assassination

[spice surge]

idk this tier is probably gonna be fine

[marble hemlock]

idk

the nerfs to twister

did almost nothing

[strange python]

well it still needs good boss dps

[spice surge]

Gear makes a huge difference on kyveza

[strange python]

just dont need 2 frost dk mandatory i guess?

[marble hemlock]

i dont think so. youre still oneshot by all mechanics and the dps check isnt really the problem, the staying alive is

[subtle tundra]

it kinda means once you get to the end youll have enough boss dmg to beat enrage

[marble hemlock]

not really, because needing less aoe dam doesnt really translate into more boss dam

[subtle tundra]

it does if you change things to account for needing less dps

[oak eagle]

i forgot, they made it so you cant put bubbling wax on your weaps anymore

[strange python]

its less punishing for bad comps

[oak eagle]

no idea why i started farming this

[bleak spoke]

are you holding for first add set or just trying to blast the boss

[marble hemlock]

when liquid and echo rekill the boss with the same comp as prog and its still a 10min fight with 623 average ilvl and the entire room is full of goop

something went wrong

[subtle tundra]

they are considering the hunter to go BM full ST

[marble hemlock]

you can maybe get away with not NEEDING 2 dk/warr for aoe but like

wow okay cool

what about not needing 2bdk/2pres?

[bleak spoke]

the 2bdk part is the bad part tbh

how play game without grip

[strange python]

we are going to do that for our reclear

[marble hemlock]

we did an evening with bdk+vdh and like

it was playable but

[strange python]

mm hunter boss damage really is so negative

[marble hemlock]

it also wouldve been infinitely easier with double bdk

[strange python]

bdk grip is better isnt it

[marble hemlock]

clown raid

[strange python]

and they wont just randomly explode your raid

[haughty verge]

sub 5 min fight, pot on pull or at execute?

[subtle tundra]

but you cant really change anyone once youre deep in prog cause its not worth the new wipes

[bleak spoke]

dps dk dont even have mass grip lmao

[oak eagle]

i think 2 big reasons, mass grip, and their grips also taunt, not sure if dps dk grips taunt

[marble hemlock]

cant wait for the world 5th, 6th and 7th kill on kyveza to be the same guild as world 1st, 2nd and 3rd

6th boss out of 8 btw

[strange python]

i meant mass grip

compared to dh mass grip

and vdh being bad tank in general

[subtle tundra]

its unbelieveable to me it didnt get any nerfs

[oak eagle]

oh yeah dk mass grip is so much better

[bleak spoke]

i think its just bigger

[marble hemlock]

problem with DH is that the sigil has delay

and less aoe

[marble hemlock]

ye

[strange python]

nexus prince not getting any nerf is wild yea

[bleak spoke]

like the range on it, the instant grip rather than having to wait for sigil to go off

[marble hemlock]

idk why they didnt chunk off like

[strange python]

solotank boss

[marble hemlock]

5% hp from twister either

[spice surge]

The main reason that makes blood DKs really good aint mass grip, its for the single grip that taunts

[strange python]

or not doable

[marble hemlock]

also dnd slow

[subtle tundra]

a boss that needs to get 1 tanked so you can have enough dps to beat enrage isnt ok

[marble hemlock]

and self sustainable

when the raid gets chunked 24/7

but you have to 3heal to meet dps check

the tank debuff hurts like crazy

think like 1 out of 3 wipes was our VDH just exploding for 3mil dam on everyone

[subtle tundra]

i doubt we play 3 heal
we go 4th knowing we cant kill and just want to learn the fight

its stupid otherwise

to wipe to healing

kyveza*

[marble hemlock]

ye idk

its just stupid imo

nerfs on twister arent nearly severe enough

kyveza unnerfed is

idk

like

i get it, because they dont wanna invalidate the hundreds of pulls that guilds put in

but also... fuck that

[spice surge]

Real problem is sikran and rashnan being too easy

[marble hemlock]

ye

i mean kyveza is too hard

[spice spire]

Based eleem

[marble hemlock]

kyveza shouldve been like

[bleak spoke]

i guess they just don't think ppl are getting past ovinax

[long fossil]

Anyone know if Heroic mercurial egg trinket or Myth ring Haste/Mastery is better to take here?

[marble hemlock]

60pull boss

rashanan 20-30

and then you do kyveza 5th, twister 6th

and youd have a decent progression

[royal lantern]

seeing that makes me somewhat happy that we didnt really raid yet and maybe only start mythic this week

[haughty verge]

seli sub 5 min fight, pot on pull with bl or pot at execute phase?

[marble hemlock]

pull

[haughty verge]

tyty

[cloud basin]

I mean if you don't have a hero track weapon already I'd say that lol. The egg isn't that good for us

[long fossil]

Already got 2 hero track weapons, one being Regicide. Got 4 set as well so not needed, only issues atm are my trinkets and rings since I got champion rings with bad stats and for trinkets heroic Ritual Knife and Champion Queen’s Mandate 🤔

I don’t have a good m+ trinket combo since Mandate is just ST

[subtle tundra]

that ring is bis for raid probably

youll play that + last boss ring

[cloud basin]

I mean mandate is still amazing. Egg wouldn't be that good for m+ since you'd move alot

[long fossil]

OH YEAH it’s movement based

[long fossil]

Right good point as well, I’ll get ring then. Thanks bros!

[cloud basin]

Yeah it's crit haste so it's still good atleast

[subtle tundra]

yea myth track

[lethal summit]

what do you think of the ritual knife @long fossil

[long fossil]

Probably won’t need to ever switch that ring

[subtle tundra]

haste mastery

[long fossil]

Love it bro, the positive proc rate is insane and the negative proc rate feels pretty low

And since I got lucky with a heroic version I’m only swapping it out for Ara-Kara sacbrood essentially

[bleak spoke]

0.5 ppm on the stat cut on ritual knife

[cloud basin]

It's not the one from Grim batol? That one's crit haste I thought

[bleak spoke]

its liike statistically normal for it to not proc negative for like 5 minutes

[subtle tundra]

it is, but its haste mastery, our bis

[lethal summit]

that's good to know, i've spent all morning chasing info and reading historical messages in here to decide between that @616 and my 4 tier (which i can probs get anytime). This i'll go for the trinket tbf.

[long fossil]

Yeah essentially

And that’s insane, even better if the proc is Vers which we don’t care about anyway

[cloud basin]

I'm trying to get skardyns, mandate, and sacbrood so I can swap mandate and sacbrood for m+ lol

[ripe carbon]

im tryna sim ascension + lining recraft vs 2x dawnthread lining in raidbots and the sim wont show ascension dagger up for some reason?

[cloud basin]

You have to add the weapon, and then you click the Lil + button to add ascension to it

[ripe carbon]

i did that and it says something error about unique weapon

[long fossil]

You and me both bro 😢

[hybrid tree]

Did wax get patched, so it's no longer usable on 619+ weapons?

[long fossil]

Got mandate so need the other 2

[cloud basin]

Yeah

[bleak spoke]

i think i want to play ritual knife + skardyn's or something like taht but that's just up to chance

low key tilted that the warlock alt i literally capped right before maintainence and rushed a pair of delves on instanltly pulled it out of the vault

[amber brook]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[amber brook]

Does dawnthread stack?

[bleak spoke]

yes

[amber brook]

nvm

at first i saw 700+ only despite wearing 2

hovering again i see 1.5kl

[bleak spoke]

if it's broken for you get hit underthe hp

[ripe carbon]

ah i figured it out, i had to recraft my other armor that had dawnthread lining

so that it could make combo with dawnthread x2 + ascension/writhing

instead i had dawnthread + ascension + writhing which caused error

[dapper cradle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[bleak spoke]

dawnthread uptime is also absolutely insane

[raw zephyr]

how much % haste do you guys and gals like to run on M+ & raid fights?

[bleak spoke]

compared to bsl

[cloud basin]

I think I'm at like 10%? I don't go out of my way for haste lol

I'm at 46% mastery and 32% crit though 😂

[bleak spoke]

tbh ilevel upgrade on pieces with agi are usually just upgrades no matter what the secnodary spread is

if your gear is completely done, it's still the case that the spec feels better with a bit of haste even if it's numerically worse

but luckily (unluckily?) you'll end up with that haste from tier pieces anyway

[cloud basin]

Well yeah but if I have a maxed out hero track piece I'm not replacing it with a base myth piece unless it's the stats I want

[bleak spoke]

even if the final setup is like idk like you only actually play 2p in key or something and go with good stats, you'll sitll probably get some from having sacbrood or something

[plain ridge]

does Deathmark not show up on training dummies?

[bleak spoke]

i'd argue that hase is probably more valuable than it seems for a bunch of the keys, like setting up to pop on ingra moloch or something when casting an env on droman actually means you'll probably miss one during the burn, etc, does not feel good

[inner portal]

deathmark is not a debuff on it's own @plain ridge

[royal lantern]

mate

haste has no impact

[plain ridge]

yeah but i mean its not proccing at all for me

[royal lantern]

10% haste is 1 energy more

[formal palm]

Man don't you just love when you are wondering something, come on discord, check the pin the appropriate channel, and BOOM there it is.

[ripe carbon]

dont dots tick more with haste>?

[marble hemlock]

they do

[marble hemlock]

what does haste have to do with that?

[cloud basin]

Yeah I'll just sit there auto attacking if I don't have energy lol

Hunt them down does a good bit of damage

[celest marlin]

has anyone tried the no Reprimand m+ spec with ICold blood, any reccomendation or i shouldnt be wasting my time with it?

[slate crown]

It does have a debuff of its own, it has a (relatively) low damage dot component to it.

[limber lion]

I have, it's okay. Now that ER works with DS, it's so great for speeding up openers and pulls in general etc

[inner portal]

Realized after like 10mins, my bad :x

[slate crown]

All g

[unkempt warren]

was only a 5 and stuff was dying fast with a ret but my breakdown looks better?

[hushed elbow]

Anyone know what dawnthread uptime is our cutoff? I'm sitting at around 60% on heroic queen and about 65% on mythic bosses

[limber lion]

damn this Flayedwing trinket seems pretty good

[fallen arch]

Yes looks better

[crystal sierra]

How worth is it to use Ironclaw Whetstones? cheapest is 375 attack power for 1180 gold. Where can I see how impactful 375 attack power is? I'm thinking for m+ key farming

[subtle tundra]

Buy mana oil if it's farming

[wet briar]

can just run mana oil if you're a poor

[crystal sierra]

Hit right in the feels

[undone pollen]

if you enchant your weapon with radiant power you cannot use whetstones correcT?

[white kindle]

Surely asked 100 times before. i'm sorry but just to make sure: mad queens trinket is used outside burst (here i'm using skardyn) and hold on CD?
Thanks for help 🙂

[spice surge]

Its effectively agility

[thick juniper]

can you use mandate right after? or is it on 30 sec cd? since its on use also.

[crystal sierra]

Ahh okay nice to know, thanks

[sour oasis]

Guys rhe 4p bonus is only 2.71%????

That’s not a shame ?

[spice surge]

Most sets suck this tier

[sour oasis]

Bro

2.71%

[nova aspen]

thats in single target though

isn't it?

we do much more bleed damage in aoe

[white kindle]

30 sec cd

[indigo shard]

when i got 3 piece and simmed for 4 it was like 8% for me on single target

[kindred pewter]

guys im in need of help

trasnmitter sims the highest

[thick juniper]

oof

[hushed elbow]

skardyns grace

[strong sleet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak eagle]

yeah you forsure take Skardyns

even tho its only hero

it means you dont have to farm Grim Batol anymore

(if you dont have it yet)

[kindred pewter]

i do have skardyns already but only champion

[oak eagle]

yeah you for sure take Skardyns

track upgrade on your BiS trinket

Transmitter is annoying af to use with your CDs

[kindred pewter]

okay ill pick skardyns

thank you 🙂

[oak eagle]

gotchu

[hushed elbow]

not only this but it isnt realized like 40% of the time when it wants you to stand still in poison for 4 seconds lol

[oak eagle]

i hate using Transmitter when bursting, it gets annoying when you have the orb or the soak in the a mechanic

[crisp walrus]

Sorry if this is spammed in here alot already, but is anyone else having a bug where deathstalkers mark stacks dont get consumed by finishers when you have the darkest night buff on you?

Noticed it in mythic+ and its suuper annoying

[oak eagle]

yes

its been a bug for a couple weeks

not sure when its gonna get fixed

[river sundial]

is there a spreadsheet for atrophic poison?

[oak eagle]

wdym

[limber lion]

No

Yep

[idle siren]

If rupture is in pandemic and darkest night is up, which should i prioritize? Or should this be avoided at all costs even if it means casting rupture at higher than pandemic range?

[limber lion]

Pandemic is there to help you

It doesn't mean that you have to cast it the second it's in pandemic

You have 8s to do so

Like just use DN and then apply Rupture with the next finisher

got plenty of time

[oak eagle]

and youll expedite your next DN

[idle siren]

okay fair

[woven torrent]

!macros

can someone give me the macro to use skadryns and deathmark together?

[limber lion]

#showtooltip

/cast Deathmark
/use 13

[idle siren]

think my issue is casting an envenom on my last cast of deathstalkers while rupture is at or close to pandemic and then getting in that weird scenario

[marble hemlock]

(have to put trinket in top trinket slot for that to work)

[woven torrent]

ty!

[marble hemlock]

((putting the on-use trinket in the bottom slot is clearly superior))

[woven torrent]

so i change it to use 14

and be the cool guy?

[marble hemlock]

it doesnt matter, just preference

[fair viper]

Could use a pointer here boys. I have no set pieces, but hero track pieces in bags, both cata charges available and the token from 2k rating. So could get insta 4 set if I take chest🤔

[oblique comet]

Sim it

[somber sparrow]

4 piece will be your largest upgrade

so i'd do that

[golden ravine]

I’d take the chest for the 4 set, the bonus outweighs the poor itemization.

[limber lion]

But again it doesn't matter

I think you're thinking of pandemic in the wrong way

[fair viper]

Thank you!

[dense cove]

does anyone use threatplates instead of plater?

[limber lion]

It does not matter if you apply Rupture at 8s or 0s

[fair viper]

Thank you for the input!

[spring moat]

Pandemic ?

[royal lantern]

corona

[limber lion]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[royal lantern]

or for wow, re-applying dots when they have 30% of their duration remaining, which Puts the remaining timer on the new dot

[idle siren]

ive just ran into scenarios where it feels like a choice between darkest night or letting rupture fall off instead of taking advantage of pandemic. I think its because i choose wrong finishers when doing my rotation instead of thinking ahead

[royal lantern]

yeha do Rupture then

[limber lion]

But that doesn't happen

If your Rupture is in pandemic, then you would press Rupture

If your Rupture is in pandemic and you have DN ready, then you press Envenom first then build for another Rupture again

Like you have 8s to do all of that

Even if you're at 0 cp and no energy, you'll be able to get to 5+ cp twice and finish twice before it runs out

Like Pandemic is "thinking ahead" already for you

You don't really have to think about bleeds before they actually hit pandemic honestly

[idle siren]

yes, i was doing my rotation wrong and focusing on extending envenom instead of utilizing rupture pandemic and so it would be pandemic > i envenom > get darkest night > then envenom again > then rupture after it fell off for like 2 seconds. It was just bad rotation on my part

[limber lion]

Yeah if you're ALREADY in Rupture pandemic and you don't have DN, then you would Rupture

But again, that scenario shouldn't happen

[idle siren]

ya it doesnt happen often, i think it happened once in my raid night last night

and it was due to bad prio on my end

[limber lion]

If Rupture starts to glow, you almost always want to press it as quickly as possible

Practice makes better

[unkempt warren]

did they fix the queen trinket

its not critting anymore for me

lol

[spring moat]

So pandemic isn’t like a proc or anything it’s just a term that we use?

[limber lion]

Yes

Most dot mechanics use the pandemic mechanic

[stark scroll]

term for how buffs and debuffs refresh

[spring moat]

I’ve been reapplying bleeds with five seconds or less

[limber lion]

Yeah not really correct for everything

But for Rupture and Garrote that's fine

[spring moat]

👍

[royal lantern]

Pandemic was originaly a Warlock talent with that function (transfer a part of their duration into a new application if you used it at 30% time remaining)

they noticed that it made gameplay smoother and made it a baseline part for almost all dot based things then

thats where the name comes from

[tropic quarry]

Hey yall, fairly new here - i was wondered if i might be able to get some expert advice from some of the rouge here.... Im fairly new to rouge -

I have 4-5 set, both BIS daggers, but have yet to craft anything....

I know i need to upgrade my neck (593) and one ring, but anything i should be crafting?

[limber lion]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spring moat]

Rogue. Not rouge. Lol

[tropic quarry]

chirst i thought that was a human that typed all that so fast then

[tropic quarry]

hit with the dysleix stick as a child mutiple times

can't even spell that right

[spring moat]

Ikr

[nova aspen]

ITS ROUGE!

[silk spoke]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nova aspen]

also i think rouge is a type of makeup

[spring moat]

I’ve seen quite a few few necks with two sockets those look pretty sexy

[nova aspen]

so if u typo then at least ur pretty

[jaunty kayak]

hello .. how much loss/gain is it generally to run double depths ench on weps versus of double agi proc in m+ and raids? i assume double agi proc as a middle ground for both scenarios? as im seeing ppl in murlok/archon running double depths more in m+ as well

[potent raven]

1 hit

[grave osprey]

My God

I need that

[potent raven]

i ahve a clip of it

[grave osprey]

What’s that other trink thats absolutely trucking rn? Drops from Nexus boss

Armaments or something.

[spice spire]

WAs this on court?

During his weakened phase

[stark scroll]

contract?

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9iscaUp2uyCa657qhuBhjD

haste?!

[subtle tundra]

Yes haste

[strange python]

who said mast/crit

[spice spire]

Makes sense

Mast/crit is general

But we like all stats

So like

Don’t fixate

Just sim shit

[subtle tundra]

Crit has less value on ds

[cinder steppe]

is meta blasphemite +4 colors better than all 4/5 gems of the same type? like its the meta effect worth?

[strange python]

whispyr said haste only give us 2 action for 1min

😦

[spice spire]

Yeah

You also bleed faster

[subtle tundra]

Ok and

[spice spire]

It’s just damage

You’re over thinking it

[strange python]

hmmmmm

[grave osprey]

Treacherous transmitter

[spice spire]

1% crit means you crit one more time every 100 hits

Like

[subtle tundra]

You don't understand stats and sim stat weights

Please sim top gear

[spice spire]

This shit doesn’t matter as much as you make it out to be

Things constantly change as Assassination

[subtle tundra]

Or droptimizer

[spice spire]

Way of life

[strange python]

ohhh shit i need to farm haste gear again onw

now

[spice spire]

Guarantee you @limber lion could make all haste/vers gear and on equal ilvl would do more dam than me

[static glacier]

No you don’t

[spice spire]

That’s not

What this is about

[subtle tundra]

I will bang my head to a table

[spring moat]

I got like six pieces of gear and three trinkets in bags just for sim purposes 🤓

[subtle tundra]

You can add gear to top gear blud

[spice spire]

Don’t target things outside of trinkets/weapons.

You need to farm whatever sims best. Like if you need a neck, look for a neck

[static glacier]

Just focus on maximising ilvl + selecting what the sim says, the difference between stats is a LOT smaller than what you think

[strange python]

WTF server down again?!

[spice spire]

It ain’t that deep

[spring moat]

They always nerf trinkets.

[spice spire]

Ass this to ur top gear bud

Add even

Freudian slip ig

[subtle tundra]

Don't need to, got skardyn in vault

[spice spire]

Dog

[subtle tundra]

😼

[spring moat]

I got that stupid ass transmitter, which is impossible to see in raid

[lean nimbus]

Can anyone give some tips on raid fights with low-health adds? Thinking of Ulgrax, specifically. By the time I get rupture up on a P2 add for caustic splatter, it's already vaporized.

[strange python]

focus boss

[spice spire]

Kill any and all fury warriors while you can

[spring moat]

Stand there and look sexy in your transmog

[spice spire]

[grave osprey]

Its pretty good in ST, falls off pretty hard in AoE though

[vestal cliff]

GUYS

[spice spire]

Very nice

[strange python]

or pretend you are a low-health add

[grave osprey]

HE DID IT

[spice spire]

Good job

[vestal cliff]

holy moly

[strange python]

shit

that trinket

[lean nimbus]

boss can't be focused in phase 2, or I would. Focusing boss works in fights like broodtwister though.

[vast loom]

During KB are we "going ham" or still pooling?

[subtle tundra]

I don't understand how people got fully upgraded on hero track already 😔 in still kinda far off

I'd need to get fed so much loot today

[gleaming geyser]

You preferably pre-pool a bit before kingsbane window

[lucid meteor]

Pool before go ham during

[cinder steppe]

is meta blasphemite +4 colors better than all 4/5 gems of the same type? like its the meta effect worth?

[pliant gazelle]

[limber lion]

ham

[strange python]

get engi head guys. we don't need to buy health potion anymore

[vast loom]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[fallow canopy]

real ones know movement speed is goated

[lethal temple]

Yo I don't know what to do guys

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uhRDemvPKxGYqTi8zbs4Jw

I could farm some more 9+ and get 936 weapon

(got no daggers from raid btw nice game)

or should I do this?

[haughty flicker]

936 weapon

[lethal temple]

Weapon would be the play instead of upgrading?

[thorn slate]

Is there an accurate list of best trinkets or is the bloodmallet site correct with its assumption/sims?

[iron valve]

our stats are all good too, I would probably go for a variety of gems if I actually had sockets

[grim jay]

id argue that list is called a guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fallow canopy]

at the end of the day its just better to sim yo self

[strange python]

Can we just not have a good offhand dagger

[shy pecan]

!oh

[strange python]

How much difference does it make

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[grim jay]

yeah if you dont wanna play

[cinder steppe]

oki thanks!

[strange python]

Mb edited

Haha

Say I have a 623 dagger main hand is there any point in crafting one or just still with 606 offhand

[grim jay]

if you have a mythic mainhand and you dont wanna use ascension

there is no use in crafting one

and even then you might even have better results running a 610 crafted ascension offhand

without a spark

[fickle lotus]

watching Kush play with the tank trinket from first boss is so fucking cursed I can't believe it

[jaunty kayak]

how does staying below 50% energy lead to more env casts? even without sang blades? what am i missing? genuine question

[earnest remnant]

means you spend more time pressing abilities

rather than pooling for sanguine

[lethal temple]

Guess 636 mainhand is the play then

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gu92ZAC785Eb8g6wwp5tPu

[royal lantern]

it means you use energy more for abilitys + sanguine blades eats some energy you could have used for abilitys instead

and deathstalker kinda wants to use abilitys more often

[lavish hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[potent raven]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2260035845

[jaunty kayak]

i find myself starved on energy more often than i would prefer on ST when trying to press more buttons D: muti with 2x vicious venoms chugs

[potent raven]

on 2nd boss stonevault

[jaunty kayak]

even when i try to build 5+ cp , wait for env pandemic, spend, build again, wait, etc.

[strange cargo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/djBTbyxWwY2iAgW1ikQ5Nw
Still got alot of stuff to upgrade, going to see if I can get some swaps for sub for raid I think

[gloomy pendant]

What PvE crafted is the best to go for boys?

[limber lion]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[gloomy pendant]

Ty

[spice spire]

Ahh I believe it

[potent raven]

i posted a clip above

[glacial stump]

Gotta play smart with your cds

[potent raven]

my dps went from 800k to 1,3m

[robust slate]

so if i have my 2 embellished pieces its good to craft 636 everforged stabber dagger right when i get 90 crests ?

[glacial stump]

do you not have daggers?

[robust slate]

i do but hero track

so it cant go to 636

[elder blaze]

So now as Deathstalker is better to be under 50% energy, spending Envenom at 5p intead of 6p or waiting for more energy?

[robust slate]

was wondering if crafting is worth since i have my embellishment pieces

[rustic cape]

Which slot is the best to break tier set?

[orchid cedar]

roughly, how much ahead double dawnthread is in M+ over ascension?

[normal mist]

It's a sim angle

[rustic cape]

Hm , okay

[normal mist]

We have no bad stats

[rustic cape]

Okay , but is better break set than 5pieces?

[normal mist]

Again

It's a sim angle

[floral herald]

guys need your help here as Im not sure to sim correctly. I currently have 0P, already the knife but in champ (vault in hero track) and my other trinket is nothing. I go for an update with knife champ--> hero ? or spyglass ? (mm+ only player

[rustic cape]

Ah okay , thank you

[normal mist]

You have 2 catalyst, you should actually sim catalyzing pieces

[glacial stump]

Thats not a knife, its a trinket

[floral herald]

trinket knife yes sorry

[spice spire]

It’s chest at the top level

But for this absolute very second

Sim

[glacial stump]

I'd sim it, with catalyzing your gear

[spice spire]

Spyglass

[normal mist]

A level most of us won't reach tbf

[spice spire]

I mean I think even at 630ish

[safe bear]

this seems good for assa but i dont see it on any lists. anyone know?

[normal mist]

It's in Wowhead isn't it?

[glacial stump]

yeah

[safe bear]

yeah but wowhead mentioned its not great due to ilvl

which doesnt really help

[glacial stump]

idk how reliable blood mallet is

[normal mist]

It goes up to max hero track

[glacial stump]

just sim it tho

[normal mist]

Now it depends if you get a myth track trinket to replace

[royal lantern]

finisher logic is 5+ CP

exception is with the capstone up, you ofc wanna trigger that one

allright guys, im home, time for vault

[thick juniper]

we aiming for skar and sacbrood for bis trinkets?

[normal mist]

I wish you the best vault because mine sucked

[somber sparrow]

personally the reduction of secondary stats makes it not as desirable, but otherwise it's a stat stick

[normal mist]

It's a sim angle but having those 2 is good

[thick juniper]

ok, ty

[royal lantern]

WELL

IM HAPPY

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah you got my luck

[royal lantern]

i really really really wont complain

thats a sick firsst vault

[normal mist]

POG

[normal mist]

You can cloak the debuffs if it happens during your cds

[glacial stump]

sick man

[naive yacht]

Hello fellow rogues.

[normal mist]

Yo

[kind forge]

bottom right

[night cipher]

I'd take the crystal. I feel it. It speaks to me

[royal lantern]

you think im spamming delves lol

[normal mist]

You should!

[kind forge]

man you did the first two slots

just get the 3rd ffs

my monk brain cannot deal with this

[steel geyser]

I did not step one foot in delve this week

[kind forge]

[spice spire]

Had to check outside for the apocalypse

(Congrats homie)

[naive yacht]

Me joining this discord:

[normal mist]

Do you feel old or?

Or are you a 93 old man

[naive yacht]

I barely feel human, but I never joined this server but I did play rogue for a long time.

[heavy mountain]

Hi.
For raids, specially for cleave, do you use resounding clarity or go with 2/2 lethality?

[robust slate]

im not sure if i should spend my spark on a 636 dagger fn my best dagger is 619

[glacial stump]

Sim it bro

[stoic nexus]

Guys do you have any idea how much % increase in dps is the 4 set piece for assassination?

[robust slate]

aight

[glacial stump]

Depends on your gear, sim it

[keen spruce]

That’s how I felt in legion, then every one called me r-worded for a few years. Then we all became friends

they still call me r-worded but now it’s with love

[pure moth]

resounding clarity

[naive yacht]

I had a gif from Tropic Thunder in my head when you said that 😄

[thorn fjord]

nice

[naive yacht]

GIF or JIF, doesn't matter.

[spice spire]

Padding the yap total

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

I never called u that wtf

[pure moth]

facts

[keen spruce]

You’re not everyone, you’re one of a kind

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee that we didnt do that cus that word is cencored here for a long time

[spice spire]

Babe?

[keen spruce]

It was implied

[royal lantern]

source: i was a dummy when i joined and said it 3x in a row and was confused why my message went away

🙂

[spice spire]

Oh I implied it heavily - but I also don’t use that word when describing people outside of medical scenarios

[royal lantern]

and today you are our little pilot duck

[normal mist]

Meanwhile mods looking at the bot pings

[spice spire]

I’d just say ur fried

Or a certified menace

[keen spruce]

[pure moth]

or degen

[normal mist]

Tbf we cant beat #outlaw

[spice spire]

Does oxi still have the scoreboard going

[normal mist]

They have like 1/2 R words a day

[normal mist]

@gusty mirage

[spice spire]

When I first joined it was PVP country in that channel

[normal mist]

Still is

Ahahahaha

[spice spire]

But @hollow river (a goat) cleaned them up as much as anyone can

Nah

It was rough

[normal mist]

I heard that #transmog went thru dark times as well

[stiff nest]

does anyone have the crit thread embilshment? curious what the uptime is in 10+ keys

[stable cove]

should i macro thistle tea to kingsbane???

[normal mist]

No

[subtle tundra]

blizz needs to make affix balls not make it insta wipe on bosses

if you get it during mechanic

sometimes you just cant soak them

and it gives 10% dmg each

[stable cove]

why

jw

[normal mist]

We use tea during shiv windows if it gives you 100 energy when you press it

[stable cove]

ahhh kk

but not if it will waste enegy?

[normal mist]

Yep

[stable cove]

aka give you less than 100

gotcha

this true during kingsbane window also?

[normal mist]

You want the energy to spam envenoms

Shiv windows = kb windows

[stable cove]

ah kk

[normal mist]

If you play 2 shivs, you cover the whole kb with them

[stable cove]

thank u for the tips

[normal mist]

If only one, you cover the last 7ish seconds with it

[stable cove]

kk i run 2

[normal mist]

Then shiv - kb and tea while shiv is active to gain 100 energy so you can spam more and more envenoms

And then shiv again when the first one ends

[pulsar sluice]

hi may i ask you someting guys ?

[normal mist]

You just did

[pulsar sluice]

what about another one ?

[normal mist]

You just did again

Jkjk what's up

[pulsar sluice]

okay then i will ask two questions 😄

thanks im trying to undrestand rotation and have one question

[normal mist]

Yes

[pulsar sluice]

im trying to cast envenom with min5 stacks but is it worth duruing kingsbane up i mean it might be better to spam it with 2 3 stack maybe ?

[onyx rock]

You can also just makro tee and shiv 🤷‍♀️ i have many 99 logs and do it like this forever

[normal mist]

Eh

[normal mist]

No

You use your finishers always with 5 or more combo points

[pulsar sluice]

okay thank you i got my answer 🙂

[faint path]

Dude I'm tired of that shit my character stuck literally 0 item from raid shitty item from vault none taking to keys like did full hc 0 item full normal 0 item always rolling 10 or 40 ffs

[normal mist]

That's life

I rolled 2 bad vaults in a row too

[coral ibex]

buy a wow token for better roll seeds

[keen spruce]

[past forum]

My rogue gettin scraps while my dh alt had full heroic tier after first reset, kyveza fist and trinket too

[faint path]

look at that shit one guy taking everyting from pug raid and I didnt even get 1 item from raid yet lmao

[coral ibex]

thats pug life

[normal mist]

Ah I see the problem now

The word pug was mentioned

[reef stirrup]

any one have any good videos for assassin?

[normal mist]

@ whispyr on YouTube

[nova aspen]

pug swoops in with his 580 ilvl, system is liek oo big upgrades give it all to him

[keen spruce]

I prefer the @ whispyr on OF

But the YouTube is good too

[timid marsh]

Does bloodstorm procc poison?

[cyan dew]

Guys, elemental focus lens is simming like .4% more than dawnthread, is it normal or prob my gear?

[hollow river]

[rugged venture]

They fix wax yet?

[normal mist]

Probably not

[rugged venture]

Depression

[median igloo]

at this point i assume it was intended. i just went ahead and bought more whetstones

[normal mist]

Why are people so mad about it

[rugged venture]

I'll never financially recover from whetstones xD

[normal mist]

Just don't buy them

Get oils

Lol

[midnight atlas]

because it was a cool rogue only thing

[normal mist]

I understand that part

[rugged venture]

It was pretty sick

[median igloo]

actually keybinding pick pocket was cool. time to remove it again

[rugged venture]

Lock picking? What's that's

Never heard of it

[normal mist]

We can still use it

There are boxes

[nova aspen]

some ppl probably spent 1+ hours pickpocketing kobolds pre-season

like me

[golden loom]

So caustic doesnt do anything on Rashanan right? saw Whispyr had it on his 99 parse today so tried it, but realized now that it did 0 damage for him and 0 damage for me 🤔

[nova aspen]

[midnight atlas]

i got 1 box this whole xpac, and one whisper to unlock a box

[normal mist]

I also have like 200h worth of wax in my bags

[rugged venture]

They die so fast I don't even bother with caustic

[normal mist]

Right

[cobalt tangle]

and 0 damage to me as well, first kill i got i though that my talents had bugged out

[normal mist]

Because caustic is around the boss

[midnight atlas]

is it bug or the adds too far away ?

[cobalt tangle]

2kill confirmed that does shit on rash

[normal mist]

Adds aren't near enough the boss

[stable cove]

ahhhh ok see i was using tea during kb windows to maintain mast buff

[stable cove]

regardless of energy

[normal mist]

We learn every day

[stable cove]

love u royal

[normal mist]

I love you more

[midnight atlas]

oh man caustic tricked me during ranashan also

0 fuckin dmg

good to know

[grim jay]

just have someone grab them into the boss

[normal mist]

Who is this davyn

With a cute profile picture

[grim jay]

its the one that got called a kitten

by a method hunter

in m+

so I had to adapt

[normal mist]

Did you meow?

[grim jay]

no, I accidently pulled a group, said sorry mb and he said "dont worry kitten"

but I kitten-ed him back as he took a frontal and said sorry

[normal mist]

LOL

[spice spire]

Hello kitten

[grim jay]

hey big dawg

hope you are feeling purrfectly fine today

[normal mist]

Oh no

The cat pun

[grim jay]

ngl I'd immediately take the cat in my pfp

[hollow berry]

Any macro help for thistle tea after shiv?

[grim jay]

so fucking cute

[grim jay]

no

[normal mist]

No

[normal mist]

CAT

[grim jay]

kinda looks like you disappointed him/her

[normal mist]

True

[keen spruce]

I walked up the stairs without food

[normal mist]

Shame on you

[grim jay]

even his/her tail is a questionmark

ngl

[pure moth]

meow

[keen spruce]

He too fat

[spice spire]

No he perfect

Shut ur mouth shmeeps

[keen spruce]

He fat

And orange brain

[spice spire]

Okay so he’s perfect

??

[faint path]

which quest gives us spark ?

[keen spruce]

Always bullied by BIL’s other cat

[urban iron]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow berry]

Not good to do or I should find solution elsewhere?

[spice spire]

Not good to do

[keen spruce]

Not good to do

Goddamnit

[hollow berry]

Gotcha. Thanks

[keen spruce]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[radiant quest]

Hi guys, which item should I upgrade:

[pure moth]

weapon

[static fossil]

which emelishments are recomended for m+ ? in the wowhead guide its dawnthread lining but i see almost all top M+ the sigil + writhing

[frank condor]

general rogue question: my healer was complaining I take more damage than other classes from basic dots and shit. is this true or is he just gaslighting me? is it maybe because ass rogue doesnt stack vers?

[radiant quest]

kk, thx!

[keen spruce]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[static fossil]

Oh tanks did not know this 😄

[pure moth]

they are probably running that at high end for more ST/Priority damage but youll see us avg folk use dawnthread

[keen spruce]

Or they just made raid embellishments and are just using those for now until more sparks. Probably a bit of both

[pure moth]

yeah

[static fossil]

most are indeed also progging raid

[spare shoal]

!trinkets

[keen spruce]

Sims to decide on trinkets probably

[open reef]

Hey guys fast q, do we wait for a 4p with deathmark and vanish garrote?

[pure moth]

everything just hurts; ive gone through many healing pots. i've never used as many defensives as before

[keen spruce]

Rogue squish

[spare shoal]

was looking for the treacherous transmitter wa 😅

[keen spruce]

Oh lol

[fickle lotus]

I absolutely take more dmg than other classes if I don't have a cd up

was running a 10 and if I didn't feint I was dead to random aoe

[keen spruce]

Rogue very squish to rot

[narrow basalt]

How important is the bis ring seal of the poisoned pact? I can choose between champion track ring or hero track chest xD

[keen spruce]

Nothing is ever that important

Except like trinkets sometimes. I’d just sim an upgraded champion track poison ring against a regular hero track or myth track ring

And see how close they are

[white holly]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

Cuz if you’re gonna replace the champion track with any random hero track ring then you might as well just grab hero track stuff now

[cold wharf]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[grave osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cold wharf]

has anyone found out why wax was changed and if it was intended? using whetstones in M+ seems unreasonably expensive

[keen spruce]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[keen spruce]

Use oil for now probably

And pin is up to date afaik

[cold wharf]

i understand that but why allow it for all of beta and two weeks into season then stealth nerf it without any notes?

[normal mist]

maybe it IS a bug

[cold wharf]

one can hope

[grave osprey]

Are we still vanishing in the last 3 seconds of Kingsbane?

[spice spire]

No

[static glacier]

normally ends up being significantly earlier

depends on opener rng though, you just vanish when gar is in pandemic range

on st

[grave osprey]

I didnt think so.

[normal mist]

well it seems that fucking trinket is my best choice from the vault AHHHH

[static glacier]

not a socket angle?

[fallow canopy]

get ready to be a nerubian bud

[static glacier]

if you can comfortably farm hero track dropping m+ the trink is low value imo

[normal mist]

aren't those on the AH now and we can buy them?

[static glacier]

only for jewelry, for head / waist and wrist its vault socket

[normal mist]

tbf getting the trinket will help upgrading any other trinket to 619 easier

[static glacier]

true it does save crests

[rotund monolith]

do we run same build for all bosses in the raid? Or do we swap into the M+ spec when cleave bosses

[keen spruce]

There’s some talent variation. You’ll probably not use a full m+ setup tho

[dire slate]

Is there anyone I could watch to really learn assa? I just can't figure out what I am doing wrong.
Also is there a way to know how much damage I should be doing in specifik keys?

[keen spruce]

Casualaddict streams keys occasionally. Better to just learn from guides and practice though. Decisions are too variable and comp dependent to effectively learn from watching someone else

And no there is t really a target damage number

[runic basin]

Quick question for clarification, how far away are you usually from a target dummy in a simulation?

[keen spruce]

It shouldn’t be that close

[static glacier]

depends on comp and key level / way tank pulls, assuming you're vs similarly geared people you should be topping overall

[keen spruce]

Because sims have raid buffs and consumables

[runic basin]

i tunred them off

[static glacier]

you can hit your sim then

sin isn't particularly difficult to execute in st

[dire slate]

I see. Thx for your input!

[static glacier]

remember sim is an average / median of thousands of pulls

you can beat your sim on a luckier pull

[keen spruce]

Yeah and variance isn’t as high as it used to be but it’s still significant

[runic basin]

i sim 3.4m and do 3.05m (3 Min. 5 Targetdummy, no buffs)

[keen spruce]

Variance will be much higher in AoE

[static glacier]

you simming 5t or dslice?

[runic basin]

5t

[static glacier]

poison bomb / crit rng can massively swing aoe

[keen spruce]

Ig the question is why?

[crisp stream]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[static glacier]

focus more on the process than the result, you maintaining good bleed uptimes / spatter uptime / no inefficient darkest night fails

[keen spruce]

There are much more productive uses of your time than trying to match a 5m 5t sim on dummies

[novel parcel]

Whats the name of this trinkets buff in logs? I've been trying to find it for like 20 minutes but I think logs just...doesnt track the buffs it gives? I was wanting to see if it was worth gettin a normal main stat trinket

[uncut knot]

Hey guys, here's my vault, would would u choose between tier piece or dagger ? im curious : (i only aim MM+)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pFNp3xNdxP7YQ2Ya7LWEdR

[keen spruce]

Dagger

Why would it be tier piece?

[static glacier]

he has 2pc

[uncut knot]

Im not planning on raiding at all, so looting tier piece could take time no?

[spice spire]

Catalyst

[static glacier]

can you get 4pc this week with catalyst / token from 2.5k?

[keen spruce]

You have catalysts ye

[pure moth]

but its a mythic track dagger...

[keen spruce]

Also tier stinky

[static glacier]

myth track dagger is effectively 3ilvls on mh, its not that major

[keen spruce]

Just take good wep and it won’t need to be replaced

[static glacier]

thing is he doesn't have 636 crafted dagger yet

im leaning dagger

[keen spruce]

It’s stronger now and won’t get replaced later

[uncut knot]

Alright i'll take dagger then, thanks guys

[keen spruce]

Tier stinky and can be acquired 1000 different ways

[uncut knot]

For wep enchant, if im only doin MM+, autorithy of the depths still bis ? i see all rogues taking this enchant

[keen spruce]

Idk

[restive falcon]

i think m+ u want radiant power and depths for raid

[thick juniper]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[long pier]

if you've already crafted your weapon, is there anything else to save/use the Gilded Harringer Crests for? Or simply just start upgrading myth track gear

[echo fox]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale shore]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hollow compass]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

I was wondering for this week craft...

i might go for a finger, its 2 free sockets right? (1 free 1 i can buy from AH)

[twin plume]

I went feet cuz I got big belt with gem

[normal mist]

both my belt and feet are crafted

with dawn

[west crown]

You have good weapons?

[halcyon grail]

RIP bubbling wax.

[keen spruce]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[keen spruce]

You can buy sockies?

[normal mist]

619 - 606

[keen spruce]

Tf is the point of vault sockies then?

[normal mist]

can only craft 619

[normal mist]

sec

[twin plume]

head, wrist, belt

[cunning garden]

we want to be crafting this dagger right?

[spice spire]

Correct

[cunning garden]

ty

[spice spire]

Intellect dagger

Are not for us

[west crown]

If you are raiding and aren’t contested for daggers I’d probably just fill out a spot in your gear. Ring isn’t a bad idea

[keen spruce]

Oh ring only ic ic

[spice spire]

Literally so dumb and agile I pre typed the wrong word fr

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hoDa6zgTtj2eqqM4YMHuo6

[normal mist]

ring and neck

[spice spire]

Or neck buddy

Get woke

[glass spade]

In AOE do we want to make sure we keep reapplying garrote to the entire mob as it expires? Sometimes have to vanish to get IC to reapply it and wondered if that’s a DPS loss rather than just up keeping ruptures and pumping ST w envenom

[keen spruce]

Ty ig that was the same as before

[keen spruce]

Shaddup

[spice spire]

It was only neck before wasn’t it

[keen spruce]

[glass spade]

I apply garrote on everything to start each pull I just struggle reapplying it to everything when I have to keep waiting 6 seconds and it feels like I would be doing more damage just pumping ST

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[keen spruce]

You don’t reapply garrote

Maybe to like one additional target other than your primary

[glass spade]

That will make a big difference for me I think

[keen spruce]

But even 2 is kind of a pain in the ass

[glass spade]

I feel like I waste so much time I could be doing damage running around applying 1 at a time every 6 seconds

Do we reapply ruptures????

[spice spire]

Yes

[keen spruce]

Ye

[glass spade]

Okay beautiful

[spice spire]

For the 20% and energy regen

Garrote as you can

But like

Don’t focus it

[glass spade]

Thank you so much

I definitely have messed that up

[keen spruce]

And only if the mobs will live most of the rupture

That you’re re-applying

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

I’ve sent some 2cp ruptures and been thrilled

[tepid lichen]

do u stop rupturing at max scent stacks?

[spice spire]

The answer is “it depends”

[keen spruce]

Often you just do your opener, then refresh like 2-3 ruptures

[spice spire]

How large is the pull

[keen spruce]

Even at giga high keys

[tepid lichen]

im only doing 10s

[glass spade]

Mannnnnn have I been screwing up AOE

you guys would probably laugh watching me play

[spice spire]

Why would we laugh

[keen spruce]

Yeah if you’re in a decent group packs really wont be living long enough to fully refresh a bunch of ruptures

[spice spire]

If someone is doing something wrong - you try and suggest fixing

[keen spruce]

Even in. +10

[spice spire]

If someone is doing something wrong and refuses to change because they know they’re right then you can laugh

[keen spruce]

Or if you know they know better and they’re just making woopsies

Then I can laugh

[tepid lichen]

my issue seems to be playing around caustic properly, i find i lose the target that has DSM+caustic on it in large pulls sometimes when i have to refresh dots or do impromptu kicks

maybe focus target macro or smth can fix?

[keen spruce]

Getting a good player setup to organize nameplates is very important

You can also use mouse over macros for rupture. Focus kick also good

I wouldn’t focus your primary target

Kind of defeats the purpose

Of focus

[tepid lichen]

ive tried a few nameplate settings from diff ppl but they're all hideous 😅 made my own but i feel like it isn't there yet

[keen spruce]

Make sure you’re using stacking and not overlapping

[split cipher]

Jundies is a good starting point to tinker from

[keen spruce]

And add some extra spacing between them

I found that I vibe with tank player setups the best

Naowh and dorki both good. Just gotta add some bleed stuff in there

And get used to the aggro colors being backwards

[open reef]

Hey guys, do We delay our deathmark for a 4set bonus buff (10% dmg from bleeds) ?

[glass spade]

I love the depth to this spec.. every time I think I’m doing well reality kicks in and I learn how much better I can get

Between sanguine blood pooling & priority & utility I’m always learning

[cinder pebble]

How are you playing with transmitter?
Keep it on cd? Keep it with every KB if possible?

[keen spruce]

Almost certainly no

But I’m not 100%

[dark thorn]

Same, not 100% sure but delaying DM also implies delaying Kriss+KB which is probably bad I guess ?

[open reef]

well 5-10 delay ?

sec

4 set gives all our bleeds 10% more dmg

[keen spruce]

Delaying is generally never the shmoove

[spice spire]

Unless

[spice spire]

No

[dark thorn]

Applying DM almost doubles bleed ticks so you might be having 2p 5+ stacks within 3 or 4 seconds I guess ?

[keen spruce]

Unless you’re delaying crime to see if your conscious will kick in or something idk

[spice spire]

If a fight is gonna be like 5:30

You’d delay your last dm to line with potion

[keen spruce]

Tru tru

The rashok special

[dark thorn]

2p is so weird tho. Why not giving each tick +1 stack instead of randomizing the thing, and ajusting 4p to 8% or some shit

[keen spruce]

Tier stinky

[rotund oak]

yup

[keen spruce]

Better to pretend it doesn’t exist and just play the game

[rotund oak]

biggie stinky

[dark thorn]

Also, been training on dummies for many hours the last week, at some point there's always a moment I gotta refresh rupture during Black night buff and it feels so annoying to miss a combo gen on this ><

Should I just refresh rupture a little above 9sec remaining to avoid that or what

Same question for DM+kriss+KB : Sometimes I get eg. 13sec remaining on rupture the moment I cast DM, so 11sec when casting KB, I don't find how to avoid that

[cinder pebble]

any ideas ? 🙂

[fickle girder]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spice spire]

Probably line with dm

Depends on other trinket

[arctic cove]

so everyone who crafted 2x dawnthread fucked up or what? seems like all toprogues playing dagger thing

[cinder pebble]

Oh ok. Good to know

[spice spire]

Read the command

Not directed at you

It’s just like the 6th in 24 hours that have it explained above

[fickle lotus]

yeah you fucked up now blizz has cursed your account with bad loot rng GG

[arctic cove]

sorry just got here, ill scroll up

[spice spire]

It’s a pretty well thought out.
No worries it happens!

My

Was just frequency

[cerulean nest]

anyone got a working talent build for M ovinax?

[spice spire]

Jokes on you bud, you falsified info, your next vault is all capes and none are very rare

[fickle lotus]

To be fair I don't even run what the craft command even reccomends :3

[spice spire]

Jail

[fickle lotus]

Don't worry i'm already in jail and it's called grim batol

Have yet to get a single usable hero piece of loot and i've ran nearly 60 dungeons since M+ came out

[fickle girder]

fucked up? how big of a difference do you think that is?

[runic hinge]

it's like .4% xdddd

[cobalt sphinx]

Dawnthread better in keys and even in any fights under 2 mins i think

Difference is so small it isn’t really a big deal

[spice spire]

Twinsies

But I have a 7 GB now

[fickle girder]

the only actually noticeable benefit of the dagger one is that you get to craft a 636 dagger, that's the biggest boost

[spice spire]

Surely this is the time

[safe mantle]

is there a reason why i shouldnt craft this because to be honest it looks very good to me but wow head says too that you shouldnt craft it

[keen spruce]

It dog shit

[proven jasper]

Its POOP

Definitely

[keen spruce]

Stinky doodoo dog shit

[thick juniper]

best way to farm gilded runes?

[spiral escarp]

Can I just craft a dagger (without embellishment) and keep the embellishments on wrists/waist?

[spice spire]

Yes

[fickle lotus]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

Wasting an embellishment slot to do damage to yourself

[spice spire]

9s

[spiral escarp]

Ok, nice.

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[thick juniper]

ty

[worn tulip]

Is crimson tempest suppose to be my highest damage output on cleave?

I’m sustaining 1.5 mil on dummies and that seems to be my top unless details was tripping

[haughty lantern]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Spatter should be

[keen spruce]

Spatter or CT depending on your build ig

[spice spire]

Boss damage

[haughty lantern]

spatter go splat

[keen spruce]

Spatter to be spatting

Do

[worn tulip]

I was running mythic plus build

I guess I’ll look at it again

[spice spire]

There’s multiple

[keen spruce]

There are several of those

[spice spire]

[worn tulip]

Ah

[keen spruce]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[haughty lantern]

only lost to our gigachad arcane mage (also i am noticing that as a melee, ANY fight where i have to step away from the boss is instantly a significant dps loss)

[keen spruce]

Ye that is just melee

[oak tangle]

so out of habit, i've been doing it, but recommended ST raid build doesn't have improved garrote, so like a dumb, i've been attempting to apply empowered garrotes

[keen spruce]

But we don’t have to stop casting for movement

[oak tangle]

👍

[keen spruce]

So it evens out

[red hearth]

still an eternal discussion 😛

[keen spruce]

Raids really haven’t been that melee unfriendly in a long time

[oak tangle]

i started playing this week, imported a build and played like it was season 2 Df

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

not unfriendly, just dps unfriendly (I say this from the perspective of a lifelong BM hunter main)

[keen spruce]

Well sure mechanics are supposed to be unfriendly