assassination

[runic hinge]

Idk. You should ask the outlaw channel

[fickle girder]

honestly

[uncut knot]

Hey guys, is there a big differnece in MM+ once u got the 4P ? overall wise)

[limber lion]

No

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[surreal spear]

What, doesnt 4p help in m+ at all?

Should be a nice upgrade atleast

[lethal mortar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

it is a damage increase, yes

ofc

[lethal arrow]

Your dps actually goes down

[balmy condor]

Yeah fat 2-3% increase

Huge

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr’s gyatt increases 2-3% for every 4p obtained

[balmy condor]

[oak nacelle]

which enchants for pvp and pve?

[cerulean walrus]

[cerulean walrus]

PvP #pvp PvE

[oak nacelle]

even for enchants? cuz so expensive i don't want to change

[waxen oyster]

They use different weapons

for pvp anyhow

[oak nacelle]

u mean diff set of daggers for pvp and pve?

[waxen oyster]

Yes

[oak nacelle]

conquest one would be my highest lvl for a while

[waxen oyster]

considering pvp daggers scale to 639

in pvp

[oak nacelle]

well I can upgrade the daggers to 619 I think

[waxen oyster]

the conquest daggers yes

[oak nacelle]

it comes down to authority of the depths vs radiant I think, don't mind about 0.1% diff

[waxen oyster]

the conquest dagger is crit/vers

which isnt optimal in pvp tbh

[oak nacelle]

it isn't for any spec lol

dunno why blizz does this

authority of the depths doesn't get % increase from our shadow dmg talents does it?

[waxen oyster]

you can craft vers/mast

and no

outlaw is the only one of the three that doesnt use radiant power

[oak nacelle]

why is that?

curious why they are diff

and same enchant on both weapons doesn't double the effect just increase proc chance, right?

[subtle tundra]

cause they bitches

[waxen oyster]

Outlaw isnt a burst spec.

so generally they benefit more from consistent damage

[tall atlas]

think hes wanting to start a war boiz

[scenic nacelle]

He’s not wrong, sanguine blades kinda pipes

[oak nacelle]

i just go with radiant cuz good in aoe too. someone knows plz?

[radiant sentinel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

Effects always stack their bonus not their proc

[oak nacelle]

ah so i guess double the agi

thanks

[balmy condor]

Np

[waxen oyster]

pvpers run vers mast with radiant for sin and sub pretty sure

Although sub is just considered.....better

having frequent access to stealth ccs is a big deal

[rain mortar]

im trying to explain to someone why offhand dagger ilvl is not important - wasn't there a video or something made by whispyr? I cant find it am i crazy?

nvm

found it 🙂

[muted ridge]

!offhand

i think

nvm

[spice spire]

Nah eleem is a goat

[quasi steppe]

dawnthread still bis in m+?

[slow trail]

guys what is the best combo between " Grace of skardyn", "dead-eye" and "arakara egg" got the 3 in hero tier and they sims closely ( except of bloodmallet who tell me arakara is a little bit under. wanted to have some advice, ty

[mystic osprey]

Sim

[cinder pebble]

Wasted a shit ton of crests to get the offhand up and running ^^ and you are telling me know that it wont matter? O:s

[mystic osprey]

Probably skardyn and spyglass

[cinder pebble]

I find grace a nice on use.

[slow trail]

yeah i love it too

[rain mortar]

I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not - but whipyr made a video a little while ago about dagger off hand dmg

Ilvl means very very little

[cinder pebble]

Gotta check it out then. Tyvm for pointing it out ^^

Rip gilded crests then ^^

[mint urchin]

If you sim your stat weights even it shows offhand being next to nothing compared to everything else

[somber sparrow]

however, without an offhand equipped you can't mutilate. keep that in mind folks

[timber gate]

where is it @rain mortar

[spare shoal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9byXC1zfGwJhMnF4#fight=33&type=damage-done
hey team i was tasked with rerolling for raids to rogue, i'd studied top logs rotation and such, but im honestly stumped when it comes to my own damage, can someone take a look at what im doing wrong and can do right?

[rain mortar]

https://youtu.be/xtGfQvlaVac?si=I3FKG9H6lvX09wPm

[eager tree]

I’d ping makeitquake and see if he can do a log review.

lol 2024 castle nathria

[fast fog]

Is there a visual guide or info graphic floating around that I can show to a buddy for aoe situations? Or a video of someone going over a few different ways to approach aoe openers based on pack size? (I may be asking for too much here)

[spare shoal]

@spice spire if it isn't too much trouble could you take a look

[novel star]

whispyr has a like 90 minute long video about m+

if your friend is into yapping

otherwise wowhead guide is good

[fast fog]

Pog. Thanks friend.

I'll go peep.

[novel star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_if0HnJ1gE

visual aoe opener from wowhead

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fast fog]

👑

[fast fog]

Perfect! Thank you!

[novel star]

after that point the rotation is just mashing fok -> envenom and maintaining ct

if pack survives long enough reapply 5 ruptures

and repeat

pack size doesnt rly change anything other than using less carnage garrotes i guess

if youre deathstalker with m+ talents u even use fan over mut at 2 targets so like

yea

[slim pebble]

I’m really trying to figure out how I imported a raid build with imp garrote and sanguine glades

[novel star]

because imp garrote and sanguine blades are good talents

?

[slim pebble]

Well yeah. But that isn’t the build that is linked on wowhead and that’s where I got my build from

[novel star]

wowhead has a couple different builds

[polar sinew]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

it takes the bleed talents over venoms on court i think?

cus like multi dotting

but idk

[spice spire]

@normal mist can you thread? Soon can do friend!

[weary juniper]

someone can give me a hand with pandemic rupture?

i just analice my log, and say that i used envenom a lot without pandemic rupture

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Awbk2qaNCPRmnJV6/11/65

if i w8 more to do it, where i spend combo points instead?

[deep sorrel]

st sang blades still playing for env uptime rather than +150?

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

yes

[deep sorrel]

ty bro

[novel star]

on deathstalker you actively avoid sanguine blades outside of cds even when its talented because its bad and makes you lose dam

[lucid silo]

whats the easiest bountiful today

[normal mist]

yes

[gentle badger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[novel star]

on fb you just like yea

its in the command

[normal mist]

Grate log (nice pun)

[weary juniper]

why?

For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime

[spice surge]

To not use energy on sanguine

Its more valueable to use it on mutilates/envenoms outside cds

But during deathmark sanguine goes hard

[novel star]

less energy = less mark pops = gg

[normal mist]

Altough we don't really use sanguine right? or are there any recent builds using it?

[weary juniper]

then thats the problem

that im using sanguine

as a deathstalker

[spice spire]

In st

Bad

In m+ good

[novel star]

i mean

[weary juniper]

i see

[novel star]

sanguine and vv raid builds sim like .1% apart or something dont they lol

or did ambush bug get fixed

[spice surge]

No

[novel star]

actually playing for sanguine is bad tho yeah but not like the build

[spice surge]

That bug actually fucks sub over harder than the er fix that caused it

[novel star]

good, fuck sub

[haughty flicker]

man

[proven jasper]

[haughty flicker]

watching silken court almost makes me happy my guild decided not to raid

because theres no fucking way we wouldve killed this boss

[weary juniper]

and by any chance u can switch internal bleeding for caustic spatter for bosses like ovi ? or internal still perform betteR?

[haughty flicker]

unless they fundamentally change how it works lmao

[novel star]

caustic is better in every situation where there are adds to kill

ib is kinda not a good talent

[haughty flicker]

assuming spatter can reach the adds

rashanan fun fight

[novel star]

well yeah

rash fucks it

but still

internal bleeding is like a 1.8% dam talent or something around there

[weary juniper]

ty

[wet pasture]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[weary juniper]

then, why is a bad usage?

what i do with that combo points if i dnt use envenom?

[subtle tundra]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

is that wowanalyzer?

[weary juniper]

y

[subtle tundra]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[subtle tundra]

wow!

[weary juniper]

hm? xd

[subtle tundra]

nothing i was just curious

[slim pebble]

So we just never consume clear the witness in VV build?!

[runic hinge]

Correct

[novel star]

yep

[runic hinge]

Don’t think wow analyzer is updated

[strange python]

what is best 4pc without one?

chest? hear(engi craft)?\

[cyan dew]

Guys, any tips (like do I hodl any cd? ask for what group? etc.) for Ulgrax mythic? Going to do some tries today.

[haughty flicker]

hit boss until it dies is the general strat i think

[hidden herald]

Hold 2mins cds until adds are grouped

[cyan dew]

ty

[proven current]

better to upgrade my crafts with rune crests or upgrade other items? whats the priority?

[runic hinge]

Main hand then trinkets usually

[wraith rover]

when you vanish to refresh improved garrote, is it worth ambushing to reapply a fresh deathstalkers mark?

or as long as it's up, doesnt really matter

[fleet pagoda]

only if you need to switch the target, shouldn't matter besides

[mortal crystal]

How's assassination considered in keys atm? I feel like I'm blasting when getting a group but very few of the ones I apply to/scan in LFG have any rogues at all in them

[slim pebble]

I’m topping dps for the keys I do get in

[fleet pagoda]

it's fine. big aoe, ok st

still good prio slammin with kb

[slim pebble]

We’ve come along way since assa was only a boss killer lol

[fleet pagoda]

amen. how the turn tables

[mortal crystal]

It's fun, engaging, and the dmg is great. Good spot atm

[rain mortar]

in warcraft logs what is SBS listed as for dmg? I am looking at a few logs and I dont see SBS anywhere but it is talented for them

[runic hinge]

Probably under rupture

[rain mortar]

im messing around on broodtwister and thinking of dropping SBS and IP to get to CT

[runic hinge]

I think most people are dropping VV for it

If you’re playing the 2/2 vv no imp garrote DS talents

[rain mortar]

other people seem to drop AP from what ive seen but id rather drop SBS over AP

im thinking of trying this, i mean i dont really care if it sucks just messing around honestly

[bright turret]

dont forget caustic

[rain mortar]

wiuth caustic

yeah

[bright turret]

VV is such a weak talent so its easy to drop for CT

[gritty laurel]

i don't think anyone answered, it's because your rupture uptime was 78% on a fight where it should've been approaching 100%. you're slamming envenoms when you should be refreshing rupture during pandemic window is what it's trying to tell you

[runic hinge]

Can you drop imp garrote for sbs?

[rain mortar]

yeah ic an try that

[eager tree]

fucking wild how hard it is to get invited to even a 7 grim batol. 2300 (which i know isnt incredible) and have an 8 timed and everyone declines

[runic hinge]

Would have to drop shrouded too

[rain mortar]

i could just play the regular build with CS and its probably better but meh

[normal mist]

thats what i did

[mortal crystal]

I joined a Siege key an hour ago. Was the first invitee, and the amount of sign ups was just... You could scroll, and scroll, and scroll

[eager tree]

yeah trying to snipe new queues

[mortal crystal]

I hate it, but I've leveled my own key now. Re-rolling it each run I get into to get Mists/Ara/Dawn

[eager tree]

my key wont give me grim batol either lol so sad

[modest gale]

whats in dawn

[mortal crystal]

An easy key to time to level it to 10 🙂

[north drum]

How does Caustic Splatter work with enemies that have huge hitboxes like Bloodbound Horror? If you're hitting him does its area extend from his hitbox and cover a much larger area than usual?

[balmy condor]

The center

[north drum]

Alright

Thank you!

[balmy condor]

That’s why it doesn’t do shit on rasha’nan

For most people

[dusty crescent]

i tried my best on necrotic is the spatter good or am i cooked?

[balmy condor]

Looks good

[pastel seal]

When the trashpack has Crimson Tempest debuff, do you keep spamming Crimson, or do you envenom?

[balmy condor]

What

CT is a dot

Why would you spam it

[dusty crescent]

?

i don't spam it lol

[half wasp]

[dusty crescent]

i don't have infinite combo points

[pastel seal]

Shouldn't but Enven seems a bit low overall maybe?

[royal cloak]

its the spatter not the envenom

[balmy condor]

No?

[weary juniper]

and for what i know, is always when the duration is under 6s

[gentle rover]

What's the cheap food we can buy for M+? the sushi special out of my price range lol

[balmy condor]

Envenom looks fine

[cerulean walrus]

Just try it flashbacks

[dusty crescent]

there you go

[dusty crescent]

i appreciate that Whispyr, thanks bigdog

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935989994735169546/1023888917528854568/caption.gif

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/vodka-two-shots-of-gif-14422463

[cerulean walrus]

Only two?

[dusty crescent]

she's going through stuf

i'm running hardcleave build rn

in my mythics

it simmed best in dcleave sims, iono

hey

Whispyr, what's your go to for M+ are you running your wowhead hard cleave? Or bleedspec?

[balmy condor]

No problem, sadly Ray Lewis was ravens, and ravens are the wrong harbaugh brother, go niners

[dusty crescent]

It's cuz he stabbed people

that's why i named this rogue this lol

[balmy condor]

Well

[dusty crescent]

i'm a raiders fan baby

[balmy condor]

He did that too

[balmy condor]

Oh god even worse

[dusty crescent]

I'm permanently depressed

be nice to me

[balmy condor]

It’s okay, so was the rest of the Bay Area whenever Oakland reminds people they have a sports team

[dusty crescent]

truf

[balmy condor]

Thank god they left

[dusty crescent]

but yeah, idk bleed build seems to not do as much as hardcleave so idk

[balmy condor]

Now it’s just having to hear hipsters say the A’s are better than the giants

[balmy condor]

Hybrid everywhere always

[ember mural]

@spice spire come get your brethren

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that king

21 years of this shit

[balmy condor]

Seeing quake hype up a mortal rivalry between raiders and chargers as if it isn’t the literal gutter trash shit game he probably has to pay extra to see because no TV station would ever want to show it to the public

Pain

[spice spire]

It was on local tv bud

Get fucking woke

Honestly that didn’t bother me

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

Getting fucking slammed by the panthers

Actually put me on watch

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor hows prog

[balmy condor]

Just wait till a 40 year old Aaron “Percocet” Rodgers absolute steamrolls you with eyes so big they can be used as a telescope

[balmy condor]

Idk rasha’nan tonight and then

[ebon notch]

rashanan is fun

[subtle tundra]

woah not gonna try the broodie?

[spice spire]

Think it’s ayahuasca bud

[subtle tundra]

heard its fun

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah we’ll try it but I ain’t paying attention

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt know

[cerulean walrus]

Gotta love the ayahuasca

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra you not playing?

[subtle tundra]

i am but im benched

whatever

[strange python]

@balmy condor hey what is best 4pc with one 636 craft for mythic plus player?

[subtle tundra]

i hope ill be told to play sub

so i can say i wont

[ebon notch]

wow players are so dysfunctional

[subtle tundra]

not gonna go into it

[earnest remnant]

i just want to get transmitter so i can play sub

[subtle tundra]

actually hope ill be benched on every boss, even better

farmed everything from m+

[balmy condor]

The first 4 you get

[waxen oyster]

ngl

doing double rogue with this seasonal affix

is so scuffed

[haughty flicker]

shouldve been belf

unlucky

[lethal arrow]

being belf finally pays off

[frosty gyro]

I feel like they just need to buff the blind aoe talent to have a way bigger aoe so it actually functions for the affix

[lethal arrow]

it does function for the affix

just gotta aim it properly

[frosty gyro]

yeah but not effectively as far as I can tell

because the aoe is so small

[lethal arrow]

(please make it so i can use it on the orbs)

[gritty laurel]

would be nice if they made it an aoe that doesn't depend on the target being alive when the initial blind resolves

[frosty gyro]

Or is it because they are yellow mobs?

[gritty laurel]

it's because jank code

[lethal arrow]

yeah just make it like distract

its cuz if u blind a mob

*orb

[frosty gyro]

oh that's what it is? The blind kills your target before it can aoe?

[lethal arrow]

it dies instantly

yeah

[fleet pagoda]

vanish to sap spam orbs

[frosty gyro]

ohhhh

[lethal arrow]

so itt cant aoe

[frosty gyro]

so I just need to blind non-orb mobs?

[modest gale]

3rd boss gb, do u kill adds?

[frosty gyro]

Is the aoe big enough to hit a lot of orbs?

[lethal arrow]

if u use blind on the non orb itll slam a decent sized aoe around it

[frosty gyro]

ok that's good

[lethal arrow]

usually gets at least half the orbs

[fleet pagoda]

yah. can't let adds reach their fixate target or they esplode and do much damage to group

[frosty gyro]

I've felt like I'm totally useless on the orbs so far

[lethal arrow]

blind/belf is op combo

[gritty laurel]

orb strat is to blind powder an actual mob then kick a straggler if needed

[waxen oyster]

you are useless

[barren yarrow]

i have question, a noob one. On the wowhead guide it says "Proceed onto the normal priority list" after the rotation bit is finished. What is the normal prio list mean?

[waxen oyster]

the key is to run with a leather tank

who you can trade loot with

and who can do affix

[runic hinge]

No

[lethal arrow]

maintain garrote/rupture, envenom at 5+ cp, envenom at max cp if ur running deathstalker

shiv into kingsbane on cd

[hardy prairie]

if i want to only play sin in m+ should i sim my character based on patchwerk or dungeonslice?

[lethal arrow]

maintain envenom buff

[waxen oyster]

We’re probs the only melee now

without 2+ aoe stops

[barren yarrow]

ahhh i see so the "normal CD window without deathstalker"

[lethal arrow]

yeah just upkeep the dots and envenom

[barren yarrow]

i mean deathmark

[dusty crescent]

so unbearable to pug

[barren yarrow]

ok awesome, thanks crash

[waxen oyster]

rogue cc cant get too crazy though

due to pvp pauls

[dusty crescent]

just let me blind orbs without needing a proper target pls

[barren yarrow]

does pooling still exsist?

im guessing it does

[spice spire]

Yes

[frosty gyro]

delete pooling, give envenom 100% pandemic

[proven current]

has anyone made a cast sequence macro opener?

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor

[frosty gyro]

Are shadow technique procs predictable enough to do a castsequence?

[balmy condor]

no clue

but seal fate isn't

:)

[frosty gyro]

Reprimand too

[earnest remnant]

you could in theory do it up until the shiv into kb

by forcing 1x mutilate

but i would never recommend doing that shit

[uneven plume]

What’s a pandemic

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[haughty flicker]

oh you mean in game

[uneven plume]

I see

[balmy condor]

they already forgor

[cerulean nest]

so in CDs were using vanish during DN to reset stacks, rather than using it during garrote pandemic to refresh?

[waxen oyster]

eating bats

[haughty flicker]

ozzy?

https://tenor.com/view/ozzy-osbourne-old-bye-goodbye-gif-12928889845528616286

why is whispyr playing warlock

[frosty gyro]

I think that's what you're supposed to do but it says in pins that it's bugged so that doesn't work atm

If you have DN you can't consume stacks so vanishing to apply stacks when you have DN doesn't do anything

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[frosty gyro]

I also feel like I lose track of whether I have DN or what enemy has stacks a lot, idk what other people do to fix that

[keen spruce]

Bats are tasty. They’re like the chinchilla of the sky

[barren charm]

Hey yall, decided to main rogue this expac. I'm doing fine in M+, but raid seems to just suck for me dmg wise. Is that an assassination thing, or do I have a disconnect somewhere?

[frosty gyro]

Probably gonna be relative to your raid group, Sin is one of the weaker singletarget specs though

But it does good AOE/Cleave fights like broodtwister and council

[barren charm]

I have noticed that. Right now my group is stuck on Silken court, so thats where ive been watching myself on the meters

[timid vale]

logs

[waxen oyster]

There’s only 2 st bosses this tier

[cyan dew]

Cloak works on ulgrax pull?

[frosty gyro]

I mean there's only 2 ST bosses but most bosses are majority ST or have adds that you can't really take advantage of multidot/caustic on very well

If impending doom was just an inherent passive and spatter aoe was from edge of hitbox it would probably be very different

[cerulean nest]

can someone tldr the flensing knives thing?

im not privvy

[dry pendant]

Hey, how do you handle the orb affix? I don’t know if aoe blind works on those

[novel star]

fuckin my bad man

[carmine tartan]

You dont do anything, aoe blind doesnt work nor does indescrimate carnage garrote

[novel star]

aoe blind does work if you blind a mob/boss

and it cleaves

[dry pendant]

Does it removes dots? Especially from my teammates?

[carmine tartan]

feels bad to blind one target though 😛

[limber lion]

No he's saying that it does the AoE blind if you blind a mob and not an orb

[carmine tartan]

yes I know

[limber lion]

Orb blind is single and bugged, but blindinh a mob will clear the orbs

Lol okay

[dry pendant]

Okay thanks

[frosty gyro]

Apparently the issue is that the way the blind works is that it blinds ytour target, and then aoe blinds the mobs around your target. But with the orbs blinding your target kills your target, and then there's nothing to aoe around.

[arctic cove]

hey guys, for simming dungeons, do i pick dungeon slice - 1 bboss?

[kindred elm]

Best use is to juice your CT is what I found 😂

[cyan dew]

cloak or evasion works on ulgrax pull?

[real pike]

holy shit my mind is blown

I thought the range was just tiny or something

[winged basin]

is there a community disc for finding key groups? I am actually losing my mind trying to find a group to run with.

[real pike]

or I just suck

[long pier]

what's a reasonable fee to recraft 619 dagger to 636?

[hardy prairie]

!poisons

what poisons does sin use in m+?

[spice surge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[novel star]

same as anywhere else

[hardy prairie]

o ty

[novel star]

[hardy prairie]

i dont play sin so idk what is used anywhere lolol

[novel star]

ah fair

[crude nymph]

hey yall what set piece are we dropping?

or are we actually wearing all 5

[spice surge]

Whatever offpiece you have thats higher ilvl

[tropic cedar]

do affix orbs affect CT damage?

like will hitting them make it cause more dam to actual targets?

[floral solstice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[young dust]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[vague flare]

hey guys i just boosted a rogue and havent played one since outlaw in bfa - can someone help me reduce the nameplate clutter and tell me what debuffs i should actually track on nameplates for assa? there's currently like 15 things popping up above every nameplate and it's a headache

[cobalt sphinx]

What damage sources are spattered? Like which skills? Kb and weapon poisons.. and poison bomb?

Plague damage?

[runic hinge]

Ye

[spice surge]

Pretty much all nature damage

And plague damage (which is effectively nature)

[thin gate]

singular focus from deathstalker tree works with caustic, right?
so cleaving with caustic results in 5% of that cleave damage being redirected to ur main target?

[crude anvil]

if Im not running 2 shiv charges do I shiv after DM or do I wait for the end of kingsbane?

[runic hinge]

Last 8 seconds of kb

[crude anvil]

ty

[neat pier]

can a tier peice drop in the vault from the non raid row?

so if i do only m+ that week, can i get atier peice?

[drifting cloud]

yes you can

[neat pier]

oke

ty friendo0

i think the poison ringed ropepd in my vault in the raid row but im a pve noob

and i took treacherous transmitter lols

thats p bad huh?

[runic hinge]

Transmitter is crazy

Not very fun

[slate crown]

Really I only look for Rupture and Garrote. You can also track Kingsbane so you can find it in the crowd, and some people like to track deadly poison so they know which mobs can have caustic applied. But the 2 most important are Rupture and Garrote.

When you pop cooldowns keep in mind Rupture/Garrote get duplicated with the same name on the auras, so you'll need to filter by Spell Id not spell name

[runic hinge]

Spawns in bad

[neat pier]

how good is poison ring off queen

[runic hinge]

Very good

[violet sonnet]

@neat pier biggest upgrade you can get probably.

[neat pier]

kk ty

im reformed pvp rogue.. pve is so much healtheir lol

[violet sonnet]

@neat pier wait until you get into higher keys.. you will get the same toxic people xD

[real granite]

guys, do you have any trick to spread gars and rups when the pull is stacked? i mean, to not overlap them

or just git good with pos?

[neat pier]

na i play with friends or non toxics

no time for a bad time

[gloomy otter]

do i wanna use fan of knives on 2 targets? or only 3+

[proud pelican]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[prisma tundra]

how does that spreadsheet actually work tho

what am i supposed to do with it

[balmy condor]

look at the shiny numbers

[cerulean burrow]

what is the ability that is making it so i get back combo points when i use rupture ? i cant figure out what that is...

[strong wing]

New serrated bone spikes

[prisma tundra]

also why is everyone playing ass rogue for m+ if outlaw is simming higher in both single and dungeon slice

[cerulean burrow]

i think its because they have higher burst damage profile?

[strong wing]

Assa big aoe uncapped dmg, prio dmg, and better profile

[cerulean burrow]

if stuff survives logner in higher keys assa is better i think ?

i may be wrong

[strong wing]

And silence

And not so punishing while doing friendly melee mechanics

[amber brook]

Question, am I supposed to have full CP if I double garrote with bone spikes? ( Latter part after applying rupture twice)

[balmy condor]

each gar would be 3cp

[amber brook]

Or just crimson tempest with whatev combo points am at

[balmy condor]

so gar gar rup is 3 6 -> rup

bone spike procs

you get back up to 6

rupture again

then gar gar is 3 6

and you CT

[amber brook]

i always end at 4

could ping be an issue?

[vast finch]

Does rare ring from ansurek procs more often cause of envenom buff?

[prisma tundra]

no ping wont affect the amount of combo points the game gives you for casting a spell ^^

[amber brook]

i feel like i never make it in time for the last garrote

[cerulean burrow]

so i noticed when im not in combat away from target dummies .... damage is just being taken off of them forever....... is that from the serated bone spikes ?

and if so do we have to initially attack them ? to apply that or does it get onto them simply by targeting ? im confused

[balmy condor]

yes

it's an infinite dot

with no timer

[slate crown]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

so you have to run really far away

[cerulean burrow]

oh wow so like.... im testing it now and im having trouble figuring out what applies that ? to the ttarget ? just attacking it .... i know in the description of it in the talents it says it does it after 30 seconds ? but i just attacked a dummy and waited 30 seconds and it didnt pop up on it si un confused

[balmy condor]

what talent?

bone spike?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[sudden phoenix]

In aoe is the prio rupture and garrote on All targets or just 5?

[balmy condor]

rupture spends a stack to embed a bone spike in its target

[vast finch]

So any answer?

[cerulean burrow]

hmmm im having trouble comprehending let me read it again

should i have a weak aura showing me my serated bone spine stacks accumlated?

also do we keep track of spatter ina weak auro too ?

[slate crown]

You don't really need it, the only gameplay it provides is combo point refunds, and if you're fine with reacting to that when it happens, that's fine

(For bone spike)

If you like knowing if your next rupture will refund, you can track bonespike

[inner swift]

aint muti for caustic before ct better?

[slate crown]

Spatter you definitely need to track because it won't automatically apply

[cerulean burrow]

i made a weak aura for it but its not showing up..... when its active or maybe i just has never been active yet idk

[slate crown]

Do you have it set to Show Always?

[cerulean burrow]

let me switch it and see if that works

[slate crown]

I should know this but what is a Cursed enchant and is there a reason to call it out as a particular category of enchant? I get that it reduces one stat and gives another stat, but what's significant about it being cursed otherwise, can you only use one of them?

[cerulean burrow]

yeah and it always shows grey even when i apply it to other targets with mutilate

i just selected a premade aura

[slate crown]

The premade options should give you enough to track it

but

[cerulean burrow]

i just went to premade

debuffs

[slate crown]

!wa If you want examples, you can look at one of these packs as well.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

This is my caustic trigger

[inner swift]

cursed one gives +390 of the said stat right?

[cerulean burrow]

ok

[slate crown]

And caustic conditions

[cerulean burrow]

ok

[slate crown]

Yes

[cerulean burrow]

ill mess with it again

[silent stratus]

optimal way to use vanish in ST? during deathmark to reapply improved garrote?

[cerulean burrow]

maybe ill just copy your conditions

because i like the default look of the premade one

[slate crown]

Well don't just blindly copy them

Because the display elements (like glow 1) may not be there

but yeah

[cerulean burrow]

i dont like most peoples custom auras

im weird lol

[slate crown]

I mean

That's why I made a pack

[cerulean burrow]

imuh check it out

[balmy condor]

why?

[slate crown]

I'm saying you can make your own and that's fine

[balmy condor]

gar gar rup rup gar gar ct

where are you muting

[cerulean burrow]

ill look at yours 😄

[inner swift]

radiant one gives 315 but it wont take away any of the others , i feel like it should be uniqe equiped

[slate crown]

Well yeah that's kind of my question

But it sounds like it's just a sim angle or w/e so that's fine

[zinc willow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

Didn't know if it was like a stronger enchant but was unique and that's why it's a special category

[inner swift]

nah you right , i was muting after the second double garr to get caustic before ct but ill do ct first i guess

[inner swift]

75 secondary stat dont feel like that strong really XD

[slate crown]

Also I should know this but what exactly is meant by gem color? If I use a Crit/Mastery gem, does that count as both a ruby and an onyx for 2 unique colors? Or does it only count as the color of the primary gem?

[slate crown]

Not gonna lie, I didn't even read the numbers

[balmy condor]

In smaller aoe you can def replace one of the garrotes with a mut yeh

[static glacier]

have you guys ever watched ele gameplay atm

[inner swift]

like on 9s everything dies with 1 bladestorm so really not enough time to put garrote again unless the mobs are casters so rather do muti then a 3 point ct for a bit of damage

[static glacier]

watched my co-dps in our key group stream and actually laughed at him pressing lightning bolt 9x in a row and doing more st dps than we do on a dungeon boss

[waxen oyster]

Yeah uhh

rare pirate W is to tricks the warrior in your group

to get more pad

[inner swift]

XD

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel horizon]

does anyone know if the "Delver's Bounty" expire after reset?

[hardy prairie]

is the purpose of double garrote instead of a mut purely for the extra cp?

[static glacier]

it's to spread gar since you have multiple targets

[waxen oyster]

If you're talking the delve

map

no it doesnt go away

[inner swift]

and extend the duration of improved garrote

[novel horizon]

kk sweet, so i can save it xD

[hardy prairie]

if its fully spread off the first gar do you mut before rupture?

[waxen oyster]

you'll be like me

get a piece you have tier in thats higher ilvl

[static glacier]

yes, personally i do that then gar once more right before ic expires

instead of going gar > gar

[waxen oyster]

only my alt is allowed to get good delve map gear

[static glacier]

but this is 3 or less situation only

[waxen oyster]

hero wep on a char that was 590

[inner swift]

this is pack related

like in GB the 3 pull before boss you go garrote double rup for padding 😄

[hardy prairie]

right because otherwise you would gar gar for the full cp rup?

[static glacier]

thing is

you're going to have the same duration of gar if you gar gar or gar > mut > x x x x x > gar

so the 2nd is better since you overall get longer empowered gar

[static glacier]

ye, and the gar spread on more targets

[static glacier]

:^)

[lucid silo]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[hardy prairie]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cerulean burrow]

so let me get this straight.... if you apply rupture from stealth if you are specced into seratted bone spike it will use up all the charges of bone spikes you have on up to three of those targets ? and then if you use rupture on a target that already has serated bone spike after that even if its agter vanish during stealth window it will only use 1 charge right ? and you would be primairly using it to reapply rupture and for the combo point refund at that point ?

[slate crown]

Every application of rupture will consume a charge of you have available. If you have 3 charges available, and you apply 3 ruptures at once because of Carnage, it will use up 3 charges at once, once per target.

If you only have 1 charge available, even with Carnage, it will only send one of them as you only have one available.

[cerulean burrow]

carnage.... let me look that up

[slate crown]

It's the thing that is letting Rupture cleave out of stealth

[cerulean burrow]

hmm.... is there a weak auro to track that too ? kinda like with subterfuge window out of stealth for outlaw ?

and is it worth it to track that to play optimally as assa?

[inner swift]

thanks to le there is one that is actually my fave:D

[cunning needle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

The answer to the question "is there a weakaura" is almost always yes, whether it's important to track is a separate question.

In this case, I'd argue this is a moderately useful thing to track

[cerulean burrow]

and with that in mind..... my next question is.... are there assa players who use mouse over macros for applying ruptures and garrotes? or do they mostly tab target?

[slate crown]

It's not necessarily 100% essential, but it is good to have

[slate crown]

Yes, to both, it's probably a healthy mix some only tab, some use mouseover

[inner swift]

you sayin that 0.1 sec improved garrote aint essential? come now:P

[cerulean burrow]

im probs going to want to track everything

[slate crown]

Personally I use this setting so literally every cast I do prioritizes mouseover, then target. Which takes some time to get used to and isn't the most common but it's what I do

[cerulean burrow]

thats how i got good at outlaw so ..... im just going to do the same with assa lmao

still cant make a stand alone tracker for spatter 😦 i looked at your auras as well and i coudl not find a stand alone one unless im blind and i missed it

im not so good at makign custom packs.... yet so i usually use stand alone ones and move them where i want

[inner swift]

i took LE's ui, then just dragged his caustic out and put it into my ui

something like this

[slate crown]

I'm saying you can open one of the packs linked (it doesn't have to be mine) and open it up and find where Caustic is defined. Mine is in the Assassination Core group. Then drag it out of the pack and delete the rest of the pack.

[cerulean burrow]

i could see my self using somethign like that but i would wanna swap the postions of the cooldowns on the bar

[slate crown]

Or just lookat it and study it and copy/replicate its logic in your own aura

[spare spoke]

so uh wax doesn't scale down for black temple

so you just delete the whole raid with it

[runic hinge]

And pull aggro and die in my experience

[cerulean burrow]

ive never done that before let me go ahead and try it

[slate crown]

You can in weakauras, those are controled by the order of the auras in the group. You can drag auras up and down within the group. Doing so will change the order on screen

[cerulean burrow]

i probs will mess it up lmao but ill give it a go

[cerulean burrow]

ok ill give it a go

[polar timber]

do we have a way to break webs on ovi besides cloak and vanish?

[hardy prairie]

do you guys prefer stacking or overlapping nameplates ?

[balmy condor]

stacking

100%

overlapping is insanely cringe

[echo cargo]

overlapping if you're a masochist

[cyan summit]

should i use

gilded crest

or wait for craft later?

[balmy condor]

like borderline sociopath behavior with overlap

how do you change targets

[balmy condor]

yes :)

[cyan summit]

isnt it better if i wait to craft something ?

[static glacier]

you don't

my class fantasy is I mark one guy and go kill him

[worldly nebula]

Would you guys know anything i could do to not get 5 fps during add spawns on ovinax? I have tried pretty much every addon or interface related thing there is. with an 7800x3d and an rx 6800 i should not get a literal slideshow with actual freeze frames, right?

this was also the case when I disabled my nameplates entirely

[balmy condor]

what are you waiting for

[static glacier]

do you have some turbocursed set of was or addons that are stressing ur cpu?

[worldly nebula]

no i tried even with pretty much all of it disabled

[static glacier]

i highly doubt ur being gpu bottlenecked if you have a rx 6800

this might be a cooked question, when did you build your machine?

[worldly nebula]

not that long ago, and also windows clean install is less than a year ago i think

i can check when i bought my stuff

[static glacier]

did you remove the sticker from the 7800x3d's cpu cooler when you attatched and thermal pasted it?

[worldly nebula]

july 2023

i checked temps

and i have an aio

Im not new to pcs

[static glacier]

im stumped then

[worldly nebula]

My only guess would be that my ram might be faulty or something

[static glacier]

anything else i'd say you likely already tried

[worldly nebula]

or its windows/software related

[static glacier]

people forget the low tech shit sometimes

[worldly nebula]

in the fight im sitting at like 80 fps which is fine

adds spawn, grips and then for like 5-10 seconds slideshow. Then back to normal

[severe sparrow]

youre def not like, using integrated graphics or something right?

[worldly nebula]

nope

got my usual 200+ fps outside of raid

[waxen oyster]

I have a feeling its plater

or raid wa

[worldly nebula]

i played with nameplates disabled using "v"

[severe sparrow]

i think they said it happens w all their shit turned off too

[worldly nebula]

does plater still "work"

?

[waxen oyster]

No i just assume a huge culprit of lag

is high amount of nameplates

tbh

[worldly nebula]

i thought so too

[severe sparrow]

nah hiding the nameplates should be ok, i had this problem when i had my old computer on that one fight in sanctum

[static glacier]

im running a 7800 x3d and 4070ti and its buttery smooth when the adds spawn even on ultra / all addons on

his specs are fine, there's some error or throttling

[waxen oyster]

honestly

you also get epic lag in 40man bgs

from my experience

[severe sparrow]

i assume you played with task manager open or something to see if anything is maxxing out?

[waxen oyster]

i just assume game is bad with alot of people being targeted

[worldly nebula]

it was all really low usage

[waxen oyster]

by effects all at once

[worldly nebula]

even gpu which kinda didnt make sense to me

i remember it being bad on tindral, but there the nameplate thing using plater mods fixed it

[long hawk]

Is it advisable to macro shiv with thistle tea and use shiv on cd?

Outside of cds

[balmy condor]

no

[tough gorge]

Never do that

[long hawk]

When’s the best time to use each of them outside of cds?

[tough gorge]

You dont

Use with cd

They amplify dmg.

[sonic schooner]

If You re playing without lightweight shiv You could pres shiv on CD kinda. I think

But macroing tea is à no go for sure

[tough gorge]

I typically save shiv for kb burst

[long hawk]

I’ve got lightweight shiv, so I should only use tea on cds and save a shiv for kb?

[unreal tide]

tea on CD not exactly the best either

[tough gorge]

Tea on CDs or if energy is slow and you need it to get going.

[worldly nebula]

Do you have addons cpu usage installed? Or if you dont, could you? I'd like to know what score you get on that, since you have the 7800x3d aswell

[tough gorge]

Shiv for kb windows is fine

[long hawk]

Oh I don’t mean like immediately it’s up, I mean during my deathmark and kb windows.

[unreal tide]

ahh okay good lol

[sonic schooner]

Then you keep both your shivs to cover kingsbane

And 1 tea on the 2nd shiv for mastery and energy

[long hawk]

Leads me to the next question I’m guessing I use kb immediately it’s up and I have shiv? Since by the time it’s back up deathmark will be up as well?

[past bobcat]

Does this look fine for Brood?

[keen spruce]

Generally yes

[balmy condor]

yeah but would drop CT if your raid is comfy with adds

[past bobcat]

taking just for now while we prog

will probs switch after the nerfs tomorrow

[frozen iris]

How much percentage is 4pc for sin ST? 3%

?

[severe sparrow]

i think it was that last time i looked

[worldly nebula]

my addons cpu usage is giving my cpu a score of 670. Doing a quick google people years ago already had a couple thousand. So there is something really wrong here right?

[severe sparrow]

i havent got a single token yet and i dont have any non shit pieces to catalyst so

a score of 670 on what

[worldly nebula]

baseline

like wow is using only 1 core or something

[severe sparrow]

oh wait how do you get to that

[crude trail]

Can the 616 vault gear from world activities(delves) be tier pieces? or only the raid rewards in the vault?

[worldly nebula]

i just installed the addon and opened it

then it said "calculating score"

[drifting cloud]

they can be tier

[hardy prairie]

do we not cast CT on single target bosses in m+?

[slate crown]

Generally no, we do not.

(Yes this is a minor optimization where you can cast it in ST if you have momentum of despair up but miss me with that shit I'm not adding an extra tracker for that)

[molten flicker]

any idea what current m+ talents are like?

[balmy condor]

hybrid

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[molten flicker]

ty

[balmy condor]

front page of wowhead has an import

[molten flicker]

I looked at the pins but the latest talent info there is from the 14th?

[balmy condor]

yeh that works too technically

that's just talking about the ER fix and the bug

but guides are updated for that as well

[arctic socket]

went for very cheap

[long hawk]

Hey Whispyr, you got any logs of yours you could lead me to that I could take a look at? For pure single target.

Or anyone for that matter with good logs.

[runic hinge]

You could get in remix for free

[arctic socket]

fair

[balmy condor]

would suggest just pulling up like mythic sikran logs or something

[arctic tusk]

ovinax got any special builds/talents or nah, i think whispyr you recommended something

[cyan dew]

Transmitter is still "bad" for us?

[runic hinge]

I think it’s probably fine but it’s kind a bitch to use on multiple bosses.

Also I’m in a 30 man raid and that shit can be hard af to find with 13 melee

[cyan dew]

hahaha, fair enough.

[runic hinge]

Pretty sure one boss I didn’t find it until like 6 seconds left in dm

Queen I had to go stand in some poison

But my priest loves me so I got a gs rq

[mint valve]

is it worth to maximizze the culminating blasphemite gem with different gems? or should you just use the crit mastery one?

[balmy condor]

it's like 0.2% for most people

pretty minimal but it is better

[mint valve]

using different kinds of gems is better?

[balmy condor]

yes

[mint valve]

thank you ❤️

[balmy condor]

would just sim it

[mint valve]

my sim says weird shit.. like use the ONLY crit gem.. LOL

i must have low crit or something

[balmy condor]

\

did you press the button

[mint valve]

let me check

[lucid silo]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[mint valve]

sorry where is that setting @balmy condor ?

im not seeing it

[balmy condor]

In top gear

In the gem comparison

[mint valve]

what does that mean?

i clicked all options

i just had to click another ring

and it worked

[balmy condor]

Means you selected the only 4 colors and then didn’t actually select 4 colors

Or that

[real granite]

Im trying to make a wa to call for restealths in /p for my premade party, so i can keep dc clean off of low importance calls and also be usable in pugs. Should track a lack of DS in combat, DN not active and vanish/meld more than 20s cd. Problem is, tracking DS on nameplates triggers the aura when the nameplate is not visible on screen, and multitarget using combatlog triggers randomly. Any better way to do it?

[runic hinge]

Yeah just don’t worry about restealths

[cunning needle]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[real granite]

dont !restealth me, i totally know it

[cunning needle]

get restealthed.

actually want no dont get restealthed

[real granite]

¬¬

[balmy condor]

Not sure a macro to annoy your party and slow down the key is a good move to succeed in your m+ runs

Good luck on that though gamer

[fallen moss]

so look at blood mallet sacbrood looks ok but with better options... but i see it so much. are sims just misleading??>

[balmy condor]

No, it just got nerfed

So now it’s close to bis but not fully auto-take

People farmed the shit out of it

[real granite]

not having DS nor a way to get it online soon cuz i lost it for whatever reason, its something, we're not talking about perma restealthing, we're talking about something that happens probably once or twice if any for each run

[barren yarrow]

So people starting off like me get flustered at all during raids? I mean I felt decent but I blew my rotation so many times lol.

[runic hinge]

Vanish

[real granite]

did you read the part tha says, vanish and meld not being available for more than 20s xD

[barren yarrow]

trying to just get better but remembering the rotation is hard for me :/

[real granite]

i should have not given context xD

[fleet pagoda]

what part of the rotation? cd windows? in between cd's?

[balmy condor]

No I did, but you just take the L for a pull and live with it

[dreamy parcel]

when do we get our next spark?

[balmy condor]

On reset

[slate crown]

Nobody learns by doing it perfect. Just keep going

[dreamy parcel]

ty!

[runic hinge]

Okay here’s what you do. If your tank is gonna chain. Just don’t go with them. Wait for the mobs to die and stay behind to drop combat. If you really fucked your mark with vanish a million years out

[real granite]

cant do that when you play with aug

[barren yarrow]

So I can do the opener fairly easily, but right after I KB I fog up and forget what todo so I end up use spamming rupture/garrote and envenom.

[runic hinge]

Idk. All this complaining about restealths and I basically don’t even vanish on cd cause my tanks don’t chain like that. Mob density isn’t even that crazy

[cunning needle]

relax youre fine mate

best advice is to hit dummies

then hit more dummies

then hit even more dummies

[fleet pagoda]

gotcha. hop on a dummy and focus on that segment then

[barren yarrow]

Hahaha yeah true that

[cunning needle]

that way you have it down to muscle memory

[barren yarrow]

I might just devote a whole week just at dummies to get it down

[cunning needle]

my mates one of the best mages in the world and he still hits dummies

if you have to think to do your rotation, chances are youre going to get hit by a mechanic

[barren yarrow]

so I really like the wowhead guide because it visualizes what you should be pressing

and I know it’ll help

but yeah I’ll be honest and say I haven’t hit dummies in months

[cunning needle]

ye

if you don't want to wait for the 2 minute cd

[barren yarrow]

so you’re 100% right on that

[cunning needle]

open up a notepad file instead

just hope you dont have any alt+f4 binds or something

ecks dee

[fleet pagoda]

you'll get it quick if you work on 'er, it's such a rigid set of priorities, easy peasy

[barren yarrow]

cool. Thanks guys/gals 🙂 much appreciated

[cunning needle]

no wokkas, go get that parse

[barren yarrow]

🙏🏼

[rotund oak]

a fine young man

if u are old that would make me older than xalatath

[raven egret]

young ones thinking they are old

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

Someone called me an “old theorycrafter” because I’ve been tc’ing since end of bfa

And I died inside

[raven egret]

Damn, doesn't take much does it!

[rotund oak]

[keen spruce]

Aren’t you in your 20s?

[coral ibex]

i guess if you remember EJ forums you're just 6 feet under by now (its me, i'm 6 feet under)

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

Whisp is a boomer fr fr ong

[balmy condor]

25 a couple months ago yes

[keen spruce]

Eggspyr

[fallen arch]

Ah good old Elitist Jerks

[keen spruce]

Young blud

[balmy condor]

No thats if I was a closeted trans person (I am not)

[keen spruce]

Ain’t even hatched yet

[rotund oak]

So young and full of hope

[keen spruce]

I don’t know trans lingo

[runic hinge]

Young bird

[novel star]

why spatter do dat :(

blissard ?

[raven egret]

So young!

[novel star]

explain

[fallen arch]

Is there such a thing as trans lingo

[keen spruce]

Cuz all of that shit below spatter

[balmy condor]

Green outlaw rogue

[novel star]

LMAO

[keen spruce]

Is what’s spattering

[novel star]

legit

its fucking not fair

i cant believe the talent is designed this way

[balmy condor]

Maybe 45% caustic with both hero talents buffing the shit out of envenom and adding more caustic damage

Was not a good move for the health of the spec

[keen spruce]

I think it wuz gud

[novel star]

im just afk brain full sending st the whole time and still top dam by 200k

on heroic even

[keen spruce]

But not great for future balance and spec changes

[novel star]

v_v

[keen spruce]

God for it they just make out dots do damage

[novel star]

prolly shouldnt be top if guild was sicker cus theres furies and shit in here but man

[keen spruce]

Forbid*

[runic hinge]

Maybe in the next rework

[quick condor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

outside UHDK and Aff lock

[runic hinge]

Feral goes back and forth from wanting their dots to do damage to all FB damage

[simple rivet]

is focusing lens okay on offhand? or dead

[misty kernel]

ANLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKI

[balmy condor]

If you’re multispeccing it can be okay

[misty kernel]

@balmy condor o/

[rotund oak]

yup feral as well,bleeds hurt

[balmy condor]

Hey zero

[gilded oasis]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[rotund oak]

Habibi rogue o/

[misty kernel]

@balmy condor can u pin this msg plz (guys play echo its better dont play double vanish) i just love to play with things does less damage

[gilded oasis]

[rotund oak]

[runic hinge]

[misty kernel]

[runic hinge]

Number one assa rogue with blue name

[rotund oak]

true

[iron tree]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[iron tree]

Does anyone have a good rogue stealth WA (makes being in/out stealth more obvious)

[raven egret]

if stealth, ambush lights up. I don't know what else to tell you XD

[gilded oasis]

yeah sec

[raven egret]

Cool pin

[humble ginkgo]

what off piece ddoes assa want

[gilded oasis]

cant message you but I have this at the top of my screen cause im smooth brain. Can move it. or change icon or whatever
https://pastecode.io/s/yxihoa0w

[neat pier]

zerocool i ran into you in deadlock. or was it a poser

[misty kernel]

nah i dont play deadlock its eat sleep wow repeat only

[spice spire]

Man lives for sin keys only

Bless

[misty kernel]

thats a lie 😄

[spice spire]

Fuck

[runic hinge]

I think chest but don’t quote me

[spice spire]

I’m caught

[neat pier]

word. also. i dont understand the pin cause im a pve noob. be nice. is echo better or am i 6 expansions behind in what the hell anyone is even saying

[spice spire]

[humble ginkgo]

at this point im boutta run 5 piece

[runic hinge]

I dropped a haste mastery chest so I’m running that

And the other 4 set pieces

[slate crown]

Damn I'm close to that too, just need 5 more and I'm there

[misty kernel]

just play echo build

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

It’s chest

[ashen scroll]

i tune back in and exile is on sin for silken court. massive W

[slate crown]

oh what

[coral vale]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[haughty flicker]

exile is a man of the people

playing sub and sin equally

[neat pier]

can anyone right up a quick few sentances on how to sim. i learn quick and have passion. just need a basis on the basics and then im off to he races

and hey, thanks

[daring hamlet]

sorry in advance for the flashbag... just curious is this directionally correct for a 10 dawnbreaker dmg breakdown?

[balmy condor]

Looks fine yeah

[runic hinge]

Looks sick. Did you blast

[daring hamlet]

uh was bout equal to the pala in our group whose a good player

think he was getting pi

ye he had pocket pi

[deft finch]

What’s a general idea of how long honor lvl 10 would take

[rotund oak]

raidbots=>top gear/droptimizer(those two u should only use).For food there are strings u add and sim whats best(Fuu has the specifics iirc).U should ignore stat weights,its just stupid,always sim different pieces individually.Idk what else u might want but plenty of ppl here to help 🙂

[daring hamlet]

man @balmy condor i was full moron mode way earlier in the week when I was swappin' to assa, i actually asked whether it was worth droppin iron wire for lightweight shiv LMFAO iron wire is completely busted

i hadn't really played much assa and jsut saw some people doin it, no idea why they are but that is quite literally the most dps-brain shit i think ive ever seen now that ive played assa a lil bit

[slate crown]

Assa seems like an odd choice for this boss

I guess it's more execute if you need it

[coral ibex]

wasnt exile on sub earlier? i wonder why the change

[rotund oak]

because execute obv

what else

thats sin's biggest strength

[haughty flicker]

they're also stopping damage to line up with cds

[coral ibex]

i'm not very knowledgeable

[haughty flicker]

so subs cd timings arent as valuable i guess

[calm nymph]

okay

im really confused

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qnqaBgm9aSZHX7e3Ese6Ai

my sim

[rotund oak]

dont worry fam,sin is also strong in 2target cleaving as well

[calm nymph]

actual

[balmy condor]

:3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community :3 yep I love m+ community

[ornate meteor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[calm nymph]

how am i 100k dps above my sim?