assassination

[spice spire]

Busto

[past forum]

perma tricks seems to get really weird when you enter and leave combat a bunch

[rotund oak]

thats 605 quipped,could upgrade some stuff but cba burning VS

[spice spire]

[haughty flicker]

the fact that m0 is simultanously ass but also the only real source of valorstones outside of raids feels bad lmao

i have so few vs, im being stingy af

[past forum]

dirt gang

[runic hinge]

imagine not spending every vs you get on upgrading dumb ass explorer gear

[spice spire]

I decided to send it

[haughty flicker]

dirt got nerfed into the ground

ironically

[spice spire]

Have a ton of 606 stuff

[haughty flicker]

my hunter is 607, geared af

my rogue is a rat

[spice spire]

Running 580 chest + neck Unfort

[haughty flicker]

xd

[shy pecan]

But not as fun as chilling with the homies

[spice spire]

True

I’ve run with uh

10 people total this week

[rotund oak]

u can be like 600+ in no time,craft some stuff,rng 2 loots from bountifuls

[past forum]

my remaining 3 preseason pieces got replace in heroic tonight, including weapy

[rotund oak]

ive got heroic wpn btw

616

[brave swift]

normal dropped 2 daggers then heroic dropped none 😦

[spice spire]

We didn’t kill heroic blood

[past forum]

we were so close to killing kyvesa tonight but our tank had to bedge so no regicide for me this week

[real granite]

if you clip stealth and ambush and the mob dies with the ambush, stealth does not break, am i crazy? is this known?

[spice spire]

Wednesday raid and wasn’t geared at all

[shy pecan]

That boss is annoying

[spice spire]

Which boss

[shy pecan]

Blood

[spice spire]

Yeah

Honestly our tanks killed it

We just lacked some dam from gear

It’s a chill guild I’m not sweating

[shy pecan]

You're on this side of the room? Let's spawn the adds on the other side!

[rotund oak]

ovinax eggs bruh

[spice spire]

[past forum]

blood taught me a very painful lesson - never trust a mage for shadowstep

[shy pecan]

Yeah, totally looking forward to dealing with the eggs

[rotund oak]

just stay on the one under his butt,we clear the 3 on the sides and then one for ranged in the middle side

[past forum]

"mage is on other side of the beam, imma shadowstep them" mage blinks across a beam into a minefield of tentacles, killing me instantly

[rotund oak]

4 sectors,4 eggs

if u dont have dps rip

[runic hinge]

we did 7/8 and then 1/8 H and im worried for our tanks

[haughty flicker]

ive won roll on tier twice in a row in this normal puig

so rat for not much longer

[rotund oak]

🤘

[shy pecan]

Couldn't have been that bad

[rotund oak]

ive got 0 tier pieces but saving my catalyst for hero track gear at least and pushing 2.1 in arena maybe

[runic hinge]

wasn't worse than that

[haughty flicker]

we pumping

i have acquired a pocket aug

[rotund oak]

its 1.2% gain btw

kinda

[haughty flicker]

yeah but i had 561 gloves and 584 shoulders lmao

now 600 each

[rotund oak]

yuuuge

[haughty flicker]

big stonks

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[shy pecan]

You guys are doing better than other guilds that are more "serious" about raiding and have like 10+ ilvls on you

[spice spire]

Yeah we’re doing fine

I just gotta do better this week

[rotund oak]

you will fam 🤘

im not rly interested alot in raid this time around tbh

trinkets are from m+

so its whatever tier

might raid on my mage though

bis gear is all from queen

[novel star]

i won normal regicide so i gotta offhand it

[rotund oak]

u can use any vault dagger instead of regicide though

[novel star]

don’t wanna spend runed yet

[rotund oak]

it wont matter

[novel star]

yeh

if i get one

:3

[rotund oak]

first thing in ur vault fam

:3

[novel star]

surely

the 616 delve slots

have a dagger

[rotund oak]

yup yup

[empty shadow]

My damage is so trash, getting beat by people in blues.

I don't understand.

[novel star]

can post logs, some people in here are good at analyzing em

[shy pecan]

Yeah, can’t really say what you’re screwing up on without more info

[radiant torrent]

Is there a bug where you randomly lose your deathmark on the target?

[empty shadow]

How fast do you put Deathmark in the opener?

[novel star]

used to be but i haven’t experienced it since the er fix personally

[empty shadow]

I feel like the opener is taking way too long.

[novel star]

after bleeds/dice/envenom

our opener is just kinda long

check the guide

wowhed

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cosmic harness]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[empty shadow]

It takes forever to get the Envenom without Echoing.

[novel star]

shouldn’t

[empty shadow]

I have studied the opener for weeks now.

It shouldnt be like this.

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/never-goon-bozonga-hjjw-saraiva-skibidi-gif-15011026571260862033

[novel star]

you have enough energy to mash the whole thing even if you don’t get crits

[rotund oak]

very rare but there is a case when u envenom with DN on a dying target with mark on and the mark is canceled.Least ive notitced that,but its very rare

[balmy condor]

It’s 1 gcd longer ain’t it

[novel star]

yea

[balmy condor]

Like you press echoing, if it crits you’re on 3, that’s animacharged gg

If it doesn’t you’re on 2

You mut

[empty shadow]

I'm Fatebound.

My damage is complete ass.

[balmy condor]

Well then it’s still 2 gcds

[novel star]

on fatebound you just mutilate twice or 3 if you’re unlucky

[empty shadow]

How can I get beat by someone in Blues?

[balmy condor]

Again

[novel star]

we don’t know without logs

[balmy condor]

Without logs

It’s impossible to know

[novel star]

you might be messing up a hundred different things or one specific very bad thing

[rotund oak]

log something and post it here,we can check you out fam

[novel star]

no logs no info can’t help

[empty shadow]

Okay okay.

[novel star]

[empty shadow]

I have to learn how to get logs.

Brb later.

[novel star]

there’s a command for it i think

don’t know what it is

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[novel star]

nope

[pliant remnant]

[novel star]

not that

ermmmm

[empty shadow]

Maybe someone can just post a screenshot of their dungeon boss break down.

And I can compare it.

[pliant remnant]

!wcl

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[shy pecan]

That’s not how that works.

[novel star]

there it is

[shy pecan]

Just comparing damage breakdowns doesn’t tell us what you’re doing.

[novel star]

logs would be the most helpful thing so we can see exactly when you’re pressing buttons in the rotation

[radiant torrent]

I did record both times it happened to me and it seems like exactly that yeah, got unlucky twice i guess

[rotund oak]

thats criminal in terms of getting information out of your details

[cobalt sphinx]

do you have the right build

[shy pecan]

If you just raided or something, then you can probably look it up on WCL

[empty shadow]

You all might be able to see something instantly that I dont see, is what im saying.

[shy pecan]

That won’t tell the full story

[rotund oak]

yup yup,its a thing but very rare.Its mostly a thing when u try to accelerate ur openers in dungeons(setting up ur marks for chainpulls

[empty shadow]

Okay Ill try to come back with logs.

[rotund oak]

i usually now gar=>envenom=>gar=>rup=>fok for ctw etc

[shy pecan]

Did you raid or do dungeons?

[novel star]

also dude wow caustic is fucking depressing on rashanan

[cobalt sphinx]

are you talking about boss damage or overall damage including trash? and what talents are you using

[novel star]

like

98 parse on that fucker with my caustic doing 500k damage total

[empty shadow]

I'm talking about everything.

[novel star]

useless talent

[empty shadow]

I got beat by a Frost mage on a dungeon boss, they are in blues.

[shy pecan]

What’s your character’s name and server? We can probably just look it up on WCL.

[rotund oak]

frost mage is bonkers

u should never win good mages

[empty shadow]

Frost mage is bonkers, enough said.

[cobalt sphinx]

well on a dungeon boss they'll have icy veins the whole fight

[rotund oak]

i do 600k overalls on my mage and i dont even have gear

frost mage is very strong

[empty shadow]

I got beat by Ele also on that boss.

[rotund oak]

ele pumps as well

[past forum]

Man, ER bugix really gets you churning through DNs. Feels so smooth

[rotund oak]

one of the storngest ST specs in the game

[empty shadow]

Sin is middle of the pack, I guess I should just bow down and accept defeat.

GG.

[night summit]

how can i imporve my raid dmg https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vT9pQNCJVPc34DqH#fight=3&type=damage-done

[rotund oak]

no u shouldnt

[novel star]

other classes being better than you does not ever mean you should accept mediocrity

optimize what you’re playing

compare against other sins

[empty shadow]

Oh I was receiving the wrong implication then.

[novel star]

nah

[rotund oak]

but that doesnt mean u can compare to classes u dont understand and just ignore ur own mistakes,thats why we ask for logs

[novel star]

always strive to improve

[cobalt sphinx]

sin is good enough to compete with the best classes in dungeons

[empty shadow]

I've yet to see another Sin, they arent exactly common.

[rotund oak]

rogue isnt common

[empty shadow]

It isn't played much.

[novel star]

why play any game if you aren’t always tryna get better

and yeah rogue is super unpopular lol

[empty shadow]

I am trying to get better, why would I be in here begging for help.

[rotund oak]

sin is the most common played rn as far as rogues go

[empty shadow]

I will try to get logs.

[novel star]

yeh fs i just mean about the “accepting defeat” comment

not a good mentality for improvement keep ur chin up goat

🫡

[empty shadow]

There is improvement and there is futility, I don't presume to excel at either.

[rotund oak]

anything less than peak degen performance doesnt support ur colour

so i cast doubt on that

[empty shadow]

Lol.

[balmy condor]

Caustic being calculated from center of mob

[novel star]

it’s so fucking bad

why is this fat piece of shit standing off the side of the arena

oh my god

cool boss though

excited to see all the fights on hc

normal clear night kinda zzzz

💤

[haughty flicker]

rashanan is ass

boss is so boring

for a 4th boss

then again 4th bosses have been ass for a while

council of dreams, assault, sennarth

[rotund oak]

rashanan is cringe

stupid bug

moth

whatever it is

[novel star]

i don’t hate him

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[runic hinge]

i actually liked that boss the most LOL

[willow cloud]

No one knows why rashaman has to fly around, does nothing for the encounter

[empty shadow]

[rotund oak]

so that u can randomly lose ur uptime and deal with green stuff and waves

[empty shadow]

Green stuff, waves, knockbacks, adds, random BS, roots, etc, etc.

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

on my warlock someone failed the first wave and i just got pushed off the edge

was very fun

[bronze pike]

the best [art of pugging normal spider queen

[empty shadow]

Figure out your class, figure out your spec, your rotation, figure out raid mechs, figure out the uptime to be able to even hit the boss, figure out your Weak Auras, your destiny, your legacy, your life lines, your horoscope, scry into the unknown.

[bronze pike]

you get to see her big bottom

as you wipe to dumb shit

[haughty flicker]

im very sad ansurek doesnt have a crab form

could you imagine a crab with an ass that fat

[novel star]

my raid nailed every wave somehow despite normal fillers getting it

[runic hinge]

I do every night before bed

[arctic crown]

BOYSSSSSSSSSSSS

[novel star]

squirting

[arctic crown]

THEY FIXED

ECho with deathstalkers?

echo reprimand

[haughty flicker]

yes

[novel star]

yes

[empty shadow]

[rotund oak]

yup

[novel star]

life is good

[arctic crown]

[bronze pike]

[novel star]

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

regicide dropped and im only rogue in the raid

easy daggy

[arctic crown]

echoreprimand ftw

[haughty flicker]

what time is first damage amp on court

do i hold cds or nah

[arctic crown]

nah

[haughty flicker]

good im too lazy to do that shit

[cobalt sphinx]

Its like 50s in

Kinda awkward

[haughty flicker]

thats super cursed yeah

[slate crown]

It's great for trickster sub

[haughty flicker]

for now

xd

[slate crown]

yeah

[balmy condor]

intermission is 2 min though

I honestly don't think you play around the damage amp at all

just happens

[haughty flicker]

yeah i think you're right

there are a lot of amps too

so shit will just naturally fall on them eventually

[balmy condor]

time to update trinket recommendations

fuck this expansion

[runic hinge]

I love this expansion get your shit together

Theorycrafter who has to change recommendations every other week cause bliz can’t figure out what they want

[haughty flicker]

wax didnt proc on kyveza

[runic hinge]

If you die click off and reapply

And tbh I reapplied before every boss

[haughty flicker]

yeah i forgor

[runic hinge]

Didn’t check logs but maybe I should

[haughty flicker]

i also only had like 4

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

i need to go mug more kobolds

[runic hinge]

Lmao I brought 60 cause it’s kinda fun thematics pickpocketing

[rotund oak]

plz dont

what trinkets we gonna need now

[haughty flicker]

all of them

[rotund oak]

skaldryns and spyglass is all i need idc

[haughty flicker]

wait my darkmoon deck didnt do any damage

scammed

[slate crown]

I have the torch one and the serum

Not great

Hate using the serum because You can’t move during the cast

But also like the serum because transformation is cool

[rotund oak]

serum is sus i dont like it one bit

[slate crown]

I just don’t have better

[rotund oak]

anything that channels is a no in my list

ah

all the loots go to @normal mist

thats why

[kindred hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp viper]

classic

[sharp viper]

with the amount of changes coming up you won't have too much idle time

[quiet oar]

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

I thought this was slow spec

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

What do you sus me

[rotund oak]

u pirate scheming thats why

[sharp viper]

you tell me, you're the TC - you can edit the trinkets pin/wowhead guide in between globals

[cerulean walrus]

Pirate sleeper agents

[quiet oar]

??

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

No way i play outlaw on Queen

[sharp viper]

[haughty flicker]

i like how silken court boss always decides to charge away just as i have dn up

[quiet oar]

I see what you did there

the "typo"

[haughty flicker]

i dont see what i did there

you have really good eyes

[quiet oar]

Im just double checking what deathstalker does

and i thought its

more complicated

[rotund oak]

its very fluid now

[quiet oar]

but its just really slam as much as envenoms no matter how many energy you have

and maintain bleeds

[sharp viper]

I hope it will stay like that with ER rework

[rotund oak]

yeah pretty much

[quiet oar]

I just wish they wouldnt remove er

fr

[rotund oak]

yes plz

[fallen arch]

Spam everything on cd

[rotund oak]

odds are we swapping to fatebound after that

higher synergy

[quiet oar]

Like you couldve taken any other active button

but why ER

[waxen oyster]

man

[rotund oak]

yeah man

[sharp viper]

like tea?

[fallen arch]

ER can fucking burn in hell

[waxen oyster]

sometimes i wonder why i bother doing delves on my alts in groups

[fallen arch]

Good riddance

[waxen oyster]

shit feels faster to just solo as tank

[sharp viper]

[waxen oyster]

and ER is fine as ab ability

[quiet oar]

I tried an 8 delve with my 570 spriest

[waxen oyster]

most people severely overthink it

[quiet oar]

its possible

with Mind control/Dominate mind

[waxen oyster]

oh its just some of the players you see in lfg

[fallen arch]

I tried on rogue, got absolutely clapped

[rotund oak]

my brann is lvl 33,i just stay stealth and let him solo t8s

[waxen oyster]

are….special

[rotund oak]

[waxen oyster]

idk i can solo delves on my rogue just fine

[quiet oar]

My brann is 38 and he just doesnt care

about my tricks

[waxen oyster]

i just tricks bran

[quiet oar]

[fallen arch]

Does Brann have no cap?

[inland escarp]

tricks on bran is ez mode

[rotund oak]

why would u do so many delves

[waxen oyster]

like it feels genuinely easy idk

[rotund oak]

[inland escarp]

Im surprised they havnt taken it from us

[waxen oyster]

my bran is 35

[fallen arch]

Does this work? Havent thought about it

[quiet oar]

it does work

[inland escarp]

yea, go trickster as outlaw or sub

[quiet oar]

like every rogue thing

to 50%

[inland escarp]

hour long tricks ftw

[waxen oyster]

i also do delves as outlaw

so i have evasion

if it doesnt

[inland escarp]

ive been doing them as sub

[quiet oar]

Its insane

how many things from rogue

just work half the time

[waxen oyster]

also

kidney is your friend

:)

[quiet oar]

Im sorry

That a pack of 3

just melees me in 1 second

[fallen arch]

Ye thats what I found

[waxen oyster]

xddd

[inland escarp]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

pugs in any kobyss dungeon

big funny

watching people die to frontal

[inland escarp]

I got a treasure that gave me water breathing today. was pog af

[quiet oar]

but tbf

the most annoying spec

[waxen oyster]

its kinda cheats

if you get grouped with a lock

[quiet oar]

to play delves solo is demo

[waxen oyster]

and they just waterbreath you

[quiet oar]

THE FUCKING FELGUARD CANT TAKE SHIT

JUST DIES BY LOOKING AT THE TRASH

[sharp viper]

[waxen oyster]

bm hunter probably the most free

[haughty flicker]

bro

felguard is so ass

[inland escarp]

Im too dumb to play casters

[haughty flicker]

why cant he fucking get threat

[inland escarp]

😄

[quiet oar]

He gets it

[haughty flicker]

voidwalker too

[quiet oar]

but dies instantly

[haughty flicker]

they dont fucking do anything

[quiet oar]

wdym

[haughty flicker]

nah mine doesnt even get threat

shit pets

[quiet oar]

mine does

[sharp viper]

similar problem

[quiet oar]

and dies in 1 second

Fel"guard"? My ass its more Fel"letdown"

[runic hinge]

halondris goated fr

[mint valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sudden phoenix]

can any1 link theri mouse over rupture etc

[balmy condor]

should just be /cast [@mouseover,harm][]Rupture no?

[rotund oak]

/cast [@mouseover,nomod] Rupture

thats mine but im not using it

[balmy condor]

yeah that works too

million ways to set it up tbh

they're all the same

[rotund oak]

ye its on a mod macro,ignore nomod

yup yup

[runic hinge]

I couldn’t get my potion to go off in my macro tonight

Blizzard sucks

[rotund oak]

most of my macros broke btw with TWW

[undone pollen]

Is there a hybrid raid spec that has a small amount of aoe instead of removing caustic and aoe bleed

[rotund oak]

ive rewritten most of them

[balmy condor]

what?

[rotund oak]

im cunfused

[sudden phoenix]

That macro "/cast [@mouseover,nomod] Rupture"

[balmy condor]

raid spec for aoe just takes caustic instead of internal bleeding

[sudden phoenix]

If im not mouse overing, even if targetting something it wont do it. is there one that does target but prio mouse over

[undone pollen]

Okay, that makes sense

[runic hinge]

We had a cauldron with 2 star for normal and then we had a cauldron with 3 stars for heroic and it wouldn’t work after the two stars ran out. Tried re writing it a couple times

[balmy condor]

try that

[runic hinge]

Imagine having to click your pot

[undone pollen]

I was running into a few fights in the raid where I could’ve used a bit more aoe vs exclusive single target

[balmy condor]

yeh it's basically just caustic

[rotund oak]

remove nomod and add ''harm'',mine is part of a bigger modifier macro

[balmy condor]

I have this recommended for ovinax atm

but I'm not sure about it

not that I can even tell if it's better

no ones fucking running CT

[undone pollen]

I think just swapping caustic is fine probably

[royal lantern]

the fight feels weird

[balmy condor]

even though it should absolutely bang

[royal lantern]

like

yeha CT gives value

but im not sure if its really good

[tacit crystal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[royal lantern]

and it all gets even more weird when you have others focusing more on aoe

[balmy condor]

I mean from what little logs there are, CT is like 10-13%

and thrown precision is crazy good

I think it's a no brainer

[royal lantern]

tbf, mythic will go even more into aoe

cus mythic is even more adds

[rotund oak]

think CT is most likely more dmg overall for that fight,meaningfull would be the ST/Funnel there

[royal lantern]

more eggs and stuff

[rotund oak]

but parasites need to die so..

u also cant get hit by them

[undone pollen]

I ran the mythic plus build for silk and it was great

[rotund oak]

coz they duplicate

[sudden phoenix]

worked trhx

[balmy condor]

Probably a bit overkill for court tbh

[sudden phoenix]

thx*

[royal lantern]

on our first 3 pulls we wiped cus of parasites

the rl just explained people

"allright, each egg spawns 6parasites, if we dont kill them fast enough to duplicate"

"we wiped on p3 start and killed 197parasites"

ranged dps not moving is always great

[rotund oak]

we killed it yday and kyveza but those parasites need warlocks and dhs and mages if u ask me

becomes pretty crazy without a plan

[undone pollen]

What part of it would be too much aoe

[royal lantern]

cus its 2targets most of the time?

court feels like a typical "keep bleeds on both guys running, apply improved garrote on both on pull/vanish, and then focus 1down and cleave the Other"

[hardy kraken]

would u take for court, that u deal more bleed dmg if energy over 150? I talk about the talent

[haughty flicker]

its just more pad wdym

need to parse

[tacit crystal]

tons of damage on court comes from being able to pump during the bonus damage phases

idk if m+ build does that

[haughty flicker]

court is just caustic boss

on mythic i dont even think they can stack

so maybe not even that

[undone pollen]

Ah the stun is big damage true, I suppose it’d be better to have certain single target there

[tacit crystal]

yeah i was watching echo's sub rogue and he was st only on one

[royal lantern]

tbf

sub cant do 2targets

[tacit crystal]

you can rupture the second

at least

[hallow ruin]

trickster with nimble flurry can do cleave

[royal lantern]

except on trickster cus LOL BLADELFURRY 3.0

[undone pollen]

During long fights, how is it recommended to pool one or two thistle tea for when call cooldowns land again? Energy issue seemed to be one of my few problems I ran into but only probably due to poor management on my part

[normal mist]

I deserved it with my amazing 99 parse

[balmy condor]

You just use charges during shiv for the energy, the cooldown makes it so you always have one coming up for kingsbane

[undone pollen]

Gotcha thanks, so it’s safe to run them during shiv

[dim estuary]

did they nerf brann or tricks on him? he doesnt keep aggro anymore

[royal lantern]

that shit is wonky af for the last 5days now

everything around delves is barely functional

[weary spear]

hey question. if darkest night is up, and im at 6 CP, should i fan to 7? or garotte depending on dot time left?

[normal mist]

Mutilate

Or garrote in pandemic

[royal lantern]

in ST you mut, in AoE when you use FoK you use FoK

garrote is like always, you use ut when you wanna re-apply it

[weary spear]

ok ty

[queen egret]

Whispyr you mentioned having to change trinket priorities, did something change?

[haughty flicker]

why do people insist on touching the queens nipple in pugs

[balmy condor]

tuning coming tuesday, lots of trinkets got their implementations tweaked to match the game better

[rotund oak]

u deserve it in our hearts either way

99 or 9 makes no difference

[balmy condor]

also updating this is aids cause I also want to see combos for dungeonroute but it looks like this

so I have to go through the combo data

and do it by hand

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

bit painful

but is what it is

unsupported fight style PoV

[haughty flicker]

ok

dont shadowstep to the adds on the edge of the platforms

on queen

dont ask why i know that

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

rookie move

[rotund oak]

btw if anyone is on EU and wants gilded crest craft i only charge 30k a craft,feel free to personal order me

[earnest remnant]

Ansurek is a garbage fight

[haughty flicker]

how generous

[rotund oak]

im rolling goblin soon

[rotund oak]

rogue feels like negative dmg bruh

told ya yday

[earnest remnant]

Nah rogue does fine

Fight is just visual vomit

[rotund oak]

she phased like a min in

[royal lantern]

thought the same about ghuun 2.0 tbh

[dim valley]

im reloggin on my alt warrior and its a lot more fine tbh

[rotund oak]

i didnt see any yellow anywhere

[royal lantern]

like, so many aoes drown under the boss

[earnest remnant]

You aren’t going to when you buff warr and enhance to nuke adds

To make the fight easier

[rotund oak]

but wht about the rest

that warrior of urs is massive btw

the man smashes everything

[earnest remnant]

I was third on boss

[rotund oak]

ah nicu

gonna check them logs

[earnest remnant]

Gl

[rotund oak]

🤝

its not public is it

[earnest remnant]

Nope

[rotund oak]

[royal lantern]

imagine having a warrior that doesn die 2x every pull

why is it always warriors

[rotund oak]

yeah man,crazy

[earnest remnant]

Hc timers suck for sub. Since intermission adds die in 10 sec

Hopefully mythic is better

[rotund oak]

i believe in the sub dream

there is still hope

[earnest remnant]

Looks like an assa fight

[rotund oak]

looks like an assa expansion

[earnest remnant]

Sub on court + rash

[rotund oak]

huh

[royal lantern]

thought assa has rash value cus you execute 50% of the fight tbh

[haughty flicker]

dust will be gone long before i get to court

so im playing sin anyway

[rotund oak]

based

[visual hemlock]

is avoidance better for assa then leech? i have two same cloaks with both dont know which one to pick

[earnest remnant]

For boss dam highly likely

[royal lantern]

avoidance is always better

leech is a meme stat

[earnest remnant]

But I’m gonna flurry pad

[visual hemlock]

i outleeched dh back on fyrrak

[royal lantern]

cool

leech does nothing still lol

[kindred elm]

hey gang. apologizes as im sure its been asked a hundred times already but with the bug fix out now do we run 1/2 lethality and resounding clarity or still 2/2 leth and just echoing?

[rotund oak]

yeah

[visual hemlock]

okay stop being a leech got it

[royal lantern]

the thing is just

[quiet oar]

Leech wont save you from a one hit

[royal lantern]

avoidance reduces dng

[quiet oar]

avoidance does

[earnest remnant]

Feint does

[royal lantern]

leech is some very very very minor healing

[haughty flicker]

speed makes you fast as fuck though

[earnest remnant]

[quiet oar]

True

[royal lantern]

leech wont make the healers use less heals

[earnest remnant]

Also whoever the fuck thought

[fluid pumice]

are we using ER capstone now that it's fixed :3

[royal lantern]

if there is aoe dmg happening, they still need to throw out a aoe heal

[quiet oar]

Stealthi

were you raiding with 30 man

heroic

[royal lantern]

i dont

[quiet oar]

like queen

[royal lantern]

thinking is stinky

[earnest remnant]

That Ansurek needs 1million ground effects

Can fuck off

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/bJxcn.gif this is how i feel about avoidance

[earnest remnant]

We were 29

[hollow river]

I’m fast as fuck boi

[sharp wadi]

29 is alot

[rotund oak]

rip vga block

[hollow river]

[royal lantern]

the same guys that made purple ground effects on gray-red+purple ground that can be half hidden under a huge boss ass on broodfucker

[sharp wadi]

29 got my laptop COOKING

[rotund oak]

[earnest remnant]

We brought in some socials

[sharp wadi]

tbf

this raid is not nearly as bad

[kindred elm]

ummm not trying to be rude but i dont see how "yeah" answered that lol

[sharp wadi]

as something like

sire

red on red on red

[rotund oak]

u instead of 2/2 lethality take 1 lethality and resounding clarity

so u arent rly being rude dw

thats where yeah comes in

[earnest remnant]

Only the web intermission was bad dps wise

[runic hinge]

We had a warrior parse super high or die every pull. No I between

[earnest remnant]

Fps *

[kindred elm]

ok tyty

[rotund oak]

u r welcome

[sharp wadi]

man

warriors are just riddled with brain rot huh

[rotund oak]

ovinax was worse for me but did queen only on normal

[toxic ice]

I need someone to knock some sense into me

I prefer playing Fatebound because the coin sound tickles my fancy

[royal lantern]

for me its on pull and then gets somewhat stable at 28fps after 20ish seconds

[earnest remnant]

28

[runic hinge]

That’s how old you are

[rotund oak]

yea mine was down to 14-18

[indigo elk]

Do we just play pure ST on most bosses anyway since like the adds just disappear so damn fast from other classes

[rapid plover]

hey guys i have a question... as assa rog in multitarget brodtwister situation, ur target swaps on spider or worm is with the darkest night deathstalker re aply or without and this mark stay on the boss?

[balmy condor]

your parents always loved you, they were just emotionally unavailable and didn't know how to express it properly

[toxic ice]

Thanks whispyr

[balmy condor]

no problem

[toxic ice]

now tell me fatebound is bad

[balmy condor]

its not though

[toxic ice]

ok good

cuz ima keep playing it

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[toxic ice]

COIN SOUND GOES BRRR

[rotund oak]

i can shred was outlaw narrative/hopes though

if u want

[balmy condor]

single target and swap caustic for adds yeah

[rotund oak]

totally eviscerate any hope

[balmy condor]

if it lines up feel free to swap but you just hit whatever your marked target is

[toxic ice]

I tried to play outlaw

wasn't for me

[indigo elk]

Thankss

[runic hinge]

I hit 6 flips 6 times in 3 bosses and never the capstone tonight. So I’m done with it

[royal lantern]

every other fight im at my ussual 120, but court just brings the FPS down lol

[tawny geyser]

CT on Uvinax or just Caustic?

[toxic ice]

hahaha

[runic hinge]

Listen j wanted to try

[earnest remnant]

Did you pull Ansurek yet?

[runic hinge]

But it made me so sad

[earnest remnant]

The intermission destroys fps

When she does the drag while shielded

[toxic ice]

Hit it on my first 7th flip

;)

[rotund oak]

upper left side on ur discord '' channels and roles'' be free from it then

[balmy condor]

I recommend Ct because the numbers just kinda make sense, especially next week on mythic with more/longer adds, but no one seems to agree on heroic atm ct has like a 20% play rate

can play whatever you want to, I tried like 6 builds on live and maybe a dozen during testing and they all did the same. scent no scent, ct no ct, sudden demise no sudden demise, vicious no vicious, arterial no arterial. Nothing matters just hit buttons idk

[toxic ice]

07

[runic hinge]

I swear to god I’ll be out questing and hit 7 flips or doing delves and I’m just capstone master. You get me on a raid boss and it never happens

[clever sapphire]

be ethical, go full ST with no spatter and let the padders do the job

[tawny geyser]

Yeah exactly… theres just so much add action in that fight, I was thinking of running CT, but I was top on the meters even with just Caustic. Sadly we didnt kill it yet. 6 wipes 😂

[toxic ice]

See the beautiful part about FB in my opinion

is I can drool

and it's fine

RNG takes care of it

[balmy condor]

the thing is, the top logs that are just full caustic spatter gamers are actually the biggest padders

[quiet oar]

Did you have more than 29 fps on queen

[rapid plover]

thanks

[balmy condor]

I saw a log full single target + caustic and 37% of his damage was caustic

we're just fucking outlaw rogues at this point

[fluid pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075660401515176009/1274164606796959814/image0.gif

tragedy

[quiet oar]

All the rogue specs stealing Blade flurry

[royal lantern]

not heroic no, next week probs

[toxic ice]

i mean tbh

[balmy condor]

caustic is actually just way too strong

[clever sapphire]

thats why im not playing fatebound, that would get me too close to being outlaw

[balmy condor]

idk how it's survived like this

[toxic ice]

Assassination is super fun but I hate how energy starved we are]

[quiet oar]

Dont you worry

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1284967468208623707/5d8f89c660259e031077e054d1a2e1aa.png?ex=66e88eb5&is=66e73d35&hm=b0e91d675b2ce3bbc91904c2e96539169cae480202fa6674b0fd9d15e2821b24&

our tank on court

[quiet oar]

Sin gets another 5% nerf and a 3% nerf just to put a nail to its coffin

[urban haven]

game is mocking me, hunt for trinket continues

[royal lantern]

[quiet oar]

if its best in the first week

[pure raptor]

the hotfix for November sounds like playing Master Assassin again. Does it make sense to skill subterfuge and Wihtout a trace for 25% crit throughout Kingsbane?

[rotund oak]

u steal from every specc everything,even shadowdance.U never seen a sub rogue with AR active have u 😛

[balmy condor]

gonna be honest, it's a tough sell

[quiet oar]

But they stole Dreadblades and Ace

[balmy condor]

like in dungeonroute sims where it's a full dungeon 30-45 min whatever to see the full effect of without a trace, you're looking at 6-7% loss

12 second master assassin just isn't good enough to save that

[rotund oak]

they got sblades

dreadblades are basicly irrelevant

[balmy condor]

12 second carnage is pretty unnecessary too

like we didn't use the entire back half of carnage when it was 10 seconds

we're already skipping bleed casts in 6 second carnage except in the most giga pulls

so that's not going to help much

12 second improved garrote is something I guess maybe but also seems kinda meh

it definitely makes it better

[rotund oak]

12 second carnage in pvp though (yeah ik pvp )

[toxic ice]

Yo whispyr

[balmy condor]

but I'm struggling to see the numbers adding up

it's probably just iron wire cheese

[hollow river]

It’s gonna be huge for our mini game, yes

[rotund oak]

yeah man 😍

im gonna F them up locks and mages

[toxic ice]

if playing FB, should I just maintain my envenom buff and pool or just spend CP as much as I can for coin flip?

[rotund oak]

and dragons and all

[earnest remnant]

outside of the web drag intermission yeah

[balmy condor]

you just said the same thing but in the first situation you have higher envenom uptime

[haughty flicker]

i fucking hate this boss

[earnest remnant]

i had the biggest "oh fuck moment"

[toxic ice]

LOL

[earnest remnant]

with a last milisec shadowstep to not die

[balmy condor]

like think about it for a second right, energy is the limiting factor

if you're not overcapping energy

you have the same total energy over a given time frame

[rotund oak]

u cant rly clos the net drag can u

[balmy condor]

so you're going to be flipping the same amount of coins

[toxic ice]

Right but what I meant I think is, there are some situations that I can fit two envenoms in the duration of one, is it better to:

1. Recast Envenom regardless of remaining duration to flip coin
2. Wait until the end of Envenom to refresh buff and pool in the meantime

(This is just a random scenario)

[balmy condor]

again, always the second

[toxic ice]

Cool

Thanks

[balmy condor]

it's the same logic

you're flipping the same amount of coins

doing the same amount of envenoms

everything is the same

[spring socket]

Morning, Looking at the updated notes for upcoming patch, With changes to subterfuge will this make it a pick for content?

[balmy condor]

but in 1, you're wasting envenom uptime

[royal lantern]

scroll for 2seconds

they literally talk about it rn

[spring socket]

lol i just saw evenom + cons

[fleet mountain]

good morning, what addon are u guys using for nameplates? There are so many buffs on a target with assass, i want to reduce some non needed ones 😛

like the bone thingy

[toxic ice]

Better Blizzard Plates

[rotund oak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

fake numbers but like think about it this way, you could spam out like 10 envenoms in 30 seconds right, and then sit and suffer and only do 4 envenoms in the next 30 seconds, you're doing 14 envenoms in a minute

ooooooooor

you could do 7 in 30, and then 7 in 30

[clever sapphire]

plater personally

[balmy condor]

and you're still doing 14

[rotund oak]

whispyr's plater is good

[clever sapphire]

and i stole whispyrs

[balmy condor]

but you spread them out

so your uptime is higher

[toxic ice]

Right, I see your point

[fleet mountain]

ahh cool, ill look into whispyrs plater 😄

[toxic ice]

I was having trouble understanding the logic

but now that you write it out, it does make sense

[balmy condor]

very unique assa gameplay

big part of what makes the spec so cool

[toxic ice]

In my mind, I was like

if I drool and spam envenom at 5 cp

= more coin flips

= more coin damage

[balmy condor]

yeah and in a world where energy isn't the limiter, that's true

[toxic ice]

but it isn't

[balmy condor]

exactly

[toxic ice]

or rather

yeah, you get it

gotcha

[balmy condor]

like if they deleted energy, your limiting factor would be the gcd timer

[toxic ice]

so tldr, pool energy and maintain ur envenom uptime

[balmy condor]

in which case you would always be spamming

[toxic ice]

we learning today

[earnest remnant]

wait and see, i found it

[fleet mountain]

whats easier to perform with in raids, assass or outlaw? 😛

[balmy condor]

whatever is easier to you

[fleet mountain]

i tried some outlaw, but got punished so hard for not having uptime on bosses

[rotund oak]

😅

im so dead

[toxic ice]

that's true for both specs though

[fleet mountain]

i used to play warlock, so i figured maybe assass is easier because im used to dot playstyles

[balmy condor]

it's possible

[runic hinge]

Okay but what about iron wire value for being able to silence for 12 seconds and also shrouded value for being about to generate combo points like crazy with garrote for 12 seconds. I think that has value somewhere. Even if not in sims. (I’m drunk feelcrafting)

[haughty flicker]

i mean iron wire is definitely op as fuck

[earnest remnant]

so you know how Coup de grace out of range

[balmy condor]

the combo points aren't relevant because fok would still be more efficient

but iron wire yes

[earnest remnant]

makes you do a charge?

so i may or may not have been paying attention to my stacks

[runic hinge]

Yeha garrote is a lot of energy to cast tru

[earnest remnant]

and charged into the boss just before the grab

https://www.twitch.tv/stealthi/clip/HilariousTangibleOysterWow--Pn8h7aMoZe8zLBD

[dim estuary]

Wtf I could solo easily delves 8 yesterday and now it's impossible, what did blizz do again

[rotund oak]

search no further fam,assass is the dot/bleed masterclass

[haughty flicker]

god i love charge on my rotational ability

[earnest remnant]

fastest mouseover step

of my life

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[earnest remnant]

i spotted the dk out the corner of my eye

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

I watched like 3 pulls you did yesterday and watching you just sit on flag forever hurts so fucking bad

[earnest remnant]

i bit too close for comfort

[earnest remnant]

NOT MY FAULT

[rotund oak]

has the speed and reaction time of a gladiator,doesnt like pvp

[earnest remnant]

i dont want it like this either

[balmy condor]

I'm sitting there like is he going to flag the shield

is he

he's not

what

why

ow

my eyes

[earnest remnant]

dont have enough uptime on the shield

so we made the call to not to

[balmy condor]

yeah that's agony

[toxic ice]

hey fellow raccoon enjoyer

[earnest remnant]

but then the intermission adds die in like 10 sec

so you cant really cd those either

its great

[haughty flicker]

dude

my fucking kingsbane

[quiet oar]

Thats like sitting on KB

[haughty flicker]

always lines up with that first add

[quiet oar]

to line it with DM

[haughty flicker]

and it dies like halfway through

wtf do i do

[balmy condor]

I dot before first yoink, then dm/kb shield

[peak lake]

are u shadowsteepin on the boss or on player ?

[balmy condor]

and then I get KB back for guardian on first platform

[earnest remnant]

my damage is 24 sec long as trickster

[balmy condor]

your damage sucks

[earnest remnant]

thats not really doable on shield

might just be a Deathstalker angle

next week

[earnest remnant]

stepped our DK

[balmy condor]

deathstalker was okay

[west cove]

no matter what I do I cant seem to blacklist my posions in elvui auras, too many bars.....

[earnest remnant]

i mouseovered him to be exact

[balmy condor]

but singular focus was not doing shit

[earnest remnant]

yeah i just mean for sub

[peak lake]

ye was wonderign where u go if u step on boss

[earnest remnant]

to compress the dmg a bit more

only need 16 sec

with DS

[balmy condor]

6 feet into the ground

(you die)

[earnest remnant]

she insta gibs you

[peak lake]

thanks 😄

[earnest remnant]

BONK

[earnest remnant]

i kinda like the P1 jump rope mech tho

that one is kinda fun

but the web shit

on the floor

they need to do something about imo

it tanks fps like crazy

[balmy condor]

yeh that stuff is cancer

[earnest remnant]

and its almost impossible to see if they overlap or not

[tight condor]

The fps on that fight is just ass

[earnest remnant]

should make em stand out more

[shrewd night]

It would be less cancer with less than 14 melee in the raid

[earnest remnant]

as 29 people

it was not fun

[peak lake]

ive not seen a lot of 30 raid on her

[earnest remnant]

also dont tell my RL but i did like 0 prep for this fight

[peak lake]

was looking at logs yesterday for the prep and most are reducing

[earnest remnant]

i just watched nibren do like 4 pulls

and went "ahh this looks simple enough"

imma go nap

[flat sleet]

Filters > Select Filters > Aura Indicator (Class) > Add the spell id (in my case 408124) then make sure you move the indicator so it wont overlap another (ie, i moved my y value to -12 and changed the color to Pink, which wasnt used for any of my other spells)

[tight condor]

Dont be like our druid and nap before the raid, and then wake up 2 hours too late

[earnest remnant]

some of our raiders have my phone number

so that aint happenin

[tight condor]

Oh we called him

But he slept through

[toxic ice]

what a legend

[earnest remnant]

im a very very light sleeper

i get woken up by any slight noise

[rotund oak]

that means u are msging each other n stuff

cmon dont be shy

she's hot?

😉

[west cove]

so I have them added, also added them to the blacklist filter

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/statefarm-well-shes-a-guy-gif-10554521

[west cove]

they still show

[shrewd night]

She meows louder than me

[rotund oak]

hahahahahahahaha

[earnest remnant]

its a 31 year old male named Søren

if he starts texting me

ill block his number

ong

[balmy condor]

I have like 4 or 5 guildies with my number

from blizzcon and stuff

[tight condor]

Im gonna have to go to blizzcon at some point

But expensive af

[balmy condor]

does anyone have this shit

is it aids

I've never seen anyone use it

[rotund oak]

top simming?

[haughty flicker]

it looks like xymox trinket

[balmy condor]

it's not bad

like a lot of this stuff seems okay numerically

but I have just

never seen in my life

so I have no clue how it plays

cause blizzard decided to make the most whack ass trinkets

[rotund oak]

i think our OT has it

i coudl ask

[dusty zenith]

Check blood mallet

[balmy condor]

yeh idc

[dusty zenith]

They got assassin up now

[balmy condor]

yes

you're welcome

idc bout that though

[hollow river]

[dusty zenith]

I got that trinket too

[balmy condor]

okay

so how does it play

[runic hinge]

You’re cracked

[dusty zenith]

Never used it

Cause it’s Balllls

[rotund oak]

yup skandryns and spyglass is all i need

[shrewd night]

I passed on the transmitter trinket, our dk got it and tilted the fight after because he couldnt see the tasks because of mechanics

[earnest remnant]

you can even hear me exhale

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

"but its easier than beta, the orb and the pad are in the same spots every time"

miss me with that shit

[runic hinge]

I did but it was wildly fast tbh

Not the exhale but the step

[hybrid dirge]

Anyone know where I can find good guides for rotations and what not?

[shrewd night]

Its ok, Im forced to shit by this being a double on use tier

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[soft shale]

i have it on my tank does decent dmg

[earnest remnant]

i cut the clip short cuz i cursed out Coup right after

[shrewd night]

Have you tried our FAQ???

[balmy condor]

again, reading comprehension please

I do not care about the numbers

how does it play

[soft shale]

you use does dmg get some bonus while on cd

[hybrid dirge]

Was hoping for more video guides

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna choke a bitch I swear to god

[haughty flicker]

yes please

[earnest remnant]

I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE

[balmy condor]

am I not speaking english

is my question not clear

[soft shale]

as for the weapons they are the ones you have on the way to the boss

and something else i forget

[shrewd night]

DO IT WHISP

[soft shale]

ahahaha

[shrewd night]

Do it for the vine

[balmy condor]

I ask "how does this play"

I get back "I have it, but never used it"

[earnest remnant]

whispyr pulling out hairs atm

[balmy condor]

and then I get "yeah it does damage"

did I phrase the question poorly

[arctic tusk]

is the very rare any better on sin rogue