assassination

[subtle tundra]

same rotation but feels better

[novel star]

shiny ambush dopamine very true actually

forgot

[balmy condor]

I'm ngl if I'm not staring down my energy I have no idea if blindside procced

[novel star]

but it puts a big thing on ur screen

[bleak spoke]

But the bright gold parenthesis!

[balmy condor]

disabled

[subtle tundra]

different animation

fym

i see it

[novel star]

aintnoway

[bleak spoke]

That is actually anti fun

You should reenable it

[balmy condor]

for what purpose

[subtle tundra]

me when i see 3 blindisde procs in a row

[novel star]

kills whispyr with hammers

[subtle tundra]

🤑

[bleak spoke]

Dopamine

[wild nest]

I’m starting to think whispyr actually hates dopamine

[balmy condor]

I hate visual clutter

[novel star]

yet you added coins to the WA

[subtle tundra]

cleave probably not gonna perform in +7s

[novel star]

curious

[wraith nexus]

Do daggers even drop on our loot table? Cause I'm not convinced.

[subtle tundra]

if i did some 10s id try cleave but im long done with my weeklies

[balmy condor]

to be fair, if I didn't people would've actually pitchforked me

[novel star]

no daggers only drop on outlaw

[bleak spoke]

Wait does the coin you tossed actually change how you play

[novel star]

no lol

[balmy condor]

I'm already getting spammed from m+ fiends asking why my weakauras don't track momentum of despair for their CT single target

[subtle tundra]

i dont even have a WA to tell me to fok in st

if i remember to, i fok, if i dont, such is life

[bleak spoke]

Man I don’t get that if you care about that it’s not hard to write that kind of WA at all

[novel star]

the only time coin tracker “matters” is like pre pull in a dungeon u can gamble with slice and dice or smth but it’s prolly not actually better

i just like gambling

[bleak spoke]

Ah

I do too

I’m gonna

[balmy condor]

but that requires investing time into making a WA for that

[bleak spoke]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

and mplussers do not have that sort of time

[grim jay]

I have one that only lights up if I'm not talented into VV

[balmy condor]

they're too busy sitting in town spam queueing LFG

[bleak spoke]

They have enough time to dm you to complain

[novel star]

me too (whispyr edit)

[bleak spoke]

That’s enough time to write that wa

[balmy condor]

well yeah they have time to be angry at me cause they're in town spam queueing LFG

but they don't have the time to make the wa because they're in town spam queueing LFG

you see the difference

[bleak spoke]

Yeah

Understandable

[novel star]

mouse in right hand queueing

phone in left hand dming

get woke

[balmy condor]

had one guy can't find him in my list anymore

[stoic knoll]

hey guys, do you think is there any macro for targeting the enemy with the deathstalker's mark? im garrote and rupturing every one in the start of the m+ pulls and sometimes its hard to target the one with the mark in 15 enemy plate?

[balmy condor]

he was like why don't you add it

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-rapid-eyes-moving-eyes-squint-rem-gif-6920795604572906371

[balmy condor]

and I said "cause I don't want to"

so he said "but it's better"

and I said "but it's my UI"

[woven shore]

Lol

[balmy condor]

and he said "ur UI sucks"

and then just left

[bleak spoke]

Some people are changing the color of the plate of the mob with the mark I think

[novel star]

Based

what a god

[woven shore]

Ur ui suxs

[balmy condor]

yeh like lettuce said, lot of people are recoloring the plate

[woven shore]

Are you guys having problems find a group too?

[grim jay]

no

[balmy condor]

are you pugging

[grim jay]

usually get instant invites

[woven shore]

Maybe

[grim jay]

[woven shore]

[balmy condor]

if you're pugging, you're going to have problems finding a group

because..... you're pugging

[novel star]

ur pugging as a dps

a melee dps even

enjoy queue buddy

[woven shore]

But but ... 😦

[chilly mist]

"Rogue community trying to keep track of all the bugs"

[novel star]

get used to dornogal

[blissful spire]

been looking for a key for the last 30 min

[grim jay]

just be 2.4k+

and they will just take you

[blissful spire]

my flask about to run out

[grim jay]

no matter what

[woven shore]

1,4 io
610ilv

[balmy condor]

you're fucked lmao

[blissful spire]

2.2k cant get to 2.4 if im not getting in

[woven shore]

[novel star]

cant pug because io cant get io because pug good luck buddy

[balmy condor]

1.4k io you're perma decline

[blissful spire]

slowly climbing 1 key level at a time too

patience is key ig

[woven shore]

Lmfao

[grim jay]

yeah most people dont even join keys if the leader has 1.4k

[novel star]

naw cant do that either

[woven shore]

Doing a stonevault 6-7 today

Then 180

[subtle tundra]

im getting declined at 2.4k sometimes

[woven shore]

1,8

[subtle tundra]

so yea

queuing for 7s

[woven shore]

But its so fun i swear

I queue
I get in
I out dmg all these fuckers

And get declined

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean biggest thing you can do

[blissful spire]

ig some are looking for specific comps

[balmy condor]

is making some fucking friends

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/kwqp5pf.png i agree

[balmy condor]

that's the biggest m+ buff

[woven shore]

kick and stun more than the whole team together

[blissful spire]

naw

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

disgusting ngl

[bleak spoke]

every time there's a big update, i download your WAs and then i go and literally turn all the alphas from 30% on the utility buttons back to 100%

[subtle tundra]

i fucking hate that some dungeons have 11 items in their loot table(looking at you grim batol)

[woven shore]

You want to be my friend

[bleak spoke]

if my kick is faded out

[woven shore]

[bleak spoke]

i am frightended

by default in key

[woven shore]

Your Ui sucks tho

[balmy condor]

damn

got me

[grim jay]

I cant fucking get the ring

its a pain

[blissful spire]

[novel star]

that dungeon is just a mess

[opaque oriole]

do u know why sometimes its impossible to immediately restealth after affix? like its not consistent, some time i can sometime not

[chilly mist]

that god damn ring wont drop

[bleak spoke]

[subtle tundra]

i dont give a shit about ring

[chilly mist]

alot of good items in shit dungeons this season

[subtle tundra]

i want the fucking trinket

[balmy condor]

orbs dying counts as combat

[woven shore]

Ive done Grim Batol + 10 times for the trinket
But didnt get it fml

[balmy condor]

so you're in combat for a couple seconds after orbs die

[novel star]

i got a warbound healer trinket from gb before the real trinket

[grim jay]

wdym, just loot it. you cant just loot the ring tho, I tried

[novel star]

:)

[subtle tundra]

its 4% chance to drop lol

10 times is just the start

[woven shore]

I really need that 6,000 mastery Trinket for raid

Bro the problems is

[grim jay]

I did 96 runs of plaguefall for the trinket back then

so

[woven shore]

As if

[bleak spoke]

its actually so annoying

[balmy condor]

yeah you're probably in for like 30-40 runs

[woven shore]

The problem is that i dont get these people

[bleak spoke]

also, sometimes blind doesn't get them all even when they're clustered

very cool

[novel star]

when i’m getting declined from 5s

[tacit wedge]

Brann i'm begging you, TAKE THE AGGRO

[icy oxide]

bubbling wax doesnt work anymore?

[novel star]

[grim jay]

if you blind one of the orbs it for sure doesnt

[balmy condor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax (when it works) is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• MANY BUGS YEP
• Doesn't stack (only apply to one weapon)
• Sometimes just won't work in offhand (apply it to your left slot, whetstone on the right slot)
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip
• Some hitbox weirdness because it's an AoE effect and it won't actually hit adds, especially on larger bosses
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with ""Brax's Brass Knuckles"", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start ""Go Take Candle"". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds"

[novel star]

never did

[chilly mist]

Its a bug, blind doesnt spread off of the orbs

has the be on a mob

[bleak spoke]

that's even worse than i thought

[woven shore]

This is just racism

Nothing else

People hate rogues

[chilly mist]

honestly not bad, "not my problem" type of angle. actually a nice bug for once 😄

[subtle tundra]

man brood into kyveza mythic is so fucked
absolute monsters of bosses

[bleak spoke]

for years i've done explosives without a single complaint and now i can't even blind a bunch of orbs

[woven shore]

Squishiest things my ass

[bleak spoke]

[woven shore]

10% dmg nerf and 6% hp lol

[subtle tundra]

thank god the bench was invented

[grim jay]

kyveza looks like an absolute nightmare ngl

[balmy condor]

pugging m+ and expecting invites is literally equal to walking into a gorilla exhibit at the zoo and wondering why you're not able to have a stimulating intellectual conversation about the current political conversation

[subtle tundra]

and rogue is mid as fuck

[balmy condor]

you're trying to communicate with fucking animals

just give it up

[blissful spire]

[novel star]

i like the pace of kyveza

but yea

insanely hard

[bleak spoke]

i think conceptually the design is great

[grim jay]

I'm quite positive that there are gorillas out there that I'd rather talk about politics with than a fair amount of people tho #nogorillashaming

[woven shore]

Do you mean by that
That we are smart and gud and they are just stupid

[chilly mist]

looks like complete cr'ck c'caine on mythic

[subtle tundra]

echo needs to lock in

cause they are losing bad

[novel star]

liquid takes this race ez

[woven shore]

I swear if rogues had a blood lust people would love us

[novel star]

it’s not close

[woven shore]

!!!!!

[bleak spoke]

seeing it makes me wish i was raiding again

[novel star]

usa usa usa

[bleak spoke]

it looks so fun

[novel star]

[novel star]

(i’m still not american)

[quaint spindle]

so wwhat we thinking about this

[balmy condor]

it's like a regular trinket but worse

[subtle tundra]

fellow rogues
in case you didnt know there is a combat ress for EVERYONE
you need to buy it from AH

[zenith coral]

what addon is used to change color of ds target? platewr?

[quaint spindle]

hell yeah

[bleak spoke]

yep dont need to be engi anymore

the rank 1 is 6 second cast, rank 2 is 4s, rank 3 is 2s

it can't fail

[subtle tundra]

save the keys. buy the res

[novel star]

? they put critical strike as best stat on wowhead u fuckign idiot. Goat trinket

i love to critically strike my foes

[bleak spoke]

i wish i would be critically struck irl

[balmy condor]

I mean you're the one sitting in town getting chain declined, so you probably aren't the brightest bulb either

[chilly mist]

Wax farming right now, how expensive is it?

[quartz osprey]

What strat are people using for surgeon stitchflesh, vanish to get deathmark on him?

[blissful spire]

4 declines and 1 full

[grim jay]

its cheaper to invite 2 people with a brez tho

[blissful spire]

idk if i can do this anymore

[bleak spoke]

like 100 gold for the rank 2

lmao

[blissful spire]

my flask officially expired

[balmy condor]

yeh, vanish and gaming darkest night

[bleak spoke]

it's so cheap

[timber coyote]

hi, i have engeneering as my profession.... is there any benefit to having any of the engeneering tinkers? if so, is there is recommended one?

[bleak spoke]

i think rank 3 is like a few thousand but tbh like when i'm pushing if i push this season i'll go buy some

2s rez is insanely good

[grim jay]

yeah its only 2s worse than most brez

and range restricted

[bleak spoke]

in context of like 5s and chance to fail i think its pretty good

it's not like you brez when there's class brez alive in your party

[grim jay]

BDK and resto druid, if you are the one that needs to rez you will wipe anyways

[leaden garden]

does asa ever open with Ambush? or always Garrote, right?

[grim jay]

to apply deathstalkers mark

[subtle tundra]

ambush the goat

[bleak spoke]

sure if you play with bdk and resto druid, then if you need to rez you're probably wiping

[chilly mist]

asa always open with ambush, unless you're not playing Deathstalker/have Darkest night up

[leaden garden]

tyty

[bleak spoke]

i still don't really see a downside to having the ability to brez

[royal lantern]

im at 19runs GB now

our paladin got his stupid hammer trinket on first run

[blissful spire]

omg i made it into a group for key

time to wipe first pull

[grim jay]

got it on 3rd

but i still need to keep going

for the ring

😄

[ashen rover]

I looted 2nd hc regicide yesterday

[grim jay]

@balmy condor when will you add a monster icon for tea in your WA tho?

[dense cloud]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[wise gull]

Do we think it's probably fine to craft a crit/mastery ring if I'm playing sub and assa?

[dense cloud]

sorry for the q, is this is the wrist we craft?

[wise gull]

No embellishment

primarily playing sub in raid tho

[chilly mist]

Yeah their stats are quite similar, why ring though?

think sub would vers-mastery normally but y

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-gif-21110512

[lavish raft]

Should we be waiting to cast the next envenom at the end of the previous envenom buff, or should we be popping envenom as soon as we have the CPs?

[wise gull]

only one hero track ring so far so it's a pretty big jump

still using a 606

and i have my free crest

[chilly mist]

Ah ok, I don't know enough to give advice on the slot but regarding the stats themselves I believe you should be fine

Did crit mastery on both dagger and belt and will likely play both sub and assa during prog

[jovial idol]

Crit is not that great for Sub IIRC

[late surge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mgwXRdy2XmH8BurgAbu9XD we getting there

finally getting m+ drops xd

honestly guy

what do I spend hc crests on

[royal lantern]

everyone getting m+ loot except me

[late surge]

Im torn

Idk

like 40 dungeons done

is cringe

got spyglass traded

thank fuck

[frigid cedar]

hi is there anything major that is neede to craft?

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

buff

[steel geyser]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

unless yr overcapping energy or going above 50% on sanguine blades deathstalker

just pandemic refresh the buff

[lavish raft]

is this also during the opener too?

[novel star]

no in cooldowns you mash

outside cds u play buff

[lavish raft]

thanks man

[novel star]

[subtle field]

can we CT orbs on st boss fights in m+ to get an empowered Ct onto the boss and if yes, is that worth it?

[limber lion]

Whispyr said no

[subtle field]

ah okay ty

[thorny crown]

is sacbrood/grace or spyglass/grace the best combo rn?

[chilly mist]

my skardyn/void outsims skardyn/spyglass atm, guess it depends on your gear

[wide sand]

just to be sure, is the detection range while in stealth with true vision enemies the same as if i wasn't stealthed right?

[digital venture]

!fu

[limber lion]

Yes

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[digital venture]

you guys playing FB on raids or DS?

[wide sand]

DS

[digital venture]

I feel like I do better with DS even thro sims always favoring FB any reason for that?

[fringe oxide]

I am not smart enough to give reasoning but in Warcraftlogs everyone is playing DS

[novel star]

stats

probably

[digital venture]

ahhhhh okey, that could be good enough reasoning! :p

[novel star]

also coin rng kinda but

yeh

[digital venture]

and the heads buff is a %buff so the more u have the better, right?

[solid venture]

[digital venture]

Poggers!

[rapid socket]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[undone summit]

is the second boss in boralus buged?

[ripe carbon]

dunoo but i had people die on first set of mobs and they couldnt release

[sturdy stirrup]

pog gz

[maiden cliff]

is there any place that talks about rogue embellishments? I am not seeing a clear path somer places say dawnthread and focusing lens but I see raiders going asendance+patch

[tulip fern]

Wowhead guide has a pretty good section on embellishments

[undone summit]

idk but the second boss always turns her frontal around

[lavish portal]

hello, scale caustic spatter with mastery? so more mastery more caustic spatter dmg?

[floral cloud]

Hi guys, can someone explain me what im doin wrong in assa rogue? My ilvl is 610 and i think i should make more dps but no idea how

if someone can help just add me on discord

i think that my dps is not good enoguht

And where i can find bis trinkets etc, wowhead shows it but when im seeing top rogues they have much diffrent trinkets

[ripe carbon]

i dunno i just read over the guide and see what im doin wrong

[floral cloud]

Or mby u have some good guy on youtube which showing everything but not for a begginers

let's say for mid players

[ripe carbon]

like not doing opener right.. not having bleeds up.. not having caustic spatter... not using CDs

not using thistle tea etc

[floral cloud]

Doin everything right i guess

And btw, when im using echoing Reprimand and my combo points are blue

so blue means when im using envenom it deals dmg like a 7 combo points?

or still must have 6/7 combo points even with blue combo points

[ripe carbon]

i dunno i use my own weak aura for combo points... it treats anime charged as 7 combo points

[floral cloud]

hmm no idea how other players doing much more dmg

[ripe carbon]

you can post a log and create a thread for log review

[floral cloud]

Can i find my logs from keys?

[ripe carbon]

youd have to log it urself

[floral cloud]

got it

[ripe carbon]

not that difficult u just download an addon and post on warcraftlogs

[floral cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/burning-legion/rybako?zone=38#difficulty=4

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/burning-legion/rybako?zone=39

logs from keys are so shitty

which channel is it?

on discord

[ripe carbon]

create a thread

well acutally i dunno how u do

[hollow river]

“!log <link to log>”

Iirc

[floral cloud]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[hollow river]

Ah

[floral cloud]

https://wowanalyzer.com/character/eu/burning-legion/rybako?zone=39

So where should i link my logs and someone can help me with it?

[ripe carbon]

i think mod has to do i dunno

threads are in top right the spool icon

[floral cloud]

dont see it

[ripe carbon]

ya a mod has to create a thread i think

[pure moth]

You just link the log here and one of the mods will turn it into a thread to have it all in one spot.

[floral cloud]

my logs are not updated lol

i mean logs with the keys

[ripe carbon]

well ull have to log one

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download

[floral cloud]

oh

[ripe carbon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start

[floral cloud]

cannot download it from curseforge y?

[pure moth]

Because it's not an addon

[gleaming wagon]

what

[grand trail]

tobby is free toby found his sock after 20 runs

so ready for brood now

[inland flare]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal iron]

Should I just make Ambush the same bind as my mutilate when im in stealth? Is there any reason not to open with ambush ?

[zealous wolf]

Why does whispyrs plater no longer show deathmark on mobs?

I had an older version where it showed it but now when i got the new it wont show it anymore, did he just remove it?

[subtle field]

if you have Ds mark up you wouldnt open with ambush but with garrote or RUpture if you have combo points already, but yeah you would never open with mutilate afaik

[amber blaze]

is the siphoning Stiletto good embelish ?

[zealous wolf]

:)))

[amber blaze]

check the pins right ?

[subtle field]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[zealous wolf]

its shit

[floral cloud]

ok got the account on warcraft logs

and got warcraftlogs upload

app

so how can i put file in the app right now?

[normal mist]

Its really bad

[late aspen]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[floral cloud]

if i doing 'live logs'

i have to do dung and after dung there will be logs y?

[amber blaze]

Does someone has a weak aura displaying all the available means to obtain keys for delves in the current week ?

I know there is like 8 caches but I seem to know only half of them

[subtle field]

you can only get 4 keys per week

[amber blaze]

I know

But isn't there more caches to do ?

[subtle field]

basicalyl everythign that rewards you a chest grants you a key if oyu havent had 4 yedt

[vestal wren]

you can do the echos with the essences you got from caches

basically giving you ~25-30 key fragments back

so another key per week

[dense glen]

What’s the rough dps difference of whetstone rank 3 vs bubbling wax? Trying to figure out if I should just farm wax instead of buying stones.

[vestal wren]

but keys are fairly meh

you want maps, they can drop in the blue chests of bountiful delves

they add a extra cache at the end of your next run

with heroic track gear

^

[twin spoke]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

oh you dont need a key for the maps wtf

?

i wasnt bothering w bountifuls cus i didnt wanna get keys

[vestal wren]

no

[novel star]

should do those

[vestal wren]

but you only get the maps in bountiful

or via luck if you manage to spawn the elite on one of the empowered packs

(and survive it)

[novel star]

knew maps were only from bountiful

just assumed it was like

key chest

[vestal wren]

the key chests give you normal level gear

so lower than maps

[novel star]

i only got one map and forgot which chest dropped it lmao

mhm

[vestal wren]

still okay for early gearing

[novel star]

cba

tbh

[vestal wren]

keys kinda got useless

with raid release

[novel star]

ye

[vestal wren]

but maps

are so rare, i did 50+ delves for my first

[novel star]

i got one like before raid

and havent had one since

but i also havent really been running bountifuls i just assumed they were effectively weekly since key quests

fuggg

outlaw time

[normal mist]

my guild mate rogue got like 3 maps yesterday

2 on the same run

LOL

[novel star]

aint no way man

[vestal wren]

they are unique

so can only have one at the time

[normal mist]

get 1, activate it, get another i assume its possible

[pure moth]

Should be, yes

[vestal wren]

ye

[normal mist]

my guy is swimming in hero gear by now

meanwhile i only dropped 1 and i got a piece where i already had hero.... tier....

but after all the changes, soloing 8s is easy

brann healer carries

[past forum]

Supposedly Brann isn’t tanky anymore but I still tricks him and he’s yet to die

[vestal wren]

even 11 is fine

but you need to care, some things hurt

[floral cloud]

Can i get it only from delve?

[whole wadi]

are there any resources with what things evasion / cloak works on in the current s1 dungeon pool

[vestal wren]

yes

[floral cloud]

any delve?

[safe shale]

Why do our sims still use vanish ambush?

Like what causes a sim to change/fix its rotation?

[hoary remnant]

Yes and tbf one of the best delves trinkets

[hoary remnant]

Yes

[weary verge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[jovial idol]

No. You can get is also from the Vault

[safe shale]

By doing delves...

[jovial idol]

Yes, but from the vault also

Not just from the delve itself

[safe shale]

Only if you delves

[jovial idol]

Yeah

You do delves and then loot the vault

That's how the vault works

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spring moat]

for council do we run ST spec or caustic spec? since they share health pools? we got 2 warriors and 2 hunters and a mage in group. i try and swap to bugs and they die too fast lmao

[normal mist]

don't swap

just caustic hit bosses

[spring moat]

should i even worry bout crimson tempest? or nah?

[lusty mountain]

did they "fix" the stealth with the affix? just played a m+ without any issue

[zenith prairie]

is there a healthstone/health potion macro that works?

like use stone before potion

[manic quartz]

Does mindnumbing poison work on bosseS?

[subtle tundra]

i love grim batolling

[fallen arch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[harsh cliff]

yes

[sullen hearth]

MY MIND IS NUMB

[slate crown]

big same

[wicked valve]

Holy moley, I was sleepin on assassin in M+. Finally ditched outlaw and sin slappin booty

[slate crown]

It's pretty nice and once you get into it it's chill too. Having mobs die during your majors, as they're target based, sucks, but you can still maintain and do decent dam outside of those majors.

CT hits real hard

[viscid kelp]

Outlaw is definitely harder to play but does more dmg after you get the hang of it

[slate crown]

yeah but it's outlaw

your name changed

from red to yellow

as I replyed

[viscid kelp]

Ofc

Switched sides

[slate crown]

[viscid kelp]

[viscid kelp]

One plays based on cooldowns the other plays around proccs

If you are unlucky with the proccs its joever

Sin is more consistent

[wicked valve]

If outlaw still had extra range on melee id be there,

[orchid gust]

can i use same wep enchantment on both wep?

[deft quiver]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[slate crown]

Yes, but i don't know what type of enchantment you're referring to, there are multiple concepts for weapon enchantments

[uneven rover]

Hey hey im new and got a small question there are some classes which has natural downtime but im looking for a class which always hast something to press in which category would assa be? Always something to press or Natural downtime

[crisp pine]

downtime

[spice surge]

Assa has a lot of downtime

[ornate grotto]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[uneven rover]

Rip x.x

[crisp pine]

you probably want outlaw

[slate crown]

Assa is probably

[crisp pine]

if you wanna press buttons

[snow harness]

Outlaw = lots of buttons

[crisp pine]

god they love their buttons

[slate crown]

Assa is like probably the quintessential example of wow specs

[orchid gust]

iam refering to this,

[slate crown]

which has natural downtime

[orchid gust]

iam mainly playing m +

[slate crown]

and doesn't have something to press every gcd

[orchid gust]

shouldi use radiant power

on both?

[uneven rover]

Alright thank you very much for the fast and helpful answers

[slate crown]

You are capable of apply the same enchant to both weapons and it works just fine, there's nothing technically wrong with that.

You can pick whichever you want. If you're mainly playing M+, you should do double radiant power. If you do 50/50 or a mixture, do one of each. and if you mainly raid, do 2x depths.

Or, if you're lucky and have gold, just get multiple weapons and swap between them

Or, don't worry about any of this and just use Radiant Power because it's probably good enough for raid anyways and gives the benefit of m+ power

[spice surge]

If you have 2 of the same enchant you just get 2x the amount of stats from it

[earnest bridge]

Whats everyone gone with craft wise. I crafted wrists but am conflicted between waist/boots/main hand

[limber lion]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spare shoal]

!faq

[earnest bridge]

yeah I've seen that but just curious what everyone has gone with

[slate crown]

!guide - FAQs for assa here basically just link to the guides because they'd be managed by the same people and it would be duplicative information

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spare shoal]

Hey fellow stabbers, are we saving Echoing Reprimand for the kingsbane window?

[slate crown]

No

You press on Cd when you need to press a builder

Just send it

[spare shoal]

thank you fellow cat profile enjoyer

[slate crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/816403895210606693/817586492985311232/image0.gif

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-roll-dark-souls-roll-somersault-gif-26164281

[snow harness]

So long as I level an item to 616 (example) within the Champion tier, another piece of gear in that same slot in the same champion tier should only cost valor stones when upgrading to 616, right?

[fallen arch]

Yes

So ‘wasting’ crests isn’t that much of an issue

[snow harness]

I was gonna upgrade my tinket and was wondering if my other trinket could be upgraded just using stones

Since they're in the same champion bracket

[mint urchin]

No for rings, weps, and trinkets both slots have to be that ilvl

[woven shore]

Rogue sucks

[novel star]

yep

[woven shore]

... If you are bad

[regal delta]

anyone has a weak aura that will yell at me when rupture or garrote is about to fall off

[rose sun]

Anyone able to look at a log of mine from last night

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FJvt1wZqQBMdh4Aa#fight=8

My rogue is Xalatath

[novel star]

[rose sun]

I thought I was doing good but I parsed quiet low 😦

[slate crown]

!wa all of these packs have icons for rupture/garrote and glow when they are low on duration

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

If you literally want it to yell at you, you can add a sound condition to the auras, but I would imagine that would get overbearing

[snow harness]

Just use "Hey, Listen" from Navi :p

[novel star]

not very good at log analysis but first thing that sticks out is your opener is weird (first reprimand at 17s and a max 4cp envenom here?) and ur pressing poisoned knife / fan ever

also using tea outside of cds is bad

your envenom uptime is quite low

uhh

[rose sun]

I was told to not use FON due to the talent I use

[novel star]

yeah youre not supposed to with VV

but you do in that pull

minor thing tho

[raven panther]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[novel star]

env uptime is prolly pretty big that bitch should be near 90

urs is at 78

[rose sun]

Yea I need to get something to track that more

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

whispyrs edit is nice if you wanna full wa pack

otherwise just make your own little thingy i guess

[rose sun]

I feel like I was pressing it every chance I could when I had 4 CP

[novel star]

that is very bad

you arent supposed to press envenom every time youre able to and youre not supposed ot press any finisher at 4cp ever

its 5cp minimum

[rose sun]

I use whispers WA

[novel star]

and only when the buff is in pandemic unless you're in cooldowns

if you hit any finisher under 5cp youre not flipping coins / cycling deathstalkers mark

and your damage goes

📉 📉 📉 📉

hard

ur also just losing a bunch of envenom casts somewhere

[earnest bridge]

quick question about caustic splatter

[novel star]

which might be due to the mark thing cause popping DN gives you some energy

[tacit otter]

you also have to take into consideration youre quite 'low' ilvl compared to many other rogues out there. also df enchants.

[rose sun]

I did get hit with the mechanic a few times so had to run out

[proven basin]

Hi all, should i pop shiv right before kingsbane

[earnest bridge]

after I establish my 5 garrotes/ruptures, should I basically be tab mutilate, tab mutilate to apply it on as many mobs as possible?

[proven basin]

or after

[spice surge]

Its limited to 1 target

So no

[woven shore]

And imagine thats a 70log wtf

[earnest bridge]

thank you, I've been wasting so much energy

[woven shore]

What the fuck

[timid marsh]

whats the name of the whetstones ?

[woven shore]

Now im realising that im REALLY bad what the fuck

[novel star]

During what i assume is a moment you got marked with the mechanic you decided to throw poisoned knives instead of pooling energy and stepping back in to use that energy on more mutilates/envenoms

which is not ideal

i also like pressing the knife button so i get it but like

[rose sun]

Yes I think that is what I did

[novel star]

its not actually good even though it feels like it is

just 40 energy per cast going to absolute africa

for zero dps

not the vibe

[icy oxide]

whats the easiest delve to stealth run as a rogue? got maxed Brann just want for my vault

[novel star]

your garrote uptime is also super low

garrote and rupture should both be like as close to 100% uptime as you can

top prio

but garrote is under 80

[proven basin]

should I save both shiv casts for after I pop Kingsbane? Or pop one just before Kingsbane and the other after for maintanance

[novel star]

real bad

[vital haven]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax (when it works) is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• MANY BUGS YEP
• Doesn't stack (only apply to one weapon)
• Sometimes just won't work in offhand (apply it to your left slot, whetstone on the right slot)
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip
• Some hitbox weirdness because it's an AoE effect and it won't actually hit adds, especially on larger bosses
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with ""Brax's Brass Knuckles"", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start ""Go Take Candle"". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds"

[novel star]

no bleeds no energy no dmg

[vital haven]

wait so you are telling everytime i die in m+ plus and raid i have to unequip and requip my weap with bubbling wax?

[novel star]

so yeh idk focus on better bleed+env buff uptime and stop pressing 4cp finishers / drinking teas outside burst / throwing knives

[woven shore]

Your opener should be

Ambush, Garrot, Rapture
Slice and dice, ER ( i personally mutilate until 5 cp then envenom or ER procc)
Death Mark , shiv , thistle tea+ race+ dmg pot , kingsbane , mutilate for 5cp+ or ER procc then envenom and at 4sec left on garrot Vanish into garrot

👍

I personally use a macro on deathsmark

[rotund oak]

soneone's been studying

thats the way

[woven shore]

No im bad

I forget

Keep an eye on your deathstalkers mark

[novel star]

@rose sun this is my lazy analysis tldr basically lmao

scuffed opener just means u need to read that part of the guide and practice it for a bit

[woven shore]

I think when you use deathsmark, kingsbane you need 7 cp to refresh deathstalkers mark

[novel star]

but also ye ur prio is all over the place if ur letting bleeds fall to do anything else

[woven shore]

Oli

Do you think its okay to use rapture on 1-4 cp

[rotund oak]

ive personally gave alot of attention on deathstalkers mark rather than the bleeds,its the highest priority rn,i think my uptime is osmehting like 75% in keys rn

[woven shore]

I sometimes do it when my cd are coming up

[rotund oak]

had keys close to 80

[woven shore]

To deal max dmg with kingsbane+ deathsmark with envenom stuff

[novel star]

uhh if you have to ig

[woven shore]

Brother you need mouseover macro

That's fucking me up i swear

[celest helm]

!embellish

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[woven shore]

I always forget to get Mouseover Kick macro and mouseover Rapture , Garrots

[rotund oak]

ive got all my skills on mod macros,my moseover is to swap them focus

[woven shore]

Could deal SO much more dmg while out performing my whole team

[novel star]

if ur bleeds are up for long enough to get through the burst window and then do a shitty rupture after youd rather do that than like send an overcapped rupture in advance

i think?

[woven shore]

Sometimes i send rapture on ER procc

[novel star]

i mean thats fine if its time to refresh rupture anyway

still cycles mark

[wild kettle]

what build did poeple play on ovi'nax ?

[woven shore]

And ALSO
In my opinion prio is to rapture BEFORE 0 stacks of deathstalkers mark

Because after opener running low on energy then rapture down

Im sure alot of people fuck this up

[rotund oak]

if u rupture to trigger DN

[novel star]

depends on your comp, you should default to using crimson tempest + spatter imo and switch off to only spatter if your group has enough add damage (on heroic they very likely will)

[woven shore]

Last stack i usually use to rapture

[rotund oak]

its good eough ye

depends tbh

[woven shore]

Whatever

[rotund oak]

there are times that u dont rly need to

[woven shore]

I have 85+ logs but ovinax 75

[rotund oak]

coz u might have to chain into vanish anyway

[woven shore]

Im so bad

[novel star]

idk about that rupture before mark thing tbh

[woven shore]

[novel star]

it makes sense but also like

[rotund oak]

raid doesnt give loot though

[novel star]

youre kinda cope relying on sbs/er there right

[rotund oak]

😅

[woven shore]

I swear

[novel star]

which you could just crit past anyway

so

[rotund oak]

i dont mind man,im happy u do

rly

[woven shore]

Yea but energy gain

[novel star]

definitely if you have DN envenom is prio over rupture and losing rupture uptime sucks

but like losing rupture uptime always sucks

not unique to that situation

[woven shore]

Noooo
I mean 1/3 Dsm then rapture into dn

[novel star]

ye ik wym

[woven shore]

Ah ok

[novel star]

im just saying

if ur sending a shitty overcapped rupture to do that

its not worth

[rotund oak]

ive u have DN buff and u max rup u are trolling

[wild kettle]

sorry i ment on mythic that big guild assa rogues used

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

kush and exile took off CT to go vv+spatter for boss dam

but they also both started with ct and changed to spatter cause their comps had like fuckin 4 frost dks and 2 fury wars and shit

so it depends

[woven shore]

Sorry i forget to mention that i only send it if i have like a 14sec rapture up and running low on energy

I try to send a 1-5cp rapture

[novel star]

pressing rupture when your rupture is at 14seconds is just bad

[wild kindle]

why isnt deathstalker mark a buff on the player rather than buff on the mob?? this bricks so often when the boss goes immune in a dungeon or smth

[novel star]

because at best you waste like 8 seconds of rupture for the energy and cp you spent

and you dont want to do that

[novel star]

it has to be a buff on the mob for the spec to work

have u read the talents other than the mark itself

[wild kindle]

yes

[woven shore]

Even if i run at risk to run out of rapture during DN duo to energy problems?

[wild kindle]

just make it so when ure buffed ur AA deal the plague dmg etc

can be a stacking buff

simple as

[vale shore]

you should get Darkest Night every 15 seconds if you dont have deathstalkers mark up

[novel star]

that would be broken lol

[vale shore]

that would fix that about the spec

no it woudnt

[novel star]

not u

other guy

[vale shore]

oh

[novel star]

but yours would also be bad

[vale shore]

how so?

[novel star]

just not as bad

[vale shore]

just a safety net so you cant be locked out of your entire hero tree

[vale shore]

by the boss jumping onto a platform to rp or something

[floral cloud]

Guys what do u think about this trinket?

it is good?

[vale shore]

I use it

at 613

[floral cloud]

have this two now

[keen spruce]

Fang very strong at ilvl

[vale shore]

I have the Serum as well

[grim jay]

as good as your sims tell you

[vale shore]

hate the cast time

[novel star]

having to do something to start the darkest night shit is good imo bcz the buff itself is also just broken its not exclusively a tool to reapply mark

you get a giga envenom for free

[vale shore]

not if deathstalkers mark falls off

[crisp pine]

Just vanish man

Just use vanish

[novel star]

how do you rework singular focus then

[vale shore]

okay, thats good for every two minutes

[novel star]

this shit cant work without it being a debuff

and its pretty impactful

[crisp pine]

If your mark falls off more than once every 2 minutes it's a you problem

[floral cloud]

so in highest ilvl fang would be better?

[vale shore]

there are PLENTY of target switches in dungeons and raids

[subtle tundra]

*if your mark falls off.

[floral cloud]

sims tell me those 2 i wearkign is better

[novel star]

based

[floral cloud]

but need to sim in 606 ilvl and see

[novel star]

then trust the sims

[crisp pine]

fair actually

[novel star]

equip whatever the sim told you to equip

none of us are gonna be more accurate than the sim

[vale shore]

use the fang in place of the serum, using two on-use trinks is onerous

[novel star]

i mean i would agree to use a passive instead of double onuse especially when one is serum which is actually kinda weird to use properly

but

[vale shore]

its gimped on passive stats too

unless you like haste

[novel star]

assassination likes everything

[rotund oak]

true a bit less maybe vers

[vale shore]

it likes everything less than it like just streight agility

[novel star]

well yeah

but what does serum give you

a really large amount of straight agility

[vale shore]

not as much agility as anothe trinket of its ilvl

im talking passive stats, not its on-use

[novel star]

why are you making shit up rn

[limber lion]

Oli...

[novel star]

i mean yeah but most of our damage is in our burst 😭

[vale shore]

there are better on-uses that dont have cast times attached to trinkets that give more agility passively

[novel star]

wassup

what i do

[limber lion]

Just said he makes shit up when he isn't

But yeh

[novel star]

didnt realize they were talking ab only passive stats when saying that

[limber lion]

A lot of trinkets have less primary stat passively because of a strong effect

[novel star]

yeh

just was alr tabbed out looking at the trinket on wowhead

[novel star]

before this msg

[vale shore]

I am stuck with the serum until I get a good dungeon or raid trinket

the stunning cast time is a pain

[novel star]

using serum + mandate cant stop me

[limber lion]

But yeah one passive and one active is the way to go

[novel star]

double onuse double cast time

cope

[crisp pine]

Hell yea

[novel star]

(im using skardyns sac)

[vale shore]

with a 30 second shared cd in between

[crisp pine]

wait I'm unironically using serum mandate

I got baited

[sacred wolf]

Is it a bad idea to craft 2x daggers? Haven't been able to find any above 590ilvl

[novel star]

a two min / one min trinket combo is pretty chill tho

like uhh

[limber lion]

Yes

[vale shore]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

skardyns and sikran trink or something

[novel star]

yes, only your mainhand ilvl matters

[crisp pine]

mandate is one minute if you snipe smile

[limber lion]

Offhand weapons for us are super bad

[novel star]

offhand is piss damage

[limber lion]

It is the last thing you should ever upgrade basically

or on par with stuff like wrists

[novel star]

mh dagger is like the most important craft but oh sucks balls

[limber lion]

super whatever

[vale shore]

you carry an offhand dagger just to keep that hand busy

[limber lion]

!offhand

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[glossy grove]

!

[limber lion]

Good command

[sacred wolf]

Ah I see, thanks

[limber lion]

lul

[novel star]

i need gilded crests man i have this fucking grief spark dagger i made like week 1

and cant use it

[vale shore]

the offhand dagger is carried incase there is cheese cake

[novel star]

and cant get gilded cus im pugging shit

[crisp pine]

just pug +9s lol

[novel star]

surely i get invites

i cant get in a 5 brah

30 dps apply in 2 sec

[vale shore]

run your own key

[wild kettle]

do you happen to have link for that build i really dont know what talents they took off and stuff sorry for asking stupid questions

[rotund oak]

que ur own keys bruh

[vale shore]

then you wil be the belle of the ball

[rotund oak]

1 did ksm in 1 day

[novel star]

yeah its on wowhead sec

[rotund oak]

all my keys 😄

[limber lion]

We made a group yesterday for +4 Mists and couldn't get a single person in in like 20 minutes

Then we did something else for a bit and remade the group

And suddenly there were like 10 applicants instantly

shit's fucking weird

[novel star]

ppl wont apply to groups that are too old i think

cus it just looks bricked

when it says group has been open for like 5+ min

[limber lion]

Yeah but that's not what I'm talking about

[novel star]

and theyre not in a dungeon alrdy

[limber lion]

I'm saying we made 2 groups

one got 10+ applicants instantly

[novel star]

yeah i know

[limber lion]

One didn't get a single one ever

[novel star]

prolly just got unlucky on the first one

or it was bugged if u mean zero zero

[limber lion]

Literally 0 yeah

[novel star]

dam

[limber lion]

That's why it's weird

LFG has been bugging out for a bunch of people

[novel star]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/nerub-ar-palace-raid-tips#broodtwister-ovinax

[limber lion]

Can't search for specific keys either unlucko

[grim jay]

many people also didnt see that their filters got changed

[wild kettle]

thanks

[grim jay]

and every new dungeon is filtered out

[turbid crest]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

if ur raid doesnt need the tempest you would just get rid of it and spec into like

lightweight shiv and imp poisons or whatever

[royal lantern]

you know how you can type, idk, +7 into the search window and it only shows +7 keys?

sometimes that complettely breaks and just doesnt show some dungeons at all

GB RUN #24 LETS GO TRINKET FOR SURE THIS TIME

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

i almost dont even wanna keep running gb since i cant get in +7s pugging

if it drops ill still be sad that its champ

[sinful fable]

How much does chainpulling hurt us in m+ assuming we dont get to restealth?

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[novel star]

it doesnt

[rotund oak]

u dont need high lvl to get into a 7 fren

[grim jay]

just get more rio

[rotund oak]

u can do it with like 608 or something

[scenic plank]

Chainpulling does nothing, dragging >10%hp mobs to next pull is annoying

[rotund oak]

or less

[royal lantern]

tbf, GB is a shitshow anyway except if you are expectionaly high

[novel star]

you do to get invites when theres 35 other dps next to u

[royal lantern]

cus there are TONS of people trying to get into it

[novel star]

yeh

[royal lantern]

best trinkets for like, 50% of specs

[novel star]

get more io is the real answer

i should be doing that

but i dont want to

[rotund oak]

click on the dungeon finder fren and start ur own group or ask form guildies

[royal lantern]

based and real

fuck m+

[rotund oak]

i dont have gb trinket either

[rotund oak]

true and real

[novel star]

guildies recently arent on until im like asleep

[rotund oak]

also love u coz i can

[novel star]

so

nothing to do there

[rotund oak]

ive jumped off the ship,aint focusing on raids for now

m+ and pvp

lets go

much more fun

[keen elk]

I’m on my 22’d +2-6 GB since Tuesday and haven’t seen one drop either lol

[rotund oak]

definitely on ur vault fam

[keen elk]

Lolol

[rotund oak]

ive seen it drop once

[keen elk]

Our outlaw rogue got one for his sin set early in the week and one of our hunters got one on his first run lol

[rotund oak]

yup it was a hunter on my group as well but it was a +4 was whatever

i dont rly care for anything less than hero track at this point

[grim jay]

I only thought about getting it on my 3rd run and just looted it

idk

skill issue

smh my head

[keen elk]

Yeah I keep asking myself if it’s even worth it since we’ll be farming 9’s eventually lol

[rotund oak]

😂

[digital venture]

Guys. If I macro thistle tea with shiv in a macro is there a way to make the macro just cast 1 thistle and one shiv if I spam the macro?

[balmy condor]

No

[rotund oak]

hi bb

[balmy condor]

Morning

[digital venture]

Not even if I do a cast sequence that is reset after like 8 secs (shiv duration)?

[balmy condor]

Well then you can’t really spam the button can you

[digital venture]

I just want to be able to spam it until both thistle and shiv are used cuz thistle is off the GCD and shiv isn't x)

[balmy condor]

Also I’m going to be honest I have no clue about the intricacies of cast sequence macros because the only time I’ve seen them used is to either troll or omegafuck a rotation

[digital venture]

Fair enough, I'll just stop being a boomer and bind both keys x)

[grim jay]

I've heard @earnest remnant is the god of castsequence abominations

[earnest remnant]

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

He’s right

[subtle tundra]

ahaha some pug got this

[grim jay]

thats rough

[spice spire]

Rough

I have to do this rat GB eventually.
But it’s the worst level (4)

[subtle tundra]

im helping guildie anyways im done

[grim jay]

cant physically handle ara kara rn

so I'm using the dawnbreaker one

[subtle tundra]

i want to get siege of boralus

[spice spire]

Ara Kara is fine

Unless you run 3 melee

In which case the last boss can fuck RIGHT off

[grim jay]

glad you immediately got the issue

[spice spire]

Ran it with some goats on a rat ass 2 to push someone’s key

Came into last boss with 15 minutes

Wiped 3 times to one chest a free key

[grim jay]

oh boy

had a rough situation earlier aswell

did a 10 city, 8.5 min for last boss + the 2 trash mobs

someone didnt kick the webbolt

I died

shit escalated

deplete

[spice spire]

10 city

Final boss damage

[pallid spear]

Does anyone know why exactly we do not consume clear the witness when talented into vicious venoms? considering damage per global and energy spent im struggling to understand the reasoning behind this

[grim jay]

for rogue its kinda fine if you run elusiveness

the hunter wasnt quite up for the task tho

[spice surge]

Because mutilate does more damage

And generates more combo points

[pallid spear]

at best it is 1 more cp but it does around 50k less dmg with my current gear

[grim jay]

it doesnt account for all the talents brother

[spice spire]

Bring it back

At best

It generates 2 more

A double crit mut grants 4 while a crit fok grants 2

[ashen rover]

@spice spire I think it's the one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KYT6wx91jgMpkJcX#fight=last&type=damage-done

[pallid spear]

my bad, was comparing both "best cases"

[spice spire]

Wrong @ but yeah @spice surge can you thread this I got it

[spice spire]

So was I

[ashen rover]

missclicked

[grim jay]

you still have doomblades additional damage thats not accounted for, for example
and systemic failure, depending on how you tested

[spice spire]

Happens

[feral mason]

man CoT is such a bad dungeon

[pallid spear]

But clear the witness crit is 3 no?

[feral mason]

feels like they didnt want to put effort into designing a proper dungeon

and just made this instead

[normal mist]

Guys i hate M+ in general, but i Hate it even more this expansion.

[grim jay]

idk, imo its better than the last 2 combined