assassination

[shell kraken]

So my guild are mid HC in progress and thinking about using wowheads BIS-list or statsprio as rolling-rule. That is, I’m not allowed to roll on +ilvl item if it ’s not on the bis-list / dosn’t have crit/mastery as secondary.

I would argue that stats weighing for assasin more based on my current composition and ilvl is more importent that exactly the right item or crit/mastery as secondary. Especially right now when we are in a gearing up phase.

Am I wrong and should just fall in-line or is the proposed rule abit ”off” atleast for our specc?

[subtle tundra]

yea if my guild said something like that i'd gquit

so i cant help you

[keen spruce]

A bis list literally doesn’t apply to you if you’re doing heroic

Cuz a BIS list is myth track

[thorn crater]

dawnbreaker trinket prettyy good item

[shell kraken]

Yes. But they are aguing that it translate direclty to HC

[keen spruce]

There might be some overlap, but it does not

The bis list is literally just a Wowhead requirement for guide writers

You guys could easily just use droptimizer to see what the biggest upgrades are for everyone

Given their current gear

Also stat prio is not a real thing for assas

It changes constantly based the gear you’re currently wearing

[vocal minnow]

elusiveness and blade and switch stack for evasion right?

[rotund oak]

yeah its a good trinket

[shell kraken]

Well that’s my pov also, but wanted to check with you guys also in case I’m wrong.

[strange python]

Ye we do droptimizer each week idk everything else seems a bit eh

[keen spruce]

Tbh your guildis just being a bunch of dumbasses with 0 understanding of how gear, stats, or upgrades work

[rotund oak]

im going skadryns+spyglass

nothing else

[strange python]

Giving loot via wowhead lists is crazy

[keen spruce]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[keen spruce]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[haughty lantern]

shmeepy

look in #1146207476983812117

also

[keen spruce]

@shell kraken just uh show them that

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[keen spruce]

Then tell your gm to come in here if they want to discuss it further

And we’ll call them a moron so u don’t get kicked

[haughty lantern]

[shell kraken]

Well thanks for support!
Is this true for more classes you think?

[normal mist]

for probably every class that is raiding heroic

[haughty lantern]

hi royal 😄

[normal mist]

since BiS lists are only BiS if you have 6/6 myth track

also you must HAVE all the items in the list for your list to be bis

Hello hello

[keen spruce]

I wouldn’t say all specs. Some are more rigid than others

Or have more set stats

But probably most

[haughty lantern]

i can't blame people for not understanding multivariable calculus.....

[normal mist]

Me neither, i was coping bis lists back in the day

[haughty lantern]

I do

send help

[spice surge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[keen spruce]

There a tool everyone in your raid can submit droptimizers and it will just show what is the e biggest upgrade for everyone

[thorn crater]

uhm

[keen spruce]

[thorn crater]

the candle trinket that gives crit

gives more crit than spyglass

i assume it proccs less often right?

[keen spruce]

I mean it’s a fine way to take a simple route to hunting for loot. Just bad for guild wide loot distribution

[spice surge]

Not necessarily, but idk i dont know what its called

[normal mist]

Ever since i learned to sim, i do not think copying a bis list is "fine" at all

[keen spruce]

well yeah

I'm using "fine" pretty loosly

[normal mist]

Yeah then okay xD

[keen spruce]

it won't brick your character or anything

it's just inefficient

[haughty lantern]

yeah

[keen spruce]

and suboptimal

[fleet pagoda]

the one that says you can share the effect? it had like 35% uptime on st when i was messing with it. pretty decent trinket

[keen spruce]

not like crafting an int dagger

[haughty lantern]

bis list + stat understanding is like a decent starting point

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

xDDD

[strange python]

Wtf is that tool called, we are doing it via droptimizer but require notes in Rclc with increases and then are checking it manually

There’s a tool that does that??? 💀

[rough oyster]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

let me find it

[strange python]

wowaudit.com

[wild birch]

It's as good as Spyglass ilvl to ilvl, it's just spyglass goes to 639 and candle maxes out at 626

[strange python]

Wowaudit works with droptimizer? I thought it just kept track of keys done etc

[strange python]

yes we use it in our guild, have to upload a droptimizer sim before each raid and it give up to date % increases for everybody against each item

[keen spruce]

i know our guild uses wowaudit

but I cant remeber if they havea different one

for the actual loot prio calculator thingy

and they took away all of my permissions so ican't see raid channels anymore

https://readycheck.io/

@strange python

u plop in a droptomizer each week ideally before raid

it organizes by boss

then u can go in and specifically mark things that you REALLY want, or upgrades that you wanna pass on for some reason

[manic pebble]

is my dps too low for st sim lvl613? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wYB1cfnRsj6GMPsLRHrTsT

[keen spruce]

so the GM has good info on what people are really needing

[west crown]

Check your talents

[keen spruce]

you're in AoE talents

on a ST sim

[manic pebble]

I wanna see how I do in ST with m+ build

[keen spruce]

oh

i mean no one really does that sim so not sure

[west crown]

Not going to give you an accurate number then

[keen spruce]

if that's a good number or not

[manic pebble]

hmm

I'll try aoe sim

[keen spruce]

dungeon slice

also

sims are really just to evaluate gear upgrades

the actual number it's spitting out

is less important

[haughty lantern]

you will NEVER perform as well as a sim

that's why it's a sim

[manic pebble]

ik

[haughty lantern]

it gives you an idea

[limber lion]

Eh

[manic pebble]

just wanna know what it looks like since I'm swapping between outlaw and sin

[keen spruce]

well

technically if you're playing correctly

you'll sometimes overperform a sim

sometimes under perform

[haughty lantern]

im in the same boat

[keen spruce]

comparing sims between specs also not SUPER helpful

[west crown]

I can hit my sim on a dummy, aka Sikran

[keen spruce]

cuz they have different damage profiles and sim setups

only gonna give you pretty rough estimates on relative performance

very rough*

think of sims

as gear evaluation tools

and really not much else

in genearl

[haughty lantern]

once i start hitting like 0.3% damage difference or lower i start caring less about sim suggestions

b/c then the variance is too little

[desert torrent]

you have to use deathmark before garrote/rupture to get good use out of it right?

[keen spruce]

no it's dynamic

[manic pebble]

ah I was about to type "I guess my full outlaw gears is not that good for sin, too much vers "

[spice surge]

It duplicates current and newly applied ones, and all of them fall of once deathmark ends

[west crown]

I am 55

[desert torrent]

oh ok thankyou

[keen spruce]

I mean there will be more optimal gear options. but it's not gonna make assas unplayable or anything

assas is very flexible on stats

[manic pebble]

I see

I think imma swap to 1 more dagger and call it a day

[keen spruce]

and if you're swappin specs, just run a droptimizer and you'll see what gear is gonna be the biggest stonks for you to swap out

[haughty lantern]

@manic pebble imma share my approach:

Outlaw and Sin both want crit and haste, but Outlaw gains dps by stacking crit and vers, but sin just wants roughly ilvl across the board

so hang onto any crit/vers pieces you get, and other than that, trinkets are the key difference. (I could yap about this for a while but lmk if you want more insight)

[balmy condor]

“Assa doesn’t care about secondaries so just get outlaw gear”

[manic pebble]

🙏 thank you for clearing my mind, I can make peace now

[haughty lantern]

last thing, I find sin to be more....stable? more consistent. I can throw on my sin gear and do good across the board, it's reliable

BUT outlaw is more fun and i like the aesthetic more.

[manic pebble]

I actually like outlaw more but I wanna be competitive, pushing high keys

[silver otter]

Hum even in a 6 things do not live long enough for sin it seems

[silver otter]

I find outlaw fine for pushing as well as sin tbh

[haughty lantern]

i like outlaw more too but it's very much a gear scenario

Outlaw rewards gameplay, sin rewards gear and timing

[manic pebble]

sitting at 2250 io and not a single soul wanna invite me in 9+ anymore

I've been sitting in lfg for 2 hours now

[silver otter]

I understand I have the same issue for 8s atm :~

[keen spruce]

9+ is everyone higher io than you + raiders farming crests and hero track gear

[silver otter]

yep

[keen spruce]

probably hundreds of people that have better resumes in that queue

[manic pebble]

[silver otter]

I'm at 21XX now

and finding groups is just pain

[cerulean compass]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[haughty lantern]

[manic pebble]

I'll try queueing as sin but then swap to outlaw before key start

[silver otter]

lol I wouldn' t do that

[keen spruce]

I would

that's what we did for most of shadowlands just the opposite

[manic pebble]

I like sin SL ss2 such banger

[keen spruce]

wait no

i mean DF

i forgot what year it was

[manic pebble]

We're in!

it works

[keen spruce]

[glacial crypt]

[eager tree]

trinket discourse is always wild

whispyr says TT is unusable in competitive comment while sin rogue uses it all challenging bosses in RWF. sac-brood is better than spyglass despite no base primary stat and haste. sims all over the place compared to guide tier lists. not complaining this is the same story for all guides. no one needs to tell me 'why', i get it. its just always wild when theres been little trinket tuning outside of delve ones and the math has stayed the same throughout beta

[keen viper]

How to setup in target icon to appear my deathstalker,kingsbane etc and on my own icon person defensives?

[slate crown]

I don't understand the question. Are you asking how to set up icons for mark/kingsbane on your UI? on nameplates?

[keen spruce]

[keen viper]

on the nameplates or unitframes is called not sure . inside the portraits if isay it correctly

[slate crown]

blud wafflin about waffles its all good

[keen spruce]

I want a waffle

[slate crown]

I think I know what you're saying and I do not know. I think BigDebuffs is an addon that does this IIRC?

You mean this thing ("Unitframe") change the picture of your player to be the Evasion icon with duration when you press evasion, right?

[keen viper]

yesssss 😄 and the target one to be my kingsbane if it is active etc

[slate crown]

Yeah take a look for Big Debuffs, I believe that's primarily a pvp addon but that's what I've seen that I think does that

but I'm not positive

[strange python]

Ty sir

[keen spruce]

yeah valid for anyone that reads wowhead guides for gearing

[keen viper]

thank you :))

[keen spruce]

[keen viper]

yes that is the one

[eager tree]

whispyr wrote this, everyone in this discord reads his pins lol

[keen spruce]

yes

[eager tree]

again not hating i get it. i just never was allowed to get the smolderon trinket as feral druid in amirdrassil even though every other feral druid chasing CE used it bc it didnt sim high, so i got to chase witherbark's balls around tindral and fyrakk

and the TT minigame seems way easier in comparison

[keen spruce]

I mean branch simmed higher for rogue too

but we all yeeted that shit too

[round spire]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[keen spruce]

when we got ashes

[slate crown]

"when"

[eager tree]

yeah everyone yeeted that shit but me cuz we did simc inputs to determine who got that trinket and it simmed less than WB and everyone and their mom used that trinket

[slate crown]

[keen spruce]

[slate crown]

Also I still remember branch fondly

I liked the bloops

I liked the orbs

[keen spruce]

yeah but it simmed lower than branch for bsaically everyone

[slate crown]

I was a thirsty rogue

[keen spruce]

maybe they just didn't trust a dudu

[slate crown]

they were good boys they floated to me

[balmy condor]

TT is unusable, they were complaining about it legit all race. They just don’t have any alternative, and it’s much better on sub, which they played on and off for the whole race. They don’t have time to farm skardyns, and skardyns is realistically the only alternative.

Sac-brood procs primary stat so I have actually no idea what you’re talking about

Sims are not all over the place compared to guide tier lists, they’re actually quite similar.

Just because you can’t rub your brain cells together doesn’t mean the lists are incorrect or there’s “trinket discourse” happening

[eager tree]

branch was agi trinket, any dps could use smolderon

[keen spruce]

I loved my stick

but on tindral it made me wanna claw my eyes out

[eager tree]

yea same

[keen spruce]

[eager tree]

and fyrakk

last phase

eeshn

[keen spruce]

I wasn't usin stick once we got to fyrakk but yeah looked kinda wack

[eager tree]

sorry you took it personally whispyr, i thought i had about 15 diff clauses in there stating i understand the discourse and it happens to every class

but ppl are gonna get defensive if they wanna be

[proven jasper]

[glacial crypt]

[proven jasper]

Lol

[balmy condor]

I didn’t take it personally at all I just don’t understand 75% of what you said because it’s not true

[glacial crypt]

"Sorry you took it personally" is the most devious apology

[keen spruce]

" sims all over the place compared to guide tier lists" I think this line was the one that russled the jimmy's @eager tree

[eager tree]

sacbrood is behind so many other trinks for me

[tawny pagoda]

hey guys, did u try to play CT on myth ovinax?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[eager tree]

i meant my sims, sorry

[balmy condor]

FOR YOU

[eager tree]

yes, thats what i meant

[keen spruce]

guys did u see the new hotness tho

pause

[balmy condor]

How are gonna compare your gear to a bis list comparison

[keen spruce]

[eager tree]

im comparing my sims to bis lists

[keen spruce]

long george

[limber lion]

We love bis lists.

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s the problem

[eager tree]

bc as i get better gear itd get more aligned to bis lists

[balmy condor]

Has nothing to do with guides or sims

[eager tree]

sims are based on bis

[keen spruce]

that is a misunderstanding of bis lists

[eager tree]

right?

its point in time v. endgame

[balmy condor]

It’s just you’re comparing a “bad” character to a character with access to actually every item in the game

[keen spruce]

bis lists are a wowhead requirement and basically just an optimal set ONCE ALL PIECES ARE AQUIRED

[eager tree]

my sims are PIT, bis lists are end-game

[balmy condor]

And that’s bad

Because that doesn’t make sense

[slate crown]

Just saying because this happens all the time, pivoting to someone's response as they getting "Defensive" or "offended" (another common player in this discourse game), like if you find yourself using that as a retort, you're the one getting defensive/offended, you're not interested in continuing the convo, you want to end the convo with that. I mention it because it happens a lot and it's annoying to see

[balmy condor]

And that’s why you’re seeing differences

[keen spruce]

Think of a BiS list like assembling exodia

the right arm ain't doin shit

unless u have all of the pieces

not actually

but just think of it that way

and it'll make more sense

[limber lion]

Bis lists are not endgame

[eager tree]

bis list is what's the best if you have the best in every slot right?

[limber lion]

Not a single player will ever get the same fully bis gear than the actual bis sim

[slate crown]

No

Bis lists are fanfiction

[keen spruce]

if you have every thing on the list, at max ilvl

[limber lion]

Yes which is unobtainable for every single person in the game.

[keen spruce]

bis lists aren't real

they're wowhead propoganda

[limber lion]

That's why they're useless

[balmy condor]

We use them as synthetic comparisons

[limber lion]

Bwcause it's actually impossible to get all of the items

[balmy condor]

It’s not reasonable to use them to compare to actual characters

[keen spruce]

BiS lists are Wowhead's way of keeping Whispyr's mental unstable enough so he doesn't ascend and take over the world

they're not for mortals

[limber lion]

Bis is legitimately just unobtainable due to the great vault

Like sure bis makes sense in classic or whatever

Because you can actually eventually farm the gear

But in the current game it's all behind GV RNG

[eager tree]

so lets say hypothetically next GV i get sacbrood and DB trinket in it

[keen spruce]

which is also why you see random delve trinkets simming higher for you

[eager tree]

right now DB trinket sims higher for me but i have extra haste i need to dump on some other gear

so 2 weeks from now sac could sim higher

[keen spruce]

Delve trinkets might be on the bis list if they could get to high enough ilvls

[eager tree]

and its higher on the tier lists

[keen spruce]

and they're relegated lower

[limber lion]

Tier lists

Bis lists

[keen spruce]

because of their ilvl cap

[limber lion]

Fucking kill me

[keen spruce]

but at MANY people's gear

delve trinkets that are low on the tier list

are way better

than "bis" trinkets at the same low ilvl

it's not sim-goofiness

[eager tree]

ok you can pretend to be killed and hop out of the conversation if you want. but either way sacbrood would probably sim higher once i dump this shitty cloak i have

[keen spruce]

it's just how the game works

[spice spire]

I’d never

[eager tree]

but it wont at GV, just trying to think long-term over short term idk

i took socket week 1 of GV for the same reason lol

[limber lion]

Exactly you're starting to get it

You're the one to make that choice

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

You can sim a different cloak

And see how Sac does then

[eager tree]

yep and sac sims higher, ive already done that

[limber lion]

And then make a choice whether to invest short or long term

Exactly

Like idk what the issue is

[subtle stream]

I know my sac sims higher

[south lava]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[eager tree]

bc thats changing one piece of gear. i only have 2 myth track items. what if when i get my other myth track items DB sims higher again?

[keen spruce]

my sac is BiS

[subtle stream]

Too bad it’s unique-equipped

[keen spruce]

then u equip it

[subtle stream]

This^

[eager tree]

but i can only pick 1 so i have to hope i get it in my GV again

[keen spruce]

yes

[balmy condor]

Correct

[keen spruce]

welcome to gearing in the GV era

u pick a fancy thingy, then 2 weeks later u put it in your bank

[eager tree]

i just hate picking early GV myth track items i'll replace

thats where the consternation is

[keen spruce]

I farmed 67 everblooms for a fancy stick

then got it in my vault a week later

[eager tree]

yeah i did the same and had the exact same thing happen

[keen spruce]

then put it in my bank 3 weeks after that

[balmy condor]

You probably won’t replace myth track items luckily

[eager tree]

then got to use the fancy stick on fucking tindral

[balmy condor]

You’d have to be deep in the season to vault for sidegrades

[frail sky]

Are ppl running double vanish in m+ or is it a dmg loss?

[balmy condor]

Big damage loss

[frail sky]

As i figured, got flamed by a tank that i should run double vanish

[keen spruce]

call him a slur

embrace chaos

[balmy condor]

Open the tanks talent page and ask him why he’s not running a random talent

And then just block and ignore

[frail sky]

I said hes an ape and ignored him

[balmy condor]

That works

[keen spruce]

close enough

oh damn this kinda hits this tier for rogue

[arctic socket]

Double vanish is pretty sick tho

[keen spruce]

[arctic socket]

Get the iron wire prog

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

Yeah double vanish is pretty sick

I’m actually throwing up

Right now

Just thinking about it

[cloud nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[heavy sentinel]

Our guild just started doing loot council and every raid we get someone rolling on something they don’t actually need cause it’s on their BiS list

[balmy condor]

a classic

[faint path]

tbh none beating assas rogue in m+ overall 😄

[balmy condor]

during shadowlands we had a hunter that would roll on every agi trinket because "it's bis on the next fight"

[keen spruce]

raid then

[faint path]

okay makes sense now hahaha

[keen spruce]

fkin goblins

[faint path]

yeyy lets play wow a little bit

[balmy condor]

pugs m+
pugs.jpg
complain

[crystal delta]

i finally feel good about my stats ;D 53% mastery seems ok no?

[balmy condor]

sounds great man

[crystal delta]

still 27% crit aswell (not sure if thats a bit low?)

[balmy condor]

still sounds great man

big stats

[crystal delta]

biggest thing for me to work on is getting trinkets higher then 606 veteran ilvl xD

[crystal delta]

is that the haste chart? xD

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

the peak is at 34%

he is right

[keen spruce]

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in8k-caight-in8k-memee-caught-in8k-samham-samham-caught-in4k-gif-24826364

[nova aspen]

[eager tree]

is the reason we tend to set up CT before CS because a lot of CS value comes from slamming envenoms into it?

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

kind of yeah

more so if you're setting up spatter w/o CT running then CT isn't running

[eager tree]

and youd have to spend CPs on CT afterwards during the CS window as opposed to envenom. got it makes sense

[fathom cove]

does details show interrupts by blind?

[keen spruce]

it would be under CC

[short sedge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[shy nest]

which talent do u drop for CT in the st build?

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

you'd run something like this for ovi'nax

[shy nest]

ty sir

[crisp stream]

As per raidbots its asking to craft a ring, is it worth it?

[balmy condor]

rings are good crafts

[violet flint]

is there a reason why we run improved garrote and shrouded suffocation on rasha'nan compared to the standard ST build with caustic spatter?

Is it because the boss moves at times?

like the build for ovinax i feel would be just as good if not better, or what does that small change do?

[oblique garnet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

rasha'nan is standard single target, whatever that means to your character, because it's hard to cleave off adds and you're only getting caustic at best

for mythic ovi'nax you trade in whatever the 2 points are (either vv or imp/sang) for CT

for heroic it's probably better to just stay with your single target build and just pump caustic damage

[timber hare]

which plater profile/weak aura should i use as a new assa rouge?

[keen spruce]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

any of these that u like

@timber hare

[timber hare]

i grabbed luxthos, but im trying to find a plater

i normally use Jundies

[keen spruce]

those bottom 2 are plater profiles

[violet flint]

no i meant, why is the the rashanan build changed to include improved garrote and shrouded suffocation compared to the normal build, as they are otherwise identical

[timber hare]

but it doesnt have the color profile for target etc

[balmy condor]

imp gar better for some people, if you take imp gar you take shrouded

[keen spruce]

ye cev and whispyr's are both built for rogues and should have good colors and bleed tracking

[violet flint]

so you could just run the standard ST build with caustic?

[balmy condor]

yes, whatever the standard ST build is for you

[violet flint]

im referring the sikran build as the ST as it is purely ST, but then you basically only change internal bleeding to caustic for some AOE

[rose needle]

whats the best weapon enchant for M+? The guide says authority of depths for M+ but i see a lot of people running authority of radiant power?

[limber lion]

Power

Depths for raid

They're both super close honestly it doesn't matter

I run depths and call ot a day

[rose needle]

is it dumb to run one of each lol

[vocal cradle]

So I know death stalker favors haste over crit, but is there like a % you kinda want to get to and hang around or more like just use it if you have it but don't like gem and enchant for it?

[limber lion]

Again, doesn't really matter

[limber lion]

No

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[vocal cradle]

Every time I sim it wants me to keep around 10% haste ..idk why lol

[limber lion]

Because it doesn't matter

Other stats are better

Idk what is everyone's fixation about haste

[keen spruce]

[vocal cradle]

I'm thinking it matters some how cuz raid bots wants me to stay at 10% lol

[keen spruce]

it don't tho

your character is your character

[vocal cradle]

I guess that's just the amount in which my gear does the most DMG

[keen spruce]

exactly

[balmy condor]

builds vary between people, imp gar and vv are functionally equivalent

[past bobcat]

Would it be fine to drop CT if we have 2 fdk lol

[violet flint]

thanks for the feedback, good to know i can basically roll with the same build through it all

[balmy condor]

on mythic I probably wouldn't

[past bobcat]

Interesting. CT is still value even if the ads are dying just about in 2 globals

[rotund oak]

got the neck from sikran

good stuff

alot of haste

[rotund monolith]

im trying to remove a lot of clutter in my plater nameplates... which debuffs would u guys say is really important to track? apart from garrotte and ruptures?

[keen spruce]

garr, rup, CT, maybe caustic if you want it on plates

[fleet pagoda]

kb and DS marks too maybe

[keen spruce]

DS stuff?

ye

[fleet pagoda]

I'm a garrote - silence enjoyer myself too but that's not related to damage at least

[subtle tundra]

the smallies arent the only adds

[keen spruce]

worth trackin too if you're comming with group

[sour mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[astral plover]

How much mastery / crit are u guys Rocking?

[balmy condor]

whatever the sims tell me

[astral plover]

Whisp are u playing Fatebound or DS

[balmy condor]

ds

[faint path]

jeeeeez first run

[runic hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[runic hinge]

Don’t forget it

[keen spruce]

@runic hinge

did u see

new hotness

long
george

[runic hinge]

LONG

No im drunk

[spice spire]

hi drunk I'm quake

[runic hinge]

Was 18 over after 9. Got two drinks at the turn and didn’t keep score on the back

Not a good day

[keen spruce]

I need to play this week

[runic hinge]

Driver has been so good for 3 months. Not today tho.

[keen spruce]

I haven't posted a score in like a month

[runic hinge]

I kept score on the front but for the back I gave myself 5 pars 2 birdies and an albatross on 18 for the cart guy to chuckle at

Maybe 3 birdies

Idk. I’m drunk and sad now

[keen spruce]

why sad

golf is like pizza

even bad is still pretty gud

I wonder if there's any simlator places that have like... p2p play

so we can be at different sim places

and play around together

maybe business idea

[thorn slate]

Looking at warcraft logs HC, Sin is doing meh compared to the other two. But in Mythic they are doing just as well/better. What changed?

[subtle tundra]

if you looked at mythic earlier in the week assa was 2nd worst spec in the game

its incomplete data

[stiff quiver]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

now brood has gotten some logs and assa is the spec to play on that boss -> it got better on statistics

[obsidian walrus]

If we are talented to only have 1 shiv charge I assume it wants to be for the last 8 seconds of kings bane?

[keen spruce]

ye

<8s

[runic hinge]

I love more balls today than I have in my last 7 rounds combined

Idk if that’s still good

I slept 4 hours after drinking for 10 so that’s on me tbh

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[warm vortex]

For court i assume its p much normal ST rota but i just keep garrot and rupture up on the other one too

[obsidian walrus]

Thanks. Just swapped to sin for mythic+. Got kinda stuck maxing 1.1m to 1.3m overall on sub if pulls line up well

[keen spruce]

well hit the ball onto the short grass and you'll find it

[uncut knot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

I want to get garroted irl

I hit a 210 yard par 3

4 putt for a 5

[keen spruce]

why would u do that

[runic hinge]

Idk I lost the mental battle on 1 when the starter watched me pull it into the range

[past forum]

Generally just let caustic spatter carry your cleave damage. I usually only worry about bleeding the other boss outside of my cds

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

Sent next shot over the back. Had to pull out a second penalty stroke and hit a 15 footer for 7. Hit the ball 4 times. Had to write 7 on the score card

[orchid wind]

do we sim patchwerk or DS ?

[runic hinge]

For what

Raid is patch m+ is dungeon slice

[thorn cloak]

hello guys, what is the difference between simming for patchwerk and target dummy? can someone explain please

[slate robin]

On Silken, do we hold Deathmark for dmg increase phase? Or just pop everything on CD, it doesnt last very logn S:

[runic hinge]

Patchwerk includes execute and raid buffs target dummy does not

[runic hinge]

I sent everything on cd and got a 93 or something

[thorn cloak]

@runic hinge oooooh ty so much!!!

[runic hinge]

You’re welcome I love you so much

[keen spruce]

slut

[runic hinge]

I’m drunk so yeah anyone can get it

[west crown]

Always use deathmark. Less downtime the better

[warm vortex]

Ah ok thank you!

And i assume it aint worth it to save CDs for the trip right

[humble cradle]

After reading the wowhead guide it seems like either death stalker or fate bound is acceptable for mythic plus. I’m just curious how far behind FB is?

Sorry if this asked a lot. Tried using search function. Coming back to retail kinda overloaded on info right now

[keen spruce]

DS is kinda the go to

in everything atm

FB isn't that bad but just slightly behind

[humble cradle]

Is it safe to say if you struggle with juggling the mark, FB would perform better or is far enough behind that even with poor mark tracking DS is still ahead?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[keen spruce]

YE

[slate crown]

FB is close enough

[keen spruce]

ye FB fine

[runic hinge]

Fb better if you don’t do well with the mark

[humble cradle]

Ok. Thank you guys

[normal mist]

FB is a great way to play in a more relaxed vibe

[slate robin]

Thanks all, we downed it! 🙂

[runic hinge]

Also it’s super close and really gear dependent anyways.

[runic hinge]

I’m so proud of you

[humble cradle]

I’ll prbly play fb while I’m still getting my feet wet than swap to ds once I’m more comfortable

[runic hinge]

Great idea

[keen spruce]

[slate robin]

I got 48% 😦

My Rogue sucks haha

[warm vortex]

Btw this
if anyone knows

[keen spruce]

silken looks like a boss where there's lots opportunities for mistakes and optimization. if boss dead then u did enough damage

[restive spire]

does culminating blasphemite only give bonuses for: Ruby, emerald onyx, sapphire so max 4 or can you run 4 different kinds of onyxes

[past forum]

yeah, cause then it sets your cds off for other important moments in the fight

[deep gyro]

silken triggered me so much with trying to hold mark right

[past forum]

the first time i had a boss burrow with mark on it and no vanish to swap i wanted to puke

(i know it is a skill issue and something i could have easily prevented by playing better, but it still made me feel sick)

[balmy condor]

the first

[slate robin]

Can we cloak venom nova on Queen?

Pretty sure I used it but I still got dot

[viscid breach]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

is there an ICD on applying caustic spatter to a different target from where it is currently applied

i swear sometimes i mutilate a target and caustic just doesn't apply

[placid radish]

you need rupture for it to apply

and poison at the same time

[coral ibex]

hm that could explain it, thanks

in the moment of doing a key im just seeing no caustic icon on my nameplate and im like wtf

[deep gyro]

It seems the damage didnt go through while cloak is up but once down it starts to tick. On my one try.

[coral ibex]

but its usually in a chain pull or someone butt pulls more mobs

and i swap targets before getting rupture up

[slate robin]

yeah this happened

So cant remove it but can immune the dmg for duraiton

[deep gyro]

so i decided not to try it at all since melee orb was put close

[slate robin]

Makes sense

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't want to cloak it anyway

[deep gyro]

I save cloak for the double root. That happens

[balmy condor]

you're adding to the raid damage

not getting in the bounce adds a stack of the debuff

[slate robin]

Ah OK, thanks

Will stay in then

[balmy condor]

👌

[slate robin]

This just happened, good tip 😄

[crimson snow]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cerulean nest]

how do I stop getting auto'd to death by zekvir ?? lol

[coral ibex]

tricks brann
evasion
get more ilvl

[cerulean nest]

my ilvl is fine

ill try again

[coral ibex]

i dont think i even notice his autos at like 610 ilvl

[cerulean nest]

im 622 and on pull he takes me to 60%

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

yeh

?? is brutal

gotta get like a level 45 brann and hope :)

rogue in solo content

[short sedge]

Has anyone played ovinax here

(mythic)

I'm a bit lost as to how I should behave when adds spawn

[balmy condor]

spam envenom

[short sedge]

Literally just spam envenom in caustic on boss?

No rupture no nothing?

(on adds that spawn I mean

[balmy condor]

CT for spiders, rupture maybe if there's a spider thats slow

but generally no

[bright cipher]

weirdly enough, they did a spot-on tunning inside the class (all 3 specs are similarly power-wise) and even outside i am still satisfied.

[warm vortex]

How does the opener change in court btw?

[balmy condor]

you press garrote twice

[warm vortex]

Ah so i don't rupture the other one?

[vernal gate]

What's the best way to play Mists 1st boss on high keys? Not sure if its better to maintain bleeds on both or just focus on envenoming tree

[balmy condor]

you do, but probably not in opener

[warm vortex]

K thanks

[balmy condor]

takes too long

[balmy condor]

you would always want to maintain on both

[vernal gate]

That seems better for overall dmg but not sure if its faster 🤔

[balmy condor]

what

of course it's faster lmao

[keen spruce]

2 bosses gotta die. more overall is faster

[balmy condor]

the energy alone already is better single target

and the scent stacks

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

and the extra bone spike cp

like it's actually no brainer

[vernal gate]

and youd use fan of knives too over mutilate?

[balmy condor]

you can

that one is more overall, less single target

[safe rover]

Does envenom damage count as poison damage so cleaves thru spatter?

[balmy condor]

yes

it's the vast majority of your spatter damage

[spring moat]

Any log reviewers?

did some bashing on queen last night.. yay?

[balmy condor]

lets see it

[spring moat]

i was only there for queen. missed silken court 😦

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/84mYtK2FRhXGTqcf

ive noticed queen will knock you out of stealth sometimes?. that fkd me up a few times

[balmy condor]

what is this

[balmy condor]

she does ticking damage on the raid, you were slow on the pull

[spring moat]

noted.

[silver otter]

Well got some more practice in, passed the 1m average on siege 7 but not quite there yet.

[balmy condor]

gotta be a talent bug though I think

[silver otter]

It feels like mobs are dying too quickly

[balmy condor]

cause these are like

m+ talents

[spring moat]

wym

[silver otter]

even in a 7 on fortified week

[balmy condor]

what was the build you ran?

[silver otter]

The Hybrid one

[spring moat]

i used diff build halfway through. noticed webs wasnt dying quick enough

[balmy condor]

this ain't it chief

[silver otter]

ah question was not for me ?

[balmy condor]

you just gotta spatter

also this talent is atrocious

[timber hare]

What’s the main thing I should focus as a new assas rouge I just got to 80 and gonna get funneled tonight

[digital pollen]

if you can swap specs just go outlaw. oneshot it today with no problems cause of high evasion uptime and healer brann. no need for tricks on him

[subtle tundra]

playing well

[fleet pagoda]

doing damage and not dying idk what kind of answer you're seeking here

[crisp pine]

Focus on a good transmog actually

[spring moat]

raid cleave and mythic plus cleave are diff?

[timber hare]

Like buffs to maintain

[balmy condor]

this is the biggest problem though

[balmy condor]

yes, wildly so

[subtle tundra]

raid cleave is swapping to spatter

[fleet pagoda]

there are guides towards the bottom of the pins that you will probably want to reference

[fleet pagoda]

good place to start

[timber hare]

Alright thanks

[balmy condor]

you'd want to play something like this on ansurek

scent of blood, carnage, sudden demise, iron wire are all wasted points in raid

[crisp pine]

You can take the iron wire from my cold, dead hands

[dawn kelp]

has anyone done zekvir

[slate robin]

This is fine for Queen right?

[balmy condor]

first difficulty easy, second difficulty hard

[balmy condor]

that's the build I just linked

[slate robin]

Thanks, sry I am jumping into chat between pulls

[tacit otter]

have i been missing something or is this zekvir guy the craziest mf? does he drop insane loot or why everybody caring about him so much?

[slate robin]

I must have missed it

[balmy condor]

the pinnacle boss of delves

achieves/etc

it's like the new mage tower

[subtle tundra]

except its bad

[hushed maple]

guys in Keys we kinda want to stay above 50% Energy, aye?

I always catch myself being at 10 Energy and just remembering Sanguine Blades after

[balmy condor]

in aoe you should be bleeding targets

you'll never run out of energy in aoe

[crisp pine]

I mean
In keys you either have unlimited energy through bleeds
or you're in ST

[solar orbit]

Do you reapply dots when you don't have vanish and are out of stealth on every mob?

[hushed maple]

ST, yes

[solar orbit]

Or just a few of them

[balmy condor]

in ST you want to be under 50%

[balmy condor]

enough to sustain your energy

[solar orbit]

What's a good number?

[balmy condor]

5ish

[solar orbit]

would rupture be enough or do you need to garrote them all as well?

[balmy condor]

usually like a garrote or two, the rest ruptures

[solar orbit]

Got it, thanks

[balmy condor]

garrote has a cooldown and also sucks ass for damage

so generally it's ruptures for scent/energy

and then envenom spam

[hushed maple]

kinda sad that Crimsons initial dmg isnt worth it to spam that in AoE

but I guess Poison Bomb is a thing after all

[crisp pine]

hell yea brother
bring back the fucking
FoK
CT
FoK
CT rotation

with an envenom from time to time to hope for poison bomb proc

[balmy condor]

there isn't even initial damage

[hushed maple]

there isnt anymore?

oh

[balmy condor]

no

[hushed maple]

well thats messed up

[fallen arch]

Why is that messed up

[balmy condor]

spam finisher is envenom with spatter

[fallen arch]

We have tons of damage with envenom

[balmy condor]

dot spec has dot

[viscid breach]

how do you guys handle the add swap bosses as deathstalker? first guy in mist duo boss in stonevault when they run away? feel like my mark is always not on the right guy.

also how quickly to reapply deathmark? sent 8s envenom do i wait til 1 on envenom or send asap for mark to go back out?

[balmy condor]

[fallen arch]

What more could u want

[balmy condor]

you either move it with darkest night or you vanish

you want to reapply the mark as fast as possible, ignoring all other finishers

you HAVE TO get the mark back up

[dawn kelp]

this is insane

[fallen arch]

In mists I swap it with darkest night

[balmy condor]

welcome to delves as a rogue

[viscid breach]

yea, its been feelin rough im vanish for meme rupture dmg on open think i should just save on those ones?

and ty for mark info

[balmy condor]

ye

[uncut knot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[viscid breach]

do i ignore poolin durin that window too then for mark to go back out? even if down to no energy?

[fallen arch]

U dont really pool ever

[balmy condor]

yes

[dawn kelp]

622 ilvl too this shits impossible

[balmy condor]

has nothing to do with ilvl

it's just brann has to tank

or you're dead

[viscid breach]

oh pool is dead? 😦 just sit at no energy and only tea during shiv?

[cinder pebble]

Brann is going insteaöth with me when i vanish and reset every pull :/

[balmy condor]

outside of cooldowns you maintain envenom

[viscid breach]

ty again

[spring moat]

@balmy condor checked pins. i must be blind. not finding the build you had suggested

[balmy condor]

it's just the single target build from the guide with caustic

[spring moat]

and thats the raid aoe build in a nutshell?

[balmy condor]

yes that's what you would play on every fight with adds

[spring moat]

ah so literally just swap internal bleeding for spatter then. ty

[balmy condor]

yep

[spring moat]

and i got rid of follow the blood lol

[balmy condor]

bigger problem you have gameplay wise though is that you're allergic to your cooldowns for some reason

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1290039698277793853/image.png?ex=66fb0297&is=66f9b117&hm=569f0f42d0816c1dd8dafa4840698533af1d1d58b95ce4071980ea91e1f6c9ab&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1920&height=451

like this is 1 shiv, 1 kingsbane

in 3 minutes

that's really bad

[crisp pine]

is that just a shiv at the 4 minute mark?

without kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

he was playing hybrid on ansurek so only 1 charge

should technically be seeing 1 shiv every 30 seconds with that

[crisp pine]

[stark kraken]

[spring moat]

smite me.. this is my single target im using.

but yes. hybrid build only has one shiv charge

[lament stump]

hehe how do i make the 6 second envenom self buff more visible is there a way to put it seperate from rest of buffs ?

[craggy coral]

Do we have any secondary stat soft caps for when to put more prio into others?

[fleet pagoda]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[fleet pagoda]

best bet is to sim your options

[calm grail]

Swapping to M+ from Outlaw, what should my overall breakdown look like by skill on details?

This is from my most recent key. I swapped today.

[fleet pagoda]

spatter should usually be your top contributor

[vernal gate]

either you spent a lot of time doing ST or youre not doing aoe properly

[calm grail]

Could be letting spatter drop off when swapping targets.

If Spatter is on top, what should be beneath it?

[vernal gate]

envenom

[fleet pagoda]

depends on a lot of things. CT/envenom will usually do a lot too

[calm grail]

Okay, so biggest fix would be mutilating/hitting spatter target more.

Could be messing up KB use too.

Shiv KB or KV shiv?

And should I be using shiv on CD?

[fleet pagoda]

are you playing with one shiv charge or two?

[calm grail]

M+ build

One charge

[fleet pagoda]

there's not a ton of rigidity in a lot of assassination builds compared to other specs. but yeah in that case you can probably send it just about on CD, you don't want to desync it from your second half of kb though

don't hold kb for WoW 2, make sure you're activating spatter and you'll be golden

[calm grail]

So if it won't be up for KB, hold it for the right time

[lament stump]

shiv b4 or after kb

[fleet pagoda]

ideally you'll want to hold it for kb, things get weird in aoe. at least for bosses/st try have shiv available for the back side of kb

[calm grail]

But if you mess it up, hold it for KB, don't send it if it won't interact with KB?

[fleet pagoda]

two charges send one before, if you have one charge use it on the last 8s of kb

[lament stump]

based

[fleet pagoda]

yeah better to sit on your shiv for a little bit than delay kb/DM

[novel star]

shiv makes no difference to your aoe damage

but on bosses ya

like uhh

shiv usage has nothing to do with your spatter being too low

it’s probably just not being maintained

what if blizzard removed caustic spatter and added finisher poison bomb

cook

[bronze pike]

no no no

caustic spatter replaced with poison flurry

its the same but nature

[novel star]

wdym

[deep gyro]

Isnt that what it is

[novel star]

that’s already what it is yeah

[balmy condor]

This is totally fine

[bronze pike]

thats the point

[novel star]

only difference from flurry is the radius not being centered on player

which probably won’t change

ranged kingsbane moment

[novel star]

o lol

[slate crown]

Kingsbanarange?

[novel star]

wwuh

[jaunty lava]

Why are you swapping from Outlaw?

[slate crown]

Kingsbane gains a 20 yards range and bounces to 3 targets before returning to you (and afflicting you with kingsbane)

[novel star]

oh what the fuck

throw glaive kingsbane

i’m down

i like poisoning myself

[slate crown]

same

[novel star]

wish i could do that with an energy drink rn

raid in 4 hours don’t wanna get up

[eager tree]

shiv doesnt increase CS damage?

[novel star]

nope

[eager tree]

weird, wonder why not

[novel star]

only the one target takes more

[eager tree]

right but that one target splashes the dmg it takes, so if its taking more youd think itd splash more

[novel star]

you’d think that but the way damage calculation works makes it not work that way

[eager tree]

lame

[novel star]

videogame

it’d also like be broken for some reason i don’t understand

if it worked that way

whispyr has yapped numbers about it before

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793631023400747038/1289833440807620609/SoloInterrobang_-_1839860142050791931_-_GIF_1.gif

[eager tree]

now that every week is tyran im wondering if i should just gem/enchant ST using aoe build. ST feels bad rn

[novel star]

you can try as hard as you want to build for st

[viscid breach]

when goin pack to pack with darkest night in m+ do i still want to open with ambush or do i open with garrote into 7p envenom then start spreading as many ruptures as possible?

[novel star]

and still lose st to other specs not doing that

it’s not really worth it

[eager tree]

yeah i know, but just closing the gap

aight

[novel star]

sin is good in aoe and aoe alone

a .5% increase to your aoe is way bigger and better than a .5% increase to your shit st

embrace suffering

🙃

[proven jasper]

we’ve really gone full circle

[novel star]

yep

[calm grail]

Cause I mostly do keys and Sin seems way better in keys rn.

[jaunty lava]

What are u guys playing in keys 1-4 Hybrid or AoE?

[calm grail]

I did it

Way more uptime on it.

[fleet pagoda]

nice

[calm grail]

Uhh

Sac brood is probably better in principle

But rare loot

When you could farm a hero track sac

That's a toughy.

Probably sac still

No guarantee you'll ever see it again

Do you CT in 2+ or 3+?

[keen spruce]

hybrid for everything

[crude arrow]

anyone have a addon for the combat text ?

[keen spruce]

well is a myth track neck going to be better than the insignia? If yes then it's the trinket no-brainer

sim still matters if you're planning for later

just gotta sim different stuff

[eager tree]

based on whispyr's sim you CT in single target now too

[fleet pagoda]

the neck is from an early boss too, so feasible to pick it up from mythic if you do that

[gentle gyro]

wasn't that always the case when you had CT as a talent?

[keen spruce]

no

only recently in very specific situations

[clear nexus]

putting red onions, bacon, chili cheese and hot chili dip on a Tasty Chicken Burger from mcdonalds, fucking slaps

[keen spruce]

sim is cringe

just don't do that

[keen spruce]

that does sound good

[novel star]

2+

[keen spruce]

[gentle gyro]

definitely used to be the case in the past, but I didn't really play in DF so might have changed since in the meantime until now

[novel star]

ct st is only if you crit with clear the witnesses

it’s very cringe and bad

[keen spruce]

I mean definitely not in DF. I didn't play much SL but I don't recall that being a thing then either

[gentle gyro]

in any case, was aids then, is aids now. maintaining 3 dots sucks

[keen spruce]

ye

[narrow marsh]

where is the sim for ct in st

[keen spruce]

ST sims will occasionally cast CT

if you're talented into it

for Clear the Witness stuff

there's not like a special sim for it

just the logic in the normal ones

[gentle gyro]

how is CtW related to this

[spice surge]

It buffs crimson tempest

Oh nvm not ctw

Its momentum of despair

[keen spruce]

oh i was just copying oli

[novel star]

fan crits with a deathstalker talent

[keen spruce]

there's some talent

that does it

[novel star]

but you never fan st without ctw

so it’s functionally when ctw crits

[keen spruce]

oli scamming me

with misinformation

smh

makin me sound like a dumdum

[novel star]

[gentle gyro]

good tooltip, blizzard

I definitely have Black Powder

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

Mine says CT

But ye tooltips

[novel star]

same but i’ve also never specced into sub one time on my character

in its entire existence

[keen spruce]

stormbpstormbpstormbpstormbp

sectec

stormbpstormbpstormbp

[proven jasper]

bp dead

Storm dead

[keen spruce]

i played sub in s2

i haven't looked at it since then

[proven jasper]

outlaw with burst rn

[keen spruce]

i kinda liked stormbp

very cozy

[gentle gyro]

played sub in SL S4, was really fun

[keen spruce]

then adhd piano fingers

in burst

then back to vibes

[proven jasper]

Trickster honestly fun

but main cd’s is hectic af

[gentle gyro]

Sin is really cozy rn, chill to play

[keen spruce]

sass always cozy

[gentle gyro]

you just use your burst windows and then just kinda vibe

[novel star]

i’ll try sub when they make it 2 min 1 min and remove dust

so like

anniversary

until then fuck that spec

[steel geyser]

you'll try sub when its like sin

[novel star]

yes

exactly

it really is kinda crazy that they’re doing that huh

like the identity is kinda cooked

1:1 sin timings

[proven jasper]

couldve just made sblades 1:30

but nooooo

[eager tree]

is dust the meta build rn? i thought it wasnt anymore

[proven jasper]

It is

[alpine oracle]

Hello poeple, is the egg from arakara better than the crystal from Dawnbreaker??

[novel star]

yes

[lament stump]

i hope sub gets some love

[eager tree]

in raid?

[alpine oracle]

my sims say yes

[proven jasper]

In raid and m+

[novel star]

yep

[alpine oracle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/puRDS4DJWdZGMo4E2HbwbF Should I take the egg or the crystal??? for m+

[novel star]

depends on your character but probably egg though both are completely passive with no downside so just trust the sim

nvm sim says crystal skardyns so use crystal skardyns

[raven egret]

Another day without wax is a day I weep for my gold

[sour mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[errant heath]

When exactly do you TT for extra damage with Shiv + Kingsbane? (assuming only 1 charge of Shiv) , So last 8 seconds of Kingsbane you TT + Shiv? or Shiv + TT?

[grim jay]

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