assassination

[barren shuttle]

Buff you mean

[bleak crag]

Assa being really middle of the pack rn

Probably just wont be touch much

[subtle tundra]

idk man

i was told assa would be op

so nerf should be incoming

[wicked lynx]

[sturdy fable]

only in raid no, i think it does abit too much damage in m+

[bleak crag]

Even in m+ there is better and meta in high key is caster comps

Will be caster comps, most likely anyway

Output is decent but enhance or unholy seems.better, not sure about a good fury warrior either

[cursive flicker]

Ass doesn’t really need a nerf imo, and if it does then a small one. Blizzard has fury warriors and arcane mages to focus on rn

[bleak crag]

Enhancement getting hit pretty hard tho

[subtle tundra]

i think assa should get nerfed cause if it starts getting PI it will top every meter

[bleak crag]

It wont

There is better classes to pi

We are like 3rd on prio

[subtle tundra]

no shot

[weary spear]

lol why on earth would assa need a nerf right now.

[bleak crag]

Or 4th depending on timings

Most likely your raid doesnt run 4 priests

[subtle tundra]

when it gets tier assa will just dominate

[lament adder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cursive flicker]

Ass is getting PI if you’re in a guild raid and you’re also the best player, MAYBE lol

[bleak crag]

Tier is 2% dps

Chill

[weary spear]

this guy is clueless

just talking jibberish

[subtle tundra]

yea sure buddy

just watch it

the statistics

will prove it

[weary spear]

the statistics are out lol

[bleak crag]

Open warcraft logs and see for yourself

[slate crown]

They are not.

[bleak crag]

Esrly stats

[subtle tundra]

warcraft logs?

[cursive flicker]

Is outlaw not outperforming assassination in raid pretty consistently?

[spring moat]

when im looking for envenom in logs.. where am i looking? it just shows empty box

[bleak crag]

It is st the moment will see after nerfs

[cursive flicker]

Am I reading wrong?

[weary spear]

idk im just saying it doesnt feel like assass needs a nerf

[normal mist]

They are doubling down on the fury / arcane nerfs

[bleak crag]

I think with gear scaling and inc nerfs on other class sin will be high on rankings

But I dont think sin will be in an op nerf spot

[subtle tundra]

thats pretty obvious

[cursive flicker]

Top of the middle is where I’d want to be anyway

[subtle tundra]

no tier, no trinkets, no weapons

when we get those

[bleak crag]

You over estimate tier zd

[cursive flicker]

It’s a safe spot, no ban hammer hanging overhead but still performing

[bleak crag]

Most peopme have decent trinkets atm

People

You talk like rogues have no gear and other classes are full tier

Fact is our tier is very average at best

We are not dh that literally loses dps with 4 set

one spec

[weary spear]

we have 2 pc, solid trinks and mh already. wym?

[subtle tundra]

we?

who is we

i have 0pc

[bleak crag]

Most people raiding

2 catalyst on reset

If you raided hc

[subtle tundra]

no way you get 2 catalyst...

[bleak crag]

After this reset most player pushing will be 4 set

[velvet haven]

wdym no way? we've had 1, we get another tomorrow

no?

[cursive flicker]

Yeah I mean I don’t have any tier but have both weapons and 2 decent trinkets already

[bleak crag]

Or atleast 2 pc

[velvet haven]

thus 2 catalyst charges

[cursive flicker]

We already have a catalyst, do we not get another tomorrow? Or is it next week

[haughty flicker]

this was pretty well done

[velvet haven]

and most ppl who've played the game actively would be on 2pc thus can force 4pc on tuesday if we get a charge

[subtle tundra]

i got so lucky no mods/regulars were here

[cobalt sphinx]

i thought catalyst was every 2 weeks

[cursive flicker]

Lmao

[cobalt sphinx]

i killed 12 bosses on main, 8 on alt, no tier

[bleak crag]

You might be right lets fact check that

[grave blade]

arcane and fury dead. That means we move up the ladder bois

[velvet haven]

that could be the case, under that case it's more of a did u win your roll or does ur raid like you for 4pc moment

OR

vault

[cursive flicker]

Don’t think they’ve confirmed

[soft merlin]

It is

[grave blade]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-class-tuning-incoming-fury-warrior-and-arcane-mage-nerfed-346702

Arcane and Fury seething rn

[bleak crag]

Seems to be 2 weeks

[subtle tundra]

nope

they are smiling

3% is not much

they knew it was coming

[velvet haven]

under that notion then, all the more reason to take a tier slot fromk vault

for 4pc force

or communicate with your guild to see prio on tier for your token

[slate crown]

I decided to let you cook

[velvet haven]

unless open roll then glhf

[bleak crag]

But still you can get piece from 1.6k rating pvp

[velvet haven]

none the less im most cases I'd imagine 4pc next week

[bleak crag]

Or killing last boss

[velvet haven]

oh right

[bleak crag]

Plus drop one catalyst one

And vault

[velvet haven]

the m+/pvp/aotc one

forgot about that

fuck that

100% u have 4pc this week

unless ur super chiller casual

then week after

[plush isle]

Why should we craft haste/mastery belt/bracer instead of crit/mastery ?

[bleak crag]

Well will see might go for the 616 vault and skip 4 set because 4set not that good

Dependa

[soft merlin]

Sim what stats is the best

[bleak crag]

Valko just sim depending on what you currently havr equipped it changes

[lavish wagon]

any1 got improved garrote bugged?

it gives me 1 CP

from stealth

[velvet haven]

that will come down to sim moment + talking to ur alleged(idk how ur group does it) council then

communicate + sims = big numbers 🤝

[slate crown]

That’s not imp garrote. Shrouded suffocation is what makes it give 3cp, which we now no longer take in most raid build variants

[velvet haven]

which is a bit feelsbadman but makes sense

[weary spear]

in what cases do we take shrouded suffocation over dashing scoundrel?

[slate crown]

It definitely feels weird to not get 3 cp off garrote

[slate crown]

The case where you want to

[runic hinge]

They’re in margin I think so you can do whatever

[velvet haven]

opening with ambush in general has felt weird

[bleak crag]

Honestly just sim it for me ot was 1.8k dps over 870k

[slate crown]

All the builds are within margin of error

[bleak crag]

I still use shrouded

[lavish wagon]

ye soz

i mean shroud soff

[slate crown]

All good

[velvet haven]

what is that? player choice? never heard of her

[bleak crag]

Cause it just feels better on opener

[velvet haven]

for sure

[lavish wagon]

i got it bugged

[normal mist]

i mean, i will not have it :C

[bleak crag]

Fo me

[lavish wagon]

u fixed someway?

[normal mist]

not guaranteed atleast

[velvet haven]

D:

are u sitting on 0pc rn?

[slate crown]

You have shrouded suffocation, and it isn’t giving you 3?

[normal mist]

i have 1 normal curio, 1 achievment "curio" and the catalyst charge

[slate crown]

Yes

[normal mist]

so i can guarantee 3

[lavish wagon]

ye exactly

[slate crown]

It’s not hard to be at 0pc

[lavish wagon]

it gives me 1 CP

[normal mist]

but i did not drop tier this week

[slate crown]

Like shockingly easy

[velvet haven]

in that case I would imagine you would get prio in your raid group for tier this week

[slate crown]

To be at 0 piece

[normal mist]

Yeah 100%

if it drops is mine

[velvet haven]

• there is that random chance

of getting tier

[slate crown]

“Your raid group” hehehehe

[velvet haven]

i got tier on my rogue in a liquid split

[weary spear]

anyone just saving catalyst for mythic track gear?

[bleak crag]

Well not having a tier piece on vault is kinda unlucky since mythic vault can drop it

[velvet haven]

from a random allocation i couldnt trade

[bleak crag]

And maybe delve ?

[slate crown]

I basically always do

[bleak crag]

Same im saving catalyst

[slate crown]

No, I’ve never had that as a bug happen.

[bleak crag]

Are you stealthed ?

[glacial crypt]

Vault is likely a socket angle tbh lmao

[lavish wagon]

rofl sure XD

[slate crown]

I have limited access to gear esp on myth track

[glacial crypt]

throw it on a mythic piece easy

[normal mist]

Yeah i must wait for a full normal clear to then decide on what to catalyst / buy with curios

ahhhhhh

[bleak crag]

Socket not great for mythic prog

[slate crown]

So as a matter of strategy catalyst on myth track is best for me

[velvet haven]

could be a play

I won't be doing that as I'd prefer to get my set going just of preference

it feels better to not take socket therefore I will not be

[glacial crypt]

unless the piece in my vault is something like end boss ring - I'll likely be taking socket

[velvet haven]

well for your sake I hope u have a good vault cuddle

^_^

[glacial crypt]

🙏

[cursive flicker]

Is getting the ring from vault worth it over getting a tier piece?

[glacial crypt]

Imo yes, tier set you can get anywhere

[bleak crag]

Probably because very rare

[glacial crypt]

but the ring is bis for a LOT of classes

[velvet haven]

I feel its not that far off

it is likely 0.1-0.3% 'better"

[bleak crag]

I wonder how much dps it gives but stats on it are pretty good too

[velvet haven]

but remember itemlv gets u invited to more pug keys

[fickle girder]

!wa

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[cursive flicker]

Yeah winning it legit seems pretty unlikely

[spice spire]

Pugging in the year of our lord 2024

[glacial crypt]

real 💀

[cursive flicker]

You guys have guilds?

[slate crown]

Help me

[bleak crag]

But tier piece are pretty common to get if you have a guild that raid

[spice spire]

What you need big dog

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/poro-poroagony-necroniks-gragas-sloppywalrus-gif-14002357396033739071

[glacial crypt]

I've not had to pug in ages I do not miss it

afk in queue for hours zzzz

[keen glade]

!craft

[velvet haven]

im with a semi casual guild this tier, maybe i join a CE guild later, but for now im chilling and trying to enjoy the little things this expansion

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[opaque gull]

are deathstalker marks bugged rn? its not consuming a mark while I have darkest night, or is it just my UI

[bleak crag]

Well.this hc raid is easy if we compare to DF s1

Easier to pug

[glacial crypt]

If you have darkest night + mark on a target then it's bugged

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it looks like you can't do that anymore

[glacial crypt]

like you won't consume a mark when you should

but only for that one finisher

after darkest night is consumed you can use marks again

[velvet haven]

seems that way

whats everyone's fav fight been?

I personally really like Princess

[glacial crypt]

Princess

by a long shot

[velvet haven]

🤝

[cursive flicker]

Ansurek sure isn’t raszageth, thank god

[bleak crag]

Princess is nice

[glacial crypt]

even the first pulls on ptr I was gushing at that fight honestly

[bleak crag]

Dont hate I like blood bond aswell

[glacial crypt]

bloodbound horror is chill

[spice spire]

S1 DF was a pretty easy pug. First like 5 bosses didn’t really do much. Eh let’s say 4.
Sennarth didn’t bug until later

[cursive flicker]

Princess is a fun fight, I like ansurek second. Fuck silken court, but it’s also great

[velvet haven]

I'm maining monk this tier and highkey bloodbound horror's a vibe

[bleak crag]

Df rasz was tough

On hc pug

Gl

[spice spire]

And raz I wouldn’t pug to save my life

I’d simply just not

[glacial crypt]

silken court requires a lot of communication which i love

[velvet haven]

yeah I was selling raz kills that tier for aotc

[glacial crypt]

you really see who the shitters are in your group

[velvet haven]

was good money

[glacial crypt]

This last boss I'd be surprised if people can pug week 1

[velvet haven]

Normal Queen was interesting

but felt missing mechanics

hope heroic and mythic mechanics fill that

[bleak crag]

Normal hc are the same prettyx much

[velvet haven]

ahh

[bleak crag]

On queen

[velvet haven]

do u know what the mythic mech is?

[bleak crag]

Noo not there yet

[velvet haven]

ill look req

[glacial crypt]

Not at all

on mythic there are 5 of the soaks

which knock you up

A lot more going on

[bleak crag]

Hc and normal

Not mythic

[glacial crypt]

in heroic there's 2, normal there's 1

[bleak crag]

Typo ?

[glacial crypt]

but balancing groups for the stacks in a pug group would be horrible

[bleak crag]

Yeah its not a big change for hc to normal

[glacial crypt]

Was replying to this^^

[bleak crag]

Ah

[scenic plank]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cursive flicker]

Yeesh

[velvet haven]

mythic only add

those seem to be the major changes

[normal mist]

I'm stage two

[keen glade]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[velvet haven]

xd

[cursive flicker]

Honestly 2 big kill targets in the intermission is going to be rough

[velvet haven]

prio damage stonks

aff lock is going to DEVOUR this fight i think

like sark

so far im pretty pleased with this raid

Liking it more then the DF ones overall*** so far*** at least

[cursive flicker]

I’m liking it for sure. I think blood bound horror is a horrible fight on heroic tho, the beams are fucking annoying. At least when pugging

[velvet haven]

that's a tank positioning issue i think

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah the tank upstairs aims the beams

[cursive flicker]

Yeah maybe just emphasis on the “when pugging” lol

[velvet haven]

yee

question i was wondering

How did we as assassin rogues feel about sark as a boss?

because im told it was a hot take i didn't like the fight overall

[fathom minnow]

Quick question. Is it really worth it to stay on >50% energy with m+ build ?

Not in packs, on low count

[woven shore]

Are you guys raiding Ovinax with st talents BUT with splatter?

[slate crown]

You’ll probably get difference answers based on when. During season 2 vs season 4 awakened because of the rework

[fathom minnow]

++

[velvet haven]

ah I didn't play awakened

[cursive flicker]

Yes, same with court

[velvet haven]

I don't know what they reworked

[upper spear]

one of our rogues is running this build, opting out of Garrote buffs. Thoughts on this? When and why would you pick this?

[woven shore]

Thats what i love so much about assa 😂

1 talent for aoe haha

[marble cradle]

is there a sheet or something for cloak of shadows like which attacks we can use on new raid?

[tired gull]

that's the st build

[velvet haven]

st + caustic

[cobalt sphinx]

massive 0.5% gain over garrote on st

[woven shore]

Thats a really good question

[tired gull]

with caustic for cleave

[slate crown]

The whole caustic spatter patch? That was between the two

[subtle tundra]

idk hc queen is fun until you learn it, afterwards its annoying

atleast for me

[velvet haven]

oh ur right

[upper spear]

tyty

[velvet haven]

yeah spatter woulda made ads enjoyable i suppose

sorry i thought u meant they reworked a RAID mechanics for a moment

derp

[tired gull]

(i also really like not running garrote talents so i can save vanish for just in case mark issues)

[velvet haven]

The more we talk about this garotte thing, the more glad I am it's more of a personal preference between the two

[upper spear]

i thought he might be doing it to manage enegery easier, since you drop Sanguine Blades

[cursive flicker]

Can you explain the advantage?

[naive crane]

!wa

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[tired gull]

it currently sims ever so slightly higher than garrote talents ST build, a little easier to play imo (then caustic spatter is just for free cleave)

[thick sequoia]

Anyone have a rough idea of how much haste we ideally need?

[tired gull]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[arctic socket]

247% for infinite energy

[worthy bear]

!tier

Anything on how much % is our tier?

[eternal wave]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[cursive flicker]

Like 2% brother

[arctic socket]

2.5% for both

[woven shore]

On first boss probably the webs and this green aoe thing
Second boss
Blood floor , his big aoe nuke which he does on 100% energy i believe ( you can cast every time if you dont use it before )
( On beam idk(maybe if it does some kind of elemental dmg but MAYBE blizzard made it so nothing can avoid it) )
3th boss probably everything but frontals if there is any
4th boss everything ( MAYBE not the pulling web thing)
5th boss probably not the melee attacks but everything else
6th boss everything
7& 8 idk tbh
Forget

[broken jackal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cursive flicker]

Am I insane or was the recommended craft a week or two ago boots?

[past forum]

wasnt recommended but it's not a horrible option

[cursive flicker]

Now I have like 50 points in fucking boots leather working for no reason

[barren shuttle]

Can someone explain how indiscriminate carnage works?
Will it apply entirely random or prioritize unaffected enemies?
Also do you swap targets or just let dot main target and let ic take care of multidotting when u have a very big pull?

[tired gull]

it prioritizes non-dotted targets

[hybrid tree]

Whats the delta between oils and whetstones, do we know?

[barren shuttle]

That's amazing

[strange python]

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[hybrid tree]

on hc rupture on tank mobs is a gain for me

on nm i just cleave

[royal lantern]

i mean, fight was allright for assa

[slate crown]

I think boots are popular, so not a bad thing to have specced into

[hearty coral]

got a legendary XD

[royal lantern]

you just kinda ignored the adds on sark cus you could not do anything

[woven shore]

You can rapture the spiders for more energy and cause more Envenoms

[royal lantern]

and went full boss mode

[woven shore]

That's my theory

[upper spear]

does your 2nd shiv pandemic

[royal lantern]

no

shiv doesnt pandemic

[upper spear]

ok so gotta wait for it to fullly fall off

[royal lantern]

yes

[woven shore]

Pandemic?

[slate crown]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[nova aspen]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/death-cat-falls-over-gif-17605935280907017193

[undone flame]

how much crit dose this give?

[royal lantern]

700something

2 are 1512 crit

[woven shore]

Good that i have a weakaura for that

[undone flame]

thanks

[woven shore]

However sometimes i really have to think during rotation

[slate crown]

Damn that sucks I hate thinking

[woven shore]

I believe that

Me too

[hushed elbow]

756

[strange python]

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[royal lantern]

rememeber corona

[cerulean walrus]

Guys but what if I want to get eaten by Ansurek?

Ever consider that?

[strange python]

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[robust axle]

XD

[strange python]

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[hybrid tree]

Do we use Wax on MH or does it not matter?

[cobalt sphinx]

@strange python “pandemic” is when a dot or effect extends up to 1.3x duration when reapplied

[royal lantern]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[royal lantern]

^

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/josémourinho-big-trouble-if-i-speak-prefer-not-to-speak-interview-gif-16725048

[royal lantern]

Weaver>Vizier>Ansurek

[cerulean walrus]

I mean let’s be honest mate

With a gyatt like that

Xal’atath can’t be wrong

Right?

[strange python]

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[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[strange python]

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[woven shore]

Wtf bro 😂😂😂😂😂

[cerulean walrus]

They really should have given the weaver a unique model

[woven shore]

Do you know da wae

[upper spear]

We have a rogue performing well that isnt taking improved Echoing Rep

[royal lantern]

he probs didnt adjust for the fix yet

[cerulean walrus]

Yes. The build changed like

[royal lantern]

[cerulean walrus]

2 days ago

Probably didn’t check

We were fine before we’re fine now

[upper spear]

i didnt see the post

i saw the coming changes, for the rework

didnt see a current update

[loud light]

there's like a dozen talent points that can be swapped at will and still come within margin

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah

[loud light]

it's wild out there

[cerulean walrus]

I had to sim a good 10 talent swap builds

[hushed elbow]

can someone elaborate to me when to use improved garrote vs ambush in deathstalker?

i would think i want ambush always unless i have a mark up

[upper spear]

i opted out of mythic this tier due to work, but still want to be big when im needed. I took the last 2 tiers off so im relearning a lot rn 😭

[silk bane]

insanely real

and based

and tru

same tbh

[upper spear]

i swear to god i saw a build that had Sanguine Blades for ST but im not seeing it now

damn... i might have been looking at the Fatebound option

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah they were probably playing FB

[upper spear]

🙃

ive been running the wrong talents

[spice spire]

Ur so real for this big dog

[novel star]

sanguine and VV builds sim pretty much identically for deathstalker right now

they have a different damage profile (imp garrote/sang more burst heavy) but overall dps performance is like within 0.1% for 4 different builds or something

so there’s not really any “wrong talent” until more bugfixes

[cinder quartz]

i'm a 1/2 VV and imp poisons shill

[viral garnet]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[ashen rover]

[low kernel]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[novel star]

show off

[ashen rover]

i said it .. all my non luck in normal went to heroic

[novel star]

surely me too

[stoic gulch]

For mythic+ I'm simming higher on dungeon slice with the tempered mastery flask, is that generally what people are planning on using for M+? Or is the chaos flask better in practice?

[balmy condor]

you can run a mast flask if you'd like

you wouldn't be getting mastery from your potion though

chaos is good because it lets you get all the secondaries from your potion

[stoic gulch]

so I guess it depends figuring out on average if the extra mastery is better for the damage on trash packs vs the burst damage from the potion? I'll see what people better than me do I guess lol x3

[maiden anchor]

@balmy condor any fix on envenom incorrectly using pandemic mechanic? just saw your video about it

[royal lantern]

i literally took imp.garrote only because my brain is conditioned into "vanish->garrote" for years now lol

didnt even sim it

[novel star]

yeh fair

[balmy condor]

what? envenom pandemics just fine

[novel star]

they mean ttk ptr i think

[royal lantern]

just saw that it didnt mater->point out of imp. poison and into imp.garrote

[balmy condor]

won't make a difference either way

[maiden anchor]

https://youtu.be/ob2EUnstXBU?t=710

[balmy condor]

fixed

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah that's PTR

[maiden anchor]

ohhh, gotcha. makes more sense

[balmy condor]

I haven't logged into ptr since then

[novel star]

i don’t think it’s fixed but it’s not coming out for 2 months so

[novel star]

i logged in today to look at worgen animations so i can keep evaluating race change options

[limber lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

male worgen has 1of the best stealth animations, simply because its one of the few ones that actually looks like stealth, the rest is kinda okay-ish

[balmy condor]

I log in cause I have to understand changes, you log in because you get to play the game for fun

we are not the same

[brave blaze]

just got my 1600 pvp tier piece. is there a best peice to buy first? i have no other tier. This is for pve

[cobalt sphinx]

id wait

[brave blaze]

ya to see what i get out of vault?

[cobalt sphinx]

whichever piece you choose will be guaranteed to be in your vault

[brave blaze]

haha ya true

[novel star]

you could play the game for fun too

[ashen rover]

should i just get double radiant ? the diff is lower in raid compared to m+

[royal lantern]

crafting a dagger to gurantee the mythic dagger in vault

[novel star]

if you believed in miracles

[spice spire]

Fun in this economy?

Miss me w that

[novel star]

yeah it’s totally fine to use radiant in st

just like 2x the price

[balmy condor]

I wish

[subtle tundra]

i cant stop thinking of how much gold i spent

[thorn fjord]

Saw pins changed… did they fix the DS mark bug?

[royal lantern]

the raid is overall fun, they just urgently need to fix the Performance things

[ashen rover]

yeahhh.,. its okay i got good daggers for a while..

[novel star]

yep

[subtle tundra]

to minmax queen ansurek and then spend the whole fight dead

[spice spire]

Dog I always enjoy the game

When I play

[thorn fjord]

Dog I always enjoy you

[spice spire]

Otherwise I just wouldn’t lmao

[novel star]

ansurek is such a sick fight man

[spice spire]

Babe?

[novel star]

i said this earlier but saying it again

[subtle tundra]

its so dog

[novel star]

they cooked

[thorn fjord]

Papi?

[balmy condor]

it's kinda meh

[spice spire]

I’m only missing one more log review and I’m free for the day

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah tho they finally fixed all the stuff

[balmy condor]

ansurek is one of the weaker end bosses in recent memory

[thorn fjord]

It’s a vibe

[novel star]

i like it

[thorn fjord]

My heroic logs were hot dog water

[subtle tundra]

intermission is boring
i have 0 mechanics to do
the grip is either AWFUL for your class or piss easy

[spice spire]

My logs in general are dog

[novel star]

i’m prolly just biased because first tier back and stuff yeh

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor how do i make a lv 80 on PTR?

[balmy condor]

the webs on the ground are super ?????

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

idk how to do the grip on rogue meanwhile on monk and pala there was 0 thought behind it

[thorn fjord]

Just interpret it the way I did… this week was about learning mechanics and getting comfortable with the fights… next week we blast

[subtle tundra]

also i couldnt cloak the grip????? wtf

[balmy condor]

correct

you also can't step boss

the add intermission feels really forced too

[spice spire]

We killed one heroic boss and I died 1.30 into a 10 minute fight

[balmy condor]

idk

[subtle tundra]

the adds in hc died in 15 seconds aswell, 0 time to dps

[royal lantern]

im honest, almost all add intermissions feel that way

[balmy condor]

the jump rope p1 thing over the pulse is fine

but the rest of the fight is just kinda whatever

[balmy condor]

that's not true at all

[thorn fjord]

Boy did we struggle with that one lmao

[subtle tundra]

only fun thing, but guess what you can just overlap the circles and have 0 thought behind doing the mechanic

[royal lantern]

my thought just went to razageth where i thought the same tbh

[balmy condor]

denathrius?

[subtle tundra]

yo denathrius was such a banger boss

from visual atmosphere mechanics dps checks

[spice spire]

Man denathrius hit

I can’t believe we started at denathrius

[royal lantern]

i said most, not all

[subtle tundra]

the end dance felt so satisfying to pull off correctly

[spice spire]

And then followed up with the last two

Of that tier

[royal lantern]

SL peaked at launch

and then dragged on forever

fucking SoD

[subtle tundra]

you also could improvise so much if there was any fuck up midpull

[balmy condor]

nymue, dathea, lihuvim, kelthuzad

[subtle tundra]

i have never gone to dathea adds

not normal, hc, mythic

dont know about them

not a mechanic

[royal lantern]

same

dathea was "hit boss"

[keen spruce]

anyone know how to make a lv 80 on ptr?

i can't make pepes for hero talents if i don't have hero talents

[little cipher]

If someone can give me tips on what im doing wrong will be really appreciated
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rtqkCb32vGHVNnd7#fight=18&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24260273045.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240&source=475

[runic hinge]

Dathea was my only blue parse that tier cause I had to take iron wire and go to adds

[royal lantern]

bruh

thats cursed af

[runic hinge]

Yeah it was cursed

Saving vanish for platforms

[keen spruce]

I convinced my raid to let me no go to a platform

[runic hinge]

I tried

[spice spire]

@balmy condor can you thread I bothered Armin enough today

[keen spruce]

where deathmark?

[gilded oasis]

hes saving it for next fight

[real granite]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[keen spruce]

@spice spire

how do i make a lv 80 on ptr?

[limber lion]

Just make one

Np

[gilded oasis]

[royal lantern]

buy a lvl boost

[little cipher]

Yeah i having trouble with my energy i think it's because i spam too much envenom to kill the adds

[wooden flare]

just logged in and immediately got 28 runed harbinger crest, what's that about?

[royal lantern]

i mean, deathmark generates energy

[spice spire]

Just make one.
Idk I always moved toons over

[keen spruce]

i don't have a lv 80 to move over

[spice spire]

Get leveling bud

[keen spruce]

i'm not levelling on ptr just to make frogs on a WA that people don't download

[royal lantern]

you can fly a plane

just fly to a country where you can buy a lvl boost for 20cent

[keen spruce]

I don't the shop even works on ptr

[storm hedge]

My big brain play today on HC Ky'veza, delaying 3rd DM 1 minute for a potion. Not that big brain but every damage counts when you die to enrage twice.

[keen spruce]

gud decision

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o82Xahvbi39jKwxfx5zDqE we big? (yes i have PI)

[subtle tundra]

thats a good starting point to optmizing decisions for dmg

[spice spire]

Only 606?

[subtle tundra]

dog im 606

[pliant moth]

best embellishments?

[vapid geode]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

Y'all getting maps from delves and doing hc?

xD

Because IM NOT

[spice spire]

Only 606?

[normal mist]

[spice spire]

That second trinket

[subtle tundra]

dog wtf

[spice spire]

Is an experience

[spice spire]

(I’m only 601)

[subtle tundra]

buddy my guildies are 610+

its uh

its hard out here

[spice spire]

Nah miss me w that

[keen spruce]

soomeone gimmy their blizz account so i can log into ptr on a lv80 plz

[normal mist]

i dont like it but its okay

[spice spire]

That’s illegal mister shmeeps

[storm hedge]

Also sacraficing parse to cd the far away add on 2nd boss cause nobody is killing it.

[shy pecan]

Check DMs

[spice spire]

Miss me w that

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Bullet log review

[spice spire]

Ed’s about to give you my battle net info Smdh (he hacked me)

Ty whispyr

[keen spruce]

[shy pecan]

Gottem

[keen spruce]

this is a goddamn lie

[vapid geode]

for finding top gear for m+ would dungeon slice be the best sim?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[vapid geode]

ty

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with it

[keen spruce]

not lv 80

only 70

[balmy condor]

Well yeah?

It’s a level-up template

What’s the point of having a level up template if it was max level

[haughty flicker]

[keen spruce]

elaborate

[fleet pagoda]

they could have gone with 69

[balmy condor]

I hope you fly better than you read mr duck

[balmy condor]

That’s a template to test the leveling

It’s a leveling character

[wide atlas]

What do I craft

[keen spruce]

oh

[wide atlas]

Help pls

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[keen spruce]

i'll just update current frogs and ignore the hero talents

[wide atlas]

Perfect

Thankyou so much !!!

[balmy condor]

Why wouldn’t you just make a max level character?

Instead of a leveling character

[keen spruce]

I asked how to do that

[balmy condor]

Beta, these go to 11

[keen spruce]

i didn't see an option

[balmy condor]

Template

[keen spruce]

i'm confus

[marble cradle]

u need to create on these go to 11 realm

[marble cradle]

@keen spruce

[limber lion]

lol

[shadow pelican]

if im assa/deathstalker at what target count to I press FoK when i have vicious venoms talented?

[balmy condor]

2

[keen spruce]

Beta realms say incompatible

maybe i need to be on the other ptr

thing

oh there's an actual beta install

[limber lion]

You can do it

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

I believe in you

[keen spruce]

i have duck brain

[wide atlas]

Hello, may I ask you a question.
This is the belt?

[balmy condor]

No?

[wide atlas]

lmao

[balmy condor]

Did you read this?

[wide atlas]

This?

[limber lion]

Dawnthread my guy

[balmy condor]

Yes

Now add Dawnthread to it

[mystic kettle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LkaWKzd6Zn2wVgmY#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=40

[wide atlas]

Perfect, found it

Thanks !

[balmy condor]

Np

[limber lion]

What are we looking at

[mystic kettle]

Struggling to get above 80 parse. I'm probs doing the same thing wrong ever fight as I feel I'm averaging 75-85 for our raid

Can you guys see anything in paticular?

[vapid geode]

is there any data on trinket procs? I have spyglass and a candle crit proc trinket. does simming include proc chances?

[limber lion]

That's an 89 right there

What do you mean struggle

[mystic kettle]

Sorry I'm pretty new to all this tracking stuff so not sure what I'm looking for

[balmy condor]

Of course, would be strange simming trinkets if it didn’t include proc chances

[vapid geode]

oh okay thank you, i just love my spyglass but my candle better 😦 i was indenial

[hearty coral]

my first heroic.. is this dmg good for a boss? im 570 ilvl

[subtle tundra]

some jewels

[mystic kettle]

Sorry linked the completely wrong raid

[balmy condor]

You crushed the rest of your group so yeah you’re doing good

[turbid crest]

Heya is some1 have a good ELVUI profil ? please

[crude sequoia]

i’m so amazing

[balmy condor]

Based on my logs, smaller parse means bigger cock

You’re slingin a meat rod down there for sure

[blazing jewel]

[crude sequoia]

you not wrong 😭

[spice spire]

Ain’t no way

[shy pecan]

So that's why Quake died 10 seconds into his fight...

[novel star]

@balmy condor ds plague damage just doesn’t interact with the poison buff 2pc at all right

[slow tulip]

!pooling

[spice spire]

It was 90 seconds!!

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

or did i imagine u saying that

[shy pecan]

Oh, so smaller cock then

Got it

[blazing jewel]

Quake always sandbagging

[spice spire]

Oh no buddy

If that’s the rule

I’m swinging (it took them ten minutes to kill)

[crude sequoia]

i’m ready for coaching lessons

[limber lion]

Correct

[crude sequoia]

i’ll be the teacher

[novel star]

so cringe man

[limber lion]

It does affect Fatebound tails though

:)

[wanton mortar]

what should i craft if i want to play sub in some bosses?

[novel star]

yeah

i remmebered that

just like

[blazing jewel]

My guild took 9.5 mins on a silken court split

[novel star]

bruh

[spice spire]

scana

[shy pecan]

!scana

[spice spire]

This was the first heroic boss

We’re really outside rn

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

Tier set is a disaster

[spice spire]

Scanaw type parse ya feel me

[shy pecan]

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

[novel star]

it’s just so inexcusable though like how does that even happen

[wide atlas]

@balmy condor Is there any difference in crafting Dms Ascension + writhing banding IN THE Waist instead of wrists???

[novel star]

plague and cosmic damage both are supposed to count as nature right

😭

[spice spire]

Rushed product means things slip through

That’s why there’s like

90000 stealth changes

[novel star]

🙃

got the whole season 4 of nothingness in df for what

[cerulean walrus]

[limber lion]

No

[shy pecan]

First mistake: playing S4

[wide atlas]

tyty

[turbid crest]

Heya is some1 have a good ELVUI profil ? please

[shy pecan]

Wago.io has a bunch of them. Can look there.

[upper spear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[turbid crest]

tyy

[vapid geode]

I have duskthread lining buff without equipping the gear that has the embellishments. it is increasing my stats too so its not just a visual buff is this a known bug?

[balmy condor]

Do you have a log showing that

[vapid geode]

no i just logged in and am looking at the buff, maybe it goes away when i zone in to something

wait yeah i have a details log does that count

[analog summit]

is the disparity of 15% dps raidbot sim vs. ingame dummy normal or a me problem? 😄

[vocal widget]

how high priority is applying mark in AoE with Darkest Night?

like should I stop rupturing if I need to apply it

[slow tulip]

ye, im also playing with it, cuz i have double dusk for pvp, but when i switch for pve with asc and darkness the 1500 versa stays

[vocal widget]

or do I only have to apply it after I finish rupturing

[normal mist]

i've been seeing people with that belt for some reason

and a lot of people doing W.O for it too

[keen spruce]

ok it updtead

[slow tulip]

😆

[icy girder]

rofl

[blazing jewel]

The deathmark one is bis

[waxen oyster]

What is the sword one

[keen spruce]

er

[cobalt sphinx]

Ouch..

[next jackal]

I see people on the service chat offering heroic runs for gold. Is that tos? I know you can’t spend real money on them, but is gold fine?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that's ok

but if you run too many of them you might get banned

because of the warbound lockout bug

[next jackal]

That’s a thing? Oh was not planning on exploiting it or anything

[normal mist]

If you want to pay gold for them to boost you

its okay

that has been a thing for many years now

It isn't ToS because they aren't asking for $$$

[next jackal]

Cool! Pretty cool! I was looking online for boosts. Some sites wanted 400$ Canadian. Fuck that lmao. Plus paying with gold I earned would feel more right.

[normal mist]

Yeah IF you want to do it, do it with gold

Now, do i recommend you to do it? No.

[safe shale]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[next jackal]

Tbh, I just want to catch up. I finally figured out I want to play rogue. Gotta gear him to 80 first. I’ve always played classes with tanks or healers because of the faster queue times and more desirable heals and tank. But I really want to dps. First time in years

[indigo epoch]

lmao, won it with a 3 roll.

[safe shale]

Class actually plays so much better and is so much smoother, when i dont have to spend 7 combo points for DN
wild

[normal mist]

i wonder how many rogues are there

[indigo epoch]

sometimes its good to be underplayed class

[carmine shore]

Is it worth trying to maintain high bleed uptime on Court? Keeping envenom up and also keeping both bleeds up is a chore

[storm hedge]

Yeah 2 dropped for our raid and I got both

[safe shale]

Yes

[mossy frigate]

hey guys

[indigo epoch]

grats

[storm hedge]

Not even the only rogue in the raid.

[indigo epoch]

lol

[storm hedge]

I didn't need the second one

[mossy frigate]

Assa rogue looking good in M+ do you think it will be better than Outlaw?

[safe shale]

If you think 2 target bleed is a chore, maybe rogue isnt for you

Should have worded the question "On court does anyone else drop env to keep up 2x bleed"

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[storm hedge]

You don't need to really keep the envenom up on council. At least for me I just spammed away my envenoms and it was ok. Only time is during intermissions obv.

[safe shale]

Yes

Far better to have bleeds up on both bosses, than maintaining 100% env uptime xD

[storm hedge]

Like you don't have to think about envenoms cause you just spam it all the time.

[safe shale]

wait what

[wanton mortar]

im not even tracking envenom, should i?

[storm hedge]

On 2 target

[half lichen]

Hi guys, I use the following command to hide combo points from enemy plates, but it keeps showing upon reload/relog. is there a way to make it permanent?
/run hooksecurefunc(ClassNameplateBarRogueFrame, "Show", ClassNameplateBarRogueFrame.Hide) ClassNameplateBarRogueFrame:Hide()

[safe shale]

Yes

[novel star]

i didn't

i came back to the game after a break to play havoc in s3

and then fucked off until now

and im locked in again

[runic hinge]

More bleeds is more energy which is more envenoms.

[shy pecan]

Alright, first mistake: coming back

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Bro @ me

[keen spruce]

I updated the WA pack

[edgy crystal]

do i need ot use garrote twice in opener of aoe with deathstalker

[shy pecan]

@spice spire

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[storm hedge]

Depends on the target count. On 4+ targets yeah to spread more bleeds and get cps to double rupture

[fluid pumice]

OH?

link?

[tall cradle]

My kingsbane getting parried? XD

AYO

[edgy crystal]

@storm hedge u mean just spread it is that what it means ,or it means use double garrot on the same target?

[storm hedge]

On 4 and 5 you can just hit the same target.

And tbh I do that on 6+ as well cause f that

[cobalt sphinx]

its over

[keen spruce]

https://wago.io/tlUTUwOpv

[storm hedge]

You need 5 ruptures for max AGI buff anyway

[keen spruce]

there's directions on how to get all of the frogs

on the WA page

[tall cradle]

this happened 3 times to me in raids so far

[short sedge]

When you're the only rogue and a dagger drops

[fluid pumice]

Thank you. Shmeepy

[short sedge]

[karmic merlin]

If I got hero track belt, is it safe to craft boots/wrists instead? I assume so but just wanna make sure

[normal mist]

math does check out

[earnest pilot]

If i'm not using tempered pots, is alchemical chaos flask still the best? or should i use the crit/mastery flask?

[storm hedge]

Also that's all assuming you have capstone. If you don't you ambush to get mark then garrote and double rupture and then garrote second time (on 4+ targets)

[keen spruce]

I think you'll be the 2nd person to install it

don't let your RL see it

[balmy condor]

Yes, kingsbane can get parried

[karmic merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-jack-black-awkward-gif-4691467854324958416

[fluid pumice]

So not in addons folder, just within interface?

[formal field]

For ds when you vanish after deathmark during your opener do you cast ambush into improved garrote or just ambush into mutilate/envenom?

[tall cradle]

this is painful

[fluid pumice]

I was streaming last night and forgot about the Biya and many people saw

[balmy condor]

Well if you’re running improved garrote you would garrote, if you aren’t running improved garrote there’s no point in garroting from stealth

[fluid pumice]

well, heard

[keen spruce]

ye so in your interface folder there should be an 'addon' folder and a 'peepo' folder

[safe shale]

ambush INTO imp ? how do without sub bro xD

[amber solstice]

hi everyone, i have been looking up the rotation for assassination, and how the burst is suppose to work, but i am really messing it up for some reason, doesnt anyone have any helpful rotations guides other then icy viens or wowhead, im new to rogue so sorry if i dont get it right away also

[balmy condor]

Improved garrote is 6 seconds…

[safe shale]

Its pretty static

[normal mist]

you're checking the best source already

[safe shale]

Practice

[fluid pumice]

ok sick

[distant plinth]

Hit dummies and do the rotation slowly and practice😁

[safe shale]

yeah mb sleeping

[storm hedge]

Is Vanish just useless without improved garrote? I read something about setting up mark + capstone envenom doesn't work?

[safe shale]

I literally know this xD

[balmy condor]

Yeah pretty nasty bug

[normal mist]

Vanish in VV no imp garrote builds is AMAZING

[safe shale]

no bec ambush still does more damage than mut so you can vanish ambush for more dps

[fallow canopy]

(if it worked) D:

[normal mist]

You can use it when you fuck up

[balmy condor]

It does not do more damage than mut

[normal mist]

currently

[fluid pumice]

If you make more degen shit, let me know @keen spruce

[keen spruce]

I'm retired

[normal mist]

i'll miss having vanish for fuckups when that gets fixed

[fluid pumice]

Come back 😦

[safe shale]

No? sure ambush does more than a mut? am i trippin?

[balmy condor]

Some people still just hold it

It’s not a big deal

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah

[fallow canopy]

same, tho I guess its probably like a 0.x min max thing to do the thing

[cobalt sphinx]

ambush is like 200k and mut is like 270k + 30k mutilated flesh

[fluid pumice]

what is this supposed to be 😦

[storm hedge]

I just hold vanish in case a wipe gets called. Or to move my mark but I didn't need that anywhere other than the second boss..

[balmy condor]

It does more instant damage but the overall double hit/poison/etc, mutilate is better to use

Like on fatebound, you wouldn’t want to ambush during stealth

[safe shale]

Hmm so blindside is mainly for the free builder?

[spice surge]

Ye

[spice spire]

Ye

[storm hedge]

That's so cool, didn't know that.

[balmy condor]

Yes

[safe shale]

Damn

[spice spire]

Fuck

[safe shale]

Hella weird design

ahah

But still feels good

[bronze steppe]

I have a specific question. If I am at 6 CP and my Garrote is active and not in pandemic. Do I mutilate and waste some CP to go to 7, or can I Garrote to go to 7?

This is to activate Darkest Night, forgot to mention

[spice spire]

7

[balmy condor]

You would mutilate

[spice spire]

Same issue just hit mut. Happens

[bronze steppe]

Ye ye had to do a few edits xD

[spice spire]

Assume you mean 6, in order to hit 7. Just mut

Take l on waste

[bronze steppe]

Yeah

[spice spire]

And activate DN

[balmy condor]

You never want to wait to reapply the mark

[spice spire]

Marks very good

[storm hedge]

Mby it should have increased DMG from stealth then, so we don't have to set up weird stealth binds. If I played FB I would hate that cause I would just ambush from stealth...

[safe shale]

Man i read that and was so confused till he edited that

[bronze steppe]

Yeah was just asking should I go from 6 to 7 with Mutilate or with a Garrote

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s very minimal overall

[royal lantern]

[flint marsh]

anybody know if its possible to equip two nerubian embellishments?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[flint marsh]

interesting

[balmy condor]

But not sure why you would do that

When you could just double one

[storm hedge]

I could've guessed, that's why I wouldn't bother. But also would hate myself for not minmaxing

[flint marsh]

for fun of course

to confuse people who inspect me

[balmy condor]

Makes sense I guess

Nerubian enchants are just named that way so the binding can exist

[flint marsh]

ya cool

[umbral ridge]

can somebody explain to me im playing subtlety got mostly mastery gear and my damage is wack

[keen spruce]

The glowy one? that's deathmark

it's the old vendetta icon with a frog

If you wanna use an alternate one

you can go into core

[cobalt sphinx]

what are you looking to have explained

[keen spruce]

and change the icon path to interface/peepo/peepodm

[whole sand]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[keen spruce]

<-- uses this instead

[umbral ridge]

So i just switch to assasination with the same gear and i do more damage xd

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah sub is pretty hard

assassination is better in dungeons too i believe

[umbral ridge]

like my combo points usage is quite okay

i do around 400-450k

and assasination i do around 500-550k

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think "quite okay" cuts it with sub, it is a super cooldown heavy combo spec

[umbral ridge]

yeeh i know

the burst is obvisouly better on sub but ass takes time to ramp up the damage

[fluid pumice]

I want a WA that plays caramelldansen while i have kingsbane going

just full send the degen

[fluid pumice]

Oh i see it now, it wasn't showing up

[fallow canopy]

[novel star]

Aintnoway they gutted this fucker so hard

[keen tartan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bMd9hGnmfL6xB7PJ hi can i get a log review of last few pulls pick your fancy theyre all avging the same ❤️ im the raleniia

[novel star]

i actually enjoyed that boss a lot

[keen tartan]

whoever has time pls and thxx ❤️

[novel star]

what an insane nerf

[fluid pumice]

@keen spruce it's perfect

[keen tartan]

btw be as harsh as u want its all constructive

[keen tartan]

based

[storm hedge]

Which one is that? The last?

[keen spruce]

[novel star]

yeah

[slate crown]

Incredible

[fluid pumice]

The shiv one is sending me

[slate crown]

[storm hedge]

I guess I could see that, it's the only one in the dungeon pool you had to actually care about the tactics in m0

[fluid pumice]

Reprimand is just blank though, not sure how to fix

[keen spruce]

[gray flower]

Is there any reason to cast Vanish in your raid rotation if you arent running Improved Garrote or Shrouded Suffication?

[carmine shore]

Daaamn absolutely crushed me gottem king

[novel star]

right now no because of a bug

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[novel star]

but you would for ambush if it wasnt bugged yeah

or , could

[gray flower]

Oh interesting. didnt realize you could have darkest night and mark at the same time

[novel star]

its like -0.7% to not do it afaik so like whatever

[keen spruce]

why deathmark and KB desyncd

[summer cape]

Anyone got a poison macro?

[storm hedge]

What for?

[summer cape]

like cast sequence to use poisons

[storm hedge]

Lul

Just put the poisons from spellbook on your bars...

[keen spruce]

Missed 4th KB and 2nd one seems a little scuffed

[summer cape]

that's not what i asked

[keen tartan]

haha oops i must have forgot

i was on web duty bc no one else did maybe that was why

idk there was like 12 wipes or something

[keen spruce]

i'm just grabbing random late wipes

but somethin about that 2nd one doesn't look right

[safe shale]

I mean is true tho XD

[keen tartan]

yes no worries i appreciate it

[storm hedge]

If someone actually uses a cast sequence macro for that. Also it should be simple to write yourself no?

[summer cape]

the point is, i need a conditional if numbing poison is talented or if atrophic is talented

[keen tartan]

many thanks for checking, is that the only main glaring issue?

[gray flower]

should i be getting darkest night in my opener every time? feels like if you low roll CPs it can be hard to get it before deathmark runs out

[keen spruce]

oh yeah you KB'd then the boss jumped away.

[carmine shore]

Obviously phrasing brother, let me go hang up my boots over being too lazy to manage bleeds on 2 targets

[keen spruce]

gotta make sure you're keeping track of boss mechanics so your CDs don't get scuffed

[keen tartan]

[safe shale]

Your sarcasm is honestly so dire, i cant even begin to think about a logical response at this point

[keen tartan]

big thanks shmeepy

[keen spruce]

@keen tartan at 1:30 u KB

1:34

[haughty flicker]

oof

[safe shale]

target swap?