assassination

[long hinge]

isnt fatebound better then DS in high keys ?

[spice spire]

And has better tier than us

[keen spruce]

yeah but everyone gonna have 4pc by next week

[spice spire]

[jade crescent]

Good luck in actuality.

[spice spire]

?

[keen spruce]

OL bad scaling is fake news

[runic hinge]

They are very similar with DS having more prio damage and better defensives

[novel star]

outlaw stomps sin in logs too buddy lol

theyre just the best spec

[spice spire]

OL actually does stuff with stats now so it’s not even a scaling thing.
Haste isn’t useless anymore. You’re not a rawdog flat damage only gamer. This is just bad info

Like it’s just better tuned than sin.
I haven’t breathed in sub’s direction so I can’t tell you shit about it

[waxen oyster]

Sub is bug abusing

[keen spruce]

until sub bugs fixed who knows

[waxen oyster]

and DN is perma buffing evis

or something

[haughty lantern]

better tuned, but more crackhead

[spice spire]

[gray horizon]

whats the sub bug

[spice spire]

Sub and bug abusing

[gray horizon]

sounds fun

[spice spire]

Name a more classic duo

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Akaari

[limber lion]

The bug is pinned'

Abuse it and you get banned

Worth

(not)

[haughty lantern]

a nerubian somehow crawled into the game code

[novel star]

the flensing one is so stupid

how does that even happen

[haughty flicker]

its definitely a strange one

[waxen oyster]

Isnt it all over logs

[novel star]

i really doubt they would ban people for that

maybe the eviscerate one if its a button you normally never press or something

but flensing 0% chance of punishment

[keen spruce]

if you ban people for talenting into DS and pressing evis

then u should really just take the servers down and fix it

[crisp pine]

Idk banning sub rogues seems reasonable to me

[novel star]

i wish we had flensing knives

i want my 0.4% or whatever it is

[faint path]

assas rogue feel like meh in m+

[glossy lagoon]

I feel like im energy starve half of the M+

[shadow tulip]

I feel energy starved at least 50% of raid. Stupid pooling.

[faint path]

meh not that but

[gray horizon]

??

[arctic summit]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[waxen oyster]

Play another spec then

[gray horizon]

You shouldn't feel starved in m+

[spice spire]

That’s honestly where it feels the best imo

[gray horizon]

So many bleeds, so much energy

[shadow tulip]

Yea

[glossy lagoon]

boss fight

ofc not on big packs

[gray horizon]

boss fight isn't bad now that ER has been fixed

[faint path]

literally retri arcane mages oneshotting all mobs at 7-8 key 😄

[orchid wind]

i feel like my st damage is ass on M+

[novel star]

you should never ever have energy problems in mythic+

spread more bleeds

you literally every single pack should be mashing on gcd

[spice spire]

Because it is

[novel star]

energy gameplay is not a thing in mythic+

[novel star]

yeah we are ass there

[orchid wind]

damn

[vernal gate]

is it worth minmaxing sanguine blades on m+?

[novel star]

have insane padding but our st sucks

[orchid wind]

lol ok

[novel star]

you dont even have to it just happens

[waxen oyster]

ret players are worse

number of rets i see who compete with the tank on st

[novel star]

i mean

most popular spec or smth innit

[spice spire]

It’s a one button class

[novel star]

gonna naturally have the most idiots

[waxen oyster]

14 y.o teenager hero complex looking ahhh

[faint path]

4 set retri literally doing 3m dps every pull

[frigid pilot]

ret and warrior players

notorious

bm hunter too

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure I did 2m every pull

start of m0 week

[faint path]

ye but now try with retris

[novel star]

3mil dps is not that much

[spice spire]

I mean what pulls are we doing

[waxen oyster]

yeah it really isnt

[novel star]

depends on the pull

[faint path]

well its big dps for 2-3 mobs every pack

[spice spire]

Are we pulling 3 at a time or like

[novel star]

the really big mech pull in stonevault i hit like 5.4 mil or something

[faint path]

which talents?

[novel star]

hybrid

party didnt kill shit before kb ended

[waxen oyster]

I mean frost dk is pretty braindead too

[faint path]

can u link

[waxen oyster]

unholy is the only respectable dk spec

[novel star]

its just the stuff on wowhead

sec

[waxen oyster]

though if you want to deter frost players

[novel star]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#hybrid

[waxen oyster]

just make breath of sindragosa

the highest simming build

[novel star]

id rather frost meta over unholy meta just because i dont like playing unholy but i do like playing frost

even though i dont play either right now

[waxen oyster]

I mean im one of the people

that likes bos

for skill expression

[haughty lantern]

so.....one big question i still have about outlaw rogue is the apm

is outlaw still a "crackhead" spec that is constantly mashing buttons?

B/c when i played prot war for keys back in s4 of DF, after like 2-4 dungeons my left hand was hurting from how much fucking button spam there was

if outlaw is that level of crackhead apm, i might just stay sin rogue

[spice spire]

Not so much

It’s still higher apm

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior is more spammy than outlaw imo

[limber lion]

I just dinged 80 guys

[waxen oyster]

due to IP being off gcd

[spice spire]

But it’s not omega crackhead

[limber lion]

I'm ready

[hardy venture]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[keen spruce]

I mean it only feels a bit more spammy cuz of AR

but it's not like

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-mvp-the-goat-gif-27042870

[keen spruce]

1000 buttons off GCD

[haughty lantern]

GRANTED i am getting like..... "antsy" during the pooling periods of dps. that is one thing i don't like about sin rogue

[waxen oyster]

like

necrolord prot warrior

[keen spruce]

mildly faster than other rogue specs

[waxen oyster]

during conq banner

good lord that was spammy

[spice spire]

Goated stuff

[keen spruce]

pooling is vibe time

[spice spire]

Miss banner so much

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

real

[hardy venture]

!pool

[novel star]

hit this bitch yesterday

[waxen oyster]

banner was the coolest warrior cov ability

[haughty lantern]

god i can feel the fuckin phantom pain in my left hand of those days of que spamming dungeons as prot

[novel star]

thats my pb for now

[spice spire]

!pooling

[waxen oyster]

but it was a 2min cd

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[waxen oyster]

on a 1.5min class

[novel star]

16 fuaaaaarkin coins

[spice spire]

I don’t remember the Kyrian ability. I remember venthyr was an execute replacement

[waxen oyster]

Well there was one point pre sepulcher release

[spice spire]

And nf was like

[waxen oyster]

that necrolord gnome fury

was highest sim

[waxen oyster]

spear

[faint path]

okay now lets see hybrid build in 7 necro

[waxen oyster]

like druid vortex

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

I liked spear

[waxen oyster]

it stil exists

they just made it poop brown

[spice spire]

Dog

[waxen oyster]

if you dont have the glyph

[spice spire]

I haven’t played warrior fr since like

[haughty lantern]

like when i first made my rogue, and all throughout legion, outlaw was my preferred spec

it has

• cool weapon + trinket set combo I can chase
• my preferred transmog (thunderfury artifact appearance)
• APPARENTLY really good damage?
• in theory hekili can help me with learning the crackhead rotation and timing

but also I have to consider the cost of swapping my current crafted gear to outlaw stuff and also get the fist weapon + trinket from princess

[spice spire]

9.2

[waxen oyster]

condemn animation got baked into execute

[spice spire]

And even then half ass

[waxen oyster]

if you talent massacre

iirc

[spice spire]

That’s neat ig

Venthyr was not it for me

[novel star]

i mean regardless of build sin is still a ramp spec and if you cant ramp you wont do much

it depends how geared ur party is and shit

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it was sleeper

[novel star]

[waxen oyster]

and nf was rng earthquake style knocks

[spice spire]

Felt like you didn’t have a covenant power

Ahh that was right

I never touched nf

[haughty lantern]

and also i have to consider rogue specs going forward into new seasons.

Traditionally, how do the 3 rogue specs perform as the expansion goes on and we get better and better gear? does one spec typically pull ahead of the others? (like how arms warrior typically overtook fury in DF)

[spice spire]

But remember it being ass

[waxen oyster]

was kinda cringe

pulsating aoe on ground

also you had to stand in the spot you pressed the cd

for haste buff

[spice spire]

Sin scales BABY (this is a meme, you’re subject to tuning always)

[haughty lantern]

ye ofc

[spice spire]

Fine

You’ll have less pooling

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

like rogue has the neato shiny fist weapon + trinket combo that my adhd brain wants to chase b/c dopamine over fad thing

[waxen oyster]

I mean you can argue

sin feels better late expac

due to just having more crit

more crit more seal fate

[spice spire]

Isn’t sf available to all

[haughty lantern]

so it's kinda like fire mage in that regard i guess

[spice spire]

[waxen oyster]

no

got axed from sub iirc

[spice spire]

Oh rework

Lmfao

[waxen oyster]

and the s1/2 sub players

[spice spire]

It did get moved

[orchid wind]

so do we do anything for it ?

[keen spruce]

recently

[orchid wind]

diff builds or smth ?

[waxen oyster]

bitched they couldnt storm bp on 3t

[keen spruce]

you can just play any rogue spec you want and do fine

in basically all content

none of them have been that stinky

[spice spire]

Real for that tbh

[novel star]

nop

[waxen oyster]

well its sub

you dont even press black powder anymore

[haughty lantern]

Idk, how often do Outlaw rogues shower?

[waxen oyster]

due to how piss it is

[spice spire]

[novel star]

there is the cleave build for like max st/prio but you sacrifice so much aoe its not recommended unless its super necessary and youre in a high level group thats planned it out

[grave osprey]

Every second Sunday

[spice spire]

From most bloated ability to pisslow

Ain’t no way

[novel star]

and after all of that your boss damage will still suck

compared to other classes

so lol

[lime crypt]

wtf is this

[waxen oyster]

hunter loot

[orchid wind]

perfect

[spice spire]

[waxen oyster]

like im pretty sure as trickster

you press bp in st

[keen tartan]

@keen spruce yo

[waxen oyster]

more than aoe

[keen tartan]

Are u ready for some banger material

[keen spruce]

gm mr bread

[spice spire]

That’s not even that banger fire is ASS 🔥🔥

[keen tartan]

lol

[spice spire]

Need ten more years of this shit

[keen tartan]

We were talking about it the other day

[spice spire]

And then they’re free

[keen spruce]

losing to orange class

[hardy venture]

Correct me if I am wrong, but Blind will only AoE the orbs in M+ if we use it on a target yeah? we can't use it directly on the ball to get the AoE effect?

[waxen oyster]

is feral actually good rn

[normal mist]

can i be edgy again?

[waxen oyster]

or whats going on

[keen tartan]

Yeah he got a 100 parse

[spice spire]

They’re below Aug on the weekly dps wowhead thing @keen spruce

[spice spire]

Still use it on my rogue as tmog

[waxen oyster]

quake enjoys his 1 pixel washrag mog

[spice spire]

Yes

[novel star]

i mean we have insane aoe so we are still valuable lol

[keen tartan]

Better than fire lol,

For context it was 2nd boss LFR (meme parse but need gear) and so he probably deleted shit with ravage

[spice spire]

Hate helmets

[keen spruce]

quake hasn't played wow since Cursed Vision was current content

not even transmog

smh

[orchid wind]

i mean, i don't like my single target at all

[waxen oyster]

Oh yeah need to do wing 2 lfr

[orchid wind]

at least compared to arcane mages lol

[novel star]

well yeah

[spice spire]

Dog I’m literally playing currently

[noble onyx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Not like right this second

[orchid wind]

and i don't even have 4p right now, so i don't know how our aoe looks

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/letterkenny-allegedly-gif-10608199

[orchid wind]

mist 6

[novel star]

i also dont have 4p

[arctic socket]

How come like they don’t make wheelchairs with peddles

[waxen oyster]

reminder arcane got nerfed

[novel star]

arcane is just really good

[spice spire]

That’s a thinker eh

[haughty lantern]

Fire is still down drowning in Nashjir

[orchid wind]

arcane has lot of bugs till i know, and they're doing this amount of damage

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m excited for season 2 tbh

[haughty lantern]

Send help

[orchid wind]

[novel star]

like?

[dapper acorn]

How is Kiss of Death trinket performing for assa? Is it worth taking from vault?

[waxen oyster]

i saw a fury warrior the other day

with a warbound kyveza fist

[orchid wind]

burden , GI

[waxen oyster]

gave me physical pain

[azure arrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[waxen oyster]

his offhand wasnt even a 1hander

[fleet pagoda]

maybe the guy's good at arcane, too

[novel star]

ur tying the spec that needed to not only get nerfed but get an addendum to the patch notes that added an even bigger nerf before the first nerf went live

[novel star]

with our below average st damage ur .01m total dps behind

and like

explosion dooming over it

[waxen oyster]

my favorite is

[novel star]

idk what to tell you

[waxen oyster]

fury warriors wondering

why they got nerfed

then i look at queen logs

or any boss near the end

[spice spire]

Gonna stop you there big dog

Fury warriors have no thoughts

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[waxen oyster]

oh

right

just angy

[spice spire]

Amen

[novel star]

do u want me to just say yesssss sin is so bad ur so right goat and get in a circle to cry ab it

im busy playing the videogame and having fun

[waxen oyster]

sin dead play havoc

play another spec reamed by realz

[haughty lantern]

I realize this is kinda treason but guys I need help deciding if I jump ship to outlaw or I stay sin rogue

Do we have like……ANY indication if sin rogue or outlaw rogue is “better” going later into the xpac?

[novel star]

tf lmao

[spice spire]

0 indicator whatsoever

[waxen oyster]

Well havoc actually got buffed

in the form of bugfixes

[spice spire]

Just play whatever

[haughty lantern]

Gotcha

[waxen oyster]

realistically sub might be best boss on ansurek

[spice spire]

Miss the goat

[haughty lantern]

So I THINK my strategy approach is to sit in sin rogue until I get the fist weapon and trinket, THEN fully commit to outlaw (by recrafting my wrist and belt to haste/vers with focusing lens)

[haughty lantern]

I’m not trying to be best on just ansurek, and my guild are heroic Andy’s anyway. If anything I kinda want what would be stonks for M+ since that I can do “solo” and aren’t held back by my guild

[waxen oyster]

playing m+ seriously

and playing melee

choose one you cant have both

[spice spire]

Real

[haughty lantern]

Lmao true

[novel star]

im getting my portals

and my myth track gear

and thats about it

[spice spire]

Oh that’s chuckle time

[haughty lantern]

But as in I have the free time to be a degen and do high level keys

[azure arrow]

is assa still the go to for m+?

[spice spire]

Outlaw and sin both good

Play what you want

[real birch]

!macro

[spice spire]

For m+

[azure arrow]

how about for raid?

[novel star]

whatever you enjoy playing

[haughty lantern]

I guess the ultimate deciding factor for me will be if Outlaw rogue ends up making my hand hurt or not

[real birch]

any good macros for deathmark and kingsbane

[acoustic roost]

No. Just trinket/racial/pot + death mark

[novel star]

outlaw does the most dmg but if you suck dick at outlaw youre going to do better dps and not fail as many mechanics playing whatever ur most comfortable on

i say dis daily atp but if ur not in a top 50/maybe top 100 guild stop caring

and pick spec for fun

[haughty lantern]

I am GENUINELY curious to see how much dps I can do as a total outlaw rookie using Hekili training wheels

[novel star]

hekili works better for outlaw than us so probably decent

[fluid pumice]

Hekili 🤢 don't do it, you're better than that

[spice spire]

They’re both on the GCD so no

[plush bronze]

i think hekili is probably more harmful than helpful as training wheels. you're not going to understand why youre hitting what youre hitting

[haughty lantern]

Just get rid of the GCD 4head

[plush bronze]

and so you'll keep the training wheels on forever because you dont know how to ride without them

[haughty lantern]

This is why I am here trying to learn more

Hell I could probably take the training wheels off at this point but I just like how it helps me keep track of dots

[wanton mortar]

would you take this over a socket? it gives me 15k dps cuz i have a crit/versa neck

[haughty lantern]

But that’s just me being lazy about not making/getting a WA

[waxen oyster]

its a "very" rare

[frigid pilot]

take it, wtf

[azure arrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[novel star]

i mean its a very rare and bis forever until you get the mythic one

[plush bronze]

fair enough but yeah a WA would definitely be a better solution but sounds like you already know that lol

[haughty lantern]

Considering you can insert sockets via money, I would say yes

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure its more stats than an average 626 neck

[novel star]

so like yes

i took that neck and dropped 30k socketing it

cause i know im gonna use it for months

[haughty lantern]

^^^^

30k ain’t even that much

[novel star]

i can make 30k in one hour clicking on rocks and bushes

and i might not see that neck again for weeks

but ill use it every day i log in for a long fuckin time

[haughty lantern]

Not to mention your healers will thank you

[novel star]

this too

its like a baby innervate

[upbeat geode]

Does anyone know when we use Mad Queen's Mandate in our opener?

[novel star]

shit goes hard

[wanton mortar]

wait is that neck good? though stats were bad

[haughty lantern]

At LEAST. A few months

[novel star]

it is very good yes

its bis for a lot of classes

because of the proc

[haughty lantern]

And most specs want at least some amount of haste

And again the healer thing

[novel star]

yeh

[azure arrow]

but assa does more dmg the higher the key right?

or is it not true anymore with the outlaw buffs

[pure mica]

When do we use the mad queens mandate, just on cd?

[amber blaze]

When do I need to press FoK in ST ?

[proud yacht]

When running DS and have CTW up and not running VV

[faint path]

what buff?

[novel star]

(basically yes)

from wowhead

[azure arrow]

didnt outlaw receive some buffs before this reset?

[novel star]

no

outlaw got nerfs

2% nerf with their tierset, 6% nerf without

#outlaw pins

[thin owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAEA9kicXFFkZSQRYXE8c8

is my sim so low for 605?

[subtle tundra]

kinda

bro you have 0 sockets

[sweet storm]

eu servers down?

[subtle tundra]

0 enchants

[normal mist]

yes

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[normal mist]

"yes"

[thin owl]

yeah havent bought anything yet

[subtle tundra]

why do i sim low

[normal mist]

GF is able to log in

me and a bunch of guildies cant

[subtle tundra]

atleast sim top gear with enchants

[sweet storm]

yeah just dced and stuck on retrieveing character screen

[thin owl]

aight lemme do that

why u rusty tho

[normal mist]

same

[subtle tundra]

fym rusty :(((

[thin owl]

you a real rogue hehe

[spice spire]

You rusty as fuck

(Idk what this means)

[spice surge]

Sitting afk in raid because people get DC:ed and cant get back in

Wooooo

Thanks blizz

[kindred dune]

guys maybe stupid question, but why didnt we use sparks on weapon crafting for 636 weapons instead we use it on normal gear? how are normal ppl supposed to get 636 daggers?

[subtle tundra]

what do you mean instead

[spice spire]

They had to give EU the NA treatment

[haughty flicker]

finally a true global release

[subtle tundra]

it is recommended to craft dagger if you cant get mythic dagger

[spice surge]

We had this on smolderon too

[haughty flicker]

both regions having servers down

[spice surge]

Truly great

[spice spire]

Imagine a world where dn exists with a boss named smolderon

Utopia truly

[gray briar]

how does the (4) set boni working?
I need 5 stacks on me and 5 targets must have the other bleeds?

[tired gull]

i would play outlaw if i could tmog warglaives, so it's probably a good thing we can't

[gray briar]

the german translation is very bad and makes no sense

[haughty flicker]

that seems to be a running theme

[topaz nymph]

is there certain % on stats assa aims for?

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[kindred dune]

gotcha, so we craft belt and armbands with embelishment and after we craft daggers plain?

[frigid pilot]

!crafting

!embellishment

!gear

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

We only need to do 8s for max vault right

[subtle tundra]

idk my guild is telling me what to do

[tired gull]

how does the tott macro + wa determine who to tricks in raid with more than 1 tank

[oak egret]

/wa

[spice surge]

Theres a custom setting, but it defaults to tank 1

[oak egret]

oof

[hardy venture]

Is there a guide/suggestion thing for when it comes to upgrading gear with Crests/Valorstones. I never played in DF with this system

[tired gull]

sick thanks

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[slate crown]

oh you meant to type in game didn't you

[uneven plume]

bubbling wax fixed?

[shy pecan]

Watch it grow to more RH folks (like @spice spire)

[glossy grove]

quick question, is the spyglass trinket better for m+ and raid than the ara kara egg trinket?

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-satanic-satan-star-led-gif-19113956

Hello

[frigid pilot]

if i have heroic dagger, do i still craft 636?

[spice spire]

It’s a simmer question: different people want different things based on profile

It’s not black and white

[glossy grove]

kk

[shy pecan]

Weapon ilvl does matter.

If you’re not getting a mythic track weapon, might be worth considering.

[novel star]

mainhand ilvl clears pretty much anything else but it depends

[frigid pilot]

i am getting the first dagger we get

[novel star]

from mythic?

[frigid pilot]

but noticed a bunch of top logs have crafted weps

[frigid pilot]

yes

[novel star]

then probly just hold off until you kill blood ragnaros

[shy pecan]

Then don’t craft.

[novel star]

kyveza is like harder

so you prolly want good shit for that fight

[frigid pilot]

so craft belt/bracer?

i have a good belt, trash boots

[novel star]

wait til u kill blood boss prob

[random falcon]

feel like sudden demise has lost alot of value moving into m+ any tips for getting a fatter overall?

[novel star]

if dagger drops go dawnthread if not go ascension

is what id do but idk

[frigid pilot]

is ascension only on wep?

[novel star]

yeh

[frigid pilot]

ah

[novel star]

but you have to craft an armor piece to match it

to get 2x the effect

same way you use ur 2 embellishments to stack dawnthread

they do the same damage

in st

just have to prio ilvl depending on drops

[shy pecan]

You can sim that.

I don’t know your gear.

[stiff edge]

guys. is bubbling wax still good instead of whetstone ?

[frigid pilot]

well obviously boot craft is more dps now, but dunno if ppl r taking into consideration amount of belt/boot drops

and choices

since i have hero belt, champion boots

[shy pecan]

If you’re playing the long game, you wait.

[frigid pilot]

ah

[shy pecan]

If you’re playing for HoF, you need to figure that out yourself and what is more important and where you’re getting those gains.

[gray olive]

idk what i doing wrong, look this overall
i just did the highest dps on Grimb+4

but my friend went the same Grimb(+7) with another rogue assa on pt, and see the difference in skill dmg

about you question, i think sudden demise is fine

[stiff edge]

spatter is way to low

[fickle lotus]

the higher the key the more value you get out of caustic spatter, the lower the key the more worth sudden demise is

[gray olive]

why idk what i doing wrong really

[shy pecan]

Spatter seems low but also depends on your build. Bleed build is lower.

[shy pecan]

We can’t tell you more without logs. A damage breakdown doesn’t tell us how pulls were done, who was in the group, what you kept up, build, etc.

[gray olive]

but i tried his talents, nothing difference on assa talents, just 2 points on rogue

[frigid pilot]

whats the sauce on parsing silken court, we saving/delaying cds for an empower phase?

[novel star]

what are you doing between bleed uptime

you should be mashing envenoms into spatter target

even just their envenom is like tripling yours

which doesnt include spatter i think

[molten widget]

so i've been doing some simming and the 181 prim + 2% move speed is simming higher than the +0.15%. im very confused now. Shouldn't the +0.15% be more of a dps increase compared to the other one?

[novel star]

so you somewhere are just not pressing envenoms when u should be mashing em

[shy pecan]

It’s dependent on build. Bleed vs. hybrid will be different.

[minor gate]

hehehe

[gray olive]

just spamming multilate on rupture targets and crimson tempest

[novel star]

i mean even on bleed you wont lose 2/3 of ur envenom damage

[novel star]

never ever spam crimson tempest

they removed the instant damage

it is not an instant dmg spell anymore

[shell kraken]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

purely a bleed

like garrote and rupture

[fallow estuary]

How important is pooling actually?

[novel star]

and caustic spatter has a 1 target limit

you are supposed to pick one target to mutilate every 10s for spatter debuff

between that mash envenom on whoever you mutilated

and just keep ct ticking. dont spam it

[shy pecan]

That’s also dependent on group. If you’re playing with like fury warriors, might not be even able to setup if you don’t rush your setup.

[novel star]

you would skip ct and go straight to spatter burst prob

in that case

[fickle lotus]

if mobs are dying hella quick you should just CT

[subtle tundra]

you dont skip ct

[fickle lotus]

to get sudden demise proccing sooner

[shy pecan]

There’s just so many factors that you can’t look at two screenshots and know what’s going wrong.

[novel star]

i mean what difficulty are we talking about here lmao

[shy pecan]

4 GB

[novel star]

envenom doing literally 1/3rd of the damage as another rogue in the same group cant be normal

for sure logs tell a much better story than details breakdowns

but sometimes its obvious

oh wasnt same group nvm mb

misread

[shy pecan]

And a 4 vs a 7 are very different.

[novel star]

but i mean regardless

[dry trail]

anyone got a WA for Darkest Night proc?

[novel star]

seeing the envenom led me to ask a question that already showed via the answer that they dont know how spatter or ct work

[astral wadi]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

cause you cant do multiple spatters nor do you gain damage from mashing ct

[fickle lotus]

dm'd it to you

[gray olive]

my groups was a Fdk, Deva, Gdruid and Hpriest
my friend group was the rogue sin, Amage, Elemental sham, Pres and Gdruid

[novel star]

[shy pecan]

I dunno. I’m not gonna make any assumptions until I see logs.

[novel star]

yeh

i mean

just to ask again

/ clarify again

are you trying to apply spatter to multiple people?

[novel star]

cause it sounded like it from this message

if so, dont do that the talent doesnt work that way

[gloomy otter]

do i wanna use Crimson Tempest on single target/bosses too?

[frigid pilot]

no embelishment lul

[strange python]

need me a milf

[fickle lotus]

Normal

[shy pecan]

[gloomy otter]

whats your gs

[novel star]

nah

[lunar marsh]

How do you get that bubbling wax thingy?

[open mountain]

You do

If I’m keys fan of knives crits you use crimson tempest on single target

[keen glade]

ilvl?

[gloomy otter]

wym dont understand

[open mountain]

Clear the witness procs after applying deathstalkers mark, you use fan of knives, if fan crits you gain another buff increasing your crit and crit dmg from crimson tempest so then you would use crimson tempest

[novel star]

you can do that but it's really awkward to track and barely does more damage

[open mountain]

I asked the same question e yesterday and whyspr said this

[novel star]

but yes true

[open mountain]

Not that hard, just make a weak aura

[gloomy otter]

u got one for me? 😄

[novel star]

i mean if you want to do allat then yeah

but im pretty sure its like .2 or .3% dps or some shit

[open mountain]

It’s a dps increase.. why wouldn’t you? 😂

[novel star]

and very cringe

[open mountain]

Right if I got an item that was 0.2% increase I’d use it

[novel star]

yeah

[lament stump]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[novel star]

but a passive 0.2% item doesnt make you press crimson tempest in st and add a new weakaura for it

[runic hinge]

It’s a lot of brain power and kinda degen for .2 as opposed to just swapping an item

[willow cloud]

I did not realize the bubbling wax visual was so... Big until m+ last night. It also seems super pixelated? If they ever fix it's proc rate, I am sure it's going to draw comments...

[open mountain]

I mean the weak aura is pretty straight forward, just copy a utility aura from a weak aura profile and change the spell ID

[celest marlin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

like i said fair enuf

nothing wrong with minmaxing it if you want to

[open mountain]

Where does this 0.2% come from anyway? Is that in stone somewhere?

[novel star]

whispyr said it i think?

might be totally off

[open mountain]

Kk

[novel star]

@balmy condor how much % gained is the ct single target minmax

[fickle lotus]

lets just attribute some crazy ass shit to whispyr saying it

[frigid pilot]

607

[fickle lotus]

like without a trace is actually bis talent

[novel star]

i checked ur logs and i think you said 0.25% but hard to tell cus mightve been a reply to someone else or sum

[balmy condor]

Yeh it hovers around 0.3%

[limber lion]

Sounds good to me

[novel star]

kk

[open mountain]

Good enough increase to do it

[idle fossil]

Hmm, anyone know if it's worth speccing into DTB and Amp with 2set/4set? :D

For M+ that is

[vernal gate]

man this spec's ST in keys is actually laughable lmao

[balmy condor]

We spec dtb and amp without those already

[balmy condor]

It’s not much better in raid

[idle fossil]

Ah, I've been running the bleed build mostly, that doesnt :S

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[idle fossil]

I know that's more of a lower key build

[young dust]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

Yeh bleed build is just to try and get big sudden demise procs and zoom through low keys

[idle fossil]

aaah

makes sense ^^

[novel star]

you literally leech off other peoples damage

[young dust]

is dawnthread possible in dagger as well?

[novel star]

by getting more sd value because ur bleeds still have high duration

[balmy condor]

Idk bout that

But yeh

[novel star]

err

[balmy condor]

Can see it that way

[balmy condor]

No

[novel star]

i do

[surreal wedge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

yuumi build

[quasi steppe]

is it worth crafting a 636 wep and put an embellishment in it?

[novel star]

well look at the command above u

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one

[quasi steppe]

well, i mean if i get a 6 16 i should not craft one?

that note doesnt say it all in different situations

[novel star]

well yeah it would be a huge upgrade

[shy pecan]

But a 616 is also fine for the time being.

Better than a 580.

[novel star]

but depends if you get a myth dagger from raid/vault ig

[quasi steppe]

atm i have 606 and 586

im not raiding at all soo 😄

only m+

[novel star]

ah

[balmy condor]

Should probably craft a dagger then

[novel star]

craft that bitch then

your options for that ilvl are get myth track from raid or get myth track from vault

[balmy condor]

Gl on your next 37 vaults

[novel star]

so yeah

[balmy condor]

O7

[novel star]

vault rng is not kind

just craft ascension

[sturdy stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/977224345904619540/1286062889282830427/image.png?ex=66ec8ae6&is=66eb3966&hm=1a2c6f798c28fbe7d2b4a594fc16cb2bfdcbec280951d7989dcf6af84ac30486&

[quasi steppe]

okok ill investigate it

[sturdy stirrup]

pug is long

6 min 16 second first boss

[balmy condor]

Well not if he’s m+ only lmao

[novel star]

what do you do in that case

[balmy condor]

He would just craft the dagger and double Dawnthread

[novel star]

oh just no embellish and do 3 crafts

yeah yeah

2 sparks atm right

[balmy condor]

Ascension is ass in m+

[novel star]

is why i didnt think of it

[balmy condor]

Ye

[novel star]

but yeh

[balmy condor]

Is that 2 intermissions or 3

[sturdy stirrup]

3

[novel star]

im tryna get rid of this fuckin ascension dagger rn but i griefed my spark so bad and have to wait

[sturdy stirrup]

as i can remember that is

it took so long i forgot lol

[quasi steppe]

okay so i should craft dagger with double dawnthread and save my next s park for something cool?

[sturdy stirrup]

but hey at least i got purple

[haughty flicker]

my first kill took 9 minutes lmao

[sturdy stirrup]

last week it was green

[haughty flicker]

pugging is cursed

[novel star]

you only have 2 sparks rn so craft an unembellished spark dagger and one dawnthread

but yes

[fickle lotus]

What makes acension so bad in M+? do stack just instantly go away out of combat?

[quasi steppe]

craft two daggers? do you think im a millionare 😄

[haughty lantern]

ngl i feel like killing JUST ansurek as an assassin rogue is like peak class fantasy

[limber lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Yes

[fleet pagoda]

yeah I liked azj kahet for that reason. it's just a zone based on subterfuge

[novel star]

well no

[royal lantern]

day1 KSM done

[agile inlet]

Madness of the Betrayer good for M+ for a good while if fully upgraded ye? (not on bloodmallet)

[novel star]

dawnthread is an armor embellishment

[royal lantern]

enough m+ for a good while

[balmy condor]

The rule is if timewalking, it’s bad

[quasi steppe]

oooh so craft another item with dawnthread

[fickle lotus]

ty

[novel star]

yeh

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

wrist and belt as per the commandge

[quasi steppe]

yeeeeebudddy

ill look into that

just gonna get broke with the dagger first

[bronze pike]

That one hand mace is poggers

[proud trench]

how do i fight discipline priests

[novel star]

#pvp

real bosses in rwf soon

[limber lion]

any upgrades in the chat

[novel star]

ew

[limber lion]

lol

[gusty adder]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[fickle lotus]

w shit

[fleet pagoda]

I tried that trinket for one whole pull

[limber lion]

Everything else is like 6k and this is 28k. Sounds pretty sus to me

[balmy condor]

Nerfed in a week np

[fleet pagoda]

it's great if every mob is condensed into like half of melee range

[fallen arch]

Is bubbling wax not showing up in logs?

[bronze pike]

[novel star]

bubbling wax isnt showing up at all

its not logs

its just bugged

[fallen arch]

Oh

[novel star]

it doesnt work in offhand

and if you die

it stops working entirely

[fallen arch]

It does work though?

[novel star]

and you have to unequip and reequip the weapon

after respawning

[fallen arch]

Oh yikes

[bronze pike]

Nerf it, haven’t leveled my outlaw yet so it won’t effect me at all

[balmy condor]

Any time anything is remotely good from timewalking it gets nuked so hard

[bronze pike]

[novel star]

im doing it for shard because it looks cool

fuck you

[bronze pike]

Make all outlaws seethe

[spark cloud]

whats the reasoning for avoidance enchants and not the speed or leech stuff?

[fallen arch]

If u want speed get speed

[novel star]

taking less damage (and not getting oneshot) is better than healing the damage back slightly faster (or getting oneshot)

[bronze pike]

Avoidance is aoe dr

[novel star]

avoidance is a good stat

[bronze pike]

Leech is just healing

[balmy condor]

Cause I gotta pick one and if I pick leech someone will show up and go “why leech and not avoidance”

[rain mortar]

If you crafted the dagger and turn hit a higher level one - can you move it to offhand with the dark moon embellish or does the embellishment not work the same in off hand?

[balmy condor]

It’s like rock paper scissors except I always lose

[bronze pike]

And speed while good for specs like paladin, not that great in general unless you need help getting back to bosses for uptime

[royal lantern]

does the kazzak neck count as timewalking?

[novel star]

embellishments in offhand are fine

they dont get nerfed or anything

just the weapon dps

[rain mortar]

Sweet Ty

[spark cloud]

lmao, i mean thats fair. i wasnt sure if there was something i was missing that made avoidance just gold standard

[novel star]

i have ascension 610 in my offhand and heroic blood ragnaros dagger 619 in my main hand

i dont remember what his fucking name is dude

[bronze pike]

Ultimately all three suck and arnt worth to much of a thought

[novel star]

bloodbound horror thats it

[neat laurel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

Yeh, generally reducing damage taken is better than taking it and healing it after the fact and speed is nebulous at best

So I’m like

Probably the safest recommendation?

Idk

[errant phoenix]

friends, how long after throwing kingsbane should I throw shiv, can you help me with this and give me tactics?

[arctic summit]

Do you guys think it is worth upgrading a weapon to 619 from 606 or hold off?

[balmy condor]

Shiv before, shiv when the first drops

[spark cloud]

hey, you just write something on a guide and its gospel to 99% of us, fuck it

[errant phoenix]

okay thank you whispyr

[gleaming geyser]

[novel star]

sim it but if its in your main hand yes probably

[tawny geyser]

You can use the Kingsbane Timeline WA, still works fine for Shiv.

[delicate egret]

What build are y'all currently running in m+?

[novel star]

hybridge deathstalka

[pulsar basin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
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[swift dagger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[tired gull]

stupid dumb idiot belt from illidan chest

[arctic tusk]

do any stats on sin get better in M+/aoe

compared to ST

[fickle lotus]

crit does

[balmy condor]

It’s mostly haste losing value

So crit and mast actually have a noticeable gap between haste/vers

But then m+ meta is like stack vers to survive and do single target damage

So

[royal python]

Has zoldyck tails coin flip interaction been fixed

[balmy condor]

No

Probably intended tbh

[royal python]

No wonder deathstalkers go ahead of me late game

[arctic tusk]

ty 🐸 , to sim upgrades for aoe would u dslice it or just st anyways

[royal python]

Why intended

[royal python]

Why intended sir

[fickle lotus]

bubbling wax doesn't downscale in TW btw 🙂

[graceful widget]

is offhand weapon as important as main hand?

[balmy condor]

Zoldyck is a bit touchy cause of execute damage

[balmy condor]

Not even remotely

[graceful widget]

tyty

[unique stream]

hey guys, quick question, do I lose dps by changing target after apply caustic splatter? i'm not english fluent, so I'm having a hard time to understand that ability, it will spread the poisons I apply on that target or it will spread any poisons ?

[zealous wolf]

Do we trust trinket sims? Sac sims worse than both ritual knife and spelunkers candle for me

[balmy condor]

On that target and it’s used mostly for envenom

[balmy condor]

Yes

[royal python]

So what, do sims at present account for bug or bug free

[balmy condor]

Sims are set up to reflect the game

[lime crypt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Myz71YFvKV9Ckxpq#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=23
any idea why my parse is so shit? am i doing something big time bad?

[tired gull]

kingsbane seems low

[balmy condor]

Why do you have 3 casts of dm

[quaint dragon]

holy shit last boss of city is so gg

[balmy condor]

And 4 casts of kb

[short sedge]

I know this gets asked a lot but

[lime crypt]

i have no idea, if anything it should be opposite

[short sedge]

I play all 3 specs

[balmy condor]

What, no that’s not what it should be either

[short sedge]

am I trolling if I use the 80% vers embellishment for assa in m+

[balmy condor]

It should be 3 dm and 6 kb

Or 5?

5

[spice spire]

6 kb on a 4.5m fight?

[lime crypt]

at the end the boss was low and for some reason i had only deathmark up with 10s cd on kingsbane

[spice spire]

5 yeah

[zealous wolf]

is 65% dawnthread uptime optimal for sims? Idk id it matters, i guess it affects crit based trinkets

[balmy condor]

Sounds like a timing issue

[tired gull]

if you have 3 dm in a fight, you should have 5 or 6 KB

(depending on length)

[novel star]

from what ive seen in logs average uptime in real raid environment is around like 70-85?

[balmy condor]

70-75 usually for raid, m+ can go past 80%

[zealous wolf]

hmm

[novel star]

i just did some really lazy looking th o

[balmy condor]

Depends heavily on the fight

[novel star]

i dont know how to check better

not a wcl wizard

[languid gate]

when do I decide to craft a dagger?

[novel star]

when your dagger is shit

if you hit raid and vault and your dagger still sucks then craft a dagger so you dont suck anymore

[balmy condor]

When you have 90 gilded crests

[novel star]

also this lmao

unless u wanna recraft

[fickle lotus]

thought it was 60 crests for mythic one right?

[novel star]

90

[balmy condor]

Cookie Monster loves eating crests

[novel star]

for enchanted crest

[balmy condor]

I’m I’m on

wtf

[novel star]

what is it like 30/45/90? weathered runed gilded

[balmy condor]

Okay phone

[novel star]

for enchanted crest

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[spice spire]

Why did you kb the add

[novel star]

goat shit

[balmy condor]

That’s how the fight works

You have to kb down phase or else you lose casts

[novel star]

should be doing it anyway to be a Good Raider!

Help your Raid by doing the Mechanic :D

YIPEEEEEEE

[balmy condor]

I guess you could just ignore the down phase entirely m

And slam boss

[languid gate]

I mean I've got still 1st 4 HC bosses left.. my daggers are 590 😄

[balmy condor]

But like why

[novel star]

L;MFAOOOOO

[spice spire]

Not when it’s as low as he did. Got 6 ticks and waited for it

[novel star]

soaking frontal to go down and just not doing adds

holy fuck thats beast

[spice spire]

He could have sent it at exact

And started hitting the add after

2:12 > 3:26

[lime crypt]

i was confused in what to do, cuz like, whenever i had kb ready, it was "going down" phase

so i was like

do i slam it on boss and do boss only

(we wiped when i did that)

so i was like

[spice spire]

I mean that’s part of the fight

But

[lime crypt]

fuck it lemme slam it on add

[turbid crest]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

i mean you could kb the boss cause going down doesnt stop you from hitting it

but yeah thats just trolling your raid

by not using kb for spatter damage

lol

[spice spire]

Yeah raid needs the dam on adds likely

But

Like I said delaying his kb to 3:26 means he didn’t get another

[novel star]

and this would make your parse worse anyway no

[spice spire]

So it’s a x2 L on dam

[lime crypt]

at the start i was thinking of slapping kb on boss and focusing only boss and hoping that adds are in spatter range

but that was not the case

[novel star]

range is based on the center of the mob right not their attack range?

so itd just never even be close to hitting anything

or am i buggin

[scarlet wyvern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[lime crypt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Myz71YFvKV9Ckxpq#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=23

this felt better but still 97 parse

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

[lime crypt]

can i evasion the big aoe from sikran?

[balmy condor]

whats wrong with a 97

[lime crypt]

its not pink 🥹

[fickle lotus]

yes You can evasion it

[balmy condor]

crit more bozo

[lime crypt]

fuck i didnt want to grief

so i didnt try it

[fickle lotus]

the aoe dmg yeah but not the knock back shit if he's giga close

[lime crypt]

i feel like i got bent over by the oiither rogue

and ive been abused

[balmy condor]

also you're consistently late on your other shiv

[turbid crest]

@lime crypt how do u cast ambush without vanish ?

when ur in fight

[balmy condor]

this is always 10 seconds

[balmy condor]

blindside mate

[limber lion]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[novel star]

shiv for 100% kb coverage even if youre at 7cp right?

[lime crypt]

but tea usage is good, right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[novel star]

kk was 99% sure but asking just cus its the current topic ty

[balmy condor]

uh yeah it's fine

[soft void]

If you are only running one shiv in the mythic+ build, you want to time it to when in has about 7 seconds left right?

[novel star]

8

[lime crypt]

i was thinking of just bunding it onto shiv

[balmy condor]

last 8 of shiv

[novel star]

shiv is 8 so cover the last 8 of kb

[fickle lotus]

This is why I don't post my logs cause I know im gonna get flamed for being a smooth brain carried by gear 😭

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

oF KINGSBANE!!! OF KINGSBANEE!!!

[lime crypt]

XDDDD

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[novel star]

THIS FUCKIN FOOL CALLED KINGSBANE SHIVXD

ohhhh my god he writes the guide even im sick to my stomach rn

[tired gull]

shivbane

[lime crypt]

oh yeah btw

[balmy condor]

my first spelling mistake btw

it's so over

[unique stream]

on icyveins says to maintain rupture on up to 5 targets, I'm assuming its because the 4% agi buff. I remeber read on echo guide something about keep rupture in multiples targets on big pulls could be the most damage output on higher keys because thrash will live enough, i'm not 100% if I understood it correctly. Will this in fact do more damage than Caustic Splash with Evenom's buff?

[fickle lotus]

straight to the gulag

[balmy condor]

yes?

would be strange to recommend something that isn't better

[novel star]

how i have this many alrdy i swear i sent like 10 before war within

addicted to this fucking hellish place

[balmy condor]

masochism at its finest

[novel star]

no it brings me joy sometimes

[balmy condor]

yes

masochism

[novel star]

when i say something and people just understand and they hit the dummy and thank me for it

[spice spire]

Have I reached 200k yet

[novel star]

even though im just saying shit you put in the guide

and parroting it

it still feels good in the head

[balmy condor]

everyone needs a good reading

it's a primal need

like your parents reading you a bed time story

even though you're like 35

[spice spire]

You hitting on me or

[balmy condor]

and can read

[lime crypt]

when it comes to kingsbane timeline

is it better to use shiv before the line

or after

[spice spire]

Yep that’s the LE timeline

[novel star]

could you read the prio list to me while i fall asleep

[balmy condor]

I have no fucking clue I'm gonna be honest just press shiv so you don't have a gap in your shiv

[novel star]

HHAHA

[balmy condor]

why are we using weakauras when shiv is just one after the other ooga booga

[lime crypt]

alright so it doesnt really matter as long as im trying my best to get closest to the line

[balmy condor]

bro

fuck your line

it's 8 seconds + 8 seconds

[lime crypt]

thats my only way to track shiv duration tho

[balmy condor]

[thorn crater]

does shiv pandemic?

[balmy condor]

no

[tired gull]

no

[novel star]

aint no way this weakaura exclusively tracks shiv with that one line

its so small

wtf

[balmy condor]

it used to also track tea and vanish

[novel star]

AINT

[balmy condor]

when we had specific timings for those

[novel star]

yeah fair