assassination

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

people do not seem very happy with it

[green bolt]

pain

[keen spruce]

timewalking shit will never be good again

[haughty flicker]

cool transmog though

[wise plume]

if you have a champ dagger, use that instead

[keen spruce]

unelss there's a bug

[short sedge]

The transmog is S-tier for assassination though

[keen spruce]

or some cringe interaction

[green bolt]

i got the hero version of it for the quest

[wise plume]

mythic tomb set with shard is 10/10

[haughty flicker]

wtf is happening here

theres a bunch of places where it says i used mut and ambush in the same gcd lmao

[slate crown]

Blindside

[wise plume]

^

[slate crown]

That’s how it shows blindside

[haughty flicker]

oh thats a bit cursed

[slate crown]

Lol yes

[keen spruce]

it looks like everyone is just using IG now @haughty flicker

[haughty flicker]

like what is this

[haughty flicker]

i was too whispyr-pilled

i shouldve simmed it

[keen spruce]

was there a bugfix?

[slate crown]

I decided to not imp garrote

For my st build

Felt fine

[haughty flicker]

i think imp gar is ahead until vv is fixed

but vv is comfy

[ocean ferry]

What’s IG 😂

[keen spruce]

improved garrote

[slate crown]

Imp garret

[haughty flicker]

having vanish ready to reapply mark if i fuck up is nice

on some bosses

not really this one though

[keen spruce]

I mean that shouldn't matter though

overall to your damage

this isn't great

[slate crown]

It matters if you can recover from losing your mark

[keen spruce]

but i'm assuming you're runnin out with clone

[haughty flicker]

ye thats clone

[keen spruce]

i'm not seeing anything that egredious

but i'm not really a great resource anymore

[haughty flicker]

this group comp also really isnt helping

[keen spruce]

I blame your stinky trinket

[haughty flicker]

not having bshout, dh, or druid

and my shit trinket

[keen spruce]

I mean no DH, Warr, druid

and you have an MM hunter named sylvanas

[haughty flicker]

lmao yeah

[keen spruce]

it was doomed

[nimble crypt]

morning players, could somebody please share M+ builds depending if it's Tyrannical and Fortified? I can't tell what to switch

[haughty flicker]

nothing egregious is good though

i try again tomorrow

[keen spruce]

nothin switches rly

only this is a maybe once people get to giga high keys

but not rn

or maybe ever

this more likely

but really just don't change anything

is the real answer

[nimble crypt]

thanks ❤️

[echo fox]

Double vanish is not an option?

[runic hinge]

Never

[echo fox]

so what do u do when ur tank chains and u can´t spread garrote and rupture?

genuely asking

[runic hinge]

The vanish charges don’t recharge independently so you would end up with 2-3 extra vanishes you wouldn’t have gotten

You spread bleeds manually

[haughty flicker]

If you are in a coordinated group doing high keys and have a very specific reason for using double vanish there could be value

99% of people will never get any value from it

[slate crown]

Keep crimson tempest up, it does tons of damage

[runic hinge]

Rupture 5 with Fok-rupture and keep garrote on your main target

And ct and spatter will carry your damage

[haughty flicker]

Ct fucks

[runic hinge]

they were tired of people not taking the aoe stuff in aoe so they just made it super juiced

[haughty flicker]

And people still aren’t taking it in aoe

[slate crown]

CT so good they had to remove @runic hinge ‘s flair from the server

[maiden plaza]

what's the prio in a chain pull situation? between mark, rupturing, and CT

[royal lantern]

ct>rupture>the rest

[keen spruce]

as long as this talent exists that far down the tree

[royal lantern]

oh wait, you mean DS mark

[keen spruce]

you'll never go to that side of the tree

[runic hinge]

Don't lose your mark either

[royal lantern]

yeha get that kne out quickly

thought you mean our 2min cd

[hot fulcrum]

I have smth that is not clear to me. I know that I have very bad kills a lot of times.
But for some of those I see more-less good common log and very low log by ilvl.
For example here is 82 common and only 44 by ilvl.
Is it really because I can't use the best consumables (to expensive atm)? Or there are more issue with my rogue?
I'm fine to see 60+, but 44 is so low
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XRGWwKyjJh4x6r7q#fight=28&type=damage-done&source=5
Probably someone can clear this point a bit for me

[keen spruce]

ilvl parse is basically meaningless

[royal lantern]

ilvl logs worthless

[keen spruce]

especially this early

there's too many factors

that affect it

like if someone has giga trinkets and weps but bad other gear they might be the same ilvl but do way more dmg than you

tier isn't factored into ilvl

etc etc

comps kill times externals

raid buffs

blah

i mean a lot of that also effects normal parse

but ilvl just additionally useless

[echo fox]

mhh so u are all telling me that i have been trolling my party since yesterday XDD good to know swaping them right now

thought that there was no dps diff between reprimant and x2 vanish

[hot fulcrum]

So you guys think I should stop blaming myself for ilvl logs and concentrate more on common ones and other stuff?

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean to your point about chain pulls. restealths just don't matter

just follow your cast prio

[slate crown]

Ilvl parses are for going into normal with your rat alt after doing basic research and doing your rotation properly and looking at a shiny 100 parse while on a rat alt

[keen spruce]

get stealths when you can

[slate crown]

After just hitting level cap

[echo fox]

aight mate will do that

thx

❤️

[brisk forge]

Ilvl logs are meh

[keen spruce]

just don't look at the number

[runic hinge]

ilvl logs are useless

[keen spruce]

and look at the cast timelines

to make sure you're doing things correctly

then just worry about doing your job

in raid

and ignore number

[bronze dune]

theyre not useless, theyre just not as useful as going through your logs

[keen spruce]

they're pretty uselss

[bronze dune]

if youre getting grey ilvls then id worry

anything over 40ish i wouldnt worry

[keen spruce]

I wouldn't

[bronze dune]

i mean getting purple logs with grey ilvls usually indicates youre being carried by your ilvl right?

unless theres like less than 100 parses maybe

[royal lantern]

you should not really log a larses anyway

sorry but, LOGS are a powerfull tool

parses are most of the time a meme for people that dont understand how logs work and just jerk themself off for having 90+ standing there

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean that's kind of the only time that's going to happen

[bronze dune]

i wouldnt treat it as gospel but it can still help you figure out if youre doing well or not

[runic hinge]

I could parse harder if i told my raid to not hit adds

[keen spruce]

There's nothing that ilvl parse will tell you, that log review won't tell you better. and it often obscures a lot of important information

it provides no unique insight or value

that you can't find better with like 2 mouse clicks

[bronze dune]

i agree, but at a glance its useful

[runic hinge]

at a glance im useful

[keen spruce]

The only time it would even be useful at a glance is if you're very over-geared but also so dogshit that it actually has a large enough delta to show on the parse number

which isn't a situation that happens

[royal lantern]

sure, if you look at it and see that your last 5kills are gray/low green, you should think for a second if you are maybe doing something wrong

but it turned into a "im not 90+, that means im bad!!!111!!!" circlejerk

[keen spruce]

I mean even if you're like orange parsing

but ilvl is grey

you're probably competing with people that are doing splits

[royal lantern]

how can you type so much in a plane btw

[keen spruce]

and are going to fortnite dance on your nuts anywyas

[bronze dune]

yeah the fascination with logs is shit, but i still use it to figure out if im on the right track or not

[keen spruce]

speech to text

[royal lantern]

its parses, not logs

like,"i analyze logs" translates into "i look at parse number" for quiet a few people cus they have no clue what logs even are

[keen spruce]

ig if you have a very average ilvl, but your ilvl parse is significantly higher than your parse

then that would indicate that you're probably doing some things right

but like

[haughty flicker]

me when i queue lfr on my rat fresh 60

[keen spruce]

if that's happening then you're probably a good enough player to not look at ilvl parses

[haughty flicker]

80

wtf is the lvlc ap

im tired and lost

[runic hinge]

69

[keen spruce]

our metric was always

if you can beat our VDH

then you're probably doing enough dmg

[haughty flicker]

based

[keen spruce]

not always that easy though

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

the name of that emote

[haughty flicker]

also liquid have 77 pulls on broodtwister damn

[keen spruce]

yeah i been watching

fight looks kinda nasty

[haughty flicker]

yeah

[keen spruce]

they're playin assas and MM

[haughty flicker]

you fuck up once and its over

[keen spruce]

and 5 evokers

what a time to be alive

[haughty flicker]

exiles been swapping between sin and sub

i think he hates them both equally

[keen spruce]

I think he's just trying anything to show up on the details meter

[royal lantern]

preservation overtuned, devestation got big buffs cus they dont want to delete aug, aug is aug

[keen spruce]

idk how the add spawn timings line up

for sub and assas

probably not well

[haughty flicker]

i think its every 45s

[hot fulcrum]

Such a waste of fuckin' time (c) Three days grace 🙂

[haughty flicker]

but i havent been paying too much attention, just watching it second monitor

[keen spruce]

yeah i just have the sound playing

I wonder if pirate could be gud

[royal lantern]

roll a dice and you get the answer

[balmy condor]

It’s a struggle

[brisk plank]

Boys how does this compare to other passive trinkets?

[stray fox]

wasn’t he outlaw earlier in the day

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

[inland bolt]

can someone explain why in the middle of a raid boss
sometimes i lose the deathstalker?
despite using my ambush procs etc

[runic hinge]

blindside doesn't grant you DSM

Make sure you're consuming the mark properly and then using a max cp envenom or it'll drop

[keen spruce]

or flip coins

[runic hinge]

yeah i tried, did 3 bosses and never hit capstone so i swapped

[keen spruce]

idk what that means

[steep burrow]

hello, in AOE do we bother spreading garotte (assuming not from stealth) or just spread ruptures?

[keen spruce]

normally just ruptures

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

i did a dungeon as fatebound

had like 30% uptime

went back to ds

[runic hinge]

killed 3 bosses never hit, i said i'm done with this shit

[haughty flicker]

was definitely some player error

since it was my first time playing it

[inland bolt]

so if i dont consume it within the 30, i completely lose the deathstalker for the remaining duration of the fight?

[umbral pike]

Now I need to figure out how to be effective in M+ lol

[runic hinge]

unless you vanish>ambush, yeah

to reapply

[grave warren]

you can re reaply with vanish

[keen spruce]

skill issue

[inland bolt]

okay, thank you
but definitely a skill issue having to reapply, right?

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

if you're not getting to 7 combo points to consume the capstone asap then yeah, skill issue, should be #1 priority

[inland bolt]

okay ty ❤️

[strange python]

Don't need 7 with ER

So shouldn't be too difficult if you're paying attention

[umbral pike]

I feel like I am so ineffecient at using my caustic right

[strange python]

The only way to be inefficient with caustic is to either not apply it or be using it in ST

[haughty flicker]

maybe liquid should just zone in with 14 frost dks

[strange python]

Just make sure you're mutilating on your priority target to apply and you're golden

[haughty flicker]

seems like that would kill the boss

[royal lantern]

or 6presvoker

[loud gull]

is the M+ bleed talent build better for lower keys over hybrid ?

[runic hinge]

usually

[left loom]

guys on M+ runs what is the good balance between Foking and mutilating for spatter, once all bleeds garrotes, ct are on targets you continue with muti only for casutic spatter or you also foking from time to time ?

[runic hinge]

you muti once every 10 seconds to keep the debuff up

otherwise fok

[bronze dune]

FoK when 2+ mobs pree sure

[whole wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

probably

almost definitely

[balmy condor]

I hope a bird flies into your turbine

And you have to do a sully on the Hudson

But you’re not good enough

And you fail

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

[keen spruce]

I shoulda played this tier just to link fatebound uptime

[balmy condor]

Just you though no one else in the plane

[thorn torrent]

is the ring from queen ansurek working with poisons?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Poisons are nature damage

So they should and do proc it

[crystal delta]

which 4 slots are ideal for our 4p?

[balmy condor]

Not chest

[thorn torrent]

do you have sims for our LC so we can decide how to distribute the ring?

[bronze dune]

does the ring have any unique animation when it procs?

[crystal delta]

because high versa?

[balmy condor]

Droptimizer is your friend, or gear search on top gear

[bronze dune]

got mine last night, but havnt had a chance to use it

[balmy condor]

They sim fine

[balmy condor]

No clue but I highly doubt it

[balmy condor]

Yes

[keen spruce]

[sharp wadi]

Brood looks kinda crazy huh

[keen spruce]

ye

[sharp wadi]

If it wasn't constant near death it looks like it would be really fun

[keen spruce]

add fights stinky

[sharp wadi]

slamming a million adds

[haughty flicker]

the difficulty spike from rashanan to brood looks fucking nuts lmao

[sharp wadi]

LMAO

[keen spruce]

rashanan looked fun

[molten widget]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sharp wadi]

1shot first 4 into brood

[keen spruce]

that kill from liquid had me cackling

[haughty flicker]

rashanan was shmooving

outlaw fight fr

grapple stonks

[mighty crown]

BRO

💀

so true tho

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

wah wah

[sharp wadi]

can you blame him

[keen spruce]

no flame, add fights stinky

[brisk plank]

@balmy condor hows this compared to other passive trinkets of same ilvl? for me it sims 0.2% lower overall, worth upgrading?

[sharp wadi]

i swear there are 10x more necrotic wake keys than any other key

[keen spruce]

did they fix it yhet

[cobalt sphinx]

wake is insane

[keen spruce]

my guildies were about ready to end it all

because of the hooks hitting the affix

[sharp wadi]

hooks hitting affix

oh

interesting

i didn't run into that issue personally

[cobalt sphinx]

the aoe damage is just insane

[sharp wadi]

i've run 3 of them today

[keen spruce]

it happened to like 3 different groups multiple times today

[sharp wadi]

[balmy condor]

It’s just spyglass but strictly worse

[sharp wadi]

NW is pretty rough

damage wise

i haven't even had the luxury of doing a mists yet

[balmy condor]

Timewalking drop = bad

[keen spruce]

who woulda thunk

that dawnbreaker would have been one of hte easier dungeons

[pallid bough]

“Back in my day that trinket was sick and every player wanted it”

[sharp wadi]

there's no way this makes sense

i'm scrolling through 4-6 keys

[royal lantern]

dawnbreaker is a deffensive check

and hoping you dont fall trought a ship lol

[sharp wadi]

and it's literally ONLY NW/Mists/Siege

not a single other dungeon

?

[pallid bough]

That makes sense

[keen spruce]

"I'm not doing another NW go pug that one and hmu when you get another"

[pallid bough]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

[sharp wadi]

[pallid bough]

City of threads last boss is hard in pugs

[keen spruce]

SoB didn't looks too bad anymore

[sharp wadi]

i did a city earlier but right now there's not a single one

[pallid bough]

NW is cringe if people don’t interrupt or cc

Yeah

[sharp wadi]

SoB was fine too

[royal lantern]

my key went nw->siege->nw->siege->stoenvault->NW->stonevault->NW lol

[keen spruce]

[pallid bough]

Grim batol is for trinket

[sharp wadi]

welcome to NW season

[pallid bough]

Stonevault is avoided like a plague

Ara ara very good

[sharp wadi]

ara last boss

[sterile violet]

speaking of keys can someone explain +2 +3 +4 i see these titles and i dont understand this mythic + dung

[sharp wadi]

scares me, just from m0

[pallid bough]

Yeah

But it’s not too bad once you learn it

[royal lantern]

golem boss takes years and feels like a slog

mechanics boss is just stupid dmg for no reason lol

[sterile violet]

so i go M0 to get the key how do i know if that key is +2 or whatever

[sharp wadi]

hover over it

[pallid bough]

Yeah I haven’t even done a +2 for it

[sharp wadi]

Mythic Level _

[pallid bough]

Mist and Ara are probably the free keys

[sharp wadi]

on the second line

what do you do ara last boss for the healer?

[sterile violet]

whats the highest mythic level and what the item level of the gear am gonna get

[sharp wadi]

ranged just has to kill it for them?

[pallid bough]

Wdym?

You kick or cc the add

After boss finishes aoe

[royal lantern]

? wdym there

[sharp wadi]

TIL

[pallid bough]

Each player interrupts their own slime

To break free

Ye

[royal lantern]

use a deffensive with the poison dot, that what you can do for the healer

[sharp wadi]

as rogue i got away with just dpsing it down

and cloak

on mythic 0

nice little fun fact you just cc/interrupt it though

xd

[sterile violet]

• cloak of shadow

[sharp wadi]

can priests fear it?

[royal lantern]

thats the intended way mate lol

[keen spruce]

you do an m0. it spits out a +2.

You then run the +2 and it has a timer. The faster you beat the timer the more it upgrades. It can upgrade to a +3 +4 or +5. if you don't beat the timer it goes down a level (but won't go lower than a +2).

It scales infinitely technically. but mob health and damage scales with it so there is a kind of a natural limit.

Gear will cap out at hero track around the +9 level i think?

[sharp wadi]

I UNDERSTAND THAT NOW BROTHER

[ripe carbon]

so a failed +2 will give u back another +2 key?

[sharp wadi]

i've done it as rogue and tank so i could get away with not learning that but my group obviously didn't know either

[mystic vessel]

are the wowhead build/talents updated?

[keen spruce]

I think if you complete it out of time it just changes to a different dungeon

[sterile violet]

thanks 👍

[tawdry flint]

if you fail it drops down by 1 level

[sharp wadi]

imagine all of my mythic 0 groups, every single person in them

rushing to dps down the slimes after the suck

[sterile violet]

thats just perfect thank u

[tawdry flint]

so say you fail to time the 3, it goes to a 2

[sharp wadi]

before the swirlies hit and one shot us

[keen spruce]

ye but not lower than +2

[ripe carbon]

heres a guide a guilldie posted

[royal lantern]

CC THEM MATE

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT??

YOU NEED TO CC THEM

[keen spruce]

another based duck enjoyer

[ripe carbon]

thats you?

[fleet pagoda]

[keen spruce]

no but they like ducks

so they're a real one

[ripe carbon]

ah ok i just thought cause of ur duck pic

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

i'd never

make such shameless thumbnails

but i like his duck logo

[dim mural]

The guide is good but second boss siege for example, the shot that spreads says "to nearby players" in the tooltip but bounced to melee from the mage, not standing in melee. A ton of damage going out.

[ripe carbon]

true i havent really used it because ive just been doing siege/dawn/ara kara

[weak hedge]

Should we be using 2 sparks this week for 2 619 daggers as a non-mythic raider?

[keen spruce]

OH daggie not important

[west cove]

what are you all thinking of the set bonus?

[keen spruce]

stinky

[weak hedge]

ah i see! what would be recommended for my 2nd spark now though?

[west cove]

dont like it?

free passive dmg

[keen spruce]

embelishment slot. i'd check the wowhead guide for that

[fallow estuary]

We want to be grp 2 for mythic horror right? So we can full burst boss

[keen spruce]

oh the design is w/e. it's just not very strong

numbers wise

[west cove]

ahh ye

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

tier bonuses haven't been that exciting in a long time

[weak hedge]

i see! seems like its waist/wrist then! 🙂

[crystal delta]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[storm hedge]

Our tier set is one of the weakest one. I think only survival hunter has a weaker tier set

Source is second hand though, discussions in our guild

[fallow estuary]

Im confused why we craft ascension on offhands, why not a big 636 dagger with asc for prog?

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m like anti-prio on my tier slot

I’m last to get tier on my slot

On purpose

First time in my life a healer on my tier is getting funneled before me

It’s crazy

[fallow estuary]

My raid put 2 set on everyone, so we all had 4 piece with catalyst/Vault and free curve hc piece

[storm hedge]

Same here, I'll get first tier piece from raid next season at this pace

Not that I'm opposed to that, I'd rather have others get tier so I can get other items.

[royal lantern]

eh, i told my RL that i should be the last guy to get tier, but they just want everyone to get it somewhat fast and not really prio somebody

so its the REALLY strong tier sets>everyone else

[terse orchid]

Makes it feel extra stupid that this is the season I get full heroic tier in the first reset

[fleet pagoda]

think it's just the assumption you have a highest possible ilvl for mh, if crafted is your highest ilvl then it's mh

[polar timber]

after doing some keys i really wish deathmark applied both bleeds to 8 targets around you

[terse orchid]

And while we're at it, have vanessa van cleef give us a backrub while the game plays itself

[fleet pagoda]

why? our overall aoe is crazy high already

still can't get invited to pugs though

[fallen pilot]

thats because we're not 3k rating with 620 ilvl

thats needed for a +2

[fallow estuary]

Keys this season are a wild ride - we're struggling with +10 keys

City of threats was not really doable for us on +10 because of the hps required for the final boss

[fleet pagoda]

yeah I can see portal keys being a challenge on week 1

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

Why fatebound show higher on fuu sheet but everyone use deathstalker??

[jovial idol]

Hey guys, how's assa in the raid? I'm not even concerned about performane or the numbers, mostly about how it feels, as it usually feels quite slow and a bit boring for me on ST

[normal mist]

Preference I guess

[normal mist]

I like it and I've been able to parse 90+ with it, chilling

[fleet pagoda]

DS pushes buttons a little more but it's still kinda chillin. if you try it that might be more interesting to you compared to fatebound

[amber brook]

Just realised but is there supposed to be a Catalyst / on the chest?

[tough widget]

are there any good dungeon rogue plater profiles?

[balmy condor]

true

[junior patrol]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hexed frost]

Remember this clown? He paid $400 for raid carries (2 normal, 2 heroic) and only got two loot from raid (tier head and neck).

He has never bought us a drink on Friday when we go to bar after work.

I swear to god I'll just snitch on him with blizzard and get him banned

[tough widget]

no plater profile? unluck!

[amber brook]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[amber brook]

Are ^ these not platers?

[tough widget]

ty

[novel star]

nothing different feel wise

still one of the lowest apm specs in the game

[terse orchid]

Whispyr's plater profile is built on Quazzi's plater, which is made with m+ in mind

[spring socket]

it doesnt have the mob colours though like quazi

[novel star]

yes it does

[terse orchid]

Fairly sure it does, but I'm quite sleep deprived atm

[junior patrol]

why do the current Top Rogues have so much Mastery and Versa? Some having Crit Versa?

[novel star]

it directly copy pasted quaziis name colouring

[cobalt sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

unless i am misremembering

[terse orchid]

are they playing sub by chance?

[balmy condor]

I want to gaslight you so bad right now

but yes

[novel star]

sub or they simply simmed themselves and equipped what had the biggest number

[balmy condor]

it is copy paste quazii

[novel star]

real asshole aren’t u

let’s go goat

[balmy condor]

I treat people how I want to be treated

(degraded)

[terse orchid]

gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss

[novel star]

hot

[junior patrol]

Oh… one rogue was assa in raider.io but sub in arsenal
Second was outlaw in arsenal
Third was still assa

[balmy condor]

treat people how I want to be treated, that's why at work I spit on every 5 foot 4 alt girl with piercings

I am based

[novel star]

uh huh

[runic matrix]

[novel star]

ur cookin somethin there

[normal mist]

He forgot to say goth somewhere in there

[balmy condor]

I am broadening my horizons

[novel star]

alt close enough

[normal mist]

Ooooooh

[novel star]

do short thick goth girls even bowl anymore

[balmy condor]

need one of them nonbinary goth girls so I can she/them titties

[normal mist]

LOL

[terse orchid]

It's not goth if it's not from 4th century Germany. Everything else is just "sparkling weirdness"

[normal mist]

Okay that's funny 🤣

[novel star]

chaser ass message but shit was fire

[junior patrol]

And they crafted items with versa mastery btw so I thought that they don‘t jzst equip what they get (higher ilvl)

[novel star]

sheesh

🔥

[balmy condor]

modern shakespeare

[balmy condor]

if she don't look like the dimitrescu daughters from resident evil 8 I don't want her

[still horizon]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fallow estuary]

Top Rogues m+ or raid? You sure they play sin?

[inland escarp]

They are probably gearing sub for raid

[terse orchid]

Most definitely

[subtle tundra]

can they nerf spatter already

please

i hate this gameplay

[soft shale]

dont worry we are flurry the class now

spatter blade and nimble flurry brrr

[latent cypress]

whats with assa rogues going full versa embelishments on raider io

its that a thing now?

[marble hemlock]

outlaw plays duskthread

[terse orchid]

got a link?

[soft shale]

vers thread works for all 3 rogue specs

not wonderfully but not terribly

[marble hemlock]

But its also just that a lot of gear has vers on it

[balmy condor]

seli it's time again to log out in outlaw with azerite gear on or something to bait armory fiends

outlaw double dagger

[terse orchid]

This is definitely not an assassination rogue

[marble hemlock]

dont have to, i raided with like 4% haste last night

[terse orchid]

with 2% haste

[balmy condor]

💀

[marble hemlock]

why do we have 2 high vers tier pieces

feels like the world is against me

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/tbMIa7u.jpeg

[terse orchid]

C'mon man, rub those braincells together

[latent cypress]

i know what u mean

[terse orchid]

Dude logged out as sin for whatever reason, but everything about his gear screams sub lol

[latent cypress]

but ive seen 3 to 4 rogues same build

[marble hemlock]

my friend, its the first week of mythic. no one has had any chocie on their gear so far

[latent cypress]

check em out for urself bro i would totally understand if its one

[marble hemlock]

they just throw together whatever drops

[cobalt sphinx]

VERS BAD

[balmy condor]

I am balanced boy

[marble hemlock]

you cant call this a "build"

[latent cypress]

maybe

[cobalt sphinx]

SHARD ALL VERS GEAR

VERS BAD

[marble hemlock]

not maybe

like

you think anybody has the luxury right now of choosing what stats to play?

other than the handful of crafted items

[terse orchid]

You think someone with a 636 dagger is playing sin with 2% haste?

[balmy condor]

I craft without missives and the last 3 crafts have come back crit/mast

[cobalt sphinx]

brother what the hell are you going on about

[balmy condor]

scammed

[cobalt sphinx]

2% haste is the same as any other stat

[balmy condor]

...yes?

[cobalt sphinx]

what's the big deal

[marble hemlock]

yes?

https://i.imgur.com/O6jgHwv.jpeg

my stats from raid last night

i just equipped what simmed highest

which is ilvl > all

in almost all cases

[balmy condor]

how could you play assassination with only 3k haste seli

unacceptable

don't you know how assa works

[hollow compass]

!craft

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/Fo7bPrq.jpeg

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[marble hemlock]

yeah

how could i

clearly unplayable

with 3% haste

[bitter saddle]

3% is too much you need 2.49%

[balmy condor]

you get to parse on ovi'nax?

wtf

hacks

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/nVJmodT.jpeg

[cobalt sphinx]

3% is 50% more than 2%

[marble hemlock]

[cobalt sphinx]

to be fair

[normal mist]

Whispyr can I complain about a second priest in my raid?

[marble hemlock]

no dk, 1 warrior

[balmy condor]

ovi'nax

court

aoe

deadge

[bronze pike]

Purple

[balmy condor]

brother what am I supposed to do about this

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/jEiMAEJ.jpeg

show your ratio

[normal mist]

We have 2 priests, one is giving me pi on my CDs because I'm built different.
The other decided to PI me too because yolo and invalidated my 95+ heroic parse 😦

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

Parse better

[cobalt sphinx]

convince everyone in your raid to /cancelaura the ret lasers buff to kill his damage

[bronze pike]

5head

[marble hemlock]

[bronze pike]

Hit more buttons betterer

[balmy condor]

THATS WITH CT DUDE

[marble hemlock]

my court was solid

[balmy condor]

I WAS COPING

[marble hemlock]

oh

i played without

lol

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah I was hard coping

that I would get to AoE

and then I couldn't

[marble hemlock]

im mad about my silken court

[bitter saddle]

Is someone having a list of what mechanics we can ignore with cloak?

[marble hemlock]

cuz i was slamming

[balmy condor]

no

[marble hemlock]

but then i lost my mark for the last minute and a half

you can immune-cloak the big aoe on sikran

is all i know

[bitter saddle]

Sad then I need to trial and error it

[marble hemlock]

if you cloak too early you get hit tho

[cobalt sphinx]

you can cloak bloodbound run out

[balmy condor]

I mean it should be fairly obvious

[marble hemlock]

ye

[cobalt sphinx]

ulgrax webs

[marble hemlock]

like

you can cloak a bunch of stuff

[icy osprey]

this

[marble hemlock]

thats "expected"

[balmy condor]

you do like 5 pulls on a boss during prog and you go "that's probably good"

and then you're good to go

that's like

the point of day 1 prog

[icy osprey]

got 99s on all bosses except for ovinax sadge

[marble hemlock]

ye

[icy osprey]

im shit at aoe raid bosses

[bronze pike]

Imagine not being able to blessing of protection during spider mommy intermission pull

[marble hemlock]

i only noticed the aoe on sikran going through cloak once and proccing cheat

[bronze pike]

Can’t be me

[marble hemlock]

then i tried immunecloak and it worked

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[short otter]

does someone know what materials you need for a dagger recraft?

[balmy condor]

double ele, double frost dk, fury war ret

double destro lock

[bronze pike]

Btfo by herald ret

[balmy condor]

I'm so cucked

[orchid wind]

hey guys, so if i'm playing with single shiv i shouldn't pre-shiv before KB right ? we only shiv at last few seconds window ?

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

you can check by just opening the recraft

[balmy condor]

yes

[fallow estuary]

When kb is at 8 you shiv

[short otter]

i dont have the dagger tho. wanted to cheap out maybe and calculate regular craft with shit mats and recraft with good mats

[ripe carbon]

itll cost a lot more

dagger mats are expensive

[balmy condor]

that's just a waste of crests

[short otter]

i dont need crest to craft it baseline or do i?

[hoary apex]

is sacbrood still good for us?

]\

[ripe carbon]

u cn craft with spark of omen only at 606 five star

[short otter]

yeah thought maybe u save something that way

[fickle girder]

https://tenor.com/view/aaa-gif-26709748

[ripe carbon]

no u spend the same mats

and then more on recraft

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's the same mats regardless of what ilvl

[ripe carbon]

the crest is cheap compared to the mats for omen dagger

it was like 50k for rank 3 mats i think or something like that

[short otter]

but i could craft only with spark on what ever quality with rarity 1 mats and recraft with rarity 3 mats if the materials price difference is large enough

[ripe carbon]

atleast my oceanic server its expensie

[short otter]

that was the idea anyway

[ripe carbon]

oh well i dunno

probably cost just as much

ill check mats for recraft

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[elfin sand]

Hi all, quick question, is there a soft cap of cc / hast / mastery to reach? to then put full poly or nothing to do?

[indigo oyster]

Is there a good keystone level to swap from Sudden demise, or is it just the way to go rn regardless of level?

[ripe carbon]

its 4 sanctified alloy and 3 ironclaw.. which are the expensive part of the craft

base craft is 8 alloy and 6 ironclaw (+ other small mats that arent as expoensive)

plus u have to pay acuity

[short otter]

yeah thats just not worth

thx tho

[royal lantern]

that shit is why i just use spatter and call it a day on all fights with adds

[left loom]

is there any chance that platter can indicate darkest night on the target as I cannot get it . Just to remember to wich target it is attached

[balmy condor]

darkest night is a player buff

[soft shale]

darkest night has no target attach

you mean deathstalker mark

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor on 1 shiv build do i use deathmark -> random gcd -> kingsbane

to get kingsbane in dmg bonus from deathstalker?

[orchid wind]

and don't mock me please, but what i'm seeing i'm not really pumping on single target compared to frost dk and arcane mage, isn't it better if we have insane aoe damage to just craft some ST emblishment ? just curious

[indigo oyster]

Or rather into the hybrid build with Poison bomb

[left loom]

nah my bad sorry i mean deathstalker but i got it

[subtle tundra]

that ST embelishment is not nearly much more st than aoe than youd think

it wont make a dent

idk if best embelishment is 1% dps

[soft shale]

embellish are super weak this expansion

guess they dont want another lariat situation for s1

[tough widget]

in the plater from the command it is disabled to display deathstalker above nameplates, anyone knows where to enable that?

[ripe carbon]

i dunno about that but i add in 'buff tracking'

[left loom]

what is the absolute minimun of debuffs you need to see on plates to play aoe effectively Rupture, Garrote , Imp Garrote, Spatter , Deathstalker and ?

[orchid wind]

i see

[fringe surge]

!build

[ripe carbon]

crimson tempest

[fringe surge]

any good build for m+ rn ?

but one withour ecoho, i hate it

[royal lantern]

double dawnweave is almost equal to ascension+patch

all prof stuff this expansion is really really low impact and doesnt really change things, embelishments, enchants, consumables etc...

[balmy condor]

I mean what is a "single target" embellishment in this case? Cause Ascendance is technically the best embellishment in single target for raids, but it's legit 0.2%, MAYBE 0.3% worse than dawnthread if you have awful dawnthread uptime. If you have good dawnthread uptime (like 80%), then dawnthread is equal in single target

so like

there isn't anything to do about it

assa ST just sucks and it's like that

it's undertuned

nothing you as the player will do can change that

[royal lantern]

my choice bettwen acension+patch or double dawnthread was made by me dropping a dagger during heroic raid and thinking "well, no crafted dagger for me"

[icy osprey]

is it fine if I craft a 636 dagger without embellishment and opt to use dawnthread on a 619 and 610 craft?

primarily play m+, just want the dagger ilvl for an earlier spike

[novel star]

sure

just shit u cant spark it all yet

[icy osprey]

well the 610 one is from pvp from last week, so ill have both sparks for the 619 freeby and 636 wep

[royal lantern]

the bigger question is

are you actually able to get the crests needed

[icy osprey]

yes I have both already

[novel star]

but nothing wrong with unembellished wep

since ascension kinda balls

m+

[spring socket]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen sandal]

If i craft dagger, its 636 craft or dont do it?

[molten widget]

is there a way to sim all gems on a possible socketed item. For example i want to sims all gems for my socketless neck.

[spice surge]

Yes, press the "+" icon on top gear and select add sockets

[molten widget]

ty

[sturdy plank]

How many ruptures should I have up before I go ham with caustic spatter

[normal mist]

5

[novel star]

yeh just 5

[edgy solstice]

it happened, oli

[novel star]

oh

yo

[edgy solstice]

I did a Seige

and a rogue whined about not getting to restealth

[novel star]

copy paste this to them

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[edgy solstice]

🙄

[novel star]

lmao

[edgy solstice]

they're just a pug but on god

I got insulted so much the rest of the ey

key*

even though they were griefing by pulling adds constantly

[novel star]

happens

[normal mist]

Did you tell the Rogue to get gud?

[novel star]

[normal mist]

Get them

[novel star]

cook

[edgy solstice]

my favorite

the WW monk and rogue BOTH died to the frontal

even after I wrote it in text

[royal lantern]

allright, the fat ass one was a good counter 😄

[normal mist]

This is peak cinema

[edgy solstice]

then we failed the key by, I shit you not, 5 seconds

🙂

enjoy the

[normal mist]

Too much time complaining

[edgy solstice]

[normal mist]

They should just play

[royal lantern]

no no no

its the restealths

[normal mist]

Oh right

Ahahahah

[novel star]

[edgy solstice]

My favorite is timing 2 mists keys double chesting both and then having this shit show - just so wild

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YVtfpGBM61gR2FKT

[novel star]

tank pug moment

[edgy solstice]

on god it was the restealths fam

[royal lantern]

on the Otherside you have pug tanks that dont tank the demo tentacle on siege

[worldly bridge]

Hi, im working on my UI RN. Mixing up atrocity and whispyr UI/Platers. I want to make my caustic target green like whispyr profile while maintaining my current profile. Could anyone explain me how to set it up pls ?

[crisp pine]

You go to modding and copy this

[edgy solstice]

My favorite is me actively auto-attacking it while tanking it but it starts doing hull crack anyway because their melee range is sliiiiiiightly too small

[crisp pine]

And paste it into your other profile

[edgy solstice]

🫠

[orchid wind]

is that dawnthread uptime considered on a only bossfight or overall ?

[orchid wind]

understood

[novel star]

he means 80% uptime st is equal to ascendance being up perma st

shit uptime on it will be better than ascendance over a key

[worldly bridge]

Thx ! Sry im very newb with UI settings where do i get the recolor bleeds thing to copy without importing profile ?

[novel star]

cause it’s impossible to not have even worse ascendance uptime

[crisp pine]

You open Plater
go to modding
scroll until you find the recolor bleeds
Right click
Export as a text string

Then on your other profile
you go to modding and click on import mod at the top

[worldly bridge]

Ok thx so if i get it right i need to impor whispyr profile first. on it

[austere linden]

anyone rocking shadow binding ritual knife? sims better for me than Arakara at the same ilvl

[crisp pine]

Oh yea, if you wanna steal that shit you need the thing to steal from

[turbid crest]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[turbid crest]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

it’s very good but it can proc the debuff during your cds and you get kinda owned

cloakable tho

[polar timber]

our ramp time is too long

[crisp pine]

That's the sin way
You can shorten opener stuff if mobs die too fast

though not sure if that's even the play anymore

[austere linden]

raidbots has diff value in agi tho, is just the tooltip wrong but stats are simming right? i mean the wednesday nerf / buff to trinkets

[worldly bridge]

It worked thx! Last thing i wanna make my current CP glow hard, any ideas how to implement it ? CP WAs are kinda messy to me

[polar timber]

shouldnt have to be tbh

even if its not often

every 2 mins to have a quick ramp isnt too bad or op

[crisp pine]

uh
wdym make your current CP glow hard exactly?

like if you have 4 cps the 4cps just glow?

[waxen sandal]

are we able to do delve 8? haha

[worldly bridge]

exactly

[crisp pine]

Honestly that never really bothered me, if I wanted instant and constant damage I just played outlaw
but that might just be preference

[crisp pine]

ya

[waxen sandal]

aint it hard af

[novel star]

no idea

couldn’t tell u truly

[crisp pine]

Healer Brann helps in my experience
Can't pull the whole room ofc but it is doable
Especially if you get higher ilvl ofc

[deft stream]

hey can anyone tell me how i can make deathstalkers mark change nameplate color?

[worldly bridge]

i'm not used to the typical WA CP, i have trouble identifying what CP im on

[crisp pine]

you take whispyrs profile
or copy his recolor bleed thing to your profile

[novel star]

download whispyr plater and copy the mod out of it

yeh

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[deft stream]

i tried copying that and it didnt work on my profile

idk why

[novel star]

[crisp pine]

did you reload and actually applied the mark?

[crisp pine]

well
uuh

[deft stream]

yh yh

does it work if i already put rupture to chage nameplate color aswell

[crisp pine]

Are you using a WA pack atm?

[deft stream]

can i have 2 of those

[worldly bridge]

Yeah Atrocity UI

[crisp pine]

you can have 2 of those, but I think you need an extra color when all of the things apply?

[worldly bridge]

i send u the Mod string for recolor bars

[deft stream]

thanks il try

[crisp pine]

Well
Easiest way would be if atrocity UI already makes some combo points glow
then just extend that shit to all combo points lol

[worldly bridge]

u need to import it just like Khaddel explained and its perfect

[crisp pine]

Got no idea how atrocity looks or what it does tho

[worldly bridge]

this is how it looks. The reg cp are fine but i hate the interaction with animacharged CPs

[deft stream]

ah thanks man working now

[crisp pine]

oh you want only the animacharged to glow?

[worldly bridge]

i cant figure out what cp im at when i press echoing

it rly sucks. On the screenshot i sent i was on 2cp.

Sooo i want to highlight my current CP with big glow

[novel star]

that’s not 3?

tf

[worldly bridge]

that was 2 rofl

[novel star]

that wa is ass

[crisp pine]

ait that's fucked up

[novel star]

what the fuck

lmao

why is the first one brighter if you’re

not even on it

cant b real

[crisp pine]

wellll
making the cp you're currently on glow is gonna be a lil more difficult
you could try changing the animacharged color/behaviour first?
Hard trying to modify a WA I don't have access to lol

[waxen sandal]

Brann as healer is best for rogues in delves ?:)

[crisp pine]

Maybe DPS Brann works if you just tricks him, but I have no clue how good he is after all the hotfixes

[bitter saddle]

I just did a t8 delve and brann healing is strong. The potions he throws heal a lot no tricks needed unless I pull 5 mobs at once

[worldly bridge]

idk i sent u the WA in txt msg DM. I think the best thing i could do would be find a new one and replace it completely

[crisp pine]

don't you have to pay for atrocity
are we doing fraud rn

[worldly bridge]

I like the old school CP actually. Is there a WA that recreate it ? Cuz im using ELVui and its taking OG CP away

[crisp pine]

Every CP should be separate in your WA
you could try opening one, go to display tab and click on glow at the bottom

[crisp pine]

probably
Can check Wago

[sinful elk]

im a little lost - how much should i just be pooling with an envenom buff running if at all? do we have a general energy threshold to stay above/below?

coming from wotlk pooling simple brain

[ripe carbon]

i just made my own combo point bar. its not too hard

getting it to look the way u want might be tho

[crisp pine]

holy fuck I can't get out of combat with the stupid fucking dummies I hate my life

[ripe carbon]

ya it is annoying

if u move away a bit they drop combat but dont drop bone spike

well u gain charge back but it stays on dummy

[crisp pine]

Man atrocity just has one bar for combo points fuck me

[ripe carbon]

thats all mine is

activates at 5 or more combo points

[subtle tundra]

skrill issue

[desert saffron]

whats the best way to deal with ascendant orbs currently

[subtle tundra]

man why is caustic 45% flurry

nerf this shit

[edgy solstice]

yeah, I know it doesn't feel good to not get to re-stealth, but if the waveshapers are dead, and it's just an enforcer or 1 raider up with like 50% hp and everything else is dead, I'm pulling the next pack with that so it'll all die at the same time hopefully. could be my skill issue but I need to keep pace

[subtle tundra]

i was flaming the rogue

the rogue shouldve killed the enforcer

[edgy solstice]

oh i know

I just meant

my tanking might also be an issue by chance but me announcing frontal location and mfers standing in it

that's on them

lol

[novel star]

we need it

[subtle tundra]

2nd day and keys are already piss easy........

[edgy solstice]

I'm by no means a perfect tank 😅

also I'm wildly high

I had a stressful ass day

[subtle tundra]

good

[edgy solstice]

[subtle tundra]

if my tank isnt high, then he isnt tanking right

[kind forge]

[edgy solstice]

fax no printer on god

<insert other lingo i dont know since im a millennial boomer>

[subtle tundra]

no printer frfr

[west cove]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[fallow estuary]

Really? I played yesterday and thought they are pretty hard

CoT 10/11 (last boss) and NW 3rd Bosd on 10+ was pretty undoable for me

[main hemlock]

what is piss easy for u?

[subtle tundra]

ofc theres exceptions on overtuned bosses

[main hemlock]

are u at +11s ?

[subtle tundra]

those will get nerfed

but the average feels easy

[fallow estuary]

12s are insane tuned

[novel star]

is gb end boss one of those

he felt a lil crazy in like shit low keys

[subtle tundra]

+10 at 610 should be a struggle

[jaunty kayak]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

how will keys feel at 630+

i already cant always get a full kb off

how will that be when im actually geared

[crisp pine]

Think mobs and bosses are gonna get buffed by 20% at +12?
probably gonna be fine

[wicked dagger]

Damn dude what ilvl are you to have +10s feel easy.

[urban moat]

DC are crazy... Are we on a private serv wtf is this game

[novel star]

new xpac shit

[subtle tundra]

yea maybe but loot is capped at 10, not 12

[novel star]

idk isn’t vault ilvl runs being braindead kinda the standard atp

nothing surprising there

[subtle tundra]

will be even sooner than before
df was better

[novel star]

except how early it’s possible ig

[crisp pine]

well no clue how it's gonna be if you're max ilvl and still running 10s

[novel star]

yeah

[crisp pine]

maybe you can blast using the bleed build then again lmao

[novel star]

but expansions are overall shorter now right?

so idunno

everything will be faster paced ideally

assuming blizz words mean anything

[spice surge]

Max gear is like 30+ ilvls higher than what most people have right now

This season

So 10s are gonna get obliterated

[novel star]

mm

[subtle tundra]

ok what if they nerf caustic and maybe ct

and aura buff us

i am crazy

ban me

[crisp pine]

then what

[eager tree]

Rogues don't have a way to remove roots outside of cloak right?

[spice surge]

Vanish

Technically

[subtle tundra]

then i dont frequent this disc anymore

[vast hound]

Hello friends , i have a question regarding the raiding builds on icyveins , im 605 ilvl atm with bis trinkers from dungeons my sims atm are saying i should be doing 940k dps but im consistenly doing 200-400k less dps than the sim shows. I tried to find a rotation for either fatebound ST or deathstalker ST but couldnt find anything useful. Any tips would be greatly appreciated

[subtle tundra]

cause im banned

[arctic socket]

Wowhead has a rotation guide

Written out

[eager tree]

how did you 'not find a fatebound or deathstalker ST build' on the icyveins and wowhead guides? go to the builds page, they have both lol

[kind forge]

you can tell varas REALLY hates caustic

[crisp pine]

flurry with extra steps smh

[vast hound]

I found both but i figured im doing something wrong at the later stages of hc raid fights always run out of energy and my dps drops

[crisp pine]

omg omg who's gonna do the command

[eager tree]

energy dropping is natural

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[crisp pine]

LETSGOOOO

oh don't we have another one that says smth about not having energy is by design?

[novel star]

i mean not a terrible idea frankly

the st needs it so bad shit is fucked

[eager tree]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

i wouldn’t be opposed

[crisp pine]

Sick

[clear nexus]

what tasks does treacherous transmitter give

[arctic socket]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[vast hound]

Maybe my stats are wrong?

[arctic socket]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

collect an orb / stand in a marked spot on the ground / jump 3 times

are the tasks i think?

[vast hound]

I think i got 34% mastery and 27% crit

What stats should i aim for % wise

[novel star]

nothing

[eager tree]

bruh read abvoe you lol

[novel star]

all stats are good

read the command

we don’t have any stat we feel bad about

[eager tree]

200k less than a 900k sim means something fundamentally is wrong tbh, or you just got gigafucked by mechanics

[crisp pine]

You could post one of your logs
So ppl can see if you're doing smth obviously wrong

[kind forge]

in what environment did you do 300k less dmg than you sim suggests ?

[eager tree]

yeah Makeitquake did a log review for me earlier this week, was great

[vast hound]

Even in the 3rd bossfight which is ST i did like 740k

[eager tree]

except for the fact my trinket procced the negative stat during my dm 😦

[kind forge]

you can cloak it

[vast hound]

I have mythic 0 grim batol trink and i have the ara kara trinket and still cant reach close to 900k

[eager tree]

yeah already cloaking on CD on that fight for uptime lol

[crisp pine]

Post log

[vast hound]

Sec

[eager tree]

brother nothing youre posting is going to help if you dont post the sim and the log

[crisp pine]

Or else we'll just gonna say skrill issue

[novel star]

you should be simming target dummy and smacking a dummy if you want to see sim disparity as like a potential remaining rotation improvement thing