assassination

[quiet oar]

you jsut run as a group

in a circle

[rotund oak]

yeah just stack on tank

if the tank goes slow

and the slam overlaps the orbs

u get onetapped

gg wp

[storm hedge]

It's much more deadly than Ara Kara last boss imo

[quiet oar]

With the recent nerfs

i find CoT less deadly

but my tanks

can move

so

[rotund oak]

ye thats the reason

u need to stay clear from the orb pathing

its all that matters

[storm hedge]

We had someone die to the web + orb overlap like 4 pulls in a row on a 10 yesterday

[rotund oak]

ye orbs are just deadly man

[quiet oar]

Well

just clears webs !?

[storm hedge]

Obviously

[fair wharf]

Are you supposed to keep up caustic spatter on both enemies at the same time at silken court?

I cant manage to get good logs at that boss as if i im missing something.

[balmy condor]

caustic is limit 1

[storm hedge]

You think that we weren't trying that?

[balmy condor]

would be extremely difficult to keep it up on both

[gusty pewter]

so what should stats i craft if i want toplay both?

[rotund oak]

i play sin with sub stats coz sin doesnt rly care but ITS NOT RECOMMENDED

[waxen oyster]

sin stats are even

switch your rings if you want to mess around with stats

[rotund oak]

sin needs some crit though

[royal lantern]

maybe you, not me

just crit when you need it

[quiet oar]

You odnt need crit

[rotund oak]

😂

[quiet oar]

when just crit all the important casts

i mean

its basically 50/50 to crit

[balmy condor]

that's why I run necrotic wake

get sent down, do the small add

come up

100% crit

no crit needed

[quiet oar]

true

did someone try

to vanish the sent down

[balmy condor]

they fixed all of that

[rotund oak]

ild crit u like an oreo cheesecake 🤤

[quiet oar]

One hunter

in my guild

[gusty pewter]

okey thx boys

[quiet oar]

skipped one

[royal lantern]

you forgot "forget to drop the puddle and place it under the boss"

[quiet oar]

with feign death

but couldnt replicate it

[pure moth]

i just healed a NW... 2 people just stood still in storm

and a rogue cloaked and froze 3 people lol

[waxen oyster]

chad moment is when you vanish for crackshot

and root the group

[quiet oar]

Are you sure it was cloak

and not a vanish for crackshot

[fleet pagoda]

had a tank stand in the exact spot i was getting dropped off as comet storm started

[rotund oak]

dark exile thingy is annoying but big amp

10/10 recommend

[pure moth]

was cloak

[waxen oyster]

also

do dks do something special in NW

[rotund oak]

i did,it cancels the cast

[oak gorge]

did i overdid my stats with 21%crit/53%mastery/10%haste 🙄🙄🙄

[normal mist]

Those numbers mean nothing

[waxen oyster]

your stats dont matter for sin

[oak gorge]

nice 😄 how do i make sense of it

[fleet pagoda]

that's up to raidbots brother, not us

[pure moth]

you sim as you get gear and accept the sims

[distant halo]

What do you guys do with enchants? it it worth enchanting your offhand, do you take the same enchant, or do you take radiant on one and authority on the other?

[waxen oyster]

i ask the guild enchanter

[oak gorge]

perfect

[waxen oyster]

to roulette either depths or radiant

when i get a new weapon

[balmy condor]

people cloaking that debuff off is always crazy to me

[pure moth]

agreed

[waxen oyster]

cloak off the ritual knife debuff

[quiet oar]

[waxen oyster]

if its during your deathmark

[quiet oar]

Well

what if i told you

in wanted to pre cloak

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

but was too slow

[waxen oyster]

also

[balmy condor]

how do you pre-cloak that

[waxen oyster]

you cant dwarf that debuff off

[balmy condor]

why would you pre-cloak that

[quiet oar]

For waht else

do i need cloak

at the last boss

[balmy condor]

??????????????? no shot right

[waxen oyster]

cloak is 7 seconds long

silly

[rotund oak]

the rain cast

[pure moth]

cloak the storm to stand still

[rotund oak]

stand in ur place and send cds

[quiet oar]

Why

i can just walk with my tank

its not like i lose dps

[rotund oak]

cozu give space to overs to move

its rly obvious move

[fleet pagoda]

or cloak and try to hit your buds with it

[balmy condor]

crying

sobbing

[quiet oar]

idk, we move as a group

[balmy condor]

all I do on this app is cry

[waxen oyster]

find the dps you dont like

and cloak step onto them

if boss is dead anyway

[quiet oar]

Like pallys always pre freedom

[rotund oak]

if u have a group ye u can coordinate better even with cds

[pure moth]

i dont dont heal those people

[rotund oak]

but that doesnt apply to everyone

[waxen oyster]

yeah uhh

don't trust me in raids

[rotund oak]

mr shibainu father

[quiet oar]

idk

[waxen oyster]

with any path that has a bridge

[normal mist]

😱

[waxen oyster]

the swapblaster coming out

[quiet oar]

Well it was pretty common

and will be

because its really not hard

to stack on tank and walk in a circle

[rotund oak]

its not that hard ye.its true

[waxen oyster]

im swapblasting dks more this tier

fuck em

[rotund oak]

just a press-if-nothing else to do

[quiet oar]

I mean you could use cloak

if you were sent down

and you dont want to stop

[waxen oyster]

any flensing truers

[rotund oak]

gonna gear up my hpally in delves laters ppl 😄

[heavy trail]

For the first boss in echoes, do you save the vanish for the spiders. What's the best strat to aoe down the edds faster ? Is the tank supposed to keep the boss at least somewhat away from where they spawn ?

[wispy marsh]

Is it worth upgrading Skardyn's Grace/Sac to 619 on the champion track or should I keep them at 606 until I get from hero track? Don't want to waste crests, what do y'all think?

[normal mist]

You'll need to have 2 619 trinkets to be able to upgrade a third one without the crests cost. I'd say it's worth it nonetheless

[quiet oar]

I let other people do it, but i would prolly jsut spatter off one

[normal mist]

Because you can be unlucky and never really dropping a trinket at all

[heavy trail]

Thanks Tir

[quiet oar]

i mean just a enhancement in your group

and let him tempest proc them away

oh yeah

and maybe crimson tempest

if they live long enough

[fallen arch]

I hold Vanish for em, dot em up and return to boss. The warriors or palas in the group will handle the rest

[fallen arch]

I had 0 trinket drops in about 50 keys these past 2 weeks

I’ve seen so many Sacs and Skardyns for others tho

Kinda annoying

[heavy trail]

REight

[quiet oar]

[quick shore]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[native escarp]

do u guys ever crimson tempest bosses

[quick shore]

for 3rd craft what is a solid choice?

[native escarp]

during 4set buff

[fallen arch]

I’ll just get a myth track Skardyns in vault this week and we chillin COPIUM

[fallen arch]

I don’t think its worth in pure st

But Whisp knows best

[native escarp]

i seen some ppl doing it just curious

@balmy condor any input

[fallen arch]

I mean, I do it sometimes too but idk if I should

[native escarp]

only in the 4set buff window tho

bc its 10% more, i wonder if its like the tiniest dps gain

regardless i think its negligible

but ye

[fallen arch]

I think nothing cause no embellishments?

[native escarp]

3rd craft just ur lowest ilvl slot

if you alrdy have weapon and 2 embellish

[quiet oar]

I got sacbrood myth track

with only 1 myth track slot

[sinful elk]

Does anyone know some giga mythic+ assassination players/streamers? Still coming to grips with retail but I seem to be lacking a touch on trash packs

[fallen arch]

Zerocool

Is extremely good

[sinful elk]

75% of the time I'm blasting, but do some really ordinary damage others. Wonder if im screwing up target swap openers etc

[fallen arch]

But, you know, he can be kind of a toxic streamer too

No offense

[sinful elk]

That's fine, I just need to watch and see the decision making process.

[quiet oar]

Well

Thats kinda the thing with Sin

you are toxic

[viscid kelp]

That’s why I play it

If the tank won’t let me restealth to get my stuff up its his fault

[fallen arch]

He pretty good

[quiet oar]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[sinful elk]

Im sticking with the feelscraft brah

[fallen arch]

Same

[sinful elk]

Gg afk no stealth

Well I'll give Zerocool a geez. Thanks mate

[fallen arch]

I jist tricks the healer to grief the tank in that case

[balmy condor]

That’s not the logic for CT single target lmao

You only CT single target if your clear the witnesses crits and you get momentum of despair

It’s an insanely niche min max

And it has nothing to do with tier

[fallen arch]

Otherwise never ct in st?

[balmy condor]

Correct

It’s only worth it for the momentum of despair crit damage buff

[fallen arch]

Ok thanks boss

[chilly canopy]

is there a wa which tracks momentum? not seen it yet in the packs i used afaik

[slow tulip]

just copy paste an aura that tracks clear the witnesses or smt and change the trigger

[novel star]

or dont do it

[slow tulip]

[winged dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

I haven’t seen it either, because CT single target is some insanely cringe tech for small gains that no one really does

[native escarp]

could just be as simple as, messing up caustic spatter, not making sure your at good scent of blood stacks

5 rupturesr

[chilly canopy]

ye, but i asked this myself when i had not as much crit and didnt know when its up, its niche but fun i guess

[native escarp]

maybe ur not envenom your deathmark target, lots of caustic dmg comes from that bc u get the big envenom darkest night crit into caustic target

its hard to tell what ur messing up bc theres a few things to track, without seeing logs or something

[quiet oar]

your name lmao

[chilly canopy]

hahahahaha

[heavy trail]

Well did the first key didn't do great damage, but stayed live except during one wipe, and doubled the interrupts but at least got the vibe for it as I have only done keys as MM so far this expansion.

Toughest thing is to try and keep up with the tank dragging mobs with him to pull more and avoiding losing stealh or trying to manage to get prepared as to exactly when to set up damage as it's not quite as simple as it is on my marksman lol. But fun to practice.

[mossy sentinel]

this is absolutely moronic that i cant play double vanish without ditching lethality

[novel star]

just dont play double vanish

it blows cock

[mossy sentinel]

lmfao

in m+ its better

[pliant gazelle]

I am a bit confused about the pandemic window regarding envenom. I'm trying to put a tick on my envenom buff bar weak aura, but I'm not sure where to put it.
Since the envenom buff duration depends on the number on CP spends, how is the 30% calculated ? Is it from the current envenom buff ? The CP spent on the refresh ? A set value ?

[mossy sentinel]

doesnt matter what your sims say

[royal lantern]

no its not

lol

[novel star]

what keys r u pushin goat

[fallen arch]

Who told you that

[novel star]

lets see the rio link

where ur extra iron wire matters

gogo

[mossy sentinel]

you first

[balmy condor]

30% from the cp you cast the new one with

[royal lantern]

its not even that

you need some VERY good reasons and communication to even consider it in the first place

[novel star]

havent done much yet myself

10s hard

[nocturne quail]

double vanish

[mossy sentinel]

me neither

[novel star]

wheres urs then

[novel star]

saying me first implies theres a second?

[wispy marsh]

^^^ I'm here for it, he linked his so you gotta link yours

[nocturne quail]

yeah i want to get in on this

[novel star]

ok but isnt that a title from 2 years ago when the spec was totally different

[fallen arch]

He just linked s1 df title

[mossy sentinel]

well i know class

for sure

[novel star]

buddy

[nocturne quail]

https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Camslav

[wispy marsh]

Sources, trust

[nocturne quail]

double vanish bad

trust

[novel star]

sins major rework was 10.2

[fallen arch]

Ye you do, but can u explain why u think double vanish is better?

[novel star]

not 10.0 believe it or not!

[fallen arch]

Honest question

[novel star]

wheres ur current szn keys at where double vanish is really good

since were talking about the war within

:)

[royal lantern]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Garmors

dont run double vanish

if that can "convince" you

[mossy sentinel]

The value from ER goes down in keys

it sims better

[royal lantern]

no it doesnt

[mossy sentinel]

but it is very difficult to sim keys properly

[royal lantern]

why would the value go down

[novel star]

i mean this is true

[quiet oar]

Guys

[novel star]

but its not true that you will ever get more damage from double vanish regardless of key level

[quiet oar]

i love my double vanish

[wispy marsh]

All y'all linking your characters and I literally just started gearing this week and am only 609 :((((((( I'm jealous af

[fallen arch]

Ofc it is

[quiet oar]

that grants me a total of 1 vanish more

[fallen arch]

But I feel u want ER especially for prio and boss damage

Since out boss dmg already is lackluster

[mossy sentinel]

im not saying ER is bad

[quiet oar]

People dont understand that double vanish

[zinc frost]

Ah a fellow untimed grim batol enjoyer

[fallen arch]

Double vanish makes it worse

[mossy sentinel]

Im just saying in keys overall double vanish is better

[quiet oar]

only provides ONE additional vanish

[novel star]

everyone knows youre saying this

we're asking for any actual reason

other than just saying it

and linking a 2 yr old title

to ego selfstroke

?

[wispy marsh]

I still want to see your rio please

[mossy sentinel]

well i havent played in 2 years

literally just logged back on my rogue

[novel star]

ok then why are you talking so much shit so confidently about the current state of the game

because of ur accomplishment 2 years ago when rogue was completely different

get a fucking grip bro

[royal lantern]

first key failed cus i cloaked the knockback and didnt knew that it makes the fixtate elemental swap targets and wiped us

2nd failed because a fixtate add changed targets after 8seconds FOR SOME REASON

[mossy sentinel]

llmfao

[nocturne quail]

And what else you losing to get vanish

[quiet oar]

was it stunned

[mossy sentinel]

The only reason i would even consider ER to be better then vanish is because u can get lethality

[nocturne quail]

One whole talent that does literally nothing

[quiet oar]

Dude

[mossy sentinel]

but this discord seems exactly the same as the last time i was here

all theory and zero execution

[novel star]

"lmfao, it's better, doesn't matter what your sims say. i know class."

[nocturne quail]

Yeah dog you should look into what you’re saying

[quiet oar]

you get a total of ONE additional vanish

[novel star]

then show evidence of it being useful in practice

[nocturne quail]

Somebody link this guy the whispyr video

[wispy marsh]

You still haven't linked your rio brother

[novel star]

you can disagree with the theory and thats completely fine

but back it up

with relevant information

to the current patch

[quiet oar]

You dont have actual two vanishes

[fallen arch]

I mean, prob Zerocool runs some degen double vanish shit for a reason

[mossy sentinel]

Oh

[bitter trout]

My poison brothers I have a question about brood prog

[mossy sentinel]

well i think you could use Zerocool as an example3

[fallen arch]

But I just dont see it

[nocturne quail]

Imagine losing lethality and putting a point into a talent that does nothing just to get ONE extra vanish

[mossy sentinel]

hes a certified pumper

[novel star]

Interesting you mention zerocool! lets check the pinned messages!

[bitter trout]

CT or no CT

[fallen arch]

Being better

[royal lantern]

the execution of "you put 2points into subterfuge which does literally nothing for assa, 1 point into a ussules selfheal talent to get 1 CHARGE(!!!!) of vanish, which means 1-2 additonal uses trought out an entire dungeon run"

[novel star]

i really wonder what zerocools opinion is on builds

[quiet oar]

No CT

[pliant remnant]

Smells early Monday in here

[novel star]

if only it was

in the pinned messages

thatd be so useful (:

[quiet oar]

Exactly

[bitter trout]

ANYONE BUT YOU

[fallen arch]

Did he explain tho why he plays it?

[mossy sentinel]

Yeah well obviously theorycrafter wont agree

[novel star]

motherfucker

[weak hearth]

can you ellaborate on that ? I'm sorry if i'm misreading the talent but i'm not getting how/why a momentum of despair proc would lead to wanting to cast CT in ST. Englando not main language fyi

[novel star]

its literally zerocool

typing in the discord

not to take double vanish

[pliant remnant]

[novel star]

and asking for it to be pinned

LOL

its not a theorycrafter

[mossy sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Zerøcool?season=season-tww-1

[novel star]

its the guy you wanna glaze

telling people not to take it

[mossy sentinel]

hes literally playing double vanihs

[novel star]

no shit hes playing it

cause he has real reasons for it

unlike yours

that its JUST BETTER!

[fallen arch]

Ye and he had has reasons for it that dont count for 99% of the other rogues

[royal lantern]

high communication keys with coordination where he is using it on very specific pulls for more add controll

not what 99,9999999999999% of players are even close of doing

[wispy marsh]

This made me laugh out loud

[novel star]

I DONT CARE AB UR SIMS! ITS JUST BETTER! I KNOW CLASS! (i know the class pre rework 2 yrs ago)

[balmy condor]

Momentum of despair = crit rate and crit damage on crimson tempest = big ct buff

[mossy sentinel]

ok kid

[novel star]

im shocked

[novel star]

again with the insane egotyping every message

can you say anything without being angy for once bud

[balmy condor]

Can y’all stop screaming at each other

[novel star]

:3

teehee

[mossy sentinel]

didnt ask anything

jut complained

[royal lantern]

check the pins where zero literally says that you should not copy him

or how he made a YT video telling people why he does it and why people should not copy it

[balmy condor]

Plebi is clearly denser than lead and oli is being a dickhead about it and neither one of you run keys where it makes a fucking difference just get over it already

[pliant remnant]

this discord seems exactly the same as the last time i was here

[mossy sentinel]

and you try to compare dicks

[pliant remnant]

all screaming and zero execution

[wispy marsh]

I've learned so much about this spec from your wowhead guide. Thank you for all the work ❤️

[novel star]

im just matching the energy he came in with tbf but fair enuf

[balmy condor]

You’re welcome

[novel star]

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

He started first !!!

[weak hearth]

oh ok this talent is for CT. Talent calculator can't process Wowhead links to spell so i couldnt understand the talent

[quiet oar]

[novel star]

asking you to link rio was genuine curiosity to see if you were running shit where it mattered

ik mine isnt impressive i wouldnt have shown it if you didnt ask

[balmy condor]

If me and zerocool can agree on something and it’s still not enough to convince someone it’s literally a doomed waste of time

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

Just gotta take the L and move on

[novel star]

sometimes its true

[mossy sentinel]

yuo clearly have ur opinion and not open to discussion

but whatever

enjoy your circlejerk

[cunning needle]

we're open to discussion, but you've still yet to give any reasons

[novel star]

i am open to discussion thats why i tried like 15 times to have a discussion with you but you didnt want to answer really basic questions about it

[cunning needle]

other than "top rogue is running it"

[wispy marsh]

Side note, does anyone have a cool set for Mage Tower The Kingslayers weapons? Want to rock my cool weapons but can never find a set that I like to go with them

[novel star]

[cunning needle]

of which he has also responded saying "dont run it i'm doing wack shit"

[quiet oar]

Man

i wish

we took the advice of whisp

[novel star]

noone has em so no

[quiet oar]

and move on

[novel star]

someone say something new to talk about

[cunning needle]

no i'm bored and need to kill time before dinner

[quiet oar]

wdym

i ahve them

[novel star]

FAKE

[quiet oar]

i even have CM set

Dont you have it?

[novel star]

i started in bfa

[quiet oar]

[novel star]

even if i did start in legion it wouldve been on eu like bfa was

so

[wispy marsh]

Not me having every spec mage tower weapon because I no lifed Legion

[quiet oar]

Imagine starting WoW in the worst expac

[novel star]

8.3 too

and sin rogue!

worst possible vibe

[royal lantern]

zac started in SL

and yeha, that answers everything about him

[novel star]

bfa surely worse than sl

[royal lantern]

nah, BfA had banger raids

[quiet oar]

Well i liked SL way more than BFA

[wispy marsh]

BFA was lit af

[royal lantern]

and m+ had some good dungeons

[balmy condor]

It’s not even a circlejerk, me and zerocool haven’t agreed on most anything, but we agree on one thing, and that thing is double vanish being bad for legit anyone outside of like the top 25 atm. If a theorycrafter and a rank 1 key player can’t convince you then how could literally anyone

[novel star]

good raids but the systems were disastrous

[royal lantern]

many problems, but also a good bunch of great things in BfA

[novel star]

waow whispyr

look at you continuing the conversation you told us to stop

you naughty naughty

[balmy condor]

Yeah

True

Wasting my time

Mb

[wispy marsh]

BFA was when I was the best at the game so it holds a special place in my heart, rose colored glasses 😦

[royal lantern]

if you enjoyed it, it was good, wdym

i liked BfA aswell

[novel star]

all good goat. Don't let it happen again.

[quiet oar]

I love whisp

[steel ridge]

dont believe anything whispyr says, he doesnt even have a 639 skardyns grace even tho the guide says its BiS. never trust a drunk!

[wispy marsh]

I swear I lived in Eternal Palace

[quiet oar]

He is so based

[steel ridge]

[quiet oar]

wdym nerazar

Durnk whisp

is very entertaining

[steel ridge]

unhinged whispyr is best whispyr

[real ivy]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cunning needle]

drunk whispyr is even better

[steel ridge]

drunk and unhinged

[cunning needle]

yessssssssssss

[steel ridge]

cooked to the limit

99 grim batol runs deep

insanity incarnate

so far down the road, that shadow priests hear his whispers (kekw) in voidform.

[royal lantern]

does my, 639sacbrood count :3

[steel ridge]

vendor it

[quiet oar]

You hve one too !?

[steel ridge]

i raise you my 639 crystal

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-monkey-gorilla-ape-hug-gif-14004263079835426812

[quiet oar]

639 Sacbrood besties

[normal mist]

Guys instead of being angry, go vote #1262437829150113855 , we need more votes this month, people so busy playing that barely any entries got added and few votes

[pliant remnant]

Too busy waiting for any tank or healer to manifest right now

[bronze pike]

i remember the light in his eyes when he started

its all gone now

[royal lantern]

the innocence of a wow player going away after their first alpha/beta circle

[bronze pike]

[steel ridge]

when 11.0.5

need more story

we are running dry

[bronze pike]

heres a story for ya

its about xalatoes

[steel ridge]

🚑

that feet fetish thing is going way too far man

[bronze pike]

please insert 10000 gold in the MG trade box to hear the next paragraph

[cunning needle]

yeah it really is. btw if you wanted a weak aura that just shows xalatath's feet at the top of your screen lmk

[steel ridge]

i am good thanks

🙈

[cunning needle]

oh okay

https://wago.io/xl-88F6Y3

just in case

i won't judge

[rotund oak]

wild

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1289961622990753887/feetosll.png?ex=66fab9e1&is=66f96861&hm=e77cc4da7f4932d95fe589e0c461f107e427380083a382f0c75bc13fe457eaff&

[rotund oak]

whats wrong with ppl

[steel ridge]

is echo even playing anymore

not even a caster is doing some random shit anymore

shambles

[rotund oak]

time for method to rise

back to them roots

[steel ridge]

the 1% wipe yesterday shattered their spirit

[quiet oar]

Ansurek prison

[earnest remnant]

LETS GO LIQUID!!! LETS GO LIQUID!!!

[main bison]

[steel ridge]

you could clearly see gingi´s lifeforce leaving his body

[quiet oar]

You know what shatters them entirely

when liquid rekills it

[steel ridge]

KEKW

[quiet oar]

before them killing it once

[rotund oak]

liquid had so much dmg,very pumpy all the way

[steel ridge]

true that, its reset tomorrow, but i doubt the will reclear on the venue

[quiet oar]

Im not sure if Liquid was just on fire

or echo was just bad

or both?

[rotund oak]

echo getting

time for new blood

[steel ridge]

echo had so many hickups (hiccups?)

the bans, the drama

[rotund oak]

yeah that zaelia dude

[earnest remnant]

liquid just took them to school on the last 3 bosses

they played insanely well

[rotund oak]

that warrior

liquid has

SO PUMPY

[quiet oar]

hiccups is right afaik

[steel ridge]

SCHLUCKAUF

sry

[spring stream]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-german-flag-germany-trikot-gif-12722037627503073743

[pulsar dirge]

Does ara Kara sim right, cause it's way lower than that ascension trinket( I hate it and really want to replace it)

[steel ridge]

well, on-use generally does have an edge on a burst class

[quiet oar]

which ascension

[steel ridge]

probably the ascendancy serum trinket thingamagic

with the short channel and weird stats

[rotund oak]

channeling trinkets are cringe

skadryns or pass

[earnest remnant]

jump 3 times POG

[quiet oar]

POG

[earnest remnant]

find ball POG

[quiet oar]

POG

[earnest remnant]

stand in circle POG

[quiet oar]

POG

[steel ridge]

lost souls

[royal lantern]

our warrior swears that he can use it no problems

and he is allready the #1 deaths guys

[steel ridge]

😂

[royal lantern]

cus ofc those guys need to play a trinket like that

[steel ridge]

my RL wanted to shove that trinket down my throat and i refused

caused some ruckus

but a man has principles

the next day, a raider died to that trinket on pull

i loved everything about that moment

"but it sims so good and RWF rogues are playing it too"

ye sure, but i am not exile and we are not liquid 😄

[quiet oar]

i wouldve taken it

Cloak and Cheat are wasted

[royal lantern]

same, just to keep it save from others

[quiet oar]

if i dont use them

[steel ridge]

reminded me that i play the game for fun and to relax

[royal lantern]

disgusting

🤢

[quiet oar]

Look at him

[steel ridge]

not sweatlord into cringe minigames for 0.4% gain or some shit

[quiet oar]

He thinks he is a better person

Becaus ehe plays it for fun and to relax

[steel ridge]

🦜

[round spire]

guys what did you craft for 3rd item

i did waist and wrist

[quiet oar]

Wrist

[steel ridge]

neck

[round spire]

is dagger worth or finger ?

[quiet oar]

I have Dagger, Ring and Wrist

[round spire]

hm

[steel ridge]

dagger > ring > neck

[round spire]

i have 619 dagger only

then going to dagger

[steel ridge]

but thats just because i had socketed wrist and waist

[restive spire]

Do we not get rid of clear the witnesses on st anymore

how wrong is this

[steel ridge]

afaik you dont consume CtW in ST if you have VV talented

cause ambush/mut just slam harder

[restive spire]

ah i see

[royal lantern]

i feel that 4x mut

[clever sapphire]

4x mut?

[restive spire]

thats just 2

it hits twice

[clever sapphire]

tryan and logs

[quiet oar]

im honest

pressing 3 times mut

is still way better feeling

than pressing sinister strike 7 times in a row

[steel ridge]

truthbomb

[quiet oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184888068264689756/1240403148129046539/Screenshot_2024-05-15_223846.gif

me and procs

[royal lantern]

i always forget that part

4x mut for DN is still 1 of the worst things in the game

[quiet oar]

look at my screenshot

that is the worst thing

[clever sapphire]

aye thats true

[quiet oar]

i felt in this game

[royal lantern]

thats why i said one of

not THE worst

[quiet oar]

True

Tbh

I get really angry

When i play Outlaw

And have to press sinister strike more than 5 times

And dont get energy

[clever sapphire]

i got the solution: dont play outlaw

[quiet oar]

well

thats what i did

i started playing sin now in keys

[clever sapphire]

smartest outlaw enjoyer

[quiet oar]

(also to practice it for Prog)

[clever sapphire]

isnt sub the big prog spec?

[novel star]

depends

sin has infinitely better aoe than both the other specs

[rough oyster]

!wa

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[novel star]

and theres a lot of aoe this raid

[quiet oar]

It is for last two bossrs

[novel star]

sub clears in st but like

[quiet oar]

Because timings

[novel star]

even then it depends really

[quiet oar]

On kyveza

They played sin

[novel star]

ya

cus fight is too aids for sub

[quiet oar]

Huh

What

[novel star]

p sure that was the reasoning from exile unless im misremembering

[quiet oar]

I think sub has just good Timings for queen and court

And sin does not

[clever sapphire]

ah ye didnt he say something like they are going away anyways so he has 2min CD timers instead of 1:30 so assa better or smth like that

[spring moat]

For logs and such. If you play a suboptimal talent build. Will that also affect the color of the rating ? Played one fight as a hybrid and an other as raid aoe w/o ct. was grey and purple respectively

[novel star]

parse is purely just that spec on that boss

[fallen arch]

Why would it

[novel star]

and what dps you did compared to other people

[spring moat]

So if you’re using a build that’s not widely used it will be grey

[novel star]

no

[fallen arch]

No

[novel star]

talent doesnt affect parse at all

other than you doing less damage means your parse is worse

[fallen arch]

^

[novel star]

literally nothing on the parse number matters except spec boss and overall dps

[spring moat]

Same fight. Diff talents. Weird

[novel star]

you probably just fucked your rotation really bad on one pull and not on the other

[spring moat]

That’s very possible. 🙃

[royal lantern]

parse means "you did more dmg then (parse number as %) of people playing your spec on that fight"

[novel star]

or ur talents made you do bad damage

if you have m+ talents in raid your damage will suck and then your parse will suck

[royal lantern]

if you got a 70, it means you lerformed better then 70% of people that killed the boss on that spec

[novel star]

yeh

[spring moat]

if you have m+ talents in raid your damage will suck and then your parse will suck

That’s what the grey one was

[royal lantern]

yes, cus you do less dmg

[novel star]

yeah

[royal lantern]

m+ builds sacrifice ST dmg

[novel star]

but thats not the talent affecting the parse number by putting you in a different group or something

thats just your damage being lower

and parse being exclusively an overall dps leaderboard

[spring moat]

I’m hitting sim numbers regularly. Just not “good” parses lol

[novel star]

parsing can depend on a million things

[spring moat]

Oh ?

[novel star]

kill time affects it, missing a raid buff affects it, not doing some dumb greed shit that youd never do in prog

affects it

[fallen arch]

Kill times, if u have set, how fast adds die, raid buffs, mechanics, uptime

[novel star]

the only "raid buff" that isnt shown on wcl is aug evoker iirc

everything else will matter

[spring moat]

📝✍️

[novel star]

missing a warrior for -5% ap

fucked my dam earlier today

[royal lantern]

killtimers are often the #1 thing

[novel star]

so i got some nerfed parses

but yeah

[spring moat]

I used a mythic plus build just to help with the webbing.

[novel star]

m+ build in raid is really never good

[spring moat]

My boss damage was shit, but holy crap. The webs died super fast.

[novel star]

there is only one boss where you can sometimes take ct at the most

going into IC and shit is hard griefing

[royal lantern]

i mean, things like that are a team effort, not on you

you go spatter for cleaving and thats it

[novel star]

also yeah if you have any frost dks or fury warriors or even like a havoc or some shit in ur raid

and you set details to enemy damage taken

you most likely still didnt do that much even with ic and allat

relative to them

[spring moat]

Yeah. Whispyr showed me proper raid talents lol

[novel star]

[tawdry halo]

Is the bubbling wax ilvl nerf intentional?

[spring moat]

Went from grey to purple parse. Now gotta figure out proper way to caustic do optimal

[novel star]

probably

[spring moat]

Still have like four greys on my char profile lol

[novel star]

no official comments on it but i dont see how they would accidentally do that

[spring moat]

Bc it was free. And we aren’t allowed free things. Besides random junk from lockboxes

[novel star]

my hc ovinax 84

[spring moat]

You just focus ovi and spatter everything else ?

[novel star]

[deep gyro]

I think thats what i did. Maybe i rupture a spider or two

[tawdry halo]

disaster

[novel star]

dam sucks ass because we never had parasites under the boss ever

[quiet oar]

Brother doing ovinax 6 Times in 3 ids

[novel star]

guild is uhh

[novel star]

naw just crop of the full raid thingy

[quiet oar]

Ih

Oh

[deep gyro]

I need to better my princess run but my tanks and melee are inting it for me.

[quiet oar]

I had a 21 on myth rashanan

[novel star]

hc rashanan -warrior lmao

[quiet oar]

Got the Thingy to walk out in my DM twjce

[novel star]

god i wish i was doing mythic

i should be

but uh

the guild i joined is reforming this tier from like literally 2 leftover players

so half the team is

quite bad

[tacit otter]

i dont think anyone had such a great court as i did

[novel star]

and the other half is good

we should end up fine just gm has to keep recruiting for a while longer ig

[novel star]

that fight is so fun

mark management a little wack but

meh

[tacit otter]

the whole 9:30 min in my case?

[novel star]

maybe just a fatebound boss im ngl

[tacit otter]

on a normal group its a blast, but this one was rough

[novel star]

mm

[deep gyro]

Oh isee what u meant lmao

[novel star]

idk i should kill it hc tomorrow and i will see if my opinion changes after a full kill

but

i enjoyed it getting to like <40%

[tacit otter]

on 1 pull bl came back up, and iwas wondering 'this cant be right'

[deep gyro]

Lol our first kill, Everyone was dead. Good times

[tacit otter]

what was your kill timer?

[queen galleon]

!wa

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[spring moat]

I missed our first hc council Saturday. Mother in law showed up 🫤

I was on time for 35 wipes to queen though

😂

[rotund oak]

neck takes 3 sockets right?

[quiet oar]

2

2 neck and for each ring

so 6 total for jewelry

[rotund oak]

cool cool bought 10 settings

whatever

thx

[quiet oar]

140K

pog

[rotund oak]

its 100.7k

and 9k for the gems

[strange python]

!wa

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[rotund oak]

110k total

i made more yday by just logging 😄

[quiet oar]

isnt a setting 14kl

[rotund oak]

it dropped

all prices drop

rapidly

[quiet oar]

huh

[rotund oak]

10.7k this morning

[spring moat]

Droptimizer trolling me ?

Thought void reaper was best as set with that fist weapon

[quiet oar]

you are in sin

brotherfriend

[royal lantern]

thats why i wont buy shit before mythic gear

[quiet oar]

You dont use Fist weapon

as sin

[spring moat]

So it’s saying the trinket is decent without the weapon set ?

[limber lion]

Yes the trinket is goodf

[quiet oar]

Ye

[spring moat]

I got hero transmitter and a delve trinket currently

[quiet oar]

Hero Transmitter ist big

[spring moat]

When I had a heroic sacbrood it was big lol

Like. Heroic dungeon. Blue sacbrood lol

[quiet oar]

I have 639 Sacbrood

[sharp estuary]

!wa

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[novel star]

i have aaaaa 619 sac

getting it up to 626 is next prio iirc

tomorrow keys

[limber lion]

I think I'm an enha shaman main now

Already up to level 75

So fun

[quiet oar]

It does so much dmg

when you proc hard

its insane

[zealous tundra]

yo, can someone advise please am I being stupid or following the bis least overall ( collecting tier set ) is a bad idea for start as after catalysting 3 items I have 31% crit, 10% haste and 36% mastery

[fallen arch]

Please read the part on stat prio’s first

Cause it looks like you found the bis list

[quiet oar]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[quiet oar]

[fallen arch]

But not the part on all stats being fine

[quiet oar]

Stats are whatever

if the spec/class doesnt need a specific breakpoint

[fallen arch]

Ye it amazes me

How u click on bis list

But dont read about stat priority first

[fallen arch]

So yes absolutely get tier first, worry about stats later

[nova aspen]

morning

[cyan jacinth]

In PvP..
What to use first?
Deathmark or Kingsbane?

[limber lion]

Very situational

There is no right answer

For maximum burst you'd use Deathmark first

[royal lantern]

#pvp

[limber lion]

But a Paladin might use bubble or whatever and then it's gonezo

[torn dome]

what's the best way to use mad queen's trinket?

[viral spire]

mandate shares cd with other on use trinkets aye?

also why the fuck do sims show siphoning stiletto as a better craft option?

currently using 2x636 one with ascendance and the other embellishment is patch

[torn dome]

yea

[viral spire]

thought its dps wasn't even good let alone the fact that it murders you

[viral spire]

thats kinda cringe

I would assume send your stat-buff trinket with cds and use mandate 20s later

or likely, you can try to snipe adds to get reduced cd

[torn dome]

indeed that is optimal for fights where adds i gues

[normal mist]

Because it eats a embellishment slot

Where 2x dawnthread or ascension on dagger are better

[zealous tundra]

just truly hard to get items now as I got almost all crests from nerubar HC + Normal and was upgrading gear a lot, now 610 and only myth+ crests can be farmed, dunno how am I supposed to catch up if I lack proper dmg and ivl ( dmg due to low crit lvl). I thought crit is required for deathstalker's poisons as well, isn't it?

[viral spire]

its telling me that it is better than my 636 ascendance though

[normal mist]

And it can also kill you

[zealous tundra]

simming is too hard for me, prob stupid, since whatever it says

( Pawn: v1: "Everlüng - Assassination - Patchwerk (Raidbots)": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=15.22, CritRating=9.88, HasteRating=11.25, MasteryRating=12.03, Versatility=11.17, Dps=83.62, OffHandDps=3.18 )

[viral spire]

already using 2x636 one with ascendance

[fallen arch]

No

[quiet oar]

Is this a point for or against it

[normal mist]

Idk what this is but since it has pawn there... I won't take it seriously

[quiet oar]

Stat weights

[fallen arch]

Wdym? Just sim urself in raidbots?

[quiet oar]

are not a good thing

[normal mist]

I can assume you have the other emb as well to make ascension better right

[viral spire]

ye I have writhing

but they are both nerubian embellishments

[quiet oar]

Do you have enchants

on both

[viral spire]

so they both get amped

yes radiant power on both

[normal mist]

And are you simming patchwerk or dungeonslice?

[quiet oar]

send the link

[viral spire]

probably should change to depths

[quiet oar]

of the sim

[viral spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bmuYPFPARAGt3jPyLUFYGR

[gentle gyro]

has anyone here killed ?? Zekvir? sorta lost on how to survive that shit

[viral spire]

wait the sim is even more cursed than I thought

THE SIM IS EQUIPPING 3 EMBELLISHMENTS MAN

[subtle tundra]

change spec and play infinite tricks

[deep gyro]

I thought that would happen XD

[gentle gyro]

brann just dies with one round of tricks lol

[subtle tundra]

stiletto goes harddd

[viral spire]

ye its 0.5% less than ascendance

[zealous tundra]

I did, but I just do not know what to pursue or just wait in the game, prob too little DMG for 7 or more myths +, and farming below has low chance that I might get pants, neck or ring

[viral spire]

but if you could equip them both with writhing

[quiet oar]

[uncut knot]

!wa

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[normal mist]

Yeah imagine like stacking a bunch of dawn threads or versa ones

[viral spire]

reporting this to TC

[normal mist]

And suddenly we are playing BFA lite

[zealous tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/triFys4nJzsarpe5uPrJuX this sh1t good for what myth? as it seems they just see ivl610 and instantly disregard

[normal mist]

They don't really see you

That's the problem

[zealous tundra]

true, but how do I make them

[normal mist]

Try opening a m+ party for a +7 from batol

And check how many DPS queue in 30 secs

[quiet oar]

ye

you are 610

even i dont get fast invites

and im 620

[normal mist]

Woah calm down big dog

[quiet oar]

just too many people

There are always bigger dogs

[zealous tundra]

so the issue Is I do not know where to get freaking items xD

[onyx rock]

Queue when everyone is sleeping

[zealous tundra]

grim batol +7 30 people in 10 secs

xD

[normal mist]

True, aka never

[past panther]

ppl can’t kick you from your own key

[zealous tundra]

easy baits, easy baits

[past panther]

only brick it

[spice spire]

This is true

GB key filled quick as fuck

[onyx rock]

Well in EU Queues are kinda dead at 4-5 in the morning

[gentle gyro]

is everyone in there for the trinket or what

[normal mist]

Trinket

[spice spire]

Gale + skardyns

The hpal got a gale on our run

Was good to see

[past panther]

what’s y’all’s least fave dunge this szn?

[normal mist]

All of them

[past panther]

gb, wake or siege?

[normal mist]

Personally GB

[onyx rock]

Hate Grim but love Siege

[spice spire]

Honestly not a dawn fan.
It’s a pisslow free key.
But just pathing makes it awful

Grim

[normal mist]

Because people turn their brains off once they are inside

[quiet oar]

There is a caster trinket

[inner rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

Yeah I like wake and siege

[quiet oar]

a strength trinket

[past panther]

ya dawn and grim are tied for me

[quiet oar]

a agi trinket

a lot of rings

[past panther]

i rly like necrotic wake

[quiet oar]

There is always that one person

that doesnt follow the tank

and dies

[spice spire]

Or the tank does a silly 🙂

[quiet oar]

"i tought we go through backdoor"

[spice spire]

Or you’re an idiot like me and forget fort week

“Just fly through the door”

And pull all of it together

[fallen arch]

With ilvl 610?

[zealous tundra]

yeaps

[fallen arch]

Too little dmg for a 7 makes no sense

As sin u should bang out like, 1,5 million+ overall

Which is enough to time +10 if u are good mechanically

[gentle gyro]

i mean, depends on dungeon and pullsize

[fallen arch]

Ofc

[gentle gyro]

but yeah, roughly that ballpark

[fallen arch]

But by no means ur a bad pick for m+ now

On the contrary

[gentle gyro]

you can time it with less tbh, i have 10s in time with less than 1.5

[fallen arch]

Exactly

[gentle gyro]

the easier ones like ara kara or dawnbreaker or msits you can do easily with less

cringe tier broken shit like NW and SV, yeah you gotta blast and still wont make it cause the timer is too short

[fallen arch]

Which kinda is what m+ is supposed to be if u ask me

Last season timing wasnt an issue, surviving was an issue

[round nexus]

pretty comfy to time 10's and 11's now, im usually on top of damage as sin.

[quiet oar]

Banger

speedrun

[spice spire]

Speedrun destroy group

[quiet oar]

any%

[spice spire]

I cannot complain

I got hero track skardyns last night

But some pugs drive me nutso

[quiet oar]

I have Veteran Skardyns

But 639 Sacbrood

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

I stole from Vhispyr

[quiet oar]

Name a more iconic duo

[spice spire]

I have heroic skardyns and veteran sac 🙂

[quiet oar]

You stole it from whisp?

[spice spire]

Ye

Triple rogue group

[quiet oar]

I got a champion sac as Warbound

Damn im sorry for you

he will haunt you in your dreams now

[spice spire]

Lowest ilvl rogue got trinket

My time here is limited

[quiet oar]

You mean the cutest one

[spice spire]

Nah @ember mural was there too

So third cutest rogue got it :/

[quiet oar]

what wouldve been funnier

tbjh

of doz and you got skardyns

but whisp didnt

[spice spire]

Hpal got gale

So it was kind of a pog run

[quiet oar]

Pog

This dungeon

Has so many items

its unreal

Like there is also a Strength trinket

[round nexus]

you guys tried 12's yet? It's like meeting a brick wall after doing 11 😄

[quiet oar]

No thanks

im fine depleting 9s and 10s with my guild

[spice spire]

Hell yeah Tira

[round nexus]

10's are pretty hard step up from 9, but 12 is insane coming from 11

[quiet oar]

Well

9 to 10

is tyrcannical or fortified added

and 11 to 12 is 20% dmg and health added

on top of the normal scaling

so kind of expected

tbh

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

But