assassination

[steel ridge]

simming more than playing

[clever sapphire]

im not raiding so i dont care about all buffs sim 🤷‍♂️

[steel ridge]

if you wouldnt sim so much and actually grind grim batol

you wouldnt have to worry about that shitty trinket :b

[maiden sierra]

...

I have 2700 score...

I did a LOT of grim batols lol

[clever sapphire]

aye i only have 12 grim batol runs or so, but its so feckin hard to get into it i just hope for vault loot or whatever

[steel ridge]

what ilvl is that serum thingy?

[clever sapphire]

its from delves

so hc max, aka 626

[steel ridge]

so vault 626

or map if you get lucky

[maiden sierra]

I got it through map

[clever sapphire]

isnt map also only hc loot

i thought you couldnt get myth loot from delves

[maiden sierra]

Its not mythic

[steel ridge]

map is 1/6 hc

[maiden sierra]

626 is max heroic

[clever sapphire]

ah i misunderstood smth mb

anyways, i would still take skardyns @maiden sierra if its only a 2k dps difference

unless its gonna be like 3-4% im not touching a cast time trinket

nor a minigame

[steel ridge]

thats like a 0,2% difference or what not

[clever sapphire]

yap

3.8k was 0.5%

[cerulean compass]

I got this in +8 but I died some times, do you see anything wrong ? 🤔

[maiden sierra]

Hey man, my guilds othet rogue is cracked, anything to not get benched

[tranquil lodge]

i need to share my pain

[clever sapphire]

just take some crack too, problem solved (this is a joke for anyone not getting it, dont take drugs kids)

[steel ridge]

who is the other rogue?

[brisk plank]

@balmy condor boss need your input for this one too

[frigid pilot]

What’s the best way to word it for the peanut brain tanks doin 10s to not chain pull at 1% hp left with a sin rogue in group

[clever sapphire]

you cant, stand back, wait for the mob to die and for you to drop combat

[frigid pilot]

They pull the mob into the pack we’re in

[maiden sierra]

Some sweedish guy

[frigid pilot]

Which puts me in infinite combat

[maiden sierra]

[quick pumice]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[clever sapphire]

well in that case link iron wire in the chat

[vocal minnow]

seems good - nothing out of line

[clever sapphire]

and tell him infinite silence

[frigid pilot]

I link them carnage

[clever sapphire]

maybe he will wait that 1 sec

nah thats dps, and they dont care about dps

[frigid pilot]

Still doesn’t work lol

[clever sapphire]

i barely use vanish in keys so not sure what tanks you guys have

[frigid pilot]

Just annoying af

[clever sapphire]

but also

!stealth

[frigid pilot]

Are you eu

[clever sapphire]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[vocal minnow]

issue is on your side tbh

[frigid pilot]

Or na

[steel ridge]

is this swedish guy in this room with us

[clever sapphire]

eu

[frigid pilot]

That’s why

Na tanks are garbage

[clever sapphire]

i mean my tanks die on pull 2 on this screenshot on keys 7-9

(grim batol)

[kindred elm]

I think this would apply to “normal chain pulling” tho. That shit that pug tanks do when mobs have 2% hp is just bad play I’d say

[clever sapphire]

oh ye it is, but still its not that big of a loss as people seem to think

does it hurt? yes

would it feel better if they waited that 1 sec? yes

[frigid pilot]

Yeah

Benefits nothing

I don’t know why the fuck they do it

Like either chain them early or don’t chain at all

[vocal minnow]

you still dont get more damage out of it to justify 4 other people waiting even 5s

[frigid pilot]

Frustrating as fuck

[royal lantern]

first: it doesnt matter, assa doesnt need stealth for value, thats outlaw

2nd: no you are not "stuck in infinite combat", i pug ALLOT and never see that happen to the extend some people here act it happens tonthen, most pug tanks pull1-2 packs togheter and dont move until they are dead, its maybe 1-2x a dungeon i cant stealth

3rd: stealth doesnt matter for assa

[frigid pilot]

The ruptures and garrotes spreading on next pack are obviously a massive difference

[vocal minnow]

no

[royal lantern]

they are not

look at your dmg lol

[clever sapphire]

play double vanish, problem solved

thats what that one guy in the pins does

[vocal minnow]

dont make it worse

[royal lantern]

i swear to god stop trolling

[clever sapphire]

xD

[royal lantern]

not funny

[kindred elm]

Why not pull that pack when the current one is still on 10% hp with dots running on them tho

[clever sapphire]

its funny for me because this is legit a daily thing that happens, the conversation is always the same and the conclusion also always seem to be the same

[vocal minnow]

ofc that would be better - but as i said even in the shitty 2% scenario its still better than waiting

[royal lantern]

^

your bleeds do fuck all dmg

its all spatter/crimson tempest

[limber lion]

But that's literally the best case scenario because you don't have to engage with the new pack and let the mobs die and then stealth

[frigid pilot]

Uhm having 20% agility from rupture in 5 targets

[royal lantern]

bleeds generate Ressources, thats it

[kindred elm]

For me it’s more getting to silence the next pack to grp them most of the time

[frigid pilot]

Which allow you to spam envenom into caustic

[limber lion]

Just because tanl pulls a pack, doesn't mean you have to as well

[royal lantern]

oh, so NOW you want chainpulls?

[frigid pilot]

Restealthing matters

Huh?

[royal lantern]

NO IT DOESNT

[clever sapphire]

fok - rup - fok - rup - fok - rup - fok - rup - fok - rup

[royal lantern]

JESUS CHRIST

every day the same shit

[kindred elm]

Remember we are talking about pugs here not grps in comms

[royal lantern]

i cant anymore

[frigid pilot]

Carnage helps putting ruptures out faster

[royal lantern]

allright yes

it does

[frigid pilot]

What’s so hard to understand

[royal lantern]

or you just fok rupture 4x and its the same

cus rupture does 0dmg

[steel ridge]

oh no its starting again

[royal lantern]

and you dont fuck your group by crying BUT MY STEALTH STOP PULLING

[frigid pilot]

Literally dorki on his tier list said sin rogue is good but needs tanks that aren’t dumb and chain pull last 5%

Cus of restate

[royal lantern]

dorki is a fucking idiot

like

[frigid pilot]

Restealth

[limber lion]

But Dorki doesn't even play rogue

[royal lantern]

legit braindead ape

[limber lion]

Literally doesn't matter

[royal lantern]

he doesnt even play rogue

[frigid pilot]

He plays with rogues

[limber lion]

It's like me or Whispyr giving advice on resto druids

There's no correlation

[royal lantern]

i play with a MW monk, does that make me a certified mw monk expert

[frigid pilot]

The rogues he plays with have obviously mentioned it

[limber lion]

Just because we play with them, doesn't mean we know shit about them

[frigid pilot]

It’s not like he’s getting the shit out of thin air

[vocal minnow]

bro do you really think the ~4 gcds you safe by being in stealth deal more damage than the whole group (including you) blasting 5-10seconds earlier

[frigid pilot]

Otherwise he wouldn’t have been so adamant about it

[royal lantern]

again

dorki is a fucking idiot

its well known lol

[frigid pilot]

Pulling at 5% does not help in anyway

[limber lion]

Idk why you would ever listen to Dorki but refuse to agree with the facts

We have videos and commands about it

[vocal minnow]

i give up - stay small

[frigid pilot]

They can walk up to the next pack until rogue is stealthed

[royal lantern]

listens to a guy that doesnt play rogue instead of the people that literally maintain the rogue API

is that a joke

[limber lion]

But you trust a guardian druid player instead the people who have played the spec for 15 years

[royal lantern]

like srsly

like yeha

i cant be assed anymore

every day the same idiots

not Listening

fuck me

[limber lion]

You can literally stealth if tank pulls at 5%...

Just because tanl starts a pack doesn't mean yoy have to shadowstep in and press fok

Learn some positioning

Will help ya

[frigid pilot]

I backup, he pulls the new pack into old pack

Combat chains

[limber lion]

That doesn't matter again

You don't have to engage the new pack

Even if the tank pulls 20 packs on top of your 5% pack

Doesn't mean you get thrown into combat

Unless you start hitting the new pack

[frigid pilot]

you sure about that?

[limber lion]

Wtf

[royal lantern]

making up some imaginary " i can NEVER stealth!!!11!!!" scenario

every day

and then acting as if its some giga big impact when we have the mathematical and practical proof that it doesnt matter

every day

[limber lion]

Brother I've played this class for 15 years

Yes I'm sure

That's how combat works

Combat is not global when one party member starts combat with a new pack

[normal mist]

You can't however run with the tank to the next pack

[limber lion]

You get thrown into combat if you engage the nrw pack, jist like would from stealth initially

Going too close or hitting them puts you in combat

[royal lantern]

yeha but Dorki said

[limber lion]

You literally just learn some positioning and if you see a tank chaining at 2%, then you take a few steps back and let the pack die

Then stealth

And go off

[normal mist]

This is the way

[frigid pilot]

Then why group being in combat sometimes triggers combat for me even when I’m not right in them

[royal lantern]

or you dont, just engage and rupture a couple times manualy and thats it

or you vanish

[frigid pilot]

On*

Unless you’re backing up a ton

[limber lion]

Some individual mobs can put you in global combat, but that is very rare. Also getting hit by an AoE attack will do that

[normal mist]

We do have something throwing us out of stealth

[limber lion]

Throwing out of stealth doesn't matter

We're talking about dropping combat

[normal mist]

Let me explain

[limber lion]

Alright

[kindred elm]

I’ve noticed this in the maze in mists

[limber lion]

When you enter a new room

It happens everytime

Consistently

[frigid pilot]

Yeah

[clever sapphire]

its when the mobs spawn so you gotta wait till mobs spawned

[fallen arch]

Ye once the mobs spawn I feel

[deep gyro]

I think for this u just cant go into the area first. Because mobs autotarget.

[clever sapphire]

let mobs spawn, then press stealth

[fallen arch]

This

[normal mist]

After GB 1st boss, my tank yesterday pulled 2 groups and didn't survive and I had everything dotted.
I died, released, went into stealth, and halfway to get back to the mobs that were still aggroed, my stealth just goes off randomly

[kindred elm]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Plenty of stealth bugs yeah

[kindred elm]

Your dots are still running tho right?

[normal mist]

It isn't REALLY annoying if you can reach the mobs because you have ic for 6 seconds

[limber lion]

Unfortunately we got plagued with stealth breaking bugs in DF

[normal mist]

But still annoying

[limber lion]

Which we have never really had before

[normal mist]

Yes

[limber lion]

We had one issue with Shroud in Shadowlands

But that's it

[limber lion]

Just because something is dotted doesn't break your stealth xd

[normal mist]

Yeah that's why I get somewhat frustrated

Being in combat doesn't mean losing stealth

[kindred elm]

I thought he was talking about being put back into combat and just thought it was like bone spike with training dummies

[normal mist]

No, I meant legit coming out of stealth

[clever sapphire]

i mean you get put back into combat, the issue is that sometimes it gets you out of stealth also

[kindred elm]

Ah

[normal mist]

Even if I received 0 damage

[clever sapphire]

now you are in combat out of stealth and like 15 sec away from the pull

[normal mist]

Exactly!!!

[clever sapphire]

i know that feeling, solution is to just not wipe

works for me 100% of the time

[limber lion]

!stealthbug

[normal mist]

Ahahaha

[limber lion]

Gg

[normal mist]

Damn it

[tropic tundra]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cyan summit]

Can u evasion the frontal of the necrotic mob ?

[fallen arch]

I think so

Side stepping might be better though

[clever sapphire]

dunno, but if you have time to press evasion, you might aswell just shadowstep

if you have him in target you will get behind him anyways and now you dodged the frontal and saved a defensive

[plucky patio]

When do i Use shiv, if i only have one charge?

[bitter badger]

last 7 secs in KB

[tawdry sedge]

wait what

is that some secret tech?

as far as i am concerned shiv is being casted right after kb

with enough cp to cast envenom right after

[slow tulip]

if you play 1 shiv you send it the last 8 sec

cuz thats when KB hits hardest

[limber lion]

That is the worst

[tawdry sedge]

yeah makes sense actually

[slow tulip]

if you have 2 - you have shiv for the whole KB

[tawdry sedge]

i have to rewire my brain now

damn it

[limber lion]

You either send it on cd regardless, thus before KB for KB's initial to benefit from it

Or last 8s of KB

[limber lion]

If you mean the first boss in NW, then yes you can evasion the frontal breath

The mobs you shouldn't ever need to evade on

[slow tulip]

well in m+ scenarios if the mob wont last the whole KB you obv send shiv right before KB

but in a boss fight etc - the last 8 sec

[oak eagle]

yo we just rip ER on cd right

[slow tulip]

ye

[cyan summit]

Yes for sure btw sometimes u get a tank who moves a lot

[cyan summit]

The mobs after first boss, sometimes I’m in a situation where my tank constantly moves around in circles

[median flicker]

That’s how you get ur dps to stand in poopy circle on ground that 1 taps u

Sounds kinda based ngl

[clever sapphire]

relatable, i just stand still and let the tank decide if i die to a frontal or not

[past panther]

mood

[lunar lotus]

are any class balances out yet 😮

like notes

[crisp pine]

Man they took everything from him

[limber lion]

Well in Mythic+ you kinda just send on cd, especially if you play AP

[ashen orbit]

I dont think there are any this week?

[limber lion]

No

[dawn kelp]

Does transmitter sim better then grace for anyone else

[novel star]

yes

trinket is very good but hard to use

skardyns is recommended over it because u just macro it and forget it

but transmitter actually takes effort

and has annoying rng on it

[ebon notch]

Why

[golden loom]

I have barely done any M+ but would want to get started to for example get skardyns, is there a difference between like a +0 and a +5 for the ilvl of the item or when does that start mattering? I think I saw +10 is for myth track gear but not 100% sure?

[tropic tundra]

m0 one would still be one of the strongest on-use if you fully upgrade it I think

[oak eagle]

10 for myth track is only vault

[tropic tundra]

its just too good with 2min cd

also that yeah

you can spam +7s gb to get a hero track of it

[oak eagle]

the lowest key you could get the strongest version at, would be +7

which arent very hard

if the people you play with

[tropic tundra]

getting myth track is vault rng

[oak eagle]

arent monkeys

but most of them are

[ebon notch]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[oak eagle]

but still

[ebon notch]

Here

[oak eagle]

its ez af

[golden loom]

so wait does myth track not drop from m+ at all currently?

[oak eagle]

no

only vault

like it always has

[golden loom]

yeah I had no idea, started playing last month 😄 but alright sounds good, thanks!

[proud pelican]

+2 loot and +6 loot can max out at the same ilvl so you could spam 2s with a higher success rate than spamming 7s if you’re just pugging in order to at least have the trinket then farm a hero track one later thats what i did

[oak eagle]

yeah but whats the point

of spamming 2s

just to spam 7s after that

[golden loom]

I guess it drops as champ track in +2 to +6?

[oak eagle]

might aswell just spam the 7s

[proud pelican]

If you’re hard farming it on hero track the yeah there’s no point in spamming the 2s

[oak eagle]

yes champ drops from 2-6

[proud pelican]

I got mine on champ track now just gonna wait until I get one natty I’m not farming a hero one

[golden loom]

done like 5 m+ dungeons total, the highest being a +5 so guess doing +2s to also get some raiting isnt the worst idea 😄

[fierce sigil]

Yo!
Does anybody know why im getting Knocked out of stealth in the maze Event of mists? How to fix that dumb Problem?

[oak eagle]

nope

been a bug since SL

was a bug then

still a bug now

its dumb

[fierce sigil]

Uff… thats Crazy dumb…

[oak eagle]

just gotta stealth after the mobs spawn

but before you get global combated

[proud pelican]

Certainly when mists makes it back into the dungeon rotation 3 xpacs from now it will be fixed don’t worry

[oak eagle]

lol

nt

but doubtful

the weird thing is

im pretty sure early on in mists

it used to not do that

[fierce sigil]

God damn Sounds legit and good 💪😂

[oak eagle]

and then they changed something with the maze

and made it so that

it started to happen

[fierce sigil]

Ok tyvm for ur answers guys 👍💪

[proud pelican]

Anyone know if I’m at max CPs with darkest night and 8s left on kingsbane, is it correct to shiv and waste the CPs or envenom-shiv and lose a second of shiv/KB overlap?

Can’t seem to find an answer on this

[oak eagle]

thats a Whispyr question

[arctic socket]

Send the envenom then shiv

[proud pelican]

That’s what I’ve been doing it feels right but idk

But what if I’m at max but DONT have darkest night

[golden loom]

Then wouldnt you still wanna envenom -> shiv cause the combo points gets you closer to DN

[arctic socket]

You would still send the envenom followed by shiv

[gilded rune]

im ready for mythic

[pliant roost]

ballpark how much % damage does Tier set add?

[limber lion]

I mean the only argument to shiv before Envenom at Max CP, is for DN

If you don't have DN, then it's not even a question

You Envenom first then Shiv

But whether or not to use Shiv before DN with 10 Amp Stacks

Now that's a good question

[arctic socket]

2p 1.3% 4p 1.3%

[vocal minnow]

I want my grieftorch back 🥲

[fathom nest]

I would shiv first. Havin 30% more dmg on your big envenom feels right to me...

[limber lion]

I would personally do too

[vocal minnow]

like 2

[arctic socket]

Yall over complicating it

[limber lion]

That's the point of the apl and theorycrafting

[oak eagle]

^

its their job to overcomplicate things

[gilded rune]

For real I want to harass the beings that die with my grieftorch weakaura

[limber lion]

the beings

[gilded rune]

the beings

[oak eagle]

the beings

[slate crown]

The wasted cp from shiv at max is minor imo. Applying its buff is more pressing. Envenoming first gets your mark applied sooner but is then less damage

Also

This is often forgotten but shiv is 8 sec not 7

It is more than half of a kingsbane not exactly half

So you technically have one gcd leeway on when you use it during kb

[oak eagle]

^

[limber lion]

Well

[slate crown]

I would also probably shiv first then env

[limber lion]

If you were to use Envenom when Shiv is ready, and Shiv right after

You would risk wasting one tick of KB outside of Shiv

[oak eagle]

i personally also shiv then envenom

[limber lion]

Or rather, very likely would miss out on a tick

[slow tulip]

Well its the same logic with mutilate at 6 cp if you have a darkest night - overcapping CP is fine - cuz spending DN / having shiv buff for KB is more important than the CP

[neat smelt]

does Mandate sim correctly for sin or do we need to add a custom apl

[limber lion]

It does yeah

[neat smelt]

my sim is in love with Ritual Knife then

[limber lion]

Yeah Ritual Knife is pretty good

You can cloak the debuff as well for more dps

Which the sim doesn't do

:-)

[neat smelt]

it outperforms mandate and spyglass on same ilvl

[spice surge]

yes

[limber lion]

Yuppies

It will fall off later

[spice surge]

But mandate and spyglass is available at higher ilvl

[neat smelt]

most likely pulling Ovinax today

[limber lion]

Can't get a 639 Ritual Knife

[neat smelt]

I could send upgrades on them, still have 105 gilded

being a bit greedy waiting for tommorow's vault

maybe i see a myth track trinket

[oak eagle]

yeah dont send upgrades tonight

[neat smelt]

not like we re killing ovinax in half a raid lol

[oak eagle]

nah whatchu mean

you got this

with the nerfs coming in 3 hours

itll be ez af

[neat smelt]

we havent pulled it yet

[oak eagle]

dont matter

1 pull

boutta be the best pull youve ever seen

[neat smelt]

just dont die

what do you guys think about CT and no CT on Ovinax btw

strictly for boss damage

[oak eagle]

i do what my guild tells me

they want me to play m+ build

i will

[slow tulip]

Ct is trolling

[oak eagle]

if they want me to absolutely blast the boss

ill do that

[slow tulip]

ye, if its like a specific guild plan ok

[neat smelt]

a few rogues that've killed it played CT though

[slow tulip]

other than that - trolling

[oak eagle]

well that was probably their raids gameplan

[slow tulip]

do as the guild asks is the answer here i guess

[oak eagle]

^

[neat smelt]

I understand CT's worth for add damage, but iirc there's been a discussion about doing more boss damage with CT

is that just cope

[oak eagle]

probably

i havent pulled ovinax yet

but seems like cope imo

[limber lion]

Funny enough CT is more prio dam

Whispyr just did some sims yesterday about that

I would play CT on Ovinax

[lean plover]

Theres a deathstalker talent that makes the marked target take 5% of the dmg dealt to other mobs, and ct deals more dmg basen on targets as well

[spring sigil]

I've just noticed my haste is really low lol

[neat smelt]

And I assume we'd only press it when adds are out?

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[oak eagle]

thats by design

!haste

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[neat smelt]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[limber lion]

Well, there's some niche things that allows usage in ST as well

But it's safe to just use with adds

[spring sigil]

So i'm not handicapping myself here with only 9% haste?

[limber lion]

It'll be a bigger loss to play ST CT incorrectly

[limber lion]

Not at all

[spring sigil]

oh good 😄

[limber lion]

Assa likes all stats

[spare nimbus]

Weird question, but in M+ you kind of only really need to apply deathstalker a few times throughout the whole dung through stealth with ambush right? cause the rest will just happen when minions die?

[neat smelt]

I see, is one of the niche situations having a lot of energy and won't choke your Envenom uptime by pressing CT on st?

[limber lion]

Yes, you just let Darkest Night handle it after the first pack

[spare nimbus]

very nice

[oak eagle]

probably, but getting into the habbit of constantly pressing Ambush out of stealth is also good, and youll want to press Ambush every pack if/when the bug gets fixed

[lean plover]

Thats what i did (heroic only, so dont take my advice to the letter), also if i had to run out of boss since ct has a bit of range

[limber lion]

Well yes, but more like you want the Momentum of Despair buff which you only get with Fan of Knives

And you'd only use FoK on single target with Clear the Witness procs

Assuming you don't play VV

[oak eagle]

and if you arent playing VV

[limber lion]

Too slow

Too bald

[oak eagle]

fuck

im so bad

im gonna just retire

[neat smelt]

[quasi swan]

is envenom poison damage?

[oak eagle]

yes

[limber lion]

Nature damage

[oak eagle]

same thing

[limber lion]

Not quite

[oak eagle]

pssh

[neat smelt]

oh wait, we dont consume CtW if we play VV? I need to refresh my basics lol

[oak eagle]

no you dont

[limber lion]

Yeaaah VV's a bit of a dumb one

[oak eagle]

yeah VV is def weird

[quasi swan]

whats the difference? everything that i think would be "poison damage" says nature damage in the tooltip

[limber lion]

It's only good on full ST with no adds whatsoever

[limber lion]

It's just weird naming shenanigans and stuff that might work with poisons might not work for nature dam

It's nothing to really think about or know about

Doesn't change anything

[neat smelt]

So, on Rashanan, would you consume CtW when adds are out?

[limber lion]

But just theorycrafting thingies

[limber lion]

Yes

On Rash you wouldn't probs even play VV

[oak eagle]

yes you should be pressing FoK when theres 2 or more

at least, thats what whispyr says

when playing DS

[quasi swan]

but for assassination its generaly everything thats nature damage is poison damage? (asking for the set bonus for example)

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Well let's just say that our 2p is 1.3% which is very very low for a tier piece

[neat smelt]

Alright, that's some good notes taken for tonight's raid. Haven't played assa in a minute so all this feedback is much appreciated

[limber lion]

You can try it out on dummies

Try sending a 5CP Envenom on a dummy without tier

And then once with tier stacked up

[stark scroll]

@normal mist

I see people upgrading champ gear to set piece to get 2-4 set. I was waiting until I was upgrading all hero pieces but its taking longer, does it make sense to upgrade champ or should I wait for all hero

[limber lion]

Should just wait for hero

Our tier set is of such low impact

It does not really help much

[oak eagle]

yeah

[limber lion]

Other classes are getting 10%+ from their tier set

[stark scroll]

Does all tier sets have the same stats?

[limber lion]

We get less than 3%

[oak eagle]

i was really surprised that i got 2p from raid

on week 1 tuesday

[stark scroll]

or if i upgrade one piece of armor over another

[oak eagle]

guild gave me 2 normal curios

[stark scroll]

my tier set will be diffrent

[limber lion]

Yes tier sets always have the same stats

[stark scroll]

or if i am in outlaw when i ugprade

itll be different than a sub tier set

[limber lion]

No

It's the same

[stark scroll]

ok cool

thanks bro

I feel like the set bonus for rogue needs a lil work

subs sounds ok though

[oak eagle]

not sure about the outlaw tier set

but i could see the sin tier

getting a lil buff

[stark scroll]

its mid

[vestal wren]

they nerfed outlaw

but buffed the set

its okay

[stark scroll]

it was decwent then they nerfed it

and it equated to a 1% damage boost to class

[vestal wren]

i think they did not need to nerf outlaw

[stark scroll]

no lol it did not

[cyan dew]

what's the consensus on transmiter? Worth using or Skardin + Sac/Mandate is better?

[vestal wren]

but was like overall close to no diffrence

[stark scroll]

correct

[quiet oar]

They do this always

[stark scroll]

hurt a little bit for those without set

[quiet oar]

seeing the first week

[stark scroll]

but if you had it

[vestal wren]

on subtlety absolutely, on sin depends if you like the minigame

[stark scroll]

it did nothing

[quiet oar]

OH NO OUTLAW IS DOING GOOD

nerfing and it falls behind

[vestal wren]

i woudl recommend using a weakaura for it

[stark scroll]

What is the transmitter minigame

?

[vestal wren]

the nerf was too low tbh

it was like 1-2%

thats a area you don't see diffrences

[stark scroll]

But arcane is running rampant

[vestal wren]

the problem is raid design

[stark scroll]

nerf outlaw

[vestal wren]

or rather cdr

downtime in raid punishes both sub and outlaw

[stark scroll]

fury warrior cleave and frost warrior is op

nerf outlaw

[vestal wren]

for sub thats because talents did not get re-evaluated

so a lack of attention from the dev team

for outlaw its just because of their core gameplay design

[vestal wren]

11.0.5 has changes iirc

but tuning isn't great

[stark scroll]

Frost warrior

I just noticed that

lol

I don't have 8 years of experience like yall to know whats right or wrong

I played BC, MOP-LEGION then dipped during the dark ages and am back

Ninety percent of that time was combat/outlaw rogue

I never touched sin or sub still now

In fact I played sub for the first time on sunday

[gritty laurel]

no time to think, just put your opinion in here and you're right until/unless you get righteously dunked on with sim numbers

[echo tartan]

how is assassins damage curve

[vestal wren]

how did it go?

[limber lion]

Damage curve?

lul

[gritty laurel]

not sure what you mean by "curve", do you mean scaling with secondary stats as expansion goes or ramp up time?

[vestal wren]

you mean damage pattern?

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[echo tartan]

yeah

[stark scroll]

We were doing normal ansurek

[gritty laurel]

oh, sustained aoe is our bag

[limber lion]

Burst once every minute

Bigger burst every 2 minutes

[echo tartan]

how big is dmg fall off

[stark scroll]

We cleared it after 5 tries or so I beat everyone in damage other than warriors

[vestal wren]

big damage every 2 minutes with some burst every mintue

[stark scroll]

One wipe I did beat the warriors though

[quiet oar]

tbh all rogue specs or mid to bottom atm

[limber lion]

Hey I said that already

hehe

[stark scroll]

Its an interesting spec

[quiet oar]

rogues are only chosen because of atrophic

[limber lion]

Well

[vestal wren]

its only first 4 bosses, but yep

[limber lion]

Rogues are chosen if it's a guild that doesn't care about giga minmaxing what specs to take

[stark scroll]

My issue with sub is I dont know where to put my abilities

SIN and OUTLAW are simple

[vestal wren]

fastest fingers on the planet, the lucky luke of typing

[stark scroll]

ouch

[limber lion]

https://tenor.com/view/kcorp-luckyluke-kc-valo-tlr-gif-25635846

[royal lantern]

what if we did a group hug at the bottom 5 spots :3

[quiet oar]

Good thing

They overbuffed fire again

like always

[echo tartan]

no assassination rogue are u strickly limited to daggers or can i use a good sworda swell

[stark scroll]

daggers and polearms only

[spice spire]

Daggers

[echo tartan]

polearms?

wdym

is he trolling me

[spice spire]

It’s dagger only

[limber lion]

Yes he is

[stark scroll]

dual wield polearms

[limber lion]

Only daggers

[echo tartan]

fuck u skollz

[stark scroll]

max damage evisecrate

[vestal wren]

so you are forshadowing it?

[frigid pilot]

god forbid all 3 mage specs arent top 5 and S tier in all content 🙂

[vestal wren]

sorted by popularity

[oak eagle]

wasnt sub supposed to lose Shadowdust going into the expansion?

[vestal wren]

3 weeks

[quiet oar]

Woah

less fires

than rogue !?

[vestal wren]

yes

everyone plays arcane

[frigid pilot]

is rogue gonna be fun after 11.0.5?

looking forward to auto thistle tea

frees up a bind

[oak eagle]

i thought i read when beta first came out, that they were supposed to lose shadowdust

youll be freeing up 2 binds technically

with ER also leaving

[frigid pilot]

ER was a mistake

fuck shadowlands

[oak eagle]

its just a passive now

[spice spire]

Rogue is fun now

[oak eagle]

yeah

[royal lantern]

that change is so so sooooo horrible lmao

[oak eagle]

and its gonna not be fun

[spice spire]

Fun is subjective

[oak eagle]

because were losing ER

[frigid pilot]

sub in keys was ruined

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

hot take

[frigid pilot]

only sin onetricks enjoy the current rogue

[echo tartan]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[vestal wren]

i think current er works well on sin and outlaw

[quiet oar]

but tbf, i wouldnt be surprised if arcane gets nerfed

[spice spire]

Not that hot er is totally fine

[frigid pilot]

early df sub keys and sub in vault

[echo tartan]

how hard is assassin rogue compared to outlaw

[quiet oar]

Like

[crisp pine]

It's different

[vestal wren]

i think er could be a new talent for either and would be fun

[quiet oar]

How do they look at ER

[royal lantern]

Deathstalker Assa with ER is the first time ER on assa feels good

and now they delete it

[quiet oar]

and think

[vestal wren]

its just bad on sub

[crisp pine]

depends on what you think is hard

[quiet oar]

Yeah good thing to remove

[spice spire]

Different degrees of difficulty - it’s APM vs sequencing

[echo tartan]

i see

[vestal wren]

as mentioned, maybe they move it to the sin/outlaw tree under a diffrent name

[spice spire]

I have faith.
Turning sbs into a passive ended up kinda neat

[vestal wren]

i mean, they have the spell, so sounds like a easy win

[quiet oar]

Well yeah

[vestal wren]

make it do nature damage on sin

[spice spire]

Idk what else they could

[vestal wren]

for bonus points

[echo tartan]

can someone whos really good link theyre m+ build for me pls

[crisp pine]

and pirate damage on outlaw

[echo tartan]

cuz there isnt one in faq

[spice spire]

If the goal was reducing button bloat

[echo tartan]

assassin faq is the worst ive seen yet

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
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[quiet oar]

GS gets baked in ER !? (the dream for outlaw)

[spice spire]

They’re all in there

Our main TC is also the guidewriter for 2/3 guides

[frigid pilot]

outlaw is all fun and games until you remember you're not 20 years old anymore and your wrists aren't bulletproof

[spice spire]

He’s be tripling his work

Makes no sense to do eh

[crisp pine]

damn fatebound sins aren't pressing buttons at all

[quiet oar]

Devoker

[stark scroll]

I dont like fire playstyle

[quiet oar]

dont press buttons

[stark scroll]

casts and abilities seems boring

[vestal wren]

i think the arcane rework was a success

[stark scroll]

just spam instant casts of spells

[royal lantern]

it got lower in tww cus you dont cancle disintergrate 2/3 trought the cast anymore

[vestal wren]

but arcane is now easy to play

[stark scroll]

no phoenixs or shit

[spice spire]

Call me a devoker the way I don’t press buttons

[vestal wren]

and good

[stark scroll]

I want to be kaelthas

[vestal wren]

so people see less reason to play fire

[stark scroll]

and worst part of fire is there is no daggers no stabbing and no stealth

[crisp pine]

Really? I still hear mages say how difficult it is

[vestal wren]

it is kinda like rogue where assassiantion is the easier to play spec with good output

[stark scroll]

imagine class with one dagger

[frigid pilot]

the real reason sin is more popular even when sub shits on it like in df

its braindead in ST

[royal lantern]

mages always tell you how mage is giga hard all the time to justify why mage is always overtuned lol

[stark scroll]

Admittedly envenom feels good to use

[crisp pine]

fair point actually

[frigid pilot]

danse mcabre in df alone meant alot of rogues were doing 0 dmg

[crisp pine]

I have 0 clue about mage

[stark scroll]

you know when you hit an execute on a target

[crisp pine]

I think they cast bolts or smth

[stark scroll]

and you just know a big number is going to come

[gritty laurel]

skb makes me hate fire mage gameplay

[stark scroll]

envenom hits and the poison bomb comes out and that sound effect plays

thats peak

[royal lantern]

the reason is "sub is a fucking shitshow for 2 1/2 expansions now with barely a coherent gameplay behind it" but ok

and tf you mean danse made rogues do no dmg

[echo tartan]

im not finding builds

[royal lantern]

2nd finisher secret tech

[vestal wren]

its not only that, sub changes too much. It seems like it is not allowed to keep a niche for long and often has problems meaning you are noticably worse on certain fights

[echo tartan]

nvm

i found

[royal lantern]

congratz, you now understood danse in DF

[crisp pine]

Go on wowhead, click on talent builds

[vestal wren]

e.g. subtlety in s1/2 df had the best aoe of all 3 rogue specs

[jovial idol]

There's two sides to that coin, the rotation difficulty and how to clear content. Admittedly it's a squishy class and defensives need to be used proactively most of the time instead of having self heals or something

[royal lantern]

i mean, it has a full heal

[jovial idol]

The rotation is easy

[vestal wren]

subtlety now is rly not good in aoe

[royal lantern]

[stark scroll]

Yeah I did one full clear of normal nerub, and one +5 mythic sege of boralus

[oak eagle]

you guys remember when Sub was just a funnel bot

[stark scroll]

it does not feel good in aoe

[gritty laurel]

did someone say two sides to the coin? i like coins

[spice spire]

I was about to say

[vestal wren]

so plaers that lerned sub in 10.0 and palyed in 10.2 are suddenly put in the positon where a strengh of the spec simply gets removed

[stark scroll]

I elected to just kill one target fast

[vestal wren]

and its a common theme

[frigid pilot]

its true, like shadow

[jovial idol]

Still kind of is

[royal lantern]

sub has no vision what they actually want

like, even the 11.0.5 changes somewhat reflect that, yeha they remove dust which is REALLY GOOD as a change, but now its basically the same burst style as assa....?

[stark scroll]

It is insane to me that sub will match peoples dps killing one target

[vestal wren]

11.0.5 removes dust, which is atm one of the niches

[frigid pilot]

but sometimes change is good

[stark scroll]

in time it takes them to do the same damage to multiple

[vestal wren]

its diffrent

[frigid pilot]

sin is just bread and butter put dots, big envenom rinse repeat

trickster sub is fun rn

[vestal wren]

like fundermentally

its the same, you have 1 and 2 min burst

[stark scroll]

I agree

[jovial idol]

Sin just feels bad in ST imo

[stark scroll]

Agree on this

[vestal wren]

but it looks more like subtlety gets to do 1 min burst cycles

[jovial idol]

But in aoe it's chilk

[stark scroll]

its boring

[royal lantern]

then people would play it

and they dont

[frigid pilot]

yeah energy is low af, fact that we have to pool sometimes to chain envenoms is wild

[stark scroll]

I do think sin is fun on fights like Silken court

[normal mist]

Late to the party but yeah our fellow rogues answered you already.
It's also something you can play with.
I leveled my 2nd rogue to speed up my Transmog acquisition process by using catalyst on veteran 4/8 items, and then upgrading them once, which gives me LFR+normal mode tier appearances

[vestal wren]

the two min cd (blades) isn't increasing it as noticably

[stark scroll]

but then i played sub on silken court

[frigid pilot]

ppl also dont wanna play the harder one

just cus its fun doesnt mean its ez

[stark scroll]

and i was like wait these cds line up with all the vuln windows

wtf

[frigid pilot]

ppl love playing braindead stuff

bm hunter

ret

[jovial idol]

The energy starvation on ST feels horrible

[royal lantern]

mate, you talk about "sub so hard" and then say in the next sentence "having to pool for envenom is crazy"

[vestal wren]

i am split on dust removal as a good change. You could just change the node to reduce cooldowns of spells to unlink it with vanish

[royal lantern]

you are NOT in the position to talk about "spec difficult" (which is always a stupid topic)

[frigid pilot]

pooling isnt hard, but comparing energy to df levels

[jovial idol]

Dust removal sucks because of pvp

[vestal wren]

pvp?

[royal lantern]

assa speed up compated to DF lol

[jovial idol]

Corrected

[rose wharf]

is there a "optimal" way for crafting?
my plan was to go Boots and Belt because i can do it myself and maybe get Bracers or Weapon after that with higher Crest because it is a fresh Char anyway and i will have to recraft.

[limber lion]

Idk I'm a Shaman main now

[novel star]

disagree

[limber lion]

And honestly seeing a lot of things that Assa is missing

[normal mist]

You really having fun with it?

[limber lion]

Very much so

[vestal wren]

i feel pvp has too much impact on pve design

[jovial idol]

Cause it reduces defensives also so sub is unkillable in pvp

[oak eagle]

im debating on leveling my sham

[novel star]

energy being a real resource on one spec is good actually

[limber lion]

Difficulty, every pull is a bit different, big dps payoffs when things allign perfectly

[near vale]

enhance one of the most fun specs theyve ever made

[vestal wren]

outlaw should too, no?

[near vale]

even though everyone seeems to hate it online

[limber lion]

So far agreed

[minor gate]

Elemental or enhancement?

[limber lion]

Enha

[jovial idol]

But outlaw does 0 damage

[minor gate]

Yes

[limber lion]

The Stormbringer gameplay with Tempest is great

[spice spire]

Amen

[near vale]

nah dude when you aoe pull and get like 10 maelstrom resets 3 times in a row its so crazy

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yay-shaqoneal-excited-dance-gif-8818184967646032189

[limber lion]

Yeah spamming Chain Lightning because you get resets over and over

God damn

[normal mist]

That's a spec I wanted to play since tbc days when windfury proc'd thousands of times and you'd see the wind around your character

[near vale]

• the primordial wave tempest interaction

[jovial idol]

Ok it's shaman discord now

[near vale]

got nerfed but its still cool

[vestal wren]

maybe i am unfair to the dev team

[limber lion]

Very cool

[vestal wren]

but they have this thing where you can tune/change spells for pvp specific

[limber lion]

Like I do a pull and Tempest is doing 45% of my damage

[vestal wren]

since 10 years

[limber lion]

Don't see that on a Rogue spec

[vestal wren]

so i feel like pvp should not lead to pve changes

[limber lion]

I have to scroll the details meter pretty far down to find Deathstalker's Mark

[jovial idol]

They can make dust a pvp talent

[royal lantern]

you should play destiny

[jovial idol]

Fixed

[limber lion]

Deathstalker buffs everything else in the kit except the hero talent niche itself

So it doesn't feel like it's doing much

Whereas Stormbringer is just full on Tempest everything

[vestal wren]

also possible, but i think would be op

[limber lion]

Everything in the tree just buffs the interaction

Very cool

[gritty laurel]

yeah but coins man, think of the coins

[vestal wren]

also your statements did contradict

[limber lion]

No lazy "aa does more dam" or "fok does more dam" or "ct does more dam"

[royal lantern]

deathstalker has only 2talents that actuall do something with the mark lol

first talent to apply, and capstone

everything else is random "X doesmore dmg"

[vestal wren]

wasn't the initial statement - sub is too good in pvp due to dust

[royal lantern]

such a clusterfuck

[limber lion]

or "wowza 2 coins instead of one!"

[vestal wren]

why would you want it as a pvp talent then

[limber lion]

Hate it

I didn't even realize how much I disliked the rogue hero trees

Until I tried other specs

[vestal wren]

hero talents for sure ended up quite meh

[limber lion]

Like it's crazy

[jovial idol]

They could tune down the cdr

[royal lantern]

thats what im saying all the time cev

in a Vacuum they are allright

but then you look at other things and its oof

[near vale]

yea its been a while since i played rogue and going from shaman/windwalker spamming abilities constantly with procs and ability resets on aoe/st then doing fuckk all waiting for my envenom buff to hit 1 sec is uhh interesting to say the least

[limber lion]

Like sure number is bigger or whatever

But eh

[royal lantern]

like, even the really passive ones like Slayer/mountainthane warrior

have more feel/impact behind them

[gritty laurel]

i've been dabbling with mm hunter and it's insane how impactful the hero talents feel compared to rogue

[jovial idol]

I just want trickster to have shadow clones

[gritty laurel]

even if the dps % is similar

[coral ibex]

play outlaw and try to fit 8 gcds in a 6s subterfuge

[crisp pine]

The Dark Ranger Update is insane tbh

[stark scroll]

Very nice

[novel star]

we’re probably never getting an update like the dark ranger thing

[echo tartan]

!wa

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[royal lantern]

i fit 8bullets in myself in 6seconds before i play Outlaw

[stark scroll]

Only 8?

[novel star]

rogue not normie enough

[gritty laurel]

yeah i'm full sending it when that launches

[stark scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

Dark ranger hunter?

do they stab people with daggers

[gritty laurel]

sometimes yes, with disengage

[limber lion]

Like literally the ONLY talent for Stormbringer that does not interact directly with Tempest, is Voltaic Surge which increases Chain Lightning etc. damage by 15%. BUT you get bigger/free Chain Lightning casts from using Tempest and using Chain Lightning has a chance to refund Maelstorm to build Tempest faster again

Like even though it does not directly impact it, it still kinda does

Like every single thing in the tree interacts with each other

[near vale]

ah man i forgot about the chain lightning buff after tempest lmao

[limber lion]

Like why do I start every sentence with like

[near vale]

why the fuck would you ever go the totem hero talent

[royal lantern]

like, why does the Deathstalker mark by itself buff MUTILATE/BACKSTAB

like??????

[stark scroll]

I watched a video of elemental shaman srtormbringer

[novel star]

but consider a 15+ coinflip streak

[stark scroll]

that thing was fucking emperor palpatine

[royal lantern]

why not go full into mark doing stuff

[limber lion]

I know right fuck that tree lmao

[stark scroll]

zapping the fuck out of everything

[limber lion]

Yeah literally could have made the mark much more interesting

[near vale]

did you see liquid doing splits with the ele shamans?

[gritty laurel]

more like consider going 2.5 minutes into a pull without getting the agi coin because fuck you that's why

[stark scroll]

yeah

[near vale]

chain lightnings filling the screen lmao

[limber lion]

Consuming the mark causes your next Envenom to apply the mark to ALL targets

[novel star]

just win the 50/50 in opener and you’re fine

(:

[limber lion]

Using Crimson Tempest will consume stacks from all targets hit

[gritty laurel]

true, i'm bad

[limber lion]

Like so much potential

[frigid pilot]

tuning

[crisp pine]

Honestly I just want more visuals for Deathstalker

[novel star]

i would take literally anything other than aoe buffs before aoe buffs

[limber lion]

Simple man

[novel star]

to be honest

[royal lantern]

*for rogue

[limber lion]

Look

Enha has a choice node

[gritty laurel]

oh good, sub still higher than assa by a little, their channel can get the "should i play X spec for raid?" spam

[limber lion]

for AoE or ST

It doesn't have to be one or the other

Crazy concept

I know

We get FoK and CT dam in single

poggies

[royal lantern]

and we can FoK in single target

[near vale]

just ignore raid and look at m+ tier lists

raiding sucks anyway 😄

[royal lantern]

you suck

me

[near vale]

truest shit ive ever heard

[royal lantern]

:3

[novel star]

i think raiding is okay

[near vale]

do you pug

[limber lion]

Raiding > Mythic+

personally

Mythic+ is my source of gear

for raiding

[novel star]

generally no but i’ve had more fun and success pugging than playing with the drooling morons in my current guild

so

[near vale]

raid pugging might be the worst experience in any game ever made

[novel star]

kinda?

[near vale]

we have diff experiences lol

[novel star]

i pugged aotc earlier

after my raid wasted 2 hours on heroic court

[frigid pilot]

only reason m+ has high playtime rn is forced activity from crests for raiders since you can't get 80 crests from raiding rn unless you're in liquid

[echo tartan]

ever played as jungle in league of legends

[near vale]

me when im taking red buff and my bot lane dies to a warded gank and pings me 50 times

[near vale]

literally havent seen p3 one time because people cant stand in right bubbles so whole raid gets debuff one shot every attempt 😭

[novel star]

ya idk

[gritty laurel]

that and grim batol prison

[novel star]

haven’t had major issues like that with pugs really

i just lied about having p3 xp

[near vale]

loool

[royal lantern]

41 runs and no trinket

:3

[novel star]

and then it worked

[royal lantern]

:3333

[novel star]

[royal lantern]

im losing my mind

[near vale]

i gotta start doing that then

[oak eagle]

oof

dw

you get in vault

[gritty laurel]

amazing that you've found 41 GB key groups and actually been invited to them

[oak eagle]

in a couple hours

[novel star]

if ur not stupid as fuck every heroic boss is very easy

[nova aspen]

vaultmas day

[novel star]

me n homie i joined with just weren’t in the pug discord

and i was assigned pop n shit

[gritty laurel]

hope all you homies get your hero/myth skardyn's today

[novel star]

u straight don’t need comms or anything heroic is braindead easy

[near vale]

no yea like queen heroic mechs are not hard at all but like the average wow player cant do them 😭

[novel star]

people just fucking blow at wow

[oak eagle]

surprisingly only took me 11

to get Skardyns

[novel star]

wow players are unbelievably stupid

on average

[near vale]

Like we will wipe 10 times to the debuff and every time we will have people call out their group numbers and every single time we get 3-4 stacks of the debuff

[oak eagle]

true

[novel star]

it’s actually insane

[near vale]

kyveza heroic is also insanely easy but its a pug killer somehow

[echo tartan]

im a pro fortnite player does this include me

(im joking)

[novel star]

ya hc kyveza u don’t have to respect anything except the lines really

and even that you barely respect

anywhere other than through the raid is fine

[near vale]

yea on top of that everyones like dont send orbs through raid which is like yea thats true but the people standing in the raid will just stand still and let themselves be one shot by an orb

like u have wasd keys u can move if someone fucks something else up

[faint vessel]

am also over 40 runs

[spice surge]

My favourite choice is choosing between flensing knives and evasion getting 20% magic dr

[novel star]

flensing bis

i need that 1.5% dam

[limber lion]

Same

[timid marsh]

guys when you fight Silken Court, you go AoE Build or Single Target Build?

[echo tartan]

how much longer can u get let me solo hin

him

[limber lion]

It's like choosing between ER and Without a Trace

[near vale]

think you go just caustic no?

[faint vessel]

cleave raid like the rest

[novel star]

just caustic

[faint vessel]

just caustic

[timid marsh]

❤️ thanks

[faint vessel]

its like sikran and...thats it? for no caustic

[novel star]

i guess you could play CT but it’s pretty cringe and most likely not actually good

[novel star]

rashanan

kyveza

[faint vessel]

oh right nexus

rash has mobs

pretty sure most parses are running caustic there ye?

[near vale]

honestly i think blizz is just running out of ideas for most classes in terms of hero talents/set bonuses

[gritty laurel]

it's whichever of those bosses you remember to actually swap to internal for

[novel star]

mobs that your spatter doesn’t reach

[near vale]

games old cant rly do much else lol

[stark scroll]

they die instantly

[novel star]

unless ur raid places the adds right on the edge of the plat which they could do i guess

but even then yeah insta ded so

[faint vessel]

so 3/8

[novel star]

rash mobs are just fan of knives cp farming

and maybe a rupture snipe if you feel like being sexy

lil sexy parse demon

[novel star]

[stark scroll]

A little sexy full bleeds and crimson tempest on the mobs

kek

[novel star]

[stark scroll]

the throw caustic bomb on your warriors to stun them so they can tcleave mobs and you can pump your numbers

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

raid lead will ask who threw that, blame the windwalker monk

[royal lantern]

pushed 2,6k score to get into groups SLIGHTLY faster when no guildmates are onnline

still takes 15min+ for a +7 key invite

[oak eagle]

felt that

[round nexus]

Shadowstep range on party(raid) frames, has anyone solved this in a good way?

[maiden yew]

Anyone have advice for surviving several casts of Retch in the blightbone fight in NW? In high keys it oneshots me. I'm also confused that evasion works to dodge the cast, but I still die with cloak

The issue is of course only in the odd chance that I get the cast multiple times on me

[nova aspen]

you're only immune to it within the first second of casting cloak

aka "empowered cloak"

u might be able to vanish before its casted also?

never tried

[vocal minnow]

dont vanish

[winter cobalt]

Wait, what? Doesn't cloak negate it?