assassination

[worldly sentinel]

so weapon + 1 piece with dawn is fine also?

[hasty moat]

!weak

[slate crown]

Last I checked the line for Tea ties it’s logic to Shiv and not kingsbane.

They happen to line up as well, and if it is easier for you to track on kingsbane for using it with shiv, that is fine, the timeline aura still has a tick for tea available, it’s just disabled by default, but I didn’t delete the tick.

[spice spire]

If you do weapon

I’d do what it says

[hasty moat]

!aura

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[soft void]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Close

[cunning needle]

needs to be /i

using /say doesnt work if you are dead

[hasty moat]

Ty

[hasty moat]

Who can explain, which one is for DPS rotation?

[fickle lotus]

Ah i see what you mean thanks! Yeah I'm using a different WA from dragonflight that still had the vanish timing in it as well so I just modified it slightly to give me a heads up when my first tea and shiv are about to drop 🙂

[hardy venture]

!crafting

!spark

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[slate crown]

If you’re using my timeline and it still has vanish on it then you’re using an older version, which is fine it will still work.

[nova aspen]

are we able to dawnthread boots?

[mortal rivet]

So tickle me this. Stay priority wise. Where am I supposed to be at crit wise ?

Stat

[fickle lotus]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[slate crown]

The “group” ones are all for dps rotation tools. They all work, they’re just different styles

[novel star]

tldr all stats are good just ignore the actual values u have and sim everything

[fickle lotus]

I'm using the Zytech - Kingsbane Timings wa

me when my best stats are hast verse 🤮

[cunning needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[mortal rivet]

Where did you find this 😂

[cunning needle]

stole from whispyr

[spice spire]

Death

[lyric grail]

is there any difference in using dps trinket before or after kingsbane?

[cunning needle]

what trinket

[lyric grail]

like on use pvp trinket with agi

[cunning needle]

that down bad on trinkets eh

[lyric grail]

i dont have anything better atm

[cunning needle]

you want the buff to be up for the last tick of kingsbane

do what you will with this knowledge

[tawdry gulch]

!assa m+

!m+ talents

[cunning needle]

treat it the same as running 1 shiv yeh?

[cunning needle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

nature damage counts as magic school right

dont mind me simming races

[cunning needle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cunning needle]

doesnt the sheet already have race sims?

[novel star]

probably

[cunning needle]

it does

[novel star]

i just wanna see it on my character

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-13392138837084579216

[steep burrow]

!crafted

[novel star]

im just curious ok

like

the 1k dps difference between nightborne and pandaren could change how i feel about the cool glowy hands

you dont get it

[cunning needle]

mechagnome #1 but then you die on 3rd boss siege

because you go for a swim in the fountain

[novel star]

im not looking for optimal race tho

im just simming 2 races i already know arent going to be close to the best dps because im Curious and i like Information

ah i see nvm

Aintnoway the like only 2 races im interested in visually are also right next to eachother in sims

what a coincidence

[shadow tulip]

Does Arterial Precision not work or I fuck something up?
Edit: does it only give 1 CP retardless of how many target it hits?

[obsidian burrow]

super dumb question, since the price of weapon oils are high and bubbling wax only works on main hand, isnt Buzzing Rune still a good alternative to the whetstone or am I missing something?

[crisp pine]

Don't like fem undead?

[vapid geode]

Is there a general rule with using tea in m+? I know we use it with KB and shiv combo. Is there any other scenarios you always press it?

[subtle tundra]

Dracthyr...

Naked dracthyr

[novel star]

i'd get tired of the animation i think

[subtle tundra]

Mrrrawrrr

[novel star]

frontflip is okay but after seeing it a thousand times every day i wouldnt like it anymore

need something more elegant

[copper hazel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=224107/algari-mana-oil its cheaper than stones and still decent

[feral oracle]

Is outlaw the play since the buffs or still assa?

[novel star]

what buffs

outlaw was already the play and got nerfs not buffs

its probably still "the play" if you just look at overall dps

but they dont have burst

and are targetcapped

nothing has changed

[feral oracle]

I thought assa was out performing outlaw

[novel star]

nop

in m+ a little ye but even that depends on pull sizes prob

[covert schooner]

Sorry I'm blind and cant find what dagger I craft in the pins whats the name of it

[novel star]

and party dmg

[novel star]

everforged stabber

[vapid geode]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[covert schooner]

ty

[novel star]

NOT everforged dagger

that one is intellect

[covert schooner]

rgr

[novel star]

and you will cry

[glacial crypt]

need more cleverness stat

[cunning needle]

with caustic splatter

where does the cleave come from

is it centered from the mob?

[glacial crypt]

yes

[subtle tundra]

Holy shit stop mentioning target cap

[cunning needle]

so on a massive ass mob (mists last boss)

[jovial idol]

Does it? I've been able to enchant both weaps with it

[cunning needle]

if there are adds on one side

[subtle tundra]

It's just outlaw propaganda it doesn't matter

[cunning needle]

and im on the other side

[novel star]

[cunning needle]

the splatter will hit?

[novel star]

ive heard insanely good players talk about routing around target caps

so i just assume its real

cus i dont play at that level

and then i move on

[glacial crypt]

now that's actually a good question

just done the boss let me check

[novel star]

but whatever u say boss sorry

[normal mist]

Okay I've returned after the stroke I got from reading that top players use double vanish

How's it going

[cunning needle]

how does caustic splatter work

[glacial crypt]

im going to say yes

to your question

[novel star]

kinda expected

[maiden gust]

what are most people crafting the double crit embellish or the wep/double effect combo?

[subtle tundra]

If you mean doing world first key in tgp sure

Anywhere else is a fucking joke

[novel star]

"most people" would do dawnthread because most people do raid and m+

[glacial crypt]

weapon double effect combo

[maiden gust]

I figured as much

[novel star]

the downside of dawnthread in raid is a lot smaller (often nonexistent) vs the downside of ascendance in m+

[glacial crypt]

for raid it's the best choice, for dungeons if you're an m+ gamer then dawnthread is technically better

but tbh both are good in both content

[subtle tundra]

If you're progging mythic dawn thread is probably dog

[novel star]

yeh mayb i have no idea what theyre doin tbh

[glacial crypt]

that's a comment :^)

[subtle tundra]

And I mean doing brood this week

[cunning needle]

im just running focusing lens because embelishments are trash anyway

[novel star]

exile and kush have ascendance combo i think

but theyre also both playing with insane frost dk fury stacking

so

[subtle tundra]

I mistyped

[novel star]

just in the comp for boss dam

ohh

yeh

[glacial crypt]

^^

[novel star]

makes sense now

[glacial crypt]

makes more sense

[novel star]

yeh for sure

in mythic ur hp is just cooked

[glacial crypt]

9 minute boss fight ascendance will be stacking

you'll get far more value

[novel star]

well the stacks r capped

[glacial crypt]

on our mythic brood that's what I'm running anyway

[novel star]

its just about not being above hp threshold for dawn

[cunning needle]

also in m+ how much are peoples kingsbane hitting for?

[novel star]

you have to be above 80% hp for 80% of the fight

for dawnthread to be equal to ascendance

[novel star]

i think it was 80 uptime anyway

mayb 70 or smt

[glacial crypt]

I don't use it a whole lot but there's mine from last key

1.7mil overall

[cunning needle]

cheers mate

[novel star]

kingsbane value is kinda hidden cus its all in spatter

[cunning needle]

yeah i use the kingsbane counter tracker thing

and im hitting like 3-4m

but i cant tell if thats shit or not

[glacial crypt]

it's not something i focus on this tier

mostly playing around marks instead of big KB

not to say you shouldn't still play KB correctly

[cunning needle]

ye fair

[novel star]

idk i just do low shitter keys

[cunning needle]

also last question before bedge

[novel star]

kingsbane the highest hp mob and smile

[glacial crypt]

real

[cunning needle]

say i have DM up and i'm going into a pack stealthed

when do i cast envenom?

do i still get my garrotes off and rupture

or do i just force max cp asap

[novel star]

depends how long the buff is

you want to do your full opener

and max out IC value

but you can cut it short

if necessary

[cunning needle]

okay so applying bleeds > using DM buff

[novel star]

like replace the gar gar ct with gar gar mut envenom or smt

[cunning needle]

yeah i've sorta been getting my garrotes and ruptures

[novel star]

yeh you want at a minimum rupture up so you can spatter the dn crit

[cunning needle]

before envenoming

garrote -> rupture -> rupture -> garrote -> garrote - > muti -> envenom

or something

[rare pecan]

is it worth making 636 weapon + 619 bracers this week? feel like itll be some time before I get a good wep if im not mythic raiding

[cunning needle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

well youd just do normal like fb opener

so

2 gar 2 rup 2 gar

ct

mut fan env

[warped portal]

is there a weakaura that tells you what you can feint and what not on m+ dungeons?

or a spreadsheet

[rare pecan]

when it says get a dagger would a hero track dagger in both spots be considered big?

[cunning needle]

kk so CT also > DM

[rare pecan]

im tryna push 10 keys but i wont mythic raid likely for time

[cunning needle]

ez thanks

[cunning needle]

i'd just send it

weap is biggest advantage

[rare pecan]

yeah thats what i figured too

[cunning needle]

otherwise you're waiting to get a dagger from vault

[rare pecan]

yeah dont like that rng aspect

[cunning needle]

you can wait for next week see what vault you get next week

but then how long do you wait

[novel star]

i would assume so cus shit cranks

[cunning needle]

i just sent my dagger now

[rare pecan]

yeah makes sense, thanks

gonna send dagger

[novel star]

as long as ur not dning without spatter its prolly like fine

but yeh

[covert schooner]

Do I sim my embelisment? or is there one for sure I get

[cunning needle]

kk that helps cheers

[cunning needle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

only 2 options based on what content you do

so dont really need to sim unless you want to

yeah

[covert schooner]

m+

[cunning needle]

also embelishments are shit

[novel star]

go double dawnthread on armor then

[cunning needle]

do like 1% of your damage or something

[novel star]

and craft an unembellished dagger i guess or just whatever good drop u got

[covert schooner]

for a dagg3er

oh dont embelish daggers?

[novel star]

the only good dagger embellish is ascension but its only better in raid

worse in m+ compared to dawnthread

and unless ur raiding mythic dawnthread will often be roughly equal in raid anyway

[covert schooner]

Dont see dawnthread, forget how this works, is it called that in AH?

[novel star]

dawnthread lining yeh

[covert schooner]

ty

[wooden jasper]

should you only be spreading rupture with 5+ CPs or is more efficient to just fan rupture fan rupture if you had a no-stealth opener

[teal iron]

My current opener is ambush -> garrote -> garrote (to silence everything) -> rapture -> rapture -> tempest -> muti -> fans -> env
anyone have a better one pls let me know 🙂

[cunning needle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[severe sparrow]

havent started m prog yet to see uptime but i feel like i dont spend a lot of time super below 80, either im near full or im dead, or we're about to wipe anyway

[lusty mountain]

man im tired of affix fucking my stealth

and with maze from mist

i hate blizzard

[severe sparrow]

i didnt use the thing that was like dawnthread in df, forgot the name,

yeah what is with the maze and stealth anyway, what causes that?

just a bug?

[hasty moat]

I checked each one and they are all made to just show CD

[iron valve]

going through the wall seems to break stealth from what I saw

[past marten]

I feel like I am going crazy here

[severe sparrow]

it didnt do that in sl did it? i was outlaw so idk, spent less time in stealth

[past marten]

It feels like if I am not the first one to hit the boss in Palace, I am getting taken out of stealth and my ambush wont work

[slate crown]

They show cooldowns and buffs debuff uptimes, energy and resources, and procs those are the tools you need to do dps.

I don’t know what you are asking for other than that

[spice spire]

Yeah

It did it in sl too

Just not every single time

[severe sparrow]

i think theyre asking for like a heliki or whatever the fuck that one is called

[hasty moat]

I'm trying to find a weak aura that will help me with rotation

[severe sparrow]

the "push this button now" kind but

[teal iron]

dont do that, read to understand ur rotation and learn it by heart

[severe sparrow]

youre better off just spending some time on the dummies

[slate crown]

Yeah you won’t find one here that tells you what your next button press is.

The ones that we have here will help you with your rotation

[hasty moat]

I'm a newbie and just getting used to it. I would like to deal enough damage in the keys and in the raid

[slate crown]

Because they give you the tools you need, and emphasize the important stuff

[wicked valve]

whats the thing that prompts the vanish tip? !vanish

?

[dense kernel]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[severe sparrow]

i dont know if there are classes that can use those rotation addons effectively tbh, but assassination is not going to be one for sure

but

[slate crown]

Mf scared to try a command in case it doesn’t work and everyone points and laughs

[fickle lotus]

social anxiety debuff too strong

[fading plinth]

!findmydad

damn

[slate crown]

Ngl same

[spice spire]

100% will bully anyone who messed up a command

[wicked valve]

Hey man, are you ok? Ill give you a hug if you need it. But just tell me if picking on people makes you feel better.

[spice spire]

Every time

!selfpromotion

Damn thought LE would show up

[slate crown]

It’s ok, we’ve all made the mistake

[hasty moat]

Okay, these are the talents that I use, but sometimes I am overtaken in damage by people dressed weaker than me

[wicked valve]

!huglisonnacausenooneelsewill

[severe sparrow]

to make the rotation simple you can just think ez mode:
put bleeds on
put on slice n dice
keep envenom buff up
"big time go": deathmark shiv kingsbane, 2nd shiv part way though kingsbane

[wicked valve]

Did I do it right?

[severe sparrow]

there's obviously more nuance to that but

[fickle lotus]

"dressed weaker than me" sounds like a jojo phrase

[severe sparrow]

that's like 80% of the way there

[slate crown]

Probably not native English speaker, all good.

[tough basalt]

Is this your ST?

[fickle lotus]

i know but i'm just saying it goes hard

[slate crown]

It does

[hasty moat]

ST?

[fickle lotus]

single target

[hasty moat]

Thank you

Yeah, that's right

[tough basalt]

Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but taking exsanguinate in ST is kind of counter productive

Since you want to be below 50 percent energy most of the time

[glacial crypt]

spread bleeds, CT then start caustic-ing

[tough basalt]

For more envenom uptime

[hasty moat]

On the contrary, sometimes I don't have enough energy

Could u recommend the best talent build for a single target

[tough basalt]

Yeah that’s the point. You want to be energy starved
You want to pool just enough to keep envenom buff applied, but not so much that you’re wasting possible envenom usage with 200 energy

[spice surge]

The vast majority of the power of that talent on ST is during deathmark

And then you'll be above 50%

[tough basalt]

Oh so it’s still ran just for that 20s window?

[spice surge]

If you dont have VV, so for fatebound

[vapid geode]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[tough basalt]

Yeah ok that’s what I thought. So you replace it with vv

[slate crown]

!guide wowhead is updated. Also lots and lots of builds are extremely close. Review Pins for some info

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fleet coral]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[limber dew]

How good is madness of the betrayer for us?

It simmed really well for me so I upped it to 619.

But wondered what other people thought/simmed like using it

[soft shale]

basically a ghetto spyglass

but a ghetto spyglass still decent

[slim pebble]

What talents are yall running in keys

bleed build?

[novel star]

hybrid personally

depends on group dam prob

but most keys for me things live long enough to get big kb spatters so

[hasty moat]

Okay, I kind of understood what you were conveying to me. Thanks guys

[whole stratus]

how is mercurial egg trinket simmed? if it's simmed as standing still, is there a way to make the stats more balanced or choose the mastery instead of agi?

[hasty moat]

Another question is, what should I do if I run out of energy mid-fight? The tea is also over

[deft oracle]

Anyone know when the wow analyzer will be updated to have rogues on it?

[tired gull]

maybe sometime between now and never

[shy pecan]

Pool

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[shy pecan]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[tough basalt]

Just gotta hope you don’t. It’s practice. Keep an eye on envenom buff and use envenom just before it expires. I would tea outside of CDs only if you really have to to maintain that buff

[west crown]

These help

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hasty moat]

I realized that I need to approach things wisely 😄

[worn badger]

watching whys youtube video and him calling monster "water" and im laughing too much to retain knowledge

[slate crown]

But is he wrong?

[worn badger]

i depends on if its the "restore" or the regular one

plus im on like 50mg of vyvannse so i cant handle even coffee anymore

[urban anvil]

Hi guys. Im trying to make a focus target macro

[stable scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[urban anvil]

i want to be able to retarget my focus target

i tried /target (focustarget)

doesnt work

or i mean /target focustarget

doesnt work

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[exotic pulsar]

in 2 target cleave do we use FoK to consume clear the witnesses if we have vicious venoms talented?

[normal mist]

I want to say yes but i'm not 100% sure

I've been doing it

[exotic pulsar]

Ye the guide is basically only for ST and then large AoE so 2 target seems a bit lost

even his WA package hides CTW if you have vicious venoms talented

[cinder quartz]

i assume yes because VV only barely beats out FoK via damage boost to mut

[exotic pulsar]

should probably not hide the buff with that talent then for brief aoe / adds

[sweet shore]

!fii

!fuu

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[weary oar]

Hey guys, it's a kinda dumb question, but is trick of trades removed since tww?

[iron valve]

no, it's a choice talent in the general tree

[shy pecan]

No, it's a talent now

[normal mist]

a bad talent

but a talent

[weary oar]

ahh thanks!

found it! thanks guys

[jovial inlet]

mastery + crit for our missives, right?

[normal mist]

Yesn't

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[jovial inlet]

ty!

[normal mist]

Fair, i see what you did there

[gusty mirage]

What did I do

[midnight wolf]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

+5 recipe difficulty

[gusty mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?ex=65592c45&is=6546b745&hm=6a1849f8319d284826b46f6e257e341b8146d1cfe4944d74f6c4442650e080e5&

Well that’s quite the misplaced copy and paste

[runic hinge]

Missed you

[normal mist]

This is the second time you randomly post this on the channels xD

[rocky spear]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

I’m going to ask you to stop self promoting this over and over

This is your only warning

[random blaze]

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[warm vortex]

Is it a safe bet to just get dawnthread lining
cause it says its best for assa but smth else is better for sub but damthread is still better

ofc ill wait until i can craft it max rank

[balmy condor]

Dawnthread is our all around option

[warm vortex]

alright
so its the safest bet youd say for someone wanting to play 2 specs (maybe all 3 aswell)

just to save money n shiz

[rose bolt]

It's not promoting I'm genuinely asking for feedback for the WA pack. But alright then.

[south lava]

can we craft 610 dagger with spark?

[balmy condor]

636

[south lava]

without

i mean sorry

[balmy condor]

Oh

Without its… 606?

Not sure

610 maybe you’re right

[cobalt sphinx]

610 is pvp dagger

[south lava]

i used my sparks on wrist belt, but my dagger is 597 thats why looking to craft 610 😄

[cobalt sphinx]

you can make it with forged gladiator things

forged gladiator heraldry

[south lava]

i dont have forged gladiator heraldry, i assumed it can only get by pvp?

[normal mist]

yes

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you just run a couple epic bgs and in your first few wins you'll get an artisan's consortium advertisement that you can hand in for 9 of them

[normal mist]

win 1 bg

[south lava]

i see

thank you

[cobalt sphinx]

unlucky you sparked belt and wrist

for anyone else doing pvp, belt and wrist are really good pvp items because you can socket them

i think rwf players are putting sockets on pvp belt and wrist for min/max

might be mad expensive though, kind of a last week kind of thing

[quick kelp]

my goodness i switched from sub to assa this expac and been really enjoying how it plays

[wind lynx]

4pc Brood question, with the extra damage coming from tinture and mainly proccing castic splatter of mut spams, i see a toss up between Crimson tempest or 2xZoldyck/Arterial Precision. If the mobs die fast and it turns into 1/2 spiders+Boss, its prob not viable to run CT and just use funnel damage to proc caustics onto the spiders and focus boss since our spec has to ramp, no?

[spare flame]

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[cobalt sphinx]

4p shouldn't really affect your decision much

[balmy condor]

Tier has no impact on your decisions at all but general meta seems to be just let frost dk do adds and slam boss for caustic damage

[turbid canopy]

!fuu

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[covert schooner]

before I mess this up, everything look right here?

[indigo mulch]

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[balmy condor]

yeah hero crest yep

looks good

[flint tusk]

whats the missive

just to check

[proven jasper]

No embel?

[covert schooner]

haste vers

What embelishment because I bought something, thinking it was one

but it wasnt

which is it for m+?

[balmy condor]

you don't embel dagger for m+

[lavish hazel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[covert schooner]

yeah then Im god

good

[balmy condor]

haste/vers is a strange missive but it's chill

[dense talon]

!fuu

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[balmy condor]

at that point might as well just like

remove the missive

[covert schooner]

I just looked at the top players

[balmy condor]

and let god take the wheel

well they're simming themselves

and crafting their best stat option

[covert schooner]

I'll sim it and see

[balmy condor]

that is not your best stat option

[novel star]

craft no missive

be based

[covert schooner]

tru

[balmy condor]

that's what I do

[flint tusk]

snap. i just somehow rolled a cozy combo
haste/mastery

[novel star]

i got crit vers belt w no missive like 30 min ago

crit is the bis in slot stat dude!

[royal python]

i had 22 stacks of heads, without lucky coin? bug or intentional

[novel star]

lucky coin sometimes doesnt apply idk its weird

game is bad

[royal python]

v bad

[past forum]

no missive angle so you can get a discount on concentration from the crafter

[royal python]

i dont see this bug mentioned in the pinned sheet

been happening regularly since the mythic + season started

pack to pack in dungeons, if you move with edge cases, and open from stealth you dont get lucky coin when hit 7

you just keep stacking one of the flips

till you flip otherway

[burnt turret]

!craft

[novel star]

its smth related to double jeopardy i think

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

i dont know rly

[willow wren]

How bad is it to throw an immune envenom into mist 2nd boss during intermission to get darkest night back for the add...

[winged widget]

tried doing it against ansurek's little immune moment right before p2 yesterday and it wouldn't consume stacks.

[willow wren]

it consumes it on the mists boss psure

idk it feels like I do so little dmg to intermission add without hero talent stacking

and then on high enough keys uve just lost ur hero talent entirely after intermission is done

[novel star]

ct for the last mark instead

[crisp stream]

Is it okay to craft 2 daggers with sparks? I don't think I'll get a weapon anytime soon

[cobalt sphinx]

offhand suck

sim it, offhand will sim like garbage

mainhand is good though

[cloud basin]

Main hand is the one that counts for damage though too isn't it?

[hasty moat]

Guys, explain the rotation, because I asked a guy in the raid, he wants 100k for an explanation

[winged widget]

does he go immune or just 99% DR or something?

[willow wren]

ah mistcaller is 100% dr but not immune ig?

idk if its coded differently

[young dust]

are these the biggest "daggers" in the game?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that seems like it'd work then

[keen spruce]

these sheath on your back too

[lofty nymph]

what race you guys play? Does it matter in terms of damage?

[tepid lichen]

i think this one is bigger idk

[spice spire]

Yes

It will work

[royal python]

is it double jeapordy or a bug around having to wait a little more than a GCD when you proc 7 flips for lucky coin to register

[novel star]

have no idea

outlaw chat might know i think ive seen ppl talk in there about lucky coin not working

[spice spire]

Fatebound

[royal python]

ok

[young dust]

oh nice, didnt know there were daggers that sheathed on the back

[lofty nymph]

prob those are the biggest

[keen spruce]

they're the only ones

and idk if they're obtainable anymore

[tepid lichen]

they are

[winged widget]

bring back the beta Regicide that was as long as the Sikran intellect 1-hander

[tepid lichen]

sin artifact wep also sheathes on back

[winged widget]

😦

[silk lotus]

What are those

[young dust]

i kind of miswrote "biggest", but i was referring to longers, that one seems like a sword

[keen spruce]

racial damage is very marginal

[keen spruce]

normally just go for looks or utility

[keen spruce]

oh tru

[runic hinge]

you can get them but last boss zg is kinda a bitch solo

[young dust]

Gurubashi Poker

don't recall from where they're from but i bought in AH

[tepid lichen]

its part of the ZG crafting stuff they added

used to be a drop from old ZG

[somber patrol]

is shard of azz any good? lel

[runic hinge]

No

Proc chance is hella low and it doesn't have secondaries

[somber patrol]

Ok yea thank you.

[long pagoda]

hey which part we dont want to use for the bonus set ?

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

[hasty moat]

Could someone help make a marco for Deathmark + trinket

[pure moth]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion

[clear nexus]

do you save CDs for Anub'arash until he's entangled, idk at what time he does the charge first time

[pure moth]

jsut make sure trinkets in bottom slot

[balmy condor]

try letter opener

[clear nexus]

i wanna pop everything on opener

[drowsy creek]

With fatebound, you should use cold blood only in deathmark window or you can send it on CD?

[runic hinge]

send on cd, not during edge case tho

[weary shoal]

!fuu

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[copper pine]

can someone link a tricks makro for tank ?

[twin bolt]

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[drowsy creek]

Oh ok, if its on CD, will be hard to allign with edge case I guess

[runic hinge]

Right, so wait until after your initial deathmark and then on cd after that

[brittle quail]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[copper pine]

how does it work ?

[brittle quail]

install wa

create macro with the text

use the macro

[copper pine]

ty

[slim compass]

I've been having so much trouble with Sin that it's pushing me to going back to Sub, but I really want to like this tree. I'm constantly getting beat in damage by warriors, warlocks, and mages. The only time I ever get a decent log is the Sikran fight and even then I only managed about an 84. Anybody down to coach me or send me some good videos explaining the spec? I already saw Whispyrs and it was solid, but there's still something I'm clearly missing

[novel star]

you can try posting logs here and getting someone to do a review

@ makeitquake

[slim compass]

Cool. Ty. I got some from wipefest and wcl. I'll do that

[west crown]

I mean they do better single target than us so it’s expected if they are playing at the same level as you

[drowsy creek]

Wait, sim dungeon slice build is showing deathstalker with cold blood and not echoing reprimand, is this right?

[hasty moat]

Thanks a lot, u amazing!

[wooden latch]

random as fuck but it would be pretty cool if float like a butterfly wasnt tied to restless blades & was based off combo points spent & on the class tree, or might be dumb but sounds cool

[runic hinge]

#outlaw

[slim compass]

Really stupid question but do I just share my character id? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/57296405#

[novel star]

prob fine yeh

[whole steeple]

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[novel star]

QUAAAAAAAAAAAKE

[slim compass]

I usually sim with dungeon slice and patchwerk, maybe I should be simming heavy movement instead?

[runic hinge]

no

[novel star]

naw those are good

[slim compass]

oh ok at least I'm getting that right lol

[hasty moat]

Who can explain his rotation ?

[west crown]

Are you playing deathstalker?

[slim compass]

Yes

[west crown]

Well off the bat you aren’t opening with ambush and you aren’t pressing envenom enough

So deathstalker isn’t even active

[novel star]

he did open with ambush on the sikran log

[slim compass]

So even at less than max points, I should envenom? Not taking echoing reprimand into account

[west crown]

I checked Bloodbound was trying to help the bad one lol

[novel star]

ic

[slim compass]

Yeah thanks, bloodbound and silken court are abysmal

[shy pecan]

No one can from a details screenshot.

[west crown]

5+ to trigger a stack and max to reapply

[spice surge]

You should be finishing at 5+

Outside of darkest night

[novel star]

also dont do this

[slim compass]

oh so don't vanish to get an ambush off

[novel star]

unless ur mark like bugged out

technically its a minmax to ambush vanish when things are working properly but its like 0.7% and bugged rn so it doesnt do anything

the ambush isnt actually better than a mutilate

[slim compass]

got it tyty so much for all this

[novel star]

you would just do it for an extra mark pop

if it worked

[hybrid aurora]

yop guys how do u reset with rogue in raid ? Poisoned knife => Vanish ?

[novel star]

other than that your shivs arent covering 100% of your kbs

opener kb you lose shiv uptime for a sec i think and 1:12 kb you dont shiv until 1:17 which is quite bad

[slim compass]

would it be better to macro shiv/kb

[novel star]

you cant

both are on gcd

[proud pelican]

Is it ever worth losing like 3s of rupture uptime to squeeze one more envenom in a KB window?

[slim compass]

ok so I just need a better keybind that makes it faster to do that

[west crown]

@slim compass another thing I’d check is specs for each boss that the wowhead guide has. I noticed you didn’t have caustic spatter on Silken Court

[slim compass]

Yeah, you're right. I haven't brought myself to having a spec for each boss, but I guess that's hurting me

[novel star]

i mean honestly it looks like you just need to hit the dummy for a bit

your openers are varying a lot

youre building a big slice and dice on rashanan for some reason instead of using the SBS point for it

[slim compass]

Yeah I can't remember why I did that

[novel star]

just forgor prolly

[marble cradle]

not related to ur logs but a general advice only compare yourself with same class and spec not to others every class/spec have different damage profiles and numbers u would be depressin yourself for nothing

[novel star]

our opener is kinda long its fair enuf

[west crown]

I love comparing myself to fury warriors on cleave fights with adds

[novel star]

this is insane by the way never do this

main hand ilvl matters a LOT and offhand ilv is almost irrelevant

[slim compass]

Yeah it's just hard to go from always the biggest damage dealer to this. I always led raids in damage. Hell I was class leader since vanilla

but you're right

[novel star]

i mean

assuming good player playing with good guild

like everyone locked in

sin will never top charts

we just arent that good in st

[slim compass]

Yeah I might've just gotten it, but I'll keep that in mind. I fixed that already

[novel star]

only if youre a good bit above the skill/comfort level of ur raid can u do top dam with sin rly

or just geared as balls

yeh its really just a consistency thing

the sikran log was played mostly correct with a few mistakes but this rashanan log is very confusing

dm-shiv-kb cd order was correct but you dont use tea for like 12 sec

so ur just capped on tea charges for a long time

[slim compass]

most of the time in fights, I feel liek I'm paying more attention to mechanics and trying to avoid everything than concentrating on the damage. I feel like Blizzard hates us 🥲

[novel star]

u want that on cd pretty quick in the opener so you dont lose casts over the fight

[novel star]

i mean yeah focusing on mechanics is good

thats why you gotta smack the training dummies

so you can autopilot rotation while putting mental into mechanics

[slim compass]

so dummies are our lab

[soft void]

Is sub harder to learn than sin?

[novel star]

imo yeah

sub cd desync shit is annoying

[quaint locust]

anyone know what are the best trinkets for m+?

[slim compass]

any addons I should use to analyze dummy training or anything like that?

[novel star]

sin st is pretty simple you just have to stop pressing buttons sometimes

[rose prairie]

Does anyone know if the Madness of the betrayer trinket is any good from the timewalking raid? It is of same ilvl with my other trinkets: Shadowbinding ritual knife and Sikran's endless arsenal! Sorry I have no idea how to sim that's why i'm asking :/

[novel star]

you can log dummies the same way u log pulls i think

[slim compass]

oh for real

never knew that

[novel star]

yeh

ive never used the log app but heard ppl talk about doin it

also what we pressing kidney for on rash

but yeh idk im not that good at looking at logs so i can only point out the obvious shit other ppl are better at dis

[slim compass]

maybe kick on kd so I panicked

[marble cradle]

icy veins had a guide about simming if you write wow how to sim u can easily learn how to do it u will use a lot so its better to learn

[dense kernel]

does somebody have the DPS diff with and without a tierset ?

[novel star]

~2.4%

[rose prairie]

Oki thanks!

[novel star]

from 0p to 4p

our tier sux

1.2 each

[west crown]

At this point I’m just getting tier for transmog it’s so low

[novel star]

i mean

its still better than not having it

we arent full pre tuning outlaw moment

just not thrilled either

[dense kernel]

thank you ^^

[slim compass]

Thank you all for the help. Gotta' go take care of some work, but I'll definitely go hit the dummy more

you're all legends

[terse island]

Can anybody explain to my smooth brain why Bait and Switch is so OP, and how I should be using it? I see lots of people saying it's really good but no detailed explanation of why.

[fresh mulch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/39#dataset=95
is sub outperforming assa in m+ or is this just raiders who dont bother to respec for m+? or am i reading it wrong? or maybe this is an unreliable way to look at it

[crimson zephyr]

Sim: 542k dps Me: 419k dps - How close should I be able to get to it? Simmed with no buffs vs. me hitting a dungoneering puppet

[marble cradle]

its damage reduction and u dont really have one. feint only works on aoe unless u have talent for it to work on normal attacks

[terse island]

Should I basically be using evasion any time I'm likely to take any magic damage then? Send it on cooldown?

[west crown]

I’d say closer than that. Time to hit the dummy more

[crimson zephyr]

also the dmg distribution is way different - I think I do something wrong?

[west crown]

As far as distribution goes you may want to do the sim and hit the dummy for the same amount of time

[crimson zephyr]

I did

5 minutes 😄

I lack knowledge for sure so tons to improve but can the sim do things like "vanish for the last 3 s of kignsbane" etc?

[west crown]

? 4 hits of envenom

[crimson zephyr]

no way

didnt notice that but I had way more than that

wait somehow this all makes no sense

give me aswecond

[marble cradle]

not really u dont have much defensive skills (not counting feint since its only aoe without talent) so u should be using when u know there is heavy magic dmg coming but u also have cloak so hard to say depends what u are facing and whats your options

[crimson zephyr]

bone spike sticked to the dummy and made 40 entries in details xD

[west crown]

I use evasion as a last resort for magic damage. But i play to never get aggro so I don’t have to dodge either

[crimson zephyr]

ok way better now lol sorry and thanks

[terse island]

ty

[marble cradle]

u need to run far away to remove bone spike from dummies its perma debuff on enemy

[crimson zephyr]

yeah I noticed ^^

thanks tho

it says uptime for rupture was 11% and for garrote 9% - what does that mean? I basically keep it up non stop, no way it's just 10%

ah, okay - don't get the reporting but seems like it just takes the lower value or something

thanks I'll go reread guides

[weak hemlock]

Hi, should I watch out for the increased duration time on Rupture when I want to keep it on the target? So due to the deathstalker talent its duration is increased by 3 sec. So on 7 combo point its duration is 35 sec. Is this mean its new pandemic is 10.5 sec?

[warm vortex]

necrotic is so overtuned oml

[marble cradle]

if u have any wa to track ur dots probably u have like glow or something for pandemic window

u cant really keep track of pandemic manually since u will be pressing at different time frames it will change everytime

[weak hemlock]

Yes, I know. I am just curious about the numbers.

[arctic socket]

Triple spear third boss

Spec elusiveness

Win

[marble cradle]

then yea its %30 of the total duration

[arctic socket]

(Bring health pots)

[nova aspen]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[weak hemlock]

Thank you!

[sleek patrol]

team does the last boss ring get buffed for assa or it doesn normal damage

[balmy condor]

same as any other class that can do nature damage

items do not interact with class mechanics

[knotty canopy]

in m+ with only 1 charge of shiv, do we still press it before kingsbane or for the last 8 secs?

[timid ginkgo]

Is it worth to go 4 venoms ?

[balmy condor]

most every build takes dragon tempered yes

[balmy condor]

last 8

[knotty canopy]

ty sir

[arctic socket]

Ring damage

Kinda cracked

[lapis helm]

i read the pooling thing. makes sense for st. do we just send envenom in m+?

[arctic socket]

You will never have a energy problem in m+ if you’re spreading your ruptures

So yeah blast envrnoms

[lapis helm]

ahh yea true

[dire ivy]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
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[royal lantern]

finished a +10 grim batol for weekly vault

1 hour 30 min

[balmy condor]

ilvl issue

[royal lantern]

everyone had to swap to ST talents for the last 2bosses

[royal lantern]

i like the 3rd boss knockback just casualy chunking me for 94% oh my max hp

[subtle tundra]

guys

im playing double vanish

do i remove DS or ER

[balmy condor]

left as an exercise to the reader

[past forum]

my last grim batol, the fury warrior accidentally ran the key in "ST talents" and was still cranking us on trash"

[subtle tundra]

double vanish is needed to get mark on 3rd boss

😦

[royal lantern]

cus fury warrior has passive cleave on everything lol

[balmy condor]

on 3rd boss of what

[subtle tundra]

nw

[balmy condor]

????????

[royal lantern]

you use vanish???

or the first DN

[past forum]

hey big dog have u heard of DN (no this is not a setup for a joke)

[balmy condor]

yeah you just hold dn and vanish after

[subtle tundra]

yea but boss goes up 3 times

[timid ginkgo]

do we play with 3 or 4 poison activ in m+?

[balmy condor]

rough

[subtle tundra]

its a 10..

[royal lantern]

and he comes down before the 60seconds are over?

[balmy condor]

why would you run 3

[narrow basalt]

When do I use ascendence serum? right before dm

[balmy condor]

yes

[narrow basalt]

I have poopoo trinket luck

[timid ginkgo]

ampliefiy deadly and numbling ?

[balmy condor]

and crippling

[timid ginkgo]

so 4

okay ^^

[arctic gust]

hey guys, what is the most effective way to use thistle tea? Only in the dmg windows of kingsbane or also possible during fight because of energy starvation?

[hexed matrix]

whisypr do i use axes or daggers, asking for a friend

[balmy condor]

during shiv, for energy

[past forum]

hey just wondering should i attack the boss or myself

[winged widget]

dont forget NW trinket and oil of deep toxins for 5th and 6th poisons

[balmy condor]

good meme

[turbid crest]

Is on ST should the dtail looks like that ?

[slate robin]

What is acceptable DPS in M+ for 600 ilvl?

[turbid crest]

700-900k overall

depend tanks / key

[balmy condor]

that sounds really low

[soft merlin]

gotta love DM on first boss in mist

🙂

[balmy condor]

700k is like single target

[slate robin]

Thanks, I ask because I got 750k on 7 ara Kara, the hunter for 900k and the Ret got 1mill

[royal lantern]

but worth it, gotta get that 623 wrist next week

[royal lantern]

you...vanish for the big guy and apply a imp.garrote anyway

like, idk

ye, Mark and deathstalker in general sucks

but its not a real problem there

[soft merlin]

ofc, I know but still sucks

[royal lantern]

thats what you have vanish for, and you would use it anyway when he gets vurnable

[lethal arrow]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[slate robin]

I really dislike single target for 'sin after the burst wears off :S

[lethal arrow]

oof thats a tad bit outdated

I swapped to assa last night for ansurek prog, can someone help look over a log to correct some mistakes

[floral solstice]

Why do we see more and more assa in mythic raids ? Even on single target ?

Is this really all there is to it ? 😄

[lethal arrow]

id imagine its the same for outlaw too

[spice surge]

Not sure why hes pressing feint to begin with, it doesnt work on the blazes

[lethal arrow]

assa just has better uptime

[solar bramble]

Curious question on how you guys manage AoE in keys. I seem to be having difficulty juggling it all.

1. 5 active ruptures (20% dex, and energy regeneration)
2. Crimson tempest active and running
3. burst windows with Envenom/mutilate through caustic splatter.

The issue i'm mostly running into is globals. 2-3 (sometimes 4) globals per rupture reapplication, and/or crimston tempest application. so if we average that at 3 each. that's about 15 seconds to apply the ruptures, and 2 crimson tempests around that. so 21 seconds. with a 5 point rupture only being 27 seconds. . . fitting in those mutilates > envenoms. or a kingsbane somewhere seems . . . tight

[turbid crest]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift dagger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[novel star]

the best players in the world have logic like this for why they make every decision on every fight yeah

[royal lantern]

my logic is "i dont like Sub gameplay since DF"

[winged widget]

it does if you play elusiviness, no?

20% DR

[spice surge]

Ye if you have elusiveness it does

[novel star]

ye hes using elusiveness im p sure

he legit just dies without it

through cheat

fight is fucked

[winged widget]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/progress/488971?zone=38
apparently he is

[west crown]

I’m usually opening with double garrote, double rupture. FoK into CT and then Env KB, etc…

[solar bramble]

the opening is fine. it's when chain pulling or longer fights when the opening ruptures aren't enough and need reapplication

[dense cove]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[solar bramble]

if my CP filled as fast as sub with one FoK, i wouldn't really have too much trouble. though still 12 globals for maintenance dots.

[west crown]

I mean if you are pulling big enough it should be about 10-14 gcd to get rupture going again. And if they are below half health after initial bleeds expire I’m probably just cleaving with caustic, FoK and CT

[solar bramble]

and withotu being able to spatter, my damage drops like 30% easily

i need the bleeds both for the agility and the energy to gcd cap. without at least 3-4 active i'll run out of energy

[fallow sonnet]

what do you guys do about tanks chain pulling. do we just whine in party and ask them not to chain pull so we can re

for m+

[solar bramble]

it can be managed by applying ruptures whiel chain pulling,

it's annoying but doable. and takes three times as many globals (or more) of getting bleeds up

[fallow sonnet]

i swear my dps goes from 1 mil overall to 560k

its insane

if they chain pull

[west crown]

These are high keys I’m assuming right? 6+

[solar bramble]

depends on how long things live. if they live very litle time you wont have the time to get them up, get spatter going, and get spreading off that target for most of our damage. . . at least that's what it seems like to me.

[fallow sonnet]

nah for like 4s

[solar bramble]

probably better to get 2-3 bleeds out, and let the deaths of thsoe mobs generate energy. and spatter a main target while praying

[west crown]

Idk I’m usually cranking more than that with Sudden Demise

[solar bramble]

at least that's what it feels like to me

if i take the full globals to get ruptures up on chain pulls. if it's bursted before i get a few more globals out . . . i do jack

[west crown]

5 is optimal but 3 is enough to keep energy going

[jovial inlet]

Do we get an additional catalyst charge on Tuesday? For a total of 2?

[fallow sonnet]

ye

[jovial inlet]

ty!

[west crown]

I’ve found myself spamming stealth as the pack dies when the tank is going faster

[fallow sonnet]

you garrote as well on the chain pulls or just rupture into envenom caustic splatter spam?

like if u cant re

[fallow sonnet]

ofc same

[solar bramble]

chain pulling is one of the few reasons i hate sin in dungeons, but like sin at the same time. . . tanks that don't chain pull i'm happy, tanks that do i'm unhappy. not because it isn't doable but because it takes soooo long to get going on a new pack without IC

[edgy trellis]

!set

[solar bramble]

i do wish IC would just remove the stealth requirement entirely. and i'd just always be happy

especially since it's not 8 targets anymore and only 3

[azure coyote]

Anyone have a plater script for caustic spatter to make it glow or push the nameplate out? Or can help direct me where to find my answer?

[solar bramble]

needing several globals for caustic spatter on top is what kind of makes it overloaded. .. if spatter was gone and CT did more, or if IC didn't require stealth etc. . . . it's the needing both, and both taking setup. that makes it feel like it's too much

[west crown]

I’m garroting the main targets so 1-2 per pack without restealth

[unreal cove]

!set

[solar bramble]

ya garrote on main target i do as well. purely because it takes too long to maintain energy with a lot of ruptuers being needed. I just can't keep up with 5, and have enough globals to do much of anything else. . . i spend 90% of the pulls beyond the first just applying ruptures and CT

and go from respectable damage to . . . why are you in this key . . levels of damage

[west crown]

Probably should be spamming vanish

[fallow sonnet]

whats ct?

[silent stratus]

do you guys know any bug regarding necrotic wake 3rd boss hook? it keeps hooking nothing even if nobody is in front of him

[solar bramble]

yes . . . the 2m cooldown being spammed lol

Crimson Tempest

[fallow sonnet]

oh

[solar bramble]

i'm not an outlaw

[west crown]

Haven’t run into it

[fallow sonnet]

isnt there some talent (in single target build) that increases garrote damag when used from stealth or am i vanishing for no reason during burst rotation

i swear i thought there was but my WA isnt lighting garrote up hwen i vanish

[solar bramble]

your doing it for more than garroe

master assassin last 3 seconds

in kingsbane window

in 11.0.5 it'll be 5 seconds

[west crown]

11.0.5 can’t come any sooner. I’m running double vanish for keys when it does

[solar bramble]

theirs also the improved garrote on the vanish too. but that's minor compared to the crit bonus to the last few seconds of kingsbane

[gloomy otter]

whats the budget version for weapon buffs?

[dawn canyon]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spice surge]

if you dont have improved garrote you wouldnt vanish for garrote no

Because then it doesnt do anything

[west crown]

Lower quality

[limber dew]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

low rank mana oil

[solar bramble]

master assassin was removed was it? looking through the class tree and don't see the icon.

[slate crown]

It’s still there

[solar bramble]

shows shadowrunner with that icon now

[spice surge]

Its not in the class tree

[west crown]

Passive now

[novel star]

wow, skardyn!

[spice surge]

(and hasnt been ever)

[fallow sonnet]

idt i have master assassin ? im using the nexus princess kyveza build in this setup

on wowhead

[solar bramble]

ya it's there.

[bitter apex]

Did they fix the combo points thing for DS so you can run full echoing repimand talents now ? I saw it was fixed for Sub but it didnt say anything about Sin

[novel star]

its in the spec tree lol

not the class tree

[slate crown]

Pins

[solar bramble]

i'm just used to it having the iceon presently used by shadowrunner

[novel star]

hmm

[spice surge]

Pure ST build doesnt have imp garrote or master assassin correct

[solar bramble]

looked for icon and hovered over

[fallow sonnet]

so i dont need to vanish during kingsbane window for a better garrote?

[solar bramble]

if theirs no master assassin or improved garrote, then i don't know why you'd vanish in burst.

[fallow sonnet]

or i guess its worth for the +2 combo points

[solar bramble]

ambush maybe?

[bitter apex]

It wont load on my phone

[fallow sonnet]

yeah fair

[novel star]

if you have improved garrote you vanish for improved garrote

if you dont you dont

[winged widget]

I think if the key gets completed faster and on time, in exchange for my overall dps self appreciation, I'm totally ok with it.

[novel star]

[fallow sonnet]

i guess i ambush instead of garrote

[novel star]

you just dont vanish for dps

[slate crown]

Well, yes, it’s all fixed

[west crown]

It does

[digital venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

vanish ambush is bugged to not give an extra stack

[slate crown]

(Except that marks got broken with ambush ^)

[spice surge]

No

[solar bramble]

i only recall DF when i watched whyper break down the entire t hing. and it was MA mostly for why you vanished in the last 2-3 seconds of kingsbane. and last 5 seconds for shiv and thistle tea

[novel star]

so without it being used for the extra deathstalker mark its just worse than mutilating

[distant monolith]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

If you dont have imp garrote vanish doesnt do anyhting, you dont need to cast it

[bitter apex]

Does that mean we no longer run 2 points in the crit talent ?

[spice surge]

Mutilate and ambush does the same damag

[solar bramble]

master assassin as well

[novel star]

ambushing for extra mark was like +0.7%dmg patchwerk sim

before it was bugged

now it does nothing

so you just hold vanish for adds or bugs

[solar bramble]

if taken

[fallow sonnet]

ok

ty

❤️

[spice surge]

Tell me how you spec master assassin without imp garrote

[novel star]

manifest it

[solar bramble]

you don't.

[winged widget]

i much prefer this, ngl. makes the "oh no i lost my mark and have no way to re-apply it" moments way less frequent

[novel star]

yea same

imp gar and venoms sim the exact same currently

[solar bramble]

ya vanish for marks and adds i like a lot more than needing it for the 2m window

[novel star]

gar just better burst windows

but idgaf

[solar bramble]

more flexible

[novel star]

vanish qol is insane

[fallow sonnet]

ohhhh i should vanish for ambush from stealth to apply deathstalkers mark

[solar bramble]

ya now make it a 1m cd outside pvp

[fallow sonnet]

right?

[solar bramble]

for non outlaws

[spice surge]

if you already have the mark or darkest night it doesnt matter

[slate crown]

Correct. You take Resounding

[solar bramble]

cause i want it for those chain pull tanks lol. . . not because it isn't duable. but my sanity would rather apply faster

[spice surge]

Without imp garrote, you dont need to vanish

[fallow sonnet]

ah

ok

[tacit wedge]

Question for my fellow rogues
Does anyone else experience issues with trick on Brann? It often feel like none of my threat is redirected to him

[bitter apex]

Thanks a lot sorry for asking but my phone is being ass -_-

[west crown]

Interesting, Whispyr has you vanishing on the single target rotation anyway

[spice surge]

Yes

But its bugged right now

so it doesnt matter

[novel star]

that assumes the bug gets fixed

he doesnt want to update the shit back and forth every hotfix

[jovial imp]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[foggy quarry]

please guys tell me, during kingsbane buff, IF you did not refreshed bleeds before, do you refresh it during KB or you just spam envenom? and depending on your answer, is it the same rule during DM + KB ?

[normal mist]

you need bleeds in order to get energy

[west crown]

Easy answer is refresh bleeds before

[normal mist]

if you need to bleed, bleed

[gentle badger]

Do we still try to use our thistle tea the last 6 seconds of kingsbane? Even if near full energy?

[west crown]

Overcapping energy with Tea during KB isn’t worth the mastery buff

[gentle badger]

Okay good to know, thanks! So just use it last 6 seconds of KB if the energy won't go to waste, and otherwise just when needed?

[foggy quarry]

i was wondering if as the KB window is so short, isnt it better to use evenom for KB buff

[west crown]

Yeah I personally use it sub 220 but that’s from me not any guide

[foggy quarry]

but ok

thanks

[crisp shard]

I could be wrong because I'm dumb, but I usually dump energy and envenom > Tea > KB rotation

then tea like halfway through

[gilded oasis]

you can reapply bleeds and also maintain envenom buff

[foggy quarry]

i mean the damages for KB not the buff

[drowsy creek]

Should I take cold blood with deathstalker in dungeons as the sim build suggests?

[strange python]

damn

[iron valve]

huh? kingsbane is based off lethal poison procs

[foggy quarry]

damn i new to assas, i was sure even the hit was helping with KB damages

[west crown]

Assassin is just about uptime on buffs even in cooldown windows

[eager beacon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[foggy quarry]

i was just spamming 5+ cb envenom during KB

[iron valve]

you do want to keep up envenom buff up during kingsbane and spam energy to get more poison procs, but you can refresh bleeds etc while also maintaining the buff. especially if you pooled properly before and/or use tea during

[past forum]

Use thistle tea during shiv window whenever it wont overcap you on energy

[copper pine]

do you need to recraft another spark ?

[gentle badger]

Sorry one more question, im coming back from amirdrassil tier to sin. without improved garrote/master assassin/shrouded suffocation in the ST build, what is vanish used for? just a slightly stronger builder for one global? Deathstalker's mark will continue to be reapplied when Darkest Night is consumed right?

[west crown]

The reason for vanishing is currently bugged in ST, don’t use it for now

[runic hinge]

You can save it in case you lose your mark for rn

[gentle badger]

ok, thanks!

[nocturne crater]

how many spark of omens should i have by now?

[normal mist]

2.5

[nocturne crater]

that's what i thought, but im seeing a guy with a staff (2) and a piece of pvp gear (1?) with an embellishment. how is that possible?

[iron valve]

pvp gear uses different "sparks"