assassination

[fallen arch]

It does big aoe

Kinda lackluster st

But ye just try it I’d say

[topaz bough]

I got a normal regicide is it worth upgrading it

I made it 606 to replace my pvp dagger but don't know if it's worth taking it higher

[fallen arch]

I’d say so ye

[median igloo]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[upbeat hazel]

I had leveled rogue and monk so tryna decide between outlaw/assa/ww, yeah ill try em but ill likely tend to whats most meta out of those

[fallen arch]

If u wanna meta go play aug

[topaz bough]

Assa seems to be doing really good on rash particularly

[upbeat hazel]

Nah just out of those 3 specs lol

[stuck sentinel]

did you just assume my gender

[topaz bough]

I've had fun on every boss and topped dps in most fights with assa tho outlaw I think is better

[arctic socket]

You don’t have three regicides?

[topaz bough]

I've also seen some crazy sub parses

But I'm not sure if they're just hella geared

[stuck sentinel]

literally don't get weapon by week 2 games broken

[novel star]

sin goodgood on rasha/ovinax

cause execute and aoe

other than that were mid

[arctic socket]

Well you can’t complain about not getting a wep when you can craft a 619

[eager tree]

if you have 2 charges of shiv, do one the gcd before you kb, then do it again when the buff falls off so it covers the entirety of kb. if you have just 1 charge, do it so the buff covers the last part of kb

[slim pebble]

Who says I can’t

[fallen arch]

I’m not even going to react on that comment

[arctic socket]

Technically even a 636

[stuck sentinel]

is what im using atm

[arctic socket]

People with brain cells

[topaz bough]

We've all been there I didn't get regicide week 1 and felt scammed

[upbeat hazel]

Outlaw is good aswell? I thought people were dooming on it (for m+)

[arctic socket]

Yeah that looks fine

Or seeing a wep enchant

Makes me cringe

[topaz bough]

Running normal and heroic with me being the only dagger user I got 1 drop week 1

[novel star]

outlaw is the best overall dps spec in raid currently

[tired gull]

guild hasn't seen regi on normal 😦

[fallen arch]

The target cap is cringe

[novel star]

and theyre all pretty good in m+ i think but yeah target caps

[fallen arch]

Outside that outlaw gud

[novel star]

same shit as always

[fiery bear]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[slim pebble]

How this comment made me feel

[half tartan]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[topaz bough]

Pug it normal is genuinely so easy rn you can do it

[arctic socket]

Normal in pugs everything is easy

Up to court

(People can’t do webs)

[dense cove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Honestly court can just be zugged on p3. So just living p1 is the deal

[topaz bough]

Me and my friend just learned webs and we have one shot normal court since

If it's doable by you just learn it and carry

Court is harder than queen on normal tho which feels strange

[torpid schooner]

Why am I runniong so low on energy during raid?

[keen spruce]

cuz you're playing assas

[arctic socket]

Do you have over 246% haste?

[torpid schooner]

Am I not supposed to use Mut ons ingle?

[keen spruce]

you are supposed to use mut on single

[tepid lichen]

how else would u generate CP

[frigid pilot]

fok 2 +?

or 3+?

[topaz bough]

Make sure your dots are up on as many things to generate energy faster

Otherwise you'll starve

[torpid schooner]

right so wtf lol do I just always run low on energy in single target?

[arctic socket]

If you’re not VV 1 target with ctw proc

[keen spruce]

yeah that's just how the spec works

[arctic socket]

After that probably 3

[tepid lichen]

its just how the spec is

[arctic socket]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[arctic socket]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[arctic socket]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[tired gull]

sometimes even fok'ing on 3 feels horrible for cp gen

[tepid lichen]

not the bot spam

[arctic socket]

Bot spam good

If he reads it

[spice spire]

Two of the commands are the exact same

[tired gull]

what if we're illiterate

[spice spire]

Mf didn’t even read it originally

Ain’t no way

[arctic socket]

If he reads it twice

Will know it better

[keen spruce]

question askers trust robots more than people

[tired gull]

@spice spire i only had 1 pink on normal last night 😦

[arctic socket]

No they don’t

[spice spire]

How about you read dn twice bud

[keen spruce]

even if the robots were written by the same people answering the question

[spice spire]

Ruff

[tired gull]

cute dog btw

[keen spruce]

george is best boi

[spice spire]

Ty

[keen spruce]

my king

[spice spire]

Posted pic of him today

In #1146207476983812117

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

Look at me (I’m the rogue)

[tired gull]

big pumper

[strange python]

So with vv you dont consume ctw at all=

?*

[keen spruce]

[tired gull]

i wish i had speed kills like that

[whole sand]

bro you beat me to it

ffs

im going back to bed

[keen spruce]

[tired gull]

my favorite thing from last night though tbh

[arctic socket]

Definitely was intentional

[arctic socket]

On one target no

If more then 2 ye

[frigid pilot]

why ppl running deathmark and not fatebound if fb sims higher?

[strange python]

aight, any quick differences from last season besides darkest night > all in prio

[tired gull]

only sims higher at certain gear levels

[strange python]

You chain enevenoms or play for uptime only?

[frigid pilot]

ah

[tired gull]

uptime

chain to not energycap + get a lot inside shiv

[trail scarab]

Is that more damage overall?

[keen spruce]

echo running 4 ooga booga DKs

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[south lava]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[high nacelle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[arctic socket]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spice spire]

That’s not real

[tired gull]

cap

[arctic socket]

Bot is saying it

Has to be real

[spice spire]

So ur saying I only say real things

Checkmate pal

[tired gull]

realistically, spatter should do >2% of your damage to make it worth right?

[keen spruce]

spatter will 100% do more than 2% of your damage if there's more than one target

this is 2 target

[arctic socket]

Splatter is sin “permant” blade flurry

Goes hard

[magic shore]

my luxthos WA is not showing envenom uptime, whats the easiest way to put it there? or should i juust switch WA?

[keen spruce]

this is ovinax

[keen spruce]

it should one sec

also why can't i get on the beta servers

[arctic socket]

Is that on mythic
?

7kbs wild

[keen spruce]

heroic

i was just grabbin random logs

[arctic socket]

Oh

[shut leaf]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[keen spruce]

it does show it

the green bar at the bottom

[past forum]

There’s also a dynamic icon that is disabled by default you can turn on if you want

[keen spruce]

how do u enable that thing

i have the module open

oh nvm

just under load

@magic shore

[past forum]

Yeh, his WA comes with lots of stuff pre-hidden

[gleaming geyser]

I got Madness off timewalking BT and I'm not sure I want to suffer in 7+ Siege keys for a non myth track spyglass this week

[keen spruce]

hmm doesn't seem to do anything

when I enable that one

nvm

[past forum]

It only pops up when u have buff

[keen spruce]

@magic shore

[frigid pilot]

yo is this real? socket is only 2k dps? lol

[past forum]

Yeah i just added an Envenom icon to the core bar and kept the dynamic icon hidden

[deft obsidian]

Been generally finding it’s over 3k but yeh, not massive

[azure owl]

Is it possible to easily just yoink the mob colors of someones plater profile? from like quazii or anyone elses without messing my current options too much

[magic shore]

yeah its not showing for me, only mark and caustic

[magic shore]

ah ty

[magic shore]

ok this i might have and havent noticed

[magic shore]

how do i get to this screen ._.

[keen spruce]

type /wa

then go to the luxthos pack and click on the little arrow to expand the subcategories

then expand the one labeled dynamic

[spice spire]

That’s an outdated command

[keen spruce]

and u should be able to find the envenom thing if you scroll down

[spice spire]

When whispyr wakes up

Someone remind me to tell him to get rid of it

[tall jay]

are crest droping in NW now?

[kind forge]

nice scaling

[magic shore]

i unmark the never, right? no need to mark any other?

thanks for the help anyways

[sudden brook]

Guys, it's a sin kingdom this tier

[keen spruce]

correct

[spice spire]

Guy

[sudden brook]

Yo

[spice spire]

I’m going to kiss you on the mouth.
It is absolutely not a sin kingdom

[magic shore]

it worked, thanks, also the green bar under is also working did not know what it was

[subtle tundra]

you know guy does this every tier right

[sudden brook]

Sin is the worst spec, but the fights this tier are the best for sin

[magic shore]

with this WA, can i get like a pandemic warning or smth like that?

[spice spire]

Some are

[magic shore]

ill try the same method

[spice spire]

Like rashanan and I can see ovi for sin and law

[tall jay]

what wa

[magic shore]

luxthos rogue

[spice spire]

But idk not sold watching it on mythic

[keen spruce]

he probably has something in there for pandemic. I never really used luxthos

[spice spire]

Outside of those two: and those two I’m very sold

[sudden brook]

Rash is sin, brood twister sin, nexus is law, silken is sub? And queen is sin

Sin 👑

[magic shore]

ill just try and figure it out, if not i can just remember 2s left on envenom now that it shows

[fallen arch]

Mage tower?

[magic shore]

if i find it ill post an update soon

[subtle tundra]

idk i hate this game
2 heroic clears and m+ non stop and these are my weapons and trinkets

[sudden brook]

The add in p2 queen being in Execute is a big deal!

[keen spruce]

idk if ovi is sin yet

they been swappin between specs

[spice spire]

Why are you girlbossing us so hard rn

[sudden brook]

Cuz I'm right

[sudden brook]

Ye ovi could be either. Most ppl are gonna default sin cuz it's right after rashanan which is mega sin

[keen spruce]

it's early gaslighting and propaganda to try to get ass nerfed so sub supremacy once again

[subtle tundra]

i just wish

[magic shore]

in the same line of thought, can luxthos WA show me shroud uptime? that would be usefull

[subtle tundra]

they delete

[magic shore]

ill try, 1s

[keen spruce]

guy is an op

[subtle tundra]

spatter

or nerf into the ground

[magic shore]

i found the place just not sure if theres anything to do with it

[keen spruce]

if it's enabled it probably already does

if you move the window to the side

it'll normally display the thing that you're selecting

[spice spire]

Guy is a well known sub lover

[magic shore]

ye the square is there but when i use it ive never seen it, let me test it

ye its showing mb

[sudden brook]

I wanna play sin bro

It's a sin kingdom

[keen spruce]

I think it has to be sin on Queen tho

just by default

[spice spire]

Mf trying to assassinate the queen

[magic shore]

i could not find pandemic tho, anyone knows if its there somewhere?

[keen spruce]

it should be there by default

[fallen arch]

Download a separate wa for that

With a countdown

[keen spruce]

it glows

in pandemic

[sudden brook]

All I know is that sub is actually turbo shit

[fallen arch]

Oh wait, ur talking about shruouded suffocation

[keen spruce]

@magic shore

[sudden brook]

[keen spruce]

no he was talkin about concealment. but he found it

[fallen arch]

Ah alright

[keen spruce]

why is sub best on a 2 target fight?

essplain

[spice spire]

Buff it and make it the main spec for the 6th tier in a row

[fallen arch]

I count that shit down for the group so they know when to gtfo of range

[magic shore]

ah ok, i thought that was just "reapply", which is basically the same right

[keen spruce]

yeah

same same

[magic shore]

but the envenom is not there, its in dynamic ones, maybe i can add it to it by hand?

cuz im still learning so all these will help in like ky'veza heroic

[sudden brook]

Silken on mythic is st

[keen spruce]

o

[sudden brook]

Afaik the damage amp lines up with 1:30

[magic shore]

do you know any?

[sudden brook]

So sub good

[narrow bluff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

The math maths

[sudden brook]

But I heard last night it's 1 min? So maybe sin better??

Idk

[keen spruce]

there's some that will countdown in /s chat so your party can also see it. i'll go find some

[spice spire]

If it’s 1m and you kb every window then obvi

Sin kingdom despite bad tuning BABY

[keen spruce]

also on Luxthos this is for improved garrote if you ever talent that. So you don't want to pandemic it

[kind forge]

bt timewalking

*black temple

[sudden brook]

Well u probs don't dm in opener

[keen spruce]

normally you don't worry about pandemic on Envenom because it's such a short buff

or debuff

or w/e

just refresh when the bar/number gets low

[spice spire]

Depends on timer overall at that point

[sudden brook]

U just do shiv kb opener then dm lust on first damage amp

[magic shore]

yeah i figured that also, and on that: i should reapply it only when it expires then?

[keen spruce]

yeah unless you're refreshing it with another improved garrote

[magic shore]

its for ST fights like ky veza so i can keep energy topped

[spice spire]

Like if you’re 7xx then you may wanna hold.
Also lust timing too, you right

[rose sun]

QQ on council how do you keep mark up on the two bosses?

I keep finding it drops

[keen olive]

may i know why does wowhead have city of threads and dawnbreaker weapon as the M+ bis

necrotic wake has weapon that is crit mast

[keen spruce]

yeah you just want to keep the envenom buff up. you don't need to perfectly pandemic it. Just try to not let the buff drop

[magic shore]

but yeah, i think just watching envenom now that it shows and doing it at 2s works

[keen spruce]

ye

[spice spire]

You don’t mark both just one and then you can dn to swap targets if you need

[keen spruce]

1-2s is gud

[spice spire]

Two things here

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rose sun]

DN?

[spice spire]

And iirc if you’re talking about the n+ only gear it’s just the best compiled from that available

[spice spire]

Darkest night

[keen olive]

Ah okay

[keen spruce]

https://wago.io/rJLq0ErO7 something like this is good for shroud

[magic shore]

thanks a lot for the helps man, game changing

[keen spruce]

[rose sun]

Gotcha so I shouldn’t try to maintain buff on both

[spice spire]

So even if it’s crit mast, if you have a ton of crit mast from other gear, then you’ll want other shit

[rose sun]

I was going insane last night trying to

[spice spire]

You literally just juggle bleeds

And pound one target

[rose sun]

Something I never did until now is sim constantly to see what upgrades are available through drop

[spice spire]

[rose sun]

Because sometimes crit haste is better dps gain then crit mast

[pliant remnant]

I don't believe you

[spice spire]

[pliant remnant]

[keen spruce]

The only stat that matters is agi

[pliant gazelle]

What's the "pandemic" window for envenom buff ? I need to configure my WA.

[spice spire]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[spice spire]

[pliant gazelle]

thanks

[spice spire]

Any time big dog

[keen spruce]

slut

[spice spire]

!?

[harsh cliff]

!crafts

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[keen spruce]

always flirting with the blue names smh

[pliant remnant]

what a slag

[spice spire]

Ahh yes the classic flirt.
Calling someone “big dog”

[sand jetty]

Is sureki Zealot's insignia worth on rogue?

[spice spire]

The neck?

It’s pretty good

[sand jetty]

yes

i got it in weekly, hero, or i can pick main parts hero

[keen spruce]

I'd take fancy neck

you can catalyze any hero track for tier

and tier stinky anyways

[pure moth]

Isn't that one listed rare? Should always take the rare when good. Odds of seeing it is lesser

[spice spire]

Rare “check pins”

For gear

And yeah it is kriz

[keen spruce]

lol whispyr pinned that

sim your vault

[spice spire]

Do u know how many askers

We had

[pure moth]

Many

[spice spire]

I just copied raidbots url

[keen spruce]

[pure moth]

Im a lurker. I hardly type anything here

[spice spire]

Wait

Someone not on mobile check her message count

[keen spruce]

how

[spice spire]

From: shadowsin

[spice spire]

And it just gives you the message count

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Pretty sure

[pure moth]

62? Weak

[spice spire]

I’m over 200k

How many pages do I have shmeeps

[pure moth]

Rofl

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Bit of a yapper

[keen spruce]

[pure moth]

Tbf I didn't really start using the discord till last expansion. I'll try and surpass your counts.

[spice spire]

I think whispyr is top.

You used it some in shadowlands

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Because you dmd me to log review

[pure moth]

Yeah

[spice spire]

Zine was top for a bit

But I think I’ve passed him at this point

[pure moth]

I found an old ass log review in pdf from whispyr on my desktop as sub...

[keen spruce]

guy has more

[spice spire]

Yeah there’s a reason we have

[keen spruce]

i ate too much cheese last night

and my tummy hurts

[spice spire]

[silk bane]

same.

i too aaate too much cheese

and now mu tummy hurts

[frigid pilot]

any1 familiar with jundies plater, why the fuck is castbar so hard to see

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

am i the only one whos actions get cancelled when someone joins/leaves a dungeon?

[crisp pine]

Cause that's the way they look? idk

[clever sapphire]

i swear i apply my poisons at the start of every key and if someone comes in during the cast it gets cancelled

[topaz bough]

If I have a Ara-Kara Sacbrood at 606 is it still worth using?

[keen spruce]

most likely

but sim your self

[topaz bough]

I have no idea if icyveins etc have updated their gear lists

[frigid pilot]

yeah but how is something so popular so hard to see, unless i need an eye exam

[clever sapphire]

still bis, but just sim

[keen spruce]

sackboob very gud

[crisp pine]

cause it looks pretty

[topaz bough]

I didn't know how updated the sims would be so just wanted to check I wasn't being an idiot ty all

[queen egret]

how much % is tier on aoe ?

[keen spruce]

best answer is to just sim your own character. Then it will always be up to date

[topaz bough]

I meant the actual sim being up to date with the latest changes

[keen spruce]

oh from the trinket tuning

yeah that didn't really change anything

raidbots probably up to date at this point

[topaz bough]

Definitely is now I don't remember seeing this last night when I checked for raid

[keen spruce]

is the seasonal affix just razegath sparks basically?

[spring moat]

Do you get a half spark every week ?

[shy pecan]

This week’s, yeah

!wa Cev’s does iirc

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[winged basin]

Pretty sure it flips every week, one week is spark, one week is cata charge

[spring moat]

Gear is one spark. Weapon is two right ?

I used one spark for bracers. Got half spark in bag. Didn’t get spark last week I don’t think

[spice spire]

1h are one in almost positive

[shy pecan]

2H are two sparks

[hybrid aurora]

Hey guys, how your m+ is going ? I’m feeling low in boss fight on +7/+8 (607 no parts) with the m+ build

[topaz bough]

https://wago.io/QmFFPeSSS

[tawny geyser]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[topaz bough]

You can probably tweak it a bit to make it change on two found also

[uneven plume]

What key level drops hero track?

7s?

[shy pecan]

Well, in that case, I looked for "Color by Debuff" on wago.io under plater and this popped up: https://wago.io/YhVgpHEs2

[hybrid aurora]

Y

8 deplete everywhere to get the 2k

( not to much )!

[shy pecan]

Search feature on wago.io = good

[cobalt sphinx]

there are 4 different ones i think

[uneven plume]

im like how are these people getting 2k+ so fast

[cobalt sphinx]

4 different xalatath affixes

[uneven plume]

i check and 6 of those keys are not even timed

[spice spire]

Can’t wait for the foot affix

[onyx linden]

happens all the time when I try to hearth out

[clever sapphire]

so its not only me phew

[keen spruce]

search "afenar whispyr" and look at 2nd result

[wanton mirage]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[shy pecan]

[safe sand]

for Bloodbound Horror -- how is Death Stalker handled? When adds spawn -- do we vanish to put Mark on them?

[grave osprey]

Pretty sure we mostly cleave. Those adds die relatively quick anyways, even in heroic

[safe sand]

meaning just sit on the boss and let caustic splatter hit the adds?

[clear nexus]

Any cool news, tell me about it. Any break throughs any whatchamacall it, shenanigans if you will. Just lemme know aight

[cyan dew]

Do you ever play around sanguine blades?

[slate crown]

[lost wharf]

Could it be, that pressing cloak while on the 3rd boss in Grim Batol removes the chasing elemental (as in it targets somebody else)?

[spice spire]

It did not for me, I cloaked for the dot and still was chased

But you can vanish and it auto swaps

I killed group with that one too

[grave osprey]

No, pick a prio add and cleave the others with caustic.

[safe sand]

aahh -- and just keep Mark on the boss and get back to the boss before it runs out?

[paper flower]

in DS ST raid rights are we not running improved garrote?

[slate crown]

You can if you want

but you don't have to

Pins have some sim comparison links

[paper flower]

ill take a look thx

[slate crown]

You can see that there are like 8 top build combinations that are all within margin of error

So it's kinda just

Pick the one you want to play from that list

if you hate managing imp garrote, don't take it

[vagrant plover]

opinions on what to use enchanted Runed Harbinger crest on ? dawnthread bracers / dawnthreaded boots ? neither ? please

[cyan dew]

Do you ever play around sanguine blades?

[amber blaze]

IS there a wa or add on that tells you all the caches to do in a weekly basis ?

for delves keys and all

[hybrid aurora]

Y if u didn’t get enough stuff in your group to down the big ones

[lyric glen]

what is this mutant

[lucid meteor]

Wow tbc wep😂

[spice spire]

No

Except in st to keep under 50% with ds

[misty hare]

hey guys. Is the crafted dagger "Siphoning Stilleto" better than the other crafted items?

[marble hemlock]

no

in fact it eats up one of your embellished slots and is very bad

[misty hare]

ah...

[spice spire]

Just like me fr

[marble hemlock]

can confirm

quake is a nerubian

[spice spire]

Bro you can’t just say that wtf

[royal lantern]

can you confirm that you are in fact NOT a spider?

[spice spire]

Yes

You can literally see my wrist in a picture

It’s not a spider wrist

[keen spruce]

that sounds like something a spider would say

[shy pecan]

Definitely

[novel star]

where is the skardyns

[willow cloud]

Windwalker blade should be so much cooler than it is

[wind pebble]

is the necrotic wake trinket actually any good?

[novel star]

yeah

its alright

not as good as an on use but its an above average passive

[weary shoal]

!craft+

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[sage tapir]

is there a list of best embleishment/ crafted items

[novel star]

that command right there

[sage tapir]

oh

xd

thx

[white marten]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

ill join the party man why not

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[brave storm]

do we craft siphoning one or regular dagger ?

[novel star]

regular

stiletto sucks

[tepid lichen]

do u guys have some WA/nameplate or other better way to track which target current has DN stacks and caustic spatter for M+? maybe focus macros idk. my current nameplate situation i feel like it's getting lost in the pool of a million other debuffs and too many nameplates

[novel star]

whispyr plater is good

it colours the hp purple/green/blue for mark/caustic/both

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

and only shows garrote and rup icons

[spring moat]

For m+ and raids ?

[tepid lichen]

i tried it, wasn't my thing

[novel star]

dont know why it would be different either way

[tepid lichen]

ceverion's looks good maybe

[novel star]

cevs is chill too idk how updated it is tho

prob fine if its in the command

[tepid lichen]

2 days ago

last update

[novel star]

ye send it then

[spring moat]

The one I’m using marks prio targets as purple

[patent elk]

You guys use queens mandate after opener?

[bronze pike]

hey

of your a neburian

can you set me up

with your queen

👀

she has

good assists

[tepid lichen]

[arctic socket]

Gratz

[spice spire]

Sorry king she keeps it 40 toes down for me ya feel

[void mesa]

Huh, anyone else has a problem with Dawnthread lining only working once even with 2 embellished equipped?

[bronze pike]

[spice spire]

[bronze pike]

i understand.

[spice spire]

This is going to sound awful

But die in game

[void mesa]

[spice spire]

And once you heal up

[void mesa]

oh

[spice spire]

Should have both going

[void mesa]

like drop below 80 and back and it refreshes, kinda deal?

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m not trolling you

Yeah

[void mesa]

That is

Such a blizzard moment ngl

[lost wharf]

Is the endboss in city of threads completly overtuned? The tick damage is nuts

[spice spire]

Yes

[woven torrent]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[dusk wave]

sry if this has been asked already but is it normal for our 4pc to have a 20% uptime on single target? the 2pc stacks keeps falling off lol

[languid gate]

Which set pieces do we take? Head, Chest, Legs, Hands?

[quartz locust]

It’s the debuff from getting 4pc before me

[haughty lantern]

do we know when the echoing reprimand changes are coming?

(like when it's getting turned into a new ability)

[stuck sentinel]

Reminds me back in shadowlands the final boss of plaguefall

[soft void]

For chain pulling in mythic+ when you can't restealth between packs, can anyone give advice on how to AOE in that situation?

[languid gate]

rupture

[soft void]

Do you try to rupture and garrote 2 mobs, 3?

And how many CP rupture do you typically try to get on each mob

[topaz bough]

Garrotte as many as I can rupture if it will live like over 50%of it go for it

If you make good use of Indiscriminate Carnage it isn't as painful to drop 5cp ruptures on a whole pull

[soft void]

Then proceed to fok, CT, and envenom my caustic target right?

[haughty lantern]

thats the idea

[vast hound]

since the nerf on the ara kara trinket is it better to use Void reaper contract instead?

[haughty lantern]

no

i ran a bunch of sims on this yesterday

[vast hound]

for some reason it sims higher on my char than ara kara

[topaz bough]

For me skardyn's and spyglass are way ahead now

[haughty lantern]

ara-kara + skardyns IN THEORY is still strongest combo, btu as always, sim yourself

it was less a direct nerf to EGG and more to bring all the trinkets more in line with each other

[vast hound]

im using skardryn and ara kara but the void reaper contract sims 8k more

[haughty lantern]

then use void reapers

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[dire ivy]

How are you getting IC when you can’t restealth on a chain pull? Since this was the question I’m kinda confused.

[topaz bough]

Unless it's like 3 chains you can vanish to spread the dots

[earnest remnant]

here

[dire ivy]

Wait no way we desync vanish and DM even in m+, no?

[novel star]

im going to eat ur thraoat like a wild animal

if you dont mind

[tropic cedar]

does assa stll prefer chaining envenoms despite of energy or do we prefer to stay over 50% energy now?

[small wagon]

i wanna GAMBLE, im going BACK to FATEBOUND, hi guys

[haughty lantern]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[tropic cedar]

oh cool so Deathstalker plays like our previous 4p then? sweet thanks

[slim pebble]

How much do I miss for not taking vicious venoms?

Just realized the raid one I have didn’t take vicious venoms

[pure moth]

Single Target Comparison
Raid stuff is weird cause of the bug, you can play the regular build, or 1/2 vicious with improved garrote, or 2/2 vicious with improved garrote and no improved poison, or improved garrote+sanguine blades with no vicious. It's a wild time and everything is basically equal and close and just play something idk man it's so many combinations and dependant on gear and just a mess.

^ from the pin

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[pure moth]

@spice spire im adding to my count see! lol

[rugged sphinx]

can you cloak pull in on queen ansurek?

[keen stirrup]

Is buffed Algari Alchemist Stone worth trying?

[spice spire]

I’m so proud of you

[sour marten]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[real pike]

the binding ring is just better than the other one right?

[fallow estuary]

had to solo far add, otherwhise this could've been b-i-g

[tranquil ruin]

am i inting

[novel star]

idk

[haughty lantern]

just bully the priests into giving you constant pi

[novel star]

i dont look at stats

[spice spire]

What does robot say

[haughty lantern]

problem solved

[novel star]

follow whatever the sim told you to do

[small wagon]

bro does NOT like haste

[sour marten]

what is haste?

[small wagon]

💀

[fallow estuary]

wtf

[novel star]

Goat

[astral plover]

do we slam echoind on CD?

[novel star]

ye

[haughty lantern]

bro popped a ritalin

[grim jay]

[wicked valve]

is the goal 100% uptime on sanguine blades during raid? Or is that impossible?

[spice spire]

Impossible

[grim jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice spire]

Don’t play around it

It’s just passive dam

[wicked valve]

KK, thank fod. TY!

[weary shoal]

!delve

[prisma monolith]

Soloing Delves is really hard currently. Some solutions:

• Do them with a tank+healer in a 3 man. This seems to be lenient on scaling
• Go outlaw/subtlety with trickster, take the 1 hour tricks of the trade talent, cast tricks on brann (I personally put brann on my focus and use /cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade)
• For objective/pickup object based delves, you can sap/aoe blind, pick up the item, then vanish. This is slow but will get the job done most of the time
• Put Netflix on your second monitor or something while you wait for your 2min cooldowns to come back up so you can pull another 3 pack of mobs, 2 of which are sapped/blinded, you’re in for a long delve

[astral plover]

How good is fatebringer in Raid

[spice spire]

It’s fine

[small wagon]

passive

[spice spire]

If you wanna play it just play it

[small wagon]

no brainer

i personally love gambling, so flipping coins it is

[wicked valve]

so many conflips on outlaw

[small wagon]

yippie

[spice spire]

90% of gamblers quit before they hit the 20 flip streak

[small wagon]

remember, gamble can win you 1000%

but you can never lose past the 100% mark

LOSE

LOSE

[haughty lantern]

i am beginning to dislike delves more and more every day

they just end up being a waste of time. i never get any maps, and all the gear i get is typically random and/or uesless

[dire ivy]

Don’t think there is any reason to do delves since m+ came out

[spice spire]

Vault filling

Alts

Etc

[slate crown]

I don't have time to do a key

and I'm cooking currently but have 10 minutes then 15 minutes

I got shit to do buddy

[dire ivy]

Alts i also rather do m+ but vault is a good point

[small wagon]

delves it is then

[spice spire]

You got time to key pal

[haughty lantern]

one of my friends got a map like tuesday of last week, and he fucking got hero track pants with leech

I have been chasing that chance since i saw him do it but i literally have not seen a single map

[spice spire]

“Shit to do” mf crafting

[past forum]

Yeah delves are OP (until you’re full hero track or higher)

[slate crown]

NGL this tension is real

when I do a key

"I'm not at the ah right now....."

[spice spire]

Lady is too far into the grindset

[tired gull]

maps aren't real

[haughty lantern]

yeah at this point i am inclined to agree

[dire ivy]

I got one map and got the lantern trinket which procs on ranged attacks and spells, was simming abysmal

[ornate peak]

Not fully keened in on my whole kit. What am I missing here that this keeps showing up in combat?

[haughty lantern]

at least you can kind of use it to piggyback your future trinket upgrades.....

[rain oyster]

Rope shooters mark

[dire ivy]

You didn’t apply deathstalkers mark if you mean the glow

[kind forge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ornate peak]

Oh, interesting. It's there like through a whole fight though

[runic hinge]

means you didn't ambush

[spice spire]

Yeah you only set it up by ambushing from stealth

[ornate peak]

Ohhhhh! Okay, I see now. Yeah I was opening with Garrote and putting everything else up. Thank you thank you

[vapid geode]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[honest pelican]

i still cant make a final decision on what to play, ive tried both outlaw and sin in the last 2 weeks. considering just crafting armor first for my sparks i guess. im only going to be doing m+ and honestly both specs feel good for it

sin feels slightly better to me i guess, main reason i opened my vault as it

[crystal delta]

how huge is the queen ring for us?

[haughty lantern]

~1 TO 1.5% ISH

caps*

at least that's how much it was for me at equal ilvl

[honest pelican]

got the normal queen ring on 2 toons with a socket today , glad i got something useful at least

[haughty lantern]

eyo can i have one?

[hazy ether]

Hi guys, quick question here. Why are we using shiv and thistle tea before kingsbane? Didnt we use it on the last 6 sec for max dmg?

[arctic socket]

2 charges

If you only have 1 charge use at the end

Thistle tea is for the mastery buff

[sharp wigeon]

haste and mastery are bis for sin?

[outer sorrel]

I am always get pulled out of stealth when the boss get pulled idk whats up with that

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hazy ether]

So 1 charge shiv at the end but thistle tea before for matery?

[normal mist]

Tea during shiv windows when you need 100 energy

[earnest remnant]

ignore adds = profit

[spice spire]

Even the sub OTP is off sub ain’t no way

[earnest remnant]

trinket doesent wanna drop quake

im tweaking over here

[spice spire]

Which trinket

[earnest remnant]

transmitter

[spice spire]

(I’m in the dark about sub)

[earnest remnant]

need that 1min30 juice trinket

[spice spire]

Oh ur a mad lad for that one

Makes sense

[earnest remnant]

sub is 1min30 so

[spice spire]

Especially if it’s just

[earnest remnant]

perfect

[runic hinge]

i don't even see the shit it does half the time so idk

[spice spire]

Hey go here

Sprint

Step back

Turbo fuck

[runic hinge]

maybe i need a weakaura

[earnest remnant]

it spawns right next to you

[junior aurora]

i have the transmitter on the lock but im not even gonna equip it

[spice spire]

Coward

[dire ivy]

He’s playing assas?

[runic hinge]

yeah im blind

[junior aurora]

yes

[arctic socket]

Did you use CT

[earnest remnant]

no

i ignored adds

i was just hitting boss

[spice spire]

Do not ever question stealthi’s integrity

[arctic socket]

I mean he’s a pretty sick raccoon

[spice spire]

He’s an extremely ethical gamer

[arctic socket]

So no

[spice spire]

Because they can be degen

During speed runs later

(I assume you’re still in colour)

[earnest remnant]

yes

liquid didn't want me

(its a joke)

[spice spire]

(They did want him)

[cursive mortar]

What stats should I put on my Rune-Branded Armbands? I've seen Vers/Mastery, Haste/Mastery and Crit/Mastery, or does it really not matter.

[spice spire]

It truly doesn’t matter

I put crit mast but in an OTP and cba the 0,1% diff

[haughty lantern]

vers haste

[earnest remnant]

vers mastery on both my dagger and waist

[cursive mortar]

I saw most of the top assassination rogues running vers/mastery over crit/mastery. Was just trying to figure out why

[earnest remnant]

vers/mast makes it easier to multi spec into sub

[cursive mortar]

Ahh that would make sense, with the haste/mastery as well

[soft shale]

stealthi didnt want to do the unholy tech

maybe he would get flagged for being too sexy

[shut oak]

Do you tab target in big AOE pulls to apply bleeds to more than what Indiscriminate Carnage does?

[waxen oyster]

is sub not worth playing without transmitter

I honestly felt that was the case

[weary shoal]

1CRAFT

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[iron valve]

assassination stats are also so close to each other that it barely matters, and the jewellery you have could easily flip it

[void torrent]

how is assa rogue bottom of raid dps chart? should I switch to sub or outlaw?

and is it bad in m+ too?

[fleet pagoda]

play what you want. unless you're making a bid for hall of fame it doesn't really matter. you'll be best on what you like most

[void torrent]

I kinda need to play the top dps spec for our mythic raids

[earnest remnant]

Assa is good

[unreal cove]

which piece is off set?

[void torrent]

hmm how its bottom of the charts then

[dull cloak]

you could always play outlaw

top of the chart

[void torrent]

yea was thinking switching to it

[junior aurora]

banned

[spice spire]

I think the tuning is bad on it - I think the fights do make it more sin favored

[void torrent]

I was originally outlaw but switched to assa before raids opened since it was supposed to be top performing spec

[west canyon]

i like assassination, but why do i feel like its so much downtime in singletarget. Like im waiting for my energy all the time

[crisp pine]

Bet you feel really stupid now

[haughty lantern]

same

[spice spire]

But I also don’t play at your level so you have a better understanding of tuning than I stealthi

[spice spire]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[void torrent]

yea I do

[waxen oyster]

I dont think anyone was speculating assa being the best raid spec

before it released

[earnest remnant]

ive done 4/8 on mythic so far all as assa

its fine

[junior aurora]

yeah most it was outlaw simmed highest but sub looked to be best

[fleet pagoda]

look at the numbers, grom!

[dull cloak]

honestly the best spec is the one you find most fun and most comfortable

[waxen oyster]

Last 2 are sub bosses it looks like

[dull cloak]

you will do the most dmg on that spec

[haughty lantern]

i told myself that i will fully commit to the swap to outlaw once i get the fist weapon and trinket

[spice spire]

Nope I need that 0.001% edge bud sorry

Fury warrior now

[haughty lantern]

b/c it's going to be expensive to convert my current crafted items to what outlaw wants

[void torrent]

I will be most confortable with spec which is best at that moment

[royal lantern]

uhm, sim number is lower, so its unplayable and you are clearly lying in 1 of your malicious raccon tricks

[upper wraith]

5% haste too low? lol

[crisp pine]

just swap then

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[crude sequoia]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[earnest remnant]

not sure about last boss

but silken yeah

[void torrent]

yea thats what im doing thats why I was asking is outlaw really that good spec atm or should I go sub

[waxen oyster]

it barely matters

[junior aurora]

is sub good at 2t cleave now

[fleet pagoda]

then why are you asking in assassination

[spice spire]

Ansurek def looks sin

[earnest remnant]

outlaw is very likely the worst of the three LOL

[spice spire]

Mythic is st

[junior aurora]

ahh

[void torrent]

thought here is other ppl who is switching spec too now

[spice spire]

Burn phase every 1.5

[crisp pine]

Don't do my shootie boys like that :(

[spice spire]

Like that’s sub baby

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[waxen oyster]

until rework

then sub is a 2min spec

[earnest remnant]

1min*

[waxen oyster]

ermm dust gets deleted

[earnest remnant]

all the power goes into Flag

[junior aurora]

waiting to see what other changes it gets tbh

[waxen oyster]

1min spec?

pvp badge meta?

[fleet pagoda]

the only answer you're going to get here is "sin is fine play what you want", brother. if you're glued to the aggregate logs then just commit to the top dog on that ig

[royal lantern]

if stealthi says something about sub, you REALLY can belive him without questioning it, that guy breaths sub knowledge

[junior aurora]

badge wont be meta again bc pvp gear is worse ilvl now right

[safe barn]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[junior aurora]

wasnt it like bfa last time any specs used badge

[void torrent]

guess you don't raid mythic ehh?

[waxen oyster]

it caps out at champ track

rn

[void torrent]

but ty anyway guys

[crisp pine]

lmfao

[waxen oyster]

It doesn't matter for the vast majority of guilds

[dull cloak]

damn big mythic raider

[royal lantern]

most people here do that said you that

[crisp pine]

Guess you guys have never even set foot in a raid huh?
Bunch of loser assassination players

[junior aurora]

its funny bc if you want to chase the 1% that much why not play warrior rn

[waxen oyster]

nah ryo

[spice spire]

You literally have multiple mythic raiders saying whatever is fine

[waxen oyster]

fury got nerfed

totally undeserved

[dull cloak]

reroll to arcane mage

[waxen oyster]

totally

right

[twin hull]

What dagger are ppl making? sipphoning or everforged?

[spice spire]

Absolutely

[dull cloak]

help your mythic team

[waxen oyster]

my favorite part is

[spice spire]

[vital raft]

So how did sin go to bottom of the 3 specs over night 😢

[waxen oyster]

the people crying most about fury nerfs

are pug m+ players

actually the worst kind of people

[earnest remnant]

i dont do mythic no

[crisp pine]

My logs are just that bad
I'm dragging the whole spec down

[spice spire]

Nope

Never in your life

[junior aurora]

not even best on ur realm

[spice spire]

Man’s a story mode raider only

[fleet pagoda]

looking at heroic charts to decide your mythic spec dang it bobby

[junior aurora]

scrub cant give that guy advice now

[vital raft]

I'm topping dmg where ever I go but everyone tells me go law

[waxen oyster]

stealthi do you think sub without transmitter rn

is kinda troll

[earnest remnant]

no troll

still does very good damage

i just dont want to

play 2min trinket

on it

[waxen oyster]

how do you

play 2min trinket

do you just run db?

[junior aurora]

you run dtb and assa instead

[spice spire]

Swap sin

[earnest remnant]

either play like season 3 sub

or jsut use it on every other set

[waxen oyster]

oh

hell no

[graceful bane]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[waxen oyster]

playing it like s3 sub

spreadsheeting bosses

yeah no

[haughty lantern]

(ppssssst xiani check your dms)

[vital raft]

I'm looking at mytic logs and sin is 2nd to bottom

[crisp pine]

IF YOU PLAY ASSASSINATION IN RAID YOU WILL LITERALLY DIE IN REAL LIFE DON'T DO IT

[waxen oyster]

at least its good on rash right

since boss is in execute more

[earnest remnant]

not if you play like me

then its bad

[novel star]

rwf teams are playing sin on rash and ovinax

and maybe court when they get to it? who knows

[waxen oyster]

doesnt kush like

not play outlaw

at all

[earnest remnant]

he does when he has to

[novel star]

he was outlaw on ovinax for a bit i think right

then switched

[waxen oyster]

perfecto was playing dk

last i checked

[novel star]

or was that exile

[waxen oyster]

[novel star]

or both

idfk

man

[junior aurora]

i doubt any of those wf guys cant play a spec on their class

[waxen oyster]

ok so @earnest remnant how bricked would playing sub be

without any on use trinks

[earnest remnant]

meh

[limber lion]

Poggieswoggies

[waxen oyster]

no jpc no outlaw

clearly

[royal lantern]

realm #2, actually washed up smh my head

[junior aurora]

theres a few burst specs rn that basically run no on use bc spymasters is mostly passive until execute

[novel star]

sin just cranks on that boss i think

[earnest remnant]

slack is too good

[waxen oyster]

rash?

probably

[novel star]

no ovinax

spatter ct singular focus

[earnest remnant]

Rash timers are kinda dog

[novel star]

ct damage per cast is just fucked

that spell is dumb

[waxen oyster]

might depend on your raid comp too

because not every raid has like

3 fury warriors

and/or a dragon

[novel star]

yeh

[pliant terrace]

so I assume mastery/crit on crafted gear if I'm bouncing between sin and sub?

[earnest remnant]

egg boss is getting nerfed tonight

so

[waxen oyster]

sub wants vers mast

idk how crit is on that spec, not as good generally

[novel star]

but idk echo running like 4 frosts or some bullshit and kush still on ct last i checked

[pliant terrace]

yeah I know but I'm just talking about stats if I were playing both

[novel star]

it’s at like 30% and they’re nerfing before reset ?

[waxen oyster]

Dont frost dks just gape adds?

[novel star]

ye

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure they have multiple talents that just passively poop aoe

[novel star]

5milly dps 2 seconds after the adds spawn

shit is

not cool

[waxen oyster]

i mean sin doesnt care about its stats

[novel star]

ye sin is fine with whatever lol

[waxen oyster]

havoc likely can put up similar i think

[pliant terrace]

so mastery/vers is fine if im playing both specs?

[novel star]

if ur multi speccing craft stats for other spec

yeh

[waxen oyster]

if add spawns line up with eyebeam windows for demonsurges

[novel star]

we don’t have bad statz

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

ya they were crankin too i think

[waxen oyster]

well they got bugfixed

now eyebeam doesnt do reduced damage to secondary targets

slight gamba i guess how many bladedance resets you get

from tier

[strange python]

!tier

[runic hinge]

I hate playing around dsm and I hate when foundbound doesn’t proc the capstone. Someone save me

[strange python]

Suffer

[earnest remnant]

DS is chill on most bosses in raid

[strange python]

Or reroll

[feral mason]

hey does someone here know if mad queens mandate is a melee only cast?

or can it be used from range

[earnest remnant]

just not on the later ones

can be used at range

[median flicker]

Just press ambush first and then do your normal rotation 🙂

[pale badger]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[earnest remnant]

well you do kinda have to pay attention for when your capstone is rdy

for that FAT envenom

[runic hinge]

Pressing mutilate on 6 is killing me inside

[median flicker]

Well yeah but just get WA and when it glows you just full cp blast

[earnest remnant]

ngl

i sometimes

just garrote xD

if its like sub 10sec left

[runic hinge]

Okay maybe I’ll do that and it’ll feel less bad