assassination

[nova aspen]

yea i just didnt know what kind of hp it'll have

[quartz locust]

if it has a lot, and we do full swap, then it becomes the CS target and its fine either way imo

[fallow canopy]

also due to rashy nun hitbox shenanigans our spatter works there like 30% of the time

[rotund oak]

20% tier set buff inc boys

i believe

[nova aspen]

true i wonder if we can actually cleave it

or if we will need to cleave off of it

it prob wont be that bad lol

[timid marsh]

Hey guys which WA & Plater are u using?

[prisma tundra]

what does rogue actually bring to a raid that makes world first guilds bring it to single target bosses when it has such bad dps

[fallow canopy]

Atrophic

[prisma tundra]

ah right

[fallow canopy]

Damage profile

[molten flicker]

aesthetics

[fallow canopy]

Stealthiness

[nova aspen]

they bring me for my transmog

[timber meadow]

what was the soure of the data for this graph? saw it last night

[glacial stump]

Cool mogs

Keeping the healers awake as i pull without tricks

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[quartz locust]

"such bad dps" are you just looking at the wlogs graphs lol

[cunning needle]

it's maxed level 80s currently in TWW

like a week or 2 old now

or 3

[magic gale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[magic gale]

!plate

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn fjord]

It’s Tuesday

Bump that creed at full volume

[fallow canopy]

May thy vaults be full of Skardyn's

[glacial stump]

Unless you have darkest night up

Darkest night has to be max combo points, so all 7 or an anima charge

[timber meadow]

ha thanks man. is it from armory or?

kinda curious how they actually got the info

[cunning needle]

probably armory

[spring moat]

God I hope so. Ran so many gb. And for cloaks I don’t need

[woven torrent]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn fjord]

May your arms be wide open

[hybrid tree]

Does Caustic Splatter originate from me or the target?

[arctic socket]

They should
Makes a thing where like if I run grim
Batol 60+ times my vault should have like loots from just grim

[rotund oak]

idk what u mean by originate but u press mutilate to a target under rupture and apply spatter

the dmg spatters from the target to an area around it

[normal mist]

Around the target

[hybrid tree]

Ty 🙂

I wanted to know if my position matters, or just the target's essentially 🙂

[rotund oak]

royal gets all the hearts 😦

[normal mist]

I got you homie

[shell venture]

When they announced m+ back in the days I actually thought that this is how the system will function

[subtle tundra]

Just like they said they would make it when they first announced it

(the great vault)

[hardy sorrel]

are yall tracking the stacks for kingsbane?

[glacial stump]

Goes off the target

[dusty crescent]

I did 0 delves this week, I'm cooked

[subtle tundra]

Also did 0. I'm happy

If I had to keep doing delves after hc week it would've been not nice

[strange python]

Don't really need to anymore if you've got heroic loots

[dusty crescent]

I'm 8/8 heroic in my vault

But I wanna maximize my depression

[strange python]

Imagine being a delver 🤮

[arctic socket]

ritual blade goes hard

[noble pollen]

Buff sin plz

[arctic socket]

sims higher for me then a 623 spyglass

(knife at 616)

[royal lantern]

Brother, you play WoW

[spring moat]

Got all heroic vault and delves

[dusty crescent]

I said maximize

[restive falcon]

NA is up

[arctic socket]

be sure to sc your vaults and tag whispyr asking what you shoud take

[rain mortar]

Vault vault vault

[pale wave]

you troll!!

[restive falcon]

i was just in

[mild tiger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[restive falcon]

they mustve accidently turnd them up

[quartz locust]

not really much to track, spam envenoms, re-shiv if specced for it

[swift dagger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[dusty crescent]

I track them

Try to get a new high score

I got to 100 once, nips got hard

[royal lantern]

yeha i doubt that

simply because KB caps at 50

[frail geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusty crescent]

My doggone WA said 100

Idfk

I'll Screencast next time I'm above 50

Screenshot *

I have no promlblem admitting I'm stupid

[noble pollen]

only above Aug Evoker 😂

[arctic socket]

we in the gutters fr fr fr

[spice spire]

Which means it’s nerf time baby

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/furry-wiggle-mrrp-nya-colon-three-gif-27633901

[sturdy plank]

How much crit is generally recommended for M+ when I need to FOK + spatter envenoms?

[royal lantern]

OH SHIT

QUAKE IS HERE

[strange python]

!spark

[royal lantern]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hollow stone]

:3

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/shy-eating-slowloris-gif-3824090

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Hey king

[glacial stump]

With playing 1 shiv in keys, is it better to DM>Shiv>KB or DM>KB>Wait to shiv at the end ?

[kind forge]

:3

[sturdy plank]

Stats wise is raw numbers or percentage = ?

[royal lantern]

with 1shiv you wait

[glacial stump]

Thanks

[spice spire]

Please DO NOT announce to the server when You are going to :3 in #1080572530554835072 .This has been a reoccurring issue, and I'm not sure why some people have such under developed social skills that they think that a server full of mostly male strangers would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering what emotes you've been using). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

[kind forge]

[arctic socket]

;3

[spice spire]

I’m tapping the sign rn

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Doesn’t matter if u ask mf tryna hit me with some npc shit get ur bread up

[kind forge]

u missed one tho

[spice spire]

Only thing I miss is her

Damn

[arctic socket]

wrong 1

[spice spire]

What I thot bozo

[arctic socket]

thot

ayo

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

You can just call me quake don’t have to call me god

[dusty crescent]

I'm unaware who quake is

Is proper procedure to bow or?

[arctic socket]

quake deez nuts

GOT EM

[kind forge]

i'm here for ya

[fading wraith]

When do US get to open vault, I need some 2nd dopamine

[thorn crater]

hey is there any world where shard of azzinoth is good as at least offhand? over secondary stats?

[normal mist]

No

[thorn crater]

does the sim use the effect properly?

[normal mist]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

its not an on-use, so theres nothing to use

[molten echo]

I’m running it in offhand due to lack of a better option currently, the proc does no damage

[thorn crater]

u know what i meann, the dmg it deals

might not be scaled

[marble hemlock]

just sim the difference, its usable if its your highest ilvl dagger (within reason)

[molten echo]

Well it does some damage, but it’s shit haha

[thorn crater]

welp thats bugged then

oh some is different from none 😛

[marble hemlock]

but compared to same ilvl daggers its not great

[thorn crater]

i got regicide and kukri from hc so im sticking with those

[marble hemlock]

likely not bugged, but intended. they dont really want once per ~3months items to actually be better than what is regularly available

[thorn crater]

you aint wrong on that

BT cache gave me slayers legs 😛

[marble hemlock]

think there was one time where skull of guldan was actually good for casters, and the healer wep from illidan too

[thorn crater]

was pretty cool to see them without tier attached to them

crit vers

[marble hemlock]

they fixed that fairly quickly by nerfing those effects to be worthless~ish

[balmy vapor]

Hey, I havent found any exact numbers regarding energy pooling, some guide I watched told me to wait (not cast envenom at all) to 180 energy if I end up being low on energy before starting chaining envenoms
However, outside of my KB burst window, should I instead maybe start being more conservative and waiting with envenom at say 100 energy or similar, so I have 100% uptime?

[marble hemlock]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[thorn crater]

getting declined from keys cause i dont have 4p is ultimate yikes

[dusty crescent]

I outgear the groups I get into and get declined bro

It's cancer

[dusty crescent]

I apply to*

[thorn crater]

btw quick question

[split veldt]

what's that website that shows all the popular specs per boss with log data again? shows it in tier list format

[thorn crater]

got skardyns from a +5

i assume i max it out right?

[frail geyser]

what did zerocool mean about double vanish? can someone share an example build pls 😄

[thorn crater]

or should i wait for tomorrow to see if i get the hero version of it?

[dusty crescent]

I'll donate to charity today if I get a skardyns

[balmy vapor]

Do I interpret the pooling tips to hover just under 50%? or at what energy level do we usually start waiting before pressing envenom? (Deathstalker)

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy vapor]

hovering around 50% would perhaps be smart so we always have energy when KB comes up

[thorn crater]

no but for real

do i max it? cause it takes away from other things i can raise from hero level

[hoary zodiac]

I heard the best combo is contract from raid with the knife trinket from delves, there’s a lot of trinkets to play with when it comes to assass so maybe just leave it for now and see what comes up going forward

[strange python]

If you have a trinket that you're not likely to upgrade go ahead and send it to 623

But I'd wait until vault

[dusty crescent]

Isn't it legitimately bis

[static glacier]

The best combo depends on situation

[dusty crescent]

Why wouldn't you my g

[thorn crater]

i mean if vault wasnt tomorrow i wouldnt wait

[pliant remnant]

but vault is tomorrow so

[hoary zodiac]

Aye agreed, that was my point, there’s so many combos with trinkets it’s ridiculous

[static glacier]

Contract on pure st is very competitive, but idk about saying bis

[pliant remnant]

[dusty crescent]

Wait huh, isn't vault in a few hrs

[static glacier]

Imo closest thing I’d consider to bis would be skardyn’s + dawn breaker passive stat trink

[pliant remnant]

EU 👍

[dusty crescent]

Ah

[normal mist]

Aka don't use double vanish

[clear nexus]

Last bos ara kara, my CC insta breaks if I hit feint when I run into the slime

[pliant remnant]

Unless you also like doing less damage

[spice spire]

Hey big dog

[kind forge]

[spice spire]

[kind forge]

[normal mist]

[bleak spoke]

wait really

[iron orchid]

[spice spire]

[hard river]

@runic matrix play outlaw

wrong one

[bleak spoke]

wrong lettuce

[hard river]

@bleak spoke

[bleak spoke]

man like

[spice spire]

Shut ur mouth don’t you ever slander my man like that again

[runic matrix]

[hard river]

I will ki||ss|| you

[spice spire]

@runic matrix have a great day homie (I love ur dog)

[kind forge]

[spice spire]

On god?

[runic matrix]

Same to you fren

[bleak spoke]

i don't like this iteration of outlaw

[dusty crescent]

I refuse to play the other specs

Mostly cuz idk how

[bleak spoke]

i'm too old and slow

[dusty crescent]

And I don't like pirates >=[

[spice spire]

Extremely based chat

[kind forge]

no u

[neat pier]

yo whispyr your guide on method is really really good. good job and thank you* rogue

[kind forge]

[neat pier]

huuzah

[spice surge]

[pliant remnant]

[bleak spoke]

i just want to play specs that are low apm and high brain delay

[spice spire]

Buddy do I have the spec for you

It’s called devastation evoker

[bleak spoke]

hell yeah

[spice spire]

[dusty crescent]

Lul

[bleak spoke]

CHANNEL DISIN

CALL IT A DAY

[spice spire]

Amen

[bleak spoke]

[pliant remnant]

channel DIS

https://tenor.com/view/dr-d-crouch-grab-get-serious-dr-disrespect-2time-back-to-back-gif-16886108

[bleak spoke]

sim for 1.6m

very cool mr. blizzardo

[normal mist]

Wowhead is prettier in my heart

[kind forge]

no u

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/bxK6b1o.png it's just so insane @spice spire

[neat pier]

we will send the defias messanger to your location Royal. please move cautiously for the rest of the day. Thanks rogue!

[spice spire]

34

[normal mist]

But but

[spice spire]

It’s like vanilla Assassination

[normal mist]

Whispyr wrote both @neat pier

[bleak spoke]

i think the last time we were 34 was like uldir

[spice spire]

We get sped up over time.
Even at its slowest in sl we were above 34

[neat pier]

I am an idiot. I go restealth now

[normal mist]

Dw we are all idiots

[bleak spoke]

vendetta was on the global in bfa, sandbags super hard

[neat pier]

why dont we all hang out and group up ingame for our vault opens

[bleak spoke]

that's why sub is so "high" probably

[neat pier]

lets add a little brotherly luck to the equation yeah

[snow kindle]

isnt it a lil skewed since 3 evo abilities are charges

[bleak spoke]

yeah

and obviously were competing with mind flay and drain soul

and rapid fire

all of these things are one action

[normal mist]

We already do, we spam the chat with:

• "Guys what do I pick????"
  Which only has 1 right answer...

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[bleak spoke]

the list doesn't actually really tell you what urgency a spec plays at, i.e. if you're playing soul harvester affi you're clipping your nightfall drains with rapture procs on sight

[neat pier]

Royal is that one friend who introduces you to things. What a guy

[bleak spoke]

so it feels way faster than it lookks

[normal mist]

Thanks man

[dusty crescent]

I'll do it if you're on NA

[neat pier]

yeah NA. ill post for our vault party

[sharp echo]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[spice spire]

Ur telling me prot Pally isn’t 90 apm?

Pissed

[bleak spoke]

i mean

lowkey it is though

[normal mist]

I play assa with 90apm

Lol

[bleak spoke]

shield of the righteous x 5000 combo

[gleaming crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

It’s closer to like 70ish.
At least it feels that way

Because yeah shield goes brazy

[normal mist]

Y'all playing assa wrong

[feral mason]

bac plays game with 500 apm

[spice spire]

89 seems disgustingly high

[strong wing]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7i5o4TYTDQpBfJRdWGw1bb https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iDbxZAHmkNXeGmRULL7e7b

[bleak spoke]

i think prot war feels more active

cuz shield block and ip are both off global miti

[normal mist]

If you want to play assa properly, you just move left and right between doing your rotation

[feral mason]

wait if i macro a 1s cd toy to a button, does it count it as an action

[bleak spoke]

yeh i spam strafe

[strong wing]

Ascension is simming higher for me, why?

[feral mason]

can i get 200apm

[normal mist]

Yes if you also spam mutilate 55 times between casts

[bleak spoke]

you're gonna drink ur tea by accident after the anniversary patch

[feral mason]

aaaa dont remind me

[normal mist]

I'll be thirsty either way

[dusty crescent]

So true

[dusty crescent]

Dps shuffle increases dps

[feral mason]

my house shakes upon the press of envenom

[normal mist]

100%

[feral mason]

trembles even

dps increase for sure

[normal mist]

Also DPS goes up if drip is good

[spice spire]

So envenom…

Makes it quake?

[bleak spoke]

heh this convo unlocked a hidden memory, i nearly got sat permanently for spam strafing on kelthuzad while going downstairs

[dusty crescent]

I use full brutal glad set, purple boy

[bleak spoke]

[spice spire]

[split cipher]

I reserve the shuffle for when im pooling

[dusty crescent]

Idc about making muh custom tmog

[feral mason]

tomorrow.

[spice spire]

[feral mason]

its.. its.. drippy!

[spice spire]

[normal mist]

And that's fine, it's just 5% less dps

[dusty crescent]

I gave blizzard approved drip, that set is amazing

[thorn fjord]

Heroic Queen ring in my vault surely

[normal mist]

Brutal glad = tbc right?

The blue recolour of sunwell?

[normal mist]

Isn't that merciful?

I might have swapped the names

[dusty crescent]

I forgot the adjective

[thorn fjord]

That’s shredder

[dusty crescent]

I am shredder yes

[soft surge]

what is this new pinned msg?

[thorn fjord]

[normal mist]

Don't use double vanish

[dusty crescent]

Can't say I don't look good

[thorn fjord]

It’s the greatest pin ever lmao

[normal mist]

Said by the one and only assa rank 1 these past few seasons

[normal mist]

You look good dw

[thorn fjord]

Love that zero had to come in here and tell all the specials to not be special

[normal mist]

Actually Chad move

[tropic cedar]

https://www.twitch.tv/bajheera/clip/DignifiedGiftedGuanacoRlyTho-kwnPS1lP5pS7KPMS

[thorn fjord]

He’s like yo I’m a fucking beast I can do this

Chill out

😂

Tried finishing a 10 SV yesterday lol

[dusty crescent]

Amazing

[normal mist]

"tried" says it all

[bleak spoke]

tbh you can play double vanish if you're pugging, because if you end up afking tricksing on pull, and then pull threat at the bottom of KB you'll have a solution. it's two-pronged - not only will you be able to drop aggro and blanket silence all the kicks people are about to miss, your kb will do less dmg making it harder to pull off the tank

[soft surge]

people play tricks?

[bleak spoke]

@balmy condor thoughts?

[dusty crescent]

I have to or I pull threat off my trash 🗑 tanks

[tropic cedar]

blackjack is based in keys for sin

[normal mist]

You can just press evasion

[thorn fjord]

We managed to down two bosses but hit a wall after 😦

[dusty crescent]

Cuz I have to pug, but can't get a decent group

[thorn fjord]

Our tank wasn’t ready

[normal mist]

And tank for 10 seconds

[soft surge]

evasion way better

that aoe blind is huge

[bleak spoke]

based on mental illness, more like

[novel star]

blackjack is literally just op though

[tropic cedar]

[soft surge]

also shadowmeld

[normal mist]

Yeah but

[dusty crescent]

Blackjack helps reduce dmg for bad tanks

[normal mist]

[bleak spoke]

yeah cuz they won't be tanking

you will

[novel star]

it helps reduce damage for good tanks too buddy it’s fucking 30% that’s ridiculous

[normal mist]

You sure you playing assa?

[dusty crescent]

I don't see good tanks

[novel star]

actually an absurd number

[dusty crescent]

Keep up

[spice surge]

Neither of them are particularly impactful

[normal mist]

Where did all that burst DMG come from

[ivory flower]

Timed SV in 11, healer carried it, boss dmg are insane

[soft niche]

hey Folks, should we use envenom at 4 or 5 points ? WowAlanyzer tells me to use at 4+ but wowhead mentioned that it should be 5+

[normal mist]

5+

[thorn fjord]

Yeah man the dmg output is wild

And everybody has to be pumping

[bleak spoke]

if you send tricks a bit later it's pretty decent

[soft surge]

was there no sv nerf in the coming reset?

[novel star]

wowanalyzer is not very up to date i think

[spice surge]

Ye you have to tricks during the latter part of KB for it to do anything

[bleak spoke]

but also it lets you garrote silence mobs while they're being gathered for ease of use

[novel star]

not ideal for sin

other than like if ur fucking up fundamentals ig

[bleak spoke]

that's the real use of it tbh

like

[ivory flower]

Pal and me was doing 1M8 dps overall with aug

[bleak spoke]

stuff like start of grim batol, silencing the three casters to pull them onto the dragon + pat etc

it's valuable in almost every key somewhere

in some cases in many pulls in the same keys

[soft niche]

well it says that is already up to date. They launch sin rogue supports this week i think

[thorn fjord]

Analyzer has atleast historically been good for sin

[novel star]

[thorn fjord]

Prob just gotta wait for them to update

[dusty crescent]

Just let me blind orbs without a mob target

[spice surge]

Unless the tank has touched the mobs if you open from stealth the mobs usually melee you instantly, even with tricks up

[bleak spoke]

i can't wait to get out of elo hell and jsut do keys without the affix on them

[dusty crescent]

I've noticed that on raid bosses

I'll tricks shadowstep ambush into a melee hit

[spice surge]

Yep

[dusty crescent]

Ridiculous

[frail geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[soft surge]

shadowstep is your issue

[strange python]

We need a !m+tips for all this shit would be so useful

[dusty crescent]

Oh really? But I tricks before hand smh

Y I gotta suffer bosses wrath

[spice surge]

Tricks just takes a millisecond or two to transfer its threat

[bleak spoke]

idk like i feel like i've never had that issue even now without long arms

[thorn fjord]

Kept getting smacked out of stealth last night on second raid boss after tank pulled

[bleak spoke]

yeh it's not instant

[thorn fjord]

standing too close like a dummy

[bleak spoke]

like if it's a really canned pull, consider distract them to turn them away, if it's gonna be fast, pop sprint and garrote them while running past tbh

by canned i mean like, you planned it ahead of time and you're willing to slow down just a second to make sure it goes good

[gloomy otter]

how much of a dps increase is SnD in an aoe opener?

[thorn fjord]

Anyone else using sprint trinket

[dusty crescent]

My trinket is the contract and the catalyst rn

[bleak spoke]

if it's really scary you can just fok froom stealth, step your tank or a friendly melee buddy and open, it's not nearly as tight with 6s to garrote nowadays

[dusty crescent]

The poison jump antidote and the 1/2 fist weapon trinket thing

[thorn fjord]

It’s funny holding sprint for dps

[novel star]

idk numbers exactly but i would imagine a lot because of kb stacking

[magic shore]

are you guys also not that preoccupied with tier set cuz its a very marginal increase?

[novel star]

ye

[thorn fjord]

I got tier w1 😬

[gloomy otter]

so it just affects the dmg of kb? so i dont need to snd if im not gonna burst a group?

[magic gale]

does my dmg breakdown look even remotely as it should +10 dawn

[dusty crescent]

I have 2 set

[toxic whale]

how do i sim for m+?

[dusty crescent]

Dslice

[thorn fjord]

Dslice

[novel star]

i mean you only press it once per dungeon

[bleak spoke]

ct more

[magic shore]

i have 1p, think ill only.use cata when i need the last one, no hurry

[novel star]

and that time you press it is when u have all ur cds up at the first pack

[magic gale]

only for up time, otherwise env ?

[dusty crescent]

I mean 4 set is nice

[novel star]

snd is pretty good man that’s a lot of attack speed for a class that has quite a few passive benefits on their autos

[gloomy otter]

yeh im too greedy for my cp in an opener so i usually activate it after a pack if i have some left

[magic shore]

got a very rare cape from last vault for.example, 6/6, hero with bônus leech, better than all tier pieces, trinkets and.dagger that i had to choose

[novel star]

definitely a bad idea

snd up makes everything better

[restive current]

!ui

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[thorn fjord]

Snd should kinda just stay up unless you guys get a lot of down time between pulls

[gloomy otter]

aight ill try to use it more at the start ty

[thorn fjord]

Which doesn’t happen frequently

[dusty crescent]

I use it as soon as I possibly can

[thorn fjord]

I usually never have to recast it

[dusty crescent]

I wish I could use uhhh venomous wounds? Idk the tick crit energy one

[lethal arrow]

debating if i wanna open vault in outlaw for the fist weapon 🤔

[thorn fjord]

Unless it’s on boss or something

[dusty crescent]

But it always Sims lower

[dusty crescent]

Ew we use shanks here go away

[soft surge]

same

[bleak spoke]

yeh, but also exoticish rules i guess, ct when you have momentum of despair up in single target (that's fok crits give fok/ct crit chance and strikethrough, worth castin ct even in kb windows cuz you never drop env buff, etc etc, tbh though like of all places dawnbreaker probably your env would be higher than normal its probably ite

[lethal arrow]

but the chance of a dagger in my m10 slot

[gloomy otter]

do i wanna mutilate at 2 enemys or fan of knives better? or just use fan of knives on 3+?

[thorn fjord]

Are servers still down?

[dusty crescent]

Ye

[bleak spoke]

realm lists still greyed out

[magic gale]

i see, thanks, love the name and agree 100% haha

[lethal arrow]

should be down for another hour or so

[novel star]

what the hell

oh you mean dashing scoundrel

[bleak spoke]

[dusty crescent]

Yeahhh there you go

[novel star]

i thoughr you were on crack

[thorn fjord]

3 unless you’re running imo poison build then you use after er in opener

[novel star]

saying venomous wounds is skippable

[dusty crescent]

I don't remember talent names

I fucked up be nice

[novel star]

very fair

[gloomy otter]

nah i mean do i build up cp with mutilate or fans on only 2 pack

[novel star]

i’m not being mean!!!!!

[dusty crescent]

It has the icon of venomous wounds or used to I think idk

[bleak spoke]

if you skip ven wounds you could play at 15 apm it will own

[thorn fjord]

On two you’re mutilating

[gloomy otter]

aight ty brotha

[halcyon grail]

3+ depending on talents. Ideally 5.

[novel star]

ye

[upper spear]

unless clear the witness is up

[novel star]

fan at 3+ usually, 2+ on m+ deathstalker

[halcyon grail]

Ye CTW is just bussit when it's up. Just like popping a mutilate on AoE/cleave for the CS.

[novel star]

mutilate at 2 is like single target build DS or fatebound

[pastel onyx]

@spice spire

[narrow bluff]

guys its normal as assa rogue 607ilvl 1700 i cant find party even for +5?

[soft surge]

def fan on 2 with hybrid build in m+

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/WpeBRjB.png rate my build

[novel star]

kills you with hammers

[thorn fjord]

Tf is even that

[gloomy otter]

so how do i keep up energy if im out of tea and its a pure single target fight? after a few mins into the fight im only able to almost only auto attacks

[bleak spoke]

btw it is fucking crazy that blizzard allow this to be talent intoable

like

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hell-is-that-gif-27667584

[novel star]

you don’t

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[bleak spoke]

this is the least new player friendly thing

lowkey

[novel star]

never tea outside of cooldowns

[dusty crescent]

....what

[thorn fjord]

I miss my old sin where we were just slinging envenoms like nobody’s business

[novel star]

if you run out of energy and can’t maintain envenom anymore

[upper spear]

self control, if ALL Your CDs are down, and you have all your bleeds running you only ENV in the pandemic window to build back up + you use your Echo Rep to maintain easier

[novel star]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

then you pool

[gloomy otter]

what exactly does "envenom uptime" mean?

[novel star]

the buff it gives you

poison application chance buff

[bleak spoke]

30% increased chance to poison

1s per combo point spent

[gloomy otter]

aaaah so i in late fights i wait till my envnenom buff is gone?

[upper spear]

no

[gloomy otter]

if im low on energy i mean

[upper spear]

pandemic window

[novel star]

the entire fight you wait until your envenom buff is in the last 1 second of uptime

[dusty crescent]

Seriously tho what is this build lol

[thorn fjord]

You gain dmg for reapplying while it’s still up

[novel star]

outside of cooldowns

[coral ibex]

i thought you spam envenoms during kingsbane windows

[thorn fjord]

So re apply at 1s left

[upper spear]

yes

[novel star]

ye

[gloomy otter]

oh lol never knew that

!wa

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[coral ibex]

ok just wanted to make sure

[gloomy otter]

is there a envenom wa?

[novel star]

whispyrs tracks it

[upper spear]

yes, check LE

[thorn fjord]

Class weak auras all have it

[coral ibex]

because pressing literally nothing in retail just feels weird

[novel star]

i think it feels good and i’ll be really sad if they ever change it

[thorn fjord]

Nah man it’s shit

[bleak spoke]

it's "no venomous wounds" but really i was just making a point about how blizzard should really make some of these things unskippable in the tree because you could have such a bad experience for no reason if you're new to the game etc

[gloomy otter]

https://i.imgur.com/XFDgP1X.png

kinda small 😄

[soft surge]

play outlaw if u want the apm

[thorn fjord]

Make it bigger then

[upper spear]

you only press nothing when all your CDs are down, you have uptime on everything, and you're pooling Envenom to hit pandemic uptime on the Env buff

[gloomy otter]

then i have the make the whole WA bigger

[novel star]

the only dps that still have to gaf about resources and not just spam buttons are like sin and feral

[coral ibex]

yea thats what im talking about

[novel star]

would suck if they changed it

[coral ibex]

you have garrote up, rupture up, cds down, envenom buff up

[dusty crescent]

Imma play it in my next key

You can't stop me

[thorn fjord]

This is a relatively new play style rotation though

And imo it ain’t it

[novel star]

uptime specs like this are only interesting because of the energy

[thorn fjord]

Kinda lame tbh

[bleak spoke]

agreed

[coral ibex]

no, energy pooling for envenom goes back to wrath

[novel star]

absolutely not even a little true what

[coral ibex]

it isn't new

[novel star]

this is how the game used to be forever

[soft surge]

it may change with the thistle tea thing next patch

[novel star]

only with powercreep did sin ever become a mash spec

[coral ibex]

you used to pool energy to get 2x mutilates in envenom buff

[novel star]

and then they reverted it

[thorn fjord]

I’ve been mythic raiding sin a long time and the pandemic envenom stuff really started s3 of DF

Before you would just send env

But ok

[novel star]

brother

[upper spear]

plz dont read my name

[novel star]

in like bfa maybe

[bleak spoke]

no, i can't stop you. have fun 🙂

[novel star]

but old expansions ur lying out ur ass

[thorn fjord]

It was the s3 tier that really implemented it

[waxen oyster]

You still pandemic envenoms

prior to s3

just to max the buff

or EP

[bleak spoke]

i miss ep

[thorn fjord]

But it wasn’t as necessary as it is now

[novel star]

we never had the energy to just mash buttons before bfa afaik

[waxen oyster]

debatable

[thorn fjord]

Legion would like a word

lol

[novel star]

maybe legion too

[dusty crescent]

I wonder how gloriously awful it will be

[upper spear]

i didnt play legion, but i heard things

[thorn fjord]

We were spamming envs back then too

[novel star]

yeah that’s why i said afaik cus i lack knowledge of legion

[waxen oyster]

legion was slow as shit

[gloomy otter]

can someone gimme a screenshot of pandemic , im still not sure what exactly is meant wiath pandemic window , im playing on other language

[waxen oyster]

if we’re talking ago poison era

[bleak spoke]

rupture and garrote won't give you energy, good luck

[soft surge]

legion was just praying for poison bombs

[upper spear]

!pendemic

[novel star]

just press envenom when the buff has <1s remaining

[thorn fjord]

Rng lord PB proc s

[novel star]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[upper spear]

!pandemic

[gloomy otter]

and do i wanna wait for envenom to get to 1 sec even when im full energy?

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[upper spear]

imagine a pendemic

[novel star]

that depends on a few things

[waxen oyster]

Legion sin was actually

wait 3-4 gcds

between mutilates

[novel star]

if you would OVERCAP energy then no

[waxen oyster]

not a joke

[novel star]

if you are playing sanguine blades deathstalker then no

[coral ibex]

overcapping energy is always bad

[thorn fjord]

Towards the end of legion it was literally just get as many envenoms as possible and pray for PB procs

[crisp stream]

!wa

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[upper spear]

spend if you're at like 80%-ish energy

otherwise, maintain, pool, until next CDs

[spice spire]

[bleak spoke]

i miss bfa sin, but probably less for game design and more because i was less awful at the video game

[novel star]

if neither of these things are true (ur at like 85% energy and not running sanguine) then yes even then you play for uptime and use the energy later

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[waxen oyster]

but yeah idk

[limpid plinth]

!enchant

[waxen oyster]

env uptime still mattered in legion

it just didnt contribute to actual details damage

until s3 df

with the tier bonus

[bleak spoke]

mattered in bfa as well, and slands too

[novel star]

bfa you got 100% uptime without being conscious of it though is the issue

[bleak spoke]

only with corruption

[novel star]

yeh true

when i say bfa i mean like end of bfa

[bleak spoke]

like double dose sin

[upper spear]

did someone say corruption

[thorn fjord]

No ahh

[spice spire]

It was slow as fuck before corruption

[bleak spoke]

was like actually 35 apm

[waxen oyster]

Yeah people need to stop talking the mistake season

of bfa s4

[dull cloak]

bfa you also got so much haste from corruption it became worth it to crimson tempest + exsang n ST

[novel star]

hey that’s when i started playing

[spice spire]

Same

[bleak spoke]

and you would put your envenoms in your toxic blades and put your mutis in your envenoms and clip your eps in vendetta

[spice spire]

Pandemic got me good

[novel star]

my first experience with wow was haste stacking 8.3 sin

lmao

[thorn fjord]

We were sending CT in st in sanctum also

[upper spear]

but i liked seeing my garrote machine gun at my 300% baseline haste

[waxen oyster]

and you still lost

to the hunter

[novel star]

i need to make an important decision today

[bleak spoke]

it was worth it before you actually got your expedient pieces already tbh

[novel star]

lightforged or velf

surely it’s just lightforged

[bleak spoke]

or with like 1 or 2 of them

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire it’s too noisy

Come save me Obi Wan

[upper spear]

god can i find my old logs....

[bleak spoke]

idk, i just remember on carapace prog like i had like almost none cuz no vendor and like

[novel star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak spoke]

it was already much better

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m gonna moan in ur ear if you sass me again

[waxen oyster]

8.3 still stands

as the worst season of wow

[thorn fjord]

Sexy moan or poop moan

[waxen oyster]

in a long time to me

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

9.3 existed pal get woke

10.3 as well

[waxen oyster]

which one was that

[slim pebble]

How do I get in on this

[thorn fjord]

S1 DF bro cmon

[spice spire]

Replay season

[thorn fjord]

When we had the world in front of us

[spice spire]

Garbage time as I call it

[thorn fjord]

Then blizzard took it all away

[mellow gale]

is blind aoe using airborne irritant not working for xalatath orbs in m+?

[split willow]

Does shadowmeld count as stealth for improve garrote etc?

[waxen oyster]

ok sl s4 was ok

[novel star]

have to target a mob/boss

[spice spire]

Hit a mob next to an orb

[waxen oyster]

there was no 10.3

[spice spire]

No but you can meld > stealth outside of bosses

[upper spear]

8.3 logs, so much pink
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/föxez?zone=24#difficulty=4

[spice spire]

??? Was it just 10.2.5 as replay season?

[waxen oyster]

s1 was fun

yes

[spice spire]

Gabagool

[waxen oyster]

i remember having

[bleak spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654174493413081089/691081470504337458/Wow_2020-03-19_20-36-01.jpg?ex=66f40286&is=66f2b106&hm=de9a02cae52d65389542426093ea349a1a139e61def6f3ae41fc79e22ce0a2e4& oh my god i found a funny screenshot from that era

[waxen oyster]

35% mindflay dam

how do spriest players complain they’re bad

their class damage extends to other classes!

[slim pebble]

I won’t lie, the 8.3 bleed build was fun AF

[novel star]

sin topping the meters with boring mindless gameplay

good times

[slim pebble]

(I think that’s what the kids are saying now)

[novel star]

now we sweat to be garbage

[gloomy otter]

does team effort in raids affect your own parses? like i had green logs on silken court last night because 90% of raid was dead but we killed it lol

[novel star]

yes

[gloomy otter]

ok good

[novel star]

kill time can affect it

[upper spear]

we're still topping boss dam

[gloomy otter]

i tought im trash

[sharp echo]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[full spire]

How good is sin rogues ST in the m+ build? I’m looking to swap off feral and looking into other classes for a pros/cons list. My group is currently doing 9-10s if that’s relevant.

[novel star]

shouldn’t be

[upper spear]

losing to what

[spiral gale]

Quicker the kill the better the parse

[bleak spoke]

i dont think we are really

[novel star]

almost everything else?

we are very mid

[bleak spoke]

well not everything else in boss dam no

but to a bunch of stuff

[upper spear]

mmm idk, my groups suck then

[slim pebble]

If you’re topping meters I have bad news about your raid team

[novel star]

[upper spear]

not meters

boss dam

[cerulean walrus]

We absolutely aren’t topping boss damage

[spiral gale]

We pump on aoe at least

[waxen oyster]

even worse

[thorn fjord]

😞

[novel star]

boss dam we should even more never be winning tbh

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/qNg80bO.png kind of rocky evidence cuz so few mythic logs in general rn

[cerulean walrus]

If you’re topping boss damage in your raid team

[coral ibex]

assa is top third of dam to bosses

[waxen oyster]

well you can top details on a boss

[upper spear]

BM go burr

[coral ibex]

i'd rather be where assa is overall than fury

[waxen oyster]

if you spatter onto affix

but thats not real dam

[bleak spoke]

also if you pretend the bombardments are actually your damage

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah but singular focus man

[thorn fjord]

I’m in denial and think that as the gear continues to come in we’ll be higher on the meters

[cerulean walrus]

[hexed frost]

I was this close to greatness

[waxen oyster]

shhh

[novel star]

i’m in denial and think blizzard will actually fix the balance of our spec a little

[spiral gale]

You're great to me king

[spice spire]

You wouldn’t bottom details would u

[novel star]

they gotta nerf caustic man

[thorn fjord]

Problem is we’re pretty strong in m+

[upper spear]

we have the Echo Rep changes coming, good? bad?

[thorn fjord]

So we’re not considered a failure

[novel star]

that’s what i mean

[spice spire]

Deece

[bleak spoke]

i actually got owned by that on silken court or something, i was like ahead by so so much on the meter and then i go to the log and it's like i feel like the evoker owes me money but i'm not clear how much, or even why

[novel star]

they have to nerf caustic or ct or both

[hexed frost]

Delete

[novel star]

and then buff everything else

[dusty crescent]

Our overall dmg is pretty nutty in m+ yeah

[waxen oyster]

never trust details

[novel star]

balance it out a little

[waxen oyster]

with an evoker in the group

[thorn fjord]

Our overall dmg and utility is bonkers right now

[waxen oyster]

thieving geckos

smh

[thorn fjord]

But in raid we’re kinda just there

Even with the iron wire nerf it’s still going to be strong

[upper spear]

iron wire buff coming tho

[cerulean walrus]

These unethical lizard people

[spring moat]

What’s proper order in regards to death mark shiv and tea n kingsbane

[limpid badge]

On bosses like silken court bleeding both targets is bis yeah?

[thorn fjord]

Dm shiv+tea kb

[upper spear]

itso n WoWhead

[novel star]

tea isn’t used in a strict order it’s any time in shiv when you won’t waste the energy

[thorn fjord]

I like turtles

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/mVKU2i0.png from normal splits, don't look at my other logs i am lagging, bad and also retired just there to funnel the homies gear

[thorn fjord]

And @cerulean walrus

[novel star]

but the cooldowns where it is relevant

[bleak spoke]

it's actually so disgusting

[cerulean walrus]

[novel star]

you dm -> shiv -> kb alwyas

[dusty crescent]

Nice bud

[bleak spoke]

it was like at least 200k bombardments

or osmething

legit when you press deathmark

bombardments go brazy

[waxen oyster]

smh

[novel star]

wtf even is a bombardment

[waxen oyster]

Aug disease spreading

[thorn fjord]

Not if you have 1 charge of shiv

[upper spear]

has anyone theory crafted the Echo Rep updates? Maybe its too early?

[novel star]

ye true

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-horus-heresy-gif-25203003

[bleak spoke]

scalecommander, they piggyback off your dmg to on hit

it's aug/dev

[lethal mortar]

quick question, does indiscrimnate carnage prio targets without bleeds? need this confirmed

[bleak spoke]

but it shows up as your own dmg on details

[novel star]

like in anniversary? none of it works properly so yeh too early

[lethal arrow]

yes

it has smart spread

[lethal mortar]

hell yeah

TY

[upper spear]

no the rework coming

[novel star]

aha

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/HIYB9hZ.png

[novel star]

yeah the rework in anniversary

in 2 months

[lethal mortar]

trying to get better at it i used to main sub playing ASS this xpac

[upper spear]

ah yes

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah can’t fucking wait to accidentally botch the math on my envenom and chug tea cause it it

[waxen oyster]

i never see scalecommander augs

[thorn fjord]

Tea is good for the soul

[cerulean walrus]

LIKE IT OR NOT

[novel star]

love tea

[dusty crescent]

I did 95+ parses on yep fights everything else was 70s :(((

[cerulean walrus]

YOU WILL DRINK

CHUG THAT TEA

[spiral gale]

Sub gave me carpal tunnel

[dusty crescent]

I wanna be a full gold Boi someone help me

[cerulean walrus]

Down the hatch

[novel star]

man i need a quake log review

[bleak spoke]

YOU VILL DRINK ZE TEA

[thorn fjord]

Oh noo feefer

[waxen oyster]

how tf do you get carpal from sub

[novel star]

i dropped an 88 kyveza

[waxen oyster]

that spec isnt even that high on apm

[spice spire]

You need some bitches

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/mona-feefer-juice-birdy-its-ok-gif-16702559592276273581

[novel star]

please sir just one

[cerulean walrus]

DRINK UP

[thorn fjord]

You know what’s up lmaoo

[spice spire]

Mf I ain’t got one to spare

[thorn fjord]

Feeeeferr

[novel star]

quake im gonna link it

and ur gonna ping a greenie

[spice spire]

Is this the forbidden sprite

The ohio special?

[blazing jewel]

@spice spire spare this

[thorn fjord]

Losing your playoff games?

[spice spire]

No

In 2 days

We find

The sink demon

[thorn fjord]

Poop demon

https://tenor.com/view/yash-hasbulla-yashdhan121-yashdhan123-yash-drink-gif-22917451

[waxen oyster]

tbh i dont get how people get carpal tunnel playing wow

how many hours do you play a dayt

to achieve that

[thorn fjord]

It’s from years of playing

[steel sable]

trying to back track to the comments about meters (details) showing more damage than the logs. meters showed my rogue was on top by 100-150k on Ulgraz. Later when reviewing the logs our Dev evoker was over me by 50k

[thorn fjord]

Aug probably?

[heavy mountain]

For silken court do you take resounding clarity or 2/2 lethality?

[waxen oyster]

same

[bleak spoke]

fury warrior in mdi practice made mine flare up for the first time in years

but that was legit like 8 hour days

[thorn fjord]

Sim racing fucked my left hand/wrist

[waxen oyster]

Yeah 8 hour days

[dusty crescent]

Oh that's lean

[waxen oyster]

I miss being a student

and having that much free time

[thorn fjord]

I miss being young 😩

[spice spire]

Old ass man

[dusty crescent]

I have auto fire on all my dps buttons so I press them and hold till spell goes off

Like queuing

[thorn fjord]

Tbh being a parent is what makes me feel old

[dusty crescent]

I dint spam keys

[spice spire]

I didn’t have that much free time when I was a student

[bleak spoke]

my wrist was already fucked from piano though, wow didn't cause it

[thorn fjord]

Having kids will age you

[steel sable]

nah he was Dev. If he was Aug I could have understood it

[young dust]

Guys, if I'd like an all-around gear for both assa and sub, haste should be the least prio, right?

[blazing jewel]

Bombardments

[bleak spoke]

alright 30 minutes till scheduled time, do we start taking bets on extended maint

[thorn fjord]

Sub doesn’t like haste

[young dust]

then just swap rings for haste on assa or smth

[thorn fjord]

You got a lot of wiggle room with stats on sin

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/LBoLNuW.png

[drifting cloud]

already got extended

[bleak spoke]

wait really

fugggggggggggggggggggggg

[thorn fjord]

Wow way to kill the vibe

[waxen oyster]

they’re a small indie company

no budget for proper servers

[young dust]

yeah im at a point where mastery>>>haste on 24% haste or so

[weary juniper]

someone have a good plates profile for assa? ty

[young dust]

gotta swap both haste rings

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

whispyr plater is good

[young dust]

btw affixes on m+ will be the same but fortified and tyrannical swapped?

[weary juniper]

i just tested it, the problem is that it track things that i dnt need bcs i cant control them, like the weapon enchant injection etc

[novel star]

could blacklist it manually prob

[hot fulcrum]

!dn

wat. where is buglist for DS?)
Was going to see if vanish marks are still don't consume when DN is active(

[thorn fjord]

They don’t

It’s still broken

[weary juniper]

gona check it, bcs also dnt show the mark from deathstalker

[sturdy stirrup]

dear diary today i've tried to do 10 m9-10dungeon from pug none key finished

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/testing-new-deez-nuts-ha-teeth-gif-15758045

[sturdy stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[hot fulcrum]

so no vanish if I have marks for ST build right? Only if I'm stupid and lost mark for some reason

[dusty crescent]

I feel that

[hot fulcrum]

I mean if no imp garrote

[worn badger]

anyone that is successfully soloing +8 delves as sin ? what build and brann are you using. do you just always wait for cooldowns ?

[hot fulcrum]

m+ hibryd build + tricks + brannh healer)

[weary juniper]

kinda easy, brann healer droping potions, 1% regen when u use a 30sec cd, and the one that make u big or small

[thorn fjord]

Hybrid with brann as healer

Then swap to st on last boss

[worn badger]

thanks

[queen halo]

Anyone know what addons or weakauras there are for rotations? I do decent damage as Assassin Rogue in M+ but I need improvement for single target build/rotation for raiding. I don't want one that makes skills on action bar flash as I am never looking there. So looking more for like a weakaura that would show each skill that I should push in a bar or something I can move.

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

[queen halo]

ty ty!

[wise mist]

hey boys, what's the most optimal M+ build? I'm seeing a few differing ones, wondering if there's a clear winner

[dense cloud]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[keen spruce]

Just play hybrid

[wise mist]

Ahh okay, so no Zoldyk?

[dusty crescent]

I'll be switching to hybrid for m+ here I haven't been using it

[wise mist]

I see some pumping insane mob numbers running Zol

[keen spruce]

I mean it doesn’t really matter tbh

Optimal is relative

[thorn fjord]

Bleed is fun hybrid is fun

[heavy trail]

I really want to learn how to be good at ass in keys as it's obviously more complex than my survival/marks main. Just have to get those keybinds to muscle memory, but it's pretty rewarding to execute well.

[keen spruce]

Anything on Wowhead will work

[thorn fjord]

So that makes your heart smile

[wise mist]

Been testing a couple, been hybrid atm but Zoldyk seems nutty

[wise mist]

Unfortunately when you like min maxing its not always the case

[heavy trail]

Is the hybrid build on icy/wowhead ? I think i just copied one from there

[worn badger]

are any of the hehili/herorotation mods updated enough to be a good guide point for restarting your rotation/pooling if you are just lost/confused for a moment ?

[novel star]

that’s hp bar colour

spatter and mark both recolour the bar

no icon

[keen spruce]

I mean if you’re min/maxing overall damage you might not be using the best build. The only thing you should min/max in m+ is timing the key

[slate robin]

How do you get ambush off on 1st boss CoT, I keep getting dragged in out of stealth, or I try Step in and get 1 shot by boss haha

[keen spruce]

Not recommended

[cerulean walrus]

Just vanish

Ambush

Or use your DN

(Deez Nuts)

[slate robin]

Ah, OK. Sometimes stealth ruins rogue haha

[vale shore]

deathstalker is super fiddley sometimes, I gave up and just use fatebound

[wise mist]

Yeah mechanics always come first and obviously with shit like Tyran you dont wannt sac too much ST damage but with higher keys/bigger pulls I want the mobs to drop as fast as possible

[heavy trail]

I use KUI with helper, and have the bar turn light green if spatter is up, dark green if its up with rup/gar ; red with just rup and orange if just gar. White of just gar/rup. LOL probably too much haha.

[worn badger]

blerg 2 hour extension =/

[weary juniper]

yeee just saw it thx, its kinda what i was lf +-

@novel star one more thing, im new with plates xD, how do i remove 1 of the CD numbers?

[keen spruce]

Anytime a lieutenant mob is alive after the small mobs in the pull, the damage to the small mobs was “wasted”. As a general rule

[hasty gate]

whats the best m+ aura people are using

[rocky spear]

!enchants

[novel star]

someone else had this issue recently in here and i think it was omnicc causing it

[heavy trail]

@weary juniper I think its omnicc doing it and having it in the addon also.

Another thing can check in your wow settings with the cooldown as numbers option also

[dusty crescent]

Wait they fucking extended it

?

[weary juniper]

love you

[weary juniper]

was omnicc xd

[dusty crescent]

Bruh I just wanna access my pc from work and Crack my vault

[novel star]

nice

[novel star]

Ye

idk just new expansion shit

[thorn fjord]

Install wow on your work pc

Become the danger

[novel star]

[weary juniper]

gona join a normal raid to test the new plates, hope i dnt join and have a screen full of debuffs from the other players xD

[dusty crescent]

I work for waste management

I doubt that would go over well

[thorn fjord]

IT never cares trust

😂

[heavy trail]

I only got a vault on my hunter haha. my rogue is only 78 but then again, I kind of did it on purpose as alt night for our raid will be on thursday 🙂

[dusty crescent]

They have a ridiculous amount of barriers

They have Netflix banned here

I can't install anything to the pc

[stark halo]

What is the snapshot consensus after the latest dps raid rankings for best rogue spec? Seems like the assasination numbers are skewed. I’d rather take a 40-50k dps loss than play Sub again.

[dusty crescent]

Based individual

[novel star]

depends on the encounter if you’re an extremely high level player

and if you’re not just play what you want

[neat pier]

2-minute warning

[stark halo]

Sub does have it plus sides with Trickster and cleave fights

[acoustic roost]

2hr 2min warning*

[neat pier]

extended?

[stark halo]

I guess ST just go Assassination and everything else Trickster

[neat pier]

oh wow. time to do more productivity

[dusty crescent]

Yeah if you're a ce raider I guess, the 50k dps matters but like... something is wrong if boss doesn't die because one dude dos is 50k lower