assassination

[keen tartan]

my brain is too small for that

[safe shale]

Yeah been there xD

Nah its all godo

[haughty flicker]

its ok that fucker gets me on hunter every time

[keen spruce]

I think your 2nd KB was late during your deathmark too

idk if they're getting out of sync

[safe shale]

Was saying did you KB, just as she moves out the way for the mechanic?

[haughty flicker]

i send my sentinel owl and the dude charges away

[keen spruce]

KB was sent then boss hopped away

[storm hedge]

Sorry that just seems like an overkill for something that doesn't even save you a slot on bars

[safe shale]

Yeah i did that on first pull and mentally waited from there onwards, easy mistake

[summer cape]

still not what i asked for, if u can't help no need to answer :V

[keen spruce]

@keen tartan oh yeah so it looks like you delayed your 2nd KB a bit. so it wasn't up for your 2nd deathmark.

you Deathmarked at 2:22 but didn't KB until 2:36 after DM ended

I'm not super in tune with the spec anymore but i'm pretty sure that's not supposed to be like that

[keen tartan]

thats ok im actually the fire mage pretending to be my rogue friend for advice because hes too shy to come in here

[keen spruce]

boooo far away players

yeah it looks like they delayed their 2nd KB

[haughty flicker]

standing on the opposite side of the room from the raid for no reason goes hard though

[safe shale]

What gets me, is the fire parsing 90

[keen spruce]

just have them focus on making sure they use their CDs as soon as available to make sure they stay sync'd. And focus on those burst windows. Getting all of that right is the main gains

[keen tartan]

it will stay this way sorry bros i hate energy classes but respect the grind

[safe shale]

and being behind the arcane parsin 70.

[keen tartan]

ikr lol

wait which one

there was 2 fire mages

[haughty flicker]

arcane getting double tapped next week

[keen tartan]

i think i only parsed 81

[haughty flicker]

its all good

[keen tartan]

this is so cooked bros

[mint valve]

Has blizzard said when they will fix ER and death stalker bug?

[keen tartan]

[safe shale]

The fire mage parsin 90, behind an arcane pasing 70, shows what needs nerfed and buffed

WILD

[storm hedge]

It's fixed

[safe shale]

Fixed 3 days ago bro

2*

[mint valve]

LOL

[shadow patio]

Ilvl?

[keen spruce]

5 mages in that raid

[mint valve]

Im cooked

[keen spruce]

my nightmare

[shadow patio]

12 lives

[safe shale]

Thats no ilvl parse, thats just actual parse

[shadow patio]

Ilvls 599

[mint valve]

So we take points of out of lethality and put into ER now?

[keen tartan]

ye its the overal parse of dmg on that boss irregardless of ilvl

[shadow patio]

You can see the ilvls tho ones like 12 more than the other

[keen tartan]

anyway sorry to clutter this with mage talk

[safe shale]

Point is that arcane mage is bad, and did more damage than a good fire, thats crazy

[cobalt sphinx]

79 isn't bad wtf

[shadow patio]

Lmao

[safe shale]

OK IN COMPARISON

[languid ginkgo]

what would be the easiest delve to do as assa, and are there any tipsand tricks for doing them easily?

[safe shale]

to the fire

[shadow patio]

Bro you’re comparing someone with almost 15 more ilvls

That dude has no gear

[safe shale]

One player was clearly better than the other, by a good bit, but the damage breakdown is wildly different - ARCANE OP

[shadow patio]

I’m not defending arcane but bad comparison

[keen tartan]

huh

[safe shale]

You are not listening

[shadow patio]

He’s like 583 Ilvl???

[safe shale]

Im not ilevel parsing

[keen tartan]

the person with higher ilvl did LESS dmg than the arcane

[shadow patio]

What am I missing

[keen tartan]

he is talking about a diff fire mage

not me

he clicked the actual logs

[safe shale]

Yes, talking about the damage diff in spec, not the player performance

[keen tartan]

cptemfire or something

not tynder

[shadow patio]

You guys do see that the arcane here has 15 more ilvls right?

12*

[keen tartan]

ill just.. screenshot what hes talking abt

[shadow patio]

Okay if you’re talking about something did

Dif*

Myb

[keen tartan]

do u have it handy theres 12 there i cba sifting through

[safe shale]

It doesnt matter, xD the arcane had a 72 ilvl parse, which imo isnt amazing, and was still pumping, is my point

[keen tartan]

here @shadow patio

[safe shale]

arcane needs nerfed

BACK TO ROGUE STUFF

[keen tartan]

parse % has nothing to do with ilvl

[safe shale]

Yes it does

there is parse, and ilvl parse

Compares you with people the same ilvl as you

28% of the other arcane mages at his level played better

[cobalt sphinx]

these pics make fire look playable

[mint valve]

For m+ do we just take 1 point out of lethality and put it into ER?

[safe shale]

I was just making a small point, and its gone on way to long because someone clearly misread what was said, its cool though

[cobalt sphinx]

i was under the impression that fire is not playable

[safe shale]

It is not

You should see the rest of the log

That mage is decent clearly

[keen tartan]

im saying the ilvl has nothing to do with what ur talking about shy as the parse % is damage across all fire mages regardless of ivl on that boss, and he performed in the top 10percentile whereas arcane was top 30% and so even tho he put more work in and played better than 90% of other fire mages he was worse than the arcane who only blue parsed

[keen tartan]

yeh hes my friend

merivoid

[woven torrent]

if im basilcy bricked and my cd's are up do i wait until i get one Envenom out to send them ?

[keen tartan]

we're agreeing with eachother

:p

im p sure

[plucky fable]

hello, someone can help me with a macro ?
Im a night elf and want to use shadowmelt into stealth

#showtooltip
/use [combat] Shadowmeld
/use !Stealth

with this macro i just enter in stealth and my passive didnt work 😦

[safe shale]

I meant cpt

[keen tartan]

oh ye he was cracked

[safe shale]

Mervoid was carried by ilvl there

[keen tartan]

he gave me some tips ive taken a break from mage since s3

[cobalt sphinx]

idk how you can get pressed over 70 vs 90 anyway

its basically the same

[storm hedge]

Depending on the length of the fight usually delaying CDs for a few seconds doesn't matter. And you want 100% envenom uptime during KB. So yea

[keen tartan]

fatigue. we both started the raid about 5 hrs ago lol that cpt guy joined for last boss

[safe shale]

I think the point was the difference between specs not the actual parse itself

[keen tartan]

nah im a parse whore if i dont have oranges on my wowhead by end of season i uninstall

[safe shale]

5 hour raid? damn

Get them orange on prog 😉

[keen tartan]

i have uni and then work tomorrow so last chance for vault and tokens

not catalysts

tier tokens

[keen spruce]

why no pink or gold

[mint valve]

Should you shiv the kingsbane target in aoe for m+? Or is it waste of global?

I watched a streamer skip the shiv on multiple big pulls

[keen spruce]

m+ is a lot more fluid

and variable

technically you should

for the most damage on that target

but it's not that important

[haughty flicker]

mfw i lost my deathstalkers mark on first boss for like 20% of his hp and still parsed an 82

im so mad

[mint valve]

How do you lose death stalkers mark?

[haughty flicker]

i played bad

during feeding we took forever

and i didnt just send an envenom into him to keep it up

[fleet pagoda]

I was dead on nexus-princess for 50 seconds and came up with a 77 feelsbadman, missed opportunity

[mint valve]

If you open with ambush will it stay on the target forever?

Ambush from stealth is the only way to apply death stalkers right?

[fleet pagoda]

if you don't have Darkest Night active, yeah. if won't stay on the target forever, no

it's a fairly long duration but the first boss' intermission would probably erode it with no chance of recovery without saving vanish to ambush it back up

[mint valve]

To keep the mark on the target you just have to send a 5+ combo point envenom into it before debuff wears off?

[haughty flicker]

with dn yes

well

no actually

[fleet pagoda]

it's a singular debuff with 3 stacks, reducing a stack doesn't refresh the duration

[haughty flicker]

has to be 7 cp

or an er combo point

[mint valve]

Ohh so you have to full cycle it to darkness night

[snow harness]

5+, 5+, last one needs 7CP

[mint valve]

And reset it back? To refresh it?

[haughty flicker]

yeah you use 3 stacks, get dn, 7cp to refresh

[mint valve]

How much time do you have to do that??

[fleet pagoda]

30 seconds?

[haughty flicker]

dn lasts 30s

[keen tartan]

I settle for orange I strive for pink

[fleet pagoda]

I guess if you activate DN before intermission begins you could cycle it on the intermission trash

[mint valve]

Sorry if these are dumb questions and probably availabe in the wowhead guide

[keen tartan]

Jk I’ve never had more than orange on heroics

Only on normals have I hit pinks

[haughty flicker]

yeah i was using dn on trash

[mint valve]

Okok thank you

[keen tartan]

I had gold dmg parse as resto druid once

[haughty flicker]

but then during feeding time we took too long and i didnt have vanish

[mint valve]

And death stalkers mark is giga damage for your ST prio?

[haughty flicker]

and i didnt just send an envenom into him

[fleet pagoda]

ah I see, makes sense

[cobalt sphinx]

you can probably mark him while hes immune

[haughty flicker]

yeah you can

[fleet pagoda]

yeah definitely don't wanna lose it, or if you know you'll lose it have a plan to regain it (vanish)

[haughty flicker]

i just didnt think to

[mint valve]

Kk thanks guys 🩷

Since ER bug is fixed are we taking one point out of lethality and putting it into resounding clarity?

[novel star]

ye

[keen spruce]

!ui

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[keen tartan]

@keen spruce you about? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3VLwJXNTCaBnGR1z#fight=91&type=damage-done

Would appreciate

❤️

Ignore the fact it’s Lfr he just wants to know what he can improve on rotation

[zenith tree]

I thought there was a talent that makes tricks threat swap last an hour or am I crazy?

[cobalt sphinx]

in sub

[keen spruce]

specific rotation stuff i wont' be much help. I haven't played since DF s3

[naive sage]

Is our tier set just dogshit?

[spice surge]

Yep

[naive sage]

Unlucko bucko ig

[spice surge]

Although a lot of classes are this tier

[woven torrent]

why tf would he ever do that sequence ..The sims never vasnishes for improved garrot.. but instead just sends a ambush even on 6+ cp?

[keen tartan]

No worries thank u for earlier anyway

[spice surge]

It doesnt have imp garrote

[woven torrent]

Ehh

yes he does

[spice surge]

If youre simming with the default ST with 2x vv

[tawny pawn]

Question is the fix actually live?

cause even with Resounding Clarity

Lethality still sims better for me

[warm shuttle]

anyone know the specifics of when to cold blood on fatebound ?

i know it's for envenom but cna i just macro it or do i need to use it at a specific timing

[kindred flare]

Might not be simming properly, but with optimal play clarity will be better. Smooths out mark and darkest night gameplay.

[whole sand]

you can't during your opening because it eats edge case, or the other way around i forget

[spice surge]

The fix is in simc yep

[warm shuttle]

wdym?

[indigo mulch]

I'm always impressed how fast those things get fixed by the simc dev team. D:

[spice surge]

or well, assuming youre simming with latest (its probably on nightly as well)

[novel star]

Macro it to envenom but have a separate envenom bind for the opener

you have to press the unmacrod envenom once before cds and once after

to set up buff and to flip edgecase

then you cold blood to reflip edgecase

and vanish to double reflip on the 2nd cb charge

for 4 edge case flips

[warm shuttle]

ye im good ill just play deathstalker

on second thoughts

[haughty flicker]

based

[slow tulip]

😆

[indigo mulch]

[novel star]

it sounds cringe but it’s really not that bad

i hit shift+2 instead of 2, twice per pull

big deal

[indigo mulch]

its way easier to play around flip edgecase than it is playing around mark.

lol

[novel star]

[novel star]

literally

same every time you just hit a different bind twice and then never think about it again

[indigo mulch]

Yup.

[novel star]

it’s mad easy

and gives u giga opener burst

[indigo mulch]

Stupid mark you have to legit use your brain to figure out if your going to lose it or not. 😐 god forbidd dying without vanish up.

[urban moat]

Lose it ? You'd need to not hit for a long time no?

[haughty flicker]

just dont die

ez

[indigo mulch]

Was doing heroic nexus princess, i was wondering why my dmg was so low then i realized i didn't have any poisons on.

[novel star]

ain’t no way

[whole sand]

and here we are

[inland escarp]

Lmao happens to me in open world

[whole sand]

talking about mark

[haughty flicker]

who is mark

[inland escarp]

“Why do I have no energy!” …”oh”

[indigo mulch]

You can lose it through intermissions and immune phases.

[indigo mulch]

If your not careful that is.

[warm shuttle]

@novel star anywhere i can see a guide on that stuff u were saying, the wowhead kinda glosses over it

[urban moat]

"Where's my cuastic spatter?" (Happened to me on brood)

[novel star]

the fatebound opener image should cover it

it doesn’t show cb icon until after the 2nd envenom

[indigo mulch]

Yes, cause you running cuastic spatter on a single target fight is prob something that would happen! 😄

[upper wraith]

i like to caustic spatter my wife

[whole sand]

[novel star]

it sounds a lot more complicated when u write out the purpose of delaying cb

but the reality is you press without macro twice and it just kind of works out

the vanish env auto lines up with imp garrote timing anyway etc

[whole sand]

i mean you're dealing with some shit either way, sin life

[indigo mulch]

Hopefully next patch it will be even easier. Then you can legit just macro KB with cb and all good. For fatebound enjoyers atleast.

[novel star]

yeh

[novel star]

yeh

i mean it’s prolly worse overall

to hold cb for kb

but not by a lot

surely

[whole sand]

either some gambler shit, or you have to fight against blizzard forgetting you exist and save vanish

meanwhile sub just gets to play the video game on DS

[indigo mulch]

I'm starting to hate that boss more and more. :x

[novel star]

i like it

[warm shuttle]

which tree is higher dps in m+ actually

[novel star]

ds

but it’s a different dmg profile

[indigo mulch]

Even on normal it refuses to give me a good log 😦

[novel star]

fatebound has better aoe pad

[indigo mulch]

[novel star]

deathstalker better prio to the point where it wins overall dmg

despite having a little less aoe

[warm shuttle]

i see

[indigo mulch]

Deathstalker has more defensivness as well so its much better suited for m+

[novel star]

^

that’s the big one rly

[warm shuttle]

what are the quirks with ds that u guys were upset about

only having 1 vanish charge or?

(not trying to piss u off just curious)

new to the class

[novel star]

all the issues i had are fixed now

[indigo mulch]

To be fair, playing double vanish is not bad at all. Maybe not max dmg tbh but having double vanish is very helpful when your tank chainpulls

[novel star]

7cp envenoming low hp targets would scam your DN buff, fixed

[indigo mulch]

It also give you more mob control with iron wire.

[soft surge]

i dont understand these dungeon slice comparrisons in the pins. which build should i take for +2-+5 keys

[novel star]

and ER not interacting, fixed

[whole sand]

i feel like the application process is a bit needlessly strict but its an annoyance more than it is an actual problem

[indigo mulch]

DS hybrid i would say would be the optimal way until you completly outgear the content ;o

[novel star]

the whole point of listing all the sims like that is that they’re very close together and you can pick a lot of different things and be fine. But just go ds hybrid resounding (or fb hybrid idc) it’s safest

[warm shuttle]

how so

[indigo mulch]

My fatebound is still not simming as high as my DS so i can't swap yet but i will swap to fatebound when i get a bit more crit ;C

I hate having to deal with the mark.

[whole sand]

feel like they designed it around sin still having shadowdance

[novel star]

you can just play fatebound without the sim being ahead tho

[urban moat]

Is it normal that mobs in Tirna's maze get me out of invisibility when they spawn ?

[indigo mulch]

Less braincells used for rotational issues = more focus on not getting clapped by the bosses D;

[whole sand]

basically if it -drops-, you need to be able to enter stealth to reapply, in normal rotation its fine, its just niche shit

[heavy vessel]

!wa

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[deft shore]

They probably did honestly - Whispyr basically hit this one on the head when he said rogue hero talents were launched as some strange pre-alpha state that was never iterated upon

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sudden hound]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[open sleet]

had my log stuck on this message and I couldn't be more grateful to be alive

[dense cove]

Did they fix ER and mark interaction?

[spice surge]

Yes

[karmic gazelle]

Fatebound bad ?

[dense cove]

Hell yes. Feels good!!!!!!

[heavy vessel]

does an animacharged finisher reapply deathmark now?

or does it have to be raw 7cp

[indigo mulch]

no

[spring moat]

was doing a pug on my healer.. 12 wipes and the group disbanded.. some people just big bad

[novel star]

that boss was definitely a lot for a dungeon but i liked it

[spring moat]

oh youre stuck.. not meeeee

[karmic gazelle]

Okay cause looking into playing/leveling rogue to 71 since hearing lowest melee spec rn

[spring moat]

is it normal to be pooling energy waiting for bleeds and/or envenom to wear down?

[novel star]

wym

[spring moat]

just auto attacking. after bleeds applied and envenom ticking

snd plenty of time on it

[indigo mulch]

Rogues arent doing super will on single target, m+ is a different story though.

[shy marten]

is there a sim or numbers on how much assa gains on prio damage with cleave?

[warm shuttle]

any way of applying deathstalkers mark with ambush

im walking into a pack and by the time i get in range for ambush it aa's and i lose the proc

so annoying

surely there is some way around this other than needlessly spamming it

[shy marten]

you should be applying DM with full CP envenoms

most of the time

using the DN proc

also turn off auto auto attacking i guess

[warm shuttle]

na i mean the ambush

to apply dm

[shy marten]

my character does not attack unless i tell it to

even if i am in melee range and targeting the mob

[warm shuttle]

weird

if im targetted on smth it instntly starts aa'ing if in range

[whole sand]

have you tried left clicking

[spice surge]

Do you have /startattack macroed to your ambush or something

[warm shuttle]

ye, even when left clicked

[warm shuttle]

nope

just regular spell on hotbar

thats not even the problem tho its that im aa'ing before i can even get the ambush off

[whole sand]

i mean if you're spamming a spell out of range it'll put you into aa i guess

but not in stealth

[shy marten]

dont press spells unless you want to cast them?

[warm shuttle]

?

[whole sand]

like i don't think this is a problem with ambush

you're doing something funky

[remote ermine]

Is brood gonna be pushed out of trinket rotation with the upcoming nerf?

[warm shuttle]

think u might be right

been playing for too long ill look tmo xD

thanks 4 tryin anyways

[warm shuttle]

nvm this worked, gg

u were completely right

[whole sand]

[shy marten]

right click initiates auto attacking

[warm shuttle]

yeah HAHAH

dunno how i never knew this

i just used lc and rc in the same manner

[shy marten]

you can see the targeting reticle turns red

when you right click

and there's like a puffing up animation

[warm shuttle]

yup

[whole sand]

i guess if you're new to rogue and stealth you'd never of had to think of it before

[warm shuttle]

yea literally

how do i get 3k+ on multiple specs and never know that

[shy marten]

if you played a range class like hunter you'd know tho

[warm shuttle]

laughing at myself currently

[shy marten]

you'd just start attack them rather than just targeting

that would be really bad for accidentally pulling stuff

[waxen oyster]

love the hunter buttpull

[whole sand]

seems on par for hunters tho

[shy marten]

it's okay there are much much worse

[waxen oyster]

they need to add more bosses like fyrak

who instakill ranged that pull early

[warm shuttle]

preciate it brotha

[waxen oyster]

true or true

[raven dew]

if im only fighting a single enemy, are there times ill still run out of energy? or if im doing everything right will i always have energy to cast mutilate when i need to?

[shy marten]

i think if you type !design

it says you will run out of energy

[raven dew]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[waxen oyster]

Rogue used to be a pooling class

[raven dew]

thank you!!

[waxen oyster]

nowadays outlaw is full gas pedal

[raven dew]

ah interesting!

[shy marten]

outlaw into RSI pipeline is real

[waxen oyster]

Never had any pains

[whole sand]

if you remember when it wasn't called outlaw you probably shouldn't be playing outlaw anymore

[waxen oyster]

combat sucked

fight me

[scarlet spade]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[gentle apex]

Is there a pandemic timer for envenom

[inland escarp]

Hurts to admit you’re right

[whole sand]

[knotty musk]

did you guys use your runed crests to craft the wrist/belt already

[waxen oyster]

No

[vapid skiff]

I used pvp crafts for embellish wrist/belt

[brave blaze]

quick question, are we using fan of knives on Court boss or are we just using mutilate?

[tired gull]

Is that an old joke?

[ashen scroll]

is there an optimization to not double tea during lust opener, and save double tea for your second DM since you're not lusted? or does it straight up not matter * ST raid*

[vapid skiff]

its hard to make use of the energy in tea for lust i have not been using double tea in lust so far

afaik tea is bascially only used for the energy so no problem just using one to keep it recharging

and then the energy will actually matter for 2nd deathmark

[ashen scroll]

ok that makes sense

[queen cove]

Hey! When should I use envenom with only 1 combo point? Or is it not worth it?

[ashen scroll]

never

unless its like, boss dies in 1 global and you got 1 gcd left. but even then idk if that's even worth

[queen cove]

Thanks

[ashen scroll]

my sim uses double tea at 3 min with a 2 shivs and a kingsbane, but that just feels strange. i'll probably keep doing double tea on 2nd DM. unless theres something im not getting

[crimson wigeon]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[upper wraith]

How much gain is 4pc tier for dps?

[shy marten]

is rogue's long arms gone?

[ashen scroll]

ya

[nocturne quail]

It’s mastery

[ashen scroll]

ya but wouldnt you want the extra mastery to cover more of your DM window

[shy marten]

why do i feel so much easier to play as assa than on fdk

it feels like im less prone to losing uptime

[verbal crag]

everything is fine or my mastery is too high ?xd

[vapid skiff]

the thing is now with the changes its typically better to use for pure energy and ignore mastery

in s3 and s4 df it was so much dmg loaded into burst windows with dm kb

but now its shifted more into regular envenoms

[shy marten]

so if you have energy you dont tea in CD?

[vapid skiff]

so wasting energy in a deathmark is not good anymroe

you do if you are capped on charges

[shy marten]

im usually not running out of energy in AOE

[vapid skiff]

its basically with shiv when low on energy

[shy marten]

with all my ruptures going on im pretty good on the energy

[slate crown]

!stats don't think about it you're thinking too hard

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[vapid skiff]

which happens more often without bloodlust and without deathmark

[shy marten]

also am i supposed to always press shiv on CD

i mean for the non-CD ones

[vapid skiff]

and in aoe ye the energy goes crazy

[shy marten]

like between each KB i should just send shiv for fun if i odnt need the soothe?

[vapid skiff]

for ST with 2 charges you only use it with kb

[verbal crag]

aaa oki Ty :D

[shy marten]

i have only 1 charge

[ashen scroll]

ok got it. my solo kingsbane windows do feel a bit starved

[shy marten]

and im talking m+

sorry i was clear at the beginning

[vapid skiff]

ye solo kingsbane feels like the best place to use extra tea charges atm

[pearl ingot]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[cerulean nest]

how does ST feel since the bug fix?

I swapped sub in the meantime lol

[shy marten]

the mark fix?

it's so good

[cerulean nest]

ye

[shy marten]

it feels so so good

[vapid skiff]

not giga power but feeling wise amazing

[formal field]

so is AP+IC with no SD the top build for M+?

[shy marten]

are we not suppsoed to run sudden demise?

[vapid skiff]

depends on dungeon and key lvl i would say

[knotty musk]

wondering if there's anything i ought to save em for or just use. actually i do have the 3/6 hero dagger from the raid, maybe just upg that instead?

[shy marten]

higher end keys?

[vapid skiff]

lower key lvls full bleeed blast with sudden and AP is what i would go for personally

[formal field]

just wondering based off the sims posted in pins

[vapid skiff]

and higher end the poison heavy with DTB

[shy marten]

im running DTB as well atm

i've got this set up

[vapid skiff]

ye thats what i would go for in keys that are decently high

[shy marten]

i've been playing this since HC haha

[vapid skiff]

and if its low stuff when shit poofs i prefer this

[shy marten]

i dont wnat to do low keys

XD

if shit poofs my damag edoesn't matter anyway so i should be practicing the build for higher keys

[vapid skiff]

will you be spamming 9's for gear?

then the bleed heavier will probably be better

[shy marten]

i will do wahtever key i can get into and time

[vapid skiff]

when you start actually pushing the poison will likely pull ahead

[shy marten]

which one is the poison one?

[vapid skiff]

the one with mroe poison talents

[shy marten]

the poison bomb one that i have?

[vapid skiff]

ye poison bomb DTB having double poisons etc

[shy marten]

i see

[vapid skiff]

poison focused

yeeting poisons for more bleed dmg when low, more bleed focused

[shy marten]

i might be playing assa with an arcane and perhaps an aug

im thinking we will blast prio dam

[vapid skiff]

ye

will blast so much prio equal aoe will be in demand

[shy marten]

ok aug can you do equal aoe please

[vapid skiff]

lmao

[shy marten]

btw is it supposed to be better to mouseover rupture cleave targets because when i click over i'll lose hunt them down bonus damage

[spice surge]

Youll lose some damage but its not that big of a deal

[shy marten]

or does singular focus kinda cancel that out

cos i'll get 5% of my auto damage to my main target anyway via singular focus

[vapid skiff]

mouseover is good so yo ucan get full value cleave without dropping your main target

but not that big of a deal tbh

[shy marten]

i think i'll put mouseover on the rupture but i feel like it's just a minor improvement when i am able to do it

[blissful cosmos]

my death marks keeps disapearing on the silken court fight

[vapid skiff]

i have mouseover on most stuff but they still work normally aswell

[blissful cosmos]

is this normal?

[vapid skiff]

do you have another deathstalker rogue in your raid?

[blissful cosmos]

no

[hearty coral]

guys which ones are the buffs i should track for make some weak auras? thanks

[blissful cosmos]

is it suppose to swap targets?

by itself?

[vapid skiff]

from my experience so far mark can disappear for no apparent reason rarely

no

it cant swap by itself

[autumn rover]

Does oil of deep toxin do anything for us?

[vapid skiff]

you can consume it get DN

and reapply it to another target with that buff

or vanish and change it

[slate crown]

!wa there are several packs we recommend, but if you're making one yourself you could look at these packs for inspiration as to what is important

[prisma monolith]

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[vapid skiff]

otherwise its stuck on the target you applied to until it ies

or consumed

[hearty coral]

i have in mind the darknest night or something like that

what makes envenom a free cast right

slice and dice and mmm

[shy marten]

huh?

when is envenom a free cast

[hearty coral]

sorry, i meant empowered envenom

[nocturne mortar]

what enchant is best for m+ on weapon ?

[hoary fulcrum]

whats the best PI target?

is sin up there?

[shy marten]

atm im tracking:
darkest night duration
deathstalker's mark stacks
scent of blood
crimson tempest duration
caustic spatter duration
clear the witness procs
a shiv reminder for KB
and then my 4 main ones of
snd, env, rupt, garr

like this

oh i guess alacrity is there too but i haven't really been playing around it at all

[west crown]

Like top 10 iirc

[haughty flicker]

it is a spec that exists in the same game as the spell pi

[spice spire]

Playing around alacrity in the year of our lord 2024 would be a sin

[shy marten]

guess i'll just disable it for now

that ambush icon i just made, it reminds me to press ambush when there's no mark, no DN and im in stealth

because it's been really grief when i dont have either and dont realise it

[wooden flare]

maybe im dumb, but I just have mutilate and ambush on the same button for stealth and not-stealth bars

[nocturne mortar]

is it good to craft 619 ilvl belt now with emblishment ?

[shy marten]

i do this as well, is that wrong?

[wooden flare]

I don't think so, I thought you were saying you needed a reminder to ambush

[snow harness]

What addon could you guys recommend for me to keep track of my bleed timers, SnD, Darkest Night?

[shy marten]

i need it so that i remember to ambush instead of opening with garrote and be left hanging with no mark up

[silent drift]

Does it matter if you're meleeing a boss from the back or the front?

or is that a myth

[shy marten]

i think raid bosses still parry?

[vapid skiff]

they dont always parry but when they do its kingsbane 🫡

yes still 3% parry from front

[shy marten]

i remember that you want to attack from iridikron's butt because he's a raid boss and can parry in m+

[spice spire]

No

[spice spire]

Always hit the boss from the back big dog

[shy marten]

except in m+ where things can't parry

(except those weird raid boss edge cases)

[vapid skiff]

ye except iridikron because he is a bitch

[haughty flicker]

holy fuck i accidentally joined a ragnaros guild run for heroic

this is going to be interesting

[vapid skiff]

amount of lost kingsbanes and lost envenom overlaps to that fucker when farming the daggers in s3

[spice surge]

Dawnbreaker last boss can also parry

[spice spire]

I was about to say are we sure rashanan ain’t parrying

[spice surge]

As could odyn in halls of valor

[spice spire]

Fuck

Fuck

[spice surge]

Very fun

[spice spire]

Fuck

[fallow canopy]

oh that's cursed

[spice spire]

Eleem

Why you gotta steal my thunder

[shy marten]

that's cos it's a raid boss right?

[spice surge]

Sure

[spice spire]

Ye

[spice surge]

Yep

[shy marten]

kinda cringe

[spice spire]

Oh hey king how u doing

[shy marten]

can we attack it from behind

or will the darkness consume us

[spice spire]

Not in the first phase

Pretty sure behind is the sky

[fallow canopy]

we just need wings then

ez

[spice spire]

True

[cunning needle]

wings is up

[spice spire]

[shy marten]

what about in the last phase

[spice spire]

Think you can shimmy the side

Just pray you don’t get webbed

[fallow canopy]

yea shiv his ribs

[spice spire]

[haughty flicker]

[vapid skiff]

[fallow canopy]

[slate crown]

Alacrity

[spice spire]

Y r u such a hater big dog

Wtf

[slate crown]

I know I saw you were wholesome

I had to balance it out a tad

[spice spire]

Damn

I’m always wholesome tho

[vapid skiff]

how do you change the hero talent icon next to your name here?

[hollow hemlock]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[slate crown]

Last pin in the pin list

[spice spire]

#bot-spam also what le said

wait no not that one

id:customize ?

yep it's the second one

[vapid skiff]

ty 🫡

[frozen iris]

Only subtlety/

?

[quartz halo]

Any idea when wow analyzer is gonna be up for assassination?

[spice spire]

it's been fixed for us already

[spice spire]

it's probably going to be a bit

[balmy condor]

honestly

[vapid skiff]

it works for ass aswell

[balmy condor]

probably never

[spice spire]

LMAO NVM

it's a lot of upkeep

[balmy condor]

topple's not doing it anymore I think

[spice spire]

oh good for him

[balmy condor]

and I can't be fucked

[frozen iris]

Wait so the bug is fixed? So we can run the the echo + reverb?

[spice spire]

seriously

that man was way too helpful

yeah check pins, blackjack

[frozen iris]

I thought i had

[native nimbus]

a beautiful moment in time, truly

[shy marten]

It feels so good to play with this

[opal chasm]

i'm so conflicted friends, double dawnthread embellies to be safe, or just ascension it out >.>

Im rocking heroic and normal regicide atm

[pliant remnant]

Truly one of the moments of all time

[zenith rune]

Is it 'wrong' to go for boots/belt for embellish crafts? I got an heroic crit/mastery bracer with socket from Delves

[crimson wigeon]

is raidbots simming broken?

im simming 190k ST which I can assure is not accurate.

[whole sand]

link

[marsh dragon]

did they make animacharged combo points consume a stack for deathstalkers??

[crimson wigeon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dP1xnh7kALCJS3CMdNFLm2

looks like my simulation craft addon is broken, pulling normal when i pull just my name

[plush vessel]

it says you dont have talents XD

[crimson wigeon]

yea, it looks like wowup Simulationcraft addon is not updating do War Within so i gotta figure that out

[balmy condor]

THE ONE TALENT

[crimson wigeon]

we shived

[balmy condor]

shadowheart worth 190k dps?????

[crimson wigeon]

oh i didnt even notice shadowheart lmao

we're so back
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cRZmHvmbK49g6dsVmfSJJt

[heavy sentinel]

anyone around and bored tryna look over my logs and give me some tips?

[frigid pilot]

THIS SHIT is so cringe

on ansurek heroic

ball goes to the middle on intermission

cant pick it up

or jump while being puilled and it fucks u up

[haughty flicker]

yeah i refuse to ever use that trinket

if i get it ever im disenchanting it

[inner swift]

in the fatebound build, if one does not want to play sanguine blades , rapid injection is the choice?

[frigid pilot]

bro its -20k if idrop it but its absolutely bait

[winged widget]

!wa

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[golden quarry]

anyone know how many gilded crests a m+9 gives

[oak ember]

Do we still spam envenom during shiv or do we just maintain now that energy regen is lower

[nocturne quail]

in st?

[ashen rover]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[nocturne quail]

there ya go

[oak tangle]

how do peeps feel about cttc?

and more so, we have to wait for 11.5 for it

[haughty flicker]

dude caustic on rasha'nan is so troll

i cant hit these adds word a shit with it

[gilded oasis]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[balmy condor]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[somber hill]

do u want to be using double authorit of depths or put something else on oh?

[next geyser]

does refurbished tinker: plane displacer count as a vanish?

[balmy condor]

idk what that is

but it does not count, no

[hollow blade]

anyone know if engineer has 100% chance for brez item?

or do i need to spec into smth

[hallow pelican]

Rotational question regarding that Bug ... Do I not vanish at the end of the KB with shiv to max out the bleed dmg? Im guessing I hold the vanish?

[blissful cosmos]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[hallow pelican]

yeah that doesnt really answer the question if Im already playing imp garotte

[next geyser]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=225242/refurbished-tinker-plane-displacer

feelsbad

[oak tangle]

i would assume that invis =/= stealth

[next geyser]

thanks for the answers guys appreciate it

[weary spear]

question. when playing sanguine blades, do i priority a 150+ garotte reapply - or envenom uptime? if that makes sense

[lament adder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm urchin]

wait so am i tripping or did the buff brann by 125% again?

[weary spear]

like if i'm at 100 energy and need to reapply garrote as well as hit an envenom, do i pool to 150 - garrote, then pool for envenom chain again

[warm urchin]

or did they just include yesterdays hotfix into todays?

[next geyser]

trying to see how i lost to someone but am not super good at reading warcraftlogs yet, would someone mind telling me what i did wrong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/7FcbNPmxvzJtM83D/self#fight=21,21&source=127,129

i got out-parsed on pretty much every fight

[balmy condor]

I'm assuming you're two shiv, but dawg you are like spamming bleeds idk whats happening

[fast olive]

can i shadowstep queen after wrest pull to stop the momentum?

[balmy condor]

like you garrote twice here

[fast olive]

or do i just die if i do that

[balmy condor]

yes

but there's a minimum distance

you need to still be far away

or else it just doesn't go off

[fast olive]

is it hard to time

[balmy condor]

no

or here, double rup

for no reason

[next geyser]

i see

[balmy condor]

you're also full spamming bleeds during the intermission

they aren't alive long enough for that

like it's probably fine

but should probably get in the habit of trying to envenom the ones that don't live that long

and then after intermission.......

wait

[next geyser]

yeah that makes sense, i was wondering why i had more ruptures, i must be miscasting them

[weary spear]

for ulgrax intermission would you just get a caustic up and envenom? and is KB a waste?

[balmy condor]

yeah you just didn't have mark up for the start of the phase

so you just got bent

[next geyser]

that might have been a cursed pull

idr

[balmy condor]

KB during intermission sounds gigashit

[weary spear]

lol

[balmy condor]

the adds barely are alive long enough to get rup mut envenom

[haughty flicker]

2 seconds of kb on add

pog

[balmy condor]

what are you doing with kb

[vagrant brook]

more kb casts

[balmy condor]

YOOOOOOOO

instant kb damage

go CRAZY

[rotund oak]

no spatter to spatter

[haughty flicker]

tech is to go thrown precision and farm dn resets for clear the witnesses

trust

[rotund oak]

🧠

[balmy condor]

anyway yeah it's just diff in mark/rup/env

seems fine though

[next geyser]

appreciate the look brother, your content is really helpful

[vagrant brook]

parsing on that fight is just about not letting mark go with the boss when he afks

[balmy condor]

or playing fatebound

but apparently no one does that

[rotund oak]

the best u can do in ulgrax is proc DN and reset it on an add,proc it again on the boss after intermission

[haughty flicker]

all my homies hate fatebound

[balmy condor]

community seems absolutely allergic to playing fatebound

and then complains about marks

I do not understand

[haughty flicker]

its pretty funny actually

1 parse in top 100 as fatebound on that boss

and thats more than most bosses

[vagrant brook]

only play DS

[balmy condor]

I mean idk if you were there bel, I killed ansurek and pulled up logs

[hallow pelican]

but but ... Deathstalker SOUNDS cooler

[balmy condor]

I was 1/5 fatebound kills

[rotund oak]

after ER is gone we will be forced to fatebound dw

[oak tangle]

what is DN if not deez nuts

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

lmao, i left before you killed but ye i saw the fatebound play

[vagrant brook]

ER was bugged and we still played DS

so idk

[balmy condor]

Yeah but why

[rotund oak]

more dmg

[balmy condor]

Fatebound was equal or even better for most

[vagrant brook]

cause +0.2% dmg brooo

[rotund oak]

[gilded oasis]

I played FB so I didnt have to think

[vagrant brook]

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[haughty flicker]

i havent even tried it yet tbh, no particular reason

[balmy condor]

Fatebound was +0.2%

[haughty flicker]

i just like how ds plays with er/rc

[balmy condor]

No one played it

[next geyser]

fatebound thematically doesn't seem as interesting, the coin flip even with cheating just feels too rng. i'm definitely willing to try it.

[balmy condor]

The burst on fatebound is frankly criminal

[vagrant brook]

fatebound sounds too much like outlaw and we don't like outlaw in this channel

[balmy condor]

I can’t explain it

People want more burst, then play the non burst

People complain about er, then play er

People complain about mark, then play mark

[gilded oasis]

people just want to complain

[haughty flicker]

who is mark

[gilded oasis]

some guy in my old guild. prety good warrior

[haughty flicker]

mark sounds pretty cool

[balmy condor]

Like at every turn the playerbase had the option to just play fatebound and do the same damage they do now but without the headache

[rotund oak]

its like ur family bro,they make ur life miserable because they ''care''

[balmy condor]

And everyone collectively decided to be angry instead

[haughty flicker]

the people who dont like ds and continue playing it are very funny

[vagrant brook]

i've been playing with tiny toxic blade and i can say free shivs go hard

[balmy condor]

Ttb is chill yeah

[haughty flicker]

i will say i felt like shit on ulgrax when i messed up and dropped mark in intermission though so next week i might clear as fatebound

[strange python]

i feel like shit on silken only doing like 1.2-1.4m dps

[haughty flicker]

im not going to mention how much damage i do

because its not good

im still relearning rogue

[next geyser]

is the dps difference between the two mostly negligible?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[next geyser]

i see

[balmy condor]

I probably mythic as deathstalker and heroic as fatebound

[next geyser]

with rng in mind, i assume there are times when fb outperforms?

[strange python]

what talents are you running for silken whispyr? i played around with tons lastnight

[haughty flicker]

idk what the difference in mythic is yet

[balmy condor]

It’s probably better on average

[haughty flicker]

but also im just pugging heroic for the foreseeable future anyway so we just chilling

[balmy condor]

I wasn’t there for mythic

Sorry

For court

[haughty flicker]

maybe i stop being lazy and apply to guilds but kind of a bit late to do that lmao

[strange python]

ik ment hero

sorry

[spice spire]

Nah you can probably app to a few

Guarantee someone came in with 23 and have had people already quit

[slate crown]

all they know is eat hot chip and lie

[balmy condor]

The thing about court is on heroic you can stack them

And on mythic you can’t

[haughty flicker]

ye true

[balmy condor]

So whatever talents end up being good in heroic

[haughty flicker]

i'll have to look into it tomorrow

[balmy condor]

You would probably change it out

[strange python]

yeah. splatter was doing alot of dmg for me but with the jumping around ect was annoying putting up bleeds on other

[balmy condor]

Like CT probably bangs on heroic (people are allergic to that too)

But on mythic no shot you play CT

[gilded oasis]

plz, you have already seen the math on why CS is far superior to CT

[vale jolt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[strange python]

yeah i didnt try CT so maybe thats an option for tonight

[slate crown]

I jsut know with the ER changes I will no longer have my animacharged backhand slap so no more deathstalker for me at that point i'm afraid

[haughty flicker]

watching whispyr get one guyed by twitch chat mid prog was sick

[spice spire]

Blud missed cannon

[rotund oak]

same

[slate crown]

crayons

[blazing jewel]

App to consequence I will personally approve “makeitquake”

[rotund oak]

[next geyser]

gonna go run some dungeons, thanks for the advice. i'm gonna try out fb and see how i like it

[spice spire]

My ass is TRASH dog no shot

[next geyser]

take care all ❤️

[spice spire]

That’s not what I said

[blazing jewel]

Whole lot of turbulence on that thing

[spice spire]

Bigzeke owns me dog

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

[gilded oasis]

🤓 akschually

[balmy condor]

Actually this one guy spammed CT and did less damage

So CT sucks

[gilded oasis]

spamming CT isnt the play??

[runic hinge]

True

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

That’s just more Ct dots buddy

Get woke

[haughty flicker]

ct works like new ttk right

[blazing jewel]

Sepsis the boss hello? Big spatter dam fr

[haughty flicker]

ironfur bleeds pog

[balmy condor]

I liked the part where after I gave up guy said something along the lines of “it’s easy to see who’s padding aoe” when the entire convo was about getting more aoe

[spice spire]

Buddy im about to give you a bigger spatter

Ya feel me

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

[vagrant brook]

pov you play fatebound:

[balmy condor]

🤨

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

fatebound is 1.6% less for me

[blazing jewel]

Just flip better

[rotund oak]

that 3.3 looks big

[rotund oak]

ild flip u babe

like a pancake

[blazing jewel]

[plush fox]

Came back to wow from legion have only played shadow priest / pvp started playing assas rogue can someone answer some quick questions I got

[novel star]

preemptively saying to check if the wowhead guide has answers (it likely does)

but sure whats up

[plush fox]

I’ll make it tldr- sim my dps at around 816k - 2 min target dummy I’m at around 650-700k dps - on a boss I go from 0-900k down to around 650k - do the standard recccomended opener - follow correct talent tree etc. my thing is energy management

I think I’m over mutilating and it’s causing my energy to blow out what do you recommend for that

[rotund oak]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[plush fox]

Yeah so I thought like you wanna envenom with 5+ combo

Pretty much everytime ?

But then I find out u don’t do that

[rotund oak]

yup pretty much

[plush fox]

Hold up..

[whole sand]

you envenom to maintain the buff in its pandemic

you build to 5 combo, wait for pandemic, then envenom

[rotund oak]

yup

[whole sand]

there will be times you can't do that, so you build to five combos, and sit and build energy, ususally to 50-70%

[plush fox]

So am I losing energy etc because I’m spam doing it

[novel star]

yep

[whole sand]

yes

[plush fox]

Without realizing or waiting for that

[rotund oak]

yup

[plush fox]

Ooooooooo

[whole sand]

your goal is envenom uptime out of cds, not casts

[plush fox]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-zoolander-movie-movie-zoolander-ben-stiller-benstiller-gif-12169139201078736959

[novel star]

outside of cooldowns don't think of envenom as an instant damage ability

just another plate to spin

inside cds you mash it for dmg

outside you play for uptime like rup

[plush fox]

Yeah because I’m legit like

Spamming my shit and then min maxing my teas

[novel star]

mhm

[rotund oak]

smashing those muts and envenoms

[plush fox]

To try get perfect timing on that

[novel star]

minmax tea is to only ever use it inside shiv

[plush fox]

But then I shouldn’t be

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

so you can use energy to mash when its good to mash

[plush fox]

Like spriest is hella self explanatory even with talents

Asssaination a little more complicated with these silent stuff to look for etc

[rotund oak]

we practically need tea only for KB sub 8secs

[novel star]

ye

[plush fox]

Aight I gotta read up on this whole pandemic thing

[novel star]

lots of stuff on assassination is not as immediately obvious as other specs

mostly in aoe

[plush fox]

But this makes sense

[novel star]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[plush fox]

Goat mode

[novel star]

its the same mechanic

but tldr is basically just press envenom at like 1s or less on the buff

[plush fox]

Now i understand

[novel star]

[rotund oak]

apply the knowledge now fam

🤝

[plush fox]

Yeah cause I’m in this boss fight like BRUH WHAG DO I DO IM AUTO ATTACKING

[whole sand]

you will still be auto attacking, you'll just be auto attacking with purpose now

[plush fox]

Yeah

[whole sand]

its a weird spec

[rotund oak]

weird is sub

[plush fox]

I get it before I’m auto attacking cause I’m running out of energy and can’t mutilate 2x hit envenom instantly

[rotund oak]

there is little weird with sin

[weary spear]

can someone help see what i could do better on st ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CxvY4af6F2HRgJtM#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=12

[plush fox]

!shiv

[grave blade]

When tierset buff

[plush fox]

Can you give me like a super quick tldr of shiv and what’s the best time to use it

[whole sand]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

with double shiv press one before kb and one on the last 8s to cover full duration, with single shiv just cover the last 8s

but yeah this all should be in the guide >_<

[plush fox]

Yeah okay

That’s what I assumed

Or was doing

[novel star]

[plush fox]

Was just making sure

Thanks

[novel star]

glhf

[rotund oak]

bold to assume its getting buffed

[grave blade]

We have worst tier set in game. It's prob better to just get bis/ilvl and ignore set

[rotund oak]

yeah is pretty bad

[novel star]

well

we don't have the worst tierset

and our tierset is in our bis list

[sage mauve]

nooob question what is soft cap for mastery ? or is that even a thing anymore sorry im a returning wow player lol

[novel star]

but we can just say whatever we want and make it true

[grave blade]

1.7%? Or something with 4 set

[novel star]

definitely not the number

but again we can just say words for fun on the internet so fuck yeah let's go man

[grave blade]

We do tho

[novel star]

but

we don't?

[pliant remnant]

I heard our tier set heals the enemies we attack

Just something I read on the internet somewhere

[whole sand]

thats our bis crafted dagger

[rotund oak]

if u compare a 2p 600ilvl vs a Hero track piece u actually need to sim it though,bis list requires the highest ilvl on that tier set

not that simple

but ye,endgame sure

[novel star]

ofc

[rotund oak]

so its not only about spewing words aight? 😉

[grave blade]

We do. Us and survival hunter have the lowest simming 4 set bonus increase % of damage out of all classes/specs.

2.1% is the number

Other classes on avg get 5-6 and some as high as 13%

So when people get 4 set were basically gonna fall a bit. For sure in raid. M+ we be fine.

[haughty flicker]

ok one thing about ds i will say feels bad

is when dn is up

and you have er points on 3 and 5

and you hit 2 4 6

[hallow pelican]

literally every

single

time

[grave blade]

Don't use er. Use cold blood 😀

[haughty flicker]

no

i like everything else about er

just not that specifically

[grave blade]

Er is smelly

[haughty flicker]

because you hit more than you miss, and hitting feels nice af

[hallow pelican]

true but I like macroing it to KB and seeing 3.5 million crits

[weary spear]

@balmy condor can you tell me what i can do better sensei https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CxvY4af6F2HRgJtM#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=12

[rotund oak]

u have 91 on that parse,odds are there arent many things to talk about

[heavy sentinel]

so whats up with ilvl parses cause i got some 90s and 80s but the ilvl parse is like 40

[whole sand]

its not that deep, 60% of people at your ilvl did better

if your ilvl is over 605 theres probably only a few hundred parses, if that in some cases

[west crown]

Ilvl parse is the true skill expression

[slim pebble]

Basically if you killed the boss your parse is fine ❤️

[heavy sentinel]

i noticed ilvl parses tend to favor people with lower ilvls even myself when i started raiding again in s3 df

[whole sand]

that's not how it works, it doesn't 'favor' anything

[heavy sentinel]

yea but its easier to parse higher with lower ilvl

[shy pecan]

I wouldn't trust ilvl parses

They can be skewed by things like people not equipping a cloak for example

[west crown]

So if I can my cape off I can 100?

[whole sand]

i doubt that is happening right now tho

the less parses there are, it usually means the more nerdy the parses will be