assassination

[nocturne mortar]

Do i need to clear full heroic for free token or only last boss. ?

[mental wedge]

is this rly f tier ? XD

[blazing badge]

Only last boss if we speak about spelunker

[blazing badge]

Yeah it seems good, but Sims as an absolute garbage

[dapper fox]

well you sitting around for 1,5 secs, kinda sucks in the rotation

[orchid wind]

hey boys, i'm prob playin assa this season, how we lookin ? on high keys and low keys, since vers is our last stat, should i be worried about being squishy and etc ?

[mental wedge]

in assa rotation that's completely fine ig, as u regen

[blazing badge]

Superb.

Guys, pls help with Vault 🙂

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/36Udedjj4Wf1e33GV7e5hZ

[orchid wind]

oh really ?

GAMING

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[orchid wind]

i would take tier tbh , but if u got a guild, do ur raid first

[runic hinge]

is that the very rare cloak?

[blazing badge]

yeah!

[runic hinge]

I'd take that tbh

[blazing badge]

Well i have my spelunker + curio + set helm + catalyst

so i can have 4-set tier anyway

[orchid wind]

oh i didn't see the cloak

[orchid wind]

yeah well that makes sense then

[runic basin]

which misdirect macro you are using?
For which WA was that: #showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click AutoTankMisdirect

[noble flume]

guys if im gonna craft boots what should i go 619

or lower?

im 600 ilvl atm

[blazing badge]

you mean cloak + full set?

[blazing badge]

Yeah it's not bis stats, but 626 immediately + nice "small cheat death"

[orchid wind]

i would take cloak tbh, if u will get ur 4p guaranteed, both tiers are heroic in ur vault , and u can get it with tokens and catalyst as u said
can help early and end-game

[kindred hinge]

Take the 2p for dps or take trinket to ensure that the rarer slot is dealt with since set will drop anyway?

[fair viper]

In doubt of what to take guys. Feel like not taking the dagger is inting, but there's also the cloak. I have no tier pieces at all, so no need to worry about those in this vault

[versed mica]

Since no one answered my question in case there are anyone else who wondered- Sims don't sim the pet effect. When trying it on a training dummy, the pet is pretty weak and basically only increases your dps by the amount that secondary stats would have given you anyway, so it's basically a normal dagger that is locked to a proc

[runic hinge]

but it's also thematic

[grim bison]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strong wing]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[undone eagle]

Sheeeesh so m+ is rolled back into shadowlands season 1 with only 1 dungeon gives u full score 🤣👌🏻

[hearty galleon]

got a 616 Scroll of Momentum in Vault and it sims 2% better than 616 egg, but its in C tier in the guide - who should i believe ?

[marble hemlock]

yes. it has less primary stat than other trinkets of the same ilvl, and has a cast time to boot

[undone eagle]

Guide, not everytime the trinket proccs in timing

[fair viper]

Would anyone mind giving their opinion on my vault?

[normal mist]

Did you sim?
That cape looks tasty

[runic hinge]

cloak, you may never see it again

[fair viper]

I did, says dagger is omega dam

[fair viper]

That's what I was thinking

[runic hinge]

you could get another dagger this week from a m+ tho

[molten eagle]

hey guys, im new to the discord and simming in general, this is my vault did the top gear options but not sure if it takes in mind catalyst charges and set bonus cause this chest is my 4p

[runic hinge]

same ilvl

[fair viper]

True, cloak it is. Thank you!

[amber brook]

I love vault day

[normal mist]

It does if you set up the sim for it

[molten eagle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hueoRekjKj1DV9ZxUKRRow

[faint path]

literally everyone getting 616 tier besides me ...

first week always high ilvl tier what the fuck happened to my vault ffs

[halcyon hamlet]

anyone want tier? lol

[amber brook]

Is there certain params to include for simming in raidbots?

[molten eagle]

How would I do that exactly I don't see an option for it, also is there simming guide somewhere in the discord ?

[normal mist]

Copy the sim with your vault open ----> raidbots.com ----> top gear ----> you can choose the minimum of set pieces you want / catalyst charges you have at the top ----> select choose vault options ----> if there's any piece you can catalyst from the items in the vault / you already have a good one, you can right(?) click it, and there's an option to use it as catalyst

I'm mobile for the next 9 hours so I can't really help visually with screenshots

[foggy torrent]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7zjA18NQVR2jAMiL5bGrhu

Safest bet here is Shadow-binding ritual knife for sure right?

[thorny spire]

is rly dagger with 26ilvl upgrade better that 4 piece? sim says it is

[chrome dirge]

How much dps % does tier give us ?

[normal mist]

Like 2.4% total

[hot fulcrum]

iirc 4% last time I heard

[hot fulcrum]

wat? 4 set?

[normal mist]

Yeah it's somewhere around there

I believe fuu has the Sims here:

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[molten eagle]

Thanks a lot for the reply I can't seem to right click at item to choose the catalyst option

[hot fulcrum]

there was some message here that 2,1% is outdated info. But I don't rly know much about it

[blazing badge]

Why all 5 tier pieces are in BiS gear for rogue on Wowhead and Icy-Veins?

[normal mist]

What about left click

[blazing badge]

I mean it is definitely bis to have 4 pieces and 1 other piece with top stats

[hot fulcrum]

there is a + button should be

[normal mist]

Because bis doesn't exist so anything is good

[hot fulcrum]

Click on + button will give you ability to catalyst item or increase ilvl

[normal mist]

Thanks I couldn't really explain on mobile properly

[molten eagle]

but + button is for item upgrade, not to include catalyst or did i misunderstand

[normal mist]

Take a screenshot with that list open

[blazing badge]

Anything is good? It is a guide for bis gear.

So it should be a theoretical bis

[normal mist]

Oh trust me I know

Yeah about that

Bis = sim yourself

[errant night]

guys, if i haven't gotten runed crests from delves at all (just 2 crests) should i write a ticket?

it's ridiculous, some people already have capped 90/90 while i have only 2, though they didn't go to heroic raid

[normal mist]

If it is 100% intended that you get them and you didn't, yes

[lethal heart]

no idea what you got but i'm happy for you

[errant night]

gosh

[hot fulcrum]

on top of a form there is a catalyst charges info. Check if you have at least 1. Then you will be able to transform item into tier set using + button

[thick sail]

I crafted spark chest and spark pants and I was told this is horrible because now I can't wear tier. Which seems objectively true. How long is it before I can correct this mistake?

[normal mist]

3 weeks total

[errant night]

should i write in a "payment issues"? is it bannable if i mischoose?

[normal mist]

After this one

[normal mist]

Altought that sounds funny as fuck, no

[hot fulcrum]

this week we have 2,5 sparks. Next week is 3rd spark

[errant night]

so i write in payment issues

[thick sail]

Excellent. Nerfed for 3 weeks lol

[normal mist]

Mister James

NoTrickz warned everyone in advance

XX

[marble hemlock]

very rare ring thats gigabis for everybody

[strange python]

Damn, gz seli ^^

[thick sail]

I wish I saw 😦

[last otter]

is Sikrans endless Arsenal good for Assassination in m+?

[normal mist]

Next time bother notrickz before crafting :3

[foggy torrent]

Not sure what to pick, what would you guys do?

[normal mist]

I would personally sim

[thick sail]

😭

[foggy torrent]

Looks like a pretty bad vault 😦

[normal mist]

That very rare back piece seems like a nice pick

Same with 616 dagger trinket

I would personally get the backpiece

Because it's really rare and good

The trinket can be replaced easy

[foggy torrent]

Yeh was thinking that aswell

[molten eagle]

Okay so in @foggy torrent case does it take into account that the he can get his 2p set into the sims or is the set bonus not that big of a deal

[normal mist]

The tier sets this season aren't that big DMG wise, so sometimes sims tell you to get items over 2/4 tier

[thick sail]

@normal mist it's worse than you can imagine. The chest I crafted is the haste set bonus one

[molten eagle]

@normal mist I guess I will take trinket then as its a raid drop, and I can always use catalyst for the tier pieces as M+ is now active

[brisk plank]

There is timewalking cache quest live? What ilvl it drops?

[noble flume]

guys u enchant depths r3 or its too much money? https://gyazo.com/5515a0300c4103bf3c7125fecee2b567

[normal mist]

Change weapons position

MH must be your best weapon

[noble flume]

y i just bought mb xd

[foggy torrent]

Will get the cloak I guess, I agree with the fact that I will replace the trinket faster

[noble flume]

should i buy the depths? its 24k per enha

uf

[normal mist]

We playing the marathon, good thinking

[noble flume]

xd

[normal mist]

Yep, I also believe it's a good choice, keep in mind that we have a catalyst charge when you get a good item

[normal mist]

If you have the gold to get them I'd do it, especially for the biggest ilvl one

[balmy condor]

don't need a misdirect macro if you never use tricks of the trade

wait

jesus

how far was I scrolled up

[fluid pumice]

Trinket buddies

[normal mist]

Holy moly

[runic hinge]

Years

[balmy condor]

fucking discord

[normal mist]

Yeah I love it when that happens to me

[errant night]

fucking blizz they owe me my runed crests

[balmy condor]

what

[errant night]

I did like 10 bountiful t8 delves, but only have 2 runed crests

though i should have at least 20

[molten eagle]

I mean it's top pick on sims as well not like it's a dmg loss 😄

[normal mist]

Ez pick then

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

I did siege of Borlaus for the first time today

That place is terrible

[soft merlin]

Wait until u get into a +9 Grim Batol

KEKW

[fluid pumice]

Idk man, it was simming higher than my 619 ara trinket

[runic basin]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

awful in fact

like skardyns + 626 treach is on par with skardyns + like 570 delve trinkets

[royal lantern]

we all act suprised now

😮

[runic hinge]

I didn’t do dungeons in bfa. Just lfr and PvP

[molten eagle]

Guys can anyone point me to a comprehensive simming guide

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[nocturne mortar]

do i need to clear all the heroic raid to get this or only defeat last boss?

[old sundial]

Hey Guys i got the Scroll of Momentum Trinket or T Pants, i could use the catalyst and get 4 Piece. But Raidbots says the trinket is like 12k Dps better what do you guys say ? (Trinket is 616 i)

[tacit wedge]

Post sim

[old sundial]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kvvP3FYpRmKUaLEyFCC2jS

[royal lantern]

150?????

tf are you doing there

[reef mulch]

no talents 😄

[old sundial]

yeah it says its outdated dont know hwy

why

[reef mulch]

rerun your /simc and try pasting again?

[flat oasis]

Hey guyz. I have been playing assassination for almost 1 week This is first spec I don't get bored. Feels so good to play especially in aoe moments I do really good DPS even with my low gear. I m at 588 GS and I can outdps other geared specs. But WHEN it comes to single Target, I feel like I'm tickling the boss. İs it about my gear or am I doing smth wrong? Or sin rogue is not that good for single target? I can't even decide my talents for single Target 😔

[tacit wedge]

sin rogue is one of the best for single target

you're probably struggling with the core mechanics of sin rogue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygn2r-lR3f4&

some cutie here made this comprehensive guide, it might help you out

[flat oasis]

Will check . Thank you

[royal lantern]

?

[vocal minnow]

[royal lantern]

that is a bold take

[tacit wedge]

i have to justify my spot in the roster

[royal lantern]

when assa rn is "good aoe, somewhat bellow average ST"

[royal lantern]

you bring atrophic

thats your spot

thats the reason raidbuffs exist

[thin gate]

+7 keys are most efficient for gearing?

[normal mist]

I wish I knew

[thorny crown]

Is the shadowbinding ritual dagger trinket playable? Got it as 616 from vault. sim says its the best choice but i want it to hold for the long run

[errant night]

guide on wowhead says it's one of the best trinks

[vocal minnow]

how does is matter if it sims the best the other choices wont hold longer either

[zealous wolf]

whats the commands for ilvl of drops

!drop

!gear

!cry

[vocal minnow]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[zealous wolf]

thank you

[thorny crown]

could turn some of those choices into tier with ilvl 616, thats the problem

[vocal minnow]

so what? heroic tier is also not good

take a socket - thats always an upgrade

[royal python]

Does it matter if the ascension embellished dagger is placed on offhand ?

[strange python]

yay 2k iom finished

[vapid geode]

if my caustic spatter damage is low am i just not pressing mutilate enough in aoe?

[robust axle]

You only press mutilate once

[cerulean compass]

Nice TW

[robust axle]

You have to envenom slam to spread CS

[short fox]

are we playing with er again?

[vapid geode]

@robust axle if i send a pic of my breakdown think you might know what im doing wrong?

[robust axle]

On Aoe you: Ambush > Garrote > Rup > Rup > Garrote > CT > Mutilate > FoK/envenom slam thats it

[vapid geode]

thats what i do im 99% sure but my dmg breakdown its no where near

[fleet pagoda]

are you swapping targets a lot? looks like you're pushin envenom a lot but with that low spatter contribution i'd assume you're not activating it with mutilate(or ambush) on your envenom targets

[vapid geode]

yeah that could definitely be it out of habit from other classes

[fleet pagoda]

after you get your bleeds rollin all you need to really pay attention to for for about 20 seconds or so is making sure you have spatter, and maybe CT

[vapid geode]

okay thank you for pointing that out

[fleet pagoda]

if you're using plater you could go as far as setting that icon on the side of it if it's helpful to track

but whatever's your comfort zone really 🫡

[vapid geode]

its crazy i am doing 970k overall now i will pump

i appreciate it

[dense cloud]

bruh is sim broken? I have 2 sett items in the vault in high ilvl and it says I should take a helm that is not even a sett piece

lmao

[worldly bridge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[quartz path]

my head hurts looking at sims

Does this make sense? should I wait to get a champion Chest to catalyst? I'm new to this, I'm a classic andy
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hd3VtRGjZ1bXjnC5RdiZ8s

[turbid crest]

should my overall be like this ?

[woven shore]

okay

so

how are people

doing 920k What the fuck

[vocal minnow]

press the right buttons at the right time

[woven shore]

957k

95 logs are so fucking bad wtf

what am i doing wrong

[hearty pulsar]

What do we type to get up the embellishment theory? (For Assa)

[ripe carbon]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy vapor]

How much dps increase is our tier set

[brisk plank]

what if 1 on use has 1 min cd and 1 has 2 min cd? so we can bind 1 with kings and 1 with deathmark, obviously when we pop both kb and dm we will then pop 2min cd one and for kb 1min, are those really that bad?

[balmy condor]

yes, that's giga shit

have you seen our damage profile at all?

[brisk plank]

wait you got that from timewalkings cache?

[balmy condor]

you want a second on use trinket

to buff this part here?

[royal lantern]

well, that Part would be bigger then

[balmy condor]

massive

[cerulean compass]

Yep

[indigo mulch]

I already hate this trinket.

And i've only done 1 dungon with it so far.

[royal lantern]

yes, thats why its not recommended

[normal kindle]

What tier set piece do we avoid ?

[indigo mulch]

Honestly its not that bad proccing it but sometimes its just so hard to see where that little ball flies off too <.<

[subtle tundra]

gah its op for sub so i have to get it

[subtle field]

because you probably dont have another set piece? you can only take 1 item from vault, and without another setpiece a single setpiece is just an item

[brisk plank]

so basically dm is THE dmg windows for us? kingsbane alone doesnt even compare to it, and everything else is giga meh

[balmy condor]

correct

[orchid wind]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1285880259014688778/image.png?ex=66ebe0d0&is=66ea8f50&hm=28eaca2e591bfc601765799afcc22f5aa5f5c91f669d3a7c5759c25aa12e3e33&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[orchid wind]

thoughts about this neck ?

is it worth buyin it, dropped for someone in raid

[balmy condor]

I mean it's better than any other equal ilvl neck

it's a regular neck

but with a bonus effect

[vocal minnow]

buy? what kind of trashraid are you in

[crude sequoia]

whats the move fr

[balmy condor]

bro's got DKP stored up from 2007

[thorn crater]

Isn’t that neck a shit ton of haste though? Can’t you get a master one with a bit lower ilvl?

Since neck doesn’t have primary stat the ilvl shouldn’t be too much of a diff

[balmy condor]

well yeah

[dense cloud]

40.% upgrade. huuuh 💀

[balmy condor]

but haste is good

[balmy condor]

and having 800 vers on proc

and healer mana

vs not having 800 vers

and not having healer mana

[torn meteor]

Whats the best trinkets for M+ on assa?

[toxic tartan]

how big does our set seem to be in raid and m+?

[balmy condor]

skardyn's + like any of the top 6 passvies

[royal lantern]

fuck them, not using it now

[balmy condor]

1.2% per

[dire cairn]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[sick radish]

do i want to craft dagger if i have both hc daggers or go with dawnthread?

[toxic tartan]

as in around 1.2 for 2 set and around 2.4 total for 4 set? and is that both in ST and AoE?

[balmy condor]

yes

[toxic tartan]

damn is enhance shaman the only class with a good set or something lmfao

[balmy condor]

I'm personally crafting a dagger with 2 hero daggers just for the ilvl I think

[night sable]

neck over set piece?

[uneven summit]

i have a shadow-binding ritual dagger in vault, is it worth? considering there are easy optainable better ones?

[balmy condor]

is it hero track?

[balmy condor]

idk probably

[uneven summit]

yes

[balmy condor]

well that sounds huge then

ritual dagger is one of the better trinket

[uneven summit]

i got sacbrood and skardyn atm and plan on getting them in m+

[balmy condor]

unless you plan on pulling double 639 trinkets out of your ass somehow

well yeah but you can only farm 626

[uneven summit]

Yeah true

626 skardyn+sacbrood is slight better than 626 ritual dagger i´d assume, hmmm

[crude sequoia]

bro my vault is so ass

[thick sail]

If I have a 592 ilev but 0/4 set bonus and only 1 embellishment, is it pretty expected I'd only be like 5th or 6th place dps in LFR?

Is our set bonus super good?

Is a 597 dagger worth prioritizing upgrading?

Or should I try to upgrade my 550 pieces first

[royal lodge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[crude sequoia]

what tf am i looking at

[whole wadi]

[near meteor]

Would you guys think this ring is actually an upgrade? Whatever addon I have on says 49%+ upgrade but im gaining vers and losing mastery for the ilvl increase

[balmy condor]

that whatever addon is pawn

and it's dogshit

and you should delete it

and then sim yourself

[near meteor]

[nocturne mortar]

Which tier head or chest slot we skip in m+ content ?

[balmy condor]

chest technically

but depends on what meta ends up being cause at the high end they always like vers

[near meteor]

pawn deleted, simulationcraft installed

[old sundial]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9jPtaEfVCQoePwYKndnCiT its even worse to take 4 set now, is it rly so bad?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

well you're simming 2 set not 4 set

but yeah reasonable

our tier sucks

[vale marten]

the feeling when you get all 3 rare items from raid LUL

https://gyazo.com/4a14a669926d6c787b0e897fd64cb8e6

[old sundial]

So i should take the Trinket?

[balmy condor]

you can

champ track stuff is pretty stinky

[near meteor]

that vers ring does sim higher, i wonder why

I guess the ilvl matters more than I thought

[balmy condor]

yah

ilvl good

secondaries not important

[hot fulcrum]

I wonder if it's ok to use runed crests atm to upgrade hero Kukri in MH to 4/6

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean you're crafting with mythic crests or whatever

gilded

?

yeah gilded

[hot fulcrum]

yeah. never did crafts with runed

[balmy condor]

so can use runed crests for upgrades yolo

[fringe crater]

is the treacherous transmitter really that aweful to play around? Not sure if I should take it from vault, the proc seems insane?

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

yes it is

[balmy condor]

it's soul destroying

[hot fulcrum]

with the expansion start always thougth it's glided) Then found it's gilded)

[balmy condor]

and it's like basically slightly worse stats than skardyns

which is entirely free

[fringe crater]

Yeah it's funny that sub lists it as S tier for them, apparently they (the author) don't mind it all that much.

[balmy condor]

no he does

[spice surge]

Well sub has 90 seconds cds

[balmy condor]

but it's REALLY good on sub

[spice surge]

Assa has 120s

So a 90s cd trinket, is better

The fact that its even good on assa with holding it for 30s

Is silly

[fringe crater]

aha, i see. Thanks for elaborating both!

[spice surge]

But also i dont really mind it that much either, it always spawns the things front right/northeast to how youre facing

So its quite similar to branch

Which obviously is still a lot worse to play than something like skardyn

[fringe crater]

Yeah, this is my vault for reference, really not sure what to pick if I want to play a bit around assas and sub both (mainly assas though)

[naive crane]

Id take the hero track head if you dont have it

[fringe crater]

yeah, was also leaning more towards it

[naive crane]

Cuz normal raid loot is w/e

[crude sequoia]

depths on both weapons or depths + radiant power?

[naive crane]

You better off with m+ trinkets. Get Egg/skar and youre good to go

[past condor]

Any words on how good madness of the betrayer is yet?

Got it from BT, but the scaling seems a lil off.

[balmy condor]

bad

if old timewalking item -> bad

[stuck tree]

for multi dotting purposes, is it best to dump 5+ cp on rupture even if it might take 2 gcds (2 fans or 2 mutilates) assuming i get unlucky with cp generation? ever worth it to just do <5 cp dumps or na?

[buoyant summit]

hi, is Sikran's Endless Arsenal on use trigering an cooldown on my Skardyn's Grace? The sim realy wants to take from the vault over Dead-Eye Spyglass

[past condor]

New timewalking, starts 597.

[balmy condor]

yes

bad

[past condor]

Kkk chers

[balmy condor]

both hero talents require you finish on 5cp

[balmy condor]

yes

[stuck tree]

pleasure, ill do that then. thanks whispyr

[fleet sable]

which would be prio? got 593 helmet, 606 mh, 593 oh

[balmy condor]

take helm craft dagger

[fleet sable]

thats what i was thinking

[gusty adder]

anyone got a link to this dagger btw? - as in just a ss of the stats at max possible ilvl atm

[balmy condor]

uhhhhhhhh

here

[distant moon]

leaning towards the head, does the socket carry over if turn it into set piece?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gusty adder]

thanks alot - not possible to craft 636 yet tho, right ?

[balmy condor]

it is

[gusty adder]

oh

[balmy condor]

can craft two 636 pieces this week technically

if you cap gilded crests

[main hemlock]

@balmy condor is ara trinket better than the spyglass from siege?

[balmy condor]

higher on the tier list generally means better yes

[main hemlock]

I was wondering because I thought even pre nerf spyglass and skardyn were bis

[lethal heart]

[main hemlock]

yeah obviously

but

Im sure u said spyglas and ara sim the best

[balmy condor]

they do

skardyns + ara and skardyns + spyglass

both sim good

[old sundial]

@balmy condor Have you seen my PM? didnt want to spam this chat to discuss

[thorn crater]

So am I dumb for crafting wrists and belt?

Though I guess next week we get a new spark right

[balmy condor]

wrist and belt is good for m+

double dawnthread

and all that

[thorn crater]

But this week will be rough if everyone is running 636 dagger though

[balmy condor]

no

[thorn crater]

Huge diff from 616

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm gonna be honest

[quasi steppe]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[quasi steppe]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

I doubt 99% of the playerbase can do +9's this week

for the gilded crests

[thorn crater]

You need 90
Of those?

[balmy condor]

ye

we full cleared heroic raid one shots all the way through today

and then got shitstomped in a 7

keys are brutal

[arctic tusk]

do any single targets builds not take doublr shiv?

lightweight shiv

[balmy condor]

no

they all do

[arctic tusk]

kk

ty

[raven vapor]

!embelishment

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[zinc frost]

Was it siege? I tried a 7 siege and happy to never enter it again

[balmy condor]

these were all rough

and like we're 610

so maybe undergeared?

idk

but shit was dummy hard

[zinc frost]

Oh and grim batol - everything hurts there

[balmy condor]

I have not timed a 7 yet

we missed siege timer by 55s

[normal mist]

I was excited to see vault
I see vault
I'm not excited anymore

616 weapon we take those

[tacit wedge]

Fellas, since it's Burning Crusade TW this week, should we expect ppl asking about Shard of Azzinoth?

[drifting cloud]

youre late

[normal mist]

You're already late to the party

[tacit wedge]

:(

some enlightened genius already asked it :(

[subtle tundra]

do dawnbreaker

[limpid niche]

Rogue 4 set, shouldn’t it be like 10% ish dps increase?

[subtle tundra]

easiest shit ever

also fuck deathstalker

so fucking annoying

if everything is perfect, yea np losing mark is rare

[fathom nest]

Is "Bubbling Wax" currently working?

[zealous wolf]

is it worth it to upgrade a champion dagger to 619? ill need to spend 60 crests

cant get a damn hero one to drop anywhere

[rotund jackal]

What is the highest you can craft this week?

[drifting cloud]

max

[zealous wolf]

max if you get crests from mythic or m+

[south lava]

what should i take guys tier set or dagger?

[calm tendon]

does anyone have the same prob with simming? Invalid/out-of-date talent loadouts found. These need to be updated/recreated: Active, tww deathstalker. the loadouts are fine..

[terse orchid]

yay or nay?

[normal mist]

It's alright

[old sundial]

Delete all and do new ones, helped for me

[normal mist]

If you can sim 2p/4p vs dagger do it

[brisk plank]

What ilvl can you craft with Enchanted Runed Harbinger Crest? max that is

[soft shale]

grim batol has hands

last boss was rough as f

[balmy condor]

1.2% each bonus

[terse orchid]

oh nvm sims tell me it's certified trash, damn

[balmy condor]

619

Should say on the crest

[unkempt warren]

why is croll of monetum simming so high for me? but its C teir on the guide?

scroll*

[subtle field]

yoo, started playing assa this season. does this look about right?

[balmy condor]

It gets beat out by a bunch of other trinkets at higher ilvl cause it caps at 626

[unkempt warren]

like i got 616 version in vault alonside 603 spyglass but even upgrade spyglass to 610 it comes out as worse.

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s probably fine, CT a bit low maybe

[subtle field]

thanks for the input!

[deep breach]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[unkempt warren]

fair, should i just pick what sims best for now?

[rich parrot]

how mutch % we have with 2p ?

damage

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

1.2%

[rich parrot]

[unkempt warren]

looks rubbish lol i just simed 2set and trinket came out way better

[dusty zenith]

How many sparks should we have now 2.5?

[soft shale]

yes

[stuck ridge]

did they remove the cheat death conditon of the dmg cant exceed 2x ur max hp?

[balmy condor]

No

[dusty zenith]

If you getting hit for 2x your life it’s a wipe

[stuck ridge]

no as in

if u get hit by something u arent supposed to get hit by

if it exceed 2x ur max hp u would die thru CD?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[stuck ridge]

:\

rogue feels so squishy now

[drifting cloud]

that change has been in the game for like 10 years now?

[stuck ridge]

iirc it was in the skill description

but thats no longer there

[drifting cloud]

you cant trust wow tooltips unfortunately

[old sequoia]

neck sims higher but i take the tier pants i assume for the long term investment?

[ivory flower]

If at least champion yeah I would say

[old sequoia]

yeah theyre hero

sg ty

[strange python]

does transmitter simm correct? like holding it for deathmark? i have 619 and its losing to this trinket 610

seems wrong

[dire sparrow]

what embelishments do we get and what to craft for m+

[strange python]

transmitter seem really good for assa tbh

[raven panther]

is it good ?

[calm tendon]

nah not working. removed envery loadout. removed every point and set all new by hand.. same error again

[old sequoia]

dont forget to do story mode queen kill for

[old sundial]

Have you updated your simcraft?

[torpid sleet]

guys what embelishment are we going to use

for the weapon

[hot fulcrum]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hot fulcrum]

answer is here

[bold bramble]

2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime. Does this stack? i get the exact same amount of crit with one item as with two

[nocturne mortar]

Im crafting. Wrist and feet since. I can buy myth track waist from AH

[bold bramble]

can any1 explain why i should build 2 Dawnthread items?

[proud mason]

I don't even know if it that's good but i manifested that ring into existence, thinking about it yesterday so much

[little chasm]

It stacks

[flat sleet]

jump of a cliff or put them together on and it stacks

[calm tendon]

i update my addons etc everytime i boot 😄 i reinstall it..

[bold bramble]

brb jumping a cliff

[nocturne mortar]

For real ? Im picking it without hesitate

[proud mason]

real and true .. yesterday i was thinking damn maybe that ring has synergies with some of sin talents since it's nature damage

got a ponction (idk in english, lifesteal) proc as well

[stuck ridge]

so what % is it

[proud mason]

omg i'm so happy

simming right now

[formal pasture]

606 set or some random 616 piece ?

[normal mist]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[lusty mountain]

guys, any suggestion?

[normal mist]

@sour marten

[normal mist]

That neck looks like a good choice

[stuck ridge]

neck is shit

[lusty mountain]

q_q

[stuck ridge]

haste is very low

just sim

[lusty mountain]

yeah

gonna test

tyvm

[normal mist]

Why is it shit?

[royal lantern]

??????

[calm tendon]

wax is so buggy..

[fallow estuary]

dude ... +9s are hitting kinda hard

not sure if i can farm 90 crests before myth raid today

[normal mist]

Same

[fallow estuary]

we just depleted a 9 boralus

[normal mist]

That was a wild take I guess

[calm tendon]

did we have a picture which keylvl gives loot/crests/track? like in prev seasons?

[normal mist]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[calm tendon]

❤️

[normal mist]

Can you explain the haste part or?

[formal pasture]

whats this new word track being used

im out of the loop

[normal mist]

This what

[kind forge]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[normal mist]

I now understand why whispyr hates people sometimes

[proud mason]

seal of the poisoned pact is simming a 20k dps upgrade

[normal mist]

Holy, nice

[royal lantern]

your downfall continues

[normal mist]

It was a yellow name tho, it's fine

[proud mason]

I know right ? by the way if i wanted to put a socket on that ring, the only way is to get the currency from another vault that's it right ?

[flat oasis]

HELP

[strange python]

Can buy a setting on AH

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[kind forge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[strange python]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=213777/magnificent-jewelers-setting

[hallow ridge]

is fatebound dodowater compared to deathstalker in m+

[normal mist]

You can try it

They are both good

[vale lantern]

i tried it, it felt alright but i def felt energy starved on those longer boss fights but i coulda also been playing wrong

[open mountain]

Yay got a 616 ritual blade, sims higher than ara-Kara or empowering Crystal when all upgrades to 626.. also only 0.1% behind them at 639 itlvl with ritual blade at 626.. happy vault 👍

Wtf is that haha

Can’t even edit out the weird unicorn 😅

[normal mist]

Want me to delete it?

It's a cute one tho

[midnight atlas]

pog, seal of poisoned pact in vault

[normal mist]

Collect that W

[midnight atlas]

but what if i get it from raid today?

[upper bear]

616 Quickwick Candlestick.. hmm.. trap or not

[royal lantern]

then a guildmate gets it?

[midnight atlas]

i'll tell them i got tokens and try to snipe it.

0.0001% chance but there's a chance

[royal lantern]

y'all are horrible raiders

you know that

[midnight atlas]

yes. im loot goblin

[distant moon]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[quick condor]

Hey, do we craft what the Spreadsheet says?
2x Focus lens on Wrist and Waist?

[normal mist]

No

What spreadsheet?

[quick condor]

Fuus ^^

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[quick condor]

ahhh tyty ❤️

[timid ginkgo]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[thorn crater]

simming urself to find out your equipped gear is top gear vs everything in the vault

KEK

[tawdry flint]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crude sequoia]

didn’t even get a set piece in my full vault

behind the curve achievement unlocked

[thorn crater]

its a token angle

is there a chance sth is wrong with raidbots? should we be simming for latest?

cause even a small ilvl upgrade should be shown as an upgrade on top gear right?

[novel moss]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[stuck ridge]

just sim, haste sux

[normal mist]

You're in the wrong channel

[stuck ridge]

?

[normal mist]

To be spreading misinformation

[stuck ridge]

i asked u to sim, why is that misinformation

[normal mist]

haste sux

[stuck ridge]

i have very low haste and its still my worst stat

i wish it was good because i got the rare neck on hc

[normal mist]

You know every profile is different right?

[stuck ridge]

yes , and if its good for anyone it would be good for me , like i said i already have very low haste

[normal mist]

That's incorrect

[stuck ridge]

im primarily referring m+ , but its not great for ST either (not that there is really any pure ST fights in raid rofl)

[normal mist]

Okay

Sim is the right answer
Saying it sucks isn't

[stuck ridge]

it sux

because sim tells me it does

[normal mist]

It isn't good on your profile

It doesn't mean it isn't good on other people profile

[stuck ridge]

are u really that thick? if it was actually good, then having very low haste profile would make it even better

why is that so hard to understand

[normal mist]

[austere sorrel]

Yeesh

[crisp pine]

What you two don't seem to understand is that we actually need to complete a statistical analysis of all possible loot drops in The War Within
To even have a chance of figuring out if haste is good

[stuck ridge]

whether a stat is good in comparison to others have absolutely nothing to do with the available drops

it only affects what u should choose when given the choice

[normal mist]

All stats are good

For assassination

[royal lantern]

frankly

you have no clue what you are talking about

[crisp pine]

Damn, did we already forget about the guy from a couple of days ago who argued this?

[royal lantern]

stop acting like you do, please

[stuck ridge]

ya if u gave me some free haste ill take sure, anything increases dmg

[crisp pine]

I was making funny meme reference joke

[stuck ridge]

the whole point is comparative to other stats

[normal mist]

Sorry I actually forgot haha I get it now 😛

[stuck ridge]

and what u should pick

for ur crafted rings etc

thats when its relevant

and im saying even with very low haste it still sims lower than the others

[royal lantern]

it doesnt

[stark kraken]

whispyr propably felt some tingling when you made this reference 😄

[normal mist]

Let the poor man sleep

[royal lantern]

again, dont make yourself look like a clown mate, its for your own good

[normal mist]

Hehe

[clever sapphire]

guys is there a trick to arakara first boss? i swear i was fighting the little spiders more than the boss on a 7 (we didnt get past the boss in 3 trys)

[outer kernel]

hey guys we doing the crit embellishment on crafted items?

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[stuck ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i8iyvixbzcRGYyEkbQ7gdm

[arctic socket]

The third boss on NW is the dog damage avoidable?

[stuck ridge]

7% haste, still sims the lowest

[royal lantern]

cool

now get a couple pieces with ither stats

and it will suddenly be higher

[clear nexus]

Asss

[royal lantern]

asssination

[bitter saddle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[thorn crater]

honestly though i do not understand, how is the same item from vault at 10ilvl higher not considered an upgrade for top gear?

genuinely confused af

[clever sapphire]

show sim

[thorn crater]

sec

[drifting cloud]

probably forgot to enchant it in sim

[thorn crater]

ye how could i forget a shoulder enchant

lol

[royal lantern]

just show the sim

[drifting cloud]

I mean its most of the time user error

[lyric marlin]

guys how do we stop ascendant affix as sin?

[drifting cloud]

so describing the sim is just worse than linking it

[clever sapphire]

aoe blind a mob

also stun/kick

[lyric marlin]

doesnt work

aoe blind doesnt work

[clever sapphire]

you blind a mob

not the orbs

[lyric marlin]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

[clever sapphire]

and the mob has to be close to the orbs

so its tank reliant if you can do them or not

[lyric marlin]

i see

thanks bro

[thorn crater]

closed it one sec rerunning it

[clever sapphire]

leave it to the others, maybe throw in a kick if the group is trolling

[drifting cloud]

top right assuming you have an account

[thorn crater]

oh the m+ one finished as well. here you go https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7BWFRL1JJg7wwWhrkDXjYs

[clever sapphire]

SO IT BEGINS

[thorn crater]

i mean im 90% sure it is user error and i did something wrong but ive been trying to figure out what for a bit lol

[drifting cloud]

congrats, youre missing enchants in the comparison

[thorn crater]

i removed the enchants

[clever sapphire]

well but your equipped gear has enchants

so thats always gonna sim better

[thorn crater]

when you remove them, doesnt that sim you without them?

[clever sapphire]

your top gear is the one with enchants as you can see in the sim

[odd tapir]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[thorn crater]

wait wait then wtf is the point of removing them from the sim? so i ignore the main and look at the rest then

[clever sapphire]

dunno i never removed enchants

[scarlet spade]

When are you guys popping your skardyns on your opener

[clever sapphire]

macro to dm

forget about it

[scarlet spade]

Ok cause I was looking at the apl or whatever from my Sims and it's popping it right after garrote in between rupture and it feels a little awkward

[clever sapphire]

i mean it lasts 20 sec and dm lasts 16, so it probably just uses it so it exactly fits till the end of dm

but as a human you just macro to dm and ignore it

[scarlet spade]

Alright fair enough

[lavish kite]

hi, i just joined the server, is this the right channel to ask for advice on what i should take from my vault?

[wide hawk]

Sure

[normal mist]

In theory you should sim it

But sure ask away hehe

[lavish kite]

u think i should take the heroic set chest or normal seal of the poisoned pact?

[royal lantern]

seal

no quesstion

rare gear = you take it

the chest can be any heroic chest you drop in m+ and put into the catalyst

seal is a rare drop

[lavish kite]

alrighty, thx

[thorn crater]

nice

th was nice

[clear nexus]

Lingering darkness in Deathstalker, does it only work when the time runs out or if we click off Deathmark

[vagrant plover]

Is there a list somewhere or the rare drops

[celest marlin]

do we know how much of an upgreade are 2/4p set ?

[spice surge]

2.5-3%

Total for both

[celest marlin]

wow thats garbage

[spice surge]

Well most are this tier

[arctic socket]

Free damage is still free damage

[thorn crater]

sim says void reaper's but im considering shoulders since its on hero path and i got BoW ones. and im bound to get another trinket right? sim has void reapers replacing ara kara

[flint tusk]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel moss]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[arctic socket]

Void reaper is a pretty sick trinket (if you ever get outlaw wep it’s gonna be nice for that spec)

[spring moat]

on logs.. should i be looking at Parse % or ilvl% ?

[arctic socket]

With m+ out feels weird taking tier

Since we can catalyst a piece but if you end up taking tier I would wait until you clear raid

[sturdy path]

i guess this is trash, right?

[arctic socket]

Wait

[junior sandal]

timewalking drops at 610? 😄

[arctic socket]

Time walking is 610?

[spring moat]

time walking raid

[sturdy path]

killing illidan quest

[spring moat]

in shatt.. also gives champ item in box

[junior sandal]

oh damn

Better to take my ass to shatt

[arctic socket]

Is raid difficult?

[spring moat]

fk no lmao

look for 'skip' in legacy raid

theres a guy in there named yogi or something.. starts groups starting at illidan

[clear nexus]

in shattrah?

wdym i want champ item

[spring moat]

quest in shatt to kill illidan

gives box

[clear nexus]

whats shatt

[bleak nimbus]

well, I think I'll take the tokens

[golden loom]

Shattrath, take portal from SW / ogrimar

[strange python]

💩

[stoic needle]

If they didn't learn their lesson the elemental it summons is probably busted as fuck and will get nerfed, try it out

[stiff inlet]

wowhead says that waist/wrist are the crafting priorities. does that mean I should take the tokens:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eZyUikdwiFXkd8j8CZkP1J

[clear nexus]

ty

[ornate panther]

GM gamers, any suggestions for a sub/assa embelishment? I have regicide and blood-kissed kukri for weapons

[faint path]

our 2 set kinda garbage right

literally no difference at all 😄

[onyx crane]

so, I can get 2piece tier set, a massive upgrade on my pants (wich my sim recommends) and champion level spyglass

and some other stuff

[agile wedge]

currently playing like 8ish keys, the usual mplus build does not feel good, as stuff lives for a while

is there another one i could try

[slim sable]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble moth]

am i high or did they fix the ds bug with echoing rep

[crisp pine]

both

[marble moth]

just saw pins

hell yea

[marble moth]

no secondary makes it kinda cringe

i feel like the lil add it spawns does f all in dungeons

[junior sandal]

boiiii

[delicate pecan]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[sturdy stirrup]

is this good

[junior sandal]

I just got the same trinket and simmed it against my current trinkets, it was only a 1k increase even at 626

[indigo elk]

man a hero track wep is simming lower than a hero tier llegs

[wild birch]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[bleak stone]

can some explain our aoe rotation

there is something im missing here

[fierce ibex]

hi guys, how do you activate clear the witness tracking on Whispyr's Afenar 3.0.3-11 ? I can't find it in Dynamic, does it need to be added manually ?

[hot fulcrum]

spread bleeds, CT, target big boy and use caustic + KB

[faint path]

are we changing our talents after set?

[hot fulcrum]

keep caustic up with bleeds

[onyx crane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9RedMcxNHjvPiV7jxaefTQ why they make this so hard for me!

[hot fulcrum]

iirc there is nothing. only dps gain

[onyx crane]

idk what to pick from vault... fr

[bleak stone]

so i dont need to use envenom in AOE?

[onyx crane]

I need guidance

[slim pebble]

I won’t lie deathstalker feels a lot better than I expected in raid

[hot fulcrum]

you need. once bleeds are up + caustic + CT you should envenom on caustic target

[fierce sluice]

I'm guessing Abyssal Trap is a worthless trinket? simmed it, just wondering if it has any use at all. Only hero track item I got

in vault I mean, prolly better off taking a champion piece right?

[tall estuary]

weapon or tier legs from vault?

[oak eagle]

well how many tier pieces you have

but should sim anyways

[hot fulcrum]

also depends on weapon that you have

[oak eagle]

^

[rose bolt]

Hey everyone. During BfA and SL quite a few People enjoyed my Rogue UI.
https://wago.io/Pw5qK0eKw
I've been afk for quite awhile but I'm happy to announce that I updated Assa and Outlaw Rogues to TWW
For starters I tried sticking to the FAQs, mostly single target.
As I main Outlaw Rogue it is very possible that there are some oversights. I'd highly appreciate valuable feedback from Assassination mains. Preferably in the Comment Section of the weakaura.

Thank you for your help!

Yes sub rogues you are not forgotten! It was 3 AM in germany when I updated the weak auras last night 😄

[faint path]

huhuuuu

[normal mist]

Good luck playing the minigames

Hehe

[bitter saddle]

What kind of minigames is this

[crude latch]

Is Assassination fairly mid in raid?

[normal mist]

It's alright

[crude latch]

Found I was parsing fairly well tonight but was still below middle of the pack for my group.

[normal mist]

3 jumps, standing in a circle for X time and I can't remember the other one

[royal lantern]

everyone said that for the last 2months

[bitter saddle]

Assa is nice

Don’t let the people say otherwise. It’s not arcane mage nice but it’s good

[crude latch]

Yeah, I know, I'm mostly here for keys, so I'm content enough with it, but just wondering if it'd be worth my time putting an outlaw set together for raid so I'm not gimping my team.

[deep meteor]

Hi, is it worth taking the dagger or should I focus on finishing 4p?

[crude latch]

I swapped arcane mage to sin so I'm just a big ol dingus

[bitter saddle]

Outlaw is so Hectic that cannot play that

[normal mist]

Sim it

[deep meteor]

dagger better for 0.4%

[prime isle]

guys, is outlaw still better than assassin with 4pc?

[normal mist]

Probably yes

[dim estuary]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spice spire]

Yeah our 4p is pretty ass overall

[prime isle]

So, with 4p, outlaw is better even in m+ or just raid?

[velvet vault]

what is the best talent for raid right now ?

can someone link it ?

[barren shuttle]

Are the bosses in illidan raid personal loot or roll with raid?

[normal mist]

Used to be personal

Maybe still is

[barren shuttle]

Ty

[dim estuary]

it's personal

[spice spire]

Just raid afaik

[gaunt ravine]

Hey someone know the cap Haste you need ?

[normal mist]

No

No cap

!stats @gaunt ravine

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hot fulcrum]

do we have classes which has caps on stats?

[normal mist]

Yes

[hot fulcrum]

but I assume sim will also tell if you need smth or note. So what is the point to think about stats and not about sims?

[normal mist]

Idk, I don't play other classes

Outlaw needs haste cap this patch

[hot fulcrum]

so they should focus on cap as prio?

[normal mist]

Afaik yes

[hot fulcrum]

then it's time to have stats recraft system back. I guess that was LC when we had it?

[cyan summit]

hands or chest from vault ?

[normal mist]

Sim

[cyan summit]

ok and do u suggest i wait for guild runs ? @normal mist

before deciding

[normal mist]

Yes

Yes

[cyan summit]

ok ty

[normal mist]

Absolutely

If you gonna clear today wait

[neat plank]

socket 🙂

[cyan summit]

nah i will tomorrow

[hot fulcrum]

and put it on champ track item)

[cyan summit]

can u get a tier set from raid finder ?

[spice spire]

Yes

Lower ilvl tho

[cyan summit]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[surreal wedge]

should I take the ring or the dagger?

[slim pebble]

Sim yo self

[cyan summit]

whats that addon giving u the upgrade % ?

[lusty narwhal]

Also spyglass there

[surreal wedge]

Pawn

[hoary apex]

is blind bugged to not work on xalatath orbs?

[surreal wedge]

yeah but it is champion

[slim pebble]

Taking champ items in vault feels bad

[lusty narwhal]

Ah

[atomic grotto]

are you still using pawn? wasnt that used based on stat weights?

[lusty narwhal]

I didnt zoom in to see ilvl

[lusty narwhal]

It is yes

[atomic grotto]

i think using stat weights is an obsolete method of getting upgrades

u can sim with ur vault open top gear on raidbots

[surreal wedge]

the idea is i have 2 crafted daggers

[balmy vapor]

In single target do we use rupture more than once in our opener?

[surreal wedge]

a 610 pvp dagger

and 590 with embellishment

[hot pasture]

Actually what is the bis?

[normal mist]

Don't use that please

I beg you

[surreal wedge]

Why tho ?

[normal mist]

It's shit

[atomic grotto]

use raidbots topgear amigo

[normal mist]

Simulationcraft exists

[cyan summit]

nope

[topaz bough]

how do fangs of the father scale in timewalking

[raven dew]

in regard to pvp gear, is there a priority in pieces to get first?

[cyan summit]

ye i thought it would just be quicker i guess pawn % is really off

[cyan summit]

#pvp

[topaz bough]

pawn uses stat weights

[raven dew]

ah thanks!

[primal egret]

!commands

[royal lantern]

pawn was outdated during frking legion

thats 10years

[topaz bough]

just sim top gear instead

[blissful sedge]

If I craft myself a dagger with the HC crest this week should I add one of the Darkmoon Sigil embellishments? Ascension is mentioned in the wowhead guide, but I read it's only good for raid and not so for M+. Assuming I don't raid is Vivacity good for assa rogue too or is it ass?

[topaz bough]

dawnthread x2 is better afaik

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

Depends

Depends on uptime

[coral agate]

WTF is Bloodhound Monstrosity's problem with Rogues. Looking back on logs on 50% of our pulls, even though someone else engaged him and had damaged to him, he started the fight by turning to me, meleeing me, and knocking me out of stealth, before I did any action >.<

[topaz bough]

were you closest

[normal mist]

Yep

Tell your tanks to fucking Move

[coral agate]

I even inched to be just as far as possible for Ambush >.<

[blissful sedge]

So no vivacity and even ascension for m+ and then later switch to double dawn thread

[normal mist]

Dawn is good in m+

Ascension is good in raid

Overall I personally prefer dawn

[lean nimbus]

A question about shiv usage: I'm using deathmark on cooldown. I use Deathmark > [Trinkets / Pots] > Shiv > Kingsbane > Spam envenom. Shiv > Kingsbane > Spam envenom when Kingsbane comes back up. Rinse, repeat.

Should I ever be using shiv outside of kingsbane windows?

[normal mist]

I can imagine the tanks moonfire or captain America the boss

[merry hedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F6DtJmyzKfZ9VYCr

I'm the assassin rogue in these logs.
Can someone help me figure out why my dps is lower than it should be and why i have such massive variances?

[normal mist]

Depends

[normal mist]

If you're using 2x shiv, you always use it on KB window.

If you're using only one, you cast it when kb is at like 7 seconds

And then on cd

And then wait again for kb

[lean nimbus]

I am using 2x shiv. Okay. So I'll stop using it outside of Kingsbane. Makes sense. Thanks, @normal mist

[normal mist]

Your log

[kindred hinge]

Blind on Affix is so frustrating, sometime it only kick one sometime 3, never the full orbs around

[normal mist]

Damn the auto correct from yoru to your

[spice spire]

Read last night that blinding a mob next to orbs works, but blinding the orbs does not

[ionic ingot]

What can we use for the affix?

[merry hedge]

wat

[kindred hinge]

Seem accurate

[normal mist]

The thread for log review name hehehe

[worthy timber]

how the hell am i supposed to use raidbots to sim myself when i just put in the /simc details and it's instantly over the max iterations?

[merry hedge]

sorry new here

[fair wharf]

Do you guys think its a waste to use your Harmonized SIlk to upgrade a champion tier item for the 2 set bonus. Sadly dont have a hero piece i could upgrade

[ripe carbon]

try disable 'replace enchants'

[spice spire]

Gonna have to remove some options and work around it

[thorn fjord]

if you broke just say so

https://tenor.com/view/sidetalk-sidetalknyc-bing-bong-bing-bong-coney-island-coney-island-gif-24203600

[worthy bear]

whats our offset slot?

[normal mist]

Don't worry. Usually when people need help with their logs, we open a thread

Wdym

[thorn fjord]

Quake loves a good log

[worthy bear]

which slot dont we want to have tier set on if we can choose?

[normal mist]

Doesn't matter

[worthy bear]

awesome ty

[normal mist]

You're free

Ilvl>>>>>>>>stats

Otherwise it's SIM angle

[thorn fjord]

Got my sin to sim relatively close to my sub ST

[spice spire]

I sure do buddy

[thorn fjord]

OL ST still through the fucking roof tho

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/cockleswhent-gif-2820049943290561436

[spice spire]

Real

[thorn fjord]

Someone inbue my fingers to know the sub nuances for this tier

I dont want to learn

[normal mist]

Fuck the system

Stay assa

[nova aspen]

i dont want to be at work, i want to blast keys

[nocturne mortar]

guys is this full clear heroic to get the item or only last boss anyone can confirm it ?

[royal lantern]

it lierally says degeat ansurek

😄

[eager tree]

!sim

damn