assassination

[keen spruce]

I don't think it's even that common in a 1k guild

if you're getting CE, then everyone is kind of on board with just getting CE

unless you have m+ players in the raid team that are way better than everyone else

then they're fkin vibe terrorists

[waxen oyster]

like i cant ever be mad when dh gets something over me most of the time

since they’re in all the time for buff

[royal lantern]

nah, its wr 400-700 where you have 60% of the raid beeing guild hoppers, and they are angry that they dont get their best item setup asap (and then leave for 40wr higher at 4am in the morning)

[keen spruce]

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR TITLE PUSH 10 WEEKS FROM NOW KEVIN, TIMMY THE WARLOCK IS GETTING THE TRINKET

[slate crown]

God damnit Kevin

[drifting cloud]

but its push week

[waxen oyster]

someone link

[royal lantern]

ITS PUSH WEEK

[waxen oyster]

gromnak push week clip

[keen spruce]

WHATCHU PUSHIN BUD

?!

[royal lantern]

GET PUSHED OUT OF THE FUCKING GUILD

[keen spruce]

[copper panther]

Maybe I’m just blind to it I haven’t been in a guild that isn’t entirely focused on prog for a bit and my last guild that was less serious was very chill

[keen spruce]

we have so many gromnak soundboards

for when m+ers start grumbling about gear

[waxen oyster]

i have that

and heal my character soundboards

[keen spruce]

I still don't think that 400-700 is even that bad

I saw the most guild hopping from new-mythic raiders / guilds

and people abandoning ship trying to get carried to CE

[waxen oyster]

honestly

[keen spruce]

so many 5/8 guilds just crumble after their best tier

[waxen oyster]

trying to get into the CE scene if you’re not an absolute god gamer

[keen spruce]

cuz their rosters just get gutted

[waxen oyster]

is a cesspit

the first 1-2 tiers

[keen spruce]

by late CE guilds replacing roster

I basically tripped and fell into all of my mythic and CE experience

[royal lantern]

for me its like

current guild is WR 800-1100 with 2days, and its 0 loot drama cus everyone is focused on just getting CE fast, cus only 2raid days a week means you need to play a good bunch cleaner/progress and learn faster then most

then i was in guilds that where WR200-300, and it was just endless bitching about caster staffs and trinkets 24/7, and half the raidrooster was replaced at the last boss cus so many people left quietly during the tier

[royal lantern]

ye, trying to "climb" and stuff

the stupid Part is when they dont stop at some point and realise "im happy here" and instead keep trying to climb without the skill to show for the higher level

[round nexus]

Maybe I get time to do some top 1k raid guild in 10+ years. But then my reaction time is probably too slow anyway 😅

[copper panther]

Yeah I think this is more of a problem on NA when I just did keys and raided to vibe with the boys in a 500-600 wr guild no one really cared aslong as prog was going fine and now in a wr 50 guild it’s not even an argument it’s just going to the best player to put it on I haven’t ever really had any loot drama in my guilds but I could just be lucky or oce are just blessed

[slate crown]

Simply join a guild in OG BC that carries on to becoming a CE guild a decade later and always stay in that community idn not that hard

[ancient rain]

Bro this is so unfair...

[waxen oyster]

Isnt oce community like

[royal lantern]

like shmeeps said, its also established guild VS new one tbh

established guilds with a strong core roster have less drama by default

[waxen oyster]

hella small

where everyone knows each other

[copper panther]

Oce is pretty small yeah

[waxen oyster]

at the higher end

[balmy condor]

We just can’t catch a break man

[keen spruce]

I was getting free +15 carry give aways from a streamer in BFA s1
got so many carries that I had enough gear to help them do carries
they invited me to come raid with their CE guild
joined on jaina prog cuz some people had left. first time pulling a mythic boss that wasn't the frist 2 of a raid
first CE they didn't get
didn't play the rest of BFA
GM whispered me while I was playing diablo at SL launch and bought me the xpac so I could come RL their 2nd team
all 3 raid teams disbanded on SLG and guild died
same GM made me buy DF the day before launch to raid with new guild that he was trialing for
he got kicked the first week
we didn't get CE
chicken from original guild told me to come play with skyhold
got first CE

[balmy condor]

Sorry for you or congrats

[keen spruce]

ty

I took too long to type and conversation moved on

[waxen oyster]

I remember asking someone in honestly and he was just like

[copper panther]

This is also probably a big part to why I haven’t experienced much loot drama

[waxen oyster]

”yeah we just know whos good”

and yoink them

if they need new players

[covert jewel]

that had me choke for a second

[balmy condor]

Sorry you had to go through that experience

[keen spruce]

this is big true

[copper panther]

Depends on the class aswell like genuinely good warriors do not exist oce they are very rare so honestly would probably know every good pick it they needed one

[keen spruce]

low CE guilds keep big tabs on gamers on their server

[waxen oyster]

No i meant they kept tabs on whos good

[waxen oyster]

Eroka?

[copper panther]

Eroka is the warrior yeah

[keen spruce]

yeah that's what i mean

they keep tabs on other guilds on the server

[waxen oyster]

rip thorchas

[keen spruce]

and their best players

[waxen oyster]

Nukkz returned looking at ethical logs

[keen spruce]

there's servers that track guild disbands

[copper panther]

Sry good warriors exist there’s just not that many right eroka obv a god there’s a few other giga gamers

[keen spruce]

and it's like a pirhana feeding

[waxen oyster]

Yeah true I heard leech is a decent gamer albeit a personality

[royal lantern]

the problem is

warriors get collectively dumber based on the strenght of the class

warrior strong? well, they gonna be the dumbest mf's you have ever seen

[waxen oyster]

And friends have kind of agreed, most long time havoc mains that are good at what they do.

[copper panther]

TRUE (I had to play warrior as a split char and my brain was definitely off when pressing blade storm) oook

[waxen oyster]

Often have questionable personalties

[dawn heath]

can someone tell me whats breaking my stealth?

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iMZ4skdxgLbMUvDkT/d1337UcxmKyy?invite=cr-MSxIeFosMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

i shadowstep > ambush but stealth breaks so its presses CT instead (same bind)

[royal lantern]

did you rightclick

aka start auto attacking

[dawn heath]

no idea

[waxen oyster]

Warrior in my old guild

got told by gromnak he belongs in his own ape enclosure

in the zoo

[royal lantern]

our warrior died on the first mechanin on sikran

the first 3 pulls

idk how that even works

[copper panther]

That is

Impressive

[royal lantern]

like, what is doing dmg there that kills you??

[waxen oyster]

i watched a warrior in sanctum charge into boss

while he had chain pull

he got rezzed

and did it again

in the same 20 secs

[keen spruce]

looks like u right clicked and auto'd but not sure

[royal lantern]

3times the charm

[waxen oyster]

Did he like

get charged multiple times

[dawn heath]

i played it in slowmotion

still cant see

[keen spruce]

yeah hard to tell

My GM is a warlord warrior dps

[primal quest]

is there any benefit to macroing thistle tea with shiv ?

[keen spruce]

hence our guild being called fking skyhold

[waxen oyster]

average warrior player doesnt know you can just d stance

[keen spruce]

but he very good

[waxen oyster]

on mechanics you run out with

[keen spruce]

RLs and does all loot

and does strats

[royal lantern]

no, its bad

you waste many many tea charges into nothing

[primal quest]

same thing about kings bane i guess

[waxen oyster]

why would you ever

[keen spruce]

just keybind it

[copper panther]

There was a conversation about this earlier tldr it’s not the worst thing to do in the world but if you care about your damage don’t do it just learn to correct timings it doesn’t make your cd window harder

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

ngl start of sepulcher

i got asked if i wanted to play warrior that tier

in case the warrior trial was too big of a bonobo

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure shadowstep has some startattack logic built into it if the rest of your group is in combat or something to the effect, you're not the only one who this happens to

[primal quest]

there any useful macros for assa tho?

[waxen oyster]

We dont have any buttons really

[keen spruce]

There must be billions of rogue players to have, on one hand, this many people wanting to macro tea at all costs and on the other hand, thinking that the tea change is 2nd cataclysm of azeroth

[waxen oyster]

you can macro on use to deathmark

if skardyn

[copper panther]

I think it’s fine on transmitter too if your not Insta proccing the buff

[royal lantern]

deathmark+trinket and maybe pot i gues

[waxen oyster]

would not macro transmitter to deathmark personally

but you can

[balmy condor]

transmitter should be cast before deathmark so you can finish the minigame when you press kingsbane

but that's a tough thing to do

[copper panther]

I tend to prefer to press transmitter earlier in cds (flag on sub) so it’s easier to get for the entire dmg window

[copper panther]

This

[waxen oyster]

people who precast transmitter

are wild to me

[royal lantern]

people wo use transmitter

[keen spruce]

trinket, pot, deathmark
focus kick
focus kidney
"/e pickpockets you for 1g"

[balmy condor]

I've considered nerfing transmitter in sims because right now it's perfectly completing the minigame at +1 seconds into deathmark to last the last 15 seconds of your burst

[waxen oyster]

transmitter makes your initial ovinaxx pulls look good

when you wipe sub 1min in

[balmy condor]

having it just cast the trinket with dm and getting the buff asap was one of my ideas for nerfing it

but idk

[primal quest]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfect-emperors-new-groove-very-good-gif-5346522

[balmy condor]

it's always a very touchy thing

[copper panther]

I mean you kinda have to on sub cause if you ever get jump 3x you WILL miss your first ST in your window (as trickster) but imo just play skardyns instead on sin

[primal quest]

thanks for the /e pickpocket idea

[copper panther]

Skardyns is also better for execute damage im pretty sure and usually that’s what’s important

[waxen oyster]

Yeah dont remind me

stuck in gb jail

[balmy condor]

like I nerfed witherbark branch in sims as well to pick up the second and third orbs later than was ideal to make it more "human" in that regard

but idk

[keen spruce]

it doesn't really work anymore cuz it's been around since classic, but maybe some new players will still get got idk

"/e spits on you" also good

AoE spit

[waxen oyster]

wasnt optimal witherbark to stagger all 3

or was that for dh not rogue

idr

[copper panther]

🙂 I was lucky and just got one without farming so on brood I didn’t have to think about tiny orb inside big slug

[balmy condor]

witherbark had like a window of orb 1/2 then extend 3

[keen spruce]

stagger 3rd

[waxen oyster]

could be worse i had to prog early amir bosses

with igira trinket and snake trinket

fucking painful

[copper panther]

Lmfao true that sounds rough

[balmy condor]

but it was difficult to hold the last orb for the stagger as long as sims

so I made it pick it up a bit earlier

[waxen oyster]

actually was like

the squidward meme

watching people play outside

[keen spruce]

the little wiggle shuffle to edge the last orb

made me both giggle and drove me crazy

[waxen oyster]

yeah idr what igira trinket was called anymore

[copper panther]

I’m very glad I was able to play sub for last 3 amir tbh could play ashes not branch

[waxen oyster]

i got nicholas in 3 runs though

[copper panther]

I think transmitter is less cringe to use than branch

[keen spruce]

bandolier?

[waxen oyster]

lol my last vault before extend prison in amir

was choosing between mythic ashes and brand

[waxen oyster]

yeah that

[keen spruce]

silly trinket

my RL gave it to me for OL keys cuz our DH was annoying

[waxen oyster]

same tier they made mydas not contemplate yeeting your pc out the window

[copper panther]

I think later the meta was ashes branch for sub but I never did it cause I don’t care about logs in farm

[waxen oyster]

if you saw it in your chest

[keen spruce]

looting a mydas in bfa

was

somethin

[waxen oyster]

Oh yeah ashes branch on tindral was superior pad

[keen spruce]

that was a go-outside angle

[waxen oyster]

you’d branch vines

and ashes boss

i think i ran it since my other trinket option was at best sandglass

[keen spruce]

I got world 2nd +10 underrot with an m0 mydas

took us like 2 hours

[waxen oyster]

should have seen me loot prydaz in legion

instant logged off

told guildies im not playing wow today

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

mydas in bfa

[balmy condor]

unironically I loved prydaz/valeera pants in legion

[waxen oyster]

was comparable to looting a haste neck in legion

valeera’s was ok

saved my ass doing world content

[balmy condor]

one of my fondest memories in the game is running prydaz/valeera in first boss eye of azshara and taking 0 external healing because I was just spamming feint and shielding the damage

[waxen oyster]

more than i care to admit

[balmy condor]

and the healer going "wtf rogue"

[waxen oyster]

i mean some people used pants

to feint in guldan wells

[copper panther]

I think I was 13 in legion playing havoc dh gg I have very little memory but I was told people wanted to die when it took forever to get bis leggo

Gear acquisition was heavey rng?

[waxen oyster]

oh yeah dh was

loot ring

or uhh

xd

[balmy condor]

yeah basically legendaries dropped randomly from content, higher content was a higher chance

but you could spam m+ for weeks and see nothing

and then walk into an LFR wing and see a guy get 2 in a row

and it was just horrid

[waxen oyster]

i got vendetta cdr boots

[keen spruce]

I don't remember ever getting a legendary

when I played on launch

I quit very quickly

[waxen oyster]

same votw the other 2 dps from azralon got knocked off the ledge

[keen spruce]

loot drops did me so dirty I came back as an affliction warlock in Antorus

[copper panther]

Sounds very rewarding and enjoyable

[balmy condor]

I remember getting my first legendary from heroic elerethe renferal

[waxen oyster]

hell yeah i loved doing

lfr normal and hc every week

for legendary chances

[balmy condor]

Idk, I was a lot more casual in legion but I have a lot of good memories from the legendary system and titanforging

even though I would hate it now

[keen spruce]

Blizz also just casually lied about throttling legendary drops

[waxen oyster]

i also got xavius shoulders

as a side effect

of lego farming at least

[balmy condor]

I have heavy rose glasses

[keen spruce]

nothin like the dopamine hit

[waxen oyster]

i think i was trying to pull mantle

[keen spruce]

from a fat titan forge

[waxen oyster]

from relinquished vendor

[keen spruce]

as bad as it was

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure it was on it

[keen spruce]

that was some good sauce when the slot machine hit

[balmy condor]

I remember spamming maw of souls and being happy

and that one trinket that was okay

[waxen oyster]

happy

[balmy condor]

angerboda or whatever

[waxen oyster]

doing maw of souls?

[balmy condor]

it titanforged like 40 ilvl

and everyone pogged in voice

and I wore it the rest of the tier

it was so sick

[waxen oyster]

funny flavor effect where it procced extra

on deaths

[balmy condor]

I unironically love maw of souls

even now

[waxen oyster]

i like it besides like uhh

if i pugged a maw key

and the tank was a prot pal

[keen spruce]

fast, simple, blast

[waxen oyster]

50% chance he got oneshot

[keen spruce]

how m+ shoudl be

[waxen oyster]

by helya tendies

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

yeah

[waxen oyster]

wdym make every dung

[balmy condor]

simple but punishing bosses

[waxen oyster]

as long as dos

[balmy condor]

you could make pulls REALLY hard

or just go one pack at a time

[keen spruce]

the only reason maw of souls is remembered less than fondly

[balmy condor]

everything from the start into the first boss and lust

was just like

[waxen oyster]

I mean maw is probs my favorite key

[balmy condor]

peak blaster pov

[keen spruce]

is because it was the most efficient grind

so people ran it 7000000 times

all day

[balmy condor]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

second boss was brutal

on higher keys

[balmy condor]

I also loved darkheart because the route planning was so interesting cause that place had like 400% trash in legion

and you could skip like 25 packs and still get the count

but blizzard didn't like that apparently when it came back

:3

[waxen oyster]

they brought back dht

[fallen arch]

Now we have NW

[waxen oyster]

but added no new mechanics

[royal lantern]

:3

[fallen arch]

Where u have to pull close to everything

[waxen oyster]

why did they decide this expac

they need to add more mechanics

for old m+

[balmy condor]

I will never understand why blizzard insists on this

[fallen arch]

Me neither

[balmy condor]

like actually one of the most illogical things in the game imo

[royal lantern]

hey hey hey, you can chose bettwen "do we pull the 4caster pack before the bridge" and "do we pull the 3 portal masters"

[fallen arch]

Ye I guess

[royal lantern]

insane choice

[balmy condor]

adding packs to choose routes and if you can double pull stuff together or if you run a different way there's a more efficient pack later that lines up better with cds

like that's so cool

but blizzard went down the path of hold W and pull everything

which is just

????

[waxen oyster]

i do like going into nw pugs as this spec

[copper panther]

Keys are always more fun when there’s a lot of room for creativity with a route

[balmy condor]

even waycrest manor had that with the different paths you could run

[waxen oyster]

and healer asks where the minibosses hp went

[balmy condor]

and then they took that away too

like what the fuck blizzard

[keen spruce]

BRUH WC

MANOR

WAS A TRAVESTY

JUST OPEN ALL OF THE FKIN DOORS

[waxen oyster]

King’s rest

[keen spruce]

THATS IT

[balmy condor]

waycrest was such a cool key

[waxen oyster]

best designed dungeon

/s

[keen spruce]

JUST HAVE ALL DOORS OPEN

[balmy condor]

yeah

[keen spruce]

IMMEDIATELY GOOD

[balmy condor]

and they just decided not to

[keen spruce]

and make the witches always spawn in the same place

cuz like

why add the tax of having to walk into m0

just to go look where the fkin witches are

once a week

[balmy condor]

but honestly, I think encounter design in general has gotten worse over the years lowkey

like even outside of m+

raid fights are getting worse

there used to be like 1 meh fight every raid

[waxen oyster]

what you dont like every endboss having an entire textbook

[balmy condor]

but now it's like at least 1 bad fight and 1 meh fight

[waxen oyster]

of mechs?

[keen spruce]

I think raid fights are getting too "new"

they're cramming in too much stuff

[copper panther]

I think this raid is pretty good but yeah I agree for the most part current m+ pool is miserable

[keen spruce]

to try to be novel

if they just did the basics well

and add in like 1 flavor thing

[waxen oyster]

why does sikran

force downtime

like every 20s

[slate crown]

The worst

[thin plinth]

Hi guys i havent played since BFA, can someone recommend me an updated guide for the talents and rotation

[keen spruce]

!builds

!build

!guide

[thin plinth]

!builds

[copper panther]

Brood is the only boss I think is objectively bad this raid im not sure how I feel about silken probably pull that this week and hate it or love it

[keen spruce]

goddamnit

i don't remember

[covert jewel]

[keen spruce]

go to wowhead

wowhead good

[waxen oyster]

blizzard

nerfs melee range

makes brood a boss

absolute cinema

[copper panther]

Despair

[balmy condor]

for dps it's pretty okay but like ovi'nax??????? Silken court????? and like don't look at tank gameplay, cause that's miserable

tanks are actually full agony

cause their tank mechanic design

is so giga shit

[copper panther]

Yeah tanks are gg

[keen spruce]

at least they're trying to make raid tanking interesting

they're just not doin a good job

[copper panther]

Is silken that bad? I didn’t mind the look but I haven’t done much prep only watched vods

[keen spruce]

rashok tank swaps

should be the default

that all future tanking is built upon

[covert jewel]

at least ovinax is going to be a meme next reset, so only court remains

[waxen oyster]

like

who designed zskarn

and said

yeah this is good

[keen spruce]

zskarn was almost very good

but it was just bad in the worst ways

[waxen oyster]

my actual favorite was sepulcher

i love swirlies

[copper panther]

Ovi’nax will be a meme for people who have killed or done a bit of prog I think guilds getting to it just now it will still be a real boss

[waxen oyster]

the same color as the floor

[balmy condor]

this is a 15 second window on rasha'nan

[waxen oyster]

W for visibility

[balmy condor]

and it's legit just a dot

because lmao you didn't immune it

monk on that fight is miserable

[keen spruce]

I was watching my guild prog yesterday

and the BM

[waxen oyster]

All I know for rash and brood

[balmy condor]

because they're a damage smoothing tank, not an "immune everything" tank

[keen spruce]

was getting absolutely farmed

[royal lantern]

stagger not working again?

[keen spruce]

on that boss

[balmy condor]

and it's just like

what

[waxen oyster]

is our warriors complain about being meleed

every pull

[copper panther]

That is unreal tank dmg for 4th boss

[waxen oyster]

me when i get asked if i tricks tank on add spawns

yeah but my instant aoe is nothing compared to a warrior’s

gl

[balmy condor]

idk the exact details but the tank mechanic is that it does a dot based on the unmitigated damage from the tank buster, and something something something mitigate 80% but still get obliterated

I think it's a monk thing with stagger but I'm not sure if it's just monk bad

or actual bug

[covert jewel]

fixing warr's threat gen with tricks is hilarious

[keen spruce]

our monk was almost flopping to 2 stacks

3 stacks gg

[balmy condor]

that screenshot is 2 stacks lmao

[keen spruce]

BDK and prot war could float 3 stacks with defensives

[waxen oyster]

i mean even as outlaw you cant

[balmy condor]

and he mitigated 82% of the tank buster

and still got fucking obliterated

lmao

[keen spruce]

so brutal

[covert jewel]

i was actually called out today cuz cba trixing on ovi, not playing ct

[waxen oyster]

I mean

the problem with misdirects

is the classes with them

[royal lantern]

im asking cus like

stagger doesnt work on a bunch kf things this expansion for some reason lol

do a mist key, the dragon inside the maze? its tank buster ignores stagger and just 1hit kills a brewmaster unless they stack every singke deffensive cd they have

[waxen oyster]

dont do enough threat

[royal lantern]

well tested expansion btw

[keen spruce]

monk bugged? impossible

[royal lantern]

wanna know how we did that on a +11?

our warrior taunted and ran away and then melded

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

so the tank doesnt die

cus brewmaster has no deffensives on that enemy

10/10 blizz

[dawn heath]

caustic big dam 😮

[fallen arch]

Shh

Don’t tell anyone

[royal lantern]

grm batol endboss is also a fun one

oh you get a tank buster that 1hit kills you from full hp unless ylu have a STRONG deffensive up

and it knockbacks

oh and also adds spawn wide spread out that kill ylur teammates in 2hits

[copper panther]

I had to make a WA to remind me not the our tricks does much we still had to play MM

[royal lantern]

and they hit you hard aswell

:3

[dawn heath]

our prot warrior

[steel ridge]

absolute unit

[quiet oar]

they got nerfed

by 66%

and

no longer crit

[keen spruce]

[quiet oar]

[royal lantern]

the perfect shoulder-to-head ratio for a warrior

[honest needle]

since im starting to do +10s should i use hybrid build or stick with bleed build

[keen spruce]

hybrid gud

[novel star]

hybrid is already better way below 10s imo

[keen spruce]

hybrid gud for everything

[novel star]

it really depends on your group

[honest needle]

does it actually have good single target cause the bleed build does not

[novel star]

no

rogue does not have good single target

[keen spruce]

it's better

[novel star]

but yes

bleed does make the st worse than it already is

[honest needle]

how much difference is the hybrid compared to bleed for single target

[steel ridge]

atleast threefiddy

[novel star]

not much probably

considering

once again

rogue st is just dogshit no matter what you do

dont build around it

[keen spruce]

hybrid just a better build

[novel star]

just play hybrid

[honest needle]

i run wiht a affliction lock and a demon hunter and all 3 of us suck at single target

[novel star]

if mobs die slower than like 15 seconds

[keen spruce]

your build is not going to fix that problem

[novel star]

hybrid is just better

and yes

for the 3rd time

do not adjust your build for st

it wont matter

[steel ridge]

hybrid is around 10% behind full raid spec

[novel star]

we are dogshit in st even with raid talents

[keen spruce]

it's not relevant to the decision of what build to play

u play hybrid

cuz hybrid is a better buid

[honest needle]

okay ty

[steel ridge]

its not gonna break your dungeon if a boss lives 10 seconds longer

[quiet oar]

Did i play hybrid in my keys

[steel ridge]

[honest needle]

so my issue might be the comp and classes i run with

[novel star]

probably

[keen spruce]

I mean u can do 10s with any comp

[novel star]

^

[honest needle]

i dont think lock and demon hunter is good for me

[keen spruce]

but yeah eventually

[paper heron]

In regards to tea during shiv when it doesn’t overcap energy, do we do this when we have enough energy to last the whole shiv duration? I’m mainly asking in regards to m+ st if raid talents affect things

[keen spruce]

that comp will hit a ceiling

[agile kestrel]

ideally are we wearing 5p or replacing chest with the one from M+

[keen spruce]

very eventually

u replace chest

if your sim tells you to

[agile kestrel]

ye, thought so

[keen spruce]

but that's not somethin to really worry about

for quite a while

[agile kestrel]

I mean i have chest lined up already, just no set gloves, so it's one of those small min/max things

[quiet oar]

Hybrid

[keen spruce]

well it might not be a min/max thing

is my point

until much later

[agile kestrel]

fair

[keen spruce]

but once you're in full myth track and dialing things in

it will likely be the one you drop

[paper heron]

Are you guys talking about the crit mast chest from dg?

[keen spruce]

i'm just talkin about gearing in general

[honest needle]

how often do u guys use tea only during shiv or do u press it outside of shiv as well ?

[runic hinge]

supposed to only press it during shiv

i press it outside cause im stuck in df and as long as you're getting the 100 energy it's like 80% efficient

but you should aim to only press inside shiv

[agile kestrel]

sometimes the boss is just at 3% and you dont wanna pool

[runic hinge]

if the boss is under 5% im hitting every button i got

tea, shiv without kb

anything

[keen spruce]

esc?

[agile kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-pew-gif-14552925

[novel star]

ye

[balmy condor]

yeah if the boss is like 20 seconds from dying you should be sending legit everything you have left

[royal lantern]

the good old "use 2tea at once cus boss is at 3% hp"

[runic hinge]

so true

[balmy condor]

very common mistake to finish a boss with stuff remaining

[keen spruce]

always my biggest leak

[runic hinge]

I'm getting much better about it this tier

[novel star]

quite upset i had to pug aotc on week 3 because the guild i applied to is just that terrible but it is what it is

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

my guild still 4/8 but we raid one night a week and i love them

[novel star]

i dont really have much reason to like or dislike my guild

[keen spruce]

u'd be 5/8 if u didn't show up blacked out this week

[novel star]

because i havent been with them for long

but we spent 2 hours on heroic court because of the most indefensible shit ive ever seen

so

leaning towards dislike

[agile kestrel]

true rogue pov, we just kinda exist, and the guild just accepts us.

[runic hinge]

I was not the one who put the dagger through the raid!

[novel star]

yeah

[naive crane]

5% ovi egg trinket buff, real good no?

[novel star]

probably

[quiet oar]

With my second guild, we got to 7/8 last night in 3 hours

Court was second try

[novel star]

thats how it should be

[quiet oar]

i was surprised

[novel star]

the boss is legit easy

but my rl decided to assign 2 hunters to the rope mechanic

instead of assigning 2 good players

[runic hinge]

[quiet oar]

We did it as tanks

[novel star]

and the hunters are really fucking bad

so

[quiet oar]

Me and the other DH tank

just did it

was easy

[novel star]

wasted 2 hours

[chilly mist]

feels like this

[novel star]

yeah

[quartz osprey]

Anyone got advice for stonevault last boss? I swear tanking him in mid is cursed as melee

[timid vale]

after wiping for an hour i finally caved and did it, set focus to the person and shadowstepped them, ezpz

[novel star]

i mean im not gonna just go in and take the shit when theres people assigned to it

[runic hinge]

Also my average parse was an 86 so I am doing just fine while too drunk to function

[novel star]

that would be worse

[timid vale]

nah they just kept dying so i asked if i could

typical evokers

[novel star]

i didnt care enough to ask

[balmy condor]

can't wait to do this for ansurek

[novel star]

just defeated

waste of fucking time

i have to get out of here

[balmy condor]

if we die in p3 from the circle closing in, we die together

[novel star]

we spent an hour on mythic ulgrax again and kept enraging because we have multiple tank dam dps

[timid vale]

this is love

[novel star]

i think the angle is straight up just leave

i cant take it another week

[balmy condor]

wait ulgrax has an enrage?

[novel star]

yes man

[chilly mist]

Yeah it is, try to premove to leave the dot. Can cloak it too I believe, as a solo melee you should always have uptime on boss so tank should move out for the circles while you remain on boss ideally

[novel star]

fucking somehow

yes

[balmy condor]

how long

[novel star]

10 min or some shit

[balmy condor]

I've seen like 7 minute kills

holy

[covert jewel]

huh

[novel star]

the other rogue

grey parses every fight

[covert jewel]

what u been doing 10 mins there

[novel star]

and ive told him specifically that if he has rotation issues he can dm me and ill answer any question instantly

but he hasnt messaged me once

[balmy condor]

that's like 4 intermissions

[novel star]

YES

IT IS

IM GONNA

[agile kestrel]

dratnos guide video the boss enraged because they had like 4 dead dps

[novel star]

SNAP

[pallid goblet]

i know someone asked a similiar question earlier but i need a bit more clarification on it. do we spam 5+ cp envenoms during kb outside of shiv window?

[novel star]

IN THIS GUILD

[balmy condor]

monka

[keen spruce]

whispyr hasn't been down in the swaps in too long

[balmy condor]

outside of cooldowns you 5+ cp envenom for the buff

[keen spruce]

up there in his ivory tower

bagging sand

[balmy condor]

so you envenom, build cp, then wait for envenom to get to like 1-ish seconds remaining

and envenom again

[agile kestrel]

they thought purple blast wave was dps increase, turns out, it makes them unalive.

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoigaming-borzoi-sand-dog-meme-gif-7540556842493661710

[chilly mist]

Are you talking single shiv? You want to spam envenom during kingsbane regardless

[pallid goblet]

yeah exactly

[agile kestrel]

Doesn't it feel good knowing that your dps ceiling isn't as high, and that you never have to worry about asking for loot in raid?

[novel star]

look at this shit bro @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

yeah any cooldown = spam

kb, shiv, deathmark

[keen spruce]

13% 10 minutes

[runic hinge]

I noticed our other rogue had hybrid talents with CT and iron wire for every fight, I whispered her on like 3rd boss the fatebound raid build and she said "I'll check it out after raid"

[keen spruce]

it's time to go outside at that point

[agile kestrel]

QA ring 1.5% for assa, 3.5% for hunter

[cerulean agate]

hello everyone, can I ask why is double regicide recommended over other weapons that have both crit and mastery on them?(such as crafted daggers)

[balmy condor]

I would look but my eyes already suck

[novel star]

the heroic court kill was 10:52pm and immediately after is when the call was made to go try mythic again

[pallid goblet]

thanks friendly people

[novel star]

somehow we wasted 20+ minutes jerking the fuck off

[balmy condor]

639 > 636

[novel star]

explaining the boss

instead of pulling

i truly cannot understand how it gets this bad

theres nothing to even explain he has no mechanics

sorry im venting

[covert jewel]

i mean why dont u quit at this point

[spring sand]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

cause half the team is pretty legit and im running m+ with some of em

and they havent left yet

[covert jewel]

u describe it as legit worst possible crap

[keen spruce]

If my raid lead can't explain a fight in under 2m he just says "you'll figure it out just pull"

[novel star]

i will follow wherever they go

[keen spruce]

[agile kestrel]

bad tanks on ulga = bad time

[balmy condor]

the logic for assa gearing is 636 crafted with embellish > 639 > 636 crafted > whatever 626 hero track stuff I guess idk

[agile kestrel]

move to right spot, wait for adds to come to you, blow everything up, feed, kill boss

[novel star]

yea

unfortunately im having to take ct

because our fury warrior does ZDPS zdps

and the mobs just arent dead by the time the aoe gets scary

[balmy condor]

you just want to pad aoe for your parse you fucking rat

I see you

nibbling on your cheese

[agile kestrel]

I mean, I didn't get to parse at all in our M Ulga kill, because I was asked to clear webs for the lock gate with cloak on CD

[balmy condor]

ratatouille type shit out here

[novel star]

i literally have to bitch we are wiping to feeding

its bad

[agile kestrel]

meanwhile 3 hunters just chilling with turtle

[novel star]

WHAT PARSE ANYWAY WE CANT KILLLL

[agile kestrel]

it's okay guys, i'll take the grey parse 😂

[novel star]

GRAAAH

[timid vale]

got a point here

[keen spruce]

it's only the 3rd week and the collective mental is already dissolving into tapioca pudding

[agile kestrel]

your wipes look hella good tho i bet

[novel star]

meh

[agile kestrel]

100 parse 75% wipes

monak

[keen spruce]

I woke up at 10am, went flying, then had a lovely twilight round of golf with my friend.

[novel star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793631023400747038/1289833440807620609/SoloInterrobang_-_1839860142050791931_-_GIF_1.gif

[balmy condor]

next thing I know, oli is gonna be making me a soup so good it makes me remember my mother's cooking in my childhood and it causes me to change my ways and realize that there's more to food than fine dining and good cooking can come from anyone

wait a second

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

this means you have to drift deathmark and kingsbane to wait for vanish right? since you press vanish like 8 gcds after deathmark in opener

[novel star]

i cant cook sorry wrong type of gay for that im just useless

[balmy condor]

is the moral of the story from ratatouille and the menu the same

[novel star]

i think the moral of the story from ratatouille is that rats are cool and nice

[balmy condor]

yes

[novel star]

and very friendly

[keen spruce]

hoodie goblin gay or too-pretty-to-cook gay

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-darkkontop-gif-22387625

[novel star]

goblin

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

that sounds like exactly what a rat would say

[novel star]

hehe

https://tenor.com/view/ratto-nazrin-rat-flat-flat-rat-gif-21649436

[keen spruce]

that's a hampter

[coral ibex]

why is he so flat

[keen spruce]

[novel star]

welcom 2 de hydraulic pres chanel

[keen spruce]

hampter get very flat

[coral ibex]

source??

[keen spruce]

hampter also like 30% balls

they randy marshin it 24/7

[balmy condor]

can confirm, when I was little I played with a hampter and flung it over my head like a lasso but it slipped and slammed full force into a wall

that hampter was very flat

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

W lasso hampter

[balmy condor]

I was like 8 shmeeps leave me alone

judging me and shit like you've never murdered a hamster through sheer blunt force drywall impact before

[hearty reef]

Whispyr can you see a spatter reduction to accomodate for ST positive tuning?

[balmy condor]

fucking bigot

[keen spruce]

i ran over a squirrel once cuz someone told me not to swerve if there's an animal in the road cuz you'll crash

[balmy condor]

god I hope so, that's literally what I've been begging for since like july

[keen spruce]

but i was goin like <20mph

and oculda just stopped

but for some reason my brain also put brakes into the "Swerve" category

so i just slowly rolled over it

[pliant terrace]

a fury warrior doing no dps on ulga adds? 🤔 Buddy having trouble finding his bladestorm and odyns fury buttons ?

[novel star]

Ya

idk guild had to rebuild from like no players but gm doesnt seem to want to cut people out and keep recruiting even tho they dont know their rotations

[agile kestrel]

saving them for boss immune phase

[novel star]

so

[balmy condor]

I remember my mom driving me home from school one day and I saw a dead racoon in the street and my mom like swerved but not nearly enough and I was like mom you just drove over the roadkill and she did not break her gaze on the road, deadpan just told me "I was trying to match the tire tracks but I think I was a little left" and we didn't say anything the rest of the ride home

[keen spruce]

i mean i kinda get it tho...

cuz tire part already flat

so less squish

squish bad

[agile kestrel]

dont eff with mom, got it.

[balmy condor]

I think it was more the dopamine of like

there's a groove

tire go in groove

satisfying

[keen spruce]

don't tell stealthi

[onyx sigil]

(sorry for a "stats dont matter" question, but this is confusing me) I've been using hectic add cleave to approximate broodtwister and the sim REALLY likes haste for some reason. does anyone know:

1. why would haste be so good for hectic add cleave with CT and no indiscriminate carnage
2. is this even close enough to broodtwister to reference usefully

[keen spruce]

I don't think we use hectic add cleave

[balmy condor]

hectic add cleave likes haste because it's still inherently a single target fight and haste is good

hectic add cleave is probably the closest you can get to broodtwister to be fair

but closest doesn't mean close

[keen spruce]

i was hoping to be validated by whispyr, but alas, i have been betrayed once again

[balmy condor]

and I think the adds on hectic add cleave generally just last way longer

I haven't looked into hac in a while

but I wanna say maybe 12 second uptime on 6 adds?

for 60% of the fight

or something like that

[keen spruce]

how does the HAC sim compare to your patchwerk sim @onyx sigil

[balmy condor]

so like KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINDA

but not really

so it's like 12 seconds of 6 adds, 8 seconds of nothing, then adds again

which is very much not the cadence of broodtwister

[onyx sigil]

my ST sim in the same spec is crit ~= mastery ~= haste >= vers (stats dont matter)

but the hectic add cleave has me like change rings and regen and enchant for like 3-4% gain

[balmy condor]

are you running CT/sang blades?

[onyx sigil]

not sang blades, yes CT

[balmy condor]

hm

I mean CT will pull haste up

but not that much

[keen spruce]

maybe HAC broken and shmeeps was right

[balmy condor]

I mean HAC is completely unsupported yes

but I can't think of a reason why it would like haste that much

unsupported in the way of like, there might be nonsense that it does that the sim can't account for

but in theory the sims are written in a way where it just works

[keen spruce]

im gonna slap on some multi-hour 40k lore videos and honk shoo

[balmy condor]

I can't really recommend it for gearing decisions though

[keen spruce]

[onyx sigil]

I see. ok, ty

[keen spruce]

should I get duck crocs

i heard they're comfy

[balmy condor]

no

[keen spruce]

never had crocs

[balmy condor]

you should get some bitches

how bout that

[keen spruce]

I'm taking a girl flying next week

[balmy condor]

wait that's crazy work

[keen spruce]

i've never taken a passenger up

maybe we die

[balmy condor]

that would be romantic

[keen spruce]

maybe she get motion sickness and pukes on me

maybe weather bad and I make her wake up at 7am for nothing

[balmy condor]

if you go down make sure you say "KOBE!" when it happens

and then like

pretend you're airballing a 3

[keen spruce]

we're gettin away from the question of what color crocs to get tho

[silver escarp]

None?

Crocs are hideous

[keen spruce]

but i heard they're comfy

i'd probably just wear them around the house

[silver escarp]

I can't even see how they can be comfy tho

[unreal mesa]

Yellow is good - I have blue ones and they are great for around the house and outside

[keen spruce]

so i don't smudge up the hardwood with my stinky bare feet

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

I have grey

[keen spruce]

they don't make these in adult sizes

and i feel attacked

[unreal mesa]

cant you pull those off and stick them on other ones?

[keen spruce]

ok i'm goin to bed

bye bye

[unreal mesa]

night

[static glacier]

quack

[potent raven]

hello fellow bleed lovers

[stark yew]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[charred salmon]

Guys why does Zekvir reset everytime i try and open on him from stealth?

[quiet oar]

do you tricks brann

[charred salmon]

Yh

I cant?

[south prawn]

I send it sometimes if i have a juicy DN proc on a huge pack dunno if thats efficient tho

[raven merlin]

what is that spell?

[quiet oar]

you can

but if you open from stealth and tricks brann

Bosses seem to reset

idk why

You need to tricks him out of stealth

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Should tricks after you open

Brann is in stealth too so it sends the aggro on someone not in combat and bugs out

[charred salmon]

ty

[worldly sail]

fun part, you can pre-tricks as outlaw

but as sin it resets 🙂

[real pike]

Anyone done some clever things with the trinket updates? Has my super sexual skardyn's grace become less valuable?

[smoky sonnet]

is the Darkmoon sigil ascension without the Writhing Band, a lot worse?

[royal lantern]

yes

[vocal minnow]

you could say its half as good

[normal mist]

Exactly

[smoky sonnet]

But if I have a wrist with the dawnthread instead, is it still worth having?

[normal mist]

Either one or the other

You can't have both

[smoky sonnet]

Right

[normal mist]

Band + ascension or 2x dawn

[smoky sonnet]

I got a 619 dagger, but was considering to get another for the dual wield

[vocal minnow]

buddy of mine also has one of each cause he didnt plan ahead. Its not the end of the world

just wait for your 636 upgrades to fix it

[royal lantern]

no

offhand doesnt matter

[smoky sonnet]

I havent created one, i have only created wrist with dawnthread so far, and have an order up for wait

waist*

[vocal minnow]

whats the issue then

[smoky sonnet]

Okay, if offhand doesnt matter, than I stick to the original plan

no its not an issue, its a matter of curiosity and experimentation

i asked a question

[vocal minnow]

other people did the experimentation so you dont have to

[muted ridge]

had same issue on assa, just switched to Sub and can even vanish mid fight. No issues there

[smoky sonnet]

And Im grateful for it!

[cerulean compass]

Hey, I had a quick question, on guides it's marked to keep garrot and rupture up during the fight, if this is AOE, should we keep CT as well ? Or just funnel envenom for the rest of fight ?

[smoky sonnet]

Only thing I didnt know was the offhand irrelevance

[vocal minnow]

its not that its completely irrelevant. its just a "normal" item upgrade without the fat weapon bonus you get from mainhand

so most of the time its better to get something else

[normal mist]

If you have CT you'll want to have it up on 2+ targets as well

[vocal minnow]

if you have it talented and there are >1 targets, yes

[cerulean compass]

Ohhh okay okay, do you guys have an overall to refer for +10 key ? 🤔 I think I miss something in single target then too 🤔

[vocal minnow]

spatter should be top

[cerulean compass]

I got this but I don't remember from who 🤔

[river cipher]

Still waiting for SD to come back to Sin 😦

[vocal minnow]

yeah depends on pulls. If you dont do gigapulls crimson tempest´will be lower

and envenom higher

[cerulean compass]

Hmm ok ok, I'll try to keep it in head I'm going to train on dummy

ty !

[vocal minnow]

most of the time mine looks like this in pugs

where we just pull pack by pack

[brisk plank]

Question for M+ optimal play, when going from pack to pack stealthed, what is preferred opener, ambush or garrote? Is it better to ambush to get mark immediately or would it be better to open with gar and get your garrotes, rupture, caustic maybe even CT up asap and only then hit max cp envenom as you still have darkest night up from the previous pack? Or it doesnt matter much?

[cerulean compass]

Thanks ! I'll try some key to see today

[cerulean compass]

After it's maybe cause of my stats ? Idk if it change a lot ? 🤔

[harsh ingot]

yo is bubbling wax gonna get fixxed or am i gonna have to use money to buy shit

[cerulean compass]

Feels like I should get more crit maybe ?

[vocal minnow]

doesnt matter that much - stats are fine

[cerulean compass]

Okay ! Thanks

[vocal minnow]

just wear what sims best

[cerulean compass]

Yup I should looks to run sims again to my crafts

[chilly mist]

Wouldn't count on it, 99% sure the change to not being able to use it on high ilvl items was the "fix"

[long pagoda]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[near vale]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[clever sapphire]

if the bug would get fixed where you can consume marks whilst having the DN buff up i would say opening with ambush would be better. With that "bug" existing you cant consume any deathstalker stacks anyways until you have cast a 7cp envenom, therefor unless your DN is about to run out i would just opene with gar-rup and so on

personal opinion, didnt look at sims, this seems reasonable to me

[strange python]

rogue is a strong 7-11th raid dps dont give up!

[spring sigil]

Daft question, are their any caps for our stat prioritys as i currently feel i have a little too mich mastery and not enough haste 👀

[clever sapphire]

yes

when the sim tells you to pick the vers/haste item

over the mast/crit item

thats your "cap"

[spring sigil]

Oh im good then yay 😅

[clever sapphire]

(there is no 🧢 )

sim is correct so no need to worry about such a thing as "cap"

[spring sigil]

Im having such bad luck with daggers. Even tried to be a scumbag and raid lead normal and hc making sure im the only rogue 😅

Praying for vault to come through 🙏

[river cipher]

You wanted a cloak?

[clever sapphire]

i have gotten like 5 daggers already from mists and i disenchant it each time cause i dont need them

[river cipher]

Cloak is actually unironically my lowest level piece rn

[clever sapphire]

but my trinket loot luck is a different story

[spring sigil]

Annoyingly the first week raiding on my mage 2 regicides dropped and got transmog rolled 😭

Cloak is also my lowest 😅😅

[clever sapphire]

well thats just karma for not playing rogue smh

[river cipher]

I didnt know treacherous transmitter was rollable by every class. I had not been so dissapointed by a trinket drop in years

[clever sapphire]

i dont even want that trinket, gimme skardyns and i will be happy

[spring sigil]

That the mini game trinket?

I have a 619 skardyns and a 609 sacbrood

[river cipher]

Ye. As I play sub

[clever sapphire]

606 veteran skardyn here

[spring sigil]

Impossible to get into arakara keys unless we have our own tho without god rng

[river cipher]

Skardyns just not dropping for me (I havent been in a Grim Batol since M+ day 1)

[clever sapphire]

that i agree on, i have run 2 arakaras this season because im legit never getting in there

[spring sigil]

Shammy got it in my group and gave me it

The legend

I've done a ++9 arakara and still don't get taken at 613 itlvl 😅

[river cipher]

Half the keys I've done were my own and I stg blizzard just keeps swapping me between mists and stonevault

[spring sigil]

Too many big dps / groups

[clever sapphire]

613 is "low", there are 60 people in queue

you either need to stand out with rio or with ilvl

[spring sigil]

I've had about 100 siege keys

Still no bloody spyglass

I spent my crests pretty poorly too 👀

[river cipher]

I was using a 590 blue til I got sacbrood today

[clever sapphire]

city and necrotic here

[spring sigil]

You get hc sacbrood?

[river cipher]

Yes

[spring sigil]

Jelly 😅

I need to do more city of thread's for dagger

[brisk plank]

My god, i didn't know about that bug 😮 is it bugged like 100% of time or does it sometimes consume marks or just never?

[clever sapphire]

if you have DN you cant consume any marks so no need to put up a mark (afaik it still exists and it never consumes)

may someone smarter correct me if im wrong

[brisk plank]

Im so glad i asked then, i was blindly opening with ambush from pack to pack not even paying attention to consuming marks

[clever sapphire]

i also do that because i dont wanna hit a moment without a mark

[brisk plank]

If thats the case i think its just better to spread bleeds and then go for max cp env

[clever sapphire]

its more of a failsafe for me

[loud hearth]

Ngl, I thought that was just the intended mechanic

[clever sapphire]

i mean we could consume marks before

[maiden sierra]

Trinkets confazzle me, my delve trinket is simming higher than skardyns trinket

[clever sapphire]

then they fixed the bug where you lost your mark if you had DN up and consumed the last DS stack with a 7cp envenom

and with that fix now we cant consume stacks with DN active

[clever sapphire]

sim do be correct

[maiden sierra]

Sims also say that transmitter is bis

[clever sapphire]

it is numbers vise

gameplay is a different story

[maiden sierra]

[clever sapphire]

and i will take my gameplay and like 0.7% dps loss over playing a shitty minigame mid bl aoe pull in a +12 or whatever

[maiden sierra]

The only explenation for why my delve trinket sims so high is prob because i have 12k mastery base

[clever sapphire]

what trinket is it?

and whats your skardyn ilvl

[maiden sierra]

The serum one

[clever sapphire]

eh just send the sim

[maiden sierra]

Dont have it on me, did sims yesterday at home, at uni now

[clever sapphire]

i mean if serum is higher ilvl than skardyn its probably gonna outsim it

BUT serum is a 1.5sec channel

[maiden sierra]

I just did droptimizers for heroic skardyns vs heroic serum, serum 2k more dps at same ilvl

[normal mist]

Cast time

[maiden sierra]

Yeah its a bit aids

[clever sapphire]

aight im also simming it, 5 min patchwerk

lets see

[maiden sierra]

Thats why i want skardyns to sim higher

[clever sapphire]

okay hear me out

you are doing what, 1M dps?

take 2k out of that

[maiden sierra]

1.160m

[clever sapphire]

now you are doing 998k dps

are you reaaaaally gonna bother with that 2k dps

[maiden sierra]

Yes

[clever sapphire]

that you could just get back with a lucky kb proc

or whatever crit proc

XD

[maiden sierra]

Any dps upgrade matters progging mythic

How else am i supposed to sim higher than my 0 parse on mythic rashanan?

(I hate my life)

[clever sapphire]

so ye its 3.8k dps higher than my 606 skardyn

but i cant macro it

and i would have to get it out of a delve

[steel ridge]

well, your gear seems to be utter shit anyway

[clever sapphire]

2 things i refuse to do

[maiden sierra]

You can macro it, just have to press the macro twice

[clever sapphire]

i simmed without raidbuffs/bl and in the hybrid build

but ye i got garbo trinkets

[steel ridge]

people are so sim-drunk