assassination

[haughty flicker]

so we need every map we can get lmao

[hearty plover]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[tough gorge]

just got the bottled flayedwing toxin trinket... but it does like no damage? why is it rated so high

[novel star]

even on normal spatter is just not real on ovinax

😭

why is this talent so fucking good

straight undeserved

[fleet pagoda]

pugging keys. 40-50m to get an invite week 1 is a good time

[runic hinge]

damn, how much are they lettinng you hit adds

[scarlet wyvern]

is anybody using Hekili? If so, can somebody help me optimize it more for assa?

[fleet pagoda]

the secret is to tricks the first set of spiders to the fury warriors

[runic hinge]

it's bad for rogues

[quick echo]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[runic hinge]

the fury warriors were nowhere on my details

[novel star]

[celest helm]

!ct

!ctst

!3%

[worldly nebula]

What exactly is the insanity here?

[runic hinge]

this is no pad

[cinder bone]

Only use Hekili for outlaw. Sin is pretty easy once you get the opener down and learn your timings in m+

[ashen rover]

It's all 1 guy

[scarlet wyvern]

i mean i always do minimum 1.2-1.4 million dps overall but i was wondering if i could fine tune it even more
I noticed it suggests to apply bleeds and garrote a bit too early before expiration, couldnt find the setting to change it^^

[shut oak]

Which key level would you say is equal to a tier 8 delve in terms of difficulty?

[celest helm]

mythic 0

[static glacier]

if someone told me a few years back sin was going to be a premier dungeon spec with exceptional aoe but weak st i'd have laughed

[celest helm]

i was just saying this recently to someone lmao

[static glacier]

it's wild how far we've come

[scarlet wyvern]

imo assa best in ST and aoe atm

[celest helm]

thats just statistically not true tho

[novel star]

operation upgrade normal parses was almost a success

i have to fix something with ulgrax

[static glacier]

what specs do you play with? for the most part any decent spec will beat you consistently on dungeon bosses assuming equal gear / skill

[scarlet wyvern]

i see archon logs but whenever im in heroic pug raids i see myself on top of all rogues xD

[celest helm]

my raid team has 2 enhance and 2 fury warriors, i get no pad on the aoe fights 😦

[celest helm]

thats because pugs are dog

[static glacier]

im talking st in dungeons

in raid we're middle of the pack for st

[slate crown]

We slap aoe

this is true

[static glacier]

yeah, overall actually untouched

[slate crown]

but we are behind st

[static glacier]

as I say to my group, sin is a bit of a pad spec

we blow up aoe with or without cds, bring iron wire and all

but in terms of speeding up a key I think a spec with better st on bosses probably has us beat

[scarlet wyvern]

i would play sub but not sure this xpac , i used to be pure sub in shadowlands and df

[static glacier]

e.g I always beat our ele sham in overall by 100-300k but I swear he speeds the keys up more

[shut oak]

Lol seriously?

[celest helm]

yeah tier 8 delves arent meant to be challenging

[gentle apex]

Is there a way to track and play around fatebound?

Like holding DM until after you've flipped a couple coins

[ashen scroll]

understanding the rotation without relying on a rotation addon

[storm forum]

playing ds assa with default plater profile actually satisfies my itch so well

theres so much shit on the enemy health bars

and then i press DM and it just goes SHOOOMPH

[gentle apex]

A weak aura is going to help more than hekili, it's more about maintenance buff uptime and hekili doesn't track that stuff

Specifically you should have SnD, Garrote, Envenom, and Rupture up 100% of the time, refreshing bleeds before deathmark. If you give me a parse we can look at the rotation

[runic hinge]

no uwu in general tonight bestie?!

[storm forum]

UwU

[runic hinge]

UwU

[novel star]

no

you never change how u play bcs of coins

[lethal mortar]

can i just bind this skardyn trinket to my deathmark and call it a day

[novel star]

yep

[visual vault]

is there a way to apply deathmark without vanishing in between chain pulls or do we just ignore the capstone and just try to bleed everything until we can finally restealth?

[nocturne quail]

if your deathmark target dies then your next 7 point evis applies it

or ER empowered evis

[floral solstice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak tangle]

i need some roguely insights, what is the play for fights with adds or multiple targets, is it just a use your brain and dont max combo point finish if boss is about to dip? so you have that proc to send on an add?

or a spec fatebound angle

[gentle apex]

No, chain pulling fucks our damage, fatebound against pug tanks

[oak tangle]

doesn't add with the mark on it dying, give you a free proc?

[prisma tundra]

what are thoughts on other classes running trinkets that need them to chain pull

i think i saw both mage and blood dk bis requires constant combat

[visual vault]

the damage isnt that bad imo. i just feel sad when i don't get the giga envenom.

crimson tempest does a fuckton by itself

[visual vault]

ahh i missed this part. thanks for clarifying!

[ancient vigil]

Hello guys i search a mods for plater with color on combos point for each combos like 1 green 2 yellow 3 orange 4 whathever 5 red etc

[oak tangle]

that sounds overly confusing

[balmy condor]

Why would you recolor mobs for combo points

Like, all of them?

[visual vault]

just count the circles kek

[ancient vigil]

i want like threat plate but for plater each combos point on nameplate have a different color not all red

[oak tangle]

i have 2 colours for combo points, those that are 5 or more and those that arent

[ancient vigil]

yes i want his

this*

[oak tangle]

no on plater

that part i dont get

[ancient vigil]

bc sometime i envenom with 4 CP x)

[oak tangle]

i use evlui which has the combo points next to my hp

[ancient vigil]

yeah threat plate too but on plater i'm a newbies and i see nothing on wago io

[oak tangle]

unable to help you sir, unfortunately

[ancient vigil]

i have this actually and sometime i struggle and i use a finisher 4 CP not great for deathstalker x)

[shut oak]

anyone know how I can move all the DMB bars that pop up directly under my character?

DBM*

[gentle apex]

@shut oak try /dbm unlock

[shut oak]

perfect thanks

[covert ibex]

How much haste should I have for m+ I run sims and it says it's lowest prio but I have 4 percent and it feels terrible

[gentle apex]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[gentle apex]

@covert ibex you should have the energy during shiv windows to freecast but there is a downtime where you pool your energy you can't just spam envenom forever

[covert ibex]

Yeah I pool but just feels bad sometimes feels like forever just pooling

[gentle apex]

@covert ibex Rogues play a lot of PvP, you could try dropping some versatility for it

I find that downtime helps make sure I'm doing mechanics when cloak is down

[long void]

Anyone else in boss fights for mythic+ send the spare shiv+ tea that always seems to be available 30 seconds before next kingsbane window?

[gentle apex]

yep

[woven torrent]

alot of people go into cd's quite quick..

ambush rup rup gar gar rup mut env into cds and shift CT somewhere inside the middle of their burstwindow after 2 env or so. On puppets doing it like this, is a huge dps loss ..and i was wondering , is it the case because the packs still dont live long enough for a full setup? the gameplay i was watching at was mostly + 10 keys

[cunning needle]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[gentle apex]

That's meant to argue against taking the 2 vanish charges, carnage only works 6s after stealth

AoE rupture only works for 6s

[fleet pagoda]

might be trying to get CD's rolling asap or targeting prio over CT/overall. wouldn't worry too much about it. generally CT before caustic slammin is safe

[balmy condor]

No, that’s meant to argue against restealths

[real granite]

na, its a pro chaining argument

[shut oak]

my dps skyrockets from stealth compared to when people pull packs when i cant stealth, its a night and day difference

[real granite]

you cant make 4 people wait for your stealth anyway, you lose key overall time

[cunning needle]

^

[real granite]

gotta learn to carry ds and dn over the dung

[storm forum]

chain pulling is good as long as the pack you're dragging isn't <10%

[real granite]

also learn which bosses bug out your ds marks so you always have a spare vanish for it

valiona, siege captain, etc...

[storm forum]

if you can carry DoTs across for extra energy into a new pack it's great

[balmy condor]

You mean your dps skyrockets in details? Which only tracks in-combat time? And resets at the start of a pull?

[runic hinge]

People complain about chaining so much but tbh i get plenty of regular stealths off

[shut oak]

no being able to spread bleeds easily on 1 single target is just going to net a much larger dps than having to tab target around

[real granite]

details dps is not total key time/dps

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you spend many seconds between pulls

Dick in hand

Doing 0 dps

[shut oak]

is the DPS loss saving time? I wonder that

[runic hinge]

yes

LOL

[shut oak]

hahaha

[runic hinge]

it saves 4 other people time

only you are losing time

[shut oak]

its about my numbers OK man

[balmy condor]

Yes of course

[real granite]

do you really wonder if 4 ppl hitting aoe is worth your triple garrote xD

just keep scent up and hit that spatter hard

[runic hinge]

and you're barely losing dps, and you can also get like 14 vanishes in a key that goes to timer

[real granite]

and ct

[gentle apex]

it scratches an itch in my brain

[misty holly]

And the most time saved comes from bringing a different class who doesn't care about leaving combat at all. Like a warrior.

[shut oak]

what i really wonder is when we finish the key with 8 minutes left i think... "well why the hell couldnt we have waited for me to restealth for those 3 times"

[balmy condor]

The biggest dps gain you can ever get as any class, rogue or not, is simply being able to hit more targets, more often

[gentle apex]

|| does this mean invis pots are a dps M+ tool ||

[balmy condor]

If you’re not hitting things

You are not damaging

[oak tangle]

think of how many more keys you can do in a day, if you're saving 8 mins each time

[runic hinge]

i want to do less keys not more

[oak tangle]

if you can time a key 8 mins under time withotu restealthing, thats an argument against nto for

[shut oak]

We're talking about saving the 15 seconds to restealth 4-5 times per dungeon

[prisma tundra]

i agree that chain pulling seems best but how do you keep scent up without carnage? do you just manually rupture 5 mobs one at a time before starting to envenom stuff?

[runic hinge]

yes

[balmy condor]

You rupture the end of the pack to push you into the next pack

[oak tangle]

in saying all of this

[runic hinge]

multi-dotting is fun

[oak tangle]

< Night Elf dont care

[shut oak]

do people actually run that many keys in a day? That sounds like masochism of the highest degree

[real granite]

thats exactly what you do

but anyways you dont usually scent 5 mobs except in big pulls

[shut oak]

you tab target rupture like a peasant because they need to save 40 seconds

[real granite]

3 mobs and spatter spam is isually the play

[cunning needle]

i've done like 60 keys already and thats probably not even that degenerate

[shut oak]

hahaha dude are you insane

[cunning needle]

yes

im not okay

send help

[shut oak]

LOL

in mrs doubfire voice help is on the way!

[cunning needle]

last expac

[real granite]

oh you do care

[cunning needle]

my mate was at like 82 keys

[real granite]

nelf is so fucking bugged

[cunning needle]

in teh first week

[runic hinge]

on my friends list

a true degen

[cunning needle]

about 80% of them were ulduarman

[balmy condor]

There’s a couple friends I have pushing 80-90 keys this week

[shut oak]

but why?

[cunning needle]

yeah i sorta got all the gear i wanted

except for rings

and i just cant be fucked anymore

so just playing alts instead

[real granite]

easy to do when you dont wait 1h beetwen invites

[cunning needle]

and making a fdk

[real granite]

xD

[balmy condor]

Farming grim batol

[shut oak]

for trinket?

[real granite]

no, for fun

xDDD

[shut oak]

LOL

[cunning needle]

ecks deee

[real granite]

ofc its for trinket

[balmy condor]

They pushed up all their keys to 7’s and just spam them and reroll until they have grim batol

[shut oak]

grim butthole is terrible

[cunning needle]

it is very shit

update the fucking fire tornado models

please blizzard

[real granite]

i have a trick for you

75% contrast

[shut oak]

its weird this dungeon released in cata and it's still shit

[cunning needle]

oh?

[real granite]

no problem, thank me later

[cunning needle]

okay i will

[cunning needle]

old dungeons just suck in general

they werent designed to be a m+ dungeon

[shut oak]

i cant ever even get a bloody invite

[cunning needle]

make your own group

[real granite]

i also have a trick for you, lie in your resumee

[shut oak]

i told a guy "ill be fine I promise" and he said "your class is never fine" fml

[wise plume]

i just realized they bumbed carnage down to 2 targets

or was it always 2?

thought it used to be 3, i might be dreaming

[pulsar elk]

Hello, Do i apply my bleeds first then Slice and dice then caustic splat?

[cunning needle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cunning needle]

look at rotation guide

[runic hinge]

it's +2

[cunning needle]

but yeah

bleeds first

[shut oak]

do people actually pop an envenom before their deathmark + kingsbane? It feels awkward

[runic hinge]

yes

[wise plume]

yes

[real granite]

envenom uptime for cds phase

[shut oak]

so you ambush, garrote, rupture, slice and dice, echoing rep, then mut + envenom before deathmark?

[cunning needle]

it was already 75%

[wise plume]

i always fan of knives for clear the witness instead of mut

[shut oak]

on ST?

[hasty viper]

I think you mut if you have viscious talented, no?

[real granite]

mut to get spatter online and every 10 s

[shut oak]

just 1 mut or do you do a full envenom?

[wise plume]

yeah

[runic hinge]

Need at least a 5 point to cover dm>shiv>kb

[shut oak]

kk

[real granite]

also play with the camera a bit isometric so the texture's transparency stack with itself and its just a red point

[shut oak]

how come wowhead said it might be a dps loss to do an envenom?

[runic hinge]

if you need to get cd's up 2 gcd's faster

[hasty viper]

I think it only says on AOE that it's optimal but the mobs may die if you do it?

,,Envenom before cooldowns here is optimal in theory but often a loss in practice due to delaying cooldowns"

In ST it doesn't matter

And in M+ on higher keys you might still get both envenom and full cooldown uptime

[lunar roost]

a question in a big pull aoe which is better, use envenom or crimson tempest spam ?

[real granite]

CT does not have instant damage anymore, its just a dot

[wise plume]

you dont spam ct

pop it once when adds r grouped and spam venom

[real granite]

keep ct up and spam envenom aoe through spatter

[lunar roost]

spam venom

thanks

[wise plume]

we like big green pools

[sterile violet]

what about ST do u like that as well

[wise plume]

no cause those big green pools hurt a bit

[sterile violet]

ofc u dont cuz it doesnt exist

[wise plume]

huh

[sterile violet]

u have no single target damage

[wise plume]

am i missing something here

[south lava]

Do we use tea for mastery buff in aoe even if we dont need energy?

[sterile violet]

whats the highest damage u did in the new heroic raid

[wise plume]

if it's a big pull with some decent hp adds, ill pop dm+kb and use a tea

[real granite]

if you have 3 stacks, almost always

but dont waste your last stack for a big pull if a boss is close

except you need to carry the dmg, otherwise, try to not waste the tea's energy

i always make sure i have min 1 tea stack for the dm phase on bosses

[balmy condor]

Dude just came in shootin for no reason

Very strange

[wise plume]

REAL

confused as hell

[balmy condor]

Never answer m+ questions again without linking your heroic single target damage bro

[wise plume]

[earnest timber]

SBS vs Lightweight in M+ thoughts?

[balmy condor]

Yeah so sbs is good

And lightweight isn’t

[bright turret]

wild world how sin became the AoE spec for mythic worm

[earnest timber]

Shoot

[balmy condor]

Yeah turns out caustic is just way too fucking strong

[wise plume]

lightweight is cheeks

[earnest timber]

Just feels weird not having 2 Shivs for KB window.

But I understand the CP generation from SBS is really good.

[balmy condor]

Yeah but realistically the only thing you’re buffing is your weaker half of your CDs, no caustic no cp no bleed no nothing

[wise plume]

i think the bleed build takes lightweight, but the hybrid build kinda just smokes it

[pulsar elk]

so in m+ its good to ambush before spreading bleeds out of stealth

[runic hinge]

i think if we see tuning we see some nerfs to that because it's so hard to buff our ST without buffing our aoe too

if we see tuning at all

[earnest timber]

we've noticed arcane mage & fury warrior are overperforming...so we're going to be nerfing Sin rogue

[runic hinge]

I would think they just tune down caustic % and buff other stuff

[bright turret]

caustic is perfectly balanced, lets not say things we can't take back

[wise plume]

yea caustic is perfectly fine

[bright turret]

losing 3% ST for massive AoE gain is reasonable

[runic hinge]

I mean if they even tune us

[wise plume]

(kinda crazy seeing caustic as my 2nd highest damage ability in a +6)

[runic hinge]

and wanted our ST a bit higher

[bright turret]

rogue overall is mid and lower this season, so not much to really tune

[shut oak]

do you guys switch to the ST spec for bosses in M+?

[bright turret]

caustic is just out of line (for rogues only)

[wise plume]

huh??

[blazing jewel]

That’s better than what sin had before caustic drop 99% st for 50% aoe

[shut oak]

the ST raid spec

[haughty flicker]

zoning out to swap talents mid key doesnt really start happening until very high push keys

and even then it isnt super common

[shut oak]

oh

[haughty flicker]

you have to have a really good reason to do it

[wise plume]

i mean if the key is scorched beyond belief, ill run out and switch to single

but other than that, i'm in hybrid 24/7

[haughty flicker]

well ye if the key is just bricked anyway too

anything to just kill the boss lmao

[bright turret]

You also barely lose negligible ST grabbing CT, it's no caustic but its honest AoE

[wise plume]

yeah it's honestly not a huge difference, but whatever extra damage I can pump out to get me out of that key faster ill do it

[real granite]

im starting to hate augs

[hard river]

based real and true

[real granite]

they are usually dead weight for mid keys

but all ppl wants them

cause potato

[wise plume]

i took an aug for a +8 necrotic not thinking abt last boss

[slate crown]

🥔

[haughty flicker]

meanwhile im trying to get into pugs as dev instead of aug

going to go back to queueing as aug and swapping in cd

[real granite]

i depd a nw 10 third boss

enh and me doing 1'3m

aug bing chilling 300k

we dep'd and he says

i can go deva

[wise plume]

yeah in that +8, he unfortunately went down first and didnt make it back up LMAO

[real granite]

[spice spire]

Rare solo appearance

[hard river]

[vapid jacinth]

why is 619 spyglass simming lower than 619 sac when spyglass is listed as bis? i saw the pin and sac is s tier and spyglass is a so just confused. are sims updated to reflect the sac nerf?

[marsh dragon]

are we supposed to craft weapons with spark? or do we do wtv is lowest non tier piece slots? whats the situation?

[next geyser]

Been practicing and made some improvements since last week. Thanks again for reviewing my logs ❤️

[runic hinge]

bis is only bis if you have every single piece of gear at max ilvl

all depends on your personal stats

[spark pulsar]

Hi, I got super troubles with keeping my energy lvl consistent, I’m trying to refill it with tea and garrote and the other one but I seem to mistime it or something to the level I’m stuck doing auto, any suggestions what I can improve there?

[slate crown]

To quote a former green name

why say more words when less

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[runic hinge]

I typed way less words than moroes

[slate crown]

This is true

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[vapid jacinth]

i appreciate it, and that makes sense. i guess i was just shocked the crit wasn't better in aoe considering all the fan of knives interactions. dawnthread lining probably diminishes the value a bit as well and the primary stat must be crazy good... i just didn't wanna have egg sacs on me anymore guys sue me

[runic hinge]

Deathstalker also devalues crit as well because of the guarenteed crit from DN

[sudden phoenix]

any1 got the smart Tricks WA

[runic hinge]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[visual vault]

when i dont have vanish, do i refresh my improve garrote during pandemic with a regular one or do i just let the improve garrote finish before applying a new one?

[runic hinge]

let it run out

[waxen thunder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[visual vault]

got it. also, i find that sometimes my rupture ticks down during my cds. i shouldnt refresh it during kb windows if that happens right?

also thanks for the answer

[runic hinge]

always keep rupture up

[visual vault]

i try but sometimes i press my cds and they run out during my kb windows 😦

ill practice some more thanks a lot!

[storm stone]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[willow cloud]

Ansurek seems like a really interesting fight to optimize. The first 4 minutes are easy, just throw CDs, same for after 8 mins, but the 4-8 are window doesn't seem like there's a place to throw 2 sets, but can't tell if there's anywhere worth holding for either.

It's crazy to me that there's only 1500 h ansurek assassination logs, assuming that's what the parses column means?

[rotund oak]

😂

[haughty flicker]

i just got praised for being last dps alive on last boss of ara ara on my dev and barely timing the key

i decided not to tell them i forgot i had a poison dispell until everyone was dead

[vale holly]

Am i stupid or is double vanish and subterfuge good in pvp?

[runic hinge]

#pvp

Yeah tho. I run it

[safe sand]

If you're building combo points to do a Darkest Night but Rupture is about to fall off (say less than 4 sec) do you let Rupture fall off and do Darkest Night?

[vale holly]

A my bad

[robust axle]

How does the tott macro work exactly?

[brisk plank]

Guys how many catalyst charges will we have with this week's reset if we havent spent any?

[strange python]

2

[brisk plank]

Im focusing on m+ only, is it good idea to go for 2x dawnthread on wrists and waist and still craft a dagger for mh without ascension? Cant get any good dagger drop

[echo fox]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[clever sapphire]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[robust axle]

I saw the macro, just wondered about the functionality

[clever sapphire]

ah

its described on the wago page

i dont really know much else about it mb, i dont use tricks

[keen spruce]

It identifies a tank in your group and casts whatever spell you setup in the macro on them

Probably pulls them by spec

Idk

[slate crown]

The WeakAura it’s combined with creates a button frame object and assigns that frame a spell action of Tricks. It also dynamically determines a unit that is your tank, and assigns that frame a target of that tank.

The macro then calls the frame the WeakAura creates with its Click method, which casts the spell on the dynamically determined tank target.

I don’t know if that’s the level of detail you were asking for

[robust axle]

Exactly it, thanks! 🙂

[brisk plank]

Does anyone have a good shadowstep macro? I would want it to pop on the current target but if you mouseover a unit it would prioritize mouseover instead if it makes sense

[slate crown]

I don’t have a macro to share for it, also on phone.

But I do want to give fair warning that step is a dangerous spell to have on mouseover. I play with it and I have wiped a raid more than once because I tried to mouse over someone in the field and they moved out from my cursor unexpectedly

You’re free to try it but use at your own risk

Always try to mouseover unit frames, not the game field, if possible, it’s much safer and more reliable

[clever sapphire]

this is so true, been there done that

[brisk plank]

That is very true, but in M+ I've found myself wanting to ss to a distant mob to kick it and then such macro would come in handy

[wooden flare]

potentially this but i'm no expert:

/focus [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [harm]
/cast [@focus] shadow step
/cast [@focus] kick

could split it into a focus your mouseover macro, and a separate button press for SS+Kick macro which is probably more useful as you learn the dungeon and know which mobs you'll want to interrupt from range

[bitter solar]

That's why we get two charges. So we can panic and do the same thing again a second time with flair

[dry nova]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ebon steppe]

How's Algari Alchemist Stone now since it's been buffed

[balmy condor]

bad

[sharp viper]

#showtooltip
/use [@mouseover,exists,harm,nodead][]Shadowstep

if you want to use it on any target (friendly or enemy) just remove the "harm," - if you only want to shadowstep to friendlies while mouseover you can replace "harm" with "noharm"

[shrewd plover]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal kindle]

!cycle

[cunning needle]

!bicycle

[inner haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[topaz bough]

Should splatter be my top damage in every dungeon

[still stirrup]

pretty much

[normal mist]

CT/spatter up there = good

[topaz bough]

I may just have to make a Weakaura scream at me when it's off CD because I just feel like I miss it

It's weirder to track than a CD

In my head

[still stirrup]

just get the spatter WA if you dont have a pack already

[topaz bough]

I don't have that many Weakauras tbh mainly for defensives etc but this feels worth it

[still stirrup]

Up to you, but spatter should be top by quite a margin if you are doing things right

[topaz bough]

It was envenom my last run but tbh we got stacked out by the last boss of seige and had to fight it 3 times

[runic hinge]

Last boss of siege a real bitch

[topaz bough]

It's destructive fist right the tentacles

Because I keep having people go schizophrenic in my pugs

[still stirrup]

I would say 3rd boss of NW takes the cake for just completely negating DSM

[topaz bough]

I've been holding ambush for it but I haven't run it much

It may or may not be the right move

I've personally found the first boss of batol weird as fuck, I ended up putting a mark on the first add then transferring that one to the boss after it mounts

But it feels fucked that your mark counts as active on him but him on the dragon is just a different mob

Because my tracker shows it active on a different target when he mounts

[arctic tusk]

do you care about overcapping combo points to finish garroting

also my plater is tracking corrupt the blood and fatal intent lol i need to remove that

[topaz bough]

If I'm gonna run out of the 6s after stealth window I would probably just spread garrotte

Because snapshot

[neat pulsar]

Never played with a blindside proc build yet but I am considering it now. Does blindsides proc deathstalker ?

[topaz bough]

That's the talent that gives you ambushes right

[neat pulsar]

Yes

[topaz bough]

It has to be ambush from stealth

Otherwise that would be mad

[neat pulsar]

Ok, better thos way 😄

[topaz bough]

Me when I multi dot with dsm

[rancid grove]

Off the wall question, does raidbots Sim account for the Flame Bois from Shard of Azzinoth?

[velvet nacelle]

@rancid grove i don't know, but you are now my mortal enemy for getting them

[arctic tusk]

how would I go about removing corrupt the blood from plater actually

[velvet nacelle]

i don't know if they're any good but i've NEVER seen them drop from raiding TBC originally or any timewalks

[rancid grove]

I got a hero track one from my box and I want to use it but raidbots says in a DPS loss

[velvet nacelle]

what's the training dummy say?

other than "ouch, stop hitting me"

i mean i'm a sim guy but there's been cases where the sim is higher but in actual practice it's close enough that i opt for the fun

[rancid grove]

They generally account for .2% of my DMG in details after a M+

[velvet nacelle]

i think i need to re-read the assassination rotato guides, my envenom, kingsbane and deathmark are doing significantly less than the top parses even with the rest of my abilities being in line

[shy pecan]

Yes, it accounts for that dagger. And it's bad.

Unlucky

[topaz bough]

Are you getting the bonus from envenoming an envenomed target

That's like 10% by itself

[velvet nacelle]

like i'm casting as many (in the same time frame) but my damage per is a lot lower, like 1.34m average envenom on a top parser and mine is just 1m

yeah, i try to

so i feel like i must be missing something fundamental

i hate blue parses

[topaz bough]

Is it just gear?

[velvet nacelle]

i also realize that it's a smaller subset of players, and better players, getting heroic parses

[celest marlin]

is tehre a bug where we cant re=apply Deathstalkers Mark ?

[velvet nacelle]

naw, the rest of my average hits are in-line. i'm 611 with very similar statsx to this 613 log i'm looking at

[haughty flicker]

i need to start recording my keys

[velvet nacelle]

just those 3, kingsbane, envenom and deathmark

[topaz bough]

Ah okok, are the buff up times the same?

[haughty flicker]

because holy fuck ive had some bangers

[velvet nacelle]

kingsbane and envenom i know there's factors, but i was surprised by deathmark being so low with high dot uptimes

[haughty flicker]

pugging feels particularly cursed this season

[topaz bough]

Is it maybe your sequencing

[velvet nacelle]

@haughty flicker i had a key earlier this week where a shadow priest did 71k for the dungeon

@topaz bough i'm assuming it has to be

[celest marlin]

is tehre a good guide for crafting gear?

[velvet nacelle]

nothing is leaping out at me in the logs which sucks, i like it better when i'm like "oh i didn't cast this at all and that's why"

[shy pecan]

Post a log.

[whole wadi]

blacklist them by name in plater, rinse repeat for every dbuff u don't wanna see. quite a few of them are redundant as assa so go wild

[velvet nacelle]

oh can we not do threads in here?

wasted a bit of cp, was a bit chaotic for our first kill

but i don't think that fixes my low damage per cast

[celest marlin]

[Siphoning Stiletto | is this the dagger we are suppose to craft?

[zenith wasp]

no, stabber

[velvet nacelle]

oh whoops linked the wron glog

[shy pecan]

You're missing a KB cast at 1 minute

[celest marlin]

ALso instead of wrist waist, can i craft boots wawist with embelish ?

[velvet nacelle]

oh no wait that was the right one, i'm dumb

it's too late

[arctic tusk]

anymore u can think of?

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i noticed i had 5 casts in a 6 minute fight so this was never gonna be a golden parse, but it's the average damage i'm trying to figure out

people with my ilvl and stats are getting average envenoms of 1.3-1.5m and i'm only at 1m

i think it's taking me too long ot use my darkest night procs

i need to make that weakaura more noticeable

[lunar lotus]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[topaz bough]

I have 3 orbs and once the last one goes it plays glass shatter and then I know to reapply

[velvet nacelle]

hell, i had one fade

yeah i need to do audio on it

i had a wolf howl on the BTE procs in outlaw and not only was it very easy to keep chains going, it was hilarious

[topaz bough]

The priest orbs in Weakauras are nice to recolour

[whole wadi]

Doomblade, fatal intent

[velvet nacelle]

just to be consistent i added a wolf howl now

i like glass break better but i couldn't find it in the list and got lazy

we'll see if that helps

[celest marlin]

which embelish on dagger?

[velvet nacelle]

wtf i'm catching strays here, i'm not part of that conversation

no offense but most people don't really engage in questions that are in the pins or guides

could be worse, we could be the dh discord where they mock people or intentionally feed misinformation for those kinds of questions

🤷

[shy pecan]

When you're running with two passive trinkets for a burst spec, yeah things like that are gonna not hit as hard

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i haven't had any luck on the trinket farm yet

GB has not been kind to me

in terms of drops OR groups

[arctic tusk]

ty ty

[whole wadi]

just fyi doomblade is actually called mutilated flesh

[arctic tusk]

oh i blacklisted the actual doombladei d

id

do i need to change that

[whole wadi]

u can keep that np

its a passive debuff that doesnt affect ur gameplay anyways

[dim mural]

Surprised Pikachu that DHs act like this

[celest marlin]

damn you are so usefull

[velvet nacelle]

not my job to be useful and don't tag random people for questions that have already been answered in easily accessible places

[arctic tusk]

oh should I get rid of bonespike i feel like nobody actually pays attention to that

the debuff of it

[whole wadi]

ye just keep removing shit u dont care about until the stuff u care about is there, and if u want even more cleave bleed debuff tracking, check out Buff Special

[velvet nacelle]

hmm... i tried installing one of those rotation helper addons just now... these things seem... not good

like i'm at full CP and it's telling me to mutilate

i'm sure blizzard makes it hard for these types of things to work, but that's impressively bad

[whole wadi]

very rarely is very good, you remove the decisicion process of your prio and rotation which will defo hurt your performance in the long run, and helpers never know when its the right call to hold certain cds either. Go to target dummy until u no longer have to run away in shame to reset combat and cooldowns.

[velvet nacelle]

haha i will NEVER be done running away in shame

that's my default state

oh i have, i just wanted to see if this thing would offer any insight

(it did not)

my skill breakdown is almost usually pretty on point with what the sims say they should be

[whole wadi]

i keep seeing reddit posts about fury / prot rotation helper icant

[velvet nacelle]

within 1-2%

a helper for fury would be misleading in efficacy

fury can hit almost any button with minimal dps loss

as long as you're doing SOMETHING you're doing it right

[lunar lotus]

i can stack 2x dawnthread lining right?

before i troll myself

[whole wadi]

ye

[lunar lotus]

ty ty

[orchid cedar]

does raidbots sim the raid neck that gives vers on heals properly?

[velvet nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/machine-face-roll-keyboard-weird-gif-16274057

that's how you play fury

[orchid cedar]

don't know how to check it

[velvet nacelle]

i do lov ethe fury warriors who are in denial about an upcoming nerf

[rotund oak]

its babycrying

they will get use dot it

[velvet nacelle]

like 95 of the top 100 rasha'nan kills are fury warriors

[orchid cedar]

when's Rogue buffs tho

[velvet nacelle]

blizzard clearly doesn't like when melee tops meters

[orchid cedar]

we are clearly underperforming

hard

[whole wadi]

honestly i just want xalatath orbs to not break me out of stealth

[velvet nacelle]

stuff breaking us out of stealth unfairly has been a thing since vanilla

tank pulls, caster immediately insta casts at us in stealth

[rotund oak]

i want jaina's phone,need to ask her something

[whole wadi]

[velvet nacelle]

the fact that we continue to play rogue is just evidence of our masochism

or the vast amounts of copium we're on

[rotund oak]

i think its more annoying that after ascendant

it takes some time to restealth

for some reason

[velvet nacelle]

we might as well be ww monks believing that they'll fix our bugs that have been in since mists soon

[orchid cedar]

any melee player is just a masochist

90% chances you are not meta en M+

[velvet nacelle]

ww bugs have existed as long as ww monk has existed and you still see people in the discord going "any word on when they're fixing the <x> bug?"

[orchid cedar]

and in raid you will have to do a lot more than rangeds

[brisk plank]

Tysm , will test it later when I get home

[velvet nacelle]

ranged is just so boring by comparison though

even on my hunter i wound up going survival just because it's more interesting to play

[orchid cedar]

fun is subjective

safetiness and easy of use is not

[velvet nacelle]

survival is great, your'e like "oh man i'm zipping around the battlefield, this is so fun!" then you look at meters and are sad

i mean obviously my opinions are... opinionated? i dunno how to express this thought without sounding condescending

heh

[celest marlin]

wow what an asshole, general grade one, original packaging.

[velvet nacelle]

dude why are you even talking to me? i'm clearly an asshole that enjoys antagonizing you and you are feeding me

pretend i live under a bridge and make people who want to cross answer riddles

then go read the wowhead guide

[royal lantern]

"i could be a bigger ass, look at these guys that do XYZ" is not really something that makes you look good or less worse, if anything it makes you look more like a dick because it means you are aware that you act like a ass lol

like, you are a peak cringe lord rn

[velvet nacelle]

i mean, i'm clearly entertained and likely trolling for attention, i'm not sure calling attention to me is the right play

i'll also note that while you are trying to high road me, you ALSO haven't answered his question

[orchid cedar]

as simple as saying "check pins"

[velvet nacelle]

also, you'll note i never engaged with him at all until he randomly tagged me

[orchid cedar]

but ppl these days really need to grow some thicker skin

[velvet nacelle]

i didn't even give him a "check pins", which usually invites the person to go "or you could just answer me"

[celest marlin]

i hope you are a nicer person IRL, and not this disappointment of a human being.

[velvet nacelle]

i just continued my conversation with other people and then he tagged me, probably because i was active

that'd be like walking up to someone in a party who is talking to people and turning them around to talk to you

[orchid cedar]

Well if you tell someone to check pins and the answer you that you can tell them to fuck themselves

Checking pins is a perfectly valid answer becouse i don't wanna write an explanation that's already there

[velvet nacelle]

yeah but i didn't want to engage at all so i didn't, he literally @'d me

[velvet nacelle]

someone tried to pull me out of a conversation with other people about another topic we weren't talking about to answer his question that he can answer, quite easily, by himself. there's literally nothing anyone can say to me to make me feel like i'm in the wrong for making this entertaining for myself

[arctic tusk]

this is fatal intent right

[whole wadi]

reload ui if its still showing yaneh

[arctic tusk]

what is this one

[whole wadi]

show debuffs on ur target bar and manually check, could be trinket or weapon effects

[velvet nacelle]

that first one is fatal intent, second one i don't recognize

[orchid cedar]

second one is from authority of the depths right?

[velvet nacelle]

oh i'm on radiant power, that might explain why it didnt' look familiar

[whole wadi]

looks like astar is right

[arctic tusk]

ah

ill be removing that

lo

lol

[velvet nacelle]

i've been running dual radiants and it doesn't seem to affect the proc rate much, if at all

gonna give it another week of logging but i might mix em up

[whole wadi]

discord tip, if you press arrow key up you can instantly edit ur last message

[arctic tusk]

🫡

do people actually track who has a bonespike debuff on them

surely not

[whole wadi]

doesnt matter no

comes with rupture anyways

[velvet nacelle]

i had a WA but i literally just deleted it, it doesn't affect gameplay as far as i can tell so it was just screen clutter

[orchid cedar]

do you guys think blizzard will take action about the mage exploit at the RWF?

[whole wadi]

u mean the splinterstorm?

[orchid cedar]

yep

[velvet nacelle]

i guess it depends how bad the exploit it, if it's like the transcendence thing on star augur then yes

[whole wadi]

i think they gonna let it slide cus it didnt result in a kill and since they havent done anything yet but fixed the issue, i dont think more is gonna happen. that would be weird not instantly taking action if they were going to take action

[velvet nacelle]

all i heard was that gingi tweeted about it and people were mocking him for being mad about an exploit

[orchid cedar]

they didn't use it in the kill?

[whole wadi]

out of the loop tldr: by making all abilities cast @focus you could stack splinterstorm to 250 and do big dam. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/943845649261133855/1287408974110396476/image.png?ex=66f2194a&is=66f0c7ca&hm=18004cc84e9f7fac531e31c66c6c082ecd226d11f05125fc72ff435aab41b9cd&

no it was fixed

[royal lantern]

no

was fixed a couple hours after it came out

[orchid cedar]

then it is whatever

[neon rock]

heya folk. anyone really good at assa that can offer some help? picked up rogue like 2 weeks ago and i am doing super poorly. failing to understand where i am going wrong

[orchid cedar]

woudl've been interesting if they got the kill with it

[whole wadi]

go to training dummies till ur fingers bleed, then do it again

[neon rock]

right

[bitter saddle]

Read pins and wowhead guide and practice on dummy yeah

[velvet nacelle]

don't forget the importance of the walk of shame when you fuck up your cds early and have to wait 2 minutes

really wallow in that walk

like feel it in your core

[bitter saddle]

I did that and it didn’t feel good

[velvet nacelle]

let it hurt you so badly that you never fuck it up again

[neon rock]

i have and my raidbots says i should be hiting 800k or so, but i can hardly manage 500k. idk where i am going wrong.
most of the time i kinda stand at 0 energy

[velvet nacelle]

let the pain linger so long that you aren't sure if you could love again, so much that you aren't sure that you ever loved in the first place

[rotund oak]

relax with the pain,u can always train without torturing

[normal mist]

800 with buffs, 500 in dummies?

[velvet nacelle]

generally i just look at the skill breakdown against sims

since i'm not always gonna fully raid buff against a dummy

[neon rock]

no, 500 in an actual raid enviroment. buffed/flasks/enchants. no potions

[normal mist]

Depending on ilvl that isn't low

[velvet nacelle]

unless you get super lucky mechanically, you aren't going to get a training dummy experience on a raid boss

sorry, patchwerk

the training dummy jokes are pretty legit, you gotta hit them until your rotation is second nature

[neon rock]

610 and well parses are in grey. so its low
my warrior parses are 90+. i just cant manage to understand this rogue

[whole wadi]

on a more serious note. First identify what your main content is, and what build you will be playing the most and practice accordingly. Then divide your opener into windows you can practice and as you get better at each stage begin to refine. and remember that time spent on the dummies is never wasted. Muscle memory does so much

[normal mist]

Then it's rotation problem

100%

[bitter saddle]

Read the wowhead part about pooling that should fix sitting at 0 energy. Sounds like you don’t pool when you energy starved a lot

[rotund oak]

u can always ask for a log review friend

[velvet nacelle]

well, it's also a competition problem: fewer rogues and the rogues that are raiding are generally more skilled than the average warrior

warrior is like the most popular melee class

[neon rock]

okay. here or where? since wow analyzer isnt working

[rotund oak]

ist a command !log

and toss the log in there

[neon rock]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[velvet nacelle]

i like to do some self analysis before i ask the group to look at logs unless it's a specific question

[rotund oak]

[neon rock]

thought wow analyzer wasnt workin for rogue yet ._.

[normal mist]

I can open a thread and I can ask @spice spire to give your log a look if he's available

[novel star]

the log command is outlaw channel only

here u gotta do it manually ye

[orchid cedar]

more sweat to parse like a 10% warrior

[novel star]

just throw the link in chat

[orchid cedar]

with your 90% parse as a Rogue

[glacial stump]

Just post it, and prepare for a roasting

[velvet nacelle]

it's more about courtesy to the group, i don't mind some good roasting

[normal mist]

Usually the roasting comes from doubling/tripling down on bad takes

[velvet nacelle]

i've pulled some great insults out of my log reviews that were directed at me

[glacial stump]

post it post it post it

[rotund oak]

no one is roasting anyone here

[neon rock]

okay...so how i do this. just post my wowlog?

[novel star]

ya

[rotund oak]

just post it,there ar eplenty of ppl to help

[normal mist]

Yeah just past the link

[glacial stump]

[velvet nacelle]

wowanalyzer just pulled up my log, lemme look at this

[normal mist]

I'll open a thread, anyone is welcome to give it a look, I'll tag Quake there too

[rotund oak]

dogfathers unite ✊

(quake knows)

[neon rock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormscale/sourtooth
like dis? ;c

[normal mist]

You can open a specific fight you want to be looked at

[velvet nacelle]

that could work, usually link to a specific fight

heh, wowanalyzer says i used an envenom poorly because i spent 0 cp on it

so maybe not quite fully baked yet

[neon rock]

oka, sec

[velvet nacelle]

so wowanalyzer DOES support sin right now, it's very basic

but it's a good starting point, other than the "bad envenom, you used 0cp on it"

[neon rock]

oh neat, i'll try that. tried yesterday, it still wasn't workin

[velvet nacelle]

i'm gonna ignore that one

[neon rock]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[velvet nacelle]

the rest of them looked right

[whole wadi]

how do you even cast a 0 cp envenom? sikrit tech? - oh lol i misunderstood

[velvet nacelle]

spending with not enough time on rupture or with no rupture

[novel star]

4+ aintnoway

misinfo analyzer

[velvet nacelle]

no, i have magic hands. i can envenom out of thin air

[normal mist]

@neon rock just click on a boss you killed, open that fight and send the link

[velvet nacelle]

but yeah the general trend for the other reds was right, i even called myself out for that during the fight "why am i envenoming, rupture is gonna fall of"

[neon rock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zfD3j2mprxTy6bn4#fight=5&type=damage-done

[humble thunder]

Hey just a question about shiv. If im playing without double shiv should i use it so the last tick of kingsbane gets the benefit or before kingsbane

[bitter saddle]

Last 7-8s of kingsbane afaik

[normal mist]

Anyone that wanted / could help, thread is open

[humble thunder]

Thank you : )

[neon rock]

thanks

[velvet nacelle]

ahh you need a permission to start threads?

[upper thunder]

what is worth crafting after weapon

[normal mist]

It's not really a permission.. is something we do to help people without clogging the main channel

[normal mist]

If you embellished your dagger, wrists with the right embellishment

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[worldly sail]

was there a way to set boss starting hp in raidbots

[balmy condor]

you'd need to set up a custom enemy

the github wiki has info

[worldly sail]

ill check it out

[ocean ferry]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i've been hesitant to post logs since i don't want the log discussion to clutter the channel

[strange python]

whys sac trinket sim higher then spyglass thought the main stat agi would just be better

[orchid cedar]

sac gives main stat too

[strange python]

ah true

[orchid cedar]

what trinket combination do you guys think is better for M+?

[strange python]

ive been using spyglass and skardens

been slapping keys sin is really strong

[orchid cedar]

it's ok

a lot of stuff is really strong in keys rn

[velvet nacelle]

skardens

[strange python]

ive yet to been beaten in any key yet

[velvet nacelle]

you are now my mortal enemy

i've done so much GB this week and not seen it drop yet except one guy got a warbound version

[orchid cedar]

• how much?

your keys i mean

[strange python]

im basicly 2500

so timed all 10 almost

bar 1-2

[orchid cedar]

i don't think you will be touching any FDK for example

[velvet nacelle]

nice, i haven't really pushed this week, did a few 6s but mostly 2-4s helping friends get geared

[orchid cedar]

if they get a good group that chain pulls properly

[strange python]

yeah giga chad ones but im doing near enough 2m dps

every dung

[orchid cedar]

high keys will all be mage evoker shit

[velvet nacelle]

i keep getting tanks who chain pull perfectly to f my stealth

[strange python]

yeah chain pulls hurt bigtime

[velvet nacelle]

and i'm not doing stuff hard enough that the trash lives really long enough anyways

mainly been farming gear for friends and praying for skardens

i should have been doing sieges too but i hate that dungeon

[strange python]

yeah once u get 10 u can unload onto packs

[velvet nacelle]

like right now it feels bad to use vanish in packs since stuff dies so fast, but at higher keys or on fort i definitely will be

gonna try to push for KSM next week, this week i got busy with work unexpectedly so that ate into my key time

it has been BRUTAL getting into keys at 1600 and 611. i got rejected from like 10 +2 GBs just now

[honest pelican]

I'm 1600ish on my paladin and only way I get into keys is as tank pugging... my rogues only like 800 but I've been doing low keys for crests

[tawdry flint]

I’m on 31 runs and wanna kms

[honest pelican]

Still missing a dungeon or two, gotta make up for it for rating

[tawdry flint]

It’s the worst dung for disbanding on last boss too

[honest pelican]

I need it on paladin AND rogue so it's ultra bad

My evoker too, but fml if my pushing 3x toons in gb

[orchid cedar]

what i'm seeing is that pugging as a rogue in general sucks

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, some people just struggle with the final GB boss

[honest pelican]

Pugging as any dps imo

[orchid cedar]

we have no cr, no BL, we are melee

our class really doesn't have much going for it

[velvet nacelle]

it is an absolute clusterfuck though, huge model and stunlocking hentai tentacles underneath its model is just mean

[honest pelican]

Unless your already like 616+ with 2k ratings then your chance of being accepted to pugs is around +3%

[velvet nacelle]

i still see people posting requiring 3k ratings for +2-4s

[orchid cedar]

the dmg is ok but so is for many other classes with much more utility rn

So gl as a rogue

[pulsar apex]

run your own key

[velvet nacelle]

@pulsar apex how do you think i got to 1600 in the first place heh

but when you're trying to farm a specific dungeon for a drop

sometimes you gotta pug

[orchid cedar]

running your key is fun and dandy until you need to farm for something specific

don't live in fucking wonderwall

[honest pelican]

On my rogue I've had to run my key and if it's not one with loot I drop it to a 4 and run it then rinse repeat. Ide take champion track trinkets at this rate

[inland escarp]

@balmy condor sorry for ping, curious where i would change the color of the deathmarked target in plater.

[pulsar apex]

Play with friends. Play with guild. Play with a M+ signup community. Puglife doesn't need to happen.

[inland escarp]

err deathstalkers mark*

[balmy condor]

Under mods

Then hit the options button on the color change mod

Can pick a color from there

[honest pelican]

I play with friends but we don't have enough for alt runs, so usually it's all higher keys on mains. It's whatever though im used to it. Eventually I think more tuning will come

[inland escarp]

ty!

[orchid cedar]

For Rogue to be desirable it needs to do basically the most dmg

having the perfect dmg profile for the dungeon

[honest pelican]

Just give rogues a buff to bring to the table to make then more appealing. For instance, any enemy within 15 yards takes 50% more damage. Ez

[orchid cedar]

and bring back acrobatic strikes

[honest pelican]

Yes pls

I miss it

Felt weird returning to rogue in tww pre patch without. Hadn't played since s3 df

[brisk plank]

does having a dagger with ascension in offhand make any sense? asking if lets say i get mythic from vault and can only craft heroic 619 one

[velvet nacelle]

god i miss the old attack range

outlaw feels better than it ever has rotationally, and feels worse than it ever has because of that range loss

i miss legion sin and sub, where we were single target specialists

like topping meters but only hitting one target to do it

our raid leader tried to put me on a mechanic once and all the guild officers yelled at him

[rotund oak]

outlaw feels cringe

[orchid cedar]

no acro is just a terrible change

makes the class feel way worse for no reason

[velvet nacelle]

i mean, if i get carpal tunnel i'mma look back at the past 3 expansions of M+ and know where it came from, but i like outlaw

140 CPM takes a toll on this old mans body

[orchid cedar]

outlaw is fun

[ripe carbon]

just realised i been using raid aoe talents instead of single target, thinking it was the ST build

[orchid cedar]

having to be inside a pack of mobs to do any dmg does not

[velvet nacelle]

@ripe carbon i did that this week too and still got a few purples with it heh

i thought i had adjusted to it but then the final boss of GB forcing you to be in his hit box to hit him, with the hentai tentacles reminded me how good acrobatic strikes was

[rotund oak]

140 sounds farfetched

[velvet nacelle]

it was an exageration

lemme look up an old log

[balmy condor]

140 if you quadruple count gcds like wcl does

[orchid cedar]

isn't it like 84?

[balmy condor]

I can’t imagine it being higher than 75ish but I have no clue I’m just yapping

[velvet nacelle]

i know wcl overcounted, i never knew what the factor was

[orchid cedar]

you have some off the gcd stuff

[balmy condor]

A ton

[orchid cedar]

so it's mre than 75

not by much

[balmy condor]

Yeah wow outlaw is mid 80’s

That’s fucking wild

[velvet nacelle]

yeah WCL has most of my outlaw CPMs at like 130-140 and i'm sure i wasn't ACTUALLY hitting more than 2 buttons per second

it still felt like it on some long pulls though

[orchid cedar]

playing some outlaw improved my assa gameplay

now it's like playing in slowmo

[velvet nacelle]

except pooling is hard after a long outlaw session

like i want to use every gcd after playing outlaw for a while

[eternal wave]

Hey sorry quick question, do I have to apply Amp Poison to the actual Kraken in Boralus to mitigate the dispel debuff?

[solar wyvern]

It is insane swapping from outlaw to sin, I feel like I'm tweaking out when I pool energy

Somethings wrong and I can feel it kinda vibes

[eternal wave]

Atr*

[velvet nacelle]

i need to try more sub, every once in a while i just explode and go super saiyan on damage and other times i might as well be hearthing out of the fight

not being able to track the unseen blade thing is kinda tough

i love the mechanic of it, but the application basically being passive and the cd being hidden makes me not like it

i kinda liked when it was tied to feint so at least i could hold it

[orchid cedar]

doesn't really make much of a difference

[velvet nacelle]

but this is the wrong channel for that

[inner haven]

Quick Q, I see most ppl use Authority of the Depths enchant both for raid and m+. I already put radiant power on my hc wep so is having only 1 of each worse? Is there something that makes it better to have 2x depths?

[orchid cedar]

i think most people use double depths couse it's better in ST

enchants are pretty close anyways

[velvet nacelle]

the enchants were simming very close for me

and i spent way too much gold verifying that

[inner haven]

y they arent exactly cheap

[solar wyvern]

I crafted my dagger and enchanted it today

My wallet

Ouchies

[velvet nacelle]

right now i'm on double radiant and i think i might mix em but i dunno, it's a marginal increase and i can get more dps out of better play than enchants right now anyways

@inner haven because you know what they say about a fool and their money right?

because if you do, can you please tell me?

what do they say?

[rotund oak]

how much did it cost

[inner haven]

No thank you 😉

[velvet nacelle]

damn tough crowd, i thought that was a pretty funny setup

must be the hour, lack of sleep has me delusional

wow that was so bad i just killed the active chat in here, i guess i'll take that as a sign to dip. night folks

@celest marlin https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear#crafted-gear

[solar wyvern]

30k enchant + 50k mats (i had some already) + 4200g 69s tip to my smith

[rotund oak]

yup sounds reasonable

82k for me,everything

[velvet nacelle]

tip ending in 69s. my man

[solar wyvern]

Yeah it still hurts tho

[rotund oak]

yeah true

[solar wyvern]

Im lucky I didn't get gouges

[rotund oak]

its alot of gold

[brisk plank]

@balmy condor boss could you give me an answer to this one, pretty please

[balmy condor]

Sure that’s fine

[solar wyvern]

The DH in my old guild, crafted her weapon with the wrong embellishment, recrafted it pre-reset and then recrafted it again once she had gilded crests this reset

Some people are just rich ig

[rotund oak]

i had mine done from a friend,he just went to craft wpns since the start,he proc'd naturally to max rank and all

and i was lucky coz he normally asks for big tips

like 20k

[brisk plank]

thanks, asking just in case having it in offhand doesnt do much

[royal lantern]

just be a blacksmith and make our own dagger

paying ~50-80k in materials VS paying ~200k in materials until you have everything high enough skill/knowledge to make it at r5

[soft shale]

BS was funny last week scamming everyone making weapons

[true condor]

brothers do we cast CT in ST?

use it in what situation?

[wooden jasper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hoary remnant]

No 2+ targets

[true condor]

k ty

[modest gale]

in keys, do we send shiv without kb?

[royal python]

Does lucky coin interact with scent of blood n ara-kara agi stacks

[hoary remnant]

No not really if your not talented into aoe shiv

[modest gale]

not on st either?

[hoary remnant]

You send shiv always with kb

Just to make it easier for you

[modest gale]

kb is minute cd shiv is 30

doesnt that make me 1 free shiv ?

[royal lantern]

dont spread Missinformation

[hoary remnant]

No they don't share a cd

[royal lantern]

thank you

🙂

[hoary remnant]

That ain't misinformation

Thats fact

You send shiv with kb

[modest gale]

i havent ask that

[hoary remnant]

Outside that makes no sense. Or very edge cases

[royal lantern]

if you play with 1shiv only, you send it at the end of kingsbane, and then 1x outside of kingsbane because, well, its a 25sec cd and will be up again for KB

with 2charges Shiv its always alinging it with KB

[royal lantern]

it is and you didnt read what they asked

[glacial stump]

I dont think shiv is actually that great in aoe situations, but its an extra thing to add to your KB, so i think you send in ST

But i guess if you can fit it in with a splatter then why not?

[royal lantern]

yes, thats why you can use 1shiv outside of KB without double shiv skilled

cus otherwhise you would afk on it for 30seconds lol

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[mystic osprey]

Someone should make a whispyr edit

[royal lantern]

why

[grim jay]

@vernal shadow #tc-research message
just to answer that in the right channel, you are indeed doing smth wrong if you encounter that, as you shouldnt open with ambush if you can play dn

[royal lantern]

its fuus spreadsheet

[mystic osprey]

Whispyrs just a chad

[strange python]

Wait so we don't vanish at the end of KB anymore

HUH

Oh boy

[royal lantern]

and fuu is aswell and puts allot of effort into things

[mystic osprey]

No

[carmine mirage]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mystic osprey]

Definitely

[royal lantern]

we dont even play MA anymore + Kingsbane is not 200% of our dmg

[mystic osprey]

Rogue has the best theory crafters undoubtedly

[strange python]

It's gonna be hard to shake that muscle memory from dragonflight

[twin plume]

tank dies to Grim batol 2nd boss 3 times without a single cd used, leaves says this

why are people like this

[glacial stump]

Love pugs

People are dumb, always have been always will be

[royal lantern]

thats why you dont play with random people

just dont

your time is to precious for that

[balmy condor]

It’s the same embellishment

[royal lantern]

no guildmates/friends onnline? dont do m+

[strange python]

So we just hold it for reapplying Death stalkers mark now

[glacial stump]

Unless you run your own key and just wait

[vale holly]

I have no in-game friends and i surpass most of my guild in terms of ilvl

I can only pug with my pocket heal

[grim jay]

its funny sometimes. earlier I had a guy saying its my fault we dont time the +10 NW because I died once on the annoying pull before the bridge with 2m overall dps while the hunter was cruising at 750-ish k overall. definitely not his fault for not performing at all

and that same guy couldnt deal with fixate and hook overlap on the same person at the 3rd boss

[pulsar apex]

do we get another catalyst charge next week?

[grim jay]

yes

should be that way iirc

[oak tangle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[oak tangle]

@slate crown i knew you'd have something for the new coins

❤️

[royal lantern]

my "dungeons with randoms" moment was a Arakara +8

endboss, 2puddles in melee for me and the tank, and like 4000in range

when the suck happens, the mage suddenly starts running across the entire arena and tries to go into a melee puddle, is slower then me and dies (no iceblock ofc)

and then writes WTF ROGUE WHY STEAL PUDDLE YOU HAVE CLOAK (closk was on CD)

i love the endless pug blameshifting

and lets not talk about 2 shamans in the group and no poison dispell totem

[glacial stump]

Some of the fights suck for melee big time

just stood waiting

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-doing-now-homer-simpson-hmm-thinking-whistle-gif-17896520

[fierce ice]

hey guys im trying to make a rupture mouseover macro, where it would cast rupture on mouseover otherwise cast on current target

does this one work?
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, exists, nodead] Rupture
/cast Rupture

[normal kindle]

poor u well it just happens..... i was doing a Boralus 8 and the healer left before last boss because not timed... well sometimes finishing a 8 will give u Heroic Loot.... meanwhile i waited like 1 hour to enter in 8... with 2100 RIO

sometimes i just want to play tank and enter every like minute or so ...

[bitter saddle]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead] rupture; rupture

Put in the harm so when other meele player on the way you still cast on mob

[orchid cedar]

pugging is hell

[arctic socket]

I didn’t go as hard on keys as a I normally do, so I’m stuck at 1936 io and every 7 I sign up for I get like instantly declined , tried running my personal key but it keeps rolling either NW city or Mists

Feels bad man

[orchid cedar]

the experience is terrible in general

[fierce ice]

oohh ty ty!

[orchid cedar]

is the LFG filter not working properly?

some keys are never showing up

[atomic relic]

what should we craft for m+ (only m+) content xD

[arctic socket]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

I hate m+

Just wanted to share my feelings, thanks.

[atomic relic]

❤️ all fine

[royal lantern]

based and real

[normal mist]

I mostly hate it because I haven't got a group to play with.

[bitter saddle]

I feel that

[normal mist]

So ever since m+ became a thing I've been pugging this whole time

[orchid cedar]

level up a mage

free invites

[bitter saddle]

Pugging sucks ass. I have a smol group of 3 dps with my friends and for 3 dps to find a pug is really shitty and we don’t have bl so it’s extra hard

[wooden jasper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[orchid cedar]

pugging isn't even bad

[fallen arch]

Let 2 of them reroll to tank and healer

[normal mist]

I rather stop playing

[orchid cedar]

if you could actually play

lfg is the problem

i don't mind playing with randoms

[bitter saddle]

One of them is a warrior and I’ve been telling him to man the fuck up and go tank since we started haha

[fallen arch]

There u go

[normal mist]

Me neither, when you have enough io to Q with people that actually use their brain

[atomic relic]

after 2 days and getting 2300 io with Havoc DH i ahve too reroll into assasin rogue for m+ :(( feels bad