envenom and rupture buff, spatter at 30%
#assassination
hearty reef
dire slate
5 ruptures is usually enough
Perfect. I've come along way since the tips from here. The only struggle is the envenom buff. So hard to keep it up at the same time as being over 50% energy...
abstract parrot
I have 4 gem slots, do I put Critic and Mastery, or do I put one gem of each color?
vocal minnow
sim
abstract parrot
I have 4 gem slots, do I put Critic and Mastery, or do I put one gem of each col...
I have tried to use the sim, but I don't know which would be the correct section.
atomic shadow
Hey i had this issue at the start of the season - i used to have /startattack macros for all my core skills, since it used to be recommended - these were my autoattack culprit. just delete the line
grim vigil
is it bad to have embelishment on cloak? because of rasha naan avoidance cloak?
haughty lantern
ambush --> garrote --> rupture --> more rupture --> more garrote to reapply silence/spread dots --> FoK to generate points --> CT --> go ham on spatter/marked target
normal mist
is it bad to have embelishment on cloak? because of rasha naan avoidance cloak?
its only bad if you ever got the cloak
grim vigil
its only bad if you ever got the cloak
i did get it but its champtions track, and all other pieces are hero + so its the only low ilvl option atm. Until i see that boss in mythic its probably 1-2 months
rose wharf
Hey which ability is giving me CP back in the Opener after Garrote - Rupture- SMH refreshed CP ?
grim vigil
Hey which ability is giving me CP back in the Opener after Garrote - Rupture- SM...
dont know exactly what you mean but check "serrated bone spikes" talent. 3rd last row on the right
deep wave
anyone knows why ive done 2 heroic parses and they got deleted 10 mins later?
like theyre no longer on the site
rose wharf
dont know exactly what you mean but check "serrated bone spikes" talent. 3rd las...
Thansk thats probably it. I searched so much but didn't figured it could be that
vivid crown
Thansk thats probably it. I searched so much but didn't figured it could be that
if by BP you mean CP, it's serrated bone spikes
rose wharf
yeah CP, i had a typo thanks for pointing it out!
rose dirge
im going into brood prog soon, swapping from sub to assa
you go full st talents on brood right? with just CS?
I see some people go CT but it seems like grief
tired gull
you can go thrown precision and dashing scoundrel to help with boss funnel
open socket
Having trouble finding an answer via wowhead or the handful of guides that ive sought out. When we don't have Darkest Night proc, am I only caring about finishers at 5-7 just to proc the mark? or should i still to go 6-7cp finishers.
tropic obsidian
I’m bored of healing what’s better and more fun dk or rogue mainly for keys
grim jay
I’m bored of healing what’s better and more fun dk or rogue mainly for keys
whatever you enjoy more is more fun
grim jay
aint noone there that can tell you what you enjoy
bitter jetty
I’m bored of healing what’s better and more fun dk or rogue mainly for keys
Bro go dragon. Dragons cool
solar orbit
Do we have any news on the wax thing? Is it intended?
faint path
I got bounty map do I need key for that? because I dont have any or I just need to do bountiful 8 and extra loot drop hero?
solar orbit
You don't
grim jay
Having trouble finding an answer via wowhead or the handful of guides that ive s...
its literally in the priority part of the roration section (wowhead guide) tho
main plover
is taking ethereal cloak still bugged giving flesing knife proc to mutilate?
coral ibex
oh wow i was doing the pooling wrong, i thought you were supposed to pool while you have the capstone and then spam envenoms when you have the mark applied to fully consume it
main plover
are you all typically beating ret pallies in overall?
equal roughly in +10s/11s
grim jay
oh wow i was doing the pooling wrong, i thought you were supposed to pool while ...
pooling has entirely nothing to do with the mark, except that you dont pool if you have to apply dn
eager tree
same
grim jay
are you all typically beating ret pallies in overall?
ye like not even close
tall atlas
eager tree
ye like not even close
what key levels?
grim jay
what key levels?
10 and 11
coral ibex
pooling has entirely nothing to do with the mark, except that you dont pool if y...
the prio list seems to say that you shouldn't play for envenom uptime with the capstone and to play for uptime when you don't tho
isnt that what this says
grim jay
the prio list seems to say that you shouldn't play for envenom uptime with the c...
ye but you always play for uptime unless you have the capstone
coral ibex
you want to consume darkest night regardless of envenom timer?
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
eager tree
same, i'm spreading garrotes in IC, getting 5 ruptures out, crimson tempesting, CSing then DM->KB and shoving envenoms into the CS target. i win on several pulls but lose overall by a % point or 2. i'm 619 and the ret pally i run with is 622 but its close enough
tired gull
you want to consume darkest night regardless of envenom timer?
yeah you want mark up as much as possible, so when you have DN, proc it asap
grim jay
same, i'm spreading garrotes in IC, getting 5 ruptures out, crimson tempesting, ...
its always difficult to say but I usually am atleast 200-300k ahead of whatever else is in the key
coral ibex
yea i just had it backwards
i thought you wanted to consume the 3 stacks asap
regardless of envenom timer
eager tree
its always difficult to say but I usually am atleast 200-300k ahead of whatever ...
are you davyn ig? interested to compare our logs to see where we're differing
i feel like my envenom dmg is probably low
grim jay
no I dont have any logs of dungeons either
I pretty much only do what whispyr has in his m+ guide either way tho
I dont even target swap for applying dots
no shenanigans
balmy condor
You can do it if you want
tired gull
regardless of envenom timer
ahhh yeah, when mark is up, you just play the normal envenom uptime rules, when DN is up, you want to consume it as fast as you can
spice spire
It’s so much work for basic shit man
waxen oyster
if you see something about to melee you
if it works great
if it doesnt, healer mechanic
spice spire
Captain charge in siege is kinda wonky
faint path
Fuck map :/
thorn slate
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
haughty lantern
Fuck map :/
potent gorge
Hello all, is there a world where today we don't use the 4P over higher ilvl or better off set pieces?
haughty lantern
yeah try the reality 3 dimensions over
potent gorge
Nevermind was looking the info in the BiS chapter but all was in the New Tier Set chapter ^^
stable hamlet
its only me or assa sucks on single target?
hexed frost
Outlaw is fun tho
Say sikes
hexed frost
as 614 ilvl i cant go more than 600 k dps in a 10
Skill issue I guess 
spice spire
That’s very low
viscid kelp
Sounds like it
spice spire
For 614
hexed frost
Seriously, popping CDs and pots and rotation?
stable hamlet
dude my sim is 700 k on single target
how can u do more dps than ur sim
=))
i mean....
pure moth
Outlaw is fun tho
Words that should never be written here
spice spire
You’re not doing the bleed build are you.
spice spire
Words that should never be written here
Tell them ‼️
pure moth
Tell them ‼️
Delete the law
stable hamlet
its the build that u find it out on every guide on internet name it,method,archon,murlock
hexed frost
Is the book of shadows updated for this expansion?
static glacier
what's the play on ovi, do we just delay cd timers so they don't line up with pre-spreads
or gamble and stay on boss during kb
spice spire
Is the book of shadows updated for this expansion?
No, too much work.
waxen oyster
wtf is book of shadows
hexed frost
No, too much work.
It's soooo over 
spice spire
wtf is book of shadows
Used to be a book that could tell you what defensives worked on every move
waxen oyster
Used to be a book that could tell you what defensives worked on every move
oh i have this funny method called
litmus testing
spice spire
its the build that u find it out on every guide on internet name it,method,arch...
Just ran mine at 5 ilvl under and was about 20k ahead
waxen oyster
if it procs your cheat or not
static glacier
also does anyone know if you can pre-vanish ovi root?
spice spire
if it procs your cheat or not
spice spire
Just ran mine at 5 ilvl under and was about 20k ahead
Addendum build is right not sure why yours is so low. My weapon is dogshit
But yeah
haughty lantern
cheat death is a dps cd
by that logic so is evasion
haughty lantern
allows you to stand in dumb shit while still doing dps
stable hamlet
i didnt used any buffs on that sim,if u used optimal raid buffs thats smth else
stable hamlet
i did had them yes
mystic kettle
Hey guys, this might be a stupid question. Do I put the same enchant on both daggers?
spice spire
Hey guys, this might be a stupid question. Do I put the same enchant on both dag...
Yeah that’s fine
Doubles procs
Good stuff
mystic kettle
Okay thanks
tawny geyser
How to play Mandate trinket correctly in opener?
Pre pull or what? Or during Envenom pandemic pooling when we have nothing else to do?
spice spire
What’s your other trinket
tawny geyser
Spyglass/Sacbrood.
Still farming Skardyn
spice spire
Ahh you just cast it whenever
It’s worth as a second on cast
Because it’s agnostic
It doesn’t get gains or anything
It just does a ruck ton or damage
So you skardyns on dm window
waxen oyster
by that logic so is evasion
it is
tawny geyser
yeah figured, so far I use it after I pop all cds and then during pooling i send the trinket
haughty lantern
mfw sin rogue’s ranged attack (knife throw) has more range than outlaw’s ranged attack (pistol shot/between the eyes)
and the reasoning is because “flintlocks were inaccurate”
as if we don’t have the goblin/gnomish technology to add a bore to our guns
waxen oyster
i used to evasion as outlaw just to box spitefuls
spice spire
Works
thorn fjord
Worms
haughty lantern
NEVER DOUBT THE WORM
thorn fjord
waxen oyster
so with 5 ilvl lower u had +20 k dps
no enchants
haughty lantern
no bread
still moat
How much comfort haste in raid?
waxen oyster
haste doesnt change anything
spice spire
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
spice spire
violet jackal
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
sour citrus
!talent
solar orbit
I've done a couple more of delves at T8, yet I'm not upgrading the last vault, anyone has an idea why?
spring moat
do more t8
solar orbit
Oh... I need to do 8??
spice spire
For your third slot
spring moat
did a 9 and barely a 10 yesterday.. fk that lol
solar orbit
smh the damn text only says to complete a tier 2 or higher, didn't know I had to run 8 t8
thorn fjord
Queens mandate tomorrow plz
spring moat
ring
thorn fjord
Got ring this week
spring moat
i got jeweler settings doing nothing in bag
thorn fjord
In spider bussy we trust 
spring moat
been splitting my time after filling vault and guild raid.. doing cata classic.. gonna have some returning raiders smash face on heroic ragnaros lmao
hot pasture
spring moat
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
warped belfry
How do-able is zakvir on ?? as assassin?
cosmic mica
recently started playing with DS hero talents in M+, feels more fluid. Is there a world where we would take Vicious Venoms for the increased mutilate damage?
faint path
why not letting me ?
cosmic mica
capped?
thorn fjord
Think outside sources dont take weekly cap into consideration tho
pure moth
why not letting me ?
Do you have 90 of the ones you need to change it to runed?
It's showing red which would mean you don't have enough I think
keen spruce
trade up still adheres to the cap
subtle tundra
Think outside sources dont take weekly cap into consideration tho
they do when its trade up
otherwise people would use normal to get hc
hc to mythic
past the cap
its not the possibility
faint path
Do you have 90 of the ones you need to change it to runed?
I have all capped
grim vigil
is it bad to craft shoulders?
normal mist
Its a tier slot
keen spruce
I have all capped
can't trade up over the cap
normal mist
Overall, at high lvl, you want to use everything but chest
keen spruce
it's just used to recycle lower crests to save some farming time
grim vigil
Overall, at high lvl, you want to use everything but chest
why not the chest?
spring moat
dudes.. uploaded a test log.. and it shows people not in my group.. on the target dummy.. lol.. any idea why?
spring moat
hmm. ok then lol
west bay
Do you guys use specidic Plater elements to help track bleeds in aoe?
steep gust
For Ceverion's plater profile, is there a way to make the pandemic timer for rupture and garrote highlight the icon with a thicker border or something?
severe sparrow
i have all debuffs except my bleeds blacklisted on plater, and i have ghost auras or whatever the hell plater calls em for those
safe shale
If im playing sanguine in raid, do i want to try and stay around 200 energy unless shiv window?
spice spire
Under 150
severe sparrow
i havent used cev's plater but if it has a border already you can find it in the uhhh, scripts? and change the thickness in there
steep gust
i havent used cev's plater but if it has a border already you can find it in the...
oh its supposed to have a glow to it... wonder why its not working hmm
severe sparrow
if there's something else that also adds border effects they might not be playing well together
spice spire
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
steep gust
if there's something else that also adds border effects they might not be playin...
im guessing this
spice spire
Weird troll
limber lion
I asked about sanguine lol
Might wanna read what it says
spice spire
Stay under 50%
safe shale
Yes, if you use vv
severe sparrow
im guessing this
im not at my computer but this is the one i have that gives me pandemic glow, but it's just an outline not a glow
limber lion
No
safe shale
It literally says ST play vv not sanguine
spice spire
Yeah anecdotally
safe shale
Am I trippin
grim vigil
just the least desirable stats
what item would you craft with this gear :S
spice spire
I beg
limber lion
As Deathstalker you always stay below 50%
safe shale
Lemme re read ahha
limber lion
regardless of what talents you play
grim vigil
limber lion
It just emphasizes that it uses VV on ST
severe sparrow
i think belt and wrists are the suggested craft?
im at work and too lazy to double cnfirm that
keen spruce
what item would you craft with this gear :S
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
safe shale
Okay,
keen spruce
Probably rings?
keen spruce
<@119274470241206273> https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/bl...
probably rings? i'd sim all of the craftable gear and see what the robot likes best
spice spire
We found the line 
limber lion
Get filtered
steep gust
im not at my computer but this is the one i have that gives me pandemic glow, bu...
yeah i see it in the scripts but its weird that it doesnt add the border or add the glow
spice spire
Damn I missed it
limber lion
Anyways, yes in an ideal world you would try to stay above 50% but that is not how the game works
safe shale
It says above 50%?
spice spire
above 50
limber lion
We currently avoid Sanguine Blades interaction outside of cooldowns
spice spire
It takes energy
hollow pier
Yea u don't want it to take energy
limber lion
And only get the effect during cds when we go above 50%
severe sparrow
yeah i see it in the scripts but its weird that it doesnt add the border or add ...
try turning one of them off so you only have 1 on?
spice spire
And means less envenom
safe shale
50%%%%%%%%%
limber lion
We want to stay under 50% because it eats your energy
safe shale
We currently *avoid* Sanguine Blades interaction outside of cooldowns
Thanks, that answeers
limber lion
And it's not worth it for Sang to eat our energy outside of cds
Even with only getting value during cds, it still performs better than some other talents
especially when you introduce multiple targets
safe shale
Thats what i wasnt understanding, as SG suggests to play above 50%
hard river
[Read About Pooling](<https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/...
there's a formatting trick to remove this space, should I do it
limber lion
there's a formatting trick to remove this space, should I do it
I think it looks better with the space personally
hard river
that's why i hesitated yea
safe shale
So how come higher sims are playing SG on ST and not VV?
limber lion
What tilts me however are the uncapitalized spell names
like sanguine blades and envenom
Fatebound and Deathstalker are capitalized
but Envenom and Sang aren't
hard river
ah yes unforgivable
spice spire
So how come higher sims are playing SG on ST and not VV?
4th pin
limber lion
Nevermind
It sometimes is
Even better
Maintain max uptime on envenom
For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore
limber lion
Actually demonic
limber lion
Well it talks about the bug
But the bug has been fixed
The first big bolded line right there
Should probably unpin it
limber lion
What is SG
limber lion
Sanguine Glaives?
safe shale
Sanguine
limber lion
Sanguine Grandma?
hard river
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
limber lion
What's the G
severe sparrow
what do you mean how it works though
runic hinge
Guine
spice spire
Also nothing to really learn
safe shale
what do you mean how it works though
When do we get value from it?
limber lion
Did I not explain it 3 times already?
During cds
..................................................................................................................................
hollow pier
Lots of poisons and bleed out or during exang
safe shale
It gets lost
limber lion
You literally replied to me
saying that you understand now
And 2 minutes later you say you don't
which one is it
safe shale
Yeah im trippin
limber lion
Damn the 180
spice spire
limber lion
Get sniped
severe sparrow
it eats energy above 50% to do a lil more damage but the lil more damage is sometimes the best option but sometimes youd be better off spending it on envenoms, but that's probs gonna depend on the fight and the pull and
slate crown
🥔
safe shale
i put % and you correcrted to to 50 energy xD
spice spire
I also gave you the actual factual number
limber lion
What if someone doesn't want to play Vigor
spice spire
I just typed it the same time
spice spire
are there people who dont play vigor?
He’s being facetious
limber lion
are there people who dont play vigor?
There's people playing Without a Trace
So.. you never know
lyric grail
guys is it possible if i have 1/2 nexus dagger and now the 2nd one drop that i can roll need on it?
limber lion
Enha obviously
spice spire
guys is it possible if i have 1/2 nexus dagger and now the 2nd one drop that i c...
If you don’t have another rogue sure.
Even if you do it’s kind of whatever
uncut ermine
what if the coin flip noise brings me dopamine even tho fatebound isnt as good
then what
lyric grail
not if people ninja roll
spice spire
If it’s a pug just need
cosmic mica
[Read About Pooling](<https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/...
is this also is true for M+? vicious venoms seems stronk with DS
spice spire
You don’t owe anyone anything
limber lion
No VV is terrible outside of ST
wild hound
So is it worth letting envenom drop off to pool energy before CDs? How much energy do we wanna pool to before envenom into DM (assuming we've got tea stacks ready)?
steep gust
try turning one of them off so you only have 1 on?
figured it out... looks like the triggers were empty for garrote and rupture... not sure if something got screwed copying cev's profile from wago got screwed up or if its just missing but all good now. Thanks for the assist
limber lion
Ah yeah, the issue is that Plater got updated
And they added the trigger-functionality in a recent big patch
steep gust
Ah yeah, the issue is that Plater got updated
ah ok
limber lion
I've had to manually add triggers for everything
Good shout, gotta fix all of those one day
limber lion
So is it worth letting envenom drop off to pool energy before CDs? How much ener...
We don't really need to pool energy before cds and it's completely fine to let Envenom drop here and there.
steep gust
Good to know - going to update my triggers for feral as well. Cool profile
brisk path
what is better? arakara + bottled toxin or scroll + bottled toxin?
wild hound
We don't really need to pool energy before cds and it's completely fine to let E...
Alright cool, thanks!
thorn fjord
You don’t owe anyone anything
I owe you my heart
spice spire
what is better? arakara + bottled toxin or scroll + bottled toxin?
Whichever sims better 
spice spire
I owe you my heart
Babe?
thorn fjord
steep gust
lol yeah sorry - didnt know if it was ok to @ cev
severe sparrow
tbh i just slam buttons and toggles in that shit till it does the thing i mean it to
spice spire
Cev is so fucking nice.
If you’re like messaging him daily for something he probably won’t be so receptive
brisk path
Whichever sims better <a:gigarat:1104125426965680128>
bottled + scroll sims better, but idk if sims accounts for ara eggs
thorn fjord
Cev is a qt pie
spice spire
Nah they’re nice if you’re a shot head too
thorn fjord
The key is to know how to navigate the passive aggression
severe sparrow
i def tried to tell whispyr his plater was broken once and it wasnt
i just couldnt read
obtuse nova
tier set
severe sparrow
he was nice about it
limber lion
Cev is so fucking nice.
If you’re like messaging him daily for something he prob...
That would normally be true, but that's exactly what Fotmrogue did and now I'm in his guild idk the man is too powerful
waxen oyster
pretty minor but something>nothing
severe sparrow
i still have 0 pieces of tier cuz i wont catalyst till i have 2
severe sparrow
and i have recieved 0 as drops
limber lion
Also, I would always answer if you called
spice spire
I bully the man
limber lion
👩❤️💋👨
spice spire
thorn fjord
Fotm is high key another qt
waxen oyster
fotm rogue?
thorn fjord
yeah
waxen oyster
what is this? bfa?
limber lion
Careful not to glaze him too hard
thorn fjord
@limber lion was one of the first people I interacted with in RH though... years ago
THE HOMIE
limber lion
spice spire
Careful not to glaze him too hard
I’d never
limber lion
Shadowlands was 4 years ago
spice spire
Gotta keep that mfs ego in check
limber lion
fuck man
limber lion
Gotta keep that mfs ego in check
Absolutely
spice spire
Plus he has all the Milo pics 
limber lion
honestly agree
limber lion
I just hate that danjon :(
spice spire
I actually like siege.
I’m mentally Ill tho
thorn fjord
Siege really isnt too bad
spice spire
NW is chill. Until the boss gauntlet
waxen oyster
somehow no brick despite pulling gatekeepers in pug
thorn fjord
if the tank knows whats up and people arent just standing in shit its a vibe
split veldt
do the double color gems work toward the culminating gem?
waxen oyster
on 3rd boss
spice spire
aint no way
cinder steppe
do you guys play crimson tempest on ulgrax mythic?
noble pollen
i hate deathstalker mark
uncut ermine
all my homies hate DM
regal cloud
For +9 you need 2x rank1 from previous ssn, 639 ilvl and 3k Rio from this ssn 
coral ibex
true…
terse urchin
and 1 mill gold per participant to bribe for invite
limber lion
what ilvl would you say is reasonable to be completing +9 keys
600 ilvl is fine
stray breach
Hey guys, new to the channel. I've got a problem. Im simming between 3 Trinkets rn, queens mandate, skardyns and sacbrood. Sim is telling me to use sacbrood and queens on same ilvl. hence i dont have anything for my cds... why is skardyns simming so low? like 20k dps less
limber lion
Link the sim, let's see
limber lion
It sims the same
It's literally within margin
Yeah Mandate + Skardyn's is a bit broken
Double on-use is a bit scuffed with Mandate
thorn fjord
FOR THE QUEEN
balmy condor
No don’t tell me mandate is broken again what the fuck
stray breach
but isnt it telling me to equip sacbrood and queen?
spice spire
My question is
limber lion
but isnt it telling me to equip sacbrood and queen?
Yeah but Skardyn is within margin, so basically the same dps
spice spire
Why is sac queen 5k more than queen sac
stray breach
ahk
tacit otter
Why is sac queen 5k more than queen sac
ilvl diff
limber lion
No don’t tell me mandate is broken again what the fuck
Nah sim looks fine to me
thorn fjord
Why is sac queen 5k more than queen sac
its the bussy
spice spire
Granted
balmy condor
Wait
tacit otter
It’s the same set of trinkets
isnt one 619 and one 626?
balmy condor
Hold on
limber lion
Here's a quicky
balmy condor
limber lion
Oh yeh
spice spire
Oh
balmy condor
The original sim is from the stone ages lmao
spice spire
Saved
limber lion
Mandate + Skardyn will be the top choice
spice spire
Mandate from weekly 
nimble tartan
whats better latest or nightly
limber lion
As you can see from my quick sim
thorn fjord
Thought Nightly was the usual way to go
limber lion
Thought Nightly was the usual way to go
We used Nightly until Latest was introduced
limber lion
And changed to latest the second it was added
stray breach
ty for the help
spice spire
Live on the edge
Never edged a day in my life
severe sparrow
Edging for a day would be wild tbf
balmy condor
Yeah always use latest
spice spire
Buddy whispyr has been edging for skardyns for weeks.
Man is constructed in an unfamiliar manner
nimble tartan
i cant believe we used to have daggers called edge all night
spice spire
Real
waxen oyster
Skardyn where
severe sparrow
Don't bring me back to those times
pliant remnant
SKARDYN?
runic hinge
Charge your phone
pliant remnant
severe sparrow
Didn't get an edge till 2 weeks before the end of fated season
spice spire
Can’t wait until 11.1 when we get sod raiding timewalking
balmy condor
Charge your phone
I will when I stream lmao
waxen oyster
dont we get timewalking blackrock depths
severe sparrow
I thought they nerfed the tw shit, or am i tripping
waxen oyster
They're making the content scale up to you
spice spire
Should have said 12.1
waxen oyster
and not you down to the content
spice spire
waxen oyster
which is kind of wack
split veldt
am i crazy for wanting to use the move speed gem
spice spire
I’m a fan 
waxen oyster
no more bfa neck abuse
spice spire
You’re sweating too hard in old content 
severe sparrow
I missed all the xpacs with exploitable equips anyway
indigo ginkgo
its only me or did they change the ironclaw whetstone, from 2h to 1h ?
vital ermine
hey yall. When should you start popping thistle? I see logs for some top parsers popping thistle just shortly after popping kingsbane
brazen cave
hows assa to play? fun? never tried it but considering testing out rouge but dunno what spec
vital ermine
i know for outlaw, the soft rule was if your energy is at 50 or lower, you pop thistle
limber lion
hey yall. When should you start popping thistle? I see logs for some top parsers...
You use one in the opener to get it on cooldown
vital ermine
ah interesting
limber lion
After that you follow 3 rules:
- You don't have tea up already
- You're in Shiv
- You get maximum energy from it,.
So you want a 100 energy deficit and you want to use it during cds
severe sparrow
Is it still on lisonna's kb bar thing?
I like looking at that
I can't read numbers
vital ermine
when you say shiv window, you mean during kingsbane?
limber lion
No
During Shiv
But yes, if you play double shiv with KB, those would line up naturally
vital ermine
there's a shiv window? lol
limber lion
is the shiv window
balmy condor
shiv is an 8 second debuff
severe sparrow
I was gonna say it doesn't interact w kb these days but I'm usually shivving in kb 
subtle tundra
meowmeowmeow
shy pecan
hows assa to play? fun? never tried it but considering testing out rouge but dun...
For sin, it’s like boomie but instead of dotting for mastery, you dot some and use it for energy gains. Also you’ll have downtimes.
severe sparrow
Fair enough tho you are correct
balmy condor
I was gonna say it doesn't interact w kb these days but I'm usually shivving in ...
separate the two
cause in m+ you shiv without kb for example
stop thinking about kingsbane
spice spire
For sin, it’s like boomie but instead of dotting for mastery, you dot some and u...
Boomie speak in chat
vital ermine
i downloaded a weakaura for kb progress tracking and saw a ticker to shiv at a certain time in kb window. i thought you were referrign to that
severe sparrow
I hate keys so i pretend they don't exist
shy pecan
Boomie speak in chat
Quiet you
brazen cave
For sin, it’s like boomie but instead of dotting for mastery, you dot some and u...
so its like boomy?
but without downtime
severe sparrow
But yes
balmy condor
i downloaded a weakaura for kb progress tracking and saw a ticker to shiv at a c...
that shiv also isn't a certain time in kb window, it's just when the first shiv drops off
shy pecan
but without downtime
You’ll have downtime in between CDs. Just like bleed and envenom maintenance
brazen cave
dunno what those are ive never played this yet
shy pecan
They’re dots and buff uptime
hearty reef
whuspyr do you ever see a spatter reducton to like 35%?
brazen cave
mh ill consider lvling one
vital ermine
i'm like 3 days in new with assassination. Sorry if i'm asking noob questions. i read the pinned messages and read your guide best i could
indigo ginkgo
can you see with your ironclaw whetstone, are 1h instead of 2h like yesterday !?
limber lion
i'm like 3 days in new with assassination. Sorry if i'm asking noob questions. i...
It's okay
vital ermine
I'm reading the shiv spell description and i don't see an 8 second debuff
limber lion
Read the talents that you're spec'd into
tired gull
vital ermine
ahhh okay ty
torpid sparrow
am i blind or the bleed spe isnt on wowhead guide anymore?cant decide what to play on queen hm
vital ermine
so after shive and kb, that window to spam as many envenoms as i can is what gives me my dmg right?
boreal lichen
how good is the trinket mistcaller Ocarina in mythik+ ? does raid bot sim it for grp or just solo ?
vital ermine
is there a portion in the wowhead that explains the thistle tea timing as you said earlier? I am trying to understand it
limber lion
is there a portion in the wowhead that explains the thistle tea timing as you s...
There is nothing else to understand
That's all there is to it
shy pecan
mh ill consider lvling one
It’s definitely different than boomie since you can get some good damage in AoE without having CDs
slim pebble
!pooling
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TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
brazen cave
It’s definitely different than boomie since you can get some good damage in AoE ...
my boomy kinda blasting tbh
shy pecan
my boomy kinda blasting tbh
Don’t admit that that you’re playing boomie in here 
fading wraith
Anyone know if you can get poisoned pact ring from vault if you only done 4/8 on heroic?
brazen cave
Don’t admit that that you’re playing boomie in here <:Smile:1215068700781182976>
i mean uh i play feral? whats wrong with boomy im new here
subtle kettle
Anyone know if you can get poisoned pact ring from vault if you only done 4/8 on...
You can’t loot it in heroic slots but you can in normal slots assuming 8/8n
shy pecan
i mean uh i play feral? whats wrong with boomy im new here
They hate boomies (see quake’s comment towards me)
runic hinge
I will when I stream lmao
Stream today 
waxen oyster
Anyone know if you can get poisoned pact ring from vault if you only done 4/8 on...
is one of the 4 ansurek
brazen cave
They hate boomies (see quake’s comment towards me)
but whyy
fading wraith
is one of the 4 ansurek
Nah, I just pug the first four then peace out . Guessing not then
waxen oyster
Then no
spice surge
You need to have killed the boss that drops the item for it to appear in your vault, but the earlier bosses' loot get unlocked by later bosses as well
So if youve only ever killed the first 4, youre not gonna be able to see ansurek ring
arctic socket
i mean uh i play feral? whats wrong with boomy im new here
Boomy is very underperforming
brazen cave
Boomy is very underperforming
nah boomy is baller in keys rn
shy pecan
When boomies are hitting like 80 million starfires…
brazen cave
yeah i dunno boomies have been coping since expansion release but im doing well and see other doing well too, maybe not in single target but in aoe atlesat
shy pecan
split willow
!sims
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solar orbit
Are you guys crafting gear with sparks even if its not 636?
runic hinge
I haven’t. (I wouldn’t ever invite one to my key)
shy pecan
I haven’t. (I wouldn’t ever invite one to my key)
Guess we’re never playing together
runic hinge
Unlucky
shy pecan
Are you guys crafting gear with sparks even if its not 636?
I’m not doing anything less than 636. Minus the 619 I got from the free crest
runic hinge
I actually only did 3 keys this week. I should probably run another when I get home from work at least
Playing very casually rn
thorn fjord
What time you getting home
subtle tundra
if you have items to use gilded crests on, you can craft 1 619 for embellishment
runic hinge
Idk. Gonna ask to leave early
solar orbit
I’m not doing anything less than 636. Minus the 619 I got from the free crest
getting the 90 gilded is harsh...
thorn fjord
Hmu I can help bb
thorn fjord
oof nm
runic hinge
lol
thorn fjord
lmao
runic hinge
If I get out early it might be like 10:30
shy pecan
RIP
thorn fjord
If I get out early it might be like 10:30
This i can def do.. Im usually on till about 2am est
shy pecan
getting the 90 gilded is harsh...
I mean if you need the upgrade, go for it. I’m not because mats are expensive
runic hinge
I’m supposed to be at work rn but we’re 15 minutes away still. 
thorn fjord
I mean if you need the upgrade, go for it. I’m not because mats are expensive
180 crests right now is WORK
only have 80 right now lol
shy pecan
Yeah I’m around the same boat
dawn heath
is sacbrood decent on assa?
thorn fjord
Will be much easier after reset
royal iron
!wa
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shy pecan
Oh, affix is happening. Oh, boss is going to the middle with the explosive box. Cool.
thorn fjord
Affix on last boss of siege was good times
thorn fjord
Them just going straight to the middle of the lake
hushed elbow
timber meadow
40 +9/10 grims... 35 timed, 5 untimed but the search is over - trinket acquired and enough boots/cloaks/rings to gear up 2 other rogues - fuck that place
winged basin
are the roots on heroic ansurek that bad? that they need insta removed?... my guild posted a list of ways our class can break root insta, and ill be goddamned if they will catch me using vanish to break the root unless it is an absolute necessity?..
waxen oyster
they just die to cleave
winged basin
bruh that is what I was thinking, caustic is gonna RIP through them
vale lantern
Our guild just stands on our warrior
novel star
This weeks affix was aids
weekly affix on arakara 2nd boss
wp blizzard
tested as fuck
kappa
novel star
i don’t hate it on fights where u actually have movement freedom
willow cloud
We should all agree, on average, this affix was much better than most of the older affixes though
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth
waxen oyster
just play better man
last week we let a flamebender in grim batol get 100% haste
fastest frontal in the west
novel star
lmao
royal lantern
fastest frontal in the west
i like the invisible lavabender frontals
waxen oyster
We should all agree, on average, this affix was much better than most of the old...
no
delete this nephew
novel star
i like the invisible lavabender frontals
waxen oyster
i like pug groups who just
thorn fjord
We should all agree, on average, this affix was much better than most of the old...
CAP as fuck bro
novel star
telegraph rendering in the last 0.3s of the cast
my bad for not reacting man
i’ll lock in next time
stable cove
so after kb windows, is it normal to just auto attack for 3-4 sec to maintain above 150 energy and just keep up envenom?
novel star
uhh
to maintain envenom and not clip the buff yes
if you’re playing sanguine blades + deathstalker energy is the opposite though
you wanna avoid 150 so you get more envenoms
but yeah
multiple seconds of not pressing buttons is the assassination rogue
strange python
What trinkets are bis for m ovinax? seeing a lot of sacks but sack not simming well for me
i have brood, spyglass, emitter, and void reapers
626
novel star
whatever the robot tells you is good
strange python
ye but the robot is not perfect for ovinax
novel star
well think for yourself a little
stable cove
if you’re playing sanguine blades + deathstalker energy is the opposite though
why is that? just wondering bc yes im deathstalker
novel star
if you sim spyglass in dungeon slice and it looks bad because of target switching that’s not relevant since ovinax is more patchwerk with adds
if you press transmitter without dying it’s insane
if you cant do that then don’t
use ur lil noggin i believe in you
thorn fjord
You're not there to kill adds on ovinax
quit trying to pad lol
Just turn Splatter on and you're good.. Sim ST
novel star
why is that? just wondering bc yes im deathstalker
sanguine blades = less energy = less finishers = less DsM pops
= balls damage
thorn fjord
= balls damage
i still manage to shit dmg out running SB build and sending envenoms like nobody's business hehe
But im going to actually play things right and just run double VV with Imp gar tomorrow
thorn fjord
All 3 variations are within less than .5% of each other
cerulean walrus
Lmaoooooo this dude isn’t using the comfy vanish in case of oh shit moment build
thorn fjord
Imp Gar is more of a QoL thing for me
novel star
yeh
thorn fjord
Lmaoooooo this dude isn’t using the comfy vanish in case of oh shit moment build
My brain doesnt like it
Feels dirty
thorn fjord
woof woof
strange python
well think for yourself a little
you just gave 2 opposite answers.
novel star
no i didnt
thinking for yourself is part of simming
theres a reason things that sim very well are not necessarily recommended
like transmitter
thorn fjord
gotta pray for jumps with Transmitter
daring hamlet
is there any important reason not to just macro skardyn's into dm and slam it every 2 min?
novel star
average player cant use that trinket without dying
thorn fjord
in RNG we trust
thorn fjord
is there any important reason not to just macro skardyn's into dm and slam it ev...
You can do that and its fine
gritty laurel
my sim is back to coin flipping being better, woo
cerulean walrus
is there any important reason not to just macro skardyn's into dm and slam it ev...
No
novel star
my sim is back to coin flipping being better, woo
W flipper
daring hamlet
You can do that and its fine
when would you press it if you didn't macro
daring hamlet
lmfao kk
the way you phrased it i thought it was like "you cannn do it that way and its fineee" but there was a more min/max way to prses it
thorn fjord
its fine to macro potion and trinket to your DM most of the time
tranquil berry
novel parcel
Yall quick question. In low keys, when I have a bursty other dps such as frost dk or warrior or something and my cds wouldnt last long enough to ramp. Is it worth it to just save cds for next pull, or send them and cry when my prio target dies with 5 seconds left on deathmark and kingsbane still. And yes, I know this is fixed in higher keys, but pugs do not like me in higher keys so I get to suffer for now
thorn fjord
You running bleed build?
novel star
Yall quick question. In low keys, when I have a bursty other dps such as frost d...
using cds is generally always better than not using them
novel parcel
Whatever they hybrid build is
thorn fjord
If things are dying too quick bleed might do you better
novel parcel
By the time I get my ruptures and garrotes and CT everything is already half health
thorn fjord
Hybrid shines better when things are alive longer
novel parcel
Yeah I know
But it still has the same issue of shit not being alive long enough to last my cds
And it has less st which is what I prefer, even though this spec kinda has dog st either way
thorn fjord
On low keys i was only getting a chance to cast DM on bosses lol
novel parcel
I love being a dot class
cerulean walrus
Ngl even in 10s shit lives for such a short period lmao
thorn fjord
Ngl even in 10s shit lives for such a short period lmao
yeah lol
novel star
yea ur gonna get gapped in st by good players running full aoe builds on any other class
cerulean walrus
But I still blast 
novel star
Ngl even in 10s shit lives for such a short period lmao
just play with an aug
cerulean walrus
True
novel parcel
Dude even with an aug it still happens
cerulean walrus
People still Aug pilled
novel parcel
I was doing some keys with a friend with an aug and fdk, first pull in city of threads was dead in 30 seconds on a 10
novel star
People still Aug pilled
wym
novel star
yea
fallen thistle
!wa
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cerulean walrus
Gear scuffed AF
novel star
i almost got a 2milly in necrotic wake 9
but i died multiple times last boss cause i love dying in m+
thorn fjord
Gear scuffed AF
gotta be better than mine... Im ending up between 1.3-1.5 depending on key
novel star
it’s like my favourite thing to do
cerulean walrus
gotta be better than mine... Im ending up between 1.3-1.5 depending on key
Yikes
thorn fjord
My trinkets are shit
cerulean walrus
Vet track Skardyn’s do be putting in work
thorn fjord
onbly have a 606 one
novel star
i hit like sustained 7.5m on that one silly goofy pack in stonevault shit was tight
cerulean walrus
Yeah I’m getting up to like 5.5-6 on some of these pulls
novel star
cerulean walrus
Candle 
novel star
good candle or bad candle
thorn fjord
im using 606 skard and 610 Sprint trinket thing
novel star
there’s 2 candles
thorn fjord
I want it gone so bad
novel star
that one’s decent no?
waxen oyster
and one bad
cerulean walrus
im using 606 skard and 610 Sprint trinket thing
Ain’t no fucking way
The sprint trinket lmao
half tartan
Does feint kinda suck now, any lists of things it works on
thorn fjord
Yeah tell me about it
novel star
feint def doesn’t suck
thorn fjord
Feint is our literal best button
cerulean walrus
Feint def goated with the sauce
waxen oyster
no thats cloak
half tartan
Someone told me it hardly works on any of new raid cause of coding keeping it from functioning
Like on queen its useless?
waxen oyster
it doesnt work on kyveza lines
loud girder
when does socketing a diamond become worth while
scenic plank
what am i doing wrong ?
runic hinge
im using 606 skard and 610 Sprint trinket thing
619 transmitter and 619 passive thingy from delves
vapid coyote
sup, main DH here, i wanted to try rogue, but everyone is saying rogue hero talents are actually bad in a way that is not undertuned but unfun, can anyone explain this in a simple way why is that ?
novel star
tempered potion macros just have a skill issue atm mine is legit a list of 5 ids in a row
found somewhere in this disc
drifting cloud
sup, main DH here, i wanted to try rogue, but everyone is saying rogue hero tale...
almost everything is purely passive that doesnt really affect gameplay
weary juniper
guys u know if deathstalker is buged in ulgrax?
royal python
does the kingsbane ramp base depend on the initial hit ? (like if the initial hit crits does it ramp at a higher base)
weary juniper
some times i dnt even have 1 damage or 1 apply from it
scenic plank
tempered potion macros just have a skill issue atm mine is legit a list of 5 ids...
i see i will try with ID then ! thanks
cerulean walrus
sup, main DH here, i wanted to try rogue, but everyone is saying rogue hero tale...
All of our hero talents are a basically just a trinket
scenic plank
and it works fine ?
static glacier
sup, main DH here, i wanted to try rogue, but everyone is saying rogue hero tale...
only real thing you gotta consider is making sure you have deathstalker's mark ready / darkest night, otherwise you will need a restealth / vanish. some stuff like 1st / 2nd grim batol bosses don't give DN when they die for some reason
novel star
for me ya
royal python
does the kingsbane ramp base depend on the initial hit ? (like if the initial hi...
anyone who knows this ?
static glacier
and make sure to send max cp env on darkest night, other than that both trees are essentially passive
static glacier
anyone who knows this ?
no, it doesn't do that
novel star
our hero talents are also just unsatisfying and uninteresting
compared to most other classes
royal python
no, it doesn't do that
are you sure, thanks
static glacier
are you sure, thanks
yes, I am
spice spire
Mo is right
static glacier
the initial kingsbane hit doesn't affect the dog dot
novel star
trickster replaces your main finisher with one with a long animation lock for no reason
royal python
ok thanks !
novel star
fatebound flips coins(that’s it) and deathstalker is the annoying mechanics issue yeah
static glacier
trickster replaces your main finisher with one with a long animation lock for no...
good point, trickster sub actually has a bunch of considerations for gameplay
but as far as sin is concerned it's fairly hands off outside of darkest night
royal python
fatebound also has annoying mechanics, to ramp up for lucky coin, it actually puts you off on Cds for boss timers
novel star
warlocks get to summon an extra demon or some shit
static glacier
fatebound also has annoying mechanics, to ramp up for lucky coin, it actually pu...
you don't play around it at all
royal python
but nobody talks about that
limber lion
I'm playing Enha shaman
novel star
we flip coins
cerulean walrus
Fucking evokers dropping bombardments
royal python
cause everyone playing fangirl deathstalker
limber lion
And this Stormbringer hero tree is fucking sick
static glacier
I highly reccomend just hiding lucky coin so you don't do dumb stuff to keep it up
cerulean walrus
You see all the dracthyr flying overhead
spice spire
Bro stormbringer is so sick
limber lion
Tempest is MY HERO TALENT btw
static glacier
And this Stormbringer hero tree is fucking sick
oh, tempest! into?? tempest!
undone pollen
Are there any guides for specific bosses in nerub-ar raid
thorn fjord
@normal mist y'all wanted to hate on my cow mog
static glacier
proc'd another tempest
thorn fjord
REVEL IN ITS GLORY
spice spire
They don’t recommend on ele because it has dog shit st
undone pollen
Talent swaps specifically
nova aspen
does any1 know how to blacklist the drake damage done in grim batol on details?
static glacier
Hero talent doing 25% of my dps
nimble flurry would like a word
limber lion
Yes
spice spire
Even Druids have sick hero talents. Pissed
novel star
blade flurries are fake news tho
limber lion
does any1 know how to blacklist the drake damage done in grim batol on details?
Juwst open up the spell list on details and search for them and then "ignore"
waxen oyster
Hero talent doing 25% of my dps
slayer for warrior
static glacier
i don't think any other class competes with us for overall in grim
nova aspen
gotcha ty
limber lion
np
spice spire
slayer for warrior
I hardly know er!
drifting cloud
normal mist
<@256188402116984832> y'all wanted to hate on my cow mog
Looks gorgeous tho
thorn fjord
Man of taste
vapid coyote
All of our hero talents are a basically just a trinket
as far as DH goes, this is almost the same. I wanted to try another mobile class with good defensives. What i am not liking DH atm is how your dps is doodo trash outside of meta and how inactive you become without buttons to press. Dont know if assassin is the right spec for this or what
blazing pumice
outlaw is the spec for you bud
feral crag
Is it worth possibly overcapping cp with dark night proc? Like if we have 6 cp and proc
cinder quartz
warlocks get to summon an extra demon or some shit
i've been alting diabolist demo and its cool
imagine if sometimes envenom costs 0 cp and did giga damage, and sometimes mutilate would generate max CP
scenic plank
Is it worth possibly overcapping cp with dark night proc? Like if we have 6 cp a...
i would like ot know too, i usually throw knife for one CP, i don't even know if that is wise or not
runic hinge
Should just mutilate
runic hinge
Is it worth possibly overcapping cp with dark night proc? Like if we have 6 cp a...
Yes. You wanna consume darkest night as soon as possible
drifting cloud
afaik consuming it is even higher prio than applying rupture dont quote me on that (especially tony)
waxen oyster
as far as DH goes, this is almost the same. I wanted to try another mobile class...
I mean DH you kinda do damage every 40
during your essence break windows
Personally I think felscarred is better designed than any rogue hero trees.
feral crag
Thank you! Two more questions: what envenom uptime shpuld I be aiming to have during a boss fight? Also do I maintain 100% garrote uptime?
runic hinge
afaik consuming it is even higher prio than applying rupture dont quote me on th...
You’re right. If you have dn up even if rupture is in pandemic you build to 7 and consume the proc
runic hinge
Thank you! Two more questions: what envenom uptime shpuld I be aiming to have du...
Garrote yes you want it up as much as you can
And shoot for like 90%
feral crag
Thank you
vapid coyote
Personally I think felscarred is better designed than any rogue hero trees.
yeah, the thing is, it gets really tedious to await 40sec to do actual good damage you know, fel scarred was supposed to be a burst hero talent tree and the other one would be a more consistant damage tree, however the other one is so bad that the only viable one is fel scarred
iron valve
only 40 seconds?
terse tangle
Is possible that all 3 rog spec are trash atm?
waxen oyster
I mean technically it is a burst tree.
Its just aldrachi reaver is less practical in real raid scenarios.
since more uptime reliant
static glacier
Thank you! Two more questions: what envenom uptime shpuld I be aiming to have du...
press garrote when it has 6 or less seconds duration, env uptime should ideally be 90+% depends on talents / and stats but it should be high
practicing pooling (holding env casts until the current envenom buff is almost over) will help uptime
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
feral crag
How does staying under 50% energy lead to more envenoms? Assuming you aren't clipping constantly on env buff
dawn heath
why is the sim casting CT on st?
spice surge
How does staying under 50% energy lead to more envenoms? Assuming you aren't cli...
Because sanguine blades doesnt proc
Most of the power of that talent comes from the damage during deathmark
dawn heath
spice surge
why is the sim casting CT on st?
You can do it if you want with pure aoe build
dawn heath
6 casts of ct?
spice surge
But its not that big and its only worth casting when you have momentum of despair up
Would not recommend really
feral crag
Because sanguine blades doesnt proc
Sorry, I still don't understand how that talent would lead to casting envenoms more often
iron valve
what embels on wep
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
runic hinge
Sorry, I still don't understand how that talent would lead to casting envenoms m...
Sanguine eats energy when you’re above 50% if you stay below it won’t and you can cast envenom more often
warm vortex
Is assa the best spec for Queen on heroic
limber lion
Is assa the best spec for Queen on heroic
spice surge
Sorry, I still don't understand how that talent would lead to casting envenoms m...
Being above 50% leads to less envenoms, thus being below effectively makes you get more envenoms