assassination

[keen spruce]

overweight ferret

i didn't mean it

ily

[spice spire]

[still stirrup]

looks like atrocity

[slim pebble]

I didnt think atrocity had this

[still stirrup]

it does

[slim pebble]

fuck I may have to get that one back

[still stirrup]

he customized it a bit it seems

[earnest remnant]

i use my own customized version of atrocity

i fiddle with it

move shit around

remove / add stuff

[willow cloud]

When do we expect a balance patch post race?

[grim vigil]

guys i have 800k dps on ovinax 613 ilvl, dogshit, can someone check the log and maybe help? there must be something i fuck up
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WmPMFHr3d8QkbChA#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=16

[slate crown]

!guide you're deathmark+KB'ing too early without setting up snd and envenom first

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

guide has the opener sequence^

there may be more but that's what I see in the first few seconds

[foggy jasper]

Does chaos brand affect our posien damage?

[fleet pagoda]

yep. nature is magic

specifically nature in game. nature irl is lame, avoid the grass

[grim vigil]

do you fit in a envenom before using deathmark Kb for the 30% increase poison apply beforehand?

[slate crown]

Yes

you want envenom and snd applied before going into your cds

[willow cloud]

Will FB overtake DS at any normally achieved crit %? I pretty consistently sim higher in FB talents over DS, and don't understand why.

[lethal onyx]

do we macro CB with a specific ability?

[runic hinge]

Can with envenom

[fallen arch]

We don’t spec CB

[lethal onyx]

is that a cult

[slow tulip]

its better not to, cuz you want to use it at specific times, but if you are not a min maxer - send on CD i guess

[fallen arch]

It’s not a cult, it’s just better not to run it

[honest needle]

can rogues still soothe ?

or no

[fallen arch]

Shiv soothes yes

But it’s awkward to hold it because it’s also baked into rotation

[lethal onyx]

u drop it for er or just play the other build

[honest needle]

@cunning needle im decent at both i wanna kno what spec is actaully best for dmg for aoe and st

i enjoy both specs

[fallen arch]

With Deathstalker u dont get cb

[slow tulip]

you play CB with fatebound and noone is playing fatebound( but me)

[lethal onyx]

forgot about the capstone

[honest needle]

and do u guys run 2 vanish for m+ or naw ?

[lethal onyx]

amen

[fallen arch]

Hell fucking no

[slow tulip]

ive seen zero using 2x vanish

but usually no

[honest needle]

ok and how far ahead is deathstalker over fatebound is it still only like 1-2 percent ?

[fallen arch]

Only if u wanna pad like crazy on big pulls

[fallen arch]

They’re pretty close i think

Deathstalker is just way more interesting to me

And I think prio damage is better but not sure

[honest needle]

I just feel out single target is horrendous. My friend dont wanna take me to keys cause my singletarget is bad but my aoe is amazing

[slow tulip]

for me its behind 1% and usually pulls ahead with higher IL and more crit, BUT thats not the reason you play it

[fallen arch]

And thats mostly what matters for m+

[slow tulip]

it has prio dmg and better defs

[fallen arch]

It’s not that bad

[honest needle]

o its pretty bad

[slow tulip]

for m+ its bad

[honest needle]

ya for m+

im talking about

[slow tulip]

for raid its same or better depending on your gear and crit

[fallen arch]

It’s not ‘we’re not timing keys’ bad

[honest needle]

my friend dont even wanna take me to 10s because of it

[slow tulip]

ive played both a lot in m+, DS is just better in any way

St, prio, defs etc

[honest needle]

even tho im doing 1,2- 1.5 mill overall

not sure if thats good or bad

[slow tulip]

its ok

[steel ridge]

Get new friends cause assa slams in keys

[slow tulip]

ive done all 11s with FB and with DS

but ds is just better

[honest needle]

let me ask how much overal should i be doing at 614 ilvl ?

[slow tulip]

1m+ give or take

[steel ridge]

1.5

[slow tulip]

im doing 1,4-1,6 at 621

[honest needle]

ok so if im doing 1.2 to 1.4 mill then im good espcially if tanks never let me stealth

[slow tulip]

i mean you are - but ppl are elitists, so optics matter more

than the actual performance

xd

[honest needle]

tru i do miss and love outlaw as well i like sin better for the aoe rotation it just feels so good

[dim mural]

There are so many variables to overall dmg tho..

[honest needle]

but i think outlaw is much better for single target

[slow tulip]

outlaw may be better for pugs btw

[steel ridge]

it is

[slow tulip]

its more pug friendly from what ive seen

[visual vault]

the hitbox of big bois before the first boss in mists is kinda small isnt it? ive been having a hard time hitting them while avoiding the black stuff on the floor.

[honest needle]

problem is my sin weapon is 619 ilvl my outlaw weapon is only 597

[fallen arch]

Thats crazy

[slow tulip]

craft a 636 bruv

[fallen arch]

Your friend is nuts

[honest needle]

u think i can do good dmg still as outlaw with a 597 weapon if im 612 overal as outlaw ?

[fallen arch]

This is at 607 ilvl

In a +8 mists

[slow tulip]

just craft a weap bruv

[honest needle]

dont have currency yet

im farming it

[steel ridge]

Just loot warp blade

[honest needle]

huh

[fallen arch]

Ye its kinda annoying

[honest needle]

u think i can still do good and high overal still with a 597 weapon tho in the mean time ?

[steel ridge]

No

[slow tulip]

doubt

[fallen arch]

Sin is fine in pugs

[honest needle]

im debating if i make my dagger 636 or my outlaw weapon

[fleet pagoda]

surprised we're thinkin there's more value than iron wire in pugs

[visual vault]

do we just accept that tiny daggers just wont reach them as to not give healers a bad time kek

bring back acrobatic strikes 😦

[fallen arch]

Nah

No need just play gud

[steel ridge]

Depends if your tank knows about it

[fleet pagoda]

why?

[honest needle]

the first thing we recraft to 636 once we have enough is weapon 100 percent right ?

[steel ridge]

If you dont raid mythic. Probably

[visual vault]

this is a problem

[honest needle]

cause i just got enough to recraft a peice of gear

u need 95 right i got 95 total

[steel ridge]

90

[honest needle]

o shit 5 extra

since i alrdy have 619 crafted should i just make my outlaw weaon 636 and keep my sin 1 619 for now if imma play both

[slow tulip]

sounds good

[steel ridge]

I got my runed crest finished yesterday so i got the discount on alts

Pretty comfy

[honest needle]

what runed crest ?

u talking about

[steel ridge]

Alt is now 615 with 606 staff waiting for 90 m crest

[honest needle]

my alt warrior is only 598 whats the fastest way to get gear

to get caught up faster delves ?

[steel ridge]

8 delves

[honest needle]

'with keys tho right

i dont got anymore leys

keys*

[steel ridge]

slacking

you could have had like 20 keys

full 606

with discount 619

Just with delves

[royal lantern]

you think im doing shity weekly stuff on alts when i could do GB run #37 for trinket instead?

• fuck alts

i rather play other games

[steel ridge]

Bruh just loot it

[royal lantern]

run #38 will be it for sure

[steel ridge]

Surely

[royal lantern]

it wont turn into a "58 runs for a single nick of time" again

[steel ridge]

got it on run 8 or something

[royal lantern]

100%

[steel ridge]

maybe 10 i didnt count

Dont wanna be driven insane

[honest needle]

@steel ridge what are u talking about discount 619 and how are u getting so many keys ?

for your alt

[royal lantern]

its funny, im allready past the "im fucking annoyed" point on runs

they just happen

[steel ridge]

you get 4 keys per week

• renown rewards. World quest fragments

[honest needle]

ya i dont got time for that on alts i work 65 hrs aweek

i just need most tiem efficient way to get my alt geared

[steel ridge]

Well thats in the past now anyway

[honest needle]

what does renown reward give u ?

[sage basin]

You're saying your friend isn't taking you to keys cause of your single target damage and you're swapping to warrior? lol

[steel ridge]

was like 1 hour per week maintenance

[honest needle]

no warrior is my alt

for tanking

for fun

[balmy condor]

[sage basin]

f

[royal lantern]

remove the 639 weapon with a 619 one in offhand and add a 606 neck and its me

idk what it is with loot this expansion

[steel ridge]

Once you have all slots 619 on your main, all alts get a 33% crest discount on upgrading

[loud crater]

Hi, im new here so happy to learn more about rogue

[royal lantern]

had frking 606 boots until 1 day ago cus nothing ever dropped

and a guildmate could trade some

[honest needle]

@steel ridge really

[royal lantern]

like ffs

[fleet pagoda]

!guide hey bud, hope you have fun with it. this would probably be a good place to start

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[steel ridge]

Yes

[steel ridge]

I had 3 606 pieces for reclear 3 yesterday

[royal lantern]

but hey, we went into mythic because everyone was here for once->mythic head piece

[loud crater]

thank so much, im improving my english also , but im reading the things you are writing but im so confused

[royal lantern]

so its something

[steel ridge]

But now i am juiced up, 623. ready to get fucked at ovinax prog

[royal lantern]

618

[honest needle]

@steel ridge i sent u a pm but ya i think im a bit off of getting all my slots 619

[royal lantern]

neck/trinket hold me back so hard

[honest needle]

ya i still got a veteran neck i never see necks drop

[vale lantern]

I just need an upgrade trinket like whispyr. 😦

[steel ridge]

Crafted 636 neck now, cba

Got crafted ring aswell, cause rng had me like…

[vale lantern]

Havnt done my third crafted yet thats a project for Tuesday

[steel ridge]

here take that socketed wrist and waist you dumb rogue

[fleet pagoda]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

[honest needle]

does anyone have a few to come talk to me in voice channel for a sec i got a few question and dont really wanna type shit out

[steel ridge]

Dunno about your gear or crest spending, cannot help i guess

[fleet pagoda]

I hope that's useful to you, I only speak english so I don't know if that will help. if not, I'm sorry! 🫡

[honest needle]

its not about that

[steel ridge]

its about minmaxing a limited timegated resource

[honest needle]

its about rotation stuff

[loud crater]

haha no worrys mate , i was confused with the things that the boys are talking like changed the weapon 639 for 619

[fleet pagoda]

oh sure lol. I think he meant that as a comparison between his own gear/ilvl's and the person he was responding to. not a suggestion to reduce his ilvl for something

[loud crater]

ohh get it , i ll like to speak very well english to undertand every thing but its awesome how the people meet here to talk aboit it

[honest needle]

can u use 2 crafted weapons ?

[fleet pagoda]

yeah, if you must

[honest needle]

well i have a 619 crafted right now and a 606 in my offhand and now im able to craft a 636

[molten echo]

How do you get gemslot on crafted waist? (W/o vault) Is there a buckle something like previous expansions?

[fleet pagoda]

rng, I think the clasp or whatever from DF was for stam

[steel ridge]

Luck

[molten echo]

Really? The craft can proc gemslot? Damn.

[honest needle]

so sisnce my offahnd is 606 should i just craft a 636 and use 2 crafted wepaons or just upgrade my 619 and wait for a hero dagger for off hand d?

[fleet pagoda]

big ilvl is good for mainhand. offhand is only as valuable as like an armor slot

[steel ridge]

No

[loud crater]

can we use to crafted weapon ? i saw a lot of people with 1 craft and off hand from raid

[royal lantern]

yes

[steel ridge]

Luck out that your vault is so bad you get to take socket

[royal lantern]

but why would you

offhand doesnt matter really

[molten echo]

Hahah alright

[honest needle]

ya so in that case i just upgrade my 619 to 636 and keep using my 606 offhand then

for now

i just wanna get all my gear to 619 so i get discount on alts

[steel ridge]

You wasted 60 runed right there

[honest needle]

how

what u mean

[steel ridge]

not the end of the world, bit it will set you back a little

[honest needle]

what did i waste ?

[steel ridge]

606 - 619 - 636 vs 606 - 636

[fallen arch]

Wasting 60 runed is no joke

At this point in season

[honest needle]

no i been had my 619 dagger crafted for 2 weeks now

i just wanna upgrade it

[quiet oar]

same

[steel ridge]

still the same math

[honest needle]

i dont understand how i wasted anything

[shy pecan]

If the 619 was from the story mode quest, then nothing was wasted

[fleet pagoda]

you're fine. it's okay to use the runes to upgrade gear, it's why it's there

[steel ridge]

Read

[molten echo]

Because if you didnt craft 619, you would’ve used 0 runed crests

[quiet oar]

Runed crest is 45

the enchanted one

[steel ridge]

True

then 45

[honest needle]

o well ya but we were pushing content and the 619 crafted was better then my 603 i had my dmg went up alot

[quiet oar]

and you waste "only" 15 if you upgrade a 613 weapon

thats 9 end of dungeon

[steel ridge]

but its 60 to go from 606 to 619

[quiet oar]

ye

from 606-619 enchanted crest is cheaper

[steel ridge]

short term vs long term

[viscid kelp]

You have to get it and I got really unlucky with drops tbh

[quiet oar]

Ye

exactly

[honest needle]

so basically i should have never crafted my 619 i should have used my champion dagger and waited to just craft my 636

[quiet oar]

Well

[steel ridge]

My vault is full, but i didnt get a neck, cloak or shoulder to drop

[quiet oar]

one 636 craft

[slow tulip]

you can also recraft your 636 weapon to get a free 636 upgrade path for your offhand

[quiet oar]

doesnt mean you can upgrade everything for free

[slow tulip]

that will save some crests too

[steel ridge]

Atleast thats what i did

[quiet oar]

Well that is bug abuse

but yes

[fleet pagoda]

exploiters

[quiet oar]

Idk it doesnt seems that bad tbh

[honest needle]

if i recraft my current 619 mainhand to 636 it will upgrade both slots ?

[quiet oar]

No

You have to craft it without embelishment

and recraft it again to 636 with embelishment

but again

[slow tulip]

you need to recraft it again with diff missive / embelishment

[quiet oar]

its a bug

missive isnt enough

[slow tulip]

it is

thats what i did

[quiet oar]

No its not

[honest needle]

can i just recraft it and take the embelishment off it ?

[slow tulip]

well worked for me bruv

xd

[honest needle]

or i have to make a whole new 1 ?

[quiet oar]

It didnt for me

[steel ridge]

removing emb works aswell

[dawn heath]

is there any talent changes we make in m+ to have a more St focused build?

[slow tulip]

recraft it without embelishment - equip in both hands - relog

[slate crown]

Does recrafting combat gear cost acuity like profession gear does?

[quiet oar]

Yes

20

[fleet pagoda]

yeah

[quiet oar]

acuity

and for weapon

Sanctified alloy

[steel ridge]

I love resourcefulness procs on those

[quiet oar]

Ye

[steel ridge]

Yummy

[slow tulip]

[fleet pagoda]

compared to what build?

[dawn heath]

this build does so ass st

[honest needle]

ok so take embelishet off then recraft it with the embelishment apply it to both slots then log out ?

[fleet pagoda]

seems ok for me

[steel ridge]

Well, but you carry prio dmg in packs

Gotta fill your role

[dawn heath]

its only "ok" if u have bl and the boss dies in like sub 2minutes

sustain dps 3-4min tyrannical kill

[slow tulip]

recraft your current weapon with no embelishment / diff one - equip it in both hands - relog - recraft it back to whatever you wanted in the first place

[dawn heath]

energy starved for minutes

[waxen oyster]

its sin

[steel ridge]

by design

dont spam

[waxen oyster]

why are you acting like starvation isnt normal

[fleet pagoda]

how low of st are you guys tossin up on bosses in these dungeons to be in despair on it

[dawn heath]

i just started playing the class

[steel ridge]

let envenom do some work

[slow tulip]

1 mil + is ok for ST in M+

[dawn heath]

im used to having 80 apm

this spec is so slow

[waxen oyster]

yeah outlaw exists

[steel ridge]

its good that its slow

[dawn heath]

i really enjoy assa in aoe rotation

[steel ridge]

its perfect

[dawn heath]

when u have infinite energyt

but st

is turbo sleeper

[waxen oyster]

idk this sin is quite fast

[steel ridge]

assa currently is gorgeous

[waxen oyster]

try ago poison sin

if you want slow

[rotund oak]

its because it doesnt rly have the ST nodes.imp gar/CT/SD/IC all for spreading and juicing from bleeds.Zoldycks and arterial precision is where the ST dmg comes from

[dawn heath]

biggest thing for me to rewire in my brain

[waxen oyster]

ER and tea speed up the spec quite a bit

[dawn heath]

is that im used to perfect button bashing not missing a gcd

[waxen oyster]

Yeah that’s called outlaw

[toxic zephyr]

what's harder, sub or ass

[steel ridge]

none

[dawn heath]

think assa is the easiest spec but all 3 specs are fairly hard

[honest needle]

why doesnt sim want me to use my spyglass trinket can someone see if they can make this sim better i have so much damn gear in my bags i dont kno what to disenchant https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/36JBbF3umU8V9nb65VoMuT

[fleet pagoda]

that's pretty subjective. sub's harder to me

[honest needle]

i think sub is harder alot harder

[cunning needle]

are you able to sit down for more than 5 seconds without feeling the urge to move?

[waxen oyster]

Sub is trickier to optimize

[slow tulip]

arcane is harder i think

[waxen oyster]

its not even close

[slow tulip]

other than that - no hard specs

[cunning needle]

if you cant do that then assi is harder

[quiet oar]

Without DM its not huge true

with DM its good

[cunning needle]

if you can do that then assi is easier

[waxen oyster]

yeah idk a mil st is still good

[quiet oar]

ye

[toxic zephyr]

u gotta stand still on sub?

[dawn heath]

doing 1mil ST on a boss in a key is pretty unlikely

unless its sub 2min or u have bl

[fleet pagoda]

at 614 that's a tall order, yeah

[waxen oyster]

well 614 isnt that high rn

[mystic kettle]

Managed to get really lucky with trinkets. Still new to all this sim stuff. I just roll out with the top versions as that's the best for raid? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bZrTk7Ndoac2CUxBp4rm76

[quiet oar]

Btw

Is someone else dumbo and always messes his Deathmark up in keys

[slow tulip]

1 mil is fine, im doing it with 622 il

[quiet oar]

and doesnt open with ambush

[cunning needle]

okay you dont have to call me out like that

far out

[dawn heath]

some bosses i do 1 mil some bosses i do 700k

[quiet oar]

My muscle memory always wants to open with garrot

[dawn heath]

like for example

[rotund oak]

u dont belong here

thats why

[dawn heath]

mist 2nd boss

im doing 700-800k tops

[quiet oar]

Best thing is tanks tend to chain pull

[steel ridge]

I got myself a WA saying „ambush you fool“

[quiet oar]

when this happens

[quiet oar]

???

I was always a three spec player

[rotund oak]

u should be 1.2-1.3 territory

[slow tulip]

ye esp bosses with phases like siege

[quiet oar]

wdym

[dawn heath]

1.2-1.3mil XD?

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

I dont need that

ill learn it the hard way

[slow tulip]

[steel ridge]

sap is cooked

dont ever listen to sap

[quiet oar]

Always has been

[waxen oyster]

if its the cc affix its easy

[dawn heath]

simming 900k btw on st will all raid ocnsumes

[waxen oyster]

you spatter off it

Yeah 900k is not that good

in full buffs

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

i thing my ST sim is 1.2 mil

[dawn heath]

thats what u sim

if u play m+ build

[quiet oar]

with ST talents

[steel ridge]

My raid sim is 1.15m with spatter talented

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i need a 639 dag

and we banging

[dawn heath]

i have a 639 dagger

[waxen oyster]

i did a funny meme so my wep upgrades are crest free

[grim vigil]

should i get 2 crafted daggers or is offhand not that important and rather get offpart thats lower ilvl

[dawn heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wcrVp9LxAvoLKFhPxU8X8z

[rotund oak]

huge

[waxen oyster]

offhand isnt important no

[fleet pagoda]

that's fine, most specs around your ilvl will be performing similar with some outliers

[dawn heath]

why does it show 613 dagger

my dagger is 639

[honest needle]

can some 1 take a look at my sim above and see if they can make it betteer?

[rotund oak]

not updated most likely

[dawn heath]

i just imported the code from simc

ing

[rotund oak]

makes no sense

[waxen oyster]

i need literally any trinket to drop at 613

[fleet pagoda]

offhand is same value as any non-mainhand/trinket slot

[waxen oyster]

so i can leave the sub 620 pleb club

sitting on runeds waiting for a trinket

zzzzz

[dawn heath]

void reaper contract stinks

send help

need to replace it

[quiet oar]

Wait you dont have Broodsac at 639?

[waxen oyster]

its good

[waxen oyster]

i have double 606

[dawn heath]

amazing trinket for m+

[waxen oyster]

fr sitting on runeds to send to 619

[dawn heath]

1% of my dmg!!!

[waxen oyster]

wait its good for the other spec

I did a very funny meme

where i dont have to pay any crests to upgrade my offhand or ring 2 to 636

[tawdry crypt]

Hello sin players, in keys after initial garrotes and ruptures wear off in a trash pack, are you manually applying bleeds again, blowing vanish to reapply, or just not re applying to anything but main target and letting splatter and tempest do the damage

[quiet oar]

Ye its a bug

[waxen oyster]

is it no longer nda

[quiet oar]

idk

we talked about it in wow general

on thursday

i guess

[waxen oyster]

[molten echo]

Depends how long they will live.

[waxen oyster]

now wait for wowhead to make a clickbait article

[grim vigil]

authority of radiant power is best enchant tho right?

[quiet oar]

I let it fall off in my 9/10 keys

and just spatter and tempest

[molten echo]

If it’s 5+ targets expected to live another 20+ sec i’d prob vanish spread again

[fleet pagoda]

that is the suggested enchant for m+ enjoyers. depths is fine too if you'd rather have that for raid. both are fine

[waxen oyster]

depends what you're asking for

[rotund oak]

for m+ ye

for st depths

[tawdry crypt]

Less than 20 seconds you just ignore?

[grim vigil]

at the moment i have rank 3 power on mainhand and rank 2 depths on offhand, wanna go 2 power but if yall say sumn else i dont spend 30k and just leave depths on oh

[molten echo]

Well it’s a play by ear thing i guess

[tawdry crypt]

Yeah 9/10s are whatever. Trying to figure out how to play sin in push keys for next week's

[grim vigil]

im new to sin sry for dumb question, but i do 11 keys already i love this spec

[quiet oar]

I mean if you dont lose Deathmark

you can use vanish for that

[fleet pagoda]

should be ok you can always sim it too

[grim vigil]

yea ill sim if i had 2 power rn

one more thing, is there a haste sweet spot? or should i just get gud and manage energy better

[rotund oak]

no sweet spots,sim urself

[fleet pagoda]

there is not sweet spot for anything. also a sim angle

[waxen oyster]

ask simcraft

haste does nothing for energy

[grim vigil]

well sim doensnt want me to have haste

im at 7%

[waxen oyster]

actually you might get 1 more energy per second for like a buttload of haste

[grim vigil]

but it feels weird

[waxen oyster]

bro you remember your %s?

[rotund oak]

you know the answer then

[waxen oyster]

i just wear what the robot says

[quiet oar]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[quiet oar]

!haste

hmm

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[quiet oar]

!

There it is

[waxen oyster]

im fr impressed by people

[fleet pagoda]

skynet would never steer you wrong. trust robobro

[waxen oyster]

who bother to remember their stat percents

well except outlaw

dumbass haste tax

[rotund oak]

its nothing special to remember ur stats

[royal lantern]

that shit is so stupid lol

[rotund oak]

its weird to be obsessive over them though

[royal lantern]

straight up wotlk/cata stat bs lol

[rotund oak]

yup

[fleet pagoda]

you guys can remember stuff? 👴

[waxen oyster]

also @quiet oar i "accidentally" recrafted my myth crafted ring

total accident

we pray for another one

[slate crown]

Nah I can’t remember shit

[waxen oyster]

even enchants tbh

honestly part of me wants to argue just play depths

because if you need to ask the question your gameplay likely has a bunch of room for improvement

and depths leaves less dps agency in player hands

[loud hearth]

To remember your stats means you have to have looked at your stat pane.

Just equip gear and play, trust the robot.

[quiet oar]

well tbf that was a real accident for me

because i recrafted my gear for sin

and switched embels

[waxen oyster]

i totally didnt just

[quiet oar]

thats where i discovered it

[fleet pagoda]

[quiet oar]

[waxen oyster]

immediately send a recraft

30 seconds after the initial

[quiet oar]

same

[waxen oyster]

i have 1 authority and 1 depths

but thats because i enchanted the first one week 1

and cba paying 40k

for a minor situational gain

if any at all

[rotund oak]

in DS depths is like .4-.5-ish behind radiant power

maybe a bit less

didnt sim it lately but ye

whatever

[waxen oyster]

although not sure what embellish you're playing for multispec tira

ascendance seems kinda shit for 2/3 specs

[rotund oak]

dawnthread

ofc

passive crit

[waxen oyster]

getting haste or mastery proc as outlaw

proccing haste as sub

[rotund oak]

[steel ridge]

i just put focusing lense on both and be done... its so minor anyway

[waxen oyster]

yep

[rotund oak]

based

ye

lens is cool

[quiet oar]

Ascendence

and writhing

because sin st

[steel ridge]

its just somewhat free dmg in the vicinity of at most 2%

[waxen oyster]

i feel thats only good for sin

[quiet oar]

yes

and ill prog bosses as sin rn

so

[waxen oyster]

ngl lens being good

[quiet oar]

but embels are whatever

[waxen oyster]

is just a sign this class stinks

and embels suck

[steel ridge]

i cannot put writhing on neck/ring

sadly

nor dawnthread

[waxen oyster]

pvpers using ascendance is funnier to me

ahh yes let me proc crit in pvp

[steel ridge]

sooooo fuck embellishents and put them in the corner they belong

irrelevant cantrip stuff

[waxen oyster]

i have one lens one duskthread

cba recraft

[steel ridge]

20 acruity my ass

need those knowledgepoints and recipes!

[waxen oyster]

also

non guild crafters

rip you off

for pressing a button

[steel ridge]

luckily i can craft almost everything i need myself

[steel ridge]

its not just pressing a button, its maintaining the profession, doing all the weeklies every week etc.

commie

[rotund oak]

if its not a wpn u wanna craft-recraft its irrelevant cost man

like 20-30k u craft it once and be done

[waxen oyster]

man weapon cost me like

almost 100k

for the alloys

[rotund oak]

ye ik

[steel ridge]

i hate it when people say "its just pressing a button" when i fly around for hours on 4 characters collecting weekly treasures

[rotund oak]

a wpn craft can vary to 150k

[waxen oyster]

what weekly treasures

arent the knowledge treasures one time

[steel ridge]

knowledgepoints

[runic hinge]

There’s weekly ones

[slate crown]

Some of them are one time

[steel ridge]

no there are 2 weekly treasures per profession

[slate crown]

Others are not

[steel ridge]

awarding 2-4 knowledgepoints

[waxen oyster]

did that change from df

[slate crown]

It takes like 10-20 minutes per week

No

[steel ridge]

no

[slate crown]

That’s always been there

[steel ridge]

that has been in df aswell

[waxen oyster]

df had profession weeklies

i thought

not treasures

[steel ridge]

both

[slate crown]

They had both

Now no more weeklies, just treasures, but now we have NPC orders

[steel ridge]

so next time you tell your tradechat fellow crafter "its just a button" you can kindly f off :b

[slate crown]

Well

We have the consortium weekly

[steel ridge]

instead say "thanks for your service, here is 5k gold"

[waxen oyster]

oh i dont tell them shit

[steel ridge]

[waxen oyster]

i meant the 10-20k mfs though

5 is like normal

[steel ridge]

dude, i sniped a 20k public order yesterday

its just a perspective thing

[waxen oyster]

20k public

[steel ridge]

in times when ring enchant costs 18k

[waxen oyster]

you can't gurantee quality on that stuff

[rotund oak]

someone mad be out of his mind

[slate crown]

Well

[fleet pagoda]

pvpers don't gaf

[rotund oak]

u can spam on trade 10k fee

and army will come begging

[steel ridge]

ye, the madlad was lucky i got it first and delivered his 636

[waxen oyster]

wait

he did a public for a 636

?????

[steel ridge]

pvpers do 100g public orders

[steel ridge]

yes

you gotta widen your view on the world brother

[waxen oyster]

the only things i do public

are enchanted crests

because any mf will pick those up

[slate crown]

There’s somewhat of a gate in that if you put embel or crest on an item, it requires that the crafter have invested knowledge points to be able to do that, which tends to lean at least towards some level of crafting skill

[steel ridge]

the world is full of people who dont nerdgasm over .1% embellishemnt gains

and i reckon they have more fun than you do

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean there's specializations now

[steel ridge]

yoloing a public order with 100k mats and 20k comission is something else

[waxen oyster]

the common slots are a bit easier to find

[slate crown]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

i.e bracers boots

capes

rings

[slate crown]

Public order like that is wild

[steel ridge]

i usually recommend people to give me 5-10k depending on their situation and what the deem fair

and tip it off with "gigachads give 15k tho"

[dawn heath]

think im beginning to learn sin

[waxen oyster]

5k if mats are like 4k

[rotund oak]

thats the reasonable territory

[waxen oyster]

is pretty fair imo

[dawn heath]

1.7mil overall in mist 9

getting there

[steel ridge]

and some people hold their reputation so high, they just tip 20k regardless

and i am like "ye thank you very much kind sir"

[fleet pagoda]

i always say no tip and get like 10k some reverse psychology at play or something

[rotund oak]

good number,can even go higher,but good

[steel ridge]

yes, ever since i started doing lower prices and call it "recommendation" i had alot better results

when you just go "its 10k bozo" you get the "lolololo" answers

most just take the middle and do 7,5k

[waxen oyster]

to me it also depends how much the mats cost

[steel ridge]

and then i reap the 20k resourcefulnes proc

[waxen oyster]

like 15-20k makes more sense for a weapon where the mats cost 100

[rotund oak]

gave 5k for my wrist craft,10k for waist

that boy is mine now,ill send all my recrafts for 5-10k

[steel ridge]

whats the difference?

[waxen oyster]

the nastiest shit i saw once

was in df

[rotund oak]

waist was a bigger upgrade,material wise think it ws the same

[waxen oyster]

some guy got half the enchanting mats from making the fyralath item back

off a proc

didnt they completely kill off multicraft though

super cringe for alch

[steel ridge]

aight, i think you gotta tip tailoring more than leatherworking and leatherworking more than blacksmithing

cause how the material refunds accumulate

tailoring is balls for refunds, the mats are worth nothing

leather is mid

and blacksmith is a goldmine

if i am gonna camp tradechat, its on my blacksmith

[waxen oyster]

dude anything related to mining or blacksmithing

[steel ridge]

the others are just not worth it

[waxen oyster]

is so fucked rn

[steel ridge]

well, blacksmithing is so expensive because of the null stones

[waxen oyster]

yeah.....

[steel ridge]

everything related to null stones is

[waxen oyster]

or marbled stones

[fleet pagoda]

bismuth is still worth a lot too

[steel ridge]

which is fine, its a scarce ressource that cannot be created out of thin air like blasphemites

[waxen oyster]

also

fucking

[tawdry sedge]

Friends, i have crafted a dagger with the chance to proc some dmg, not ascedance, while i also wear a belt with dawnthread. Question is, can i craft a 2nd dawnthread or i am capped in embelishments?

[waxen oyster]

profaned tinderbox

why is this thing so rare

again

[steel ridge]

i have no idea

that thing is crazy

[fleet pagoda]

you can have only two emblishments equipped at a time. so you have two already***

[rotund oak]

ive got my mage for tailor,ye its basicly how it should work.Dawweave/duskweaves or back/wrist/waist/boots craft are kind of weird. Ive got some resourcefulness and all my upgraaded tools enchanted and still its a pain

[steel ridge]

my mage is tailor aswell, mostly for myself and guild

cause public orders dont yield much

[rotund oak]

ive got my mage tailor/enchanter(wpn enchants) and im generating so much gold/acuity now

its funny

[steel ridge]

got alchemy on all characters and its basically the acruity generator

since i didnt spend much on it so far

[rotund oak]

only my rogue has alchemy,mage is for pvp

[steel ridge]

just leveling it on the sidelines

[waxen oyster]

alchemy points

are so fucked

[rotund oak]

why,its easy

[steel ridge]

nah its one of the easier professions to level

[waxen oyster]

the new cauldron system

is worse than df one

at least

[quiet oar]

ye

[steel ridge]

well you can do like 3 cauldrons per week

[quiet oar]

I have all Profs

[steel ridge]

r3 that is

[quiet oar]

[steel ridge]

chadmil

[quiet oar]

(not the gathering one)

[waxen oyster]

know people who say mining is a special dopamine hit

when you land 2 nullstones

from one node

[steel ridge]

that must be hella great

i liked mining in df

[tawdry sedge]

Never ever

[steel ridge]

but the environment in tww is not so pretty

its all caves n shit

[rotund oak]

mining made me hit my first 10mil threshold and toss it to warbank

[rotund oak]

bismuth account to almost 5mil from that

5k a stone

[winged widget]

nothing else in this entire expasion quite compares to it

[waxen oyster]

i mean they probably need to fix

[steel ridge]

dunno buddy, but 25k refund hits different

[waxen oyster]

profaned tinderbox and null stone rates

this might be the most expensive expac for consumes in awhile

[steel ridge]

commie

[waxen oyster]

ngl when i do a bountiful nightfall sanctum

and theres a tinderbox in the end

[quiet oar]

nothing is better than saving mats on inscription or blacksmith

ngl

[steel ridge]

i mean they probably should up the droprates slowly and a little

[waxen oyster]

9/10 times its better

than the actual chest loot

[steel ridge]

but not like they did in df with the titan orbs

what made enchants drop like 90% in a day

and wreck people

[waxen oyster]

titan orbs were also used

for only one enchant

tbf

[winged widget]

Hummm. Ok. I'm convinced

[waxen oyster]

arent tinderboxes literally used

for multiple enchants rn

i honestly dont mind weapon enchants being as expensive

[steel ridge]

i have one better

[quiet oar]

ongod

[steel ridge]

thats like a 30k refund

[waxen oyster]

like i dont know

[quiet oar]

tinderboxes are used for sacntified alloys

[balmy condor]

one more dungeon

[waxen oyster]

i think 20k for like 500 avoidance

isnt worth

[steel ridge]

slackin?

[waxen oyster]

at all

[balmy condor]

grim batol prison

[waxen oyster]

oh thanks for reminding me

[quiet oar]

Grim batol

[waxen oyster]

i need to go back in there

but i need 2 more 10s

for vault

[steel ridge]

[winged widget]

Nearly forgot the rank3 alchemical chaos multicrafts. Big extra profit gamba feelsgood

[steel ridge]

ye i will get into those aswell soon

[bitter trout]

I'm not the only one who thinks it's pure pain to do 10's all week then

[waxen oyster]

alch chaos multicraft with the freebie personal one

is kinda

[bitter trout]

Honestly should just make it so 9's give 626 vault stuff

[steel ridge]

nah

i kinda like the gear progression this patch

[quiet oar]

Well they shifted this so many times

[waxen oyster]

did they change it this expac

[quiet oar]

btw

[steel ridge]

vault is less crazy

delves are op

[waxen oyster]

to where direct dungeons drop

arent just barely below max mythic

[quiet oar]

i really dislike the 15 second death affix

[steel ridge]

mythic 6/6 is huge, but long term

[quiet oar]

I would understand the 15 seconds

[bitter trout]

+12 affix is so cringe also

[quiet oar]

if you would have checkpoints

[steel ridge]

its punishing, but thats fine for high end content

[quiet oar]

But 15 seconds per death

PLUS

[steel ridge]

last season people complained the timers are so free

[quiet oar]

walking

like what is the point

[steel ridge]

"you can literally time a key with 30 death lmao" in df

[waxen oyster]

fully upgraded hero track is a full tier behind myth track fully upgraded

[steel ridge]

now its "man i gotta walk"

[waxen oyster]

wasnt it only 6 ilvls

in df

[steel ridge]

yes

[quiet oar]

That was 1 or 2 dungeons

[steel ridge]

mythic gear is bonkers strong this season

[rotund oak]

[waxen oyster]

s2 df was so weird

with crafted gear being same ilvl

as max mythic

[balmy condor]

can you tell I've been in gb prison

[waxen oyster]

LMAO BASED

FELLOW STONEVAULT HATER

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

I don't even hate it

I have no idea what that dungeon does

cause I've not done it

[waxen oyster]

it sucks

[rotund oak]

its basicly a nice dungeon

[fleet pagoda]

i like stonevault

[rotund oak]

i like it

[steel ridge]

it exists

[fleet pagoda]

big pull dungeon

fun stuff

[quiet oar]

but stonevault is a good example

[waxen oyster]

oh apparently the degen strat in gb

[quiet oar]

like when you die

you have to walk like

[waxen oyster]

is to have your tank group up mobs

[quiet oar]

50 seconds

[waxen oyster]

and shoot them with the dragon

[rotund oak]

ye its a long way back

[quiet oar]

Ye

[waxen oyster]

but apparently you can

friendly fire your tank

with it too

[quiet oar]

Yes

let him pull everything

spam 1

[rotund oak]

i hate city of threads more idk,stupidass mobs and boss mehcanics overtuned

[quiet oar]

sacrifice him to the blood gods

second boss

[fleet pagoda]

CoT is so close to being a good dungeon too

[quiet oar]

always dashing

like

[waxen oyster]

city of threads is like

[quiet oar]

where uptime

[waxen oyster]

whoever saw cos

and decided

lets make this but worse

[quiet oar]

Well

The city of threads outside zone

is literally suramar

on wish

or temu

[rotund oak]

i think if they fix the random casts u need to interrupt and couple boss mechanics its fine

[waxen oyster]

i mean

[rotund oak]

but now it pisses me off

[waxen oyster]

that one quest hub in spider zone looks like a copy paste of zaralek caverns main hub

[fleet pagoda]

those and the walking simulator after first boss could probably use some change, but yeah after some tuning it'd probably be my favorite

[waxen oyster]

down to the niffen

[quiet oar]

Ye dying in cot

is like 1 minute flight

like what is the point of 15 second death penalty

when the way back is already 1 minute

???

[rotund oak]

still like SoB more than anything else but ive gone through intense training since bfa

cant die there

no sir

[waxen oyster]

all i know is grim batol apparently

[fleet pagoda]

at least all the danger is at the very end last two bosses and mini bosses

[waxen oyster]

every mob in there

fucks the tank

exceptionally hard

oh and pugs for some reason have a tendency

to pull the sleeping dragon

by third boss

[fleet pagoda]

🫡 I was very anti-SoB a week ago but we're cool now. I'd still like some improved clarity on that second boss' effects

[waxen oyster]

i like sob besides

i had 2 10 pugs for it bricked

by tank dying to wave

[rotund oak]

u mean the crazy admiral btch

ye ricochet is deadly

[quiet oar]

the last boss

is just dogshit

[waxen oyster]

also the fire dot on second boss

[quiet oar]

and who ever thought it a good boss to design

can fuck off

[waxen oyster]

i dont remember it eating my asshole

in bfa

[rotund oak]

the octopus is kinda whatever

[fleet pagoda]

is that meldable if you're first in line?

[glacial scroll]

Just want to make sure cause im small brained. I currently use belt/wrist embellishments.

I am about to craft a dagger, and so I should do so with no embellishment but missive is ok?

[rotund oak]

u can vanish it

and break the cast

[waxen oyster]

i dont remember the dot on last boss hitting that hard in bfa

[rotund oak]

idk if u can meld it anymore

[fleet pagoda]

yah no emblishment. you can always add/remove them later too

[glacial scroll]

alright cool tyvm

[fleet pagoda]

good tech ty

[waxen oyster]

the seasonal affix sucks

[rotund oak]

its whatever for me

[royal lantern]

you mean the niffen town looks like a....niffen town....?

[waxen oyster]

why are there niffen towns

in spider people zone

[rotund oak]

coz moles do niffen stuff bruh

[fleet pagoda]

the casting orbs were ok. i had a ara kara earlier today where the moving orbs spawned during last boss' suck ability, felt pretty lame

[waxen oyster]

i dont read a single quest

i dont know why we're fighting a weird spider queen

besides assassinated parent

[royal lantern]

then why do you care

if you dont care

lol

[waxen oyster]

idk i thought i was back in zaralek caverns

with how that thing is a direct copy

[royal lantern]

that looks like complaining for the sake of it rn

[quiet oar]

True

[rotund oak]

arakara is cool dungeon,i like it

[waxen oyster]

whoever designed arakara

never played melee

and it shows

[royal lantern]

4orbs spawning inside a add on the 3rd GB boss 3seconds before he does his knockback

very fun

very well tested affix

[rotund oak]

true alot of stuff is rly melee unfriendly

[waxen oyster]

is ok

we'll reduce melee range

while keeping hitboxes small

[rotund oak]

i find it funy that in arakara we need to stand below the spider minibosses before the 1st boss

and be hit from spider webs

not cringe at all

[waxen oyster]

we need to bring back m+ dungeons from not even 3 expansions ago because we're not creative

but to spice it up let's add new mechanics

[rotund oak]

i think ret paladins are still a good take to main coz shield just soaks all the stupid-potential-lethal mechanics and still do dmg

[quiet oar]

dude

the gorillas

in mists

before first boss

there voidzone is bigger than their hitbiox

!??!?!?!

[rotund oak]

always was wasnt it

thats why tanks need to move them

[quiet oar]

Ara kara last boss

needs to be nerfed imo

Impossible to pug this boss with more than 1 melee

[rotund oak]

its all gonna be in a while dw

[waxen oyster]

ngl

[blazing pumice]

i suspect there is probably tech

[waxen oyster]

last boss of siege without multiple dwarves

[blazing pumice]

with the way you are facing

[waxen oyster]

feels so much worse

[blazing pumice]

with the poison

that people will figure out

[quiet oar]

i doubt

that manes

[blazing pumice]

you just have everyone facing the same direction

ez gaming

[quiet oar]

they need to reduce it to 3 poisons

and its fine

[storm hedge]

I had 5 melee comp do ara-kara 9 last week.

It's possible.

[quiet oar]

Ye

but how long did it take to kill the boss

because uptime

[storm hedge]

There are worse bosses

[quiet oar]

is definitely an issue

[rotund oak]

bloodworkers

do it

[blazing pumice]

9 isn't tyrannical tho

[gusty pewter]

I have a question, what are the best stats to play assa in m+ and sublety in raid for crafted items?

[storm hedge]

Last week it was

[quiet oar]

last week

it was

[quiet oar]

who needs bloodworkers

[rotund oak]

sub is vers/mast sin doesnt care alot but crit mast

[quiet oar]

just step/grapple

[rotund oak]

i just press toxic throw thingy once and step on the pool but ive done only on 8

thought trinket was cool

but it sucks

cba

[storm hedge]

I'd much rather be killing the last Ara boss then the last CoT boss

[quiet oar]

nah

[spring stream]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[quiet oar]

CoT Boss is an absolute joke

if you ahve a decent healer

just walk as a group

and use defensive

[rotund oak]

cot last boss its mostly tank issue

run away from orb path

its all that matters