

[west crown]

The children yearn for the mines

[fallen arch]

She herbs for me to pay for her robux

Win win

[quartz lance]

See that’s the kinda deal I want

[fallen arch]

Actual evil

[quartz lance]

All joking aside, she likes watching when I play. And I don’t enjoy picking flowers 😂

[gentle gyro]

herbs crashed hard anyways, cloth farm is where it's at

[clever perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eKctigULJv52g8HUp8NvrP ara-kara 639 would be bis trinket on raid?

i already got skardyn 639 last week

i guess im kinda lucky with trinkets xD

[terse urchin]

need advice: my vault has champ track mad queens mandate and hero track set piece i do not have, is it weapon > set > trinket order to get upgrades or?

[clever perch]

the order is

you can loot set whenever u want doing m+ catalyst or raid

[random adder]

would u guys take mythic helm(i have 619) or the heroic raid back(i got 606). Back would obviously give me a bigger boost immediately but maybe long term helm makes more sense

[brisk forge]

back

but again sim but in the short term i´d take back

[fallen arch]

I’d take the myth piece personally

[steel ridge]

headpiece,

[fallen arch]

And get a hc back from m+, hero track *

[rough oyster]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[steel ridge]

pursuing short term gains is for the weak

[shy pecan]

Does that back only go to 626?

[steel ridge]

yes, its 6/6 hc out of the box

all those very rare things are afaik

[shy pecan]

Kk, yeah, helm angle then

Unless you’re in real need for the survivability for some reason?

[random adder]

nah especially with feint coming of gcd will be even easier i guess

[steel ridge]

kekw, pulls out sark cloak

[random adder]

i was just considering gaining short term ilvl to find groups easier

[little valley]

If you take the Back you save 15 gilded Crests and have to do 1,5 less Dungeons in this dogshit game - i'd take the back

[sudden brook]

huh

Bro does NOT want to play wow

[vale lantern]

i mean have you seen these pugs these days

[shy pecan]

Yeah, like why are you playing the game then?

Imagine needing to pug

Just make friends, ez

[vale lantern]

my guilds 2 tanks do dungeons together and our 3 healers do dungeons together

[shy pecan]

RIP you then

[vale lantern]

i mean i still get my keys done they are just always frustrating

[jagged niche]

thats a now brainer

[normal mist]

What a team...

[normal kindle]

Lucky you

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce you wish you had this rng

[jagged niche]

i was actually thinking of farming it, but i had a feeling, ofc the other vault pieces all had socket and avoidance

[molten echo]

Wrong trinket 😭

[steel ridge]

good trinket

pick it asap

[keen spruce]

I don't even know what i'm looking at

[runic hinge]

16 coin flips in a row

[keen spruce]

are u back to flipping coins?

[runic hinge]

Playing fatebound while I'm still in low keys, not juggling the mark is nice

But only for these keys

[naive crane]

Is the ovi egg a good trinket for us? It just got buffed 5%

[vale lantern]

truee

[steel ridge]

you like standing still and not move?

its that one right?

[naive crane]

Yes that one

Even if we move its good no? gives mastery right? :x

[molten echo]

yer, a whole 4k dps upgrade vs my 616 of the same trinket xD

[steel ridge]

well but how much is it at 639

[wild hound]

Guys, anyone who does both M+ and Raid? What do you prio for enchants and stuff?

[runic hinge]

raid

[molten echo]

Simming atm

about 17k

im not in the position to use gilded on that atm though

[jagged niche]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i28kUBEaRPX9iWE9dGQbCN

i´m kinda wondering if its a little bait rn to not use sacbrood and candle instead cause they are similar in ilvl

[vale lantern]

i always see this like 1.7-1.8 dungeon slice ones and think they are single target at first and im just like fuck what am i doing wrong then i notice

[jagged niche]

[zinc frost]

I wish

[vale lantern]

maybe we keep single target buffs

[spring prawn]

hmm are logs bugged rn or how come no1 pressed his vanish button in top parses?

they all have improved garrote yet they dont vanish like at all

[sudden brook]

link?

[spring prawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t3GjfhN78WYK1gyq#fight=56&type=casts&source=258&view=timeline

this guy for example

[sudden brook]

LOL

[spring prawn]

on rasha mythic its the exact same thing

[sudden brook]

Just a noob

Is what it is

[spring prawn]

they dont press vanish

[subtle drift]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2VPr28kCeMF8JjFbsLdkfL

Would you decide to take the Myth neck?

[steel geyser]

he pressed vanish once

[bitter trout]

Honestly Improved 🥕 ain't even worth it on that fight

[steel geyser]

got PI'ed twice

[bitter trout]

I think thrown precesion has more value on that fight

[vale lantern]

so i just gotta beg for pi to get top?

[bitter trout]

Also 1 vicious venoms??????

Idk man like

this guys page cooked

[steel geyser]

ive seen some good rogue play Thrown precision + Ct instead of Imp garrote and sanguine and it makes sense

on ovinax

[cobalt sphinx]

1 point vv sims well

[steel geyser]

at least before the nerfs, idk if ct is worth now considering how fast adds are dying

[cobalt sphinx]

Whispyr showed a couple sims with 1 point vv

[bitter trout]

Yeah this makes CT kinda worth it but after nerfs idk

[steel geyser]

even spiders are getting nuked now

damn frost dks

[bitter trout]

Frost dk's and fury warriors

But then

[sudden brook]

Nerf the fight FDK gets worse

[bitter trout]

they pay for it

They get melee'ed

Best thing to happen to them

[steel geyser]

we did not have that problem

surely cause of my insane tricks right coupled big a juicy splattered envenom timed at the perfect timing, surely

[bitter trout]

Me the millisecond the adds spawn

https://tenor.com/view/mixture-science-christmas-elf-flippie-gif-10226419

[vale lantern]

somehow everyone in their did raid double of add damage of everyone in my raid

[bitter trout]

Tricks on tank into evenom

[vale lantern]

i think they force spawned eggs for parses

[sudden brook]

On mythic?

[vale lantern]

thats a heroic parse

[bitter trout]

Ye I mean

Hc is a big meme

now

[steel geyser]

how do you force spawns

when thats the strat

[vale lantern]

nvm

they just left parasites up the entire fight

constantly letting the multiply

[bitter trout]

Ye that's err

[steel geyser]

oh yeah

[vale lantern]

i just watched the vod for it

so cheesy

[steel geyser]

we did wipe week 1 of those

after killing the boss

xd

[bitter trout]

Well I think the word "lettting" can be used a bit loosely

People love those parasites

[vale lantern]

i mean when u have 2 assassin rogues 2 dhs 2 frost dks and a fury those parasites should be stunned and dead instantly

me on sin our outlaw rogue and our fury warrior kill the adds stupid fast

[bitter trout]

Us outlaw rogues have no control

I hate that fight as outlaw on mythic anyway

[vale lantern]

thats okay i dont blame outlaw rogues

i blame this bs log thats all

[bitter trout]

Ngl like as outlaw

I will do more ST on mythic than an assa rogue by a long shot

My aoe is just ass

[cobalt sphinx]

avoidancemaxxed

[runic hinge]

parsing is a meme over like 95, you either need to get funneled or have perfect kill timers, pretty much as long as theyre purple and the boss died im alright with it

[vale lantern]

on that fight specifically i do about 10 million more damage than our outlaw to the boss we only have first mythic boss down currently thou so i cant see on mythic cause i was dead for that 😄

[vale lantern]

i got my 98 fair and square 😦

actually kill mighta been fast idk

that fight i cant get a over a 98 on anyway

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/mip-smiling-friends-you-point-gif-24462769

@balmy condor

missin u

[torn dome]

wdyt guys? either gloves and 4 set with a spark OR mh dagger

[runic hinge]

Yeah I just mean to get those rank 1’s in heroic now you gotta probably get funneled adds or something

[torn dome]

sim says mh but doesn't know i can get 4 set, is that worth?

[vale lantern]

ok yeah nvm were 2 mins slower than the fastest kills but like 30-45 seconds faster than average i guess it wasnt fair

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[vale lantern]

oh yeah i wont get a rank 1 without getting PI i already accepted than

[runic hinge]

Yeah I had lower parses on some bosses this past week cause we killed faster and dm wasn’t quite up

[vale lantern]

im setting for my 99's and then my i cant live on queen parse

[runic hinge]

Kinda funny to parse lower with better gear

[vale lantern]

you would think i would learn that shadow step can bug on the p2 adds but i never learn and get pulled off or just walk into here when shes eating us

[royal lantern]

vore

[vale lantern]

we killed her for the first time last week and all it took was me dodging a wave directly into her mouth and she died on that pull while i was on the floor

[steel ridge]

less pad on adds available 😄

[royal lantern]

mate what adds

i see some HP bars popup and then they vanish into nothing

i think my plater is bugged

[steel ridge]

kekw

[vale lantern]

same thing happens to me cause warrior we get told "Stack so our warrior can play the game"

[glossy grove]

is it possible to sim the greatvault on max ilvl?

[balmy condor]

there's buttons for that in top gear

max your resources

select all great vault items

upgrade selected items to max

3 clicks

[runic hinge]

I tried to cloak the pull in. I’m fairly certain you can’t now

[glossy grove]

you mean that right?

[balmy condor]

yep

[vale lantern]

the intermission pull in i just shadow step but the one up top dont even try i had one shadow step tell me i cant do that another oen dropped me off the ledge at this point i just walk away and throw my knife at those mobs

[runic hinge]

lol

[vale lantern]

my dornagol frames after crafting bolts for 2 hours

[glossy grove]

its still simming only 623

[balmy condor]

did you press this button :)))

oh what

they changed it

okay well

type like 400 crests then

[glossy grove]

😄

ty

ah now its working

[balmy condor]

yeh idk why its disabled on max

but just trick the webpage

[glossy grove]

5head

[vocal minnow]

empowering crystal is just better than sac in m+ huh

weird

[balmy condor]

can be

[vocal minnow]

its the case in like every sim i did that wasnt just 1 target

[vale lantern]

finally done crafting bolts

[balmy condor]

yah well, like I said, can be

there's people where it's not

[vocal minnow]

stay away from those people

[brittle bough]

Hello is there any channel for helping new rogues ? Or i can put my dumbs questions here

[vale lantern]

send um here but they might be covered in the guide already as well

[royal lantern]

most Rotation questions can be answered by the wowhead guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

the rest, sure, throw in

[magic gale]

This doesnt read on the guide but with indiscriminate carnage do we just apply bleeds from mark or do we want to be changing targets

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[brittle bough]

i read the wowguides to learn the spec but i still doing shitty parses with deathstalker and my damage are always higher with fatebound and i wanted to know if it was a really bad idea to stay on fatebound

[tawdry flint]

At what point do you use queens mandate? After cds?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

do you have logs?

[brittle bough]

yup

[jaunty dew]

I find it very awkward to target swap and then go back to my marked target on a large pack

Like in NW with the necromancers

So I just don't xD I might do some mouse over at some point

[runic hinge]

Just flip coins

[normal mist]

Just choose one and show us

[runic hinge]

Then you don’t have to go back

Embrace the coin

[magic gale]

Would it be crazy to macro setfocus to ambush and then seperate macro to switch target to focus after spreading bleeds xD kinda lose the ability to focus kick

[runic hinge]

And ye shall be rewarded

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, then don't

[jaunty dew]

https://tenor.com/view/neva-never-marc-homealone-youcantstopme-gif-9816521

[balmy condor]

that's what it says

[manic igloo]

should i take sacbrood or dead-eye hmm

[balmy condor]

whatever sims better

[jaunty dew]

I just want the Ansurek ring, that bastard of a ring is a 144k dps inc on st

[runic hinge]

144?

[spring prawn]

we gamin

[vague narwhal]

iam making something wrong with my rogue and i just cant figure out what it is. My dungeon slice sim is about 1.1 mio dps and i only make like 750k is this normal ? 608 gs

[swift sage]

is taking the Seal of the Poisoned Pact worth taking even at champion? It would 100% an upgrade right now but its a choice between that a mythic shoulders + I planned to craft a ring next week anyway

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice is a synthetic situation used to compare gear, it's not an actual dungeon

dungeons have way too many variables to realisitically know what's "good"

[vague narwhal]

still 750k feels like iam doin smth wrong

[balmy condor]

if you're keeping up with your groups dps and timing the key it's fine

I mean 608 is pretty undergeared

[brittle bough]

Not a kill but propably the most relevent one :https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PnQ4K7YDwtRmBFfq#fight=1&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

I would assume you're in some rat ass keys

[brittle bough]

i already know my kingsbane use are bad

[vague narwhal]

i run 4-6 keys and normaly match +/- 100k the top dps

[vale lantern]

im feel like you sim'd in aoe spec on accidnet and then chose your ST spec as well so this is combination of ring plus spec change

[balmy condor]

then you're doing fine tbh

once you start doing keys where things don't instantly blow up and your gear gets in order it'll be a bit mroe relevant

[vague narwhal]

kay maybe iam to worried cause i got flamed pretty bad the last keys that my dmg is shit

[jaunty dew]

Its possible

I simmed it last night when uber tired

xD

New puppy is not giving lots of hours to sleep kek

[vale lantern]

run it again i imagine if you have like a 610 ring its prob a 12-15k upgrade

[balmy condor]

nyalota log

[runic hinge]

I got beat in a key by another assa rogue today by like 40k dps but I know what I did wrong so I’ll be better next time

[vale lantern]

i helped one rogue by just recommending doing back to back ruptures cause he didnt realize he was getting combo pointsback from rupture at the start of the pack from bone spike

[uneven widget]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

I’m just sending too many garrotes tbh. Just always gar gar rup rup gar gar regardless of pack size and it’s wasteful

[jaunty dew]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nVKNbEYVFZCeWVasKdojCo

Yup

17k

[raven panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fXgEiKRE5EA8rsL2arq13L
I need help on raidbot, I think there is something I don't understand, I though main weapon were the biggest upgrade, but they tell me to put a 626 in main hand and a 639 in off hand ? I don't get it

[glacial crypt]

Not at home but just put the highest ilvl in your mainhand as a rule

Saved the link to look at properly later

[soft shale]

you didnt select an enchant in mainhand

[vale lantern]

oof i was close i just guessed cause it was 12k for me and ima lose it to a pally if it drops cause itll be 20k for them 😦

[jaunty dew]

If its any consulation, my parses are all blue/purple on HC because I RL, and the amount of focus you need on fights like silken/ansurek for mechanics to call them out is insane xD

[twin jay]

can I ask for views on which vault slot to pick?

[jaunty dew]

Depends on your current trinkets tbh

[twin jay]

my trinkets are currently M0 606 so Dead eye would be big upgrade

[jaunty dew]

But you can just sim your vault

[vale lantern]

our main tank leads and hes hating it

[jaunty dew]

Ansurek HC is a nightmare on P1

But I made some adjustments based on the some of the kills I saw

[glossy grove]

i got the rare drop neck in mythic on 639, it gives so much haste, its simming obviously best for raid, but im not sure if i take it because it sucks in M+ isn't it?

[vale lantern]

you know this is why im glad i just show up hit the boss and feed my self to her as a blood sacrifice it worked on her and our mythic first boss kill the first time

[craggy coral]

Would you trade 8/8 champ spyglass (619) for 4/8 hero spyglass (619), or go for the 4-set from vault?

[magic gale]

You can farm the hero trinket from +7

If you are unlucky with raid and dont get set, feels kinda sadge?

[twin jay]

i don't raid, only M+

[elder bolt]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[craggy coral]

Hmm yeah thats what my initial thought as well, but then why couldnt i farm a hero peice from multiple +7 and transform into 4-set piece as well?

[final star]

something something restealths

the joke writes itself continuing on at that point

[craggy coral]

Must be faster then farming for 1 specific trinket

[balmy condor]

I hope the beans on your toast are dry this morning

[final star]

I had a katsu chicken wrap

[mystic robin]

Can anyone post a pic of their details/raidbots dungeon damage breakdown? Curious how i can improve and what im doing wrong rotation wise in keys

[normal mist]

We have a new catalyst charge this week right?

[pallid fiber]

no

[raven egret]

Nope, catalyst + spark is next week

[real pike]

anyone else's vault also aggressively average

[magic gale]

Sure if you have catalysts, just tought you dont have them

[raven egret]

It gave me mythic chest tier so, eh

So far, Skardyn does not exist

[soft shale]

spark is this week

[real pike]

yeah I got mythic tier hands which is upgrade from hero so I'll take it

[pallid fiber]

also no 😂

[magic gale]

Myth legs here, myth skardyn last weel :3

[real pike]

I did get this mythic last week :>

[raven egret]

No we only get half a spark this week

[soft shale]

true

[raven egret]

I reject your reality and any screenshots you provide I will call photoshopped

I will now proceed to rage in a corner

[raven trench]

Hey guys are u also struggling in single target dmg in m+ ??

[raven egret]

Struggling? How so?

[magic gale]

Yes

[real pike]

yeah definitely shopped having it at 1/6, only an idiot would do that right

[hoary ingot]

hey, would anyone care to take a look at this and tell me how i could improve?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JPmN9pTWnQA6KFDk#fight=24&type=damage-done&source=64&translate=true
tyvm

[raven egret]

We definitely don't do as much as others but depends if you mean 'struggling vs an arcane mage's or other context

[real pike]

depends what you mean struggling, our ST damage simply isn't very good in m+

but we make up for it with that big pack pumping

[cedar hare]

Is neck the best option ?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1278395908404547728/1290931353860440075/image.png?ex=66fe4103&is=66fcef83&hm=28be55d6d0fad9cd5d32be28517192058edb0cacecb0588ac9083716f1b14292&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1035&height=671

[raven egret]

I want to cry

[real pike]

let it all out brother

[raven egret]

Sim yourself

[raven egret]

Already in fetal position, I need a hug

[raven trench]

Guys what is the most accurate sim for m+ ??? Dungeon slice ?

[real pike]

yes

[digital pollen]

whats the weakaura command again? !weakaura?

[raven egret]

Accurate being a bit of a strong word, it will help you itemize

[real pike]

'least inaccurate' is probably, ironically, more accurate

[raven trench]

Someone told me hectic cleave

[outer sundial]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[raven egret]

Well someone might need to check what the various sims profile do

[balmy condor]

shudders

[raven trench]

What Option do u sim dungeon slice ??

[real pike]

nah hectic cleave

[fallen arch]

U can check that in the sim

Its a combo of boss fight and aoe/cleave

[balmy condor]

HUH

[livid turtle]

do we just live and die by the sims? I feel like i need to pickup more Mast/Crit, but the sim just tells me to go hard into haste...

[balmy condor]

Yes

[real pike]

hue

[balmy condor]

Ain’t no way you trollin the new guy like that

[livid turtle]

whats a reasonable amount of haste to sit at? cause im at 10k and its still telling me to gem and enchant for it 😄

[raven egret]

Stat balance change base on current gear and context, and can vary a lot. The sim will propose to you what would give you the theoretical best increase based on your own context

Its very possible that you gain more per point of haste right now, we don't have bad stats as sin

[livid turtle]

yeah i get it, but it just seems contrary to what i see top 10 rogues stat distributions looking like

[fallen arch]

They prob have their reasons

[balmy condor]

(They’re equipping item level)

[fallen arch]

^

[raven egret]

^

[real pike]

bro how little haste do you have? this is my distribution and sims still tell me to go mast/crit

[balmy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[royal lantern]

almost 34%

[livid turtle]

im 621, didn't think i was that cooked for agi 😄

[raven egret]

Brother, you have 18 more ilvl to go

[royal lantern]

EVERY mf is 4-5 ilvl above me lol

[fallen arch]

Same

[royal lantern]

618 and literally 0neck/trinket/wrist drops

its cursed af lol

[real pike]

that's where you start injecting ilvl parses as copium

[raven egret]

What you guys ain't 620+ yet!?!

[fallen arch]

Imm still scrambling for trinkets lol

[livid turtle]

aiit fuck it, i trust lol

[real pike]

no ilvlshaming here please

(no, and it hurts)

[normal mist]

I'm 614 lol

[raven egret]

Hey you flaunted your supposedly real Skardyn, I'll ilvl shame out of spite!

[north grove]

!addons

damn lol

[real pike]

well maybe if I upgraded my possibly real skardyn my ilvl would be higher

[raven egret]

If it was real that would indeed increase your ilvl, theoretically

[real pike]

maybe I shall test this hypothesis right now (I won't, I need crests for a dagger craft)

[raven egret]

Know what I learned today in Grim Batol? If Valiona hits 50% end of fight WHILE the affix add is alive, the fight straight up resets

Farming Skardyn is driving me nuts

[lunar lotus]

i got dropped warbound one and i nearly hurt myself

[crisp pine]

ain't no way

[raven egret]

Legit happened to a group I was in, and we just stood there blinking at the void and realizing how empty our hearts felt at that moment

Trust, it really is true

[neon thunder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[echo cargo]

I am trusting that blizzard is working on a hotfix rn, and there will be compensation

[arctic cove]

i got both bis neck and cloak from vault, luxary problems

[raven egret]

In the meantime it makes my quest for Skardyn take on a new layer of hell

[royal lantern]

are you EU or NA

[raven egret]

NA

[real pike]

there's your first mistake

[royal lantern]

damm

[raven egret]

Hey I can't help it, aside NA won RWF so something something NA is best or something

[dense cloud]

O-OH

[raven egret]

[real pike]

@raven egret on suicide watch

[raven egret]

Grats buddy... Definitely photoshopped but... Grats. Go out there and be a winner!

[dense cloud]

Lmao

[raven egret]

Raid cloak too, pretty goated vault there. I mean there's only one real option but still

[real pike]

also jealous of dude's 4/8M

[wise gull]

kinda popped off

[viral spire]

!wa

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[real pike]

is that just tyran or fort too?

[wise gull]

just tyran

[vale lantern]

surely i can get in 1 7+ GB before i go to bed

[real pike]

jheezew

[raven egret]

Do you hate life?

[vale lantern]

yes

[raven egret]

Carry on

[vale lantern]

i dont need to time it i just need to get the trinket to drop

[real pike]

something something bad joke highest so far is +12

[vale lantern]

the boss can bug out all he likes

[raven egret]

I know your pain all too well

[vale lantern]

good thing theres a space in between 😉

[rotund oak]

u are top ilvl in ym heart habibi

[misty yarrow]

Is it me, or is the rogue sim on raidbots broken? Every time i import using SimC it doesnt work

[raven egret]

Its definitely you

[vale lantern]

im def running a sim right now

[rotund oak]

i simmed my stuff 20min ago

dunno what doesnt work looks like

[misty yarrow]

Alright, so im doing something wrong then....

[rotund oak]

but might need to update ur stuff

[mint valve]

does the affix reduce the cd of trinkets?

or only our abilities?

[vale lantern]

when you get declined from OCE groups cause your not OCE 😦

[misty yarrow]

Ill recheck once i get home, addons should be updated using the wago app.

[novel star]

how fury lose to bdk

[wise gull]

good question

died a couple times on big pulls tho

[quiet oar]

@spice spire I hit the lotterey back to back

[vale lantern]

im gonna nut

[kind forge]

[normal mist]

Fy

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-anime-neko-funny-funny-anime-gif-16420737

But grats

But also

[normal mist]

Mods ban this guy

[raven egret]

Rage

[glacial crypt]

Fam.

[quiet oar]

I thought we love each other?

[normal mist]

We used to

Then you got fucking good trinkets

[raven egret]

Definitely a deal breaker

[novel star]

i can’t really be mad

i got a very rare both vaults

but i’m mad still

fuck u man

[normal mist]

Yeah fuck that guy

[glacial crypt]

Frick that guy

Tell him

[quiet oar]

Im accepting all the hate

[normal mist]

(I'm actually pretty happy for tira)

[quiet oar]

But Royal breaking up with me

[glacial crypt]

Don't worry, Royal will be begging to have you back soon enough

[raven egret]

Yeah no don't get me wrong we are all happy for you. But it's just ALSO; FY

[normal mist]

Yeah DW royal will be doing that

[rotund oak]

Shiba inu energy blessed ur account,u are now unbeatable

ggs

also arakara trinket is cringe

[raven egret]

Wait did he beat the game? Beat the MMO?

[novel star]

you don’t win until you’re in full bis

and 8/8m

[glacial crypt]

Just the CE is fine

[novel star]

no

i need my 0.1% stat change

[crisp walrus]

Who cares about CE? BiS gear is obviously more important

[raven egret]

Hey I wish that trinket wasnt as good as it is

[crisp walrus]

The end goal of WoW is number big

When ur bis, number cant bigger

DPS max game done

[rotund oak]

yo man,ive ditched it on my vault today for the rashanan back

ezlife

[raven egret]

That cloak do be good

[glacial crypt]

I can't think of a good enough bait to cope with being under geared rn ngl

Mythic princess got hands that's all I know

[raven egret]

Have you tried gearing up?

[real pike]

but need vault for mythic sac, rashy back just kill boss pewpew

[normal mist]

Or not dying

[glacial crypt]

I will bite u

[raven egret]

Aside we should start getting the weekly buffs soon I think

[glacial crypt]

THATS THE CHALLENGE ON PRINCESS

[rotund oak]

true dat

[normal mist]

If her health reaches 1 before your teams health does, you win

[glacial crypt]

We had a 38% pull pre nerf so hoping we get close to kill tonight

Boss is an abomination I love it

[normal mist]

I'm rooting for you guys

You'll manage

[glacial crypt]

I'll make Ur hp <1

[normal mist]

It already is

[glacial crypt]

Oop

[normal mist]

Can't beat that

[glacial crypt]

Did you not hit your anti swifty one shot macro?

[raven egret]

Tira getting the trinkets just straight up murdered you uh

[dire blaze]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Swifty... Good old times

[glacial crypt]

Am I right in saying he had like half a finger

I feel like that was a fever dream

[crisp walrus]

Got a quick vault question! I got the wings cloak in my vault but it sims less than other stuff, but obviously the defensive aspect won't show up on sims. Should I take the cloak? My guild won't be progressing mythic this tier but I will be playing some pretty high keys

[kindred walrus]

yo guys for an m+ only player
what should I do
craft 2x dawnthread lining
or
wep with embelishment ?

[real pike]

isn't 2x dawn still bugged

[hot fulcrum]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hot fulcrum]

what was the issue with it?

[kindred walrus]

Thanks!

[real pike]

only one would proc at a time, unless you dropped health and came back up, then the other would trigger

[hidden crown]

oh the struggle

[hot fulcrum]

strange. Never heard about issues with it. Maybe it's just ui issue and it's working fine but not correctly described in buffs

[kindred walrus]

it was a bug on the beta 100%, jsut not sure if the bug is still there

[real pike]

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[real pike]

this server really does have a command for everything

[crisp walrus]

yeah its pretty amazing actually

[hot fulcrum]

but do we have command for commands list?

[real pike]

!commands

fuk

[hot fulcrum]

yeah, so not everything actually)

[crisp walrus]

someone must be very tired of answering questions lol

[gloomy spindle]

Sorry no printscreen possibility.. had to show that somewhere. Insane luck

[glacial crypt]

Do !help and check Ur dms

[crisp walrus]

gz on sacbrood!

[glacial crypt]

You will shit brix

[real pike]

stop it

[gloomy spindle]

Look at the drops raid..

[crisp walrus]

Sim yourself

[elfin valley]

For mythic ulgrax at some point our CDs are up during an intermission phase, are yall poppin em on ads or holdin for boss?

[real pike]

BRO

[gloomy spindle]

Last week skardryn mythic too

[glacial crypt]

xd

[real pike]

!abb

I've been lied to

TRICKED

[royal lantern]

mate

the adds die in like 6seconds

your cds are wasted into nothing there lol

[glacial crypt]

You fool

[elfin valley]

the chunky ones last a bit but i got you

[glacial crypt]

THE ONLY ONE

[real pike]

I THOUGHT IT MEANT IT WOULD BE OUTDATED, NOT NONEXISTENT

[hoary scroll]

For assa st in raid: is there any haste value recommended?

A lot of top loggs have around 10k haste

[royal lantern]

no

[glacial crypt]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[glacial crypt]

Don't overthink it

[round spire]

guys is ovinax egg better than ara kara egg

on aoe

[lusty mountain]

ok boys, before simming, what's ur suggestion? :P (M+ and raid player)

[lusty mountain]

still searching for grim batol trinket im so unlucky :(

[vale lantern]

id prob say sac but obviously sim as you are planning to do

[vale lantern]

i haven't even considered this as an option personally id sim it

[lusty mountain]

gonna try simming

[jaunty hill]

It seems like Algari Manaoil is cleansing itsself from my Offhand after I go Offline. Mainhand is still buffed with it. Have you expirienced this bug too?

[glacial crypt]

EGG SACC

[torn dome]

!wa

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[crisp wharf]

would u recommend always crafting with crit + mastery even tho the sim tells me haste is more valuable right now?

[sinful elk]

Tank pulls 9 trash mobs, whats actually that opener look like?
Do we garrote/5+ rupture as many things as possible in the 6 sec after stealth? then crimson temp? fok->envenoms orrr mutilates for splatter?

[real pike]

go with sims, you can always recraft if you really need later

[royal lantern]

no

go after your sims

[real garden]

Hey, how do you guys sim for M+? Dungeon slice?

[past marten]

The Wowhead guide puts Cold Blood and Vanish together in the Fatebound cooldown sequence. Aren't you giving up Master Assassin value by doing that?

[royal lantern]

yes dslice, its well maintained for rogue

[spring moat]

Thanks for the guidance @glacial crypt and @spice spire

Prog on ansurek Saturday

[royal lantern]

gz man

[rotund jungle]

100% ara Kara Trinket .....dont even need to sim it ^^ u need also to think about if u can get the pieces somewhere else..and the Vault is the only way to get that thing in myth track

[lusty mountain]

yeah true

taking it 100% :P

tysm bois

[potent raven]

worst vault world

[blazing pumice]

does fatebound run ma?

[past marten]

Yes

[rotund jungle]

fucking Grace on hero track ......wtf blizzard

[potent raven]

unlucky shouldve finished those dungeons

yeah

its a 32dps upgrade

[rotund jungle]

u never know

[real pike]

ye that's not on blizz

[potent raven]

over my mandate/transmitter

[real pike]

just do moar 10s

[potent raven]

kek

[past marten]

but what if you get griefed by transmitter?

[real pike]

that's 2 on-use though, not ideal

[rotund jungle]

32 sim variation xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[real pike]

variation is like 500dps kekw

[potent raven]

yeah im just gonna catalyse the pants

[prisma tundra]

does it matter much what myth track dagger we go for

[real pike]

nope literally depends on your stats at the time

just be happy you have one

[prisma tundra]

ive got this but crafted a 636 weapon previously

[torn dome]

guys, quick q, i have installed Whispyr's plater profile but seem to have lost my cast bar xD anyone know how i can enable it again in plater? ty

[potent raven]

put craft in mh this in oh then upgrade this to 639

[real pike]

this is best long term

[royal lantern]

UPGRADE IS UPGRADE

[real pike]

but will be quite a small increase short term

oh means fuck all

if you have for instance the tier head in champ track that would probably be a better pick

but idk I'm not a sim

[rotund jungle]

His Plater does nothing to Castbar i think

[molten echo]

Is it possible to get the 4th spark this week? or is it next week?

[real pike]

next

[molten echo]

ree

[torn dome]

oh xD i must have pressed something while faffing then! whoops

[rotund jungle]

u playin with blizz castbar or WA ?

[blazing pumice]

the builds on wowhead don't

unless I'm missing something

[torn dome]

blizz

[tight root]

Hey guys

Quick question, everyone keeps talking about dragon-tempered blade yet the Mythic+ builds i find don't use it but do use caustic splatter won't i be able to apply caustic splatter more often using it?

[left sundial]

İ have heroic off hand but should i craft second dagger sim says

[rotund jungle]

try one of these

Mine disappears when I download a WeakAura with a disable script.

/script CastingBarFrame:Show()

Then

/script CastingBarFrame:ClearAllPoints(); CastingBarFrame:SetPoint(“CENTER”)

Then

/script CastingBarFrame:RegisterAllEvents(

[torn dome]

ah, thanks anyway i found it - had this ticked

[obtuse lance]

Whats the highest priority. Refreshing Rupture or refreshing Deathstalkers mark?

[wispy marsh]

Are you fatebound or deathstalker?

[real pike]

the annoying answer is plan ahead so you never consume the final DsM stack with rupture dropping

[vale lantern]

-150k on gems and enchants but atleast its done for now

[wispy marsh]

Reason I ask if because I haven't touched Fatebound yet so idk if it changes but I know Deathstalker M+ setup is similar to this, and you do have Dragon-Tempered Blades when running it

[vale lantern]

also apperently its a dps increase to swap which tricket is in which slot

[real pike]

wat

[vale lantern]

prob just a simcraft thing since i have 2 on use

[tight root]

Deathstalker

[wispy marsh]

Check the talents I linked above, that's the generic M+ build.

[tight root]

Cool il give that a try, thanks ^^

[vale lantern]

o.o it is also demanding i swap which ring is in what spot

this is rigged

[crude arrow]

guy's when activate king's bane ?

[wispy marsh]

Shiv, Tea, Kingsbane

[crude arrow]

i don't know when i need to activate this

[mystic kettle]

God damn

[crude arrow]

ok thank's bro

[obtuse lance]

When using KIngsbane should i just make sure to maintain evenom Buff or does the AOE from evenom (Poison Bomb) also counts as 'Lethal Poison'?

[blazing pumice]

you keep up envenom

[obtuse lance]

I know i need to keep up the buff, but should i try to spam as many envenom finishers as possible during that window?

[glacial crypt]

Love to see it blaster wp (:

[vale lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jk4SzVBSdX1R5uzPDtT5ap 1.1m lets go

[blazing pumice]

it doesn't matter

only shiv matters

for spamming

[normal mist]

Got a HC contract (princess) and eggsack trinkets in vault, both hero. Idk what to pick aaaaahhhh (sim is the right answer)

[glacial crypt]

Hehe have you simmed

[normal mist]

Nah I'm not home. GF is a cutie and usually shows me my vault before she goes to work herself, or in this case she got a day off

Idk what to pick BCS I really wanted to see how good the combo is for outlaw (weapon + trinket) and I already have the weapon LOL

[hot fulcrum]

omg, what r u simming for 8m?

[kind forge]

tell this cutie to also sim your vault

[normal mist]

Nah, I get that pleasure myself

[kind forge]

based sim enjoyer

[normal mist]

That shit will tell me eggsack and I'll be mad

I already have 2 619 trinkets, but both are actives (queen + serum)

[cerulean walrus]

My vault kinda stinky this week

Myth track helm

[past panther]

serum makes me sad

[normal mist]

Me too

[arctic socket]

Take the contract if you ever plan on swapping to outlaw royal

[past panther]

my first 2 vaults had 2 each

[arctic socket]

If you sim it’s gonna be egg

Egg op

[past panther]

and I got 3 back to back to back one day from bountiful

[normal mist]

That's what I'm expecting yeah

[past panther]

serum haunts me

[arctic socket]

Logged in at a friends house

That’s my vault

[cerulean walrus]

Well there it is I guess

Clear transmitter angle

[past panther]

arsenal is a fun trinket

[arctic socket]

(I couldn’t do anything this week since I lost power 🙂

[cerulean walrus]

[past panther]

but sac probably gonna be it

[arctic socket]

I have a hero track grace trinket

Mandate from queen

Hero track spyglass

626 knife…

[cerulean walrus]

Clearly still a transmitter angle

[arctic socket]

I mean

I’m thinking of it

[distant plinth]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cerulean walrus]

I’m joking that trinket is fucking

[arctic socket]

But idk how bad it is

[cerulean walrus]

Awful

[arctic socket]

Imma probably still take it for sub

[cerulean walrus]

You’ll actually want to die using it

Goofy ass where’s Waldo lookin ass I spy lookin ass WarioWare lookin ass trinket

[uneven summit]

i see most raider.io going ascendance and buff embellishment, do we know the difference between dawnthread x2 and that in m+? i can´t seem to find it

[viral spire]

socket angle

@arctic socket

[arctic socket]

Not enough to be noticeable

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

There's a comparison above

[arctic socket]

Nah imma try our transmitter

Sims higher so “surely” better

[viral spire]

No

[uneven summit]

Yeah so basically dawnthread should in general be the safe choice for m+ and fine in raid

[viral spire]

DON’T DO IT

I HAVE ROLLED IT TWICE IN MY VAULT AND 1 FROM WEEKEND EVENT REWARDS

[gentle aurora]

need help i'm going bald - can't decide between BIS cape (6/6 Hero) or Crit/Mast boots (1/6 Myth). I play assas so these would be BIS stats. Would both be replacing 606 items. I know I can sim it and I'm positive the boots would be better but the cape is 10% drop so do I just craft the boots next week? I play M+ - cape gives 2.5k avoidance when I take dmg and 10% healing buff.

[viral spire]

[arctic socket]

Capes pretty good

[viral spire]

Chest?

You have myth chest?

[gentle aurora]

I got 4/6 hero chest, 619 (tier-set)

[shell kraken]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[viral spire]

5p or 4p atm?

[shell kraken]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[gentle aurora]

4p!

legs are not tier-setr

[viral spire]

Chest probably better in the long run or if you have cata charge

Leg tier is ages better than chest tier for sin

[gentle aurora]

hadn't considered chest - I want to cata change my legs to tierset next week, don't have a charge atm

[viral spire]

Still might be chest for free uppies

Then eventually swap to tier legs

[arctic socket]

Chest tier has the worse stats

[gentle aurora]

damn i hadn't put chest in the mix at all, now i'm at a complete loss lmao

[viral spire]

Also depends if you have easy access to raid items or not

[gentle aurora]

i'll pug heroic raid this week i'm 8/8 HC

[viral spire]

That chest should be decent stats

[arctic socket]

I would sim and see your best upgrade form that, but the cape is a really good pick up

[gentle aurora]

chest is crit verse, not great

[arctic socket]

I would personally take the cape

[viral spire]

I don’t mean pugging, pug loot is

[arctic socket]

Any “very rare” are good pick ups

[viral spire]

Take cape

[gentle aurora]

oh no - chest is crit mastry if i don't cata it

legends - thanks boys

[viral spire]

You cant take cape from raid

Pugs will roll the shit out of it

Just take cape its safer, you can find chest elsewhere

[gentle aurora]

ya you're both right. thanks again. I take cape, no way I ever win a roll on that in raid

[arctic socket]

Before you take a piece though

Finish out your raid

[viral spire]

Yeah

[gentle aurora]

yeah good point

[arctic socket]

And what did the sim tell you?

[left sundial]

8 target 1 min

[dry nova]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gentle aurora]

imma be honest, i don't know how to change gear in sim (i.e. change to gear I don't have). need to watch a guide.

[arctic socket]

You pull the simc with vault open and it auto pulls

[solar wyvern]

In top gear there is a search bar, type in the items name and set its parameters (ilvl, gems, enchants etc)

For vault items tho, pull your simc and it should carry those into top gear as well

[arctic socket]

^

[orchid wind]

head with a socket, but i already got a myth on

should i go for chest since i'm equipping a champion one ?

[gentle aurora]

legend- simming now

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[orchid wind]

"Your opinion matters"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1023242076047024239.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=walkin

[arctic socket]

Prob will end up being the chest if you have one that low ilvl since agj

[orchid wind]

yeah 4 sure

screw sockets

GIVE ME AGILITY

[arctic socket]

Well agility is king

[fervent adder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[jovial idol]

What is agility?

[arctic socket]

I don’t know

Something that takes forever to max out on the courses

[jovial idol]

I thought it was a Pokemon move