assassination

[arctic socket]

Move on

I don’t remember that far ago

[subtle tundra]

Kinda easy as long as you have a plan

[arctic socket]

Was it overtuned?

[waxen oyster]

spotters dont work

but its the same otherwise

[arctic socket]

The dot damage is wild

[subtle tundra]

I was pushing and we had assigned cds

[spice spire]

Spotter?

[fallow canopy]

let him keep fighting the good fight or smth like that

[spice spire]

I hardly know er!

[waxen oyster]

also i dont think third boss of siege

did 2 waves back in bfa

for los

[arctic socket]

I’m sad how they completely destroyed the necrotic wake weapons

Bring back og spear

[spice spire]

Ok so it wasn’t just me

[shy pecan]

You can’t lose them if you die though

[spice spire]

The first time I saw that boss

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

I was like I guess I forgot the second bit?

[normal mist]

That's why guilds exist

[spice spire]

Death

[waxen oyster]

i could have sworn he only did one wave in bfa

[slate crown]

[arctic socket]

He did

The second wave is new

[normal mist]

The smoke in the air is so thick I can't see the sky

[arctic socket]

I like to cast mine at 8cps

[hexed matrix]

only do 7 if needed to get rid of darknest night, otherwise 5+ is fine, ofc ER will let you do 3 or wahtever to proc darkest, too

[slate crown]

5 or more. Or blue combo point if you land on one.

If you have darkest night up with deathstalker, always always 7

[spice spire]

Or ER

But yeah what LE said

Smart bean

[slate crown]

🫘

[latent bluff]

Is there a cheaper alternative to whetstones?

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/beans-its-beans-beans-in-computer-gif-21443291

[arctic socket]

Mana oil

[inland heath]

is there a way to make my fan of knives glow when I got the clear the witnesess buff?

[fallen arch]

Yes

Make a wa

[arctic socket]

You can make a weakaura for tht

[spice spire]

@ Vaughn

[inland heath]

but for the actual button of fan wich is my Q not a giant shit on my screen?

[hexed matrix]

lay the WA over your action bar

woops, obvi wrong reply

[inland heath]

kekw ty

[slate crown]

Listen if a giant shit is on yours screen idn sounds like a you problem

[hexed matrix]

sounds like youre playing outlaw

[spice spire]

[hexed matrix]

[slate crown]

You Could get cheeky with it and make the weakaura glow external element and actually add the glow to your fan action button

But yada yada it’s complicated and bad and annoying just make a WA and drag it over your button

[inland heath]

yea I will do that

ty

[arctic socket]

Are ctw procs really that important to be worried about?

[inland heath]

gross I assa for life

[mossy hazel]

Quick question, was the death stalker echoing bug ever fixed?

[arctic socket]

[lapis scaffold]

with time you will notice that CTW procs is second nature after stealth

[slate crown]

I mean it’s more damage. I don’t know how much more damage but it is more if not playing vv

Is it worth dedicating your brain cells to? Maybe

IDN

[lapis scaffold]

no cap?

[arctic socket]

What fight are we not playing vv

[hard musk]

Guys, wax still doesn’t work?!

[slate crown]

No cap on a flapjack Mac

[lapis scaffold]

oh shit, thats nice

[nova aspen]

2nd pinned message in all bold letters

[arctic socket]

Use mana oil

[polar nebula]

Guys would anyone please be kind enough to explain me why dont I get clear the witnesses buff after applying deathstalkers mark? I didn't see it on bug list.

[slate crown]

Every fight cause I don’t like VV and all builds are close

[arctic socket]

Pin messages are a meme

[hexed matrix]

dont get too used to it tho if ER is going away in 11.0.5

[spice spire]

Ur lit for that big dog

[lapis scaffold]

thanks

[loud girder]

Im running out of energy on boss fights in dungeons what am i doing wrong

[spice spire]

Respect it tho

[spice spire]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[nova aspen]

the pin needs to be 10x the size and exploding with colors when theres a new pin

[lapis scaffold]

I'd say nothing.. it happens, just wait a bit

[slate crown]

I just took the raid build and moved VV to sanguine and imp garrote

[arctic socket]

True

[spice spire]

[lapis scaffold]

make a weakaura for pin messages?

[spice spire]

I saw some cursed sims last night

I hate our trinkets

[arctic socket]

Quake

[spice spire]

Hello

[arctic socket]

Wanna log review a normal

[spice spire]

Not particularly

Do you need it

If so sure

But want is a word

[arctic socket]

No I don’t

[spice spire]

I don’t crave logs

But I’m glad to help

[slate crown]

Bis response

[arctic socket]

[loud girder]

He yearns for the logs

[spice spire]

I do not yearn for the logs

I yearn for the mines

[arctic socket]

Go give George some cheese

[loud girder]

Thank you im coming from playing outlaw and it felt like i was doing it wrong

[slate crown]

Showing up with your helmet and pickaxe to the miner’s convention only to find it’s a room full of stinky people talking about crypto currency

[arctic socket]

[maiden bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

i would do horrible things

🙂

crypto bros dont count as humans

idk, put a piss plate in the room

[novel star]

Based

[dense talon]

quick question: This is a scenario where we have 8 secs left on envenom buff. Suppose we are running very low on energy and we hit a anima charged combo point (say the third one), do we use envenom immediately, use mutilate and continue building combo points or just wait for energy pooling and use envenom with 1 sec remaining to the keep uptime of enevenom?\

[novel star]

logic doesnt change

[long jetty]

So outlaw apparently is beating assassination do you think it’s cause of them only needing 2 piece where we need 4 ?

[novel star]

if outside of cds wait and play f or buff

if in cds slam it

[novel star]

its not related to tier at all, outlaw was already beating us in logs day 1 of the raid when their tier still gave them like 0.2% or whatever

assassination is just middle of the pack in single target atm

all expected

[long jetty]

Ahh ty for the response

[dense talon]

make sub great again! i dont want to learn assasination 😢

[novel star]

isnt sub doing fine tho

[dense talon]

I think assasination is still the better one in m+

[spiral gale]

Outlaw is easier than Sin, yeah?

[nova aspen]

i think the overall opinion is that outlaw is harder to play than sin, strictly because it is much higher apm

if higher apm is not an issue, than it may be easier than sin for u

[maiden girder]

yo guys, quick question, how much haste should i have as assa?

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Blud talking about a magic the gathering tournament

[slate crown]

Never been

[cosmic harness]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[sturdy stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/sols-bug-jar-silly-cat-gif-17055816138416676470

[regal snow]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[keen glade]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[torpid sparrow]

quick stupid question but why isnt the sim using fok to use the hero talent when simming mono?

[winged crest]

Hey, new here and new to rogue. Ive been looking through the pinned posts, and it seems like deathstalker and fatebound are not that far apart in single target. Any thoughts about both hero talents in m+ tho? wasnt able to find much info about

[quartz locust]

vicous venoms make mutilate more valuable than buffed FoK

[normal mist]

M+ isnt open yet

[spice spire]

It does less damage with VV

Than just not using it

[golden ginkgo]

I assume there is no reason to really track the 2 set... Just let it ride kinda thing

[torpid sparrow]

thx for the answer

[quartz locust]

Fatebound has felt better for me in M0s, just less micro managing, but I feel like as stuff lives longer deathstalker will be better

[winged crest]

Yea that's the exact feeling so far

[quartz locust]

did they fix ER/darkest night interaction? not seeing anything in the hotfix notes, but it was reapplying for me when on an charged combo point on the dummy just now

[spice spire]

Yes

Pins

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-18453366

[uneven widget]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

No worries big dog

Happens

[quartz locust]

why was it a stealth fix though lol, kind of a big deal

[spice surge]

Its not really that big

But ye probably shouldve been in the notes regardless

[nova aspen]

could've forgotten to add to notes, maybe it was an easy fix

[royal python]

Does the ascension embellishments can stack each stack 10 times independently ?

[quartz locust]

it might not translate to much more dps, but it feels so much better now

[slate crown]

It is not a big deal damage wise but it is a big deal feels wise imo

[quartz locust]

this(tm)

[spice spire]

I ain’t felt a thing in my life bud

[jaunty matrix]

anyone remembers the bot command for the sims doc

!uff

oh its above

nvm

[quartz locust]

big uff

[granite quarry]

what are we crafting for m+ and raid

[quartz locust]

a frost DK

[magic shore]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[crisp pine]

Wait I didn't know we can craft frost dks

I went with wrists, wtf

[quartz locust]

rookie mistake

[spice spire]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[crisp walrus]

Does anyone know if blizzard are planning to change the interaction with reprimand and deathstalkers mark?

[novel star]

its already fixed as of like 2/3 days ago

[crisp walrus]

Oh

[novel star]

yeh

[crisp walrus]

I haven't been logged in for 2 days

[novel star]

its in pins

[crisp walrus]

Lets fucking go

mb didnt check

[novel star]

allg

[quartz locust]

it's in the pins, i got scolded, but it was a stealth nerf, nothing aobut it in the hotfix patch notes that day

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

The only thing I scolded is dn bud

[proven jasper]

owned!

[spice spire]

[pliant remnant]

Don't read blue posts

[uncut knot]

Hey guys, was wondering is there any "bis" items to craft for the 610 pvp items as assa? im low gear so dont wanna mess that up

[pliant remnant]

They're probably written using ChatGPT

Just check the pins

[arctic socket]

Pins?

[cobalt sphinx]

depends what you already have

[spice spire]

Weapon if you need. They won’t be bis in the end, but assume you’re talking about right now

And then it’s just whatever you need

[arctic socket]

Barely know er

[vale knoll]

sorry if asked before but what missive for weapon craft

[spice spire]

Whatever you need in the moment.
We like all stats. Mastery crit is probably safe

[pliant remnant]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Doesn’t work, get off the stage

[vale knoll]

thanks

[spice spire]

[pliant remnant]

Get off the stage? I barely knew her-

Oh

Oh no

[balmy vapor]

Guys how many mobs count as AOE? for how many mobs do we use aoe rotation?

[spice spire]

Over 1 since our aoe rotation is a lot of variables

For 2 you’ll still bleed both, CT and use caustic

[lime crypt]

Man, I really wanna craft myself some gear but I don't have runed crests

[spice spire]

Which is

Essentially our aoe rotstion

[balmy vapor]

what about crimson tempest? we use it for 2 targets?

[pliant remnant]

CT is Crimson Tempest, brother

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy vapor]

ok thanks!

[spice spire]

Wait

Who asked about fan on 2 earlier

[austere zodiac]

The crit gained from my dawnthread lining isnt showing in my character stats, is this a known issue or am I missing something?

[spice spire]

They were right and I was wrong

[spice spire]

2 ways to fix this

Equip and unequip

[austere zodiac]

Yeah tried that

a few times I had 2 items equipt but the buff was only showing stats as if I had 1 equipt

[spice spire]

Or get in a flying mount and dismount to damage yourself

To try and reset the buff after healing

[austere zodiac]

Still didn't fix it, when I equip my previous belt (ilvl 600) it increases my crit chance vs my new belt (ilvl606) with dawnthread lining on it. I assume its just a visual bug?

[spice spire]

Has to be then

Are you checking your stats Raw?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you might have to drop below 80 to fix it

[austere zodiac]

just on the blizz ui character screen

yeah tried dropping below 80

[vagrant plover]

bubbling wax fixed or still doesnt work offhand ?

[gusty adder]

!ui

[subtle tundra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
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Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[ashen creek]

it looks like anima charged CPs working with deathstalkers mark fuolly now - resounding clarity worth running in ST ?

[lean quail]

hey all, sorry if this was posted somewhere already, but is there a benefit of running 2 different non-lethal poisons if there's 2 rogues in a raid comp?

[vale shore]

no, but it costs you nothing to put em on

[lean quail]

I saw that the general tip is numbing for M+ and Atrophic for raid, but if we have 2 rogues does it actually give us benefit for one to go atrophic and one to go numbing? idk if numbing even works on many bosses if at all?

[lean quail]

true

[hearty coral]

deadly or amplyfi poison? which one

[vale shore]

both

with DTB

[normal mist]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[latent crown]

cold blood only working on envenom feels like i should just use it on cd, right?

[spice spire]

Pins

[spice spire]

If you cb yeah

[jolly star]

Hi, I'm quite new with assassination, for AOE using caustic splatter, do I need to apply rupture for multiple targets ?

[nova aspen]

on cd, after the opener

[edgy crystal]

hello

[raven sonnet]

anyone got talents for silken court? 🙂

[vale shore]

it's the most clear-cut case of macroing something. If it only works with envenom, there is no reason NOT to macro them

[edgy crystal]

just wondering about crafts , i have enough to craft 2 636 items

[normal mist]

normal or hc?

[hoary fulcrum]

What do you mean after the opener?

[raven sonnet]

hc

[edgy crystal]

wich ones should i craft

[normal mist]

probably going just caustic is fine

[edgy crystal]

and can you craft items then turn them into set items?

[raven sonnet]

Warcrafts logs are down..

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

no

[nova aspen]

u use it specifically here, then on cd after

so i have 2 envenom keybinds for example

one with no macro, one with CB macro

[vale shore]

why?

[hoary fulcrum]

Why 'not' have it on the first envenom

[nova aspen]

because of the edge case talent in fatebound hero tree

[hoary fulcrum]

OH duh....

[keen viper]

any chance to kill zev kir?

[hoary fulcrum]

im thinkg DS, but we dont use it there. It's monday

[maiden tusk]

Hello! A question! Does it make a huge difference to use higher ilvl dagger in mainhand rather than offhand?

[vale shore]

yes, it makes all the difference

[normal mist]

yes

[maiden tusk]

I see, how does it affect? Any math behind it? Just curious

[normal mist]

abilities scale from the MH dmg

[vale shore]

mainhand weapon dps is the highest multiplier for doing more damage

[normal mist]

you can simply swap high ilvl to low ilvl in the main hand and check the numbers diference

First image, 606 MH dagger // Second image, 571 MH dagger

This is just an example

[novel star]

i was playing ct on court but apparently you can’t stack em on mythic? so like

when talents start really mattering ct isn’t viable anymore

late ass reply to a dead convo btw

classic

[acoustic roost]

you're not supposed to run stat weights to determine gear or what gems/enchants, or at all really. But it will show you the value of mainhand weapon dps over everything else

[subtle tundra]

woah mastery is op

let me sim stat weights

[vale knoll]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[normal mist]

Yeah pretty much

[fallow canopy]

whoa alert alert time to see all the BiS lists and stat weights on every website

[normal mist]

the guy legit explained

why he did it

[cobalt sphinx]

link the pawn string

[acoustic roost]

oh no

[solid ivy]

!builds

[normal mist]

y'all trolls

[solid ivy]

!talents

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

mastery 14 crit 12.7?????? i thought this little fucking twink whisper told me they’re equal ??

[fallow canopy]

sorry 😦 ||not sorry ||

[normal mist]

xD

[solid ivy]

!talent

[maiden tusk]

Fascinating, thanks for the knowledge guys!

[normal mist]

i guess you can't read

The talents are in the guides

[maiden tusk]

Good example!

[real granite]

i keep losing dn marks, i really need a wa that punchs me in the face

[solid ivy]

i've read them but just wonder if theres is something newer. mobs die too fast in m0

[real granite]

anyone have some beautiful wa for dn? and dont !wa me xD

[normal mist]

guides are updated my dood

[normal mist]

tempting

[lean quail]

oh that's a good question; I guess I meant for the non-spec-specific case, so the lethal poison would be instant?

[novel star]

well the different builds have descriptions for what they’re good at

[fallow canopy]

I mean it is m0, there's not really gonna be like a designated talent build for content that will barely last a week

[normal mist]

i already replied to that with !poison

[novel star]

one of which is the bleed build that says it’s good at low level content with squishy mobs

🙃

[frosty vigil]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[boreal lichen]

for fate bound rouge on silken court hc . rapid injection or master assassin ?

[normal mist]

master assassin isnt really good

[glass spade]

Does it ever make sense in ST to basically just sit during maintenance and keep re-applying envenom for rapid injection at 1 second? Sometimes I feel like in ST I spend a lot of time basically “chilling” (assuming all appropriate bleeds/poisons are active & we’re outside of our burst window)

[boreal lichen]

thats what i thought ^^

[normal mist]

That sounds correct

[kind ore]

yes that should be correct except if ur over 50%

[slim pebble]

Yall got any trinket drops

[glass spade]

If over 50 do we want to mix in some mutilates I assume?

[shell kraken]

So.. with deathstalker, do you get a in-game sound almost lika a starwars-lightsaber?

[normal mist]

NOP!

[viral meteor]

Since when has Reprimand interacted with Deathstalker?

[lapis scaffold]

This is BiS

[kind ore]

if you going over yea, get some early envenoms

[lapis scaffold]

This is a weakaura

[hollow blade]

anyone know why 593 skardyn sims less for me?
i have 593 honeybuzz and 603 fang

[lapis scaffold]

You got that from wago.io and when the buff is active you get a lightsaber "woosh" sound that can be changed for other things

[shell kraken]

https://wago.io/oEgXLFhtk ?

[lapis scaffold]

Yes, that one

[waxen oyster]

he probably added a custom sound to it

[lapis scaffold]

I find it too invasive, so mine doesnt have all the shinny stuff and just a soft beep when the mark is up

[winged crest]

Maybe because 593 is enough to make a difference. Also, if you want to be sure, you can scale Skardyn to 603/606 in raidbots before simming

[waxen oyster]

honeybuzzer is also likely overtuned tbh

something tells me a 593 on use shouldnt be critting for 3.2m

[hollow blade]

ah okay makes sense

the ara kara one also sims less at 593

in dslice and patch

[waxen oyster]

593

[winged crest]

If you want to make sure, use this feature to scale and copy the trinket you want to sim to the same ilevel as the ones you have

[tender summit]

Bubbling wax a M+ thing or good for raids aswell?

[hollow blade]

oh i've never seen that

i'll try it out

[shell kraken]

thx

[normal mist]

no problem

[stark scroll]

they all spam need then leave dung

[hollow blade]

what should i do for my 2nd spark?
this is my current gear

have dawnthread on wrist

[slim pebble]

Belt

[spice spire]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hollow blade]

with dawnthread?

[novel star]

ye

[spice spire]

I’ll never tell someone wat to do with their spark

[hollow blade]

bet

[spice spire]

[normal mist]

Real

[thorn crater]

uhm anyone that knows things about whispyr's WA?

[spice spire]

Dig your own grave I mean make your own decision big dog

[novel star]

what ab it

[thorn crater]

im using it on 2 different PCs and for some reason on one

[hollow blade]

thinking too hard for me 😭

[thorn crater]

it tracks all trinkets while in the other it does not

[winged crest]

Unless i'm selling gear

[thorn crater]

updated them both to be sure but still the same

[hollow blade]

btw are we getting spark next week?

[spice spire]

Not trying to make Mrs. foss jealous

[normal mist]

Foss is a real one

love that guy

[waxen oyster]

i have flayedwing and arakara

no spyglass

[spice spire]

Better off than me

Ara Kara and delve

[harsh stream]

hey guys, a question... I think I already know the answer, but... is it intentional to keep the tricks talent from sub as an assa after respec?

So basically I skill sub... then I do tricks on Brann, attack any enemy.. and then spec again to assa... and it still works...

[unkempt sapphire]

For court do we just accept that cds usage doesn’t really overlap the vuln phases

Or do we hold for the vuln

[slim pebble]

I have a terrible delve trinket and a 577 dark moon one

[waxen oyster]

I mean im just playing outlaw until there's more tuning.

having more mobility is fun

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-traitor-michael-scott-the-office-steve-carell-gif-17953273

[waxen oyster]

i have arakara on two chars though

[novel star]

606 spyglass sims - for me against any combination of 593skardyns/606sikran/606sacbrood

in patchwerk and dslice

so i’m not even bothering with siege today

cringe dungeon

[normal mist]

afaik its a bug

[waxen oyster]

upgrade the skardyn

[quaint dragon]

is clear the witness with deathstalk mark bugged?

[novel star]

no?

[waxen oyster]

i just havent bothered farming

[novel star]

what’s the issue ur having

[quaint dragon]

I dont get clear the witness after aplying deathstalk mark

[novel star]

have never experienced that

[waxen oyster]

by the time im playing again where skardyn is needed m+ will be out

[cobalt sphinx]

someone else said the same thing

i wonder if it's a bug

[novel star]

huh

[quaint dragon]

I have it constantly

like 1/5 deathmarks

[spice spire]

I don’t track ctw

[quaint dragon]

deathstalk mark

[spice spire]

[novel star]

where are you looking to see ctw

[spice spire]

Buff bar I assume

[quaint dragon]

weakaura and buff bar

[novel star]

ah kk

was gonna say if it’s whispyr wa u might just have vv talented but if it’s actually not giving u the buff then idk

game sucks

[quaint dragon]

ye a shit ton of bugs

[blazing wraith]

Is there a subreddit for log analyzing?

[spice spire]

Subreddit?

[novel star]

must be super rare or a ping thing tho cause that’s never happened to me ever

[blazing wraith]

Err, sorry, channel hahaha

[spice spire]

Just rawdog it

And I’ll get a green name to thread

Usually I do them

But who knows maybe someone else will beat me to it

[novel star]

freakin nerd

[vocal minnow]

huh you can spec sub to get the 1h tricks on bran and then just go back to sin and keep the buff

[spice spire]

Yes

That’s the tech for delves

[vocal minnow]

thats no tech thats a bug

[novel star]

does running 8 t8 delves non bountiful fill your vault with 616

[vocal minnow]

tech is stay trickster

[novel star]

or is it only bountifuls

[quaint dragon]

just t8

[novel star]

that’s insane then

[soft void]

New to rogue pve, give it to me straight. Looking for the 2-3 big things I'm messing up. Either lacking in gear or rotation. I know buffs are shit and it's just LFR, but still. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/khH9rZn7GMQxwfNj#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=201

[kind stump]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

MOOOOOODS give quake his thread immediately

[spring moat]

What’s a good target for envenom uptime

[quaint dragon]

big target

[spice spire]

@silk bane or @spice surge can you thread

[blazing wraith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/gabroni?zone=38#boss=2902
Could someone peep at this for me? Trying to see what I can do for a big improvement

[spice spire]

Also here @silk bane or @spice surge

[novel star]

quake boutta doublekill

[spice spire]

[novel star]

lfg

that was sick

[cobalt sphinx]

i think 90+, sims should show it too

[spice surge]

[cobalt sphinx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cobalt sphinx]

sim has 91.8% envenom uptime on bis gear, i was looking at a couple logs and people were getting 90%

i have 80% and i suck

[silk bane]

dm me the log. ill go through it later with you when i get home tonight

[spice spire]

Oh

I just want you to maktbread

Thread

I’ll do it

[silk bane]

oh sure okay

[spice spire]

Yeah

I’m not gonna summon u 2 work

Hated that shit

[silk bane]

Rhyl Log review

[spice spire]

That way they can just have a place to reference and not go back to check a ton of messages

[silk bane]

Big Al Log review

❤️

[solid ivy]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[novel star]

a quake log analysis would fix me man

[spring moat]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aqb3w1zfHCY9FkRt

Shred me boys.

I already have picked up alot of pointers over the past few days from this discord

[subtle tundra]

buddy i dont even see a rogue

[fleet pagoda]

indeed

[shy pecan]

Guessing the wrong log.

[spring moat]

Woops

Alt run

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4JZGXcYarQRtNHDy

[novel parcel]

Is there a chance I could snag a review of this boss fight too? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3yJq29pFwZTnvWKV#type=damage-done&fight=last I'm the bottom rogue, I am so so confused how/why the other 2s kingsbane does so so much more then mine. I tried looking myself but I am completely clueless :(

[worldly bridge]

Hey would anyone know a video of a rogue pov for 2 last bosses on hm ?

[hexed frost]

Can anyone share a shrouded/imp Garr/sanguine st build?

[spice spire]

@silk bane and another

[spice spire]

@slate crown does it

Also log review guys

I’m working and just a man

Pls be patient with me

I’ll do it

[uneven plume]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/px7z6VPfwadH1h3N#fight=18&type=damage-done

Can anyone take a look and see what I could do better? Maybe pooling advice

[spice spire]

But getting the Quadra

Ain’t it

I’m

Oentakill ig

[ashen scroll]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[uneven plume]

I feel like i struggle with pooling

[spice spire]

Need 3 more Armin sir

[silk bane]

Tristan Log Review

[novel star]

lmfaoooo

[silk bane]

youre gonna be hella busy today lol

[novel star]

quake overtime holy shit

the goat

[hexed frost]

Wdym you struggle. Just go grab a coffee or quick bio while energy fills upto 80%

[uneven plume]

its 80%?

not 80?

[silk bane]

Stabbycatto log review

[hexed frost]

Or 70%

[fleet pagoda]

with deathstalker/no sb, you're more playing to chain envenoms than pool

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/what-disappointed-turtle-turtles-waqkiz-gif-7093195327673666382

[uneven plume]

so about 240 energy?

[hexed frost]

Yeah

[spice spire]

I know

[novel star]

it depends on your build.

[spice spire]

I’m getting to them as I can ofc

[uneven plume]

imp garrote build

[novel star]

deathstalker with sanguine doesn’t want to go above 50%

[spice spire]

Gonna log review > work > log review > work etc

[novel star]

because you get less envenoms so less mark cycles

[silk bane]

Moritz Log review

[silk bane]

my king. youre the best of us

[novel star]

if you’re fatebound you pool to 70% or whatever but ds wants to avoid dipping into sanguine territory

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[uneven plume]

What about uptime overall for envenom

90%+?

[novel star]

90% is a good goal

wont always happen

[uneven plume]

nah that seems suepr hard

super*

[novel star]

but it’s good to have 90% on the mind

you can get higher

[uneven plume]

what about for Kingsbane (Not DM). We pool to about full right?

[novel star]

just kinda hard

[uneven plume]

mini burn

[novel star]

not really

[fleet pagoda]

you had 85% uptime on a boss with an dodge intermission

[novel star]

pool a bit but not to full, burst window energy is what your teas are for

[uneven plume]

is that bad?

[hexed frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i was comparing logs for kyveza, i was getting 80 vs top players getting 90

[fleet pagoda]

no? seems like you're doing what you should be doing, just don't worry about pooling with deathstalker, really, and carry along merrily

especially on that two target fight, you'll probably always have energy to send more muts+envenoms in a raid environment

[uneven plume]

How important is none imp garrote uptime?

[unreal kayak]

does shiv on main target increase caustic splash onto other targets

[whole sand]

100%

[fleet pagoda]

all bleed uptime is good, bleed = energy

[uneven plume]

i felt like i was zooming in that boss fight to get garrote up perma

[whole sand]

no

[pure raptor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[flat oasis]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

bleeds are always prio over anything that isn’t a bleed

except darkest night now i guess XDDDDDDD

[hexed frost]

Guys how to deal with marks falling off on ulgrax (during the charge and feeding rp) and bloodbound horror (the shadow realm add phase)?

Just vanish?

[novel star]

yeh

play vv build and hold vanish for ambush

[whole sand]

well designed spec

[novel star]

don’t bother with imp garrote imo

[fleet pagoda]

i've been sending another imp garrote instead of clear the witnesses to get full duration on that in deathmark in the opener and holding vanish for after intermission

[novel star]

imp garrote and vv build currently sim like pretty much exactly tied in overall

imp gar just shifts the damage more to deathmark burst

which isn’t like necessary on those bosses

cause they don’t have any dps check iirc

vv qol clears

[fleet pagoda]

doesn't that take a ton of value out of vv since you spend a lot of time runnin around waiting for cd's to return?

[whole sand]

what

[novel star]

wut

[fleet pagoda]

well if we're saying imp garrote vs vv is about imp garrote value in deathmark

[novel star]

you smack the boss and then you soak the frontal and smack the adds there’s no waiting

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah cooldown specs should be favored with downtime unless they are horribly aligned

[jade abyss]

stacks dawnthread?

[novel star]

yes dawnthread

[fleet pagoda]

no waiting is hyperbole, there's absolutely downtime

taking vv for hitting adds feels cursed

[novel star]

for ulgrax ye

but are your cds even aligning with after the feed phase ends

?

or are you holding them which is just bad

[fleet pagoda]

yah, you can send DM pretty much right away

[snow harness]

Question. I was able to get the head from the raid last night. Should I go ahead and use the catalyst to make a second piece to get the (2) set bonus or should I wait for tomorrow to see what the vault gives?

Also, which piece should I make into the tier and is Champion good enough for the item or wait for Hero?

[whole sand]

yeah he's down for 1 minute so he comes back up at 2:30

[iron valve]

I'd wait, no reason not to

[novel star]

wait for vault

[uneven plume]

should prob only prio hero tier pieces at this point

[hexed frost]

So the bleed st is this build, if I'm not wrong

[shy pecan]

That’s single target in general

[cobalt sphinx]

it has no vv though

[novel star]

how much worse is stiletto exactly vs ascension combo

[uneven plume]

you swap to Caustic for a cleave fight

[novel star]

someone in guild tryna get siphoning stiletto crafted and i cant allow this

need a scary number

‼️

[fleet pagoda]

let him craft it and use him as a live test

[scenic kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iHAmFvVH3tjhFSAhQu5TA5

[novel star]

lmfao

[cobalt sphinx]

606 siphoning is only a .2% loss vs ascendance 606

[novel star]

nah i already searched history and yapped about it

[scenic kelp]

ups, sry i want to ask in this build is iron wire skilled. i know for grp this is a good choice but dmg wise will lightweight shiv a better option?

[novel star]

0.2% loss and worse aoe but you have to damage yourself

cant be ever worth lol

unless ur REALLY poor

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it's clearly worse in every scenario but what about the flavor

[novel star]

true

[cobalt sphinx]

well actually it might be better on short fights before ascendance stacks, i did 5 min patchwerk

[fleet pagoda]

the number is probably up very slightly with the extra shiv but iron wire is one of the best nodes in our tree, don't be tempted to forsake it

[iron valve]

what if I wanna die tho

[novel star]

i mean we’re gonna be doing hc/mythic so

if homie was just a filler for normals or something i wouldn’t yap at em ab it but

[loud trench]

Is it worth crafting the 636 dagger next week with the free crest w/embellishment? Or is there more tuning coming

[cobalt sphinx]

it's runed

[solid ivy]

!kingsbane

[cobalt sphinx]

you need a gilded crest for 636

[uneven plume]

90 of them

[slate crown]

What are you looking for?

[solid ivy]

if i shall only spend cp in envenom during KB, no matter what happens with bleed ending (if im noob and run out of bleed)

[slate crown]

Keep your bleeds up

[waxen oyster]

that should never happen

[loud trench]

Shit it is, misread that. I guess question still applies since it’s 10? 15? Per daily reset for m+? For 9+ so 90 should take a few days of +9

Is the embellishment and cost still worth it or just save for the belt/wrist

[pliant gazelle]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[cobalt sphinx]

daily reset.. m+..

[subtle tundra]

wah

wtf did he write

[loud trench]

Is it weekly? Haven’t played since shadowlands and M0 was daily lol

[cobalt sphinx]

m+ you can run whenever as long as you have a key

you can get 90 gilded crests tomorrow if you are a legendary gamer

[loud trench]

Ah I’m dumb lol 😂

[fleet pagoda]

farming +9's week one if you think you're up to it, go ahead

[cobalt sphinx]

you don't even necessarily need the embellishment, you can make a dagger without one

it's gonna be expensive regardless

they can always be recrafted

[novel star]

should be me

but nobody want me

[subtle tundra]

aaaaaaa NA players...

[loud trench]

Yea I just read the pins for ascension and didn’t know if it was still technically bis or not

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAA

[novel star]

Sorry

[subtle tundra]

i havent even finished raid...

[novel star]

nothings changed, dawnthread better in aoe and often tied in st

[novel star]

i mean i’m entering hc first time in 6 hrs so

[cursive flicker]

Yo did the echoing reprimand bug preventing it from working correctly with death stalker get fixed?

[novel star]

yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[novel star]

[spice spire]

Pins have the info you crave

Including build post fox

[novel star]

quake get outta here get back to ur threads

[spice spire]

I’m taking a break

I’ve done 2/5

[novel star]

growls and snarls and barks

[cursive flicker]

Brother idk what a pin even is

[spice spire]

Im working fuck off

[novel star]

sorry

[spice spire]

Oh sorry it ain’t that serious dog

[weary spear]

what are people doing for ulgrax parses for add phase? vanish spread a couple garotte's and ruptures then caustic a KB?

[novel star]

i’ll go…. sighhhhh

[spice spire]

Mobile or computer

[cursive flicker]

Mobile

[past bobcat]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

tucks my tail between my legs in sadness

[spice spire]

Click channel name at top, look for the text that says pine and click it

It shows a lot of important messages of the channel

It’s a good tool specifically in this discord to have

[cursive flicker]

Ah, tytyty

[onyx linden]

This doesn't make sense? Knife is a passive

[opal chasm]

am I going crazy, does clear the witness buff pop-up if you reapply deathstalker mark due to darkest night?

[spice spire]

No worries homie best of luck if you have any question -

[loud trench]

Yes

[opal chasm]

TY

[spice spire]

Yeah grace also doesn’t take ur stats during the dm window

(Found that in a log today)

[fleet pagoda]

he's talkin' about the text under saying it's on-use

[onyx linden]

Yeah but guide shouldn't be comparing it to grace, but another passive

[spice spire]

Oh think he means

[weary spear]

Am i mistaken or does that tip tell us to stay under 50% energy for deathstalker? i thought pooling around 200 and keeping envenom uptime was ideal

[spice spire]

It’s surprisingly good

But it’s proc keeps it under

Idk man

[subtle tundra]

different talents different playstyles

bud

[fleet pagoda]

[spice spire]

Trinket is good until it fucks you and ruins ur parse

[weary spear]

what talent makes staying under 50% energy a good thing

[novel star]

deathstalker wants to keep pressing finishers to cycle the mark. going above 50% means sanguine blades means less energy means less mark consumptions

[spice spire]

Sanguine blades

[edgy crystal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spice spire]

Sb doesn’t take energy if under 50%

Anyway back to work wish me luck

[novel star]

good luck quake

[weary spear]

playing vicious venoms anyways though

[novel star]

then it doesn’t matter rly

you still care more about cycling mark than having a perfect huge envenom chain tho

[uncut knot]

Hey was wondering, if i want to focus only MM+ as assa, what wep enchant should i use on my weapons (rank 2 cauz 3 is too expensive) i've seen blodmallets sim but i would love ur takes on this

[weary spear]

better to pool higher that way we have more envenoms during shiv windows etc. yeah ?

[novel star]

i mean before cds sure

[weary spear]

copy that ty

[novel star]

but you’re also saving your teas for cds

so

[weary spear]

ah trie

true*

[cobalt sphinx]

i think it's radiant for m+, depths for st raid

[novel star]

^

[solid venture]

Arent we not using shiv at all outside of kb ?

[novel star]

yep

[fleet pagoda]

if you're playing one-shiv you can use it every 30s, just try to not send it late and desync your cd's

[proven zealot]

Can i cloak Queen Anusrek pull in intermission?

[west crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[fleet pagoda]

I don't think so, you can tempt fate with a well timed shadowstep if you call it too close though

[weary spear]

one more question. do you guys double tea your kingsbane if close to being charge-capped, and then only use tea for the last 6 seconds if you're not capped?

[edgy crystal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[wintry mauve]

!pi

[novel star]

tea and kingsbane are kinda unrelated now

you just tea for energy to mash in shiv which happens to always be aligned with kb

[weary spear]

ah okay

[wintry mauve]

is there any sort of spreadsheet for how much we benefit from PI?

[cinder quartz]

i tea whenever i'm close to breaking envenom chain, and if i won't cap during shivved kb

[novel star]

if your envenom uptime breaks outside of cds you should just pool and start again

don’t use tea outside of cds cause it’s a waste of the mastery

[waxen oyster]

Sim with PI enabled

[snow harness]

So what's the consensus with Shadow Binding Ritual Knife trinket? Paired good with Sacbrood if we don't have Skardyn's Grace yet?

[waxen oyster]

who tf is giving PI to an assa rog

thats a 1iq move

[novel star]

rapid injection is good but not good enough to sacrifice kb windows afaik

[agile geode]

in execute PI on sin rogue is pretty good

[vivid crown]

it's a good trinket regardless of having grace or not

[novel star]

whispyrs typed messages about all this you could prolly find

[cinder quartz]

well it also lets you keep pressing your buttons instead of having to repool

[novel star]

sure but what does that really mean

[waxen oyster]

skardyn’s isn’t even all that

[novel star]

do you want to press more inefficient buttons or more efficient buttons

[wintry mauve]

one of the priests in my guild was asking me if it was still good to put on assa like in df, I had no idea

[novel star]

it’s the same amount of buttons

just shifted to have more in shiv when it matters

[cinder quartz]

i dont know enough to say one way or the other

[vivid crown]

grace, knife, sac, toxin all top tier trinkies outside of the obvious contract

[waxen oyster]

its only good because its a 2min on use attainable at higher ilvls

like if you could get myth/hero of the candlestick on use it’d be good too

[novel star]

well in both situations you have the 10% rapid injection buff but only in one situation do you have that + 30% nature taken debuff from shiv + a faster stacking kingsbane because you can mash harder

[cinder quartz]

kingsbane max cap on how strong it could get was much higher in DF so you could PI to go super saiyan

[waxen oyster]

honestly during m0 week if you have alot of mastery from gear

[novel star]

and it’s kinda clear which one would benefit more from mastery too as a result

[cinder quartz]

now its capped at a much more attainable level

[waxen oyster]

skardyn’s is likely weaker than a haste on use

[half tartan]

What's the general feel / consensus of fatebound vs deathstalker? For sin in dungeons / in raid?

[wintry mauve]

ahh true I forgot about that, ngl kinda happy to not have to be PI slave anymore

[cinder quartz]

fatebound seems better if you don't wanna deal with the mechanics of deathstalkers mark

[fleet pagoda]

both good.

[vivid crown]

ds is definitely a little better now that ER is fixed, but they're not so far apart that you're being dumb for running one over the other

[novel star]

completely preference, they sim shockingly close together compared to what other specs/classes are dealing with.

[vivid crown]

play what you like

[fallow marsh]

Are delve trinkets currently overvalued during raid bot sims? Asking to make sure before I trust what droptimizer is spitting out for me

[novel star]

FB still sims only ~1.5%worse than ds for my character using the new apl

[fleet pagoda]

some strong delve trinkets right now, they'll end up losing to ilvl of season stuff

[novel star]

would be like over 2 if they fixed ambush, i guess

[fallow marsh]

Okay so even Ilvl they are pretty comparable to what’s considered bis?

[novel star]

but that’s still not enough to sacrifice fun

[vivid crown]

i know SeConDaRy StAts but that's probably why. at least in my case. but i also don't have any tier so

[fleet pagoda]

sim it for yourself big dawg. it may be different from character to character

[novel star]

it is stats yeah

fatebound gets more crit value than ds

[fleet pagoda]

but mostly yeah, if not bis at low/similar ilvl then competitive with it

[novel star]

but fatebound does also get more from tier (i don’t think ds mechanics get anything at all? idk)

[fallow marsh]

I have been 😂 that’s why I’m asking if this can be trust

[cinder quartz]

got hero shadow binding knife

[vivid crown]

fuck you

and congratulations

[novel star]

nice

[fleet pagoda]

you can trust the robot, he's a top lad

[cinder quartz]

back when it was f tier, so i sold it

jk

[novel star]

i vendored a scroll of momentum when they still weren’t able to sim correctly

[cinder quartz]

ignore weakaura that put ilvl, its out of date

[waxen oyster]

i wish people understood why bis is bis

[snow harness]

I got a champion shadow-binding knife when it was F tier and almost tossed it but kept it just incase. Glad I kept it

[waxen oyster]

and not just repeat garbage found on some lists

[fallow marsh]

Can you explain it so me and my fellow stupids understand it?

[novel star]

i mean this is even worse than a bis list cus it’s legit just a tier list

[shy pecan]

People just like living in the stone age of Wow sometimes

[novel star]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[shy pecan]

Exactly this

[fallow marsh]

❤️

[waxen oyster]

Like ritual knife is pretty obvious

its good because it gives a fuckton of mainstat

[fleet pagoda]

they're more about "teach a man to fish" here

[waxen oyster]

the only thing you would question is

how frequent is the negative proc

[shy pecan]

Hacha was saying like once every 15 mins, but some people were saying they've gotten multiple procs in a boss fight. So seems very RNG

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

arakara gives a gross amount of mainstat

[fallow marsh]

I’m good with that so long as it’s not an ancient proverb I’m meant to decipher 😂

[cinder quartz]

across my 9 kills, it procced 17 times

[waxen oyster]

and people act like a 5% hit to that will dethrone it

[cinder quartz]

fewer times than my bubbling wax

[novel star]

it’s so fucked up man

[cinder quartz]

seems like maybe no ICD either

[novel star]

bis for everyone who breathes air

[vivid crown]

i do love me some sac

[novel star]

i love stirring my sack for agi

[cinder quartz]

at least it isn't branch and having to play find the orbs

[novel star]

we got transmitter and edict for that

biggest bait trinkets

[faint path]

really?

[uneven plume]

transmitter is not bait (Transmitter lover here)

[cinder quartz]

delver map

[uneven plume]

mini game just gets annoying

[dull minnow]

Should I aim to maintain thistle teas in stealth primarily ?

[cinder quartz]

i've been told to tea in late KB

[shy pecan]

When you need the energy and during shiv windows.

[waxen oyster]

there is one of those

[cobalt sphinx]

[waxen oyster]

the threads trinket

[cobalt sphinx]

time to queue arakara

[waxen oyster]

got it my 2nd m0

[dull minnow]

Mmm okie curious thank you

[waxen oyster]

I should do one more delve

since i got a map

[vivid crown]

just one more

[cinder quartz]

return of my branch weakaura? say less

[waxen oyster]

i mean, my only slot below 606 is my gloves

[vivid crown]

what if you get myconic 610 gloves

i did...

[waxen oyster]

decent

my first 2 maps were chest and cloak

[slate crown]

Dog you did not have to find the branch orbs

They found you

You could do it with your eyes closed because they home onto you

AFAIK transmitter doesn’t do that, so you do actually have to find them

I don’t have it yet tho, lost the roll

[sturdy stirrup]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[cinder quartz]

just letting orbs come to you was bad, or at least not the good way to do that

[limber flax]

Seems like they fixed Echoing Reprimand for Darkest Night

I just tried it again and it works, was this a long time ago?

[normal mist]

a bit

[cinder quartz]

just a cuople days ago i think

[slate crown]

I’m not saying just letting them come to you. You side step twice, then to other direction, then stay still, that was optimal.

And if you were off by like 1ft, the orbs would correct for that fact because they were homing

[limber flax]

Well thats great, does Resounding Clarity worth it now?

[cinder quartz]

pins have more info for you ❤️

[limber flax]

Oh great, thanks

[daring glen]

anyone have a potion macro

[novel star]

balls bird

[daring glen]

i used quality 2 potions before now i use 3 and i cant get it to wrk

[novel star]

balls bird

[daring glen]

yes balls bird

[novel star]

i dont have ur macro just

balls bird

[sturdy stirrup]

[spice trail]

dont worry, i completely missed it too, i just saw it on a training dummy and was mildly confused

[visual hemlock]

is there a way to not get pulled to queen ansurek during transition?

[rotund oak]

is that for dslice?

[novel star]

walk away

dont think you can cloak it or anything might be wrong

[rotund oak]

cant cloak,need to run away

[novel star]

yeh

thot so

[rotund oak]

dont ask me how ive learned

😅

[novel star]

lol

that boss is fuckin fun man

[whole sand]

i just stepped a guy

[novel star]

only done it on normal still but

[fallow canopy]

same

[novel star]

what a cool fight

gonna be insane to watch in rwf

[whole sand]

warr's get to bladestorm it like wtf

[novel star]

LMAO

[rotund oak]

warriors are busted this tier

fr

[plucky fable]

hello someone have a macro for tricks or trade? 😮

[rotund oak]

u wanna tricks brann dont u

[whole sand]

i can't wait to not touch delves ever again next week

[rotund oak]

yup same

its basicly over

irrelevant content

!tot

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[rotund oak]

@plucky fable

[cobalt sphinx]

.4% gain on dslice over 610 gnashing fang garbage @rotund oak

[plucky fable]

thxx 😄

[cobalt sphinx]

so pretty good on dslice

[rotund oak]

you are welcome fam

[rotund oak]

yeah arakara trinket is basicly a solid m+ trinket

but ild still pick skandryns and spyglass

like grimbatol trinket is idk

too good

eveyrthing else pales

[cobalt sphinx]

flayedwing might be okayish too

it sims really well on sub at least

[rotund oak]

coz its shadowdmg and it amps from the sub tree

[arctic socket]

Ara Ara trinket goes hard

[cobalt sphinx]

there are quite a few usable trinkets out there

[worldly bridge]

Hey i think im doing something wrong pls help 😦

Sometimes during boss fights my deathstalker mark just disappear and i dont have the buff that reapplies it. How am i supposed to do if vanish is on CD ? 😦 And why is it going away ?

[cobalt sphinx]

go back in time and save vanish

hope this helps

[worldly bridge]

xd

[arctic socket]

The fayedwing trinket sims higher than my spyglass but I refuse to use it

Over eyeglass

[rotund oak]

u cant reapply it if u have no vanish

but just a FYI

there is a rare bug that consumes the mark when u kill a marked target with ur DN proc

[novel star]

why

you just click it every hour with ur poisons

[arctic socket]

I grinded like since Tuesday for that spyglass

[worldly bridge]

nah it was during Silken HM

[arctic socket]

I’m like not

[novel star]

or macro it to kb and forget it exists lol

[arctic socket]

Not gonna use it

[novel star]

spyglass sucks buddy

[arctic socket]

Graze sucks

[novel star]

D:

(what is that)

[rotund oak]

spyglass too high value

[arctic socket]

The grim batol one

[kind forge]

!wa

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[worldly bridge]

So if the mark disappear its a buggy interaction, not a mistake from me ?

[late kestrel]

with the build that has only one charge of shiv - when do I use it? before kingsbane? during?

[rotund oak]

mark doesnt disappear

like it did

its fixed

[novel star]

when kingsbane has 8s duration left

[cobalt sphinx]

i haven't had it happen but i wouldn't be surprised if there was a rare interaction

[rotund oak]

and with the ER-DN interaction u can pretty much chain it

[novel star]

to cover the part of kb that has the most stacks

then send the other charge on cd ig

[cursive knoll]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[worldly bridge]

i can assure u it did. i'm on Silken HM i think its because sometimes 1 boss leaves

[cobalt sphinx]

isn't that just you marking the wrong target then?

you can play around that by marking the target that isn't about to burrow out

[bleak crag]

Is there a way to analyze a parse somehow website or something and check what can be improved

[haughty flicker]

group finder is reminding me how pugging m+ is going to go after reset

i cant even get into an m0

at 598

[wicked lynx]

[worldly bridge]

Yeah if u mark the wrong target and the marked boss leave the fight

the mark is gone when he's back

[wicked lynx]

I’ve had 0 issues

[worldly bridge]

and im fucked until my next vanish

[haughty flicker]

im happy for you

[bleak crag]

Ive had 0 issues either , but I have decent prior raider io

Maybe people check that

[wicked lynx]

Are you queueing at weird times for your region?

[sturdy fable]

Best embellishments for assa rogue aoe?

[haughty flicker]

this is the first time ive had issues

but issues there are

[runic depot]

are runed harbringer crests account wide??

i just logged into my alt and got 50 out of the blue

when i finished a biot of heroic on main

[subtle tundra]

where is the assa nerf

wtf