assassination

[keen spruce]

i'm doing NA tacos

and baseball

dw

[strange python]

It’s crucial information I think

[keen spruce]

u just gotta come up to Oregon

[glacial crypt]

You know the minute whispyr gets alcohol in their system all it's going to be is flaming tricks talk

[keen spruce]

He's just gonna make murloc noises

[glacial crypt]

that would be content

[keen spruce]

and pass out

[strange python]

Just wait till next summer

I think you secretly enjoy gardening in Germany

You just act like you don’t

Cuddle I have a feeling everyone is chickening out

How many dollars is that

[keen spruce]

idk

i'm at an all inclusive resort

I didn't need to pay for anything here

[strange python]

Goddamn

Ur living life

I wish I was in an all inclusive resort in Mexico rn

[keen spruce]

~1400 USD

and 11.5h flight

for tacos

[strange python]

Fuck me sideways that’s expensive tacos

[glacial crypt]

come

taco time

[soft shale]

you coudl buy more than 30kg of taco meat with that

[glacial crypt]

omg can we do that

[soft shale]

and send it to your home and pay some mexican cook to do it

[strange python]

I’ll do it myself

But also

Ur right

For 1.4k

[glacial crypt]

this is passing out hours im ngl

[strange python]

I haven’t even finished drinking yet

Far from passing out

[glacial crypt]

you're wild

[strange python]

Yea you could say that

Or absolutely stupid

Is also an option

[keen spruce]

what time is it in Europland

isn't it like

morning there

[strange python]

It’s 04:47 am here

[keen spruce]

@glacial crypt I followed you on twitter, if u don't send me daily moodeng pictures i'm calling hte police

[keen spruce]

sir

bedge

[floral vale]

Looking at logs of sin rogues doing silken court with improved garrote talented, aren’t you supposed to hold your second death mark for vanish to come back up and then use improved garrote -> death mark -> kb? Like looking at Whispyr’s log he vanishes completely unrelated to his DM cast and double garrotes with a shiv

[shy pecan]

You know, Norcal is kinda PNW... I heard there's some TC that lives around there...

[strange python]

Is he maybe vanishing for mark?

[keen spruce]

ik I included him in the 4-5 PNW rogues

[shy pecan]

[floral vale]

no ambush with it

and it looks like he had vanish up when he sent DM but just didn’t. I’m just wondering if I understand the sequence wrong

Could just be situational around the bosses rotating in the phases

[keen spruce]

more likely just situational changes on the boss

[strange python]

Probably

[keen spruce]

like needing to refresh bleeds after intermissions or something

or he was just goofin

maybe timing related

idk

[floral vale]

but normally if you sent your first dm -> kb -> vanish + garrote with the vanish at like 0:14 say, you’d send your next vanish at 2:14 and sit on DM for a few seconds to make sure you have full improved garrote during the dm right?

[soft shale]

sometimes mark goes off from boss

[keen spruce]

I believe that is the default yeah

[floral vale]

okok ty

[keen spruce]

unless something has changed

that's how it used to be at least

idk if that has changed with DS stuff

[hallow pelican]

jesus im smooth braining tonight ... i cant help but hit my shiv AFTER deathmark because im thinking about it too much

fuck me sideways

sorry AFTER kingsbane

[runic hinge]

Yeah I sent shiv after kb like 8 times the other night

Mainly cause I’ve been playing too many dungeons with 1 shiv so I’m losing muscle memory

[hallow pelican]

im so mad at myself

i even moved the keybinds

[upbeat pebble]

for dawnthread lining crafts. does it matter if its wrist + belt or can i do cloak/boots instead. currently my belts the highest ilvl of the 3

[keen spruce]

make 2 shiv keybinds

shiv 1 and shiv 2

then remove shiv from shiv 1 keybind

when playing single shiv

so u can still press the same button before KB

even if it's not doin anything

[strange python]

Bro how are they supposed to kill this boss

[keen spruce]

for the low cost of one completely dead global

[strange python]

There is no space left

[keen spruce]

they're so fkin far away

lol

space and healthwise

[strange python]

And that was an amazing pull

Yeah idk I don’t see it happening with the hp the boss has

No way there’s enough space

[earnest remnant]

i reckon they can shave off alot of health still

[slate crown]

They are still using lust for adds

afaik

so it's not pumping full into boss

there's more % they can def make up

I don't know if they can make up the full 15% tho

[keen spruce]

they haven't had like a big clean burn

with everyone alive

and yeah lust on adds

idk tho

can they manage space any better maybe

room for one more set

[halcyon hamlet]

11 Grim, lets fuckin go

[keen spruce]

or is there a hard enrage

[halcyon hamlet]

time for 12s

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

Exile pumping tho

[uneven plume]

Is there a Deathmark tracker i can provide to a priest?

[static glacier]

Ye, but perhaps a pi macro would be easier

[strange python]

They can track it themselves, or you make a pi macro

[uneven plume]

PI macro as in /whisper them?

[strange python]

Ye

They should have a Weakaura called „Dibs on Pi“

I think it’s called that

So when you whisper them it either auto pis you or your frame lights up not sure exactly

But something like that

[upbeat pebble]

for dawnthread lining crafts. does it matter if its wrist + belt or can i do cloak/boots instead? currently my belts the highest ilvl of the 3

[keen spruce]

anyone experiencing stealth breaks on ansurek on pull?

[pure moth]

/raises hand

about to alt f4 raid

[keen spruce]

I am yap ambassador for Kriz

[pure moth]

lol

[keen spruce]

u waited for all of the colors to go bedge

before asking

[pure moth]

not much i can do there, just started raid

hah

[keen spruce]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[keen spruce]

well that's not helpful

[runic hinge]

It’s probably sark cloak

Someone’s got it on still

They hate stam

[keen spruce]

@pure moth u still wearin your sark cloak?

[pure moth]

Nah

i figured it out.. i'll pull on 2 on timer shadowstep ambush.. take a melee hit/ chance a death

marks up though

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor did u ever experience stealth breaks on pull on ansurek?

Kriz is resorting to illegal behavior

[prisma coral]

Now that i think about it, I did have a couple where I was no where near the boss and in stealth

maybe I am tripping though

[devout hazel]

whats the name

of weapon buff

for rogue

[prisma coral]

first hit was "?" and I got thwapped

[devout hazel]

anyone

[prisma coral]

branco going to be more specific

[pure moth]

do you mean enchant?

[devout hazel]

no

attack power one

[prisma coral]

the sharpening stones?

[devout hazel]

yea

[earnest remnant]

ironclaw whetstone?

[devout hazel]

yea ty

[prisma coral]

about 75 different things on our weapons glad we got to the bottom of it :p

[balmy condor]

the boss does aoe ticking damage but no, I haven't experienced it personally

just hit the boss before the tick happens bozo

also who the hell is kriz

[pure moth]

me

[balmy condor]

ah

hello

[pure moth]

hi

[runic hinge]

Evasion

[balmy condor]

I thought this was race to world first stuff

[pure moth]

No

[balmy condor]

I am at work so brain is mush

but yeah I would assume it's that ticking

boss gets pulled,

slightly too slow

and then boom tick and you're ripped out

[pure moth]

bogus

[prisma coral]

that had to be it, every time I wasnt like inching ahead and was like "WTF"

[balmy condor]

yah

[keen spruce]

probably Mage pulls at 1, tank waits for 0 to pull, rogues cry

[balmy condor]

yeh

[pure moth]

ok so im pulling at 2

plan continues

[keen spruce]

this is why I quit using shroud

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

prevents the scootchers

[runic hinge]

Make sure to evasion first so you can keep cheat

[balmy condor]

I quit using shroud cause our druids would sit in stealth 0.2 inches away from boss and rejuv themselves

for who knows what reason

[keen spruce]

[pure moth]

ok

[keen spruce]

fuckin dudus

[prisma coral]

before they changed sub to not teleport constantly I remember having to be like "doing worry I will get back in position shortly"

[keen spruce]

can't be trusted

with anything

[prisma coral]

mythic kin'gorath was such a bitch with that

[balmy condor]

wasn't kin'gorath death from above

[keen spruce]

woulda been around the same time

[prisma coral]

um i think we still had it then

[balmy condor]

I don't think shadowstrike was an issue in legion

[prisma coral]

they hadnt changed the "only from stealth tp" yet

[earnest remnant]

start of legion shadowstrike

would tp you

[prisma coral]

in legion every shadowstrike tp'ed for awhile

[earnest remnant]

in antorus

[prisma coral]

up to like 60 m

[earnest remnant]

im fairly sure it wasent an issue

[prisma coral]

was very funny in capture the flag

[earnest remnant]

DFA was tho

[keen spruce]

I played aff lock in antorus

[earnest remnant]

would always put you down in the same spot

[prisma coral]

it wasnt an issue per se

[cyan summit]

Starting to feel like I need some vers when doing +11

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[keen spruce]

against a stationary boss ye

it did goofy shit against stuff that moved

[prisma coral]

or on the boss I was talking about you would want to be stacked in 1 spot and my rogue is suddenly off in fucksville

[cyan summit]

Is siming just focused on (dps) and not survivability ? @balmy condor

[earnest remnant]

on Kingaroth specifically

[keen spruce]

correct

[earnest remnant]

DFA would always make you land on the North east side of the boss arena

[prisma coral]

true

[cyan summit]

I see , so how can I know how much vers we need in high keys

[keen spruce]

uh

there's not like a magic number

unless a boss mechanic

is literally 1 shotting you

[prisma coral]

33.3% repeating

[keen spruce]

then you don't need any

basically you just need to be able to live a mechanic with elusivness and feint

[earnest remnant]

also dont ask me how i remember this i just do

[keen spruce]

how ever much vers that is

is how much you need

and that is normally 0

unless very very high keys

[prisma coral]

@earnest remnant yeah I totally forgot about that. it's oddly always a fond memory

that time for whatever reason

[keen spruce]

this is my fond memory from antorus

https://media.wago.io/screenshots/r1_MTs6vX/5b91b72840d04b0db9f2df23.gif

[cyan summit]

I feel like elusiveness is a must in high keys if u got low vers

[keen spruce]

elusiveness is a must at high keys period

cuz you're never gonna have more vers than a 40% dr

or w/e % it is now

[prisma coral]

agree. cheat death is a warm blanket but unavoidable aoe damage out there is getting real

[cyan summit]

Any specific dungeon u would go for cheat death instead ?

[keen spruce]

I'm retired

idk what dungeons do

I know that seige stinky

and maze is cringe

[pure moth]

come back. we can go farm daggers in outlaw loot spec again

[cyan summit]

Yepp when I’m sleepy I just go cheat death 😂

[keen spruce]

dobby is a free elf

[keen spruce]

I mean you can play cheat right up until you can't

there isn't really a choice when you start getting 100-0'd by a boss mechnic that casts every 30s

[cyan summit]

For real

[prisma coral]

blizzard is slowly rewinding all the feint changes. 2 more expansions and you will be able to spam it again

[keen spruce]

but until then

cheat death all the way why not

[cyan summit]

But we also have bait and switch

[prisma coral]

and they will add the heal pants to it

[cyan summit]

Hero talent

[prisma coral]

the 15 people playing rogue will be like "neat? whispyr is this good" and we will all rejoice.

[cyan summit]

What if I told u I got one shotted with elusiveness feint activated , on +12 stone vault

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

oh only 2 stonevault 12s have been completed

sounds like you need more gear

[cyan summit]

Sometimes I just hate pressing feint after opener , makes it a lot slower to dps if ur with a bursty comp

[prisma coral]

ehhh like did you live? great choice then

[cyan summit]

Sounds like I’m not “him”

[cyan summit]

I did more dps 😂

More energy , less global cd time = more dmg

Fk feint 💀

[prisma coral]

perhaps you missed my point, you are pressing it to live, you do 0 damage if you are dead

[thorn crater]

technically not true

[cyan summit]

U will live with cheat death

[prisma coral]

you are right

[thorn crater]

if bleeds and poisons are up u deal dmg even dead

[prisma coral]

fair

[earnest remnant]

sounds like you need some bitches, frog

[cyan summit]

Cheat death allows u to go warrior mode and deal more dps

Every 6 minutes 🤣

[thorn crater]

and then run like a bitch after 3 seconds of the procc ot your healer

screaming mummyyyyy

it hurts everywhere

[cyan summit]

Nah u just use pot , and be independent

[thorn crater]

once every 5 minues

lol

[cyan summit]

Worth

Imagine pressing feint , I’d feel like a puzzy

[thorn crater]

it does feel awkward for me too to use feint

more so on boss mechanics

when ure starved as well

[cyan summit]

During ur rotation ye feels off

[earnest remnant]

there are mummies?

[thorn crater]

imagine being on tyrannical week, boss on 5% one dps dead

[cyan summit]

But jokes aside we gotta press that shi 🥲

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/halloween-scary-wrestling-wwe-mummy-gif-12537207

[thorn crater]

and u gotta use feint to stay alive with energy being at zero

[keen spruce]

I've done nothing to deserve this

[thorn crater]

what do

[keen spruce]

Racoons are just fat ferrets

[earnest remnant]

not fat

fluffy

[cyan summit]

True and u need to keep ur envenom uptime

[thorn crater]

now healer is dead

2,3%

what do ?

kill or be killed

[runic hinge]

Done nothing to deserve any bitches either

[thorn crater]

also, the darkness boss is gonna be so aids in the next season

[cyan summit]

Is Aoe damage always magic damage ? or can it be physical damage ?

[thorn crater]

i might actually skip wow because of it

[keen spruce]

LOOK HERE FUCKO

WE ONLY KEEP U AROUND CUZ U FEED STU

[cyan summit]

@balmy condor would know 🤓

[keen spruce]

it can be physical

[cyan summit]

But is that “rare”?

[keen spruce]

uhh

[earnest remnant]

Fear in siege

is physical AoE

[keen spruce]

probably less common than magic

[earnest remnant]

and so are the stomps

they do

[keen spruce]

but not necessarily "rare"

[thorn crater]

you cant dodge the fear with evasion right?

[keen spruce]

that would be fkin wild if you could

[cyan summit]

Btw u know the adds that throw bananas 🍌 on the floor , he uses fear. And u can’t cloak it !!

[keen spruce]

but i'd assume no

[cyan summit]

Yeee that’s what I meant so weird though

[earnest remnant]

most shouts

are physical

[dense talon]

Dumb question: If I am completely out of energy (no combo points available) and Kingsbane is up with 1 charge of thistle tea, do I wait for energy to reach ~100 before generating combo points like 5-6 and then use kingsbane?

[cyan summit]

Not dumb

[keen spruce]

I'm not sure how you would end up in that scenario

[cyan summit]

Ye just kings bane / tea

Then shiv last 8 seconds

Do that if ur envenom uptime is up

[elfin pier]

finally

[cyan summit]

Gz

[dense talon]

Gotcha. thanks.

[cyan summit]

But usually u should never be in that situation

[earnest remnant]

ya plan ahead

[cyan summit]

What’s the highest dps u guys did to a group of adds ?

[eager ibex]

how important is caustic splatter vs fan of knives in a pack of mobs

[keen spruce]

what do you mean vs

[eager ibex]

when would i press mutilate over fan

[keen spruce]

just to maintain spatter

[eager ibex]

oh, so its a buff?

not proc'd every time off mut?

[keen spruce]

debuff on a mob

can only be on one at a time

i don't remember how long it lasts

[eager ibex]

oh ok so itd be wise to make a WA for caustic and just apply it every couple seconds while spamming envenoms?

[keen spruce]

and it cleaves ST damage on that target to mobs around it

but yeah basically fan, env

maintain CT if talented

and mut

to keep caustic up

and bleeds

and that other stuff

[eager ibex]

sweet, thanks for that i havent been doing this at all xD

[keen spruce]

a good plater profile should show caustic

pretty clearly

without the need for a dedicated WA

[cyan summit]

What a goat 🐐

[eager ibex]

yeh i'll work on it cheers

[modest gale]

is it better to spam envenom during kingsbane or refresh crimson tempest?

[keen spruce]

Casual is big boi

[earnest remnant]

like 8.6 or smth like that

[cyan summit]

Noice !

[cyan summit]

I’m guess ur talking Aoe

I would say depends

In the mob hp

[modest gale]

ye

[cyan summit]

If they are just dying and u got caustic up with bane , just envenom

[earnest remnant]

refresh CT if envenom buff is still up

[modest gale]

its not up lets say

[earnest remnant]

then env

[modest gale]

if its up and i got deathstalker mark, what then

[earnest remnant]

env buff is muy importante

DN?

[modest gale]

yes

[earnest remnant]

env

[cyan summit]

What was ur rotation there ? And how many mobs almost ?

[earnest remnant]

first pull of mists

so like 8 or 9 mobs

[modest gale]

even with env buff still dn ?

[cyan summit]

Why is it always that mists pull

[earnest remnant]

DN is highest prio

[cyan summit]

So many ppl get high numbers on it

But 8 is the highest I know

[keen spruce]

good balance of mob count, meaty health bars, and tall ass boi to pummel with ST

also does anyone's twitter just turn french sometimes when your' scrollin?

like the algorithm gets confused

and just starts thinkin u speak french

[earnest remnant]

shmeeps look at this

[cyan summit]

Nope 🙂‍↔️

[earnest remnant]

i pre-prepped

DN

into CT

BONK

[keen spruce]

[cyan summit]

Is that padding phase ? 😂

[keen spruce]

idk what most of that means but numba big

[earnest remnant]

its on an add spawn on ovinax

[keen spruce]

what's an ovinax

[earnest remnant]

slug boss in raid

[keen spruce]

im jk

but idk what DN does

[rain mortar]

got my last +10 of the season done and it feels goooood

[cyan summit]

Don’t tell me it was mists

[earnest remnant]

60% increased env dmg

[rain mortar]

no it was GB, which is an absolute nightmare

[waxen oyster]

[keen spruce]

[cyan summit]

Respect ! 🫡

[waxen oyster]

I do love sniping the 2mil envenoms

[earnest remnant]

so its like a 2.2mil env hit

[waxen oyster]

as a pack is dying

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

with DN death resets

[earnest remnant]

that just spatters

to everything

[cyan summit]

Stone vault > grim

Or what yall think

[keen spruce]

spoogin

[cyan summit]

Based on difficulty of dungeons

[willow cloud]

we have hit the part of the xpac where all the first time tanks try to do +10s

[waxen oyster]

Depends on your groups kicks

[modest gale]

tysm, one more question, even out of kingsbane with no rupture and no ct and i have DN do i still envenom ignoring rupture (single target since no cautic spatter)

[waxen oyster]

imo

[rain mortar]

for me +10 SV was easier than +10 GB, well at least i failed GB more times than SV before i timed it

[pure moth]

yes but not french

[devout hazel]

stonevault

is not easy

[cyan summit]

I see

[keen spruce]

why would u have no rupture

[cyan summit]

Yep but the question was which is the hardest dung

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

you actually do let rupture run out if DN is up

to fire a DN env

[keen spruce]

how tf does this spec work now

[earnest remnant]

envenom bonks

[pure moth]

its sus now

deleting these logs

[modest gale]

if u enter with new dn onto new mob with no rupture do u DN or rupture it

[earnest remnant]

it hits real hard

[cyan summit]

What the hell is dn though 😅

[earnest remnant]

if you are walking into a new pack

you rupture

[keen spruce]

got em

[modest gale]

1 target too?

[earnest remnant]

if its on pull yes

during fight

no

you would prio Darkest night

[cyan summit]

Ohhhhh lmao

[cyan summit]

Wait for real???

How tf does that work

[earnest remnant]

60% increased envenom is just worth more than a few ticks of rupture

i dunno man

[fast fog]

Does anyone have any tips on how to solo ?? difficulty of Zekvir?

[earnest remnant]

i dont make the rules

[fast fog]

I'm 613 with 4 piece, and getting my teeth kicked in.

[earnest remnant]

i just follow what whispyr says

[modest gale]

ye thats what i thought are ticks on pull useless if i have buffed envenom

[cyan summit]

No I mean u don’t get 60% if u have rupture on the target ?

And if yes then how does that work

[earnest remnant]

darkest night has nothing to do with rupture

[cyan summit]

I’m confused now 😂

[earnest remnant]

we are talking about priority

[modest gale]

• ur faster to next DN

[earnest remnant]

refreshing a rupture or consuming DN

and consuming DN is more important

[cyan summit]

Tricks of trade on bran , ez

[cyan summit]

Ohh ok

[fast fog]

Lol

[cyan summit]

For real

It helps

[fast fog]

Yeah, until he gets feared or I rip aggro.

[cyan summit]

Wait I’ll send u a video

[fast fog]

Is that how you were able to kill him?

Sounds good.

[cyan summit]

Yep

[deep sorrel]

how can u rip aggro when all ur threat is being redirected to the only other party member

[fast fog]

Trick's falls off, he gets feared, he dies and aggro goes to me.

Have been the few things that have happened.

[cyan summit]

Check the vid I sent u on dm

[keen spruce]

[cyan summit]

It’s ez

[deep sorrel]

There’s a talent for one hour tricks, can’t remember if it’s sub or rogue tree

[fleet pagoda]

tricks only lasts 6s and brann doesn't do much to get aggro

[earnest remnant]

Trickster

[deep sorrel]

Ah nvm

[keen spruce]

Whispyr doesn't say to garrote at 6cp sub 10s remaining on garrote because it feels fess wasteful than mutilating

[deep sorrel]

I mean this whole mark thing is kinda irrelevant with er working

[earnest remnant]

i never said thats why i do it

so

[deep sorrel]

Over the course of 5 mins u will maybe have to waste like 3-4 muti

[earnest remnant]

get your facts stragiht

i do it cuz im lazy

[keen spruce]

Tony lied to me

or that's why tony does it

idk

I almost don't want liquid to get sub 10% befoer bedge

cuz I don't want echo to be in range while we're eep

[rain mortar]

Liquid gets to 9% tonight before bed. They get up tomorrow with echo at 6% and pull ahead for the win. Screenshot this.

[cyan summit]

My sims is doing crimson tempest on 1 target wtf

[keen spruce]

don't look at that

u saw nothing

[cyan summit]

😂

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/monstersinc-sully-mike-door-put-that-thing-back-gif-4553929

[rain mortar]

Mine says the same thing. Every once in a while I even listen. It’s disgusting to entail that pain.

[cyan summit]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[keen spruce]

Moroes is drunk

[cyan summit]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[keen spruce]

I think

[cyan summit]

Huh

[keen spruce]

it's reading the sTEAlth

in !resTEAlth

[cyan summit]

Lmao

[keen spruce]

Moroes having a rough night

There are a couple of conditions in the sims that will want you to CT in single target tho. just uhhh

pretend those don't exist

unless your eleem

we don't support that kind of behavior

[arctic tusk]

quick question if you open up on 3 targets get ur ambush garrote rupture up and you get all your combo points up would you spend it on darkest night or crimson tempest first

[earnest remnant]

there also isnt a Tea command in assa

[cyan summit]

Dn

[arctic tusk]

also seperate question if you have 4 targets is it worth to spend 2 gcds on rupture garrote to get them all or just start spending envenoms on spatter

after the first 3

[neon cedar]

both of these questions interest me :d

[earnest remnant]

you wanna rupture all of em

Scent is too big

[neon cedar]

even garrote?

[earnest remnant]

to miss out on

[cyan summit]

Yes worth

[neon cedar]

so 4 gcd to dot all when you could dot 3 with 2 gcd

garrote worth too ?

[earnest remnant]

you'd build with the garrote

it gives 3 cps

[neon cedar]

yeah make sense

[cyan summit]

Darkest night first for sure

[arctic tusk]

for this question you would have to spatter first then darkest night for it to be worth

iu assume

[cyan summit]

Yes

[neon cedar]

does this answer change with the number of target? i guess so?

crimson get better with higher target counts ?

crimson prio i mean

[cyan summit]

I mean u will eventually crimson

But DN has a timer

So if ur just done with a pack and got like 10 sec left of dn

Just use dn

[neon cedar]

so you would consider top prio > full dot during Carnage window > eventually vanish if high count? > spatter > darkesh night spending(specially if low timer) > then crimson ?

am i correct ?

[cyan summit]

It depends is ur mark fresh or u already got dn proc up

Like u just started the dung ?

[neon cedar]

fresh pack

so I have the buff

but I guess the buff duration also matter as you said

[cyan summit]

Fresh pack ur gonna go ambush to apply it, u will need 3 envenom for Dn to proc so for sure just go crimson at the start

[neon cedar]

nah i meant with DN already up

cuz i wasnt a monkey forgeting it last pack somehow

[cyan summit]

Dn up then prioritise it

After applying caustic

[neon cedar]

y

ty for the answer, interesting 🙂

[cyan summit]

Cuz if u think about it

The earlier u proc it the quicker u will get it again

[neon cedar]

y make sense

the problem I have sometimes, is i'm starting to multidot 15 mobs

and i lose the mob with marks lol

if its a pack with an ambush (fresh start)

[cyan summit]

Multidot as in what?

Spreading ur bleeds ?

[neon cedar]

y

[cyan summit]

It’s not worth to do it more than 5 targets

[neon cedar]

i mean : ambush > carnage window and then i take a few secs to find the marked target nameplte

not really a few sec, but a short delay

[cyan summit]

Why take a few seconds

Are u swapping target after ambush ??

U shouldn’t

[neon cedar]

to spread yeah

keep spread from main target?

[cyan summit]

No mate

Don’t do that

Yes

Let’s say u rupture

Main target

[neon cedar]

doesnt it lose a garrote cast ?

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[keen spruce]

yeah but that's fine

[dawn heath]

doing abit lower damage than what i would expect not sure what im doing wrong tbh kinda frustrating feels like im playing correctly

[cyan summit]

Ok there u got lol

[runic hinge]

🤖

[dawn heath]

its m+

[keen spruce]

tony

stay in bed

[runic hinge]

I’m at work lol

[neon cedar]

yeah make sense

[dawn heath]

mist +9

[fleet pagoda]

he has a bed at work

[runic hinge]

At 2 am I’ll be home running delves and maybe one key if I feel spicy

[dawn heath]

1.3 is pretty low?

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

not rly

could be higher

[neon cedar]

ty vm @cyan summit @runic hinge @keen spruce @arctic tusk

[keen spruce]

but not bad

i think

[dawn heath]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/Ahoymatey

heres my char

[keen spruce]

I'm literally just guestimating based on screenshots i've seen in here

[burnt yacht]

boys for weap enchant is depths or authority better? and the gain from rank2/3 is really small right

[dawn heath]

i think

i should do 1.5

if i play perfect

that run

we're just single pulling the whole duengon

[keen spruce]

yeah I've seen some guys breakin 2m in higher keys

with coordinated groups

but that might have been with aug

i think aiming for >1.5m is a good starting point

from what i've seen

[runic hinge]

Yeah these Aug detail linkers

[keen spruce]

did Zero have an aug

[runic hinge]

Should get banned tbh

[keen spruce]

in his 2m?

probably

[runic hinge]

Prob but idk. He does run with one a lot

Guildless int dagger 2m pug

Would be insane

[keen spruce]

Social gamer

[runic hinge]

Making an int dagger for the content

[quartz cloak]

Then how do you want to put out more dmg? Usually it comes down to good pulls, mobs having enough health so you can use kings on main target with caustic on it pumping 4m dmg on a pack or sometimes more. It’s very situational

[keen spruce]

actual villan arc

[dawn heath]

i dont know i notice im bad at crimson tempest

thats probably my biggest flaw

[quartz cloak]

Well then you have ur answer

😅

[keen spruce]

I was always a bad CTer

[dawn heath]

idk

i really spam the shit out of caustic

not sure how to remind myself

[quartz cloak]

If you go into a 5 pack with full Caps, go rupture rupture garrote garrote CT mutilate ER full cp envenom for DN

[dawn heath]

i just forget to fucking press it

all the time

[quartz cloak]

Just have to remember you got 3 dots

[quartz cloak]

Oh yeah, that’s really low CT dmg

[dawn heath]

yep

i think it should be

5-6%

from what ive seen

on overall

depends on duengon

but i

my caustic is very high

[quartz cloak]

CT blasts, it’s really worth it pressing it

[dawn heath]

i think

[quartz cloak]

Caustic is always on top

[dawn heath]

using vanish and CT is what im bad at

i dont know how to use my vanish

[quartz cloak]

At this point pressing CT in every pack will bring you more gain

[dawn heath]

hm

how many targets do u CT

3?

[quartz cloak]

Vanish is mostly used for spreading garrote silences if you need them or use it while deathmark is rolling. Can look that up on the guide

I use it 2+, 3 for sure

[dawn heath]

im kinda thinking

i would want a weakaura when fighting >3 mobs and CT is not on the target it would just show up as a big icon when its not on the targets

i am already tracking it but still not pressing it

so i need to change something

[keen spruce]

just think of CT like a big AoE cooldown

setup bleeds, gar gar, rup up, setup caustic, then bang a CT in there for big aoe

It's not a leftover skill

[fleet pagoda]

practice maintaining it on dummies as if it were a normal pull to keep up bleeds and send caustic

helps to develop the habit to look for it

[dawn heath]

its usually

[arctic tusk]

is there ever a reason to waste combo points by spamming garrotes instead of garrote garrote rupture and then more garrotes after

[dawn heath]

when i have my CDS up

u know

death marks and kingsbane

its so many setup globals

i just forget about it entirely

cause im trying to rush the other things

ill show u a clip

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iLJ7YUiWUp9tt0rcP/d13371oTI5LH?invite=cr-MSxLQWssMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[fleet pagoda]

i usually put up my CT as soon as IC ends so I can just put all my executive on caustic/kb for a bit

[fleet pagoda]

only if you have a pull with like a million wizards you're trying to silence, otherwise no, don't want to overcap

[dawn heath]

like u can see here

[fleet pagoda]

not sure where you'd run into that this season though

[dawn heath]

i just vanish to silence the mobs

idk

lowkey been thinking of playing the other buiild

cause i hate how assa does bad st

that doesnt play CT

ah maybe ucant play it

this sims really high atleast

it still has caustic

but no ironwire

and the garrotes

kinda yikes

[quartz spear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zinc frost]

Yeah don’t play without iron wire

[keen spruce]

yeah that's the full prio damage

giga high key maybe one daya

build

but probably not

[fleet pagoda]

ST feels okay for me so far. i'm simming only about 10% less on my hybrid setup compared to my st raid

[dawn heath]

u can maybe remove arterial poision for miproved garrote

also side note

i really hate first pack of a duengon

u have all cds up and no S&D

its disgustingly much setup

[fleet pagoda]

yeah it seems like you're in a hurry here. you get scent stacks at 6s in, kb off at 10s in, and don't activate caustic until 15s in. i liked your use of vanish/iron wire but you might be forcing it a little bit sooner than necessary/with the overcap of CP

[halcyon hamlet]

dont invite a BM to an 11 NW, jesus

[keen spruce]

I miss /cancelaura -> snd spamming for 5 minutes before a dungeon on pirate

to get 5 buffs

then KiR to start the key

[dawn heath]

ye it was bad for damage

it was more to aoe silence mobs

idk

if i can start the key with s&d up that would help

[fleet pagoda]

yeah i got you bro. garrote - silence lasts 6s so you can vibe a bit and set up for damage before layin out the next round of silences

[acoustic hamlet]

we get that in 11.0.5 right ?

[halcyon hamlet]

Assa doesnt do bad in ST, I would consider them mid but if theres funnel, we win by a huge margin. Even then, assa still competes in ST. I also play 2 vanish since its more useful for pugs when no one was kick, that emergency vanish to garrote has saved so many high keys of mine

[dawn heath]

also struggling abit on how to use echoing reprimend

do i always pair it with kings bane?

or send on cd

[novel star]

just on cd pretty much

[novel star]

cd

also

[novel star]

2

[acoustic hamlet]

echo helps a lot for a big envenom before KB

[dawn heath]

also something i've wondered about

[halcyon hamlet]

If you start playing around ER with Darkest Night, youll start seeing your ST damage go higher. Even without ER, Darkest night is so strong in ST with m+ build 2 vanish

[novel star]

trying to time echoing reprimand with any cd

is deluding yourself

because landing on animacharged points

[dawn heath]

this talent

[novel star]

is rng

so just send it on cd

[dawn heath]

is this something we should consider on single target?

staying above 150 energy?

[novel star]

no

you actually want to stay under 150 to avoid triggering it

on bosses

when ur playing deathstalker

[dawn heath]

ok

[novel star]

cause less energy = less finishers = less marks

but you still take it 100% of the time in m+ builds anyway

too good with infinite energy in packs

[dawn heath]

ive made some tweaks to my nameplates

so my caustic target goes green

and kingsbane target goes purple

[novel star]

[dawn heath]

it was hard for me to like

if i swapped target to do something else

find my target again

that i had kb on

[acoustic hamlet]

focus it then

[novel star]

whispyrs plater already does that but with deathstalkers mark instead of kb

but yeh

whatever works

[dawn heath]

i use mouseover

kick and

kjidney

mouseover rupture

[novel star]

what r u switching targets for then if u mouseover everything

[dawn heath]

i dont swap targets as much anymore

but it happends

[novel star]

hmm

[dawn heath]

probably

[keen spruce]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[keen spruce]

this covers your sanguine blade qestion i think

for the most part

basically just maximize envenom

don't worry about anything else

[halcyon hamlet]

I mean sure its hard but you can definitely think about trying to time it if you could. Why woul I send an ER charge on a mark when I can just save it for Darknest night on the next spender. I could literally just press 2 mutilate, consume mark, wait for DN, then press 1 envenom and get 1 charge of ER for it for full damage

You can definitely do it

[novel star]

because

echoing reprimand is rng

like i said in the messages right under that

[dawn heath]

okay so

[novel star]

you can very rarely guarantee the animacharged point

[dawn heath]

lets say u walk into a pack with all cds

there is no prio mob

all mobs have 30mil hp

do u still send your cooldowns into one

or do just hold them

since they are ST focused

[novel star]

bad cooldowns > no cooldowns

[keen spruce]

almost never correct to hold

[novel star]

ya

i mean there are situations where u dont wanna slam cds if its right before a boss or something

but

generally

[keen spruce]

unless you're gonna really dick yourself on a specific dangerous pull / boss

[novel star]

u just send it

[dawn heath]

i assume u always sync DM & kings bane

with every other KB

but the issue is

if you KB later for whatever reason and they get desynced by 20+ seconds

what do u do then

[fleet pagoda]

that's pretty contextual, as is every other supposed scenario. if you expect to be at a boss in the next minute it'd feel real bad to send DM early in those cases

[dawn heath]

gotcha

[keen spruce]

people almsot always over hold

[dawn heath]

do you tea even if you are full energy for the mastery buff when aoe'ing

[keen spruce]

rather than oversend

you could if you're at max tea charges

ig

but probably not normally

[dawn heath]

cause aoe when u break stealth u are kinda swimming in energy

start of duengon

scenario

at 3 tea

im having some weird scenarios when my stealth is breaking

idk if this is normal

[keen spruce]

you're gonna use a tea in your burst

I wouldn't really chug more than that though

cuz you're gonna want those charges when you get to bosses

[fleet pagoda]

it'll break when enemies spawn into the maze rooms in mists it seems, or when you're going through the door or whatever

[keen spruce]

welcome to rogue

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iLJCuvbj7Z6dlGXBp/d1337Pf9Irmw?invite=cr-MSxENmUsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[solar cipher]

other than mists maze i havent had that issue

[dawn heath]

what happend here?

i press shadowstep ambush

[keen spruce]

exactly what they described

[dawn heath]

it breaks stealth and casts CT

[solar cipher]

do u read the chat or not?

[dawn heath]

ah yeah mist

well rip

im not sure this happends to me

[keen spruce]

yeah just goofy doors

[dawn heath]

in other places too

[keen spruce]

there's always random shit

normally it's avoidable

sometimes lingering dots

sometimes user error

[brisk forge]

Was same in SL i guess they dont want to fix it

[keen spruce]

sometimes broken doors

[fleet pagoda]

sometimes enemies will have some giga aura thing that pops you out of stealth too

[keen spruce]

ye

[brisk forge]

But just let tank go first and u wont lose stealth

[keen spruce]

sometimes your monk healer will pick a talent point

[fleet pagoda]

[keen spruce]

sometimes you equip your bis cloak

[pliant terrace]

15 grim batols in the last two days

this trinket does not exist

[dawn heath]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/Ahoymatey

would u craft offhand over bracers?

not sure how to spend my gilded crests

they're already made in 606 so but i mean in 636

[fleet pagoda]

sim it big dawg

[dawn heath]

i mean dagger might be the obvious choice but i already have a 639 main hand

[fleet pagoda]

you have big boy mainhand already so offhand doesn't really matter more than any other item slot

[blazing pumice]

you can replace dagger with vault

you won't replace bracers

[dawn heath]

i already have higher dagger in my bags

but it has ascendence

have this offhand

[fleet pagoda]

maybe it's just my NA counting skills but you should have another spark available, no?

[dawn heath]

its only 2 rn

[blazing pumice]

it's 3

[dawn heath]

huh

no shot

[fleet pagoda]

did you do this week's weekly quest that awards a pinnacle cache?

[blazing pumice]

i have dagger, bracers, belt

[dawn heath]

💀

where do i pick that weekly lmao

[fleet pagoda]

[blazing pumice]

near the inn

[dawn heath]

got it

fuck

i got baited

friend told me it was catalyst this week so spark next

and thats how it worked

in df

so i assumed it was right

maybe i should just drop the dagger entirely then

and go double dawn

[rotund oak]

yes

[red zealot]

how hard are t8 delves for yall??

[rotund oak]

about 4min afking

[waxen oyster]

Yeah that

[slate crown]

Exile mouse ever step fail noooooo exact thing I warn about (and still die to )

[waxen oyster]

current bountiful set is even easier

[rotund oak]

every time i see LE i wanna log and see if i sold everything from yday

maximum goblinism for the 10mil gold threshold

[undone pollen]

dawnthread on belt and bracers will allow me to equip both still?

its not like boots and belt right?

[waxen oyster]

Why would it be

[agile willow]

You can put it on any combination that the dawnthread fits into

[undone pollen]

you cannot wear boots and belt

ask me how i know

[waxen oyster]

….what

[dawn heath]

well

[fleet pagoda]

you can have two items that say Unique Equipped : Emblished [2] on at once. only two.

[dawn heath]

we figured out

i accidentlky

ruined some guys key

by playing the wrong spec

(we still timed it)

this spec was surely intresting

i only did 60k lower than the other spec

[fleet pagoda]

if that happens you can just walk out the entrance and change talents and walk back in

[dawn heath]

but man

opening from stealth with no garrotes or ruptures

wtf

[waxen oyster]

Yes spatter is a cool thing

[dawn heath]

i had to single apply rupture to all mobs

[waxen oyster]

Let me

[fleet pagoda]

probably similar CT damage to what you showed earlier

[waxen oyster]

play the worlds smallest violin

[rotund oak]

crafted them yday so ill call that bs

[dark thorn]

That's a reason I'd rather play with amplified garrots instead of poison applications/crits regen haha

[dawn heath]

true

[agile willow]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/anyx

I have boots and belt on

[dark thorn]

Simcraft say it's prettu equivalent

[dawn heath]

turns out though

u have good boss damage in this build

i was slapping the bosses

[undone pollen]

have them in my inventory right now will gladly show

[dark thorn]

Is there a way to guarantee Stealth from Shadowmeld on trash mobs in dungeon ? Or am I stuck with pressing button twice and pray for not entering combat ?

[undone pollen]

it wont let me equip both

[agile willow]

Then you have a third embellished piece on that isn't allowing it

[waxen oyster]

Don’t get hit by pulsing damage

or have a dot on you

[balmy condor]

cannot be done, belt + boot impossible combo, this is AI

[fleet pagoda]

it's cursed. i have some luck by lagging behind/away from the group and trying it then, maybe it's feelscraft though

[agile willow]

It won't let you equip a third

[undone pollen]

shit im cooked. its my weapon

[agile willow]

Can recraft it without the embellishment

[dawn heath]

how do i complete the fragment quest quickest

[balmy condor]

or you could just walk around barefoot, it works for xalatath

[fleet pagoda]

👍

[agile willow]

Record them feets

[undone pollen]

xalatath has levitate

doesnt count

[fleet pagoda]

rare spawns, world boss

[balmy condor]

crazy tech

[dawn heath]

i know i did

[stark kraken]

but cannot be in a group

[dawn heath]

heroic duengons

it was reallly good

[rotund oak]

idk how that proves anything though,i literally wear them

waist+wrist

[waxen oyster]

I did delves

[balmy condor]

he had embellished dagger

[waxen oyster]

took 3 delves to get all 100

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

3 delves

math is adding up

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

[agile willow]

Spam that night sactum delve and grab some profaned tinderboxes also.. up to like 12k a piece

[rotund oak]

is there a universe where crafting a non-embelished dagger reasonable?idk what to do with the sparks 😅