assassination

[spice spire]

Not bad

But not ideal

And yeah

[balmy condor]

So even though the trinket is dogshit for them too

It’s just numerically too strong

To ignore

[spice spire]

But again whispyr

Transmitter for non dm kbs

And skardyns for dm kb

Think of the stonks

[balmy condor]

I do not regret my mallort+milk

[runic hinge]

Mallort? I hardly know-er!

[balmy condor]

You deserve everything

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Gonna need you to sit this one out lil bro

[balmy condor]

They call it a chaser because you gotta chase it down your esophagus before it curdles

[runic hinge]

My only on use rn is transmitter xddd

[copper salmon]

THis made me gag

[balmy condor]

Good

[spice spire]

Reminds me of a drink combo that I will not say the name of

But baileys + Guinness

Was similar

[balmy condor]

Holy based

[spice spire]

Very good but you had to drink it in one down
(Pint)

[strange python]

does anyone know why fatebound sims better but everyone play deathstalker im rly confused

[runic hinge]

It doesn’t sim better for everyone

And DS has better prio plus defensives

[balmy condor]

Babe you’ve hardly touched your monster

[runic hinge]

And some people just don’t wanna flip coins

[spice spire]

You mean the energy drink right?

[balmy condor]

Fatebound is rng, worse defensives, worse funnel, etc

[spice spire]

Also I hate this every single time

[balmy condor]

Yes, but that’s a gonster

You haven’t touched either

What’s up with that

[spice spire]

Prefer to call it a goonster

[earnest remnant]

ofc you do

[young dust]

guys, this might be the stupidest question you've heard all week, but i can't for the love of god remove this mug appearance from my offhand from the brew festival. It's been 7 hours, there are no buffs or mog to change

anyone encountered this bug?

[balmy condor]

@normal mist

[fringe fjord]

what is the opinion of Siphoning Stilleto? does the siphoned health cause much of a problem?

[balmy condor]

Lemme call in my transmog expert

[young dust]

i've seen in wow forums years ago but without solution

[young dust]

i already spent like 5k gold switching transmogs to see if it solves

[balmy condor]

Maybe unequip, relog

Reequip?

[native heron]

lol awesome

[fringe fjord]

Thx @balmy condor

[cobalt sphinx]

the mug looks cool

keep it

[balmy condor]

It was a mistake to give me wowhead guides cause now I get to use the editor to make shitposts

[native heron]

I like it. haha

keeps it lively

[young dust]

nothing in offhand LMAO, literally only one dagger equipped

[balmy condor]

You’re cooked

[young dust]

sentenced to brewfest all year

[flint marsh]

I want what you’re having

[cobalt sphinx]

its an upgrade over double gurubashi anyway

own it

[young dust]

do NOT equip the brewfest mug you're gonna regret it

[shadow badger]

Has it always said “the stupid fucking dogshit dagger”???? 🤣🤣🤣

I don’t remember it saying that

[rough rapids]

Question if i shadowstep is there any point when i do i am immune to damage like Meta for DH?

[balmy condor]

It does not say that

It’s just a meme

[balmy condor]

No

[median igloo]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[young dust]

also: you can't add sockets to timewarped rings/necks

wish i had known before upgrading

[fringe fjord]

@prisma monolith awesome thanks for that info 😄

[earnest remnant]

[sweet plank]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[winged basin]

does mists maze unstealth anyone else?

have that issue all the time when we open a new door, I get insta pulled outta stealth lol

[balmy condor]

Yep

Always has

[winged basin]

goofy, least I know it aint just me

[shadow tulip]

Why does the new affix "buff" break stealth, OMG...

[upper wraith]

I always wait til the blue swirly goes away to stealth in mists

[vast finch]

Why grim batol 619 trinket sims more dmg than 619 transmitter? Isn’t 15k mainstat a lot?

[bright turret]

because it has main stat base while transmitter has much less secondary

[tawny geyser]

Atleast you have it...I've done 8 Grim Batols so far 😢

@balmy condor You really put me on a very exhausting and frustrating mission of acquiring the Skardyn's Grace 😮‍💨

[balmy condor]

[vast finch]

Mine is 606. I didn’t got the heroic one sadly I just used to sim if I wanna get transmitter from raid or farm grim batol)

[bright turret]

is it better or worse than trying to get 2 nicks

[balmy condor]

Better cause it’s spammable

[tawny geyser]

Ye, I only do +7's or 8's, no point going for lesser one when I can do Hero Track

[vast finch]

Same

I got 2k rio and started doing grim batol 7 only

[bright turret]

sub will join in the pain when dust is deleted

[glacial crypt]

aYO

[vernal shadow]

I’m glad I saw this too

[fringe fjord]

whats the best embilishment for a crafted dagger?

was digging around wowhead and couldnt find it :/

[whole sand]

yo can someone tell me if bubbling is still fucked rq

are we reapplying it every pull still etc

[dim tundra]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[ancient vigil]

Hello guys i see on method website we maintain crimson tempest vs 2 targets? it's correct or not? i see on other website vs 3 targets

[balmy condor]

Two

[balmy condor]

Yes

[fringe fjord]

ty

[ancient vigil]

ok thx alot

[whole sand]

ty king

[ancient vigil]

and for the M+ / raid in neck we pref crit mastery (mist) or haste mastery (stonevault) ?

[ivory flower]

Sim yourself

[eager ibex]

why is subterfuge in non of these assa builds on wowhead for m+?

[ivory flower]

Less dmg and you don't really need it

[eager ibex]

what about garrote silence?

[ivory flower]

Could give more utility yeah but this is usefull when your mates sucks and don't use kick/cc

In dungeon you can keep it for packs with a lot of casters yeah

[keen spruce]

as long as this stinky poo poo talent exists

it's very hard to go down that part of the tree

it heals less than just sometimes using crimson vial over a dungeon

[eager ibex]

what about subterfuge + ambush spam for marks

with ds

[keen spruce]

see above

also all of those "what ifs" have been calculated when they sim different builds

the answer to "what about" is "it does less damage"

generally

[real pike]

ah man I have a 626 and 619 dagger but the simmy increase on a 636 craft is so tempting

[dense cloud]

!tierset

[runic hinge]

I saw a rogue with 2.2k io today with shadow heart and double vanish

[waxen oyster]

streamer watchers

[strange python]

2.2k is ez to get but

[waxen oyster]

12 month zerocool subscriber moment

[dense cloud]

why, people dont play double vanish?

[waxen oyster]

no it sucks

[dense cloud]

why

[runic hinge]

2.2k is not hard but it’s also like 3 days into the season. I don’t have the time for that many keys

[runic hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[waxen oyster]

bros have time for keys 10 hrs a day

and still miss title

[keen spruce]

I mean yeah you make make a lot of goofy shit work

[fleet pagoda]

you could probably make use of it in an organized group where the key's success revolves around doing a couple giga pulls, but generally it's not very useful

[dense cloud]

what do u take instad of double vanish

[runic hinge]

3% leech in stealth is worse than goofy

[keen spruce]

then do 0 boss damage and still not time the key

[keen spruce]

basically anything

[runic hinge]

Anything else.

[keen spruce]

that right column is banned

[runic hinge]

Er for DS and CB for fatebound

[keen spruce]

at the bottom of the tree

[dense cloud]

idek tf the double vanish talent called

[runic hinge]

Then deeper and tea for both

[dense cloud]

i forgot

[runic hinge]

Without a trace

[dense cloud]

oh wait i dont have it out

nvm

[waxen oyster]

honestly

ds qol went up so much

with ER fix

[gilded oasis]

[fleet pagoda]

sims at a 6% drop on my character, which is a fair bit but after the 10.2 changes and people were playing for prio/boss damage instead of overall, they got mocked for it. idk where we win on it/how we value it anymore

[keen spruce]

They were rightly mocked for it because they were doing it in +20s

but to your point, maybe?

who knows

high m+ers will always cook up some goofy BS

[fleet pagoda]

I never saw that context tethered to it so I missed out on that side

[waxen oyster]

only nice part about nerubian dungeons

the big mobs are also visually

[keen spruce]

I mean basically there was like 3-5 rogues doing it in like R1 assas keys

and people saw the talents

[waxen oyster]

very large

[keen spruce]

and there was a storm of people coming in bothering whispyr

about why that build wasn't on the guides

and the answer was that 99.99% of people didnt' even need to look at that build

but i'm sure there was collateral damage in the mocking

as there always is

[waxen oyster]

wasnt 10.2

an outlaw season

[keen spruce]

yeah there's a few one tricks tho

[fleet pagoda]

yeah that adds up, just sayin I didn't personally catch that side of 'er. I trust your word on it big dawg(duck)

[zenith axle]

in an m+ what should your top 6 damage abilities be? and what should your highest damage spell be?

[woven shore]

@balmy condor i have a question sir

[waxen oyster]

ct spatter rupture garrote envenom

last one ermmm

[woven shore]

about ovinax
how are you playing / recommend playing the fight?
i hard focused ovinax bc i thought applying two bleeds and then muti on another enemy that is going to die anyway was a waste of energy

For example on these larves

probably also depends on how your group tanks the boss and pops eggs right?

on worms you should probably swap but IF they are far away

?

[haughty flicker]

Last time I took advice from whispyr about ovinax I got meleed to death by spiders and the group immediately disbanded

[waxen oyster]

adds dont live long enough on ovinaxx

[zenith axle]

sanguine blades?

[waxen oyster]

to do more than spatter them

[waxen oyster]

maybe i guess

i dont stare at my breakdowns

[woven shore]

yea so its not worth to Spatter on someone else but boss ?

[waxen oyster]

spatter should be top 3 especially as hybrid ds

gcds to build up

[zenith axle]

what should number 1 damage be? just so i know if im not prioritzing

usually my garrote or rupture is number 1

my spatter is 2 or 3

[waxen oyster]

i play only in mainraid maybe pugs are shit

Likely depends on key

and how your tank pulls

[woven shore]

so you play Aoe damage on ovinax ?

for example Ct?

[waxen oyster]

Idk I guess?

[woven shore]

or am i misunderstanding

[waxen oyster]

I play outlaw on ovinaxx

[woven shore]

lol

[waxen oyster]

might play sin on mythic if we need boss dam

and singular focus funnel

[vocal cradle]

@balmy condor would it be an easy alteration for someone who's never created plater profiels to adjust the deathstalkers mark target in your profile to have their frame glow to make it easier to see which mob its on?

[balmy condor]

Depends how much aoe your group has, but rupturing spiders should always be worth

[woven shore]

was thinking about outlaw on Ovinax aswell same as on Court

[balmy condor]

If your group sucks you can go CT

[woven shore]

true didnt do it

[balmy condor]

Probably better to just caustic

[waxen oyster]

if your group pumps you just

go st with caustic

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[woven shore]

well xd

[haughty flicker]

You remove an aoe talent for every war or dk in your group

[woven shore]

got a 76 log

[vocal cradle]

do you have any suggestions where i can start digging?

[woven shore]

thats horrible as fuck with like 1,06mil dps

only caustic

[balmy condor]

Depends what kind of glow you’re looking for

[waxen oyster]

heroic logs

[balmy condor]

But my plater has basically 0 support for adding a glow

Just not set up for it

You can maybe finding something on wago

And then rip the script/mod out

[vocal cradle]

word

[balmy condor]

And hope it just works

[vapid delta]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[woven shore]

Lol

[waxen oyster]

If i wanted to 99 hc logs

join a sale run

[dreamy canyon]

Hey folks, is there any pre-key shenanigans that we can do as Sin?

[gilded oasis]

glow/border, or change color? I have one of each

[uneven plume]

when we play with iron wire, how do we open for DM KB?

do we shiv in between or no

or shiv last seconds

[runic hinge]

You’re an outlaw one trick

[keen spruce]

I was like top 10 assas... then I walked into a 27 throne and got one shot by the zap on the first boss

[static glacier]

last seconds but tbh it doesn't matter for aoe and imo shiving can be a dps loss on aoe

[keen spruce]

and respec'd to pirate for teh rest of the tier

[static glacier]

if it kills your target before last kb tick

[runic hinge]

[real granite]

ill give you a wa on dm

[keen spruce]

spatter should be #1

i think

[haughty flicker]

dude pugging as dev is so easy

i just apply as aug and swap in cd

fastest queues of my life

[split grail]

That feeling when you're the only rogue in the raid and two regicides drop

[waxen oyster]

congrats on your free crest saves

[tall jay]

Anyone know how to turn down the affix announcements

[tribal flower]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[keen spruce]

[runic helm]

How are they gonna give feral this change and not give us the same change for caustic?!

[keen spruce]

cat do the biting

mob do the spattering

[runic helm]

Ya except when the mob doesn't do he spattering because of enormous hit boxes. lol

[keen spruce]

mob not very good at spattering

[runic helm]

Like Rasha'nan spatter basically just never hits the adds for me.

[idle crane]

!Macro

[novel star]

prob cus dots and shit

kingsbane moment

[runic helm]

Fairly certain spatter range is based on the center of the targets hit box...so if they have a giant hit box you can be in melee range of two mobs and not have spatter hit the 2nd.

[keen spruce]

yall ever get food down the wrong pipe so u cough it up but then it goes up the wrong pipe too so you do a sniffle

and a piece of tofu flies from your sinuses into your mouth

[mossy sinew]

Good evening. I was wounding if someone that is experienced could look at my logs and help me figure out how to improve?

[runic hinge]

You’re not supposed to breathe it

[shy marten]

Does feint work on splice from cot last boss?

[vital flicker]

so Bubbling wax isn't scaled down in Timewalking?

[runic hinge]

No

[balmy condor]

sure

[balmy condor]

not without elusiveness

it's not an aoe

it's a dot

[shy marten]

Doesn’t count as aoe?

[balmy condor]

debuff on you

[shy marten]

Right but it applied to everyone so I thought maybe

But that makes sense

[balmy condor]

nah

that's not how that works

[shy marten]

I’d love if anyone has like a sheet with everything you can feint

Feint is my new best friend

[frail mural]

guys 636 craft dagger is good?

[uneven plume]

got a hero socketed helm with avoidance

[shy marten]

I think the webs can’t be feinted but the slam can be which is nice

[uneven plume]

biggg catalyst

we 4manned last two bosses in 8 SoB

game decided to bless us

for timing it

[still tree]

"The Necrotic Wake

Zolramus Gatekeeper’s Wrath of Zolramus damage reduced by 25%.
Zolramus Gatekeeper’s enemy forces contribution increased.
Surgeon Sitchflesh
Stitchflesh’s Creation’s Festering Rot periodic damage reduced by 20%.
City of Threads

Izo, the Grand Splicer
The duration of Splice reduced to 6 seconds (was 9 seconds)."

[fleet pagoda]

idk how you guys are finding good groups for m+. I'm waiting like 20m for, like, tanks that don't know to run from Molten Mace or DK's chronically gripping elementals into the group on dragon boss

[still tree]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/mythic-tuning-now-live-sept-20-1963794

thank god festering rot nerf

[uneven plume]

it was about time

City was more crazy

last boss if you aint like 615+ you MAYBE do it

Your healer gotta be cracked out

[balmy condor]

the secret is that every good player is not pugging

[still tree]

I've randomly had good luck in city, though I've only been spamming 7's so far

NW has been fucking murdering people though

[fleet pagoda]

that means by proxy I suck; so I believe this to be true

[uneven plume]

not really

[balmy condor]

[uneven plume]

at a certain point, its mostly about who you know

[balmy condor]

yeah gotta network for your +7's

nah it's just literally run with your guild

or a friends guild

or just friends

or a friends friends guild

[vital flicker]

friends?

[balmy condor]

yeah most pug players don't have any

[uneven plume]

plus most pugs dont want rogue anyways

s4 has left a huge stain

on pugging with rogue

[runic hinge]

Someone asked earlier today if blizz would nerf those dungeons. Where they at now

[vital flicker]

I play rogue because I RP as somebody who doesn't have friends

[fleet pagoda]

nobody can spot our loneliness if we're stealthed

but nah I gave my guild all of DF, they're peaking at like one-chesting +3's right now, I can't be waitin on these dudes any longer lol

[balmy condor]

THERES THE DOUBLE VANISH VALUE

TWICE AS LONELY

[vital flicker]

first vanish is so they can't see how lonely I am and the second vanish is so they can't see me cry

[uneven plume]

how depressed are you if you shadowmeld

after second vanish

[still tree]

need a WA that plays a random system of a down song whenever you vanish

there's your double vanish value

[royal lantern]

doing keys with guildmates, everything is fine and kinda fun

then 2 people go offline and i decide to try GB +7 for trinket chance

P A I N

so much pain

[balmy condor]

yeah

I pugged for my runed crests in like a +3

anything higher than that

I shall not pug

I am not brave enough to go wade in the cesspool by myself

[calm nymph]

should i craft ascension or focusing lens if i m+ on assa and raid on sub?

would run sim but on my phone xd

[royal lantern]

its just baffeling

like, our tank is a WW main that didnt touch brewmaster this Expansion at all before m+ release and he has 0problems

then you do keys with randoms and the tanks ALWAYS die randomly 2-3 times

[balmy condor]

if you're on your phone and can't sim why would you need the answer now

can't you just like

[calm nymph]

i was just curious?

[balmy condor]

I mean

it's a pro/con

ascension better for assa

lens better for sub

you gotta weigh that for yourself

[calm nymph]

just trying to see if one is outweighed by the other or what the lesser worse is

ill prob just do lens

[royal lantern]

me with double dawnthread:

[young dust]

gave up on a GB 8

[flint marsh]

potential dumb q, anyone know what is unstealthing me when I go in to new sections of the mists maze? seemed like when a pack got pulled I just got stealth yoinked

[balmy condor]

the mobs spawning

[flint marsh]

o.O

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's always done that

you gotta hang back in the previous room

[flint marsh]

makes…. sense?

[balmy condor]

if you're in the room and the mobs spawn

[royal lantern]

i suffered trought a gb10 for vault

[balmy condor]

you just get knocked out

[flint marsh]

awesome lol

ty

[balmy condor]

np

[young dust]

ooh i did a boralus 10

last boss was nonsense

[zenith axle]

is crimson tempest not in the top 5 of damage ?

[balmy condor]

in what situation

[zenith axle]

m+ like 4 pack

[balmy condor]

with what talents

[real granite]

dont enter stealth till the very moment the tank is pulling, then go stealth > ambus/garrote insta

[zenith axle]

with hybrid

[balmy condor]

should probably be like top3

if the pull is super short maybe gar/env above it

[zenith axle]

all my damage is situated in the right place but my numbers are cheeks

is the main thing maintaining rupture or garrote?

[glacial crypt]

cheeks

I love it

[wide dome]

https://gyazo.com/a84da1562d751692dd0e864acb491893

[zenith axle]

esp if a pack is dying quickly?

[glacial crypt]

oop

[wide dome]

heres a screenshot from a previous dungeon if that helps at all

[glacial crypt]

caughta stray ping i think

[glacial crypt]

let's compare i don't know how damage breakdowns in dungeons should look at all

[tranquil ruin]

what's the command to use a tempered potion in a macro? am noob

[zenith axle]

is envenom important in a shorter pack? and what should i prio in a longer pack

[wide dome]

yeah yours looks fine doesnt it

[glacial crypt]

to be fair they look very similar outside of the rupture

it looks like you're not spreading bleeds as much as you maybe should but if packs aren't living long anyway then that would make sense

[wind lynx]

whats min haste% for assass

[balmy condor]

/use Tempered Potion

[glacial crypt]

I'd prio getting caustic / CT up in lower keys

[balmy condor]

doesn't exist

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[tranquil ruin]

of course its that simple

thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

[halcyon hamlet]

10 Boralus

[nova aspen]

some1 invited a boomkin?

[balmy condor]

probably best boomkin performance I've seen this expac

respect to that guy

[halcyon hamlet]

nah he died on 3rd boss and bricked the key. we had to kill boss with 2 dps at 40% hp

overtimed by 4 mins

fuckin sad

[haughty flicker]

this dude just got a warbound poisoned pact ring from queen

wtf

[balmy condor]

died on 3rd boss and bricked the key is unironically still the best boomkin performance I've seen

[balmy condor]

I didn't realize that was possible what

screenshot?

[zenith axle]

in a multi pack is it worth to keep applying garrote to the whole mob even tho it has a cooldown?

im talking without vanish

or just to your main target

[balmy condor]

lmao what

[haughty flicker]

fucking wild

[spice spire]

Holy fuck

[nova aspen]

i got the neck as warbound the first week

[keen spruce]

what am I looking at??

[fleet pagoda]

we gonna just pretend Diaperfiller isn't sayin "kittens please"

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

account bound very rare drop

eranog ring but transferrable in-account

[spice spire]

Correct

[haughty flicker]

i rolled an 8 on triknet

[idle siren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty flicker]

and this guy gets a very rare drop as warbound

sad times

why is my luck so shit with trinkets

dev is 603 using a darkmoon deck and an lfr healer trinket

[idle siren]

anyone have the tier set spreadsheet?

[keen spruce]

[iron lynx]

!spark

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cursive plaza]

kinda a noobie question, For someone only heroic raiding and prob wont see mythic gear outside of M+ vaults

should i take great vault 619 tier helm, or 616 helm w socket...not sure if its worth using catalyst on the other helm for a socket.

dont have any tier yet, so catalysting something for more tier in the future prob outwieghs a helm socket on only a hero track item ya?

[humble ginkgo]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[humble ginkgo]

wtf

thats actually W gameplay

[summer bramble]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ashen scroll]

sin feels actually bis for raid when all 3 specs do close dmg

so much of my brain left to do/look for mechanics

[runic hinge]

Most based take you’ve ever had

[humble ginkgo]

assa aint that bad after trying it

i hated pooling

[cinder bone]

oh shit am i part of the cool kids club now?

[rich kayak]

Hi guys, what % of dmg increase is the 2 and 4 set for Assassination?

[spice surge]

Like 3% for both

[rich kayak]

okay thank you

[runic hinge]

Gives me time to throw out some uwu’s in general chat

[balmy condor]

maybe like 3 weeks ago yeah

[waxen oyster]

you mean pre nerf on beta

[woven torrent]

#showtooltip Rupture /cast [@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead][] Rupture

have this binded on shift-e but it doesnt go off (with cp), tried it on dummys and on npcs ..why?

[runic hinge]

Feels as bad as puzzle box to use too

[heavy blaze]

authority of depths or radiant power?

[cinder bone]

I mean It's still hero track over my 2 non-bis champ trinkets XD

[balmy condor]

yeah true

[balmy condor]

single target depths m+ radiant

[arctic socket]

sick

[waxen oyster]

how much

[arctic socket]

250k

[runic hinge]

It’ll be a twitch drop next week

[waxen oyster]

not bad

[waxen oyster]

[arctic socket]

what's that normally go for?

[waxen oyster]

surprised they stopped doing amazon prime wow promos

[haughty flicker]

probably 6 or 7

[waxen oyster]

no idea depends on server

[balmy condor]

[young dust]

@balmy condor how much can we trust this droptimizer thing?

[balmy condor]

why wouldn't you trust it

it's literally just comparing items against each other

[young dust]

it doesn't take into account enchants, does it?

maybe that's why the dagger is not showing higher

[balmy condor]

it copies the enchants you have equipped

link the sim

[young dust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/61UMBAzCA6U4SNri768qoe

idk everything seemed so low

[balmy condor]

yeah

[young dust]

and in my guild mostly assa is the lowest prio all the time

[balmy condor]

looks fine

[haughty flicker]

"everyone is cranking except for required raid buffs"

[young dust]

but maybe that;'s an assa thing

[haughty flicker]

atrophic op

[balmy condor]

yeah, welcome to being the shit spec of the season

[haughty flicker]

how much of kyveza does atro actually work on i wonder

[balmy condor]

tier piece sucks

and you're undertuned

and you're competing for melee trinkets

[young dust]

Yeah just wanted to confirm how reliable that is because it even mentions double on use trinkets could cause issues, maybe there were other issues as well

at least we have a place in m+

[balmy condor]

it's just non-upgraded myth track pieces

but yeah

assa sucks

[young dust]

guildies are even asking to start a frost dk LOL

[balmy condor]

I don't get loot in raid unless basically everyone else doesn't need it

cause if it's an upgrade for me

chances are it's a bigger upgrade for like

9 other people

[young dust]

Yeah the fucking ring dropped in ansurek, i thought: omg assa will be the top priority

guess what fucking hunters get it better

[balmy condor]

well yeah

it doesn't have any special interactions

[real granite]

doens it interacts with spatter nor shiv..?

[young dust]

well dealing nature damage helps getting doses

so it kinda makes sense

[real granite]

nor kb?

[balmy condor]

items do not interact with spec mechanics

[real granite]

s1 dragonflight ring did afaik

[balmy condor]

yeah but literally any spec that deals even a little bit of nature damage will saturate the proc

so it's whatever

[balmy condor]

s1 dragonflight ring was fire damage

[orchid adder]

what key level roughly does the hybrid build become the preferred choice for mythic+?

[balmy condor]

the only thing that buffs items is vers

[balmy condor]

probably like 3 or 4

[orchid adder]

interesting, so quite early then really. thank you mate

[balmy condor]

bleed build just does zdps single target

and bosses suck really hard

you still got sudden demise and do plenty of aoe

[orchid adder]

thank you

good work on your guides and videos too bud its been very helpful

[balmy condor]

ty

[exotic hearth]

Is airborn irritant bugged for the xal blessing? I'm using it on the group but only getting 1

[young dust]

you have to use it on a mob

then it'll work

[balmy condor]

blind doesn't spread from the orb

yeh

gotta cast on a mob

[exotic hearth]

ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[balmy condor]

and then hope it's in range

[exotic hearth]

Thank you

[young dust]

not only this little dogshit mecanic removes our stealth, there's also this

[narrow bone]

Anyone tried Fatebound on Court? Downed HC Court today and, while I did great dps, I found the mark management a bit of a headache.

[balmy condor]

I think I did like 3 pulls on fatebound

[glacial crypt]

mark management there is the juice honestly

feels so good

[balmy condor]

does the same damage

[real granite]

you dont lose that much as you could think, given tha tank should be chaining anyways most of the time

[balmy condor]

fatebound is always like very close

but no one plays it because logs don't play it

so it just feedback loops

[narrow bone]

I like it in theory, but I wanna be more chill on reclears, ya know?

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean fatebound vs ds isnt as big as people think

its not like warriors who have like a 20% diff in their hero trees

[narrow bone]

Defensives are worse, no?

[glacial crypt]

lol

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah if you have a place to press evasion

and there's magic damage

bait and switch is literally crazy

but it's a heroic raid

so no

[narrow bone]

True

[waxen oyster]

fatebound just seems better designed for outlaw

[narrow bone]

I shall probably just fatebound it. I'm glad they're so close.

[waxen oyster]

you get more double coins since adr is way more often than dm

[glacial crypt]

im never looking at the hero talents and thinking about the defensive values honestly im ngl

[balmy condor]

just purge all the chinese logs abusing flensing knives and surely there will be more fatebound logs right

[narrow bone]

DS seems better designed for sub, but nobody plays sub rip

[glacial crypt]

oop shh

[waxen oyster]

the fact this is a thing

fucking kills me

[balmy condor]

it's so brainrot

[waxen oyster]

alot of people do....

sub is

very goodge

i think you play trickster more fights though

because they changed the first word on bladeflurry

[balmy condor]

doesn't sub have more parses than assa

[waxen oyster]

and made that a hero tree

[balmy condor]

maybe not in heroic

[glacial crypt]

in mythic p sure yea

[narrow bone]

Really? I can't find any content creators for it, who actually post guides etc.
I love sub, even more now that Sepsis is gone.

[waxen oyster]

cant wait for rework and having to farm

[shy pecan]

Not in heroic

[waxen oyster]

kazzak neck

every day

[balmy condor]

yeh silly heroic raiders

[young dust]

i'm running also atrophic poison on high keys

city of threads and grim batol for example

[waxen oyster]

i feel like sub is more played

by higher end players

than super casuals

coudl be wrong

[balmy condor]

probably

sub is a nightmare spec for casuals

[waxen oyster]

ptsd

from spreadsheet amirdrassil

[shy pecan]

It is

[narrow bone]

It's my preferred spec, but haven't ran into any others so far.

[waxen oyster]

also you have to play transmitter

[glacial crypt]

We figured sub would be better for this tier in general but assa plays better in almost every fight

[balmy condor]

sub and outlaw have less normal parses

than survival and feral

[marble hemlock]

say that to slayer

[balmy condor]

incredible

[runic hinge]

Ed said I have to play sub cause I got a transmitter in my weekly box

[glacial crypt]

The only fights we thought sub would be better in theory for would be sikran and princess but like... the downtime when you get mechanics isn't fun for it

[marble hemlock]

overwhelming blade is a global amp

[balmy condor]

I don't even know what they do

[narrow bone]

When Disc Priests could outburst DPS with the mechagon trinket.

[glacial crypt]

go for it, full commit team

[waxen oyster]

ngl if you get first charge as sub on sikran

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/nygNh98.jpeg

[waxen oyster]

you might as well kick your router

[marble hemlock]

this works on trinkets

[waxen oyster]

and fake a d/c

[glacial crypt]

on princess intermission you'll be PUMPING on sub

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

ah the classic

[icy crater]

Anyone mess with double vanish instead of ER in keys? Feels pretty good to have when you have a tank pressing w

[marble hemlock]

its why ansurek trinket is so good on warr

the classic "remove global amp from all amp spells last expac, then introduce new abilities and forget to remove it on those"

[waxen oyster]

well whispyr

slayer's passive talent

is like in their

top 3 dam

[balmy condor]

I don't think it's "forget to remove"

I think it's literally just wrong spell flag

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

but it keeps happening

every expac

[waxen oyster]

doesnt lingering shadows on sub

buff mandate too

the shadow damage amp

[marble hemlock]

with every new spell that is a "target takes more damage from you"

[balmy condor]

yes :) cause the flags say the same thing

but one is wrong

and one is right

and they lose the 50/50

[marble hemlock]

youd think theyd just, like, remove one

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

is outlaw's bte buff intentional

[marble hemlock]

if it shouldnt be used anymore

[waxen oyster]

where they just crit 20% more often

with any trinket

[marble hemlock]

rogue has had a very big sweep on class abilities not interacting with anything other than class abilities

[balmy condor]

removing a spell flag sounds insanely cooked

[glacial crypt]

im sure there's a lot of spaghetti code for that kind of thing

[marble hemlock]

so stuff like ghostly strike isnt a trinket amp, subs shadow damage doesnt improve trinkets (unless they fucked it up again) etc.

[balmy condor]

considering that every time they touch subterfuge/stealth, 75 things break

[marble hemlock]

idk, if theres 2 similar ones, one should never be used again, you just check which spells still use the other one, change those to the new one, and delete old one

[balmy condor]

I don't think ripping an entire spell flag out of the game

[marble hemlock]

like

[balmy condor]

is a good idea

[narrow bone]

Why do casual players struggle with Sub? I found Assa takes more brain space to optimize.

[marble hemlock]

technically it should work

but i guess it doesnt cuz spaghetto

[balmy condor]

none of the cooldowns line up at all

it's a massive headache

[glacial crypt]

CD management nightmare

[balmy condor]

assa is actually just full brain off press cooldowns on cooldown and maintain anything that has a duration

super easy

super slow

super chill

[glacial crypt]

I've been surprised at the amount of people who don't line up CDs on assa actually

[balmy condor]

be like that

[glacial crypt]

Have helped out a lot of people the past few days, a few of which are just full sending shiv on CD without thinking

[balmy condor]

yepge

[waxen oyster]

sub also has like

multiple cds

that dont align

[glacial crypt]

dust trickster sub would explode a cavemans brain

[narrow bone]

For me I always forget to wait for Vanish to send DM. =[

[severe oyster]

What build are people running for 9+ keys atm? Still bleed build with SD?

[balmy condor]

hybrid

[waxen oyster]

it does

the deathstalker talent that buffs shadow damage after your cds end

[narrow bone]

That's what I play, I found it not to be too bad once you get the logic of it.

[balmy condor]

I'd be surprised to see bleed builds higher than like 6/7

[waxen oyster]

i mean you can see it in other specs

unholy vs frost dk

frost you press 1-2 buttons

big number on screen

ungabunga

[glacial crypt]

people that naturally look into things won't struggle super hard with it

but most people tend to either overcook or press whatever looks pretty

i swear there's no inbetween

[marble hemlock]

well its not supposed to

[waxen oyster]

yeah

keyword not supposed to

[marble hemlock]

the goal is always

[waxen oyster]

honestly i didnt know that slayer talent even buffed their external damage

[marble hemlock]

class spell-school or global amps are only supposed to affect class abilities

[dim blaze]

Is there a link to the hybrid build?

[marble hemlock]

but they keep messing it up

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[waxen oyster]

hold on

is that why warriors play depths

for enchant

[marble hemlock]

dunno

[waxen oyster]

mine is stuck in prot jail

9/10 times

[dusty zenith]

Use AP for keys 8 and higher

[glacial crypt]

This tier has been so chill for what to run talent wise honestly

The only thing I've had to think about is ovinax so far

outside of that I just took the builds whispyr has on wowhead for DS ST and DS M+ and haven't had to do anything outside of adding tricks

because whispyr hates tricks

[waxen oyster]

ngl

i dont feel the need for tricks on sin as much

if i dont have tricks on outlaw im fr in danger

[glacial crypt]

as true as that is it's the muscle memory and no feedback from pressing my tricks button that trips me up

[waxen oyster]

It might be for some reason

[glacial crypt]

if I'm spamming it and I'm not talented into it I get upset

[waxen oyster]

Outlaw just really brings out the tweaking adderall brain.

compared to playing sin

[glacial crypt]

Assa doesn't generate a lot of threat quickly

and by the time it matters everything is agrod onto the right target

which is either ur warrior or tank

[waxen oyster]

ahh warrior players

blow load insta

[glacial crypt]

odynss furyyyy

[waxen oyster]

comlpains about aggro

nah you dont hit real odyns until after spin

you proc one off the avatar

[glacial crypt]

oop

[waxen oyster]

real funny when i went into tw

with the amirdrassil 2p

[glacial crypt]

did it work?

[waxen oyster]

yes

[glacial crypt]

that's cool

[waxen oyster]

they've only turned off essences in tww

so no more lucid minor on rogue in tw

[glacial crypt]

Awwh frick

does the cloak still work?

[waxen oyster]

yep

and azerite

[glacial crypt]

twink gearsets are so wild to me

i think it's hilarious whenever a timewalking event happens and there's that one guy who has prepared his whole wow life for it

[waxen oyster]

yeah

dhs literally play havoc as tank

because vengeance borrowed power sucks

allegedly

[slate crown]

Casual players can understand it, my opinion is that sub's threshold for understanding the very basics of what it is has a much higher floor than assa

[waxen oyster]

fun police nerfed the shit out of alot of direct damage procs

[slate crown]

I think you could easily just look at assa's kit and get pretty quickly what the general idea is

[waxen oyster]

i cant even abuse gavel in tw

4min cd 1% boss dam

[glacial crypt]

it's like arms warrior

[slate crown]

For sub, I don't think you can just "look" at it and understand how to play

[glacial crypt]

very bread and butter spec

love it

[slate crown]

That doesn't mean that once you get beyond that threshold it's crazy hard, it's not

but getting to that place of understanding takes much more

[waxen oyster]

sub always has the bigget learning curve

even when i only take a 1-2 tier break from it

cant imagine someone who doesnt even know the core of the spec

[glacial crypt]

Sub always feels like my comfort spec baseline

since like SL s2

just love spinning

[slate crown]

I love it now

It just took time bashing my head against it for a while before it clicked

a process that wasn't necessary on assa

[glacial crypt]

It's a lot more complex than most specs

Assa is slow paced, you can chill with decision making

[runic hinge]

Yeah I don’t know how to learn

[glacial crypt]

but sub doesn't just play itself

[slate crown]

I think having that curve is a good thing for the game, I just think that the current state of things has sub a bit too tough to learn

I think more could be done to make sub more approachable to new players

[glacial crypt]

warcraft logs ST boss, cast > timeline, target dummy spam :3

once you know the order to press the things you can look at the reasons why

overcomplicating it and trying to figure it out for yourself is

difficult xd

[gentle apex]

How important is serrated bone spike on ST?

[balmy condor]

it's a fair bit of damage

like nearly 3% on its own

• the extra lethal dose stack

and the extra cp

it's quite good

[knotty summit]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[glad flare]

Anyone know of some good Plater frames for Sin Rogue since a lot of stuff to keep track of with pandemics and what not?

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Cevs is good I used that for a few years and he just updated and I’m using whispyrs rn which is also good

[slim pebble]

The bleed build feels much better in keys for me

than the hybrid one

[south lava]

does our 2 set effect buff our spatter? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

it buffs your poisons, which themselve spatter

but it doesn't double dip obviously

caustic is a residual, residuals never have direct buffs

[south lava]

i see

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[sullen cloak]

which of the embellishments are best to use? im really unsure veen after reading the guides

[south lava]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[weary shoal]

!m+

!raid

[pastel cradle]

is this a good item? just got it in a delve

[balmy condor]

it's okay if you don't have anything better

but should ideally get replaced fairly quick(wick)

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

lisonna what's your plater knowledge like

[slate crown]

Like i'm out here working for nasa with wa

for plater I'm playing with duplo

[balmy condor]

ugly

my code ain't coding

[slate crown]

aye

I mean it's all lua

[balmy condor]

yeah

[slate crown]

but I don't know plater specifics

or w/e

[balmy condor]

except adding "player" as a variable to the API calls I'm making

should technically work like own only in wa

except it doesn't

and I'm mad

[sterile violet]

is there a st talent tree that's strong yesterday in nthe heroic raid my damage was a joke ...

but in mythic+ am a god

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[main solar]

I know you can specify auras like "Caustic Spatter_player"

but that's about as far as my plater knowledge goes

[slate crown]

Just without knowing the plater stuff, all I can say is aggressively debug, DevTool if you have to, you can even use DevTool to explore Plater's tables and structures for what's passed to you

[sterile violet]

i used them all

my damage is bad in raids ..

[balmy condor]

I was doing that

[slate crown]

I underexagerated a bit, I have written a script before, I made something for classic to change the color of enemy nameplates to be different if they are targetting my hunter pet

[lime delta]

do we use any embelishment on the omen crafted dagger?

[slate crown]

which took some fiddling

[balmy condor]

you can put ascension on it

[lime delta]

is it gonna be stronger than getting the wrist/waist embelishments? for m+

[main solar]

You just trying to check whether a plate has your own debuff whispyr? cause you just need to append _player to the end of the spell name string or id

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

I'll try that

[main solar]

Like I use Plater.UnitHasAura(unitFrame, "Caustic Spatter_player")

[cunning needle]

@glacial crypt @novel star thanks, shit makes more sense now

[balmy condor]

big dam

[sterile violet]

now go and do that in heroic raid

we all drop that number in dung/ mythic+

[balmy condor]

assa sucks in raid though

[cunning needle]

nah i gained like 300k dps from not being stupid on openers

[sterile violet]

oh so its a class thing i knew it

cuz i am doing everyhting perfect

my damage was so bad in heroic

[balmy condor]

I mean I doubt that

but assa single target is low

probably doesn't help

[sterile violet]

👍

[runic hinge]

like doing what

[cunning needle]

caustic range/spreading bleeds better on opener

min/maxing the deathmark from previous pack

was a bit unsure on the prio in getting out bleeds vs using deathmark stack

[sour relic]

what are the recommended embellishes for M+ only ?

[runic hinge]

dawnthread i thhink

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[runic hinge]

2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+

[sour relic]

hm, i see

is next week our next spark?

or is half piece

[balmy condor]

next week is spark 3

[sour relic]

k, i guerss i can craft weap w/o embellish this week? i'm guessing going from 619-> 636

is better than 636 w/ embellish, if my belt is 610

[upper wraith]

Which Chad here has the highest io so far?

[keen spruce]

casual rn

[balmy condor]

I'm like 2200ish

but I didn't get to run keys at all on tues/wed

suffering

[keen spruce]

suffer when can't run keys

suffer when run keys

[shy pecan]

Suffering because you couldn't run keys or becuase you ran keys?

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

both

and then suffering

because while I love quazii

trying to find a fucking color scheme

for fuchsia and aqua

is insanely hard

[keen spruce]

[white pumice]

Does trick of the trades still work in delves?

[balmy condor]

they're like ALMOST triadic

[balmy condor]

yes

but they're just far enough apart from triadic that things are not working out

[keen spruce]

i'd just go primary colors

+green purple orange

[acoustic hamlet]

how much dps increase is the 4p bonus ?

[keen spruce]

orange might looks like ass tho

[keen spruce]

liek 1 % or something

not good

[balmy condor]

yeah but then I have to recolor all of quazii's shit

[white pumice]

Do you guys run brann as healer or dps

[balmy condor]

cause he uses aqua and fuchsia built in

[acoustic hamlet]

damn

[balmy condor]

I run him healer but he doesn't really do much either way

[fleet pagoda]

man you really feel that caustic activating from the center of the target on heroic rashahan and ovi'nax

idk how to do aoe damage on these

[acoustic hamlet]

i run him healer if im with other dps in party, dps if solo

[balmy condor]

I think realistically I have to bite the bullet and just recolor everything to match a coherent color scheme

but I really don't want to do that

[haughty flicker]

dont do it

[gentle apex]

@balmy condor how flexible is bone spike in single target?

[keen spruce]

I couldn't get used to quazii stuff

[balmy condor]

what does that mean

it's bone spike

it just casts when you rupture

[balmy condor]

I like the caster mobs being highlighted but having to find indicators for caustic and mark that don't clash is proving difficult

[keen spruce]

I think he means how flexible the talent choice is? maybe?

[gentle apex]

Right, but the dot is so small and it's one combo point for an entire fight, it doesn't stack does it?

[balmy condor]

it does not

[keen spruce]

I thing Naowh's plater has that. or at least recolors them. you just have to get used to green and red aggro colors being flip flopped

[scenic vine]

This is likely a dumb question, but does the order in which you apply your lethals matter?

[gentle apex]

Does it proc lethal dose?

[balmy condor]

no

dragon tempered is 30% global reduction

[gentle apex]

The bone spike I mean

[balmy condor]

yes

[gentle apex]

Ah so it's also flat more damage damn

[balmy condor]

that's like

not even the big gain

of the ability

why is that the thing that convinces you

[slate crown]

Are you revamping your player for m+ mobs and stuff?

[balmy condor]

I noticed mark/caustic colors clashing but quazii's color scheme is actual aids to built on as a base

[keen spruce]

I still can only see a hedgehog when I look at Lisonna's pfp

[slate crown]

Goin fast

[waxen oyster]

So I might be cooked but

whats the point of vanishing as deathstalker without improved garrote?

when you already have dn

[runic hinge]

there isn't currently

[balmy condor]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[waxen oyster]

So applying mark then consuming darkest night

puts it ahead by 1 finisher?

[balmy condor]

it should, yes

[waxen oyster]

ahh fair

just seems its much less significant of a cd

without garrote imp

[balmy condor]

imp gar is like 3%, vanish->ambush with no imp gar is like 1%

[waxen oyster]

Oh but due to that bug imp garrote is still better for now

[slate crown]

#1146207476983812117 message

[balmy condor]

marginally better for some

[waxen oyster]

sim angle?

[balmy condor]

when the bug gets fixed imp gar will be straight up worse again

bug isn't in sims

[waxen oyster]

oh

[balmy condor]

cause it's really dumb

[slate crown]

What if Imp garrote is delete

[balmy condor]

and blizzard should fix it like

pronto

[waxen oyster]

yeah it just seems vanish with no imp garrote is barely a gain

on st

[drifting basin]

guys has anyone noticed that u can't find any keys outside of mist, SoB and NW if you try to filter by key level? See picture below:

[balmy condor]

it's a pretty painful issue on sub

[drifting basin]

is there a fix for this?

[balmy condor]

gonna be honest

didn't realize there was an in game filter

I've just used pgf for like 2 expacs

[drifting basin]

so did i, but even with pgf it seems like you cant filter by key level and still find keys anymore??

i just dont get it

dirving me mad

[balmy condor]

worked fine for me

[pliant remnant]

Yep

[waxen oyster]

In normal circumstances of no imp garrote ds its basically just to have the benefits of mark going while still having not consumed DN

[pliant remnant]

Looking for a range doesn't work for me either.

Just looking for a specific number works though.

[pulsar apex]

Vesperal’s plater has different colours from Quazii and the colours are globally changeable by pressing shift when changing a mobs colour. Maybe that global colour change also now works for Quazii?

https://wago.io/PerclknQY

[balmy condor]

yeah and making dn consume a stack

[waxen oyster]

seems hella small

[drifting basin]

oh wtf i just realized that keys show up if instead of writing "8-9" like you used to, you just write 9

[waxen oyster]

for a 2min cd

[drifting basin]

something funky going on