assassination

[grim jay]

it does

bcs I play elusiveness

and not cheat

[arctic socket]

Oh

[novel star]

based

[arctic socket]

Yeah but the dot is ticking us for 1.8m+

It’s crazy

[willow cloud]

It was super inconsistent for me. There definitely appeared to be a delay where you really had to wait till cast was close to some for blind to hit more than one, and even then it was inconsistent.

[arctic socket]

And cloak / evasion won’t do anything

Against it

[orchid wind]

we playin cheat death or elusive on keys ?

[quartz cloak]

The healer needs to be well geared to heal that dot long enough i guess

[arctic socket]

Healer overall was healing for 1.4m hps

[cinder geode]

cheat against semi random/unpredictable damage elusiveness for telegraphed high damage

[arctic socket]

On the boss

[grim jay]

idk with deathstalker and elusiveness you got feint dr

cloak dr

[quartz cloak]

We managed to kill third boss on 7 with BL but were dying without cause not killing fast enough

[grim jay]

and evasion dr

[arctic socket]

I guess our damage was too low then

[cinder geode]

how are u guys finding outlaw vs sin in keys, ive been playing mostly outlaw and pumping but i want to play sin as well

[arctic socket]

Because we would spear it etc then just fall over to the dot

[novel star]

i’m only playing sin because i’m based

[rain mortar]

!embelishment

[novel star]

(outlaw is probably fine idk)

[cinder geode]

outlaw is very good, is sin also good ?

[novel star]

yes

[quartz cloak]

It’s prob either healing output or healing profile not fitting the dot, or not killing fast enough. I think we killed him in 2 phases, 3 we were dead

[novel star]

based on beta testing sin was the best m+ spec

for us

[tepid iron]

hello. anyone have the macro from Whispyr

[novel star]

now it’s probably the same story

[subtle tundra]

idk man

[novel star]

which one

[tepid iron]

sorry weakaura

[subtle tundra]

outlaw is pretty good

[arctic socket]

Was the only dungeon we struggled with

[subtle tundra]

just people flock to whatever people say is best

[novel star]

never said outlaw isn’t good

[quartz cloak]

We couldn’t manage skarmorak in stone vault on 7

[subtle tundra]

i actually cant get my full burst off every time

in +8 +9

[novel star]

that surprises me

[eager tree]

the frontal from the big add on siege of boralus first boss is aimed at a random target right?

[arctic socket]

City of threads first boss also kinda SMACKED well the pool on the ground

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt to me im not playing with bots

[novel star]

i’ve been having shit live dm kb in like 5s

yeah true

group dependent asf

[subtle tundra]

if my hunter uses cds its gg

[eager tree]

twice now ive been hooked by the boss and pulled through a frontal which killed me

jw if i can avoid that

[quartz cloak]

I bet they will adjust some stuff based on todays testing 😂

[arctic socket]

I hope so

Oh what the last boss on siege

The water debuff is crazy

[subtle tundra]

eh

its manageable

theres plenty of other shit thats worse

not saying it shouldnt, but its not on my prio of wishes

i think 2nd boss is worse than last

[spice spire]

I can see it

Second boss seems fucky. Last boss is just a coordination nightmare

But if you have gamers

It’s nbd

[subtle tundra]

yea thats also true

[void pecan]

Other rogue in my guild got the queen trinket yesterday and it was doing 6 to 10 % of his damage 😦 Didn't realize it was so strong.

[subtle tundra]

if its peoples first time, last boss is harder than 2nd

[spice spire]

Yeah. Even if they weren’t hyper familiar the first time around

Like I think I ran siege like

[novel star]

Yeh

[spice spire]

3 times before this season

[novel star]

very strong item

[snow harness]

How does one go about getting a free crest and crafting gear?

[spice spire]

Story

[kind falcon]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grave osprey]

Feelin pretty unlucky

[void pecan]

Say a prayer to loot gods

[fallen arch]

U canget slice and dice up

But thats about it

[kind falcon]

pray that the tank lets you restealth

[grave osprey]

Not like outlaw where you have to pop your entire CD roster before the pull

[novel star]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[novel star]

time to send the command again!

[subtle tundra]

maybe get dn up

before key

idk

[spice spire]

What’s dn?

[void pecan]

It just feels good to restealth okay?

[grave osprey]

Darkest night?

[novel star]

fair

[spice spire]

No it’s actually deez nuts

(I’m sorry)

[grave osprey]

🤣😂

I love you

[spice spire]

I’ve grown rather fond of you as well

[eager tree]

so airborne irritant just doesn't work on affix

[grave osprey]

I think it does?

[novel star]

it sometimes does and i don’t know why

[eager tree]

idk either, didnt work once on siege i just did, only worked on the targeted mob

[spice spire]

You have to apply to a mob

For it to work

[kind falcon]

its the enemies near you I believe. but maybe I'm wrong?

[spice spire]

Otherwise just hirs one

[eager tree]

yes i am

a orb in the middle of the pack

[grave osprey]

Need to be closer

[novel star]

you blind a real mob and it cleaves to the orbs properly i think

but blinding an orb doesn’t

[eager tree]

oh ive been targeting orbs

[subtle tundra]

quake is right. needs to be used on a dungeon mob

[novel star]

sum like that

[eager tree]

thats lame

[grave osprey]

Ez

[novel star]

probably will be changed

hopefully

[subtle tundra]

its dogshit

[novel star]

yep

[grave osprey]

Or you could just shamelessly pad on them. Your choice

[novel star]

fok stocks

[grave osprey]

Clear the witness on dat thang

I take it the bleed build is probably the go-to in lower keys when things basically insta die?

[novel star]

depends on your group i guess

i get hella caustic kb value so hybrid is easy best but i play with pug dps usually so

[grave osprey]

Ah, i have a guild group with solid dps, so there isnt much ramp. My dmg is still good but everything dies after the 3rd tick of KB

[subtle tundra]

yea

[novel star]

if things can’t live ur kb then yea it’s bad

🩸

[grave osprey]

Bleed build it is

[gentle crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

st is already dogshit

not going even more dog

[tired gull]

i just always use hybrid cause at low keys it doesn't really even matter much

[grave osprey]

Is bleed ST really bad?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[grave osprey]

Ugh.

[novel star]

sin st is always bad rn

but yeah

[subtle tundra]

yea and making it worse is not the play

[novel star]

[grave osprey]

I feel like ST with the hybrid is pretty good tbh

[novel star]

it’s okay

we are very average

below average even

[rugged sphinx]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[subtle tundra]

depends on the specs you play with

[novel star]

^

[subtle tundra]

if you play with the hero specs you look like bottom tier spec

[grave osprey]

Yeah, idk if i can give up ST for more AoE, but ill try it out anyways. I love me some variety

[novel star]

probably not especially on tyran with some of the bastard bosses this szn

[gentle crown]

do we run deadly or instant poision in addition to amplify ?

[tired gull]

i feel like in keys where you're making that decision, it doesn't really even matter because things are already dying fast, how much value is there in switching to bleed build

[novel star]

deadly always

[scarlet wyvern]

what are the BIS daggers for assa atm? from Nexus or crafted?

[novel star]

never instant

deadly poison does the same damage as instant poison

and also a dot on top

[tired gull]

the only time you would ever run instant is if you took DTB but not amp for some reason, so never

[zealous wolf]

wtf this thing sims more than the sac for me

[grave osprey]

Thicc

[scarlet wyvern]

.

[spice surge]

The highest ilvl you can get

[scarlet wyvern]

aight

[novel star]

yea it’s pretty good

[zealous wolf]

solid

[novel star]

just likely falls off later cus no myth track

[tired gull]

and it can affect a friend! so even more raid/party value!!!!

(support rogue)

[novel star]

yipee

[zealous wolf]

i did grim like 8 times today on m+

[shy dust]

that fucks raid fps

[zealous wolf]

didnt see one trinket drop 🙂

[proud trench]

rogues when they encounter a discipline priest

[snow harness]

!spec

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[ashen rover]

[jaunty lake]

Good shit

[tired gull]

wtb big juicer ilvl pieces

[spice spire]

I’ll give you a big juicer big dog

[tired gull]

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

Ilvl check LE

[tired gull]

605 /yawn

[slate crown]

I don't know

I think like 598?

Rogue is my main but lots of time I could be doing things for gear I'm in town

[vestal ravine]

hey icy veins says crit/mastery and wowhead says mastery/crit for stats o_O

whats prio:?

[tired gull]

sim it

we like all stats

[orchid wind]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[slate crown]

Puttin in some work

[vestal ravine]

ight

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Raid check

Get that bread tho dog fr

[thorn fjord]

My man’s playing the capitalist simulator

[slate crown]

Don't have a raid

[tired gull]

i'm a 1/8 heroic gamer 😎

[slate crown]

well

@shy pecan helpin me out

but just casual

[past forum]

I love how I’m barely doing more damage on my rogue rn than on my veng dh

[tall jay]

It’s been a hot minute, but we want to open our vault in sin or sub correct

[vocal minnow]

jesus that arsenal trinket from raid so so fucking bad

[spice spire]

Good don’t sleep through the next one

Ed is a king

[slate crown]

I was in the last one!

Where were you?

[thorn fjord]

Ed is a real one

[spice spire]

I’m not raiding with them

I’m just helping if the days work better for people

I raid tn

[uneven plume]

whats the individual food called?

[thorn fjord]

What days are they raiding?

[spice spire]

Also hyper casual

[spice spire]

Tuesday/Saturday two different teams

[thorn fjord]

Oof sat raids are rough

I tried getting Ed to join my group but our raid times are toxic too

[spice spire]

He’s doing well

[thorn fjord]

Aotc tomorrow for us

Should be able to get the first two mythic down Sunday

So refreshing to have content again

[thick briar]

is this a channel trinket?

[devout schooner]

Can someone lick me the tricks weak aura/macro pls

[tired gull]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[runic hinge]

I raid on Sundays

[scenic marlin]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grim prawn]

Screw Erudax man

[haughty lantern]

so according to this droptimizer sim, a 606 flayedwing toxin is 0.3% better than a 606 broodsac

my main question is: did trinkets get shifted around/balanced enough for our tier list to change? (my 2 trinkets are a broodsac and a skardyn, both at 606)

OTHERWISE raid last night was a massive success, i got my 2 piece (got helmet out of vault, got gloves from siikran), AND Regicide dropped from nexus princess (I am the only rogue in the raid team)

[tired gull]

grats

[potent barn]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[novel storm]

Guys how good is this for us?

[eager tree]

so CT should be comfortably ahead of garrote in your normal details overview of a dungeon? understand theres some nuance there but multiple people were giving that feedback earlier

[haughty lantern]

THAT SAID since my guild tracks loot and tries to distribute loot extremely evenly, that means if the ring from ansurek drops i am not likely to be eligible to roll on it

[tired gull]

for me, it's 5k dps less than 606 skardyn's and 606 ritual knife

ideally you'd sim it for yourself

[novel star]

sim it

fuck man i should do timewalking huh

[haughty lantern]

so i just re-simmed at 5/8 champ track (to check if my broodsac/skardyn's combo is indeed still strongest even with champ track upgrades) AND FLAYEDWING STILL COMES OUT MARGINALLY ON TOP

i know i am focussing on the minutia here but this shit is one of my adhd obsessions so i am really curious

[arctic socket]

[novel star]

who is saying this and where and why

[tired gull]

we love optimization

[novel star]

what thef uck

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[marble cradle]

can someone explain this toggle on warcraft logs? i have no idea how this works

[novel star]

also damn i only just realized this says df information

[novel star]

shows ilvl parse i believe

like what ur % parse is for people in ur 3 ilvl bracket

[twilit kayak]

hi anyone knows why it shows up when i want to import platers?

[tired gull]

it's plater

can't import to WA

[frigid pilot]

yo why did they nerf step

[twilit kayak]

its this one https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi btw if it matters

[frigid pilot]

u cant step back to mobs on ansurek in the air

[marble cradle]

should i be checking my % best with this enable or not i am not sure cuz difference is like half of the number

[magic shore]

!craft

[haughty lantern]

GRANTED i would love if flayedwing toxin was now s tier for us. I personally love the flavor, it's one more poison to put on our blades.

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[frigid pilot]

we used to do it from the bottom vs sennarth lol

[twilit kayak]

then how do i do it? literally new to wow sorry for bothering

[haughty lantern]

and it's completely passive so i don't have to think about it OR compete with people for broodsac (I assume our 2 bis would be toxin and skardyn's if this is true)

[tired gull]

No worries my friend, just open plater config and import throught here

[tired gull]

i like the flavor of toxin for sin, so i'm all for it

[haughty lantern]

but of course i am just a smol brain, not the horse' mouth by which we learn new sin stuff, so I will wait for Whispyr or one of the community figures to yap about it

[tired gull]

/plater -> Profiles -> Import profile

[novel star]

i dont really know tbh but i think ideally some combination of both

ilvl parse way smaller sample size

[twilit kayak]

thanks ill try it after finishing dung

[tired gull]

in legion i had an ilvl parse on my lock that was grey because one of my cds didn't crit compared to the lock that had r1 during prog

[novel star]

mine makes pretty numbers look not pretty so i dont like it

[quartz locust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

would love to hear about his deepdive

[arctic socket]

I got all of my normal parse to pinks

Was fun

[novel star]

hoping to do that this weekend

[tired gull]

deep dive on how sims are calculated
literally called a sim, short for simulation, literally simulating best case

[novel star]

guild is doing one more normal clear so people can get tier or some shit

gotta lock tf in on parsing

[tired gull]

parse lords unite

[haughty lantern]

this numbnutts may say sims are bait but the results speak for themselves.

It is a simulation, but it's an accurate one. It's not like sims are leading anyone astray.

[novel star]

my ansurek normal parse is still pink

lmao

[rugged sphinx]

if im going to have auth of depths and auth of radiant power, does it matter which ones are on MH or OH?

[arctic socket]

I wanna see what homie says

[haughty lantern]

speaking of parses, SADLY my guild's logger's logging equipment got bricked last night and we only got like 3 accurate fights logged but I scored orange parse on both siikran and rasha'nan so i'm pogging

[loud gull]

does any1 know where to take the quest for the heroic crest ?

[arctic socket]

Today we clear it again I’m buying everything rank 3 and I’m like giga sweating for some 100s

[novel star]

lmfao

gl

[spice spire]

On normals? Ain’t no way

[novel star]

id rather just get aotc the 4/8 looks so ugly and sin tier fucking sucks

i gotta show up to this normal for nothing

[tired gull]

i'll be happy with 90+ we don't kill bosses very fast 🙂

[novel star]

but whatever

🙃

[haughty lantern]

ngl i like this tier

very "ghost in the night" style vibes

[tired gull]

bosses are p good ngl

[quasi steppe]

when are we supposed to upgrade our gear with the carved crests?

[queen egret]

Am i trolling if i upgrade HC dagger from 4/6 hero to 6/6 hero from princess fully by spending 30 gilded ?

[haughty lantern]

Ansurek is FUN. it feels like they took raszageth, toned her down a few notches, but kept the bulk of her mechanics and put it back into a raid

[quartz locust]

weakauras confuse the f out of me sometimes, i was setting is so whispyrs edit only shows when im sin, but when i do that pistol shot shows up on it lol

[novel star]

i havent really raided since nyalotha so i cant comment accurately on boss quality cus i have like honeymoon shit

but i also like the bosses a lot

[haughty lantern]

i mean.....2 good 2ndary stats and main hand is a big chunk of our damage so sounds like a good idea to me at least

solid investment, you ain't going to be replacing it any time soon

[tired gull]

are you going to get mythic dagger anytime soon?

[quartz locust]

got both of these to drop off bbh in a pug, only rogue, auto won one of them and the other went to the xmog roll. luckily the dude that got it didn't grief me lol

[tired gull]

!Up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[strange python]

what we thinking 🤔 (inb4 sim it)

kinda doo doo

[haughty lantern]

tbf i don't think even mythic raiders are getting mythic daggers any time soon. not at least within the next 7 days (short of getting it directly from bbh or princess...)

[uneven plume]

whats the equivalent?

for individual food

[haughty lantern]

step 1, check for tertiary bonuses (leech, avoidance, or a socket)

[strange python]

beledar bounty is easy

[uneven plume]

its secondary stat

there is no primary indiviual food?

[arctic socket]

Yes

[somber nimbus]

question on DM: does it matter if you have CS on your current target with DM mark in aoe, does it only matter that we have it up on any given target in the pack and we have CS on another target?

[strange python]

no sockets chest has +726 avoidance but is champ

[haughty lantern]

well chest can't get sockets

[strange python]

commas are useful :p

i have 593 daggers atm

[haughty lantern]

REALLY what you are aiming for is a socket in helmet, bracers or belt, so that you don't have to spend vault tokens on putting a socket in one of those slots manually

[novel star]

sim it but sac is nice

[strange python]

champ tho

[marble cradle]

dont know didnt see one but u can make 5 of these into hearty or something like that and its effects stay after death so beledar is cheap and u keep after death if u care about this

[haughty lantern]

is that a champ track broodsac?

[strange python]

yh

[haughty lantern]

i would take that in a heartbeat

[proven jasper]

610 dagger is most likely the biggest upgrade then

[novel star]

better than not having it or having it at a lower track

[proven jasper]

but def sim

[haughty lantern]

eliminate having to farm one of our best trinkets

[novel star]

oh you have shit daggres nvm lol

[strange python]

593 daggers yeah

[proven jasper]

yeah its prob dagger/trinket

one of em

[hexed frost]

Keep all bleeds and poisons up on the prio/highest hp target

[proven jasper]

Sim it tho

[strange python]

yh will do

thought I'd ask my fellows first tho

[proven jasper]

ofc

[strange python]

how could you not 😉

[haughty lantern]

ok at this point @strange python i would have a like...inner monologue about short term vs long term reward

do you want/need the immediate upgrade NOW or are you willing to take a higher investment (the reward of not having to farm a champ track eggsac) while suffering with poopy daggers for a little while longer?

[strange python]

is it really that worth i thought they nerfed

[proven jasper]

its decent, i think people overvalue it alot

[fast olive]

ik it depends on dungeon/key level but how much overall are people roughly getting in keys on assa?

[haughty lantern]

this is what i was talking about earlier, idk how much trinkets have shifted, APPARENTLY flayedwing toxin is simming even better now

[languid pawn]

Any word on darkmoon dag/writhing getting nerfed or safe to craft in your opinion?

[sullen phoenix]

So sub is to go over sin in Raid atm? Or they are close?

[haughty lantern]

tldr is still "really strong", just not "stonks" strong

(this is my own personal sim so take it with like a handful of salt)

[cerulean compass]

Hey, quick question about echoing, when I have rupture falling over, can I use blue to make new one ? I saw in guides that I'm supposed to have at least 6 points but is it better to keep it for burst windows ? or cause we use it on cooldown it doesn't really matter ?

[eager tree]

you mean the animacharged points?

[strange python]

its actually goes -0.5% for sac

[cerulean compass]

Yep

[eager tree]

wdym can you use them? yes you can them to reapply rupture at max duration

[haughty lantern]

this is why i say you gotta make the short term vs long term decision

[strange python]

as in sac is not a +dps on my gear rn

not comapred

[haughty lantern]

OH it's a minus

[cerulean compass]

And if I'm close to my window burst, like I can chose to just do one more mutilate and got my 3 animacharged points for my burst windows should I keep it ?

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

[strange python]

crazy

[dapper fractal]

question please! does cloak of shadows only remove magic damge?

[strange python]

can it not sim the eggs?

[haughty lantern]

yes

[dapper fractal]

oki! ty

[strange python]

the dagger is +2.3%

[late surge]

do I even vanish

if I dont have imp har

gar

[haughty lantern]

can't disappear if no one knew you were here to begin with

[cerulean compass]

It was like, if I'm close to my burst window, should I keep animacharged points or just spend it to reload rupture if it's going to fall down

[late surge]

Vanishing like my m+ loot 😦

[eager tree]

i'm not sure what you mean. rupture should always be up and ideally you reapply it before you enter your kb window so you can focus all CPs on envenom

[cerulean compass]

Okay I got my answer then 😄

I'm sorry english is not my first language :c

[balmy vapor]

Has anyone done the sims of not playing with echoing repenand?

[dapper fractal]

so liek if it can be dispelled one me, cloak of shadow can be used? magic wise?

[eager tree]

no worries, just tryna understand your question

[proven jasper]

Yes

[cerulean compass]

You answered so thanks ! 😄

[dapper fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-pepe-clap-clap-pepe-happy-pepe-pepe-happy-gif-20219576

[balmy vapor]

I saw the best assa rogue in the world play with 2x vanish instead of ER

anyone has simmed?

[proven jasper]

One of the reasons rogue is so good for prog

[cerulean compass]

Just depending on tanks, he's playing 2x vanish to avoid tanks pulling over and over nah ?

[eager tree]

i think whispyr has directly addressed that streamer and his take on it, dont remember where. i think it was in his overall m+ sin rogue guide

[haughty lantern]

PROBABLY yes

granted i am still a newbie rogue but i believe if it falls under some sort of magic damage (fire, cold, nature/poison, shadow, holy, etc) but NOT physical damage (like a bleed) regardless of what debuff type it is (magic debuff, poison debuff, curse, etc) i THINK cloak of shadows should remove it

[balmy vapor]

yeah thats the reason, but there are other thing we gain such as 20% more ms in stealth, healing after gaining vanish etc @cerulean compass
and also ER just doesnt feel good to use aswell

so thinking if its like 3% dps loss its worth it but not if its like 6%

[eager tree]

correct, you can also use cloak to ignore magic mechanics so you can stand in a magic damage swirly or not run out on a magic pull in. think last boss of algethar, you could just sit in her pullin with cloak

[haughty lantern]

that said, i don't think you can use it for some raid mechanics

like on silken court, when we need to stand near caster boss and get dispelled to interrupt her wipe mechanic, me using cloak to get rid of my debuff did not count as a successful dispel for the mechanic (we wiped that pull)

[eager tree]

i feel like ER feels great to use, more envenoms during kb

[novel star]

yes it has been simmed and yes it is bad

[patent valley]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[haughty lantern]

where is my spongebob guy with drink emoji....

[scenic marlin]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

look in the pins if you want to see the sims

without a trace fucking blows

[haughty lantern]

it's what happens to your dps if you take it

it disappears without a trace

[eager tree]

i cant get my CT damage ahead of garrote in these keys. in a new pack i garrote->garrote->rupture->CT with refunded CPs from SBS then rupture any remaining. is that wrong?

[haughty lantern]

(also plz help i'm fucking dumb, what does CT stand for? crimson tempest?)

[soft void]

Crafts are still worth the money since we can use crests to keep the ilvl relevant right?

[late surge]

yes

[eager tree]

yes

[haughty lantern]

yes, not to mention you can get like....i think 5 free "heroic tier enchanted crests" for free

one from doing the story mode version of killing ansurek and 4 more, one each from hitting like rank 23 with a rep

it's why i'm bum rushing council of dornogal rep

[subtle field]

does spatter aoe go off from the target, or from me

[soft void]

Ty

[haughty lantern]

free ilvl upgrade without having to expend my quota of crests

[subtle field]

positioning wise

[haughty lantern]

the target

[subtle field]

aight ty!

[west pilot]

Does our opener change up any with the tier bonuses?
Trying to lock down why I'm pulling less dps than I'm simming, 730k only parsing blue in heroic o.e

[haughty lantern]

nope

[strange python]

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[haughty lantern]

tier set just does more dmg

[west pilot]

That's what I figured, and I'm pooling energy for envenom stacking so not sure why I'm not pumping past what I've been, is it the RNG of alchemical chaos flask/pot?

[haughty lantern]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/story-mode-nerub-ar-palace-now-available-requires-completion-of-1st-chapter-of-346718

for those wondering, free enchanted....runed? crest from story mode ansurek quest chain

whatever the heroic track crests are

[strange python]

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[cobalt sphinx]

it is but it is mad expensive yo

[strange python]

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[marble cradle]

it dropped in price tho but still expensive

[crimson crest]

Does mad queen's mandate not sim properly, or is it normal for it to sim so low?

[strange python]

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[haughty lantern]

no, afaik you use 1 whetstone and 1 wax

(sorry i didn't respond before, i didn't know if those weapon buffs were still correct)

[novel star]

dont bother with wax rn its quite buggy

and whetstones are way too expensive

[manic matrix]

you nerf yourself in logs with wax ?

[novel star]

you can buy algari mana oil instead for like -0.4%dmg

[haughty lantern]

everything is buggy, we're fighting nerubians

[strange python]

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[undone eagle]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

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[haughty lantern]

and yet somehow i'm still on the top of my raid's dps meters

[haughty lantern]

afaik you can only put 1 on 1. they are mutually exclusive.

[west pilot]

What are you pullin on average?

[haughty lantern]

depends on the fight.

point is i'm on top

[tired gull]

i also top my raid 😎

[haughty lantern]

(i would give you actual numbers but sadly my raid team's logger's logging equipment bugged out last night)

[spice spire]

You wouldn’t bottom a raid

[west pilot]

So weird that we're a middle of the pack dps so close to the top o.e

[tired gull]

i would if you were in my raid

[tardy terrace]

so why are wrists recommended for wirithing armor banding
is there a difference between wrists and belt?

[marble cradle]

anyone have some spare time to help with my log to understand what i can improve?

[strange python]

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[spice spire]

Dog?

[spice spire]

Sure

[marble cradle]

u need to steal from kobolds but u need to do a quest first

[spice spire]

You can’t buy it

[fluid pumice]

no tier from vault or normal/heroic raid. i'm going to kms

[marble cradle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cQ3XPqFVC7ABj9NG#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=6
thanks

[clear nexus]

nice twink mog

[hollow berry]

Hi, i decided to reroll to Rogue after maining healer for the last few expansions. I learned the rotation and the opening, i top mythics but struggle during raids. I’m suspecting that I’m spamming mutilates and envenoms too much before envenom is close to expire, which makes me starve for energy. Any clue on what to look for?

[novel star]

sin tier is ass its fine

[long hinge]

!specs

[crimson crest]

Is there any info about this?

[fluid pumice]

Thanks

[spice spire]

@slate crown or @normal mist

Thread me pls

[proven jasper]

Think theres a custom apl you need to use with it

[haughty lantern]

here's what i got from last night:

• Ulgrax, pure ST: 585k, 5th place (lost to 4 ranged dps)
• Siikran, pure ST: 830k, 2nd place (lost to BM hunter friend/rival)
• Rasha'nan, St + Spatter: 923k, 1st place, 97 parse (very proud of this one)

[crimson crest]

Where can I find that apl?

[slate crown]

Nesscainarea Log Review

[floral herald]

Guys, the rare neck is good ? I will not raid mythic and more focus on mm+

[haughty lantern]

i mean.....it's good stats, higher ilvl with a cantrip. it's certainly bis. but this is why you sim yourself...

[clear nexus]

nice, when i raid i have 30 fps so i cant even parse 70

barely 30, i dont really keep track

[haughty lantern]

yeeeaaaaaah. last week when we pulled ulgrax my fps tanked and fubar'd my opener. I was at the bottom of the dps list despite being the highest ilvl

[floral herald]

As i just come to game now, and have only play 1 week due to holiday, my stuff is like middle mm0, middle blue, so sim with my atm stat, i not sure to get a correct result 😅

[arctic socket]

The urge to punt a puffer fish like a kickball

[haughty lantern]

KICK THE BABY

[clear nexus]

the urge to huff a puffer fish as a dolphin

[crude sequoia]

see a boss, run him over

see his baby, kick the stroller

[haughty lantern]

ok so if you're just starting off, why are you aiming for the pinnacle BiS if you (no offense) are so far off from getting it and likely never will get it? set your sights on something attainable and just go for upgrades

[keen pumice]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[undone eagle]

Can someone link me the weak aura for !keys please? :nvm got it

[haughty lantern]

jump for reasonable "hand holds". don't try to go from level 80 questing blues to mythic raid gear. it never works that way.

[balmy vapor]

Can someone help me understand when to use fan of knives at 2 targets or 3 targets, people say it depends

[crimson crest]

Does anyone know where the custom apl is for mad queen's mandate?

[frigid pilot]

why did madqueen make it to the bis list

intead of the passive trinkets

[cobalt sphinx]

because that shit hits for 10 mil

[crude sequoia]

i think it’s when the thing highlights.

• source: 21.2 parser

[haughty lantern]

i feel like it made it to the bis list for the same reason torch did in DF. just big fuck off damage trinket that has a way to reset/shorten it's CD

[floral herald]

I get it in vault, that’s the point 😂😅, but never like to take no primary stat stuff in the past.. why i ask about is it the bis mm+ overall without discussion

[soft void]

Concoction: Kiss of Death is simming higher for me than Sac because it's one track above the Sac. Does that sound right?

[haughty lantern]

probably. a 619 trinket will likely do more numbers than a 606 trinket

[novel star]

default 3 targets, 2 targets on m+ talent deathstalker

[bronze rain]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frigid pilot]

what the sin boys doing, ascension/nerub or dbl focus lense

[haughty lantern]

but a 606 skardyn's likely sims better than a 606 kiss of death, regardless of track level

[orchid wind]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[haughty lantern]

hey @silk bane you're the sim guy i talked to like last week or something, right?

[clear nexus]

everybody here is a sim guy

[haughty lantern]

last i checked armin is THE sim guy

[silk bane]

idk, theres many people here doing that

i help with sub mostly

sin is mostly whispyr and eleem

sub is eleem, fuu, and i

[frigid pilot]

whats the easiest way to sim all embelished crafted shit? gearcompare or is there some hidden droptimizer im missing

[spice spire]

He’s also a foot guy

But I guess that goes with sub territory

[haughty lantern]

ah gotcha. Sorry to beat the paste that used to be the dead horse, but do we have any like.....any more insight of how trinkets have been shifted?

long story short, sims show flayedwing toxin simming better than skardyns (altho they are definitely close) so i am just wondering if you have any like......insights about it

[crimson crest]

So is there no way to properly sim queen's mandate?

[silk bane]

go to #tc-research , theres a file there including all crafted items. do a /simc copy it in top gear, paste the file from #tc-research under it and sim all combinations u want

[haughty lantern]

tbh i usually use gear compare and input it all manually

[frigid pilot]

it has embelishes too?

[silk bane]

should

[spice spire]

What are your current trinkets

They’re both showing in different spots (trinket 1/trinket 2)

[haughty lantern]

606 broodsac and 606 skardyn's, both vet track 8/8

[spice spire]

Wait

So you already have a skardyns

That’s just comparing the flayed wing toxin to the sac

And the skardyns ilvl upgrade

[haughty lantern]

i have a 606 skardyns. I am simming what 8/8 champ tracks i should be chasing

[spice spire]

You can’t have double skardyns

[haughty lantern]

not with that attitude /s

[spice spire]

So it’s just saying if you replaced a 606 sac with the 619 flayedwing

That’s the increase

[cobalt sphinx]

it says trinket 1 and trinket 2

[spice spire]

And the 606 skardyns with a 619

That’s the increase

That’s why it’s so close

[haughty lantern]

ohhhhhhhhh i see the problem then

[spice spire]

Because you already have the item

[clear nexus]

how do i get anenchanted runed harbinger crest

[thorn fjord]

Sac

[clear nexus]

and are enchanted gilded crests available

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/shirley-temple-giggle-laugh-tee-hee-little-girl-gif-17062179

[frosty shard]

hey you guys went for dagger embelish, crit or vers ?

[subtle tundra]

kush was queuing for grim batols

assa rwf better cumfirmed

[onyx zodiac]

proly a dumb question but is crimson tempest worth running on st with 2p or 4p

[spice spire]

Isn’t mastery good for sub too (idk sub at all)

[spice spire]

No

[subtle tundra]

sub has 1.5min cds

it plays raid trinket

[marsh dragon]

is there a way to stop the maze from mists breaking stealth?

[haughty lantern]

free enchanted runed harbinger crest from doing the questline for killing ansurek in story mode raid

[little valley]

its soo anoying...

[spice spire]

Not until it’s fixed

[thorn fjord]

Yuh

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

play subterfuge

[thorn fjord]

Cap

[haughty lantern]

i think this sim better shows my question

is flayedwing now "better" (or at least a lot more competitive) with sac?

am really just supremely curious about how much each of the trinkets got buffed/nerfd

[marsh dragon]

crazy how its not fixed yet

[haughty lantern]

so of course Skardyn's is the big kicker trinket we all want

[thorn fjord]

I’d rather they fix DN mark stuff first

[subtle tundra]

im pretty sure i wasnt getting broken back in sl

[proven jasper]

I don’t remember it ever happening in sl

[subtle tundra]

and subterfuge was the reason

[thorn fjord]

Mist wasn’t in bfa

[little valley]

So - casting Blind agains an affix orb only clears 1 Orb and doesn't spread ist

Casting it agains an enemy will clear all orbs near it

Bug - right?

Is it gonna get fixed?

[subtle tundra]

It says sl idk what you mean

[marsh dragon]

it feels like DN is so broken,

[spice spire]

It’s competitive but easy to forget about

[thorn fjord]

Lolol

[subtle tundra]

need to use on a dungeon mob

not orb

[cobalt sphinx]

its the same fucking thing bro

0.1%

[spice spire]

Yeah

But if you’re chasing

You can go nw or ara kara

[little valley]

yeah but obviously its not supposed to be like that right

[spice spire]

Instead of just one

Makes sense

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-dragon-guitar-bipbop-gif-26578220

[cobalt sphinx]

do dslice and multitarget sims and see if flayedwing scales up in aoe

[haughty lantern]

well I am at least happy about that b/c from a like......flavor perspective, flayedwing is OUR trinket (it's 1 more toxin on our blades) so I would gladly chase that instead of chasing the egg like everyone else

[cobalt sphinx]

if it doesn't then skip it

these are patchwerk single target sims for a single target ppm trinket, no?

do multitarget

[clear nexus]

where do i get the quest

[haughty lantern]

ok, showing my shitter here, how do.....how do i sim that

[haughty lantern]

TBH i have no idea. i am just showing you the "thread" exists. go down the rabbit hole.

[haughty lantern]

i know how to sim dungeon slice

do i have to click anything else

[cinder bone]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Flayed wing isnt PPM.but ye ig for sack

[cobalt sphinx]

no i think it overrides the fight length and target count for you

[iron valve]

from a spider near the big hole in dorn

[haughty lantern]

gotcha. well here we go

[clear nexus]

ty

[spice spire]

That’s correct it’s just ds and go

[haughty lantern]

(i know how to interpret the numbers but i have not played around with different kinds of sims NEARLY enough. I stay with what i know )

[hexed frost]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[haughty lantern]

!down

darn

[left sundial]

!miscs

[normal mist]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

one of those

[round nexus]

!list

[left sundial]

what was food simc

command

[round nexus]

Rip

[normal mist]

There isnt afaik

[broken lantern]

is Seal of the Poisoned Pact scaling with our mastery? :3

[round nexus]

Make a command with a list of commands

[normal mist]

im 99% sure it isnt

[thorn fjord]

Think they kicked around that idea

[haughty lantern]

hi royal

[normal mist]

Yo

[broken lantern]

thankies ❤️

[haughty lantern]

@cobalt sphinx @spice spire this is the dslice breakdown

[hexed frost]

Bruh I observed sometimes my deathstalker marks aren't getting consumed at 5-6 CPs, only when I do a 7 CP envenom it gets consumed.

What new sorcery is this?

[normal mist]

you sure it isnt the DN buff?

[spice spire]

It does not

I know you got the 99

But I’m the 1% ya feel

[spice spire]

What’s dn?

[normal mist]

i feel

dunking nutella

[spice spire]

Oh okay sick

[spice spire]

That tracks

[balmy vapor]

Do you guys think playing 2x vanish etc is good or not?

[quaint knoll]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[subtle tundra]

is bad

[haughty lantern]

[normal mist]

In theory is bad but people think it feels good to have 1/2 extra vanishes so go wild

[haughty lantern]

[cobalt sphinx]

there you have it, stats beat flat damage on aoe

[haughty lantern]

makes sense

TRULY was just trying to sate my curiosity on why the toxin was doing such numbers. thank you for accompanying me on this math journey mike and quake

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

We got a update

[weak rose]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[brave crater]

hey everyone, i got "shard of azzinoth" from the chest which is "hero 1" gear. i simmed it with my other daggers, it seems it got really good damage but overall, is shard of azzinoth worth to use? because it has no secondary stats but a skill its own.

[arctic socket]

Sims are bad guys heard it here

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[small wagon]

quick lazy question, haste on assa, is there a cap or something?

[haughty lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[silk spoke]

ui!

[plush bronze]

mans stoked about that command

[arctic socket]

Nope

[small wagon]

happy to hear

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[haughty lantern]

YOU WHAT

[arctic socket]

You don’t have that many?

[spice spire]

I mean he has somewhat of a point.
There are many “gains” found that are technical gains that no one will ever do.
Like sending CT at exact pandemic 3.4s it any lower or higher it’s a loss type of deal

I also have none and I’m DM’d

A lot

[arctic socket]

I’m asking his take on bis lists

[tired gull]

love radiant cache or whatever it's calle

[spice spire]

Also right about trinket logic

[arctic socket]

Will update

[haughty lantern]

ok but i feel like this just translates to "sims are bad for people with negative braincells"

LIKE IF YOU HAVE ANY AMOUNT OF AWARENESS you can realize some trinkets have pitfalls or are bait

[arctic socket]

That top sentence

So real

[haughty lantern]

but trinkets aside sims are perfectly fine. it's just numbers.

[spice spire]

I mean yeah but you could also play well and like do it.
But that’s not always conducive even to the top players

[hexed frost]

No the wa is clearly showing i have 3 stacks

[haughty lantern]

this is why (at least in my own observations) 98% of gear conversations here are about trinkets

[spice spire]

Sims are and have always been a tool to measure performance

Dungeon slice is perfectly emblematic of this

[arctic socket]

Just like

Don’t sim

[spice spire]

It will never reflect a real event of 50%aoe/25%cleave/25% st because that’s not what dungeons are

[arctic socket]

Use highest ilvl shit

Win

(It’s kinda how it is anyways)

[spice spire]

But you should sim to determine gains

To be safe

[haughty lantern]

reject addons, sims and gear lists

EMBRACE VANILLA ILVL

[spice spire]

Because that’s what the tool is for

[runic hinge]

Real

[spice spire]

Man said reject technology return to monke

[arctic socket]

How much dps does tmog give?

[haughty lantern]

i use sims to save myself time

so i know what is my priority to chase.

Know that I should spam Grim Butthole until I get a champ/hero track skardyn's

[haughty lantern]

0 dps, but 1000% cpps (cool points per second)

[arctic socket]

Don’t waste your time with spyglass

[spice spire]

You should be chasing some bitches tho

[arctic socket]

Doodoo trinket

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-what-the-hell-gif-21811925

[arctic socket]

I don’t understand how spyglass 10 points ahead sims lower

[haughty lantern]

somebody call the burn unit

[arctic socket]

Over a fayeiwnd

[haughty lantern]

i spy

with my little trinket

a dps loss

[arctic socket]

Yeah makes me Sadge

[haughty lantern]

(almost a haiku)

[arctic socket]

I use spyglass for ego dps gain

[haughty lantern]

i'm an engineering student. Engineering paychecks are like cat nip to bitches

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s me I’m bitches what’s good dog

[arctic socket]

So real

[spice spire]

(Depends on the type of engineering)

[haughty lantern]

sorry, dog applications are currently closed, position is already taken

[spice spire]

Damn

[arctic socket]

Quake got rejected

Damn

[arctic socket]

That’s new

[spice spire]

Can’t blame you: I love her

[arctic socket]

Acceptable reason to be rejected

Look at em

[spice spire]

She’s so cute

[haughty lantern]

she has us (me, my family of me brother mom and dad) wrapped around her paw

she gets exactly what she wants like 99% of the time

[arctic socket]

(Bro got that 3 pillow combo)

[spice spire]

Also #1146207476983812117

[haughty lantern]

sorry, dog pick was on-topic here

[spice spire]

No it was

Very much

[haughty lantern]

👍

[spice spire]

I’m telling you to post more pics

This is a threat

[arctic socket]

This channel is on topic for everything

[spice spire]

It is not

There are certain dogs not allowed here!

As you know

[haughty lantern]

this was taken like 10 minutes prior (this is my brother's bed, room next door)

[crimson crest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Hb8TmFVeftq1jg7qdT5G7 Is this sim accurate?

[normal mist]

why 3min?

[haughty lantern]

she has FOMM (fear of missing mom)

when mom leaves to go to work, she gets very sadge and pouts like this.

[spice spire]

Dungeon slice 3m is a bit odd but sure

[crimson crest]

ehh prob a mistake

[solid venture]

well well well... guess who's going outlaw ( ahh hell no)

[hallow plaza]

guys is there a soft cap for haste as assasination rogue

[haughty lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[eternal wave]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[spice spire]

No

[hallow plaza]

haha thanks

[subtle field]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[haughty lantern]

i feel like the poison pact ring from ansurek is like.....our equivalent to fyr'alath for plateys in DF

like once we get one, it is WORTH investing in, b/c it won't come off short of an ilvl upgrade of the exact same thing

and investing in jewelery is much more expensive rn b/c you have

• 2x sockets
• 2x gems for those sockets
• very expensive enchant

[subtle tundra]

its worth the same on every person

idk what you mean

[haughty lantern]

how much are the jewelery socket doohickeys going for on your guys realms? last i checked on thrall they were 13k a piece.

[haughty lantern]

we do more nature damage, so in theory we get more procs of the ring compared to other classes, even if the nature/"poison" damage doesn't scale with our mastery

or am i just huffing copium at this point?

[azure arrow]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Power Infusion), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[limber lion]

You can't change the duration of a dslice

It's 6 minutes

The discord embed is just wrong

[limber lion]

Same to you

:')

[spice spire]

You think I read?

[crimson crest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hxR9di9FL2Fbc8DQPMm8YX It still seems off

[haughty lantern]

you think rogues can read? most thieves can't

[spice spire]

Why does it seem off

[crimson crest]

shouldnt mandate be way better than twin fang?

[quasi steppe]

you guys waiting with picking gear in vault for using your catalyst upgrade if you get a tier item in the raid?

[tired gull]

i didn't have any tier or high ilvl in vault 😦

[azure arrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[haughty lantern]

i sorta went the other way around (unfortunately)

my vault was mid as hell, so i took a tier helmet (since i knew it was the last tier item in the raid from a boss my guild is still KIND of progging on)

and i got tier gloves from siikran

[quasi steppe]

https://gyazo.com/c064f64095b9f27ec2d034b40fadc0a1 https://gyazo.com/d01a26aefb03b451f5fdabc34b0fe366

[marble cradle]

thats the logical way but tier set not a big upgrade so if u see something decent just grab it maybe

[quasi steppe]

what you guys think i should go for

[glad hedge]

Guys, do you know if the 2P is also increasing the dmg of Kingsbane ? I guess it does, but just wanna be sure

[quasi steppe]

got tier gloves right now but havent done the raid yet and i have my upgrade left

[crimson crest]

It just feels like mandate should be doing a lot more dmg than twin fang instruments but idk. I guess the main stat on instruments just makes it pull ahead?

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[velvet ridge]

can we bubble wax both waepons yet?

[haughty lantern]

we always could

[wide dome]

Waiting to get aotc tonight to determine what to take

[haughty lantern]

no idea if it's functioning optimally yet

[spice spire]

The ST on use trinket vs the 3 use aoe trinket on use in dungeon slice

[crimson crest]

oh yeah i didnt think of that

[thick forum]

whats the general consensus on transmitter? guildie just traded me an lfr version of it

[haughty lantern]

use it to get a toy, then replace

[thick forum]

aight, cheers

[jade crescent]

Gamers, is Scroll of Momentum just sim bait for M+? I picked up some decent trinkets but this damn Scroll of Momentum just slaps in comparison. Raidbot report: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cqB8LogNZHGKp3oLfp92MK

[marble cradle]

u need to use ur sprint to get that much increase but its ur only speed and movement so its kinda bait

[haughty lantern]

certain trinkets are sim bait. Like Transmitter and probably scroll of momentum in this case, it will always sim as if the trinket is working optimally at all times, when in reality even the best sin rogues would at the very best be annoyed by using it at that level, if not outright losing dps trying to use these trinkets

[cobalt sphinx]

it doesn't need sprint

its just passive damage

[spice spire]

It’s whatever

It’s only like 3k above the next

[marble cradle]

afaik sims uses sprint for that trinket thats what i heard before

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah for an extra 400 dps

[thin furnace]

Is there any diference between crafting wrist/belt or belt/boots?

[jade crescent]

Yeah in this report it is just +3k dps so it's not as bad. It was significantly higher before.

[cobalt sphinx]

400 dps is .03% damage

[haughty lantern]

suggestion is bracers and belt b/c if/when your vault eventually screws you over, you can put a socket into a crafted piece which is far more permanent than putting a socket into a random drop piece which might get upgraded for ilvl

[crimson crest]

Yeah its a 21% upgrade in patchwerk lol it makes sense now, thanks for the help^^

[haughty lantern]

but if you socket a crafted piece, that piece keeps the socket through recrafting upgrades and only loses the socket when you upgrade the piece to the next "tier" level when the next season comes out (at which point you will need to re-socket it)

[jade crescent]

I appreciate the help as usual Ravenholdt gamers o7

[lunar marsh]

Is there a good way for us to do affix?

[jade crescent]

Yeah, play with a shaman :^)

AOE Blind works

[lunar marsh]

Haha, when i tried aoe blind only worked on one orb..

[haughty lantern]

isn't seal of the poison pact a higher tier item? like even at champ track it should have higher ilvl?

[jade crescent]

I could have just been overlapping with my shaman pal tbh

[chrome hatch]

Does bubbling wax stop working if you die?

[marble cradle]

it works when u use on a mob but doesnt on orbs probably bug?

[haughty flicker]

it just drops at a higher ilvl in the track, it doesnt go higher than normal

[upbeat gust]

Yeah works again if you re-equip the dagger with it

[haughty lantern]

does it?? i coulda swore it was like narthalex or fyr'alath, had a higher base track than equivalent track items....

[haughty flicker]

it does not

[chrome hatch]

Thank you

[lunar marsh]

seems like it, i felt it worked as intented one time.

[haughty lantern]

i'm madge tho

our raid leader (havoc dh) got the ring out of his TWing box from the weekly. what are the fuckin odds

[tired gull]

good news gentlemen, i'm typically within 0.5% of my target dummy sims over 6 minutes

[lunar marsh]

heh, i did the same 🥲

[haughty lantern]

SPEAKING of TWing, is there any way (short of just doing a straight up gear compare with ilvl) of simming black temple stuff?

[haughty lantern]

WELL i've been known to be wrong before....

[marble cradle]

i was pretty lucky got a socket on my crafted wrist ...

[haughty lantern]

huh??? how

[lunar marsh]

KEKW well my vault was not really that good

[haughty lantern]

or are you saying you took tokens b/c your vault was shit

[marble cradle]

gave me the same pieces i have as tier set and rest was bad

[haughty lantern]

if so my condolences

[spice spire]

Think that was a sarcasm bit

[haughty lantern]

yeeeeaaaaaah i am more dense than a brick wall

[spice spire]

And yet I’m more bricked than a dense wall

[haughty lantern]

[lunar marsh]

So are people actually getting drops from raids?

[spice spire]

Ya feel

Yes

[haughty lantern]

yes?

is that....not how raid works???

[marble cradle]

raid drops stuff?

[lunar marsh]

2 full normal runs and 4 hc bosses, gotten ONE item

[haughty lantern]

GRANTED i nothing dropped that i could use last week but this week i got stuff

[arctic socket]

Roll better

Swipe the card ( tokens ) and buy gear

I don’t want gear anymore

[haughty lantern]

still haven't gotten a delve map

[spice spire]

🐳

[arctic socket]

Gimmie flightstones

[lunar marsh]

i can take your gear 😄

[haughty lantern]

just sell beledar and mole mounts guys

[arctic socket]

What’s your ilvl?

[haughty lantern]

it still drops after you get it and learn it

[lunar marsh]

im 605

[haughty lantern]

i've made 630k selling 2 moles

[arctic socket]

You’re higher ilvl then I am

So you give me gear

Majority of my gear is heroic, I just don’t have valorstones to upgrade

[lunar marsh]

well, lets not hope you want raid gear

[arctic socket]

I mean

There isn’t much raid gear we need

[spice spire]

Ring and neck

Tier

[haughty lantern]

tier and the ring from ansurek (neck from siikran and cloak from rasha'nan if you're spicy)

everything else gets sourced from m+

[marble cradle]

weapon?

[haughty lantern]

nah

weapons can come from m+

[spice spire]

Mythic or m+ weapon

Nothing super special tho

[haughty lantern]

there is no spicy weapon from raid. they are just stat sticks

unless you're outlaw*

but we ain't pirates here

[slate crown]

who?

[haughty lantern]

yeah exactly

[spice spire]

I asked

[haughty lantern]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/heroic-nerub-ar-palace-dps-rankings-end-of-heroic-week-queen-ansurek-balance-346714

so of course we take these reports with like 2 fistfulls of salt but is outlaw truly cranking THAT hard???

[waxen oyster]

used map got gloves when already have tier

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah outlaw owns

[tired gull]

you got a map??

[narrow basalt]

Is darkest night showing on your damage details or is it umbrellad under envenom damage?

[tired gull]

i've done like 28 bountifuls and no map

[haughty lantern]

same

[peak lake]

Hey guys, where are u using queen mandate on the rota ?

[waxen oyster]

i've gotten 3

[haughty lantern]

also note to self, abandon ship back to outlaw when I get the fist weapon + trinket

[jade crescent]

Outlaw is raw damage up front and is stacked right now. Easy to pump for nothing. Sub will outperform both more than likely in the longer term (see: after rwf and we catch up)

[cobalt sphinx]

just envenom

[clear oar]

is the shadow banding ritual knife trinket poggas, it sims really well in dslice but wowhead says its dogshit

[waxen oyster]

i dont use any of the items from them

[haughty lantern]

TBF i want to be outlaw. I like the aesthetic more. Sin rogue is just way easier to play rn

[jade crescent]

I am obviously an outlaw player but love m+ so sin it is 😦

[spice spire]

If it procs during your CDs you either cloak or take a massive L

Also

[waxen oyster]

If i get my freebie enchanted crest and make 619 boots instead of my 610s

[spice spire]

Max ilvl trinkets is the list reflecting

[waxen oyster]

might push 614 overall

[spice spire]

Max ilvl knife is like

626

[keen spruce]

OL losing to sub on silken court

why sub best spec on 2 target

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[keen spruce]

what year is it

[waxen oyster]

i goofed and accidentally bought 2 runed to carved crest things

instead of the reverse

[marble cradle]

u can sell back i think if u didnt used

[waxen oyster]

it didnt have a refund feature

[haughty lantern]

damn, even with these nerfs, outlaw is still going that hard?

[arctic socket]

Those nerfs just happen today I believe

[keen spruce]

those nerfs were yesterday

[subtle tundra]

its not that much of a nerf

[waxen oyster]

sub is also bug abusing

[neon drift]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

also with the buffs to tier

not sure how much of a nerf that really is

[haughty lantern]

so sub is bug abusing, sin is being crippled by DN/Echoing Reprimand bug, and Outlaw is giving 0 fucks and swashbuckling all the scallywags?

[jade crescent]

Those are more net neutral buffs/nerfs to balance around tier

[haughty lantern]

true, i assume outlaw actually WANTS 4 piece now?

[lost hamlet]

yes

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

[jade crescent]

Again, outlaw will not remain raid meta once gear and tier is more widely available.

[subtle tundra]

what does tier have to do with it

[jade crescent]

Correct

[keen spruce]

OL just padding on adds

[jade crescent]

Sin and sub will scale significantly better

[jade crescent]

Even boss dmg only outlaw was pumping

[novel moss]

only problem with KIR keklaw is they suffer huge from downtime, i think sin will be better for higher content in the long run

[keen spruce]

be ethical hip boss

hit

[haughty lantern]

dots vs no dots

hmmmmmmm

[jade crescent]

Upfront dmg with minimal scaling will always be powerful early.

[waxen oyster]

i mean by week 2

[twin hull]

umm...i saw whisyr using only bubbling wax on his weapon...earlier in his stream...is there a reason he hasnt added another weapon enhancement ? or ???....cause i have few buzzing runes left...can i use it with the wax or they dont interact well?

[waxen oyster]

you're often finishing most tiersets on dps

[gray horizon]

I'm just gonna play sin til my guild leader tells me to change

[jade crescent]

Must be nice.

[waxen oyster]

Even without clearing most of normal.

[gray horizon]

prob lazy or just cuz they're expensive

[keen spruce]

probably just lazy

[runic hinge]

It’s like 3%

[haughty lantern]

i wanted to play outlaw off the rip since outlaw has the fist weapon + trinket combo and i prefer my outlaw mog with thunderfury artifact appearance

[runic hinge]

With the buffs to tier

[jade crescent]

Two full clears of normal and decent heroic clears and still not 4pc even with KSM achieve.

[keen spruce]

seems reasonable

[obtuse sable]

Loot council gave the ring to our dh, sadge feelz (only normal tho)

[keen spruce]

3% kind of a w/e burger

[runic hinge]

Yeah exactly

[novel star]

2% nerf with 4p, 5% nerf with nothing

its in the pins in outlaw channel

[runic hinge]

They had 2 minute slow mode in there

[spice spire]

That’s just not true.
Outlaw at highest ilvl still sims the highest