#assassination

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balmy condor
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I just said it's 1% overall

waxen oyster
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I guess if a boss makes you fear losing your DN

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you could just hold the vanish?

balmy condor
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yeah I mean it's kinda close to triadic

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so I'm thinking maybe I can sneak it by moving the blue over

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and then everything fits

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perhaps

mighty crown
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what happened to my class

balmy condor
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no dooming exile

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I'm doing color theory

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this is important

mighty crown
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my bad 3am is no dooming hour

keen spruce
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wait for inevitable assas nerfs in a week or two smile_dog

waxen oyster
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if you checked last week

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people saying outlaw op

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now

keen spruce
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also go to bed DinkDonk

balmy condor
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Outlaw was shit until people played it and then it was op and then it got a 2% nerf and now it’s shit again

waxen oyster
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its a 2% nerf including tier

agile gull
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Are the cleave and bleed m+ builds in any way viable at the moment ?

hallow pelican
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And assassin is … mid?

mighty crown
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it wasn’t good last week imo just heroic week diff

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and no one had tier

balmy condor
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Also possible

waxen oyster
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yeah but people like jerking off week 1 wcl

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of hc

mighty crown
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i guess sub also caught an unintended ST nerf too but yea

balmy condor
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At the end of the day community is just dumb

waxen oyster
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which nerf

balmy condor
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Just kill boss :3

mighty crown
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always comes back to assa bc every other spec can’t press feint/crimson vial on cd and not lose infinity dps LMAO

waxen oyster
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at least whispyr you dont have to deal with the "but outlaw simming the highest" questions

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20x a day

mighty crown
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the deathstalker thing that affects assa also hurts sub

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was what i mean

crystal bobcat
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what craft good for assasin ?

keen spruce
prisma monolithBOT
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

runic hinge
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plenty of time to press feint while you wait for 70% energy

waxen oyster
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shouldnt it affect sub more

mighty crown
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can’t press feint in dance

waxen oyster
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since they can get mark up more than sin can

mighty crown
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well you can but

balmy condor
mighty crown
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it would suck bad

waxen oyster
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cant feint in crackshot

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xdddd

runic hinge
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too bad they took away feint for damage trickster

waxen oyster
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"i wont feint in dance heal me"

mighty crown
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based

zealous wolf
mighty crown
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except i spec’d assa instead

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otherwise floorpov

zealous wolf
mighty crown
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well i still was floorpov for a few hrs today LMAO

waxen oyster
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yeah if outlaw werent so tanky

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i feel it'd die alot more

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due to not feinting

mighty crown
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idk how this boss proc’d the blaze lines not being feintable

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like that’s wild because it worked on fyrakk iirc?

waxen oyster
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wait they arent?

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its the same mechanic recolored

mighty crown
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not without elusiveness no

waxen oyster
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ok fuck i've been inting globals

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pressing feint

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and yes feint did work on fyrak blaze iirc

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was a good safety net from terrorists

mighty crown
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double hit with elusiveness feint up atm is a one shot

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cloak is the only way to live any cleave situation

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maybe if ur actually 100% hp not sure

waxen oyster
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So just instagib if you're a shaman or hunter player

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taking those raw

mighty crown
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idk i watched impec stand in the cone cleave with blaze and live so that guy is a TANK

waxen oyster
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ovinaxx looks like stress central as melee

spice spire
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built diff

waxen oyster
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good thing they removed long arms

runic hinge
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melee had it too good for too long

spice spire
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real

waxen oyster
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I remember when casters had to actually cast

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then i woke up

steel ridge
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No feint in dance is based af

waxen oyster
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i mean feinting in dance is int

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as hell

steel ridge
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heal me senpai

waxen oyster
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and crackshot is basically dance

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but with a gun

steel ridge
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and crack

waxen oyster
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kir copers

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when they ss 4x with no proc

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and say this spec is good

steel ridge
waxen oyster
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oh

steel ridge
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but sometimes you just wanna live

waxen oyster
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yeah you just proc caut

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and flame healer

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tbh

mint valve
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is the trinket from stonevault any good for us?

spice spire
ashen scroll
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Alter time is off the gcd. You just pray its not a 1 shot

waxen oyster
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wait

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alter is off gcd

clever sapphire
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Man i opened dc and got scared by all the yellow. Then i realised i had outlaw channel open pepeclown

waxen oyster
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?????

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BRUH

ashen scroll
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Always has been

waxen oyster
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i could have sworn it was on gcd

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maybe im thinking when it was a dps ability too

ashen scroll
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Yeah i didn't play mage back then

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So ig not always has been

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Always has been since SL

waxen oyster
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yeah it used to

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snapshot your dps buffs

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so mages would troll racial

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alter back

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get full value

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and trinket procs

ashen scroll
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LOL

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Yeah that sounds balanced af

waxen oyster
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yeah old alter used to save

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all your buffs

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including dps procs

pulsar apex
balmy condor
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Full 255-0-255

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I mean I don’t blame him, the default hex code colors are kinda doggers

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But Jesus fuck

pulsar apex
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And in Quazii vid he says to change the colours you need to go through each mob one-by-one. In Vesperal he says just shift click when changing one mob and it will change all mobs with same colour. Maybe new feature or maybe Quazii just didn’t know.

normal mist
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I was already sleeping profoundly

balmy condor
runic hinge
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Just got 3 maps in 2 delves

normal mist
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Wtf

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I got my first map yesterday

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Which gave me a copy of my ONLY hero piece

runic hinge
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I got one from the first delve i did, zekvir showed up in the second and dropped another and a third dropped at the end of the second delve, 2 delves and 3 maps

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gave me this, which is nice cause my trinkets are NOT good

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wait nvm that's somehow worse than the 593 shadowed essence???????

thin furnace
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I also got that trink, no main stat only crit and damage proc

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Same with illidan dagger, no secondary stats only proc

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Bad stuff 😦

runic hinge
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1.6% worse than this? that's crazy

thin furnace
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Mine is worse than a 587 agi+crit proc candle

shell lodge
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!craft

prisma monolithBOT
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

balmy condor
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Fix him

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What do we pay you for

winged widget
mighty crown
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i actually wish it was

normal mist
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Wrong gif

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AHHHHHHH

balmy condor
normal mist
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It's there any festival buff / quest you accepted from the festival?

winged widget
mighty crown
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coup gcd makes me explode

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mental boom

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i get 3 coups in burst window and then miss the sectech in flag by 0.1 sec

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big tilter

balmy condor
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I thought you were about to be based

mighty crown
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LOL

balmy condor
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Coup gcd makes me explode too, in my pants

mighty crown
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I don’t mind slowing down a bit but when it makes doing your rotation properly harder

balmy condor
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Shit feels incredible

spice spire
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dog?

balmy condor
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Ngl

mighty crown
spice spire
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HUH

balmy condor
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Brother that gcd

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Is meaty

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And if there’s something I like

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It’s meat

spice spire
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don't I know it

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but also

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what the fuck is wrong with u

mighty crown
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i don’t play with dmg numbers so i can’t tell rly

winged widget
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yeah but secret tech is "meatier". shadow clone jutsu makes my young otaku self smile

balmy condor
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That’s my streamer

mighty crown
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my gcd could do 500m dmg

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i wouldn’t know

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cuz it’s hidden Baseg

balmy condor
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YES

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PREACH

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TALK YO SHIT

mighty crown
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will be showing it on ansurek so i know if i’m cleaving ads with spatter/nimble flurry tho so

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gg

spice spire
weak hemlock
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Hi, I am trying assa rogue. And the guides I am checking says that if I am using Dragon-Tempered Blades I should use 3 poisons. Why not use 4 poisons?

fleet pagoda
lime delta
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if I catalyst a helm with a socket will the tier piece inherit the socket?

fleet pagoda
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yes

lime delta
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pog

blazing pumice
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is it worth casting kingsbane/shiv in large pulls with no priority target?

balmy condor
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yes

weak hemlock
balmy condor
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very much so

balmy condor
blazing pumice
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maybe I'm dumb but what is the damage buff interaction for aoe

balmy condor
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I have nothing good to say

balmy condor
blazing pumice
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ah

balmy condor
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big spatter damage

blazing pumice
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idk there doesn't seem to a big difference between pulls where I have deathmark/kb up and those where I don't

balmy condor
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really? the burst is very noticeably higher for me

timber vessel
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Are you KBing the spatter target

blazing pumice
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yes

balmy condor
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I mean just on concept, kingsbane spatter and double amp poison from deathmark is big

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double amp poison is just flat out another 35% on the procced env

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which is like

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a lot

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it's a pretty big kaboom

severe oyster
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Really depends on the comp too though. If I'm running with friends all the spatter targets are dead before my kingsbane goes off on prio targets lol

blazing pumice
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that probably is it too, these 7 keys are kind of pissy

tacit otter
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7zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

balmy condor
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same

fleet pagoda
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I parsed well on Sikran and beans on Nexus-Pwincess uwu. make it make sense pepehands

winged widget
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is there anything bugged about Bubbling Wax? thought i saw someone talking about it yesterday somewhere

oak eagle
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than you did on nexus

balmy condor
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and it doesn't stack

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and it breaks if you die

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and it also sometimes maybe doesn't work in your offhand

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and there's also maybe some hitbox issues cause it's an aoe

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where big hitbox enemies

oak eagle
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so what your saying

balmy condor
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just don't take damage

oak eagle
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is dont use it

balmy condor
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I'm saying it's bugged in so many ways it's hard to keep the bugs apart

winged widget
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I see, I see

balmy condor
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some of those bugs are probably overlapping

severe oyster
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Are sims working properly for delve trinkets? The two I have are simming less than 1% than dungeon trinkets. Except the on use mastery one

winged widget
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well, it's still 0 gold instead of a billion gold to stock on other weapon stuff, so the bugs are a fair compensation

severe oyster
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Finally got a trinket to drop on hero track and it wasn't an upgrade. Felt bad.

fleet pagoda
balmy condor
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the only reasonable delve trinket is ritual knife tbh

tacit otter
balmy condor
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everything else is just kinda meh

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but then again, blizzard said they would tune them

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after their recent trinket tuning

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so :))))

severe oyster
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I got the on use haste and the movement speed one.

balmy condor
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GOODIE GOODIE GUMDROPS

inner swift
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there a minimum haste for m+? or just sim everything as always XD

balmy condor
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no minimum no breakpoints no max no recommended no suggested no nothing

inner swift
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fair

balmy condor
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it's 2024

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we have evolved past minimums

inner swift
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nah

severe oyster
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Whatever percentage vibes the best. Go with that

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Real talk though. Bring back reforging Blizz.

balmy condor
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pls no

inland escarp
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😭

tender cedar
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how good is Siphoning Stiletto?

marble hemlock
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its terrible, dont craft it

normal mist
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can you see a trashbin?

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put it there

marble hemlock
normal mist
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It can yes, but not for you, you beautiful mfker

spice spire
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TELL THAT MAN ROYAL

zealous wolf
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
marble hemlock
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i look like a hobo atm

spice spire
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talk ur shit king

snow harness
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If I already have Mad Queen's Mandate, am I wanting egg or Skardyn's?

marble hemlock
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hobo king

snow harness
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Appreciate it

marble hemlock
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use skardyns with your CDs, and mandate whenever you can use it after

snow harness
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It's pretty fun to use. Seeing that 9m crit is juicy

limpid scaffold
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ug

raw cobalt
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!craft

prisma monolithBOT
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

kindred oriole
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!sheet

prisma monolithBOT
distant plinth
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
inner rapids
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If you multi spec, the craft is double dawnthread hands down no ?

craggy elbow
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are people running wihtout a trace build over echoing for m+ ?

hoary remnant
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That gives you the most options

inner rapids
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Even on Outlaw off hand ?

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That’s interesting

hoary remnant
hoary scroll
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In tirna scithe After First Boss in the maze if i Enter a new area in stealth it always gets me out of stealth. Any tips to avoid going out of stealth?

hoary remnant
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You gotta commit to either dagger or sword gameplay

blazing pumice
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stay back until the tank pulls

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this was just talked about 20 min ago

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if you look up

hoary scroll
blazing pumice
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the mobs spawning destealth

inner rapids
hoary remnant
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They are like 10k apart

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Which is nothing

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You doing 1 mill dps

craggy elbow
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i feel like thje without a trace build is better than echoing

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idk tho

inner rapids
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Thx anyways

hoary remnant
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There is no argument there echo does more damage

royal lantern
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no

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2nd vanish isnt even a "build"

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its straight up trolling for no reason

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like, there is no worse choice you can do in the entire game then that talent wise

zealous wolf
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i was watching whispyr's stream yesterday and he had an addon which was pointing out thing like "fixate on you" on bosses, does anyone know what addon does that? i dont think its a DMB, maybe a weak aura?

royal lantern
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picking 4other random talents is more benefical then taking the 4without a trace talents

royal lantern
zealous wolf
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hmm

verbal flower
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where do you find bubbling wax?

zealous wolf
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!wax

prisma monolithBOT
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Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

  • Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
  • The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
  • If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds
verbal flower
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tyty

ripe carbon
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also if u do it, search pickpocket macro it makes it easierw

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#showtooltip Pick Pocket
/targetenemy [harm][no dead]
/cast Pick Pocket
/cleartarget

cunning geyser
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Could someone explain to me why the top guilds prefer to bring assa over sub/outlaw that supposedly do more ST dps?

zealous wolf
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wdym? im watching echo prog and they have a sub rogue

cunning geyser
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ah right

zealous wolf
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also i think it depends on the fight

whole stratus
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i believe i didnt get an answer on this yesterday, does anyone know anything about this?

broken moth
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
warm vortex
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Have we tried just using stronger toxins to make our potions better

keen spruce
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using wut?

pliant remnant
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Have we tried just using stronger toxins to make our potions better

quartz lance
warm vortex
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Yea just add more stuff to the next batch

keen spruce
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you'd think that after killing literal gods and demons we'd be able to whip up a potion that gives more than 2600 agi

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and a thicc spooder lady wouldn't be that much of an issue

warm vortex
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True

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Best we can do is pour wax on our weapons

keen spruce
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wax that falls off after stabbing a few times

twin bolt
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
turbid crest
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Heya got a question

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On a pack

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why can't i garot ruptur garot ruptur

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into ambush after to proc my focus dps st

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if i garot rupture i lose my ambush

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i can't ambush

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when i see zerocool do it he can

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there is a talent ?

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bcs when tank doing setup , i can't start with ambush opn smallies

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it procs night traqu

zinc frost
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He plays subterfuge I believe

cerulean compass
zealous wolf
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use tricks and ambush?

turbid crest
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so i didnt have subterfuge

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there ?

cerulean compass
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nope

normal mist
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nope

turbid crest
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so my talents sucks

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so much

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holy

cerulean compass
normal mist
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?

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playing double vanish isnt good anyway

zinc frost
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Having ER doesn’t suck

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Just ambush first into your garrotes and ruptures

turbid crest
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you can't start with ambush

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on dj

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tank never taking big pull first

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so u delay ur dps 10s ?

twin bolt
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im not that experienced with assassination. do we have good dmg in m+ if kingsbane/deathmark is not ready?

zealous wolf
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what is dj?

normal mist
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no idea

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i thought of tiesto

zealous wolf
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xd

turbid crest
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can u put mouse on it

keen spruce
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I tink he meant DS

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subterfuge is far right

zealous wolf
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wiping on dj tiesto tonight

keen spruce
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2nd from the bottom

twin bolt
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okay, and if we open into a pack and like only kingsbane is ready, but not deathmark. do we start with kingsbane?

keen spruce
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class tree

turbid crest
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ho

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i see

keen spruce
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but also probably just don't use that

turbid crest
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its better to have subter on M+?

normal mist
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This is what zerocool does to the new guys

turbid crest
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right ?

zealous wolf
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no

cerulean compass
zealous wolf
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subter is ass

keen spruce
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stop linking it Despairge

cerulean compass
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I mean, @turbid crest

keen spruce
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whispyr gonna come in here and murder everyone

normal mist
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subterfuge / double vanish right now sucks balls

zinc frost
zealous wolf
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just copy everything from here

zealous wolf
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since you wont read talents

cerulean compass
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@turbid crest when you start a dungeon, just tricks on tanks then set up your ambush, if you play with a good tank, you could stealth between packs or just set up again with vanish

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But your mark is supposed to be up kinda on all packs so you can profite of your deathmark

bronze pike
turbid crest
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yeah but

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what i do

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if my tank

spice spire
# zinc frost Reminds me of when JPC played deathly shadows so everyone crafted that legendary...

Deathly Shadows isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a legendary with such a dps increase? DS puts the game on another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an item with this much of a raider IO increase for rogues again. Celerity breaks records. Master Assassin breaks records. Deathly Shadows breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

turbid crest
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didnt pull big , he connect after

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i put mark on smallies

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then i cannot switch on big one

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its ass ?

strong sleet
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Vanish

late surge
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if its smallies

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they die uick

turbid crest
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you cant vanish every pack

late surge
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u get darkest night

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gg

cerulean compass
turbid crest
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so i still funnel my smallies one

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to after switch big one

cerulean compass
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Yep just to get the darkest

turbid crest
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ok

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can i link me ur macro

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tricks pls

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on tank

zealous wolf
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xd

cunning needle
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!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
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Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
late surge
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pls play blackjack in keys big man

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its os fucking ip

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op*

cunning needle
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no i need it so i dont get aggro on pull

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because i am monkey

turbid crest
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Do u macro btw

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tea with kingsbane ?

normal mist
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not really

cerulean compass
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cause tea is like giving you so much mastery

turbid crest
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maestezry on kings sucks ?

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more dot = mor dmg

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so maestery good no ?

late surge
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u want tea for energy

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not mastery portion

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I mean u could pop with 3 tea stacks with cds

turbid crest
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So on a pack

late surge
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especially in m+

turbid crest
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you only tea if you have 3 stack

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to put 1 on cd ?

cerulean compass
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It's just a plus, you need to funnel envenoms

turbid crest
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or not at all

steel delta
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thoughts?

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I crafted this on my rogue

cerulean compass
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isn't like !guide

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!guide

late surge
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u tea for energy unless you have 3 stacks

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but yeah

cerulean compass
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go to these @turbid crest

late surge
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read guide please

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its really good

normal mist
late surge
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whispyr is goated

cerulean compass
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true

keen spruce
normal mist
late surge
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btw guys

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Im

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12 ara karas

steel delta
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exactly bro hahah

late surge
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0 trinkets

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do I swap class or wat

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xd

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sadge

keen spruce
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time to whip out the ol "how unlucky" spreadsheet

royal lantern
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why would you farm that trinket

late surge
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kekW

keen spruce
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let me go dust off that bad boy

royal lantern
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and not the grim batol one

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lol

late surge
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I do both

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just no gb groups rn

cerulean compass
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Guys thought on crafting with +4 to +8 crest ? I wanted to wait for +9 crest but I'm struggling doing keys with paggs

keen spruce
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oh i deleted it

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damn

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I'm not makin a new one

late surge
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I mean I remember plagufall

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took me 50 runs

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my dh friend needed 134 cos for the trinket kekW

#

he was not a happy camper

cunning cloak
#

I've gotten every piece of gear from gb except trinket sadge

#

And madge

late surge
#

yeah idk

#

my luck this tier is not great

#

but we move on

cunning cloak
#

And do moar gb.....

#

I did get ara trinket, I get the stuff I'm not farming

turbid crest
#

i taked macro tricks

#

but didnt tricks my tank on dj

#

what happened

twin bolt
#

do you ever open a pack directly with kingsbane or deathmark in m+ (considering one of them is ready?)?

turbid crest
twin bolt
#

or you guy always for a proper opener, listed for example by wowhead

normal mist
#

we bleed stuff first

#

before going into a burst

zealous wolf
#

damn ficelles du metier hits different

plucky plover
#

I have a question about enchants. I'm seeing wowhead recommend avoidance for the wrist slot, but leech looks like it could be great as well for the sustain. What are your thoughts?

limber lion
zealous wolf
#

!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
twin bolt
#

@normal mist so its normal for us to have a few seconds ramp up time, in ST and in AOE?

quartz cloak
limber lion
#

Avoidance directly reduces how much damage you take from AoE

limber lion
#

Our damage is not frontloaded like it is for some other specs in the game

#

Or rather, most specs specs in the game

zealous wolf
#

we are melee affli locks

quartz cloak
#

If you see there’s a DK popping on a big pull, save ur CDs for next one if there’s enough time until boss pull

cerulean compass
turbid crest
#

how the macro tricks works ?

#

it didnt tricks my tank in dj ?

cerulean compass
#

Mb just saw the WA

turbid crest
cerulean compass
raw zephyr
#

Hello, is there a section or file with useful Macros besides the basic ones on wowhead/icyviens?

turbid crest
#

nah

cerulean compass
turbid crest
#

fck me

cerulean compass
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
quartz cloak
cerulean compass
#

so dj

quartz cloak
#

🧐

thorn slate
#

Is there a reason nobody is crafting the Siphoning Stiletto dagger? the one with the onhit effect?

turbid crest
#

Do you think we can macro something when we press tab to get back our target with mark ?

blazing pumice
#

definitely not

royal lantern
#

does 0 dmg and you dmg yourself

#

lol

#

and it allready beginns

#

people that afk in town instead of just walking 20sec for GB

#

asking for a summon for 5min

#

🙂

#

i hate wow players

cerulean compass
#

Yep got it this morning tho, some are even doing professions until getting sum 🤡

fast mural
#

yo guys what are the best Trinkers for Sin, Grace and Ara kara?

worldly bridge
#

Hey why do we recomment wrist/belt over boots ?

grim jay
#

can craft boots just fine

worldly bridge
#

perfect 😄

grim jay
#

but adding a socket from the vault imo feels less ewww

#

if you know you wont replace the item

marble cradle
grim jay
#

(unless you get a mythic belt of course)

distant plinth
#

!up

twin bolt
#

i know that 2x dawnthread lining is preferred. but what if we want to go for a dagger coz of unlucky drops. how much off a loss is darkmoon sigil ascension?

normal mist
#

nothing MAJOR, a bit weaker in m+

subtle tundra
#

23% dps

#

you lose

twin bolt
#

I haven't played rogue for a long time, and assa fells kinda "slow". Not regarding the play style but like slow in form of movement speed and so on. I have like "only" spring and shadow step, or am I missing something?

subtle tundra
#

!design

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

  • No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
  • 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
  • You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
subtle tundra
#

nvm i read slow

normal mist
plucky plover
#

Should I pool and maintain over 50% energy for envenom damage?

normal mist
#

if you feel slow in stealth

#

its because we dont really use this

#

otherwise, we still have our 15% from fleet footed

normal mist
golden loom
normal mist
#

Not really

#

do you want my opinion?

golden loom
#

yeah I've been trying to understand the reasoning for people taking it, are distract/kidney used that much in higher keys to make it worth maybe?

stable flint
#

!up

subtle tundra
#

i just realised ive been playing without an embellishment

#

how smart am i

normal mist
#

Shadowrunner: You move 20% faster in stealth. If you're in stealth you're not dealing damage. If you're not dealing damage it's because your party is moving to another pack. If you move faster you reach the pack sooner, which then makes you wait for them to catch up. Value on moving faster? 0.

Rushed Setup: A bunch of mobs are stunnable, 8sec kidney on some packs casters can do wonders, if you 8s stun a caster every 30 seconds, you're already taking advantage of that talent, if even by just a lil bit of energy save. It isn't a HUGE difference, but it's something.

normal mist
golden loom
#

Just feel like I can end up behind tanks chainpulling even with the talent

normal mist
#

I mean

#

if a warrior charges twice and leap

#

NO ONE can catch up

plucky plover
#

You can shadowstep to other players to help keep up

golden loom
#

yeah it usually ends up in shadowstep or sprinting but feel like it does help a bit to get in position to open up on a key target and then spreading IC and whatever

#

and just the feel of the extra movespeed is personally more valuable than like 5 energy on kidney, but I can understand the reasoning, thanks! 👍

verbal flower
#

!wax

prisma monolithBOT
#

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

  • Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
  • The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
  • If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds
normal mist
#

In the end of the day, we play what we like and what we feel its right

turbid crest
#

heya guys do u have a WA to trak the mark

#

nicely ?

#

on plater

#

or idk

gentle apex
#

most WA packs have a mark tracker yeah

#

I use aefnar but other people

#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
past marten
#

Does dying still mess with your wax or was it people misunderstanding the mh/oh thing?

main hemlock
#

Does the ara kara egg sim buggy?

#

Is*

turbid crest
#

I mean my plater track the debuff of MARK

main hemlock
#

it gives me minus dmg as heroic 610 vs a veteran trinket

turbid crest
#

but on big pack aoe

#

i can't see it nicely

#

can we change color

#

or something

#

on the mob who got it

blazing pumice
#

link sim

turbid crest
#

?

river patrol
#

@turbid crest u need to install a mod for plater which changes nameplate color based on what debuuff they have

turbid crest
#

Idk how to do it

#

could you ? or its complex

#

i have something who track

#

but its tracking even crimson

#

ect

#

i just want mark

#

so i put yellow or something good for my eyes

#

to see my mark focus when i start to spread aoe dots

grave trail
#

tanks chain pulling are giving me ai-ds any advice

balmy prism
#

question, I'm using whispyrs platers, how do I get friendly nameplates to appear like this in dungeons? Right now I have none even tho they're supposed to be one

grave trail
#

should i have a macro

blazing pumice
#

go nelf

drifting cloud
#

!restealth

prisma monolithBOT
#

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
  • While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
grave trail
#

idc about ur pin

#

the silence an dmg reduction is too important

blazing pumice
#

damage reduction

#

on a tyr week

normal mist
#

Then V

balmy prism
grave trail
#

its both tyran and fort genius

turbid crest
#

on 10+ its fort too

grave trail
#

literally no reason to chain pull when mob has 4% hp

turbid crest
#

y

#

they do 2 mobs per 2 mobs

#

then when mobs is 1% hp they chain combat

#

for 0 reason

scenic plank
grave trail
#

?????

turbid crest
#

???

grave trail
#

bruh

#

im out lol

turbid crest
#

xddd

drifting cloud
#

cry to them instead of us

#

I guess

turbid crest
#

+2 simulator

gentle apex
#

I think it's clear that chain pulling will make your DPS lower and you're adjusting your talents to adapt to sub optimal play patterns

turbid crest
#

he dont talk about dps

#

he talk about silence 6 s with garrot

#

on pulls can help

#

a lot

#

not evey1 use kicks/stuns ect

#

so garrot make it easier for big keys

normal mist
#

if you're in a big key

turbid crest
#

make mobs afk for 6s

blazing pumice
#

i'm so confused

normal mist
#

a dangerous group is ahead

#

and your tank doesnt care about an AoE silence

#

thats on your tank

blazing pumice
#

if you're in a big key, your tank is probably not chain pulling and people are kicking/stunning

#

if you're not in a big key, who cares

turbid crest
#

tank can get into big keys but dont know about silence garrot

#

i mean

grave trail
#

ur so clueless its funny

#

manes

gentle apex
#

If you're having trouble with kicks in a dungeon then you're taking an intentional DPS loss to try and compensate for bad play from your teammates, I can understand the rationale and if it gets you through keys fine

turbid crest
#

bro

#

ITS PUG

#

ITS FIRST WEEK

#

not every1 haver a team

#

to do +9

#

ppl are pugging 8-9-10

gentle apex
#

If you're pugging it might be a social issue >_>

turbid crest
#

you can't kicks for ur mates

#

social issue ?

#

yeah ok im out

#

#podcast

#

#social

#

got u

grave trail
#

i feel im in a wowhead comment sec for a sec lol

drifting cloud
#

#french #herbie

grave trail
#

section*

turbid crest
orchid cedar
#

are we using resounding clarity now in M+?

normal mist
#

podcast means we have access to RH podcast pings

normal mist
#

Altought the podcast itself hasnt been a thing for quite some months now i believe

turbid crest
#

So nobody know how apply a debuff color on nameplate

#

when they got mark ?

blazing pumice
#

yes

normal mist
#

i don't

#

Whispyrs makes it purple

#

on plater

keen spruce
blazing pumice
keen spruce
#

and also not what chainpulling is

#

I mean maybe technically

crisp pine
keen spruce
#

but like.. that's not a thing

grave trail
#

idc what its called

#

my dude

#

u literally contradicted urself

past marten
#

Don't really get the point of this whole discussion. It's not like people here can change how tanks behave in pugs.

normal mist
blazing pumice
#

he can't iron wire the mobs in a mythic 5

#

it's a national crisis

grave trail
#

the fact u didnt know it was fort makes me believe u havent done past a +5

#

pretty icornic manes

turbid crest
normal mist
#

yes

past marten
#

The only thing that this exchange proves is that @grave trail is pretty toxic lmao

grave trail
#

how? this guy is talking non sense

gray olive
#

hey, i hav a question, should i Garrote many targets i can or i just garrote/rupture 3 targets wich gona spread

normal mist
#

Y'all had breakfast already?

gentle apex
#

I'm bottom damage because I have my silence spec set up see

normal mist
#

in a pack

#

so you spread 5garr and 5 rupt

#

if you need even more silences you have like 2 more globals to do so

past marten
grave trail
#

just gonna ignore jc and manes and move on

normal mist
blazing pumice
#

tell your therapist your problems

normal mist
#

european coffee

#

not the gigantic american cups

turbid crest
#

@normal mist how do i extract the deathmark

crude sequoia
turbid crest
#

code color

#

to another plater ?

#

please sir

normal mist
crude sequoia
#

today is the day i fix my UI

#

sike

normal mist
#

i did that the other day

#

and im glad i did

crude sequoia
#

i really need to

#

i was doing m+ and couldn’t see my energy bar or combo points

#

still came out on top 🤷🏼‍♂️

normal mist
#

like you should

crude sequoia
#

but damn i only just got my 8/8 normal done yesterday

#

clean though

normal mist
#

Fuck yeah

#

my guild also cleared 8/8 normal this week

#

and 4/8 hc

#

(we're casuals)

ripe carbon
#

same as mine

crude sequoia
#

me too

#

i fw casuals

normal mist
#

We couldn't clear princess because we legit lack numbers

#

we have way too many people at 590 doing 400k dps

crude sequoia
#

mmmh i tried hc princess as well, it was tough

normal mist
#

we got her to 40%

crude sequoia
#

oh yeah that’s a long way to go yet

vernal gate
#

How bad is it to craft a weapon with runed crests? Not expecting to get gilded crests anytime soon

ripe carbon
#

we havent attempted anything past the 4th boss yet. lastw eek i think we got 4/8H on 2nd night

crude sequoia
#

i went in a pug and we wiped on 10%

ripe carbon
#

only 2 night a week raiding

crude sequoia
#

i wanna join a guild but my work schedule just doesn’t allow guild raiding

normal mist
ripe carbon
#

yea i crafted dagger then 2 dropped lol

#

its all luck

vernal gate
#

Im really not sure, doing 5-8 keys atm, maybe i just wait

gentle apex
#

I just cannot imagine why and how people are out here trying to pug keys as a DPS, I've always had a tank or healer alt if I was trying to do something like that. That's why people have guilds, no?

crude sequoia
#

uhh idk

#

not sure it goes like that

ripe carbon
#

as rogue u can only play as dps

bitter badger
#

sooo doing +8 key will reward 619 gear from hero track and +9 rewards 619 gear from myth track?

sturdy stirrup
ripe carbon
#

!up

ripe carbon
#

7 will away hero track

#

award*

#

613 at 9 and up

obtuse frigate
#

Do you still FoN for mythic +

#

or just mutilate for caustic dmg?

normal mist
#

wdym

#

fok in ST?

bitter badger
obtuse frigate
#

in AoE pulls

normal mist
#

you JUST FoK

ripe carbon
normal mist
#

and press mutilate once for caustic

grave trail
#

aoe u mut once then fok

#

u need +10 for myth track

normal mist
#

only 7+ are worth doing

#

anything below is trash

#

but then we remember delves 8 exist

#

616 for almost free

midnight atlas
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
grim jay
#

as always

normal mist
#

+8 gave you myth track

#

or was it +7?

#

now you only get it in 10s(?)

ripe carbon
#

in s4?

grim jay
#

well but you always exclusively wanted to do stuff that rewards hero track at the end of the dungeon

#

everything below always was trash

#

which is what doing "7+" is

ripe carbon
#

i havent tried anything more then 2-3s atm... im still learning assassination and making mistakes

grim jay
#

im just farming 8s and doing some occasional 10s if something rolls a decent key

#

done with my myth track vault already aswell

radiant raven
#

Am I right that indiscriminate carnage has some form of smart logic and will spread Rupture to un-ruptured mobs specifically?

grim jay
#

if there is one, yes

radiant raven
#

Well that's rad.

#

I assumed so going by the guide + my own eyes but it never hurts to double check.

normal mist
radiant raven
#

Yeah

#

Which is incredibly comfy.

normal mist
#

because 1 is always being reapplied to the main target

radiant raven
#

Makes sense

mossy sinew
keen spruce
#

I’m throwing you in the sea

mossy sinew
#

oh bby 🙂

keen spruce
#

Ok good. Well someone else can help more cuz I’m in the car on the way to the airport lol

#

And I don’t wanna mess with mobile

mossy sinew
#

safe trip!

heavy coral
#

the limit 1 means mobs cant take damage from multiple instances right ?

keen spruce
#

It means there’s only going to be one caustic spatter

#

If you mutilate another target the caustic on your first target goes away

heavy coral
#

ok thats what thought just wanted to make sure

#

thank oui

keen spruce
bleak spoke
tight condor
#

!sheet

prisma monolithBOT
mossy sinew
bleak spoke
#

like if you look at your talents in that situation right, it's like so many of them are completely dead right

#

you never cast CT, but it's talented etc

#

there's 1 target so what is indiscriminate carnage doing for you

mossy sinew
#

whats CT i was a paladin main for so long but wantted to switch to rogue this exp 😦

bleak spoke
#

crimson tempest

#

your aoe bleed

mossy sinew
#

oh. I only use that for 3+ targets bc a guide told me to. I can start using that more if it will help

bleak spoke
#

well, that's the thing, in single target you'd talent out of those

flat musk
#

!up

bleak spoke
#

because you can pick up really nice stuff on the left side of the tree

mossy sinew
#

gotchya!

bleak spoke
#

i'd recommend grabbing whatever talent build's recommended for the bosses etc

mossy sinew
#

is there a good source for that WoWhead only seems to have 3 and they are m_ and raid

oak eagle
#

you guys think Etheral Cloak is worth it on a boss like Nexus Princess?

bleak spoke
#

raid single target would be what you played for a single target boss like nexus princess yeah

ripe carbon
#

you can check warcraftlogs and see what others are playing

#

i think thats one way

bleak spoke
#

^that's the best way to do it

twin bolt
#

guys, i think im like the worst assa player. averging about 500k dps with ilvl 603 on a target dummy (but with the typical m+ build). that seems sooooo low. targetdummy says i should be doing 571k.

are these numbers normal?

dusty zenith
#

When opening with aoe do you tab to another target to apply garrote and rupture or just spread it off the same one you opened on

bleak spoke
#

with bait and switch

#

i can't imagine long cloak would feel much better unless you're like getting ignored by your healers during intermission idk

ripe carbon
oak eagle
#

yeah im wondering if 7 seconds of no damage is more worth than 10 seconds of 20% magic + 12 seconds of feint

bleak spoke
#

well it's like 7 vs 5 right

#

is the issue

#

the scenario where i think like maybe 7s cloak would be good, good might be a bit strong of a word here, is like maybe if someone cleaved you with a blaze in intermission you might cover another one of them or something?

#

alright blaze lines come out every 4 seconds

#

so you always cover 2 with cloak, never manage to get 3 with long cloak

#

unlucky

median bane
#

How would i sim Radiance vs Depths enchant in dungeons ? Just dungeon slice ?

bleak spoke
bleak spoke
#

also if you're bad like i am and forget you can evasion then it's probably better

glacial crypt
#

Love to see it keep blasting

cunning needle
#

❤️

charred salmon
#

We still using wax for raid?

kindred dune
#

what did you change or focus on if you don’t mind me asking ?

cunning needle
#

pressed CT more

#

made sure to make use of the buff carrying over

bleak spoke
#

hmm, when do you actually pop the darkest night

#

to apply the mark

#

do you env before ct or after

#

like im assuming its something like garrotes ruptures muti foks and then do you like ct there

orchid cedar
#

after if you can afford it

#

if you are gonna lose the buff while spreading bleeds then use it before

bleak spoke
#

yeh

#

otherwise it's really doomed

#

i guess the smaller the pack the faster you can go

#

global wise

warm vortex
#

Btw, if you can't get stealth for a pull whats the opener like for packs

cunning needle
#

spread bleeds

#

find a target to put mark on

#

continue dps

warm vortex
#

Alright
assuming i should prio ruptures first right

cunning needle
#

probably but im a blue name so dont listen to me

bleak spoke
#

do you spread garrotes outside of stealth

fresh pivot
#

I tried to check the pins, but is the incredibly annoying "lose all poisons when you enter and exit a dungeon" back? Is there something I can do to avoid it?

oak eagle
#

i havent encountered anything like that

molten flicker
#

in timewalking dungeons I noticed that happening, but not in current content

warm vortex
#

Also ik people say pre stealth isnt that big, its a shock because of how strong it feels

neat pulsar
#

2x dawnthread is really adding up ? I just got my 2nd, and I don't see the second bonus of crit

gray olive
#

hey guys, any addon wich i can see this proc better?

prisma monolithBOT
molten flicker
#

weakauras

oak eagle
#

Whispyrs Afenar edit

#

puts it at the top of the energy bar

neat pulsar
oak eagle
#

idk about the other ones, but ik that one does

kindred dune
# cunning needle spreaded more bleeds

but you open with ambush -> garrote -> rupture -> rupture and then? I was wondering if caustic splatter has prio or CT? and do you press CT more than once i. the same pack even after the first one ?

neat pulsar
#

2x dawnthread is really adding up ? I just got my 2nd, and I don't see the second bonus of crit

oak eagle
#

i think

#

but im just a red name

#

so take it with a grain of salt

molten flicker
#

!dawnthread

prisma monolithBOT
#

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

warm vortex
#

But yea, is it worth for the tank to let me get stealth between pulls
IK the whole stealth thing says no but it feels like it cucks my dmg

orchid wind
#

guys what u guys do on a boss fight like mist or last boss of siege ?

#

do you guys just hold gcds or smth to line up darkest night so you won't lose death stalker ?

oak eagle
#

i mean, you shouldnt lose it ever

#

because you get darkest night if the target dies

#

especially in siege

molten flicker
#

boss doesn't die until fight is over

oak eagle
#

hes talking about tentacles on siege

#

which do die

twin bolt
#

Any Tipps for single target in m+? My DMG feels really lackluster without CD's 😦

oak eagle
#

and hes talking about mists second boss

#

where things also die on boss

molten flicker
#

but if u have mark on boss and it goes into phase u can lose mark

#

unless u finish on boss

orchid wind
#

when u're targetting the tree

oak eagle
#

oh

orchid wind
#

when the tree falls and he's casting on boss

#

i lose my mark

#

unless i have vanish

#

which is a problem anyway i think ?

oak eagle
#

yeah i make sure to keep darkest night for Ingra

orchid wind
#

and on siege, u have to stay for your team

#

to get into next tentacle

#

i'll lose my darkest night proc anyway

bleak spoke
#

with siege its easier because eveyrhting you target dies

orchid wind
#

i don't have anything to hit lol

oak eagle
#

well your groups arent fast enough with cannon then'

#

and you shouldnt be staying as a group, all of you should be pre positioning on the next platform

bleak spoke
#

you're a rogue you should do the canno

oak eagle
#

except the guy doing cannon

#

also that

#

you should be

#

and you can step to the tentacles

#

to make sure you keep mark up

bleak spoke
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like the way it should go is healer should be on planks halfway and cleanse you if you're getting in (dependent on timers) and then if you get it after firing you can cloak, or you can run into range to be cleansed

oak eagle
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and everyone else should already be on the next platform

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dont understand where this you go as a group came from

bleak spoke
cunning needle
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because rupture gives you energy

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you dont want to CT into fok into stare at screen for 5 seconds

twin bolt
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Should we be outperforming theoretically outlaws in m+?

surreal wedge
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how do I apply garrote and rupture to more than 10 targets?

molten flicker
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tab

crude sequoia
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what is this called and how do i hide them, damn

molten flicker
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bars

bleak spoke
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10t is wild

crude sequoia
bleak spoke
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where are you pulling 10t worth full bleeding

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stonevault whole corridor with lust?

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on putting the key in?

sharp trellis
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
sturdy crater
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!up