assassination

[arctic bramble]

anyone got a WA/Addon similar to Smart Misdirect? the WA Smart Misdirect doesnt work for me anymore

[silver escarp]

The "replace existing gem/enchant" ?

[slate crown]

Only 4+ colors

[slate crown]

!tricks I don't use this but I've seen some use it

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[silver escarp]

AAh well if it was hidden when you don't check that box

[visual bison]

idk if this is the right place to even ask this but I saw that outlaw was simming noticeably higher in dungeon slice than assassination, so is assassination still king? also seeing some outlaws pop up on rio leaderboard

[slate crown]

yeah it's hidden if the first box isn't checked

[silver escarp]

But 4+? I don't need vers.. I have 11% already that's a lot

[marsh grail]

gentlemen how come the bis section in the assa wowhead guide is showing a tier chest (it already has 5 set)

[silver escarp]

Cuz it depends on your other gear. Maybe you can use the stats on it

[runic hinge]

They are both good. Play what you like king.

[acoustic hamlet]

anyone got a clickable WA for poisons which works good ? mine (from wago) just keeps bugging out

[slate crown]

!stats you need stats period, all stats are good, don't think of you having a lot of a stat already

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[visual bison]

I mean I like both, hard to pick

[slate crown]

The robot will tell you if it's worth

Frankly, you don't know that this is true unless the robot tells you otherwise

[silver escarp]

I know. But if i can get more crit/mastery it's always good. But yea raidbot still tell me to get one vers gem

[runic hinge]

I’m biased

[acoustic hamlet]

its bugging out so hard that is shows in combat that i have remaining 2 days xD

[spark pulsar]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[fringe surge]

should i get spyglass or 626 haste crit waist?

[silk bane]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

[silk bane]

I may or may not have copied my wft folder :^)

[slate crown]

[woven shore]

fuck it IM GOING TO WORK

[silk bane]

time to rebuild everything. what a vibe

[woven shore]

[silk bane]

okay can u help em idk what is going on and im losing my mind rn

my game keeps crashing

and keeps deleting all my wa's

it just crashed and deletetd everything again

[haughty flicker]

thats cursed

although thats also what happened to me a while back now that i think of it

it only crashed once though

[silk bane]

it crashes as soon as i open plater

[vagrant tide]

Anyone using Imperfect Ascendancy Serum? It sims so high but i dont see it on any top trinket list

[balmy condor]

it loses to skardyns/transmitter

and doesn't go higher than 626

so it's doomed

[autumn rover]

anyone else having issues applying wax to weapon?

[balmy condor]

pins

[autumn rover]

oh RIP

[arctic socket]

I’m really sad your 636 doesn’t have a wep enc

619*

[drifting basin]

im confused and dont understand which way the sarcasm is leaning in this pin? is double vanish less dmg or echo xdd

[balmy condor]

double vanish less damage

[drifting basin]

ahh

ty

[balmy condor]

he's not being sarcastic really

me and him actually agree on double vanish being useful in very specific situations

the problem is that unless you're playing keys where you can be aware of what those situations are

[vagrant tide]

Okay, opinions pls, should i got for Hero Tier chest upgrade from Champ tier, Hero Tier legs, upgrade from Veteran, or Hero Sac?

[balmy condor]

it's awful

and so like

he plays double vanish for X situation

and everyone goes "oh I need to run double vanish"

which is braindead

[balmy condor]

hero legs probably safest

[arctic socket]

Whispyr, gimmie advice how to get invited to keys

[silver escarp]

Play tank

Or healer

[brazen sonnet]

Find friends, up your own key

[faint path]

which hero track ring?

[young dust]

i only see one hero track ring

[faint path]

sim says crit mast

check 2 screenshot righ side 😄

[young dust]

oh i thought it was only one

I'd definitely go for crit mast. You'll get your needed haste from some tier pieces and possibly Sureki Insignia

[rotund oak]

wahtever the sim says

[young dust]

chest and gloves from tier set already give haste, sureki gives 5k haste

[balmy condor]

don't pug

[young dust]

I'm at a point where i overcapped haste with rings

and it sims like shit

[rotund oak]

..

[young dust]

I'd get 40k more sim on dslice switching to a mastery ring

[autumn rover]

What's better? Hero track skardyns or 4 set

[rotund oak]

whatever the sim says

[balmy condor]

probably the skardyns but yeh

sim

[rotund oak]

u gonna have this every reset? 😅

nerf sin asap

[bronze plover]

good morning everyone

[maiden bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bronze plover]

i have hero dagger do u recommend crafting 636 dagger or wrist?

[rotund oak]

think craft dagger is actually very good OH

[young dust]

you have 3 sparks now, why not a dagger and wrist+belt

[balmy condor]

great question tbh

[rotund oak]

but the amount of wpns u can get from vault and keys

questionable

[bronze plover]

rly we have 3 sparks now?

[wise plume]

yes

[rotund oak]

yeah we do

[young dust]

I'm farming gildeds for wrist+belt and i already have the dagger

going for dawnthread on both, ascension can go to hell

[bronze plover]

ok thank u so i go for dagger for now i have waist crafted with runed so i have to recraft later

so u crafted ur dagger with dawnthread?

[drifting basin]

why does every single shoulder this tier have vers

wtf is this

[young dust]

you cant dawnthread the dagger, so i have no embellishments at the moment

[hot fulcrum]

Is it true that it's better to have chest as an off-set? In ideal world

[young dust]

[balmy condor]

yes

[rotund oak]

yup

ive got myth track chest from vault though so

not so ideal world

u play with wahtever u get fam

bis profiles are cringe

[young dust]

yeah and you'll probably get a better chest either on vault or mythic ansurek

[tawny junco]

[bronze plover]

i got leg 1/6 mythic and arakara trinket hero my sims tell 1044M st with leg and 1045M with trinket as taking mythic sets is difficult which one do u recommend ?

[thorn crater]

Second week of disappointments :p best vault item is a 6ilvl upgrade on tier legs lmfao

[rotund oak]

ilvl upgrade is cool fam

keep fighting

[pliant remnant]

Keep in mind you can farm Hero trinkets

[thorn crater]

Ye just sad I still have an adventurer neck haven’t seen anything else

[young dust]

if the trinket is mythic track i would consider it

[thorn crater]

And delve trinkets lmfao (not the dagger)

[hot fulcrum]

But what if I have 2 options (atm I have 0 tset items).
Take myth chest from vault and build 4pc with it
Or take hero head. build 4pc (cat + token) + I have haste/master hero chest from m+

[thorn crater]

Vault gave sikran but meh

[bronze plover]

its hero tbh but leg piece is set and mythic

[pliant remnant]

trinket hero

[drifting basin]

i got this badboy from vault. Thoughts on this; i craft shoulders (since every shoulder has shit stats) and prayge for dagger from Bloodhound? am i cooking or na

[thorn crater]

Mana oil over whetstone?

[rotund oak]

sounds cool

whetstone

[drifting basin]

im poorboy

[young dust]

go for mythic, you can easily farm the trinket on m+

[pliant remnant]

🦜

[coral ibex]

is there a channel with all of the bot commands? i find them all really useful

[young dust]

this trinket isnt even entirely needed as well

[thorn crater]

Maybe I take tokens and upgrade legs myself?

[young dust]

compared to skardyns grace

[thorn crater]

Can I aim for the socket?

[cursive knoll]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[dry bough]

hi what to craft with the 3rd spark (for raids) ?

[coral ibex]

bro press win+shift+S

[thorn crater]

Lmfao

[coral ibex]

to take a screenshot

[thorn crater]

I’m old

[coral ibex]

or print screen

[runic gorge]

lol

[rotund oak]

u could get the socket and keep it for a myth track gearpiece but ild value this prio :
wpns=>trinkets=>tier piece/ilvl

[knotty canopy]

Best use of 3rd spark for m+ when rocking Double crit embelishement would be a dagger without embelishement right?

[rotund oak]

depends but if u dont have a wpn yeah most likely

should just sim urself

[slate crown]

[left tendon]

How is our set bonus doing for assa?

[knotty canopy]

Well i have 626 mainhand so 636 should be the biggest Upgrade

[rotund oak]

go for it then,idk,whatever numbers say

[long fossil]

Mercurial egg sims insane compared to Mandate in aoe, but myth ring Haste/Mastery would replace champion rings... What are your thoughts?

current trinkets

[thorn crater]

the thing is i can just upgrade the legs on my own no? got 610 ones already

its just 2 upgrades

[dim tide]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[rotund oak]

u should just sim urself fam.If u dont have wpns or tier piece dont think anything else,just close those holes.

[thorn crater]

i did sim myself

[rotund oak]

aaaand?

[thorn crater]

6ilvl upgrade on legs is the best thing i can get which is sad

[rotund oak]

well ye u get ur answer then

[thorn crater]

so i guess socket to hold and spend some carved

or take the bullet

[rotund oak]

[thorn crater]

still think the socket is more overall value ngl

[rotund oak]

its a good take if u ask me but not my vault

[thorn crater]

funny i got a champ track skardyns yday and i was like i wont upgrade it i might get hero skardyns from vault

lmfao

[left tendon]

After i Got 4 set it only sims 2k more is there a build for 4 set or do it just sucks?

[rotund oak]

u can get a hero track skardyns anytime u want fam

the true question is myth track skardyns

spamable m+ keys allows that

[tough widget]

ofc my mythic item in vault rolls on chest piece

[rotund oak]

same here,took it and crystaline radiance that mfker 😅

[thorn crater]

goes to show how terrible sikran's arsenal is when momentum of courage 10 ilvls lower is higher dmg lmfao

[blazing badge]

BiS Myth track ring, or +9 ilvl to chest, or +10 ilvl to helmet on hero track.

[tacit wedge]

....oh, that's...weird and new

[crystal helm]

spammed GB the past 2 days hoping for skardyns drop or in vault, but i guess it's time to get 4set

[blazing badge]

I would get a trinket and upgrade 4th piece of set

[tacit wedge]

nvm, i'm stupid, i forgot i didn't picked up my wrists after recrafting

[silver copper]

Which of the two?

[tough widget]

this is still a clear get chest and make set piece pick i guess

[rotund oak]

whatever u do dont sim

[thorn crater]

look at the flex lmfao

[silver copper]

i mean neck gives 20k , but back gives survability and 4k

[blazing badge]

Not the haste necklace.

[silver copper]

Why not?

[waxen oyster]

you can argue neck gives survivability

due to healer mana

[thorn crater]

what drops myth items? mythic raid and +what?

[silver copper]

+10

[blazing badge]

It's hero track + very non-bis stats

[waxen oyster]

10 vault

[thorn crater]

only vault?

[waxen oyster]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[thorn crater]

or dungeon drop as well?

[waxen oyster]

vault only

or mythic raid

[silver copper]

I simmed a crafted neck with mastery/haste and it gives less than this one

[waxen oyster]

sin doesnt have bad stats

that neck is just free stats

[rotund oak]

seen more vaults this morning asking what to take,than FFTs during university

[thorn crater]

uhm the socket item says it can be used on head bracer or belt

does that exclude the other slots?

[waxen oyster]

you can buy jewelry ones

off AH

[thorn crater]

i am sorry i dont understand what that means.

im talking about the token nerubian gemweaver thing

[waxen oyster]

ring neck sockets

[blazing badge]

sim mastery crit

[thorn crater]

what about chest pants etc

[waxen oyster]

never could socket those

[thorn crater]

ah gotcha

[silver copper]

Thats what i simmed, sorry. mistype

[waxen oyster]

not even better than haste or vers unless you have too much of those

[thorn crater]

well then i just take socket and used on the crafted embellished piece

[waxen oyster]

except pvp gear

has its own

[rotund oak]

u get the drift 🤝

[rugged oyster]

is it better to take hc mandate or myth track grace?

[waxen oyster]

i found an nda worthy glitch

in this expac

[cedar hare]

Wax dosent work anymore???

[knotty summit]

I'll go for grace

[thorn crater]

how do you not go grace lol

[rotund oak]

[acoustic hamlet]

grace

[knotty summit]

you can always farm for mandate but myth track grace is

[rotund oak]

grace sucks

[thorn crater]

is he trolling?

lmfao

[rotund oak]

give it to me

[cedar hare]

Wax is not working anymore

[autumn peak]

Is Ara-Kara Trinket still valuable? (in vault 623)

[blazing badge]

Yes

[rotund oak]

[strange python]

well bye bye bubbling wax

[ember sentinel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

do people fr think a 5% agi nerf

is how overbudget sacbrood is

[rugged oyster]

mandate sims better for st

[rotund oak]

yeah bro,dont take the on demand best trinket in all profiles

grace sucks

give it to me

[rugged oyster]

go farm it

[mint valve]

does anyone know if theyre on the lookout for fixing flensing knives?

[soft shale]

they would need to fix fatal intent or DN first

[tough widget]

guys is dead-eye spyglass really that bad, or why does it sim so bad?

[hot fulcrum]

I wonder about craft items stats.
Do we always use same stats (e.g. crti/mastery) or we sim what is better?
I'm asking bcs at this moment items are changing frequently. So with any new item craft item stats may very and it will lead to constantly recraft of stats.

[waxen oyster]

or the giant list of other bugs

[waxen oyster]

Depends how much you care about minor diffs

or you gear around it

Like the only set in stone ring is ansurek one

[hot fulcrum]

If I don't rly care about minor diff then I can craft always same stats? If so what is the best for us? I guess crit/master or haste/master

[waxen oyster]

its just free damage

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hot fulcrum]

yeah, I know stat prio and all stats are good for us. So I guess I can just do crit mastery all the time and be fine with it

[waxen oyster]

I mean….

I multispec so

i craft for other ones

then adjust my sin gear

[coral ibex]

how much does my offhand ilvl matter vs main hand

[waxen oyster]

offhand dont mean shit

[coral ibex]

nice

[hot fulcrum]

oh, I forgot that I'm DS bad player, so haste/master for me is better.

[left sundial]

Silkran trinket worth to use ? Dg and st

[waxen oyster]

breh

i will record me sending a craft with no missive

if you keep this up

[waxen oyster]

dogwater

[noble flume]

https://gyazo.com/18dfad07167ca1220ec23979118423ed

[runic hinge]

Whisp with haste verse dagger

[noble flume]

raidbot tell me to take the bottled idk

what a shit vault

[runic hinge]

Take cloak

[waxen oyster]

i have a 626 offhand but uhh

not disclosing how

[noble flume]

cloak 100%?

[blazing badge]

yes

[waxen oyster]

Cloak angle considering your m+ is shit ilvl

[waxen oyster]

xD

[balmy condor]

gear is getting there

[pliant remnant]

I hate you

[hexed frost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eDu6E7stsBrQbagXQSP7aw
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ruSDpTpByDCo5fh1sNzapw

Patchwerk is saying HC chest sims better, and raidbots is saying HC ritual sims better.

Which way fellow rogues

[balmy condor]

vers mast btw

[runic hinge]

Oh lol

[topaz horizon]

!plater

[waxen oyster]

sub player

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

One of those

[waxen oyster]

although getting haste proc as sub is

[distant plinth]

Gotta grind grimbas

[silent stratus]

any suggestions on how to use bottled toxin trinket?

[runic hinge]

click it once an hour

[silent stratus]

macro it to muti? 🙂

[hexed frost]

why is the scroll of momentum simming high enough for assa, or is it a simbait?

[hollow blade]

which pieces do yall prioritize upgrading with rune/gilded crests?

[next compass]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[autumn peak]

yup hands set is better (got one 606). Ara-kara on bloodmallet seems really low in aoe (all 623 in vault)

[pallid spear]

since transmitter + mandate were somewhat fcked up yesterday im struggling to believe skadyn 639 is so much worse than trnsmitter 626?

[runic hinge]

main hand then trinkets prob

[hot fulcrum]

Still thinking if I want to take that myth t-set chest from vault instead of hero m+ chest

[cloud nacelle]

Is spyglass able to proc on more then one target with cleave or does the debuff transfer?

[runic hinge]

Lemme see your vault i'll decide for you

[soft merlin]

🙂

[hot fulcrum]

Main problem here is that I have 0pc. But I can build 4pc with myth chest or 4pc with those legs + hero chest from m+ that I have as an off-set. 4pc will be done with 2 cats + token + smth from vault

[royal lantern]

updating wowhead recommend stats when?

[hollow blade]

i have 619 wrist and belt, what should i do for my 636? craft dagger or recraft wrist/belt to 636?
these are my weps (dagger upgraded)

[noble flume]

https://gyazo.com/e166fb186f01beafa4481d7fc29e2871 any toughts to change on catalyst for tier set?

[sour oasis]

The 4p is only a up of 2%?!

[thorn crater]

cowrogue is not real

it does not exist

[noble flume]

xdddd

[real frost]

damn, dont know if i should take myth hands or rare 6/6 hero cloak from raid

[runic hinge]

myth chest unless you're mythic raiding soon

[runic hinge]

don't cata anything under hero, tier isn't that much % would be better to wait for better gear

[runic hinge]

rare cloak is rare, ez pick

[royal lantern]

i hate you

[runic hinge]

that tough but i'd take the trinket prob

[royal lantern]

[hot fulcrum]

don't think I'm going to myth in nearest future) (probably even never )

[golden kettle]

What level content for m+ is it recommended to swap from the bleed to the hybrid build?

[runic hinge]

there is only one bis trinket but there's a bunch of daggers in the loot pool to get on myth again if you're already doing 10's

[deft obsidian]

Oddly a 619 transmitter to Grace at 639 is a 5k increase...kinda weird

[runic hinge]

transmitter is good its just jank as fuck to use and can kill you or maybe miss it if you get weird shit right as you press

[deft obsidian]

Initially hated it but with a good WA, i've gotten so used to it already

[runic hinge]

same

[vivid elbow]

if you are simming 5min patchwerk, grace is 3 casts v.s. transmitter 4 casts

[zealous wolf]

wtf, should i really take the ring?

this is dungeon slice sim

[wise gull]

is that hero track trinket?

[runic hinge]

dslice is telling me to use double passive, if you raid at all I'd take skardyns

[zealous wolf]

yes

[wise gull]

a lot harder to come across the trinket than a ring imo

even if its simming higher atm

[deft obsidian]

Never looked at 5min usage in sims, is it sending transmitter natty?

[balmy condor]

like a 5

[balmy condor]

that is just not true what

it would only be 4 in situations where the variance on the 5 minute lasts past 5:40ish

so with an equal distribution that's uh

[wise gull]

it's a mists but feelin' pretty good about this one

getting there

[balmy condor]

like 20% of iterations?

[wise gull]

[runic hinge]

aug detected details rejected

[zealous wolf]

is skardyns worth for m+?

[hollow blade]

should i take skardyn's grace or just take 4 piece head in vault? based off these sims
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71r2vb8S5xjsBbPoyTRdci

[wise gull]

shit you're right

[hollow blade]

having tough time deciding

[balmy condor]

yes

[wise gull]

back to the gutters i go

[balmy condor]

why are you having a tough time deciding?

[runic hinge]

trinket

[balmy condor]

this seems insanely free doesn't it

[hollow blade]

the trinket?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[royal lantern]

GB is a Psychological and actual real Prison

[balmy condor]

trinket is the giga obvious choice

[hollow blade]

ah okay

[zinc frost]

I’ll take that skardyns off your hands and make your decision nice and easy

[hollow blade]

i was thinking not having 4 piece til next week would be bad

[pliant remnant]

If I see anybody take a tier set piece over a Skardyn's Grace, I will call the police

[runic hinge]

4 piece isn't huge this tier

[strange python]

How cooked am I? Did 2 M+ last week only got one slot at 610

[royal lantern]

taking tier sets at all when we have 2 catalyst charges lol

[golden kettle]

Ty

[royal lantern]

like, getting tier sets has never been more easy

[deft obsidian]

Just a comparison view (should I obtain a hc transmitter 2day)

[runic hinge]

people trying to not take skardyns and im trying to talk myself outta a socket

[thorn crater]

SAME

but i catalysted my 610 legs

so there is no turning back

[zealous wolf]

isnt transmitter impossible to use? didnt use it just read the comment on wowhead on the tierlist for us xd

[thorn crater]

prolly socket the crafted item

and swap embellishments on that if necessary

[waxen oyster]

610 legs not terrible if they were hero track

[wise gull]

what's a prison is getting into pugs

idk how i'm not getting into 7s

[thorn crater]

slayers from BT 😛

hero track

[wise gull]

i mean i get how but

[runic hinge]

this shit is ugly

[thorn crater]

and 616 tier in catalyst seemed very meh

[waxen oyster]

Because you play a melee

that isnt fdk or warrior

[runic hinge]

champ to hero gloves is the biggest upgrade or i can take a socket that i won't replace for .3

what a vault

[thorn crater]

catalysted the 619 gloves from hc court

best decision of my life

[waxen oyster]

2 catalyst charges+omni token

[thorn crater]

zero fucks given on glove slot for a while

[waxen oyster]

i went from 0 to 4p last week

[thorn crater]

real talk though

[runic hinge]

got a curio from normal this week, helm last week, hero shoulders in vault and hero legs from a map, so i cata the legs and can still cata something else

[thorn crater]

are fury warrs better for m+?

[sterile violet]

no

[waxen oyster]

Yeah for damage

[sterile violet]

fury warrior is cringe af

assassin beat fury in mythic +

[runic hinge]

they might be if they didn't have warrior brain

[waxen oyster]

At the highest key levels you play 0 melee

tbh

[sterile violet]

he wont even be able to keep up with u

[south lava]

This week also give tier set change token?

[rotund oak]

sin beats many specs in m+ though,fury is better for raids

[south lava]

Or next week

[half tartan]

!SHEET

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sterile violet]

yes fury = raids , mythic + = rogue play ground

[waxen oyster]

aug/mage/x

dev is better than most melee

tbh

[rotund oak]

like sin rn,doing 2mil territory dmg with average gear in some keys

there are specs that cant even dream that much dmg

[sudden brook]

Its crazy how hard I can drool on my keyboard and do good damage on sin

[waxen oyster]

Real

[thorn crater]

bruh

[faint path]

who can beat assas in m+ ? maybe only retri pala and this is maybe

[thorn crater]

law player talking about drooling on keyboard

[royal python]

Called padding

[thorn crater]

aint no way

[waxen oyster]

arcane mage

[thorn crater]

like the past years didnt exist

[half tartan]

from the sheet assassin fatebound is seen as good, how come nobody is playing it?

[balmy condor]

brother you are talking mad shit for an outlaw player

[sudden brook]

I am not talking shit

[thorn crater]

THIS

[rotund oak]

yup,sudden demise is a big part of it as well

[sudden brook]

Outlaw u have to play well or u get no AR uptime

I got no idea what I'm doing

I'm doing big things already

Just wait until I learn how to play the spec in keys

[thorn crater]

got used to smashing keyboard and poppin off huh

now u gotta maintain AR

[royal python]

I play it

[sudden brook]

Bro thats what I'm doing on sin

[waxen oyster]

thats kinda what you do now as sin

[sudden brook]

I'm just hitting shit

[waxen oyster]

you dont even have to tab rupture

anymore

IC does that for you

[sudden brook]

Garrote garrote rupture garrote garrote rupture mut fok CT

[half tartan]

theres not a single fatebound on any of the top 100 mythic kills for sin

[sudden brook]

8m dps

[thorn crater]

forev chose violence today huh

[rotund oak]

u missed a mark there

[waxen oyster]

its always funny how people in this channel act like you cant play sin

[sudden brook]

Bro I'm not being toxic I love assassination

[rotund oak]

idk man

[waxen oyster]

without a restealth

[rotund oak]

u look aggressive

[thorn crater]

ye same way i love manchester city and the patriots

[echo cargo]

I missed death mark ohhh nooo

[waxen oyster]

most you mfs crutch on IC

[thorn crater]

tbh atm stealth is only necessary if u lose ur DM for some dumbfounded reason

[rotund oak]

💀

[waxen oyster]

well yeah

deathstalker is a trash hero tree

[runic hinge]

this you?

[sudden brook]

Thats not toxic bro

That's a compliment

If u take it as an insult ur insecure

[waxen oyster]

all the rogue hero talents are made by an unpaid intern

[thorn crater]

uhm

[sudden brook]

I said I can drool

[thorn crater]

isnt the talent dude in here?

[zinc frost]

I’m offended by drool

[thorn crater]

😛

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

I stand by what i said

[sudden brook]

I also like deathstalker

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

[elfin rock]

[thorn crater]

LMFAO

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[runic hinge]

how dare you break the wax

[balmy condor]

these fucking poor people malding

try having gold loser

[subtle field]

ayy myth tierset

[normal mist]

Just fix it

[waxen oyster]

uprising of the poors

[zinc frost]

He doesn’t represent us OCE players I swear.. (he does)

[balmy condor]

most sane OCE player, at least he didn't call me a slur, that's usually on brand for OCE

[rotund oak]

like u ever could fix the wax

thats some next lvl toxic mfkr

[balmy condor]

ah I see why the hate

[ornate jetty]

[north plank]

yes i do

Thanks tho

[waxen oyster]

most creative oce insult i got once

was being called an abo loving bogan

[zinc frost]

Slur in Aussie can sometimes be a good thing tho

[south lava]

What? is outlaw better than sin for m+

[thorn crater]

dude came in here to troll further lmfao

aint no way

[waxen oyster]

I mean tbh

if your tank pulls like a bitch

outlaw is better

small packs

etc

[thorn crater]

basically what we used to want

2 expansions ago

[balmy condor]

that's not english

[quartz lance]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-look-like-a-bitch-talking-eyebrows-gif-12810378

[north plank]

Bismillah brother

[balmy condor]

I'm just tryna do a grim batol man how am I gonna fix wax

[waxen oyster]

Yeah then spatter became a thing

[quartz lance]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874

[north plank]

if you fix the wax ill invite you back

[rotund oak]

[subtle field]

@balmy condor How much value does the Super rare ring have for us?

[runic hinge]

do you think whisp works at blizz?

[thorn crater]

none at all

[woeful wigeon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d6fcFWv5FgkLNJshxXURj8 why are these delv trink still better then b tier one ?

[thorn crater]

take socket over it

[balmy condor]

yeah lemme just learn to code, be top of my class, apply to blizzard, get a job there, and then fix wax

on it

[balmy condor]

sim

[north plank]

hurry up then

ive got shit to do

[rotund oak]

u would already be history if i were a mod

[runic hinge]

cause you're a tauren

[royal lantern]

deserved

[woeful wigeon]

wtf has the fckt iam a tauren to do with that ?

[north plank]

give me mods of the discord ill fix it myself

[runic hinge]

deserved for applying for an oce group tbh

[waxen oyster]

Oh people still have daggers below 620

[north plank]

i'm glad the rogue discord allows freedom of speech

[balmy condor]

why wouldn't we

[latent pike]

How much vers do we need?

[runic hinge]

69%

[balmy condor]

as long as it's not killing the vibe who cares

[balmy condor]

four billion

[royal lantern]

bettwen 0 and 100%

[rotund oak]

there isnt a threshold of any kind friend,just sim urself

[woeful wigeon]

its the only place @balmy condor can enjoy raging on reactions from peeps XD

[balmy condor]

funniest pug experience this expac so far

I'm having a great time

[latent pike]

I really only ask becasue i get one shot by everything

[balmy condor]

feint and don't stand in shit

[north plank]

ur're welcome

[balmy condor]

I have my doubts the 600 score resto healer has a 14

[latent pike]

yeah, first boss in NW one shots me through feint when he cast the frontal

[eager bloom]

Quick question, in what scenario are the focus interrupt macros useful? I came across one of them and was wondering if I might need to bind one.

[north plank]

ping me when you fix the wax

[runic hinge]

don't stand in the frontal

[royal lantern]

maybe its just a Gamer

[latent pike]

It's cast on individuals, not the tank

You cant not stand in it?

[royal lantern]

i survive it in a +11 with no problems by using feint, idk man

[south lava]

Get around 7% maybe? Idk but usally we dont die by it

Maybe ur health was low

[balmy condor]

in a lot of keys there will be an auto mark and you'll be assigned to kick red or green or whatever so you focus that one and then just hit your kick macro

[rotund oak]

sin has a reputation for getting oneshotted from mechanics but thats in higher keys.U need to be extra careful and press immunities if needed,BUT if u wanna gain some vers and continue playing sin u can try sin with sub gear(vers/mastery).SIn deosnt care all that much for stats anyway BUT ITS NOT RECOMMENDED.

[crude trail]

Having to choose between Dead-eye Spyglass and Treacherous Transmitter in Vault

I know some top raiders use the transmitter, but the minigames does seem quite cumbersome : o

[eager bloom]

[strange python]

why does the sims tell me to keep a haste / crit ring over a crit mastery ring :S ?

[balmy condor]

because it's better for you

[strange python]

i didnt think we wanted much haste?

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[strange python]

yeah ok always trustr sims i guess

[river acorn]

any good WA or addon to apply poisons? 😅

[subtle field]

So guys, i have the super Rare ring in vault on Hero and a shoulder Myth set piece. Sim tells me to take the setpiece but one of the reasons for that is the sheer mainstat upgrade due to ilvl. That why i would like to know how good the super rare ring is for us. and if it would be worth taking it and just getting a hero shoulder piece ditching the myth piece

[dawn isle]

Im guessin the cloak is the obv choice here since its very rare and BiS? note I have 4 set already completed.

[waxen oyster]

its free damage

[frank kestrel]

damn

[orchid pewter]

Sim it, if the ring with hero track shoulders is better, then you got your answer

[waxen oyster]

and a ring everyone and their mother wants

[subtle field]

But would you take the heroic version over a mythtrack setpiece?

[waxen oyster]

i dont think myth track tier is that special

[orchid pewter]

Take the ring, loot another one and sell it for 3 mil

[subtle field]

you know what, you're right

[waxen oyster]

unless you raid in a guild and know you’re prio for ring

[primal terrace]

rings are harder to get since anyone can roll them

[hushed crystal]

How good is Endboss Trinket for Assa on Heroic?

[strange python]

id suck for the queen ring lol

[neat raptor]

Is mad queens mandate better than dead-eye spyglass? I have ritual knife and contract equipped

[subtle field]

yeah nah, ill just see if i get it today and if not ill prolly take it

[waxen oyster]

is the spyglass myth track

mandate is stronger in st but there’s 0 guarantee you will ever see myth spyglass again

[neat raptor]

Its just hero

[waxen oyster]

oh

fuck that

farm one

[neat raptor]

Haha

[slow tulip]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[neat raptor]

Ok ty

[waxen oyster]

you can cloak off the ritual knife debuff

apparently

not sure if you can dwarf it

[neat raptor]

Can healer also dispell it?

[waxen oyster]

What kind of debuff is it

I dont own one i just get 3 abyssal traps

[crude trail]

Any of you using transmitter who can recommend it? I know it sims good, but minigames...

[sudden brook]

Bad for outlaw

[neat raptor]

Can i run skardyns and mandate? Or would that be troll with 2 on use

[sudden brook]

Ignore trinket graphs

Wait it's assa I'm in now outlaw

[indigo elk]

Should I take grim butthole's hero track trinket or ... tier piece ? Sims definitely would put tier piece ahead since I'm only 2p at the moment... but how rare is that trinket ?

[sudden brook]

[fallen ginkgo]

Do we upgrade 619 Crafted item to 636 this week? Feels kind of a waste

[sudden brook]

Transmitter minigame isn't that bad

[royal lantern]

your statment is still kinda true, dont worry

[waxen oyster]

dont embellishes not scale with ilvl

[royal lantern]

they dont

[waxen oyster]

Yeah one of my embellish is on 610 pvp bracers

with socket

[onyx anvil]

where i find what to craft for assasin?

[late pilot]

it's worth to taking this ring over trinkets? while i have shitty ones

[runic hinge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[broken stump]

I’ve got the transmitter, it’s fine for now - the minigames aren’t so bad if you’ve got a weakaura that just tells you what to do. I think I’ve only ever had ‘jump 3 times’ and ‘stand on the pad’. Standing on the pad feels like it’s less than a second of having to be on it to get the buff

[runic hinge]

chase ball is always fun

[atomic relic]

are we going for 5set or the wowhead is wrong?

[broken stump]

Anyone know roughly what the 2 and 4pc is worth?

[tawdry sedge]

sim it, it might get you out of depression

[warped hawk]

hey is still ara kara trinket bis ?

[balmy condor]

not really

just really good

[sudden brook]

It's nuts for sin

The tasks are easy

[normal mist]

Stupid question (I can't sim ATM) from the trinkets dropped in delves, is there any nuance in the on use (with cast time) imperfect serum or is it just meh because of the cast time?
Vault was shit and my best upgrades are 616 wrists, 616 haste on use trinket (delve) and 616 serum trinket

Vault has not been my friend lately

[warm jackal]

Hi I wanted to ask how to sim properly, what are you guys using? Right now I am just going with dungeon slice for M+ and then Patchwerk fight for single target for 4mins?

[normal mist]

4/5 minutes patchwork yeah, I believe the norm is 5?

But that's the right idea yes

[waxen oyster]

royal guess what class i got concoction on

[magic gale]

surely skardyn's right

[timid marsh]

applying wax not possible anymore?

low level item it seems

[crisp pine]

:)

[runic hinge]

is that myth?

[runic hinge]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[magic gale]

yes im tempted by the rare cloak tho

[runic hinge]

myth track trinket prob better, you'll use that all patch

[normal mist]

I want to say a rogue but I'll say warrior

[runic hinge]

I'mma say DH

[waxen oyster]

dingdingding

its dh

[runic hinge]

[waxen oyster]

its probs not terrible for warrior

treat it like a 3min trinket

[balmy condor]

it's just whatever trinket at max hero track

it's fine just better options

not op after the nerf

[waxen oyster]

whispyr do you know offhand

what kind of debuff is the ritual knife one

since apparently you can cloak it off

[balmy condor]

magical I guess then

[waxen oyster]

dwarf hidden op

[normal mist]

I have a bunch of champ trinkets in the bag (none of which are skardyn/spyglass/eggsack) that can go straight to 616 too if I pick a trinket so in theory It can be just a crests skip pick

[waxen oyster]

I cant loot trinkets for shit this ssn

[runic hinge]

go to GB right now

[waxen oyster]

except contract

[normal mist]

I can't, I'm at work ATM, started 1 hour ago

[runic hinge]

quit

[normal mist]

LOL

[glacial stump]

Huge vault

[normal mist]

Got my queen trinket 619

And a shitty one at 610

[glacial stump]

Tierset vault for me

[gusty adder]

had the same problem yesterday - could only eqquip it on offhand (610) when I unequipped my mainhand (619)

[waxen oyster]

4 ilvl on tier helm

[waxen oyster]

also learned of an nda worthy bug

[timid marsh]

i switch main hand with off hand then it works offhand also below 610

[weak hedge]

Hi guys, should I get 2 dawnthread lining if I am never raiding? I only m+ … thank you in advance

[runic hinge]

yeah

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-sour-cat-cat-meme-cat-gif-4305398913986271634

[royal lantern]

idk, fight with whisp over that

im letting the smart people figure that out

[sudden brook]

@balmy condor xplain

[runic hinge]

my vault was bad tho

[jaunty basin]

can someone plz send me the macros for this class

[wooden perch]

is this bis for m+?

[spring prawn]

so how come all the BIS lists have all 5 set pieces as BIS?

[jaunty basin]

especially the casting death mark plus pot

[normal mist]

BCS bis doesn't exist

So it's whatever

[royal lantern]

bis lits are a meme and dont exists, high ilvl items are good

[spring prawn]

figured

[normal mist]

Bis = max myth ilvl items simmed

[spring prawn]

would u guys take this thing or socket? :> my myth track pieces are garbo

[normal mist]

Assassination in particular cares more about ilvl than stats

[sudden brook]

Anybody who doesn't use transmitter. Is it just a skill issue?

Assa is just mastery + literally any stat

[runic hinge]

I use transmitter so it can't be skill related

[sudden brook]

It's op

[normal mist]

Depending on the slot, having myth track could save crests for "better" items

But it's sim angle

[spring prawn]

xdd

[fierce tulip]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[foggy galleon]

Yo guys

You cant use wax anymore?

[spring prawn]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[foggy galleon]

Weird i could ise it

Few days ago

Did it happen yesterday?

[runic hinge]

yeah it got bugged during NA maitenece

[frigid relic]

feel like a 616 scroll of momentum with speed tertiary is something i have to take on fresh char, is it still fine even if i can only sprint every now and again with the proc?

[balmy condor]

yeh

sims don't sprint for it

[royal lantern]

answer guy

[sudden brook]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

[jaunty basin]

can someone plz share macros fpor death mark and pot

[balmy condor]

/cast Deathmark
/use Tempered Potion

gg

[runic hinge]

you forgot #showtooltip

[slow tulip]

i prefer
/use tempered potion
/cast deathmark

[balmy condor]

#showtooltip is for bozos

heard it here first

[runic hinge]

call me a bozo

[frigid relic]

thanks whisp for your answer RE sims

[subtle field]

actionbars are also for bozos

[jaunty basin]

ty

[balmy condor]

TRUE

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[subtle drift]

am i missing something or didn't i have deathstalkers mark a single time?

IDK if it's listed but it feels like the whole dungeon it bugged out

[runic hinge]

did you ambush from stealth?

[subtle drift]

Yeah ofc

[subtle field]

you have to use ambush from stealth

[subtle drift]

I know i'm not stupid :D

I did it the whole dungeon

[sudden brook]

Dude deathstalker is so legendary

I love mutilating 4 times (not sarcasm)

[runic hinge]

you say that but you don't have ambush on your details

[candid hull]

not bad

[subtle field]

😄

[sudden brook]

@balmy condor answer me or else

[pallid spear]

yea thats what i thought too and then i saw this:

[subtle drift]

Turns out i'm really stupid and that mutilate replaced ambush in my stealth bar when i changed talents

[runic hinge]

it happens

you'll get em next time champ

[pastel rune]

Are there any good old whispyr bis lists?

[candid hull]

I have the poison apply trink and the one that ascends you which breaks stealth so anything is better at this point

[runic hinge]

you only have 3 on use trinkets?

ig 2 and one in vault

[pallid spear]

i do have ara kara 626 but it does sim lower than mandate and transmitter heroic

[subtle drift]

I'm crying, whole dungeon without hero talents

That cost us intime

[runic hinge]

how much over time?

[cerulean compass]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[subtle drift]

3:19 we wiped 1 time at end boss

And at trash

But trash would've died faster with hero talents

[ancient tangle]

is the Bleed build better than Hybrid in low keys ?

[subtle drift]

Yeah

[ornate raptor]

Feels bad to see that

[pallid spear]

trust me i'm struggling to believe it is real

[sudden brook]

Transmitter is so ez

It's either jump. Or more forward and right

[glossy grove]

what do you think about skardyns + transmitter trinket?

2 actives?

[smoky sonnet]

How good is Seal of the poisoned pact for assasin rogue? https://www.wowhead.com/item=225578/seal-of-the-poisoned-pact#comments

[runic hinge]

it's kinda crazy to me that manadate and skardyns would be that much lower than mandate and transmitter

[pallid spear]

dont forget skardyn is 13 ilvl up too😵‍💫

[sudden brook]

Insanly good

[smoky sonnet]

In lfr I rolled 99, yet lost to another outlaw rogue that rolled 99. I'm devestated

[pallid spear]

apparently if i throw 626 ara kara in there aswell:

[safe shale]

Is skardyns grace, like tooooo good to not use?>

[sudden brook]

[pallid spear]

but its not worth the mythic crests i suppose

[sudden brook]

Where contract

[sharp mural]

sin ST buff when ?

[pallid spear]

dh got it :(

[runic hinge]

I'd use that top combo but idk

[left sundial]

Sim says take trink but i dont wanna use x2 useful trinket

[earnest remnant]

when they finally see the light and remove outlaw from the game

[left sundial]

What you guys think

[sharp mural]

even shadowpriest had buff

[hot fulcrum]

Do we have any comparison table for wax, mana oil, whetstone? I still poor to buy whetstones, wax is bugged af 😦 Thinking what I can lose with other wep options (in sims we also don't have wax options, maybe some1 have apl to see diffs in action). % diff is just fine to see

[runic hinge]

based

[sharp mural]

meaning we will pretty reach the very bottom

[safe shale]

I just got a 619 mad queens, 619 Crystal of anub, but im already using 619 void contract and a 606 skardyns, should i just ignore the vault trinkets and go get a better skardyns?

This a wild choice

[pallid spear]

3k dps for 75 mythic crests sounds kinda troll

[earnest remnant]

tbf very roguey to be bottom of the dps meters and out of sight

[runic hinge]

yes but then you're done trinkets all tier

[earnest remnant]

very "stealthi"

[sudden brook]

Do ppl just look at wcl to say what spec is good

Go look at sikran rogue logs

[sharp mural]

so sneaky I can't even see myself

[safe shale]

have this

[pallid spear]

well since its so close to heroic transmitter, mythic transmitter will be better again

[sudden brook]

U will see sin at the top

[runic hinge]

double on use with one being a mini game and one having a cast time is kinda yucky imo

[sudden brook]

It's sin kingdom boys

Wake up

[earnest remnant]

same as 99% of the outlaw chat looking at sims thinking outlaw is gonna be raid viable, they go hand in hand

[sudden brook]

I mean outlaw is the nuts

It's just ppl who raid mythic don't understand

[sharp mural]

no chance I go back to outlaw with all the bugs it has. This bte thing is horrendous

[sudden brook]

They are dagger maining noobs forcing sin and sub on shit fights

Sub on kurog

Low key outlaw might be a queen fight just to break roots

Just sayin

[earnest remnant]

they need to die fast

the fuck is outlaw gonna do to them?

tickle them to death?

[solar wyvern]

Could be, could be sub for cd windows, could be sin for execute

[sudden brook]

Root to break Ur own

R u dumb

Vanish break root

That kills an entire web

[solar wyvern]

Vanish spamming kekw

[sudden brook]

It's literally touch of deathing a web

From 100% life

[safe shale]

Do we need skardyns or can we use mad queens INSTEAD?

[sudden brook]

Boom executed

[earnest remnant]

or just have fury warriors annihilate them all

[vocal minnow]

i had ONE mythic slot and also got skardyns - absolute illegal luck

[earnest remnant]

then you can play a proper rogue spec

[sudden brook]

(outlaw)

[earnest remnant]

(everything but outlaw)

[balmy condor]

skardyns + mandate is good

[sudden brook]

If I wasn't forced to make daggers I would be obliterating kids on nexus

Like it'd be not close

I'd be doing 1.3m

[safe shale]

Damn, together? hmmm two on uses? /:

[sudden brook]

One u macro

[balmy condor]

yeah?

[sudden brook]

The other u just press

[balmy condor]

whats weird about that

[safe shale]

Just not usually the case xD

[royal lantern]

guy, you play wow for how long now

do you really need to ask that question?

[sudden brook]

It's just so silly

[hot fulcrum]

Would still appreciate some input here maybe @balmy condor can help me?

[sudden brook]

"buff sin st"
Look at st fight
It's all sin

[ornate raptor]

Transmitter is a decent trinket? I got in the vault but didnt take it yet

[earnest remnant]

buff sub

[safe shale]

If im taking two, would i use the higher ilvl with my cds, then the other one whenever? XD

[balmy condor]

whetstone 1% mana oil 0.8% and the other shit 0.6%

[hot fulcrum]

it means if I'm poor I can just go with double mana oil and that is it?

[royal lantern]

we went from WTF IS ASSA THE BEST SPEC EVER????? to ASSA DEAD???? SHOULD I PLAY OUTLAW????
to ASSA IN WORLD FIRST BUT NOT OUTLAW???? IS ASSA S TIER AGAIN??? to OUTLAW HIGHER IN M+ TIERLIST SHOULD I PLAY OUTLAW???? in the last 3 weeks man

wow players are a Special kind

[echo fox]

or u can just play both hehe

[solar wyvern]

Damn I can just see the YouTube thumbnail next to each of these

[balmy condor]

sure

[solar wyvern]

DEAD?!? (Face of shock)

[sudden brook]

All rogue specs should get buffed by 5%

true 5%

[solar wyvern]

50% fk it

[sudden brook]

not 5% (2.3%)

Rogue is pathetic

But also imagine asking for sin st buffs

Anyway

[earnest remnant]

well if you compare it to other classes and not just rogues in a vacum

it does indeed needs single target buffs

[sudden brook]

well yeah thats why I just said "Buff all rogue specs by 5%"

[earnest remnant]

nah leave outlaw out

clearly they do fine single target

[earnest remnant]

according to sims

so

[solar wyvern]

Take 5% from outlaw and give it to the other rogues

5head

[earnest remnant]

TRUE

[solar wyvern]

Equivalent extraction or whatever the weeaboos say

[rocky spear]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[pulsar ice]

is crafting Writhing Banding embelishment at 636 a waste?

[novel star]

if you have a dagger that isnt myth track or also crafted 636

then yes

if you do have said dagger then its fine

[pulsar ice]

i have a crafted dagger

636

i was thinking on putting ascension on both

[sudden brook]

yeh

90 crests is infinite

[chilly mist]

Yes but down the line you'd eventually do it anyway

low risk low reward in short term is how id look at it

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE GET ME OUT OF GRIM BATOL I FUCKING HATE THIS PLACE THE TANK PULLS 5 WARLOCKS AND THEN XALATATH WIGGLES HER FUCKING TOES AND NO ONE SOAKS THE ORBS AND WE WIPE AND THEN WE GET TO THE DOUBLE CORRUPTER AND WE WIPE AND THEN XALATATH WIGGLES HER TOES AGAIN AND WE WIPE AND WE DO THE LAST BOSS AND THESE HENTAI FUCKING FIENDS WALK STRAIGHT INTO THE TENTACLES IM GONNA FUCKING LOSE MY MIND

[ornate raptor]

Someone get him a hot cup of tea.

[chilly mist]

or a hug

[pallid spear]

It is best for sub and apparently better than 639 skardyn with my current gear

[grim jay]

I did a 10 yesterday to experience the pre nerf fun

[ornate raptor]

I am assa tho. I don’t have skardyn. 😑

[pallid spear]

Ye I was talking about assa too my bad!

[green pier]

really struggling on the vault this week....

wearing champ helm and hero shoulders currently, with 2 catalyst tokens and a hero track helm and gloves in my bags...

vault offered 619 tier helm, 616 tier chest or 613 tier gloves....

obviously the chest is trash BUT i could use catalyst to get 4 set hero with it.... and my current chest is vet but good stats... 😛

or i could catalyst my champ legs and gloves and take the 619 helm for 3/4 hero 1/4 champ 4 set....

just needed somewhere to stress 😛

[steel ridge]

honey, are you alright?

sounds like you didnt loot skardyns in your vault

[kind forge]

[grim jay]

the chest isnt really trash at all

[torn dome]

can someone help me with vault choices

[steel ridge]

skardyns

[balmy condor]

ONE OF THESE IS A TANK

CAN YOU GUESS WHICH BAR IS THE TANK

[steel ridge]

kekw

[runic hinge]

Is it the blue one

[grim jay]

the 2nd

[balmy condor]

IM LOSING MY FUCKING MIND

[torn dome]

thought so! looks good in simc

[abstract parrot]

hahahaha

you going nuts already man

[grim jay]

well its the worst dungeon to pug

[zinc frost]

God I hope the tank is no 2

[grim jay]

and you kinda gotta farm it

[kind forge]

goated guesser

[hoary remnant]

Skardyns is bis and later also bis for sub after rework

[grim jay]

been there

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[kind forge]

same brother

[vocal minnow]

shouldve taken hc track trinket

[torn dome]

ty bro

[balmy condor]

DUALITY OF MAN

[grim jay]

atleast you had one drop

[balmy condor]

yeah in fucking m0

[kind forge]

[distant plinth]

Bruuuuh, you are bottlenecking your trinket🤣

[steel ridge]

dw my skardyns is m0 aswell

[abstract parrot]

you have ascension on that dagger???

[steel ridge]

and i am absolute fine with it

[novel star]

could be worse, could be m0 vault week

[balmy condor]

yes

[kind forge]

it's everbloom grind all over again

[novel star]

i’m not gonna see that trinket in vault again for the rest of my life

[distant plinth]

Loot table for grima is huuuuuuge af aswell

[chilly mist]

is that the crit vers one?

[distant plinth]

Offered a dude 1.7mill for the trinket but he didnt want to sell it fml

[steel ridge]

god forbid, i am never grinding a single dungeon 100 times for any item ever again

it either drops or it doesnt

[novel star]

ok that’s insane

[distant plinth]

Got 64 runs in grimba now 🥶🥶🥶

[kind forge]

thats true

its even worse

[novel star]

why would you do that to yourself

[balmy condor]

idfk man it's a myth dagger does it matter

[steel ridge]

i think i have like 1

[distant plinth]

….

[chilly mist]

yy ofc

[urban trench]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[raven panther]

I need recommandation for my vault please
between myth track proc avoidance neck, 'very rare' neck from Sikran, or 4 part.

[chilly mist]

just curious

[balmy condor]

lemme log in

[steel ridge]

chill man, the patch lasts another 4 month, you have all the time in the world

[balmy condor]

yes it's crit vers

[novel star]

sim it but most likely just sikran lol

[balmy condor]

yeh probably just a sureki insig angle

[steel ridge]

i think i got rather lucky with the crystal trinket on myth track

[novel star]

that neck dummy goodge

[steel ridge]

its not skardyn, but its something

[grim jay]

super good for m+

if we mean the same

has rather high uptime

[steel ridge]

ye its big for aoe

[raven panther]

The sureki insign is really strong ? ok will go for it

[balmy condor]

bro why do I farm grim batol just to go to ovi'nax prison

this game sucks