assassination

[oak trench]

Lil man thought he was pulling up hard af 🤣

[balmy condor]

In fact, this is even fucking dumber cause you know what you were happy with? Me blindly saying to craft crit/mast. That was the only time you didn't immediately push back

but now all of a sudden following what I say is bad and wrong

[heavy island]

The math has been proven to check out

[frozen glacier]

is this destroy whispyr's mental day

[warped jackal]

ok so if i want to play raid i would go outlaw because it is better so how is the outlaw is compared to assassin in mythic plus

[tacit wedge]

this whole convo reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy2fr9d5J3M

[spiral steeple]

yeah well i still had some respect and trust in what you said at the time, but im starting yo doubt it more and more with how unpropesisonal and rude you are being

[still tree]

sim stands for simulator by the way, for anyone who is confused

[heavy island]

Whats calc stand for?

[dusty olive]

This reminds me of the quadruple down on “we should use CT in ST” a few years back.

[whole sand]

unprofessional

[west crown]

Rude = untrustworthy apparently

[crisp pine]

oh shit, which stats are you gonna go for then?

[hexed matrix]

whisypr is just job securing right now

[tacit wedge]

"using CT on ST is good because more bleed for DM" is my copium when i fatfinger it

[west crown]

Can we go back to our Sunday Whispyr worship already?

[gusty mirage]

honestly, outlaw is probably the play

[whole sand]

stop everything:

[tacit wedge]

[slate crown]

Even with the nerfs?

[spiral steeple]

still not sure, will have to look at ring/neck loottable :)

[eager gazelle]

"unprofessional" brother this isn

thips isn't best buy

[mighty crown]

HOLY this channel is a GOLD mine

[eager gazelle]

no one is getting paid to answer you

[balmy condor]

You ask a question, you get the same answer from 15 different people
You ask for more specifics, you get an even more specific answer to use a tool that is more accurate than any human
You ask for proof, I give you proof, you don't take it
You then go on an idiotic ramble about probability of drop table or whatever that was, not understanding that gearing in the game simply does not function like that

You lost my professionalism a while ago

[crisp pine]

wait what the fuck does that even mean

[eager gazelle]

no one is a professional

[frozen glacier]

any SnD upkeep enjoyers

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-rat-ratjam-catjam-ratjammers-gif-21929051

[heavy island]

Just go vers/haste

Dont question it just do it

[tacit wedge]

shouldn't we get your professionalism only if we bring a car to your garage tho? unless this is considered a professional activity

[crisp pine]

why not just
Wait with crafting stuff?

[gusty mirage]

I mean I don't think the nerfs were significant enough to unseat the gain outlaw had in dslice sims. It really boils down to what you want, assa is close enough where if you like it you can play and perform well and push keys. People kinda sleep on outlaw's consistent damage output tbh

[tacit wedge]

Imagine having to explain your job is "i do rogue math" to your parents

[spiral steeple]

it does work that way lol, i get it thats it not work optimizing to that degree, but saying it does not work that way is plain dumb

[tacit wedge]

outlaw is funnee because i have a severe gambling addiction

[whole sand]

that sounds metal af

[eager gazelle]

my mom would still support me, supportive parent gang rise up

[gusty mirage]

it's def a play what you like more angle, more than ever atm

[balmy condor]

aight man, if you don't want to learn then I can't help you

[gusty mirage]

but outlaw, even post nerfs, is still quite good

[tired gull]

Got delve fist weapon bye boys we rerollin pirate

[tacit wedge]

sit down

[gusty mirage]

[spiral steeple]

nah i want to learn, explain me why it doesnt work that way, something more then just saying "it doesnt work that way becouse i say so"

[slate crown]

Makes sense thank you for your insight

[sturdy stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/816403895210606693/817586492985311232/image0.gif

cat

[gusty mirage]

[tacit wedge]

I mean, i had to dumb down my job to "i fix computer" when i was working in the IT support&cybersecurity department of a bank

[slate crown]

now this gif has the real bis stats

[eager gazelle]

probabalistically bis or nominal?

[gusty mirage]

[tired gull]

Nice cat

[eager gazelle]

we need a stochastic distribution of gear is my takeaway from this, then we can really get in to the analysis that matters

[true hearth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[boreal bobcat]

Im way under practiced at the single target rotation, how accurate is Hekili for Assassination?

[whole sand]

icing on the cake

[eager gazelle]

go sit at a target dummy for an hour and learn without it

[crisp pine]

probably less accurate than training at a dummy for ~5 seconds

[haughty flicker]

bro i just pugged 6/8n on my alt and this is still going

lmao

[tacit wedge]

Sin rotation fit on a post-it note, come one, it's not that hard to learn

[shy pecan]

It’s not great.

[gusty mirage]

passable at best, but you're better off learning it the good old fashioned way tbh. You don't want to get into the habit of relying on something like Hekili

[boreal bobcat]

fair enough. Do we have any available video guides or recommendations for seeing the rotation and practicing it? Id much rather learn over Hekili I just have raid tonight at 9. Tryin to not be shit.

[native jay]

did some kind of hotfix get pushed? echoing reprimand is suddenly working to reapply deathstalker marks

[slate crown]

Da pins

[slender needle]

ye look at pins

[spiral steeple]

unironically yeah that would be it, but i guess since the gain is near to zero that just becomes false for those guys

[tacit wedge]

oh my god he's still around

[eager gazelle]

I was being sarchastic, that doesn't even make sense man

what are you even talking about

[bitter saddle]

does someone have a macro for the potioin woth death mark together

i always forget to use potion

[haughty flicker]

[late birch]

Any rules on forcing Darkest Night? Feels like i have to giga force it with extra mut or so

[balmy condor]

because in your universe, you have infinite vault drops and infinite time to run infinite clears of the raid and m+, so all gear is obtainable at equal rates and equal item levels with their full sockets. That's not realistic. If you COULD get all the items and compare them all together and smash them into one character somehow, you get a bis list, and that's what you're staring at and confused by. Just because it's 0.1% in BiS gear does not mean anything to you as the player, because you would need to have access to all of the same gear at all of the same item levels, at their max vaulted/crested/socketed states. And you won't. At the very end of the season you'll get close, maybe within like 0.5% of bis, maybe even somewhat closer. But you won't ACTUALLY get there. And so if you are one fucking socket, one crit/mast instead of mast/crit piece off of whatever the bis list is, guess what's changing, your gear. You're missing 3 ilvl on a ring? Cooked, now you're missing stats. The only feasible way to reach the accuracy you so fucking crave with every fiber of your nonsensical being is to recraft whenever you get close

[little tulip]

it took like maybe 4 hours to figure out what was going on with the assassination rogue including doing the low key runs/setting up the ui

[frozen glacier]

HOLY

[eager gazelle]

OH MY

[slate crown]

You're better off with having a better time just randomly getting gear pieces and being happy with that and press your buttons

and move on with your life

[tacit wedge]

/cast Deathmark
/use [potion name]
/use [trinket slot if you have a on use]

[slate crown]

rather than spending hours deciding on gems and missives

just send

lock in

log in

[haughty flicker]

[slate crown]

[haughty flicker]

we dont play warlock here

[gusty mirage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygn2r-lR3f4 he has it timestamped so you can kinda look at the opener for your hero talent tree of choice, it's a good basics, then just slap the rotation from one of the guides on another monitor and just practice. I think you'll get it faster than you think. You being here alone means you're a gamer, don't forget that most wow players don't even bother looking up stuff/asking questions 🙂

[deep wave]

after clearing normal raid and a couple of mythics i have to say

there is asbolutely no way to make deathmark enjoyable on sin

[little tulip]

if you level sassin you kinda know what's happening by the time u get to lfd/heroics probably but also had a rogue same ilevel as me doing 170k on 2nd boss of the raid in normals

[deep wave]

if you have as much as just 1 extra target to focus, utilizing your deathmark efficiently becomes 100 times harder

[boreal bobcat]

Ty King. Is it allowed if I share my sim? I want to be amazing, not sub par.

[gusty mirage]

ofc

[deep wave]

meanwhile sub can swap his target like 20 times per minute without even thinking about it

[spiral steeple]

nah bro i was asking for something way more chill then that, just quickly looking at the dungeon loot table, there are 2 crit mastery rings and a crit mastery neck but only 1 haste mastery ring. Looking also at the raid there is also the very rare ring which is very crit heavy.

[little tulip]

you at least know how it works right

[spiral steeple]

i just wanted something like that

[arctic socket]

We are so up

[gusty mirage]

HE DID IT, HE'S FREE (for now)

[balmy condor]

you follow your normal generator rules to go to max whenever it's available, highest priority

[subtle tundra]

there is also crafting

[boreal bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hWXk8Eos9NTFfPY2Fd3LDT it looks like the Sim wants me to use gems that wont activate the meta gem to the fullest extent?

[tired gull]

Think only premium does something with meta if I’m not mistaken

[spiral steeple]

oh yeah also the crit trinket and crit embellishment, so i guess its way more likely we gonna lack haste more then crit

[boreal bobcat]

That would make more sense ffs

[tacit wedge]

it wont activate it at its fullest because atm, with your gear, more haste&crit>0.15% crit and agi

[arctic socket]

if you have more than 2% haste ur trollin

[spiral steeple]

just wanted to know if someone already looked at that like i just did, thats all i wanted

[lethal magnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal bobcat]

Oh? Is there a cap for Mastery/Crit as well? Ive kind of just been stacking Mastery until my nose bleeds

[arctic socket]

Spyglass

isn't even simming highest

LMAO

[whole sand]

[balmy condor]

yeah and that's exactly the point, you would have to do that for every slot of every piece of gear, assuming you get sockets or don't get sockets, assuming the item levels of the drops are all at a certain level or you have X trinket and not Y trinket, or that you're even using dawnthread and not ascension. Even if a computer could process all of that in the exact way you would want (it can't), you'd just end up with like 100 permutations that are all within margin of error because the accuracy needed to get a clear answer on something like that is not feasible

[gusty mirage]

nah, early on flat stats usually end up being better than % increases because we're a little starved on stats at the start of expacs

[marble cradle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear
u looking for this and they even put crafted gear so u can see stats?

[balmy condor]

your sim would literally be running for years

[gusty mirage]

essentially as you get better gear, and more sockets to play with, you'll start to see the gap close between stacking the same gem and adding variety

[boreal bobcat]

(Im a lifetime mage player so I appreciate yall helping me get back into the blender of melee)

[tribal verge]

!delves

[whole sand]

i am the sim

[little tulip]

i wouldn't move until vaults are out on tuesday

[gusty mirage]

[deep wave]

i know people who'd happily wait that much to make sure they indeed gained 0.003% dps from their trinket swap

[indigo mulch]

#normalraidgaming

everything is a target dummy

[young dust]

Hey guys, gonna share it here because I struggled to find an HC Ansurek kill POV for Rogues. Rotation-wise I did badly but positioning was good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hsYgZGhG4E

[gusty mirage]

same

[raven egret]

It feels sooo damn nice with the ER fixes!

[spiral steeple]

you cant get a precise answer, but u can get pretty close. Sockets dont really matter much since u can just change the stats. Ascension is random but i would assume its quite even in the stat distrubution. Also lock tier pieces since they have fixed stats and you are going to wear 4 of them.

[whole sand]

YOU CAN CHANGE THE MISSIVE

[spiral steeple]

again most of the stats are on jewellery and thats probably feasible to sim just lookin at the loot table

[balmy condor]

it isn't

[sturdy stirrup]

good luck whispyr

[boreal bobcat]

@tacit wedge mentioned the sim was probably right dont try and force the meta gem to activate and go for agility but you mention starved for primary stat

[raven egret]

What do we have here I just got here, a BiS list defender?

[sturdy stirrup]

reported

[shy pecan]

Even though it was created by whispyr himself, you or anyone else shouldn’t be relying on this list for how to gear.

[deep wave]

whats ER

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[marble cradle]

i just use whatever i get idc i posted for the guy

[whole sand]

an m+ bis list definer

[spiral steeple]

xd half of you cant even read,

[barren shuttle]

can you macro thistle tea and kingsbane together or would that create problems?

[tacit wedge]

sry i used a calc

[spiral steeple]

not the best idea probably

[gusty mirage]

yeah it won't go out of its way to force the meta gem unless it's a gain. So right now, at least from what I see the flat secondaries beat out the critical strike effect from the meta gem

the flat stats > an extra .15% per dif gem

[glacial crypt]

just have them on seperate keybinds

[lime crypt]

man, kb getting parried is the worst feeling ever

[glacial crypt]

real 😭

[lime crypt]

fkin kyveza

[royal python]

how much of a dps loss is it if we never get lucky coin

[hollow blade]

hey, how does outlaw compare to sin rn in m+?

[silver escarp]

Hey guys, uuh do we need double authority of the depth for raid and double authority of radiant power for M+? Or just one each?

[boreal bobcat]

ok ok appreciate you im going to go work on this rotiation and come back when I get real confused. I love you and @tacit wedge

[whole sand]

kyveza is the worst

[crisp pine]

I'm confused actually, if you're the only one who's a #freethinker, why not just do all the work yourself and be the best rogue this game has ever seen?

[balmy condor]

you're having to do the equivalent of simming gems, but instead of like 6 factorial combinations for the gems, you're looking at like 5 to the power of how many gear slots? belt wrist 2 rings neck daggers boots chest? 5^8 combinations on top of the gem sims

[little tulip]

yeah why not

[tacit wedge]

ily2

[balmy condor]

like the number is mindbogglingly large

[indigo mulch]

I love you more.

[royal python]

if we never get lucky coin, despite doing rotation, how much a dps loss is it

[spiral steeple]

thing is you dont have to really sim it, we know how stats weights are fairly equal and stable, you just have to check the stats distrubution of the avaiable gear

no simming involved

[balmy condor]

they aren't stable

what

[eager gazelle]

oh no

[whole sand]

no, whispyr, we know

[shy pecan]

there’s your problem right there

[eager gazelle]

he is about to find out the stat weights change with your gear

[arctic socket]

it sims worse for me

[mighty crown]

[shy pecan]

Assumptions

[eager gazelle]

this is a big moment

[arctic socket]

fayewins is better

go next

[sturdy stirrup]

reported again

[gusty mirage]

double reported

[arctic socket]

spyglass shit trinket

[silver escarp]

? please? xD

[balmy condor]

stat weights are so volatile they're literally not useful to use

[indigo mulch]

Tripple reported

[gusty mirage]

TRIPLE REPORTED WTF

[sturdy stirrup]

quadra reported

[balmy condor]

double if you're trying to be optimal

[indigo mulch]

I was first monkeh!

[arctic socket]

About to vendor it

[gusty mirage]

I'm cancelling you on twitter rn thresh

[spiral steeple]

i mean unless you are stacking one stat hard, stats are all fairly equal

[sturdy stirrup]

oxi lets play league

[tacit wedge]

Whispyr, aren't you allowed to kick someone at some point?

[sturdy stirrup]

[silver escarp]

so. I would have to change each time i do MM+ and raid?

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

just get 4 daggesr

[gusty mirage]

I haven't touched league in 17 years idk if you wanna play with me

[silver escarp]

That's a lot of daggers

[spiral steeple]

if not id love to see a sim with fairly even stat and uneven stat weights

[sturdy stirrup]

we can also invite whispyr

[eager gazelle]

yeah but no one plays rogue so you should get all the drops in your raid

[indigo mulch]

I mean if you want to absolutly min-max the shit out of everything then yes, you prob need more than just 4 daggers.

[eager gazelle]

daggers everywhere in your bags

[arctic socket]

Pretty numbers

[silver escarp]

that's true i got everything

[indigo mulch]

Giga Thresh.

[whole sand]

clearly spyglass is working

[sturdy stirrup]

its terrible dude

[slate crown]

What if

Weapon swaps with different enchants

[sturdy stirrup]

i can coach you if you want

[tacit wedge]

you should've seen my dagger collection at the end of Aberrus progress

[indigo mulch]

Don't give the m+ monkys any ideas D:

[silver escarp]

Well for now i don't have the money for the enchant so i'll do one each. But it was to know for later

[arctic socket]

spygglass doodoo

go next

[gusty mirage]

okay grandma lets get you back inside

[indigo mulch]

LOL

Aren't you older than Lis Oxi? Your like ancient like the rest of us.

[balmy condor]

also without even going into the logistics of how you would manage to compile the gigabytes of data properly, earlier you said gems you can just change the sockets on and get different stats. You realize you can do the same shit with crafted gear right? Even if you can't, you can just change the socket colors and end up getting like insanely close to whatever you were trying to do

[slate crown]

it's ok I'll go back to playing with my rocks

[little tulip]

wasn't this xpac started by a burning legion sword

[sturdy stirrup]

oxi is grandpa

[little tulip]

what does it meaaaaaan

[indigo mulch]

Ikr?

[slate crown]

My gusher rocks

[unkempt warren]

have our trinket choices chanaged at all with the upcoming buffs/nerfs on wed?

[indigo mulch]

What's a Gusher? D:

[balmy condor]

your wife

[indigo mulch]

Oh my

[slate crown]

Gusher rocks see?

[spiral steeple]

gygabites of data? just quantize stats in reasonable chunks and sim stat distrubutions to get an idea..... yeah i know you can change stats of gears but the whole point of this was to not change them.....

[quartz tartan]

hello guys , am new sin should i spread the rupture to multi target or no? and how many targets, thanks

[indigo mulch]

[whole sand]

math words

[shy pecan]

Yes, for energy generation and for scent for blood

[crisp pine]

oke but fr why aren't you just doing that then? I don't understand?

[tacit wedge]

yes you should spread it, bleed is your bread and butter in aoe

[west crown]

5

[tacit wedge]

what the fuck is your endgoal

[sturdy stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/403341336129830918/1086288152588726302/orig.gif

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, i've just become so lazy playing m0's i use 2 maybe 3 ruptures then i just caustic spatter everything ;<

[balmy condor]

so changing gems is fine but you draw the line at gear

[spiral steeple]

im lazy and just wanted to know if someone already did that

[shy pecan]

…

[balmy condor]

again, no one did that

it's not feasible

[quartz tartan]

should i go outlaw for focosing m+ or keep sin

[spiral steeple]

well one is much more of an assle then the other....

[whole sand]

hey but if you want to run it tho

https://simulationcraft.org/

[little tulip]

you have to have the indiscriminate carnage talent to spread garrote, serrated bone spikes will generate combo points too so you can spread rupture via IC & get slice n dice up too etc

[tacit wedge]

whatever is more fun to you

[crisp pine]

Well as you can see, no one has and if it's fairly easy as you implied, just do it yourself real quick and you'll never have to interact with the whispyr-army you so despise again

[slender needle]

whatever you enjoy more

[balmy condor]

so then change the gems to counterbalance the crafted stats

[spiral steeple]

never said its easy, its an assle and its probably gonna take quite a while

[indigo mulch]

What are we arguing about? I wanna join too.

[hollow blade]

i switched to sin cause i thought it'd be better but its been hard to learn.. should i switch back to outlaw?

[royal python]

Is tail coin working with zoldyck

[hollow blade]

been playing it since legion

[tacit wedge]

bro, i've seen wild shit and did even worse, and even when i'm off my meds I'm more comprehensible and lucid that you are, noone is understanding what you're trying to communicate, you're not able to formulate a single proper thought that makes sense, you have no end goal, you're just trolling

[crisp pine]

you should play what's the most fun to you

[spiral steeple]

true didnt really think of that honestly but given how many sockets we can get rn that could work once sockets get cheap enough

[little tulip]

im always happy to see speed on loot, it genuinely makes the game easier :p

[hollow blade]

sin is fun, but im sucking at it rn lol

[balmy condor]

oh so now gold and time are a constraint?

[hollow blade]

outlaw im very used to tho

[balmy condor]

they weren't an hour ago when we told you to sim

[tacit wedge]

keep playing until it's both fun and you don't suck at it

it's always better to improve on something you enjoy

[crisp pine]

If you like it, keep playing and you'll get the hang of it eventually
Plays very different from outlaw so you just gotta practice a bit

[spiral steeple]

are you for real xd? this whole thing started becouse i wanted something general as to not change stats and resim it every time xd

[indigo mulch]

Bash dem dummies until you feel comfy with the rotation.

[subtle tundra]

im over a million deep into gold costs

aaaaa

[tacit wedge]

what

[whole sand]

yo give me some gold

[subtle tundra]

shits expensive man

[tacit wedge]

how can you be broke

[spiral steeple]

sure if gold and time was not a costraint your sim it answer would have been perfect

just sim it and change to the best stats every time

[tacit wedge]

just do like me
||sell Xal'atath feet pics||

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635

[tacit wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

[crisp pine]

Then just use crit/mastery?
like it says
in the guide?

[whole sand]

i feel like the ghost of maxroll past has come to haunt this discord chat

[indigo mulch]

It dosen't even matter what stat you pick as Deathstalker. ;s You legit could just equip whatever is the highest ilvl ;s

[balmy condor]

I can't even make a response that makes sense to that

[tacit wedge]

I should thank this unhinged madman, at least thanks to him, I remembered to take my medsmeds

[spiral steeple]

yeah thats what i was thinking, but in the suggest gear section of the gear haste/mastery is suggested, thats why i got the doubt and decided to ask on discord, but i guess that was a mistake

[west crown]

No but you don’t get it, what is .000000000000001 percent better?

[balmy condor]

no, it's not suggested

[left sundial]

Assa not gonna be s tier at raid end game right ?

[tacit wedge]

why not?

only time can tell

[acoustic roost]

It’s s tier in our hearts

[left sundial]

Some players chose sub for raiding

[balmy condor]

there's literally a paragraph

about what to craft your stats with

I don't get it

[indigo mulch]

I suspect we will prob stay around the middle of the pack.

[whole sand]

we have come full circle

[indigo mulch]

We will prob see some assassination on the last boss though, from what i understood outlaw/sub is kind of oof on that boss.

[left sundial]

Cant snowball st mythic 0 adds dies sonic speed hurts 😦

[tacit wedge]

I think this take still stand

[crisp pine]

You mean the BiS-List at the top?
That's like a very specific setup of gear
for general purpose just take crit/mastery and you're gonna be fine

[balmy condor]

why did we go down the rabbit hole of trying to find a way to feasible simulate 300 million gear combinations with higher accuracy than simulationcraft can give right now

if we're just going to stumble over a bis list

[tacit wedge]

if blizzard decide to throw the tuning through the door, then sin will be dogwater, we don't fucking know

[left sundial]

All the time i love rogue all other games playing rog too

[indigo mulch]

I wonder how long a 300milion gear combination would take raid bots to do.

[mighty crown]

10 extra minutes that shit is FAST

[spiral steeple]

nah i can assure u its doable with much less within reasonable approximation (simming stat and not real gear) and that has been done before

[balmy condor]

yes

it's called

recommending crit mast

like the fucking guide says

[tacit wedge]

the CPU would unplug itself rather than calculate this abomination

[left sundial]

Assa prob gonna be god high keys

[spiral steeple]

yeah you are the one that got worked up when i thanked you for that answer tho

[balmy condor]

oh fuck off

[indigo mulch]

Anything that uses CPU computing is just slow. If simc would use GPU computing you would prob see tasks being completed in like 10x~50x faster. ;o

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[fading mason]

has anyone tried fatebound on ansurek ?

[west crown]

Actually trolling now

[whole sand]

thanks for coming out folks

[limber lion]

Very cool

[tacit wedge]

the scales of Anubis' balance have shifted.

[tacit wedge]

i actually came out years ago, but thanks

[balmy condor]

what an absolute waste of energy

[left sundial]

Guys what comp fit as assa rog at mythic pluses you think ?

[limber lion]

Any

[tacit wedge]

Any

[indigo mulch]

pretty much anything to be fair D:

[limber lion]

Literally doesn't matter

[acoustic roost]

Any

[subtle tundra]

1x tank 1x heal 2x dps + assa

very bis

[indigo mulch]

I'm pretty confident that we will see tons of rogues in mdi if nothing is changed.

[crisp pine]

nah you're tripping actually

[tacit wedge]

1xtank 1xheal 2xaug

[left sundial]

1 tank 1 heal x3 warrior

[tacit wedge]

where is the sin rogue

[indigo mulch]

sin is just very strong in AoE, their damage profile is super nice for m+ 😮

[crisp pine]

in stealth

[subtle tundra]

it is but mdi is very very very different

[indigo mulch]

[left sundial]

Add weeks imagine giga pulls

[haughty flicker]

when is mdi anyway

[subtle tundra]

its speedrunning dungeons not normal gaming

[subtle tundra]

pretty soon

[crisp pine]

alright guys, real question now
Does my BiS-List change if I'm in stealth or not?

[balmy condor]

can't wait for the MDI rogues to complain about their tank chaining on their 10 minutes +17 necrotic wake

[indigo mulch]

[haughty flicker]

does the bis list account for me not getting restealths

[tacit wedge]

but muh indiscriminate carnage!!!!

[crisp pine]

what if I forget to apply poisons? Should I get more haste then?

[indigo mulch]

Yup, more haste means faster apply poison casts.

big gains

[tacit wedge]

why does my caustic not proc when i don't rupture?

[balmy condor]

bis list assumes that I apply my deathstalkers mark but I lose the mark on every intermission cause I don't play with boss timers

will this change my stats

[slender needle]

ye just get a pocket pi so u dont need to use your poisons

[royal lantern]

stop stalking my gameplay wtf

[tacit wedge]

does my ISP choice influence my bis list?

[indigo mulch]

Its actually kind of bonkers, how many rogues out there don't know how to play around boss mechanics and mark.

[little tulip]

1000 crit haste gears

[royal lantern]

STOP CALLING ME OUT

[balmy condor]

it does if it's my fucking internet holy hell comcast is cancer

[royal lantern]

ITS WEEK1

[indigo mulch]

[little tulip]

those poor other leather classes

[tacit wedge]

i have 22ms, unplayable

[haughty flicker]

its ok i still routinely send my sentinel owl as mm on bosses just before they dash across the room and completely ruin it

[whole sand]

that owl should follow its so lazy

[balmy condor]

maybe your cable needs more haste, get it to 19

[subtle tundra]

guys does queen ansurek have pregnancy? she have big sack, like spider do when they have mini spideys

[tacit wedge]

Infexious said i need 30%

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

does that mean we get a multikill

[whole sand]

where do i input my pawn string into my router??

[subtle tundra]

spatter should hit them...

[balmy condor]

maybe I should start just spitting out random numbers

[crisp pine]

Why does whispyrs plater hide amp poison btw? How do I know when to vanish > ambush mid pull so I can envenom the target with the most amp poison stacks?

[grim jay]

because its passive

[balmy condor]

I got aids from that

thanks

[haughty flicker]

brother i dont even remember what amp poison does

i just apply it and move on

[candid hull]

Spread rupture or crimson first?

[grim jay]

did they break you?

[candid hull]

in a dungeon pack

[balmy condor]

if you're in carnage you should spread ruptures

cause like

[candid hull]

no stealth buff

[balmy condor]

then cast CT

[grim jay]

ive never seen a more disappointed "oh fuck off" from you than the one earlier, whispyr

[little tulip]

fixing your ui in week 1 is not winning mentality

its good enough

[whole sand]

i had to completely rip my ui out before the raid because it was killing my fps

[limber lion]

You new around here?

Hehe

:)

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

bro ain't even moving the goal posts anymore he's just fucking making them out of spaghetti and slinging it down the field like a baseball

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

arent you the new one

bozo

[open mountain]

Quick sim saying use crimson tempest single target (m+ build) is that correct?

[balmy condor]

sadly yes

[haughty flicker]

[earnest remnant]

you should see when i posted my cast sequences

[whole sand]

waht

[shy pecan]

Never seen someone care so much about like 0.1% gains on gear they don’t have

[limber lion]

That's gonna be a negative

[shy pecan]

Post it.

[grim jay]

I sadly only saw the beginning, had to leave

[royal lantern]

good first heroic week tbh

next week curve and then mythic time

[shy pecan]

Why no 99s?

[nova aspen]

hey guys could any1 critique my log of a princess heroic kill? i am not sure what i did wrong

[little tulip]

deathmark is being used so it's gotta be a lieutenant or higher

[shy pecan]

[earnest remnant]

go do last two

bozo

[little tulip]

or ur just melting a random caster or something ._.

[royal lantern]

we raid 2 days mr nolife

[grim jay]

I wish I could melt our casters

[royal lantern]

for 5hours

[grim jay]

and forge gear out of them

so theyd be useful

[balmy condor]

what is this even in reference to

[haughty flicker]

[indigo mulch]

So stronk.

[royal lantern]

getting a full normal clear+almost a full heroic clear in 5hours is

[limber lion]

One day should be enough

[haughty flicker]

ncos famously hate their officer corps so he wants to kill his lt

[grim jay]

5 hours per day

[earnest remnant]

so did we?

[royal lantern]

tru

1 pull

[open mountain]

Was this to the crimson tempest comment? Not sure if you if where taking to someone else 🙈

[balmy condor]

yes

[open mountain]

Thank you

[limber lion]

I think I'm downloading the game today once I get home

Got the paycheck yesterday

[little tulip]

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/oceans12-laser-dance-scene-heist-cat-burglar-avoiding-lasers-gif-11741205

[balmy condor]

cev saw ct single target and decided to reinstall

[limber lion]

Big time

[grim jay]

which boss is it ?

[haughty flicker]

based

[balmy condor]

literal heralding hell

[limber lion]

Gotta update the plater

[earnest remnant]

@royal lantern just do it in two days?

[haughty flicker]

probably nexus princess because pugs cant figure out how to move the fucking lines out of the group

[grim jay]

wish it was pugs

[haughty flicker]

[grim jay]

took them like 6 tries to figure out that they can just stay outside after getting the lines

for the orbs

[whole sand]

but i gotta maintain my envenom

[open mountain]

What is the condition for crimson tempest on single target then? 27% uptime in a 5 minute fight

[royal lantern]

does that make you hard or something like that

[earnest remnant]

you called us nolifers and used two days as an excuse

[balmy condor]

if you apply your mark, you get clear the witnesses
if you don't have vicious venoms, you fok on single target to consume clear the witnesses
if the fok that consumed clear the witnesses crits, you get momentum of despair
if you have momentum of despair, it buffs the crit/crit damage of CT
which means you cast CT

[open mountain]

Ohhh ok cheers overlooked that

[gilded oasis]

I have a moment of despair

[balmy condor]

I have multiple of those

[versed mica]

Does anyone know if blizzard fixed recup bug on PTR?

[balmy condor]

they did not

[versed mica]

I'm going to kill them

[gilded oasis]

woah

[glacial crypt]

good shit love to see it

[versed mica]

In warcraft

Whispyr, are you playing Fatebound?

[glacial crypt]

that would be wild

[versed mica]

Is it suddenly better than DS?

[glacial crypt]

fatebound sims better

DS feels better

[royal lantern]

huh

[versed mica]

From what I remembered, Deathstalker simmed better

What changed?

[glacial crypt]

unless I'm looking at outdated sims which could totally be the case, fuu's spreadsheet though^^

[balmy condor]

they've been within margin of error

for like

[royal lantern]

^

[balmy condor]

legit 6 weeks

[versed mica]

Well then why the fuck am I struggling in raid with Deathstalker bullshit

Swapping immediately

[balmy condor]

idk

[glacial crypt]

having uptime on your mark is like the biggest thing

[whole sand]

this hurt

[versed mica]

Kept losing mark on queen LMAO

[royal lantern]

how?

[glacial crypt]

on queen getting it off of her before she starts transitioning is important

[gilded oasis]

I am uncomfortable with the amount of viable talent builds

[balmy condor]

well designed

[normal mist]

i lost it once when she goes up, then i vanished and applied to the add in the first phase

[versed mica]

Is Fatebound also simming close in dslice?

[royal lantern]

you hit her the entire time

during intermission you apply a mark on the first add and then roll with it during the intermission

then its queen again until she is dead

how do you lose the mark

[balmy condor]

it's close in dslice but dungeonroute knocks it down a peg

[normal mist]

You and me on the same vibe

[versed mica]

Okay going Fatebound hard

[royal lantern]

i mean, you could also just vanish for a mark on the first add if you did a fuckup there and keep going

[supple coral]

I have a rogue question if any1 can answear

[glacial crypt]

You can absolutely, sure

[versed mica]

Should I macro cold blood with KB?

[balmy condor]

sure

[normal mist]

this is not a rogue discord!

[royal lantern]

only 1 answer, chose wisely

[balmy condor]

not atm

[glacial crypt]

we can try our best

[balmy condor]

it would munch edge case that way

[supple coral]

Im kinda new to rogue, i feel as if i always run out of energy to do att and im lacking in dps i feel

[versed mica]

Ew cb being on a 45 second CD makes it weird

[balmy condor]

thats by design

[shy pecan]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[balmy condor]

yeh but it doesn't go on cooldown till you consume the 2 stacks

so it kinda ends up being close to 50-55

[versed mica]

Lacking dps is by design

[hidden herald]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

I meant the energy obviously don't make fun of assa tuning

[versed mica]

Oh okay cool

[balmy condor]

the fact we didn't get single target buffs this week

is WILD

[versed mica]

Tier set is our st buff obviously

[junior aurora]

they missed a few specs

bm hunter aoe is below tanks and they only got pvp changes lol

[balmy condor]

like they could've easily cut down caustic, buffed literally anything else, and made the tier set not dogshit

and we would be perfect

[supple coral]

then my other question is should i stay around a certain energy amrk while doing dps?

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[glacial crypt]

basically play off of your envenom timer and just spam inside your cds

your energy should be fine if you're pooling well

[magic shore]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[glacial crypt]

wowhead guide has been on my screen for the last week doing splits lmfao

@balmy condor the goat

[balmy condor]

[nova aspen]

any warcraftlog experts can help me diagnose a heroic princess kill? not sure where i went wrong here

[glacial crypt]

throw it at me

[indigo mulch]

You should change the guide so it shows fatebound first

[nova aspen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RzNBGYMgp6kjA9Zh#fight=last&type=damage-done

[indigo mulch]

that way we will have less "why do i do low damage" questions

😄

[glacial crypt]

are you looking to improve damage? you didn't freaking wipe

[nova aspen]

yeah

[balmy condor]

suspicious peaks missing

[tacit wedge]

why tf are all my spellbars wiped clean

[gilded oasis]

wanna see my peaks

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-12007368131756137942

[proven jasper]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[nova aspen]

so maybe perfect my deathmark window more

[balmy condor]

you uh

didn't press deathmark

[indigo mulch]

[whole sand]

that'll do it

[balmy condor]

you have 1 cast of deathmark

in 6 minutes

[royal lantern]

based

[nova aspen]

wait wtf

[royal lantern]

BASED

[glacial crypt]

that's impressive

[royal lantern]

fuck cooldowns

[proven jasper]

based anti deathmark build

[whole sand]

[prisma laurel]

disgusting loli people

[indigo mulch]

Gigachad.

[nova aspen]

i definitely pressed deathmark when it was up all 3 times

[indigo mulch]

Who needs cds.

[nova aspen]

maybe my macro is fucked?

[indigo mulch]

You go boi

[royal lantern]

what

[gilded oasis]

what is the macro

[spiral steeple]

did u macro delve trinket?

[glacial crypt]

What on earth is the macro

[glacial crypt]

put deathmark at the top

[nova aspen]

ohh

[glacial crypt]

does blood fury take a gcd?

or does your trinket

because that could also be what's fricking it

ascension trinket for instance

[vapid terrace]

blood does not

[hearty reef]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-anna-gunn-skyler-white-yo-crying-gif-14653036763871554707

[glacial crypt]

oh wait

[distant moon]

the 2/2 vicious venoms still sims best for me by 6k. anyone else the same? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i7KzTevCtbcuVekcco6ubz

[haughty flicker]

bro wasnt pressing deathmark at all and still did more damage than the pugs ive had

[normal mist]

Guys

[glacial crypt]

You don't have an active trinket on so I'm not sure why that macro isn't working lmao

[normal mist]

i did a thing

(normal)

[haughty flicker]

huge

[vapid terrace]

out of range when he pushed macro is my guess

[glacial crypt]

go on gamer

[indigo mulch]

[nova aspen]

im using skardyn's grace

[normal mist]

I didnt even know the fights were logged

[spiral steeple]

not sure that sims account for the new bug

[kindred dune]

how, teach me senpai

[normal mist]

I pressed stuff, like BRRRRRRR

[glacial crypt]

oop im looking at the wrong rogue sorry LMAO

[nova aspen]

xD

[glacial crypt]

even then I'm sure your is off gcd

the macro should work but, either way deathmark is prio over trinket + blood fury use so just put it to the top just incase the order is messing it up

I personally have individual keybinds for them

[nova aspen]

ok i moved it to the top, if it shares gcd then i need to spam it

[whole sand]

i gotta say its extremely brave of you to post a log where you didn't press deathmark, i couldn't of done that, big respect

[nova aspen]

i didnt think it would share gcd tho

[glacial crypt]

gotta learn somehow innit

[lime crypt]

[outer sundial]

it's /cast

[nova aspen]

thats the thing tho, i did press it all 3 times, and it showed it on cd

[indigo mulch]

[nova aspen]

but apparently it was the trinket on cd

[whole sand]

no i know im just teasing

[glacial crypt]

oh my god it is

[nova aspen]

[glacial crypt]

LMAO

[spiral steeple]

yeah thats the issue probably

[whole sand]

your macro fucked you

[haughty flicker]

that would do it

[outer sundial]

lmao

[glacial crypt]

holy

[nova aspen]

ohh its /cast??

[shy pecan]

He got one off though?

[nova aspen]

god damnit

[whole sand]

wait yeah

how did you get the first one off

[spiral steeple]

cast for spells, use for items

[glacial crypt]

#showtooltip
/cast Deathmark
/cast Blood Fury
/use 14

just use t hat

xd

[vapid terrace]

but i want it to be /use 13!

[twin bolt]

yo guys, for normal pugs in m+ -> assassination or outlaw? which shoudl theoretically perform better? i like both specs

[glacial crypt]

awh frick

[haughty flicker]

use works

[glacial crypt]

Whichever you prefer

[haughty flicker]

that isnt the issue

[glacial crypt]

both are sick rn

if there are warriors in your group, go assa

[indigo mulch]

@normal mist we can be 99 bros now

#normalraidgamers

[balmy condor]

wait yeah

how did he have /use deathmark

but the first one went off

in opener

[nova aspen]

maybe i spammed it by accident idk

[normal mist]

You did way more dmg than me, what a chad

[haughty flicker]

yeah idk what the issue is but it isnt /use

get fucked ig

[balmy condor]

I mean idk

[glacial crypt]

second deathmark keybind lmfao

[twin bolt]

you all playing the bleed build for m+?

[indigo mulch]

Maybe i have better gear ;X

[nova aspen]

i only have 1 keybind and its the macro

[shy pecan]

It’s better for lower/trivial dungeon content, yes

[normal mist]

i'm 605, but my trinkets suck pretty much. I dont have a good USE trinket

[balmy condor]

I assume you're hiding macro name?

cause uh

there's no indication here that there's a macro

[whole sand]

if there's one takeaway from this its that you've been playing handicapped this entire time

[haughty flicker]

doesnt everyone just put a space as the macro name

[whole sand]

so don't sweat it

[haughty flicker]

who actually names them

[indigo mulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bb47Z9ohjry5D15kHk7W48

[nova aspen]

well i have showtooltip on it now

[indigo mulch]

Double nice.

[balmy condor]

I name mine and then change the icon to outlaw icons to confuse youtube/twitch

it's been pretty funny

[haughty flicker]

thats pretty based

[nova aspen]

idk ill try this new macro

might explain some pulls tho where the old one was acting weird

not actually deathmarking

[twin bolt]

does the bleed build requires targets switches in m+? i really dont like that normally

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

it's a feature of every build

cause you always use carnage

[glacial crypt]

think i prepped my rogues well for normal

[spice spire]

Was touching grass sorry king

[normal mist]

I'll show mine in just a sec, i got the queens trinket on the kill

[shy pecan]

Yeah, the reason why the second DM didn't go off was because he was on GCD still:

[indigo mulch]

giga

[normal mist]

your "rogues"??

[balmy condor]

yeah I'd believe that

[glacial crypt]

i have an army

[balmy condor]

cuddle is a big gamer

with many splits

[normal mist]

holy moly jesus

[indigo mulch]

I may or may not have forgotten to use cds on rasha'nan 😄

[glacial crypt]

bookmark wowhead guide

without whispyr i am nothing

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jv5oz1PwtF9cLZHkezz8UQ

[shy pecan]

I have no clue about the third DM though.

[normal mist]

same

[spice spire]

Real

[indigo mulch]

That trinket is noice D;

[glacial crypt]

feelsbad

[balmy condor]

range maybe?

[shy pecan]

Maybe?

[glacial crypt]

Though on Rasha'nan caustic doesn't even reach the adds

[indigo mulch]

Youtube takes away my attention :X

[shy pecan]

Though, you posted the first DM and the macro shoulda put them all together, not have them all separated like that

[glacial crypt]

wirtual playlist is goated

[balmy condor]

idk man

[glacial crypt]

don't even play trackmania

[shy pecan]

Coulda been a range thing

[indigo mulch]

The norwegian dude?

[glacial crypt]

yesss

[balmy condor]

did you see him and anna cramling are official?

[normal mist]

I was lucky enough to get both trinket and curio

[glacial crypt]

REALLY?

that's so cute

[balmy condor]

yeah

[indigo mulch]

What really?

[balmy condor]

didn't have that on my bingo card

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

[indigo mulch]

I wish i had a beautiful girlfriend 😦

[normal mist]

Mine bullies me

[glacial crypt]

no youd on't

you wish you had big logs

keep playing

[indigo mulch]

I married mine, that was a big mistake.

[marble cradle]

i have a question, if i fk up my ambush from stealth and dont have vanish or buff for mark i need to wait for next vanish to apply my mark right? there is no other way outside of ambush from stealht or the buff?

[normal mist]

yes

you wait

so don't fuck up both opener ambush nor VANISH ambush

[haughty flicker]

you wipe the raid and go next

[glacial crypt]

you'd basically play the rotation as normal but without deathmark which would feel horrible

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkJZ8a05PZY

they are adorable

[marble cradle]

thanks basically dont fk up this basic thing

[glacial crypt]

then from vanish just apply it

[young dust]

!craft

[normal mist]

unfortunately yeah

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[glacial crypt]

this is hot off the press

thank you for gifta

[young dust]

next week we can craft 626 with spark right?

[glacial crypt]

yes

[young dust]

m7 to m10 m+ i believe right?

[shy pecan]

Isn't 626 before the gilded ones?

[glacial crypt]

636 though

[glacial crypt]

Yes

[young dust]

Oh, thanks

[haughty flicker]

626 is r1 gilded

[glacial crypt]

rank 2 :3

[shy pecan]

#1080572530554835072

[young dust]

sitting on 33 gilded and 90 runed

[haughty flicker]

[glacial crypt]

so 619 is r5 crafts this week with heroic crests and next week you can fire off a full 636 r5 with mythic crests

[young dust]

+9 and above*

[royal lantern]

how did you get gilded lol

[glacial crypt]

oh? ty 😄 oversight

[glacial crypt]

you get 3 from a few delves - bountiful maps

and i believe last 2 heroic gives some

so if you killed last 2 + got a map you'll be sitting on 33

[shy pecan]

From delves? I thought it was just heroic

for this week

[haughty flicker]

the map gives gilded

[young dust]

Yeah t8 bountifuls I believe

[glacial crypt]

I'm on 6 before doing last 2 on this char

[royal lantern]

good thing i never saw a map

[glacial crypt]

and this char got 2 maps

[royal lantern]

[haughty flicker]

my hunter has like 6 yeah

[shy pecan]

Roll better

Duh

[young dust]

i got 2 or 3 maps hence the 33 gilded then

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-laptop-drake-gif-21716481

[balmy condor]

need a statistical analysis of all possible loot drops from delve

[royal lantern]

sim it

[shy pecan]

On it

[indigo mulch]

Just sim it.

[shy pecan]

Got it

[indigo mulch]

[young dust]

too bad you need 90 for craft

[glacial crypt]

our tank was screaming at me for getting maps on every char xd

[indigo mulch]

Bro, i've gotten 1 map so far 😐

[glacial crypt]

he done 5 chars before getting a map

[indigo mulch]

[hidden herald]

99% ilvl pass on heroic princess - we gammmming

[young dust]

i heard maps are warband wide

[glacial crypt]

love to see it keep that shit up

[glacial crypt]

I believe they're just for the char they drop on

if they're warbound wide then I've wasted some giga loot lmao

[still wharf]

can someone help me understand 5 min vs 5 min why im down like 13m envenom damage. im doing the needful hitting 7p env when i have darkest night up. bleeds not dropping at all. am i bungling kingsblood? is there a goal of like 3 envenoms in 1 window or something

[glacial crypt]

do you have a log?

[still wharf]

i didnt have the thing ticked so im gonna hit another 5 min dummy with a log now

all the other numbers add up

freakin out lol

[glacial crypt]

this is my breakdown on 5 minutes into heroic princess

this is with full raid buffs + hero and stuff though so comparison might be a bad idea

[still wharf]

yeah i dont have any buffs on sim or in game atm

[young dust]

too bad its versatility

[still wharf]

just raw

let me get cast sequence etc

[glacial crypt]

HOLDDDDD

[still wharf]

like i can break down classic logs easy i just fundamentally dont understand something

[glacial crypt]

wait for m+ to spend curio + catalysts ladies 😭

[young dust]

yeah i'll wait vault, was just checking the item

[glacial crypt]

thank the lord

[wet briar]

hey my ctw weakaura randomly stopped working today, any one else having issues with LEs?

downloaded again etc but no cigar

[young dust]

shoulder is the one we don't want?

haven't seen the stats in others

[marble cradle]

i think u dont want the chest

[royal lantern]

now im gonna send on any random item

[glacial crypt]

one of our rogues catalysted a belt and was like "guys i found some tech"

he hasn't played since legion and it was hilarious

[royal lantern]

the tmog tech

chad move

[young dust]

the chest seems ass as well

[shy pecan]

More stats seems good

[pure moth]

Good thing stats don't matter

[glacial crypt]

you take brood chest from raid

oop now hang on a moment

that's a tier piece

yeah just sim your char actually, wowhead guide just recommends 5set

[young dust]

this one with the rest being tier set might be the best

[glacial crypt]

this is something I want to look into now actually ty

[balmy condor]

chest is the off piece

but in the way of

"an equal ilvl chest can be 0.2% better"

not "avoid this item at all costs"

[glacial crypt]

target farm siege chest

[tall atlas]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[shy pecan]

Sin isn't like outlaw for gearing. All stats are good.

[young dust]

so in a general case ilvl should be better despite having vers?

[novel star]

back from shower

what happened with that curious little fella earlier

[shy pecan]

Yes. And if equal, then just sim and see what's better

[novel star]

any progress

[glacial crypt]

omg welcome back from your shower

[novel star]

thanks man

it was a pretty nice one!

[mild tiger]

!macros

[novel star]

!guide theyre in here

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[keen viper]

Do u use aoe talents for raid?

[glacial crypt]

No, just swap to caustic on fights with cleave

on ovinax there's a specific build

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMzMzMzMWmBAAAAAgZBWmBAAAAAg22mZGegZGjZmZZ2GjxgxMzMzYmNLjZA2MLDMgFwywEYYA

[heavy sentinel]

so im using whispyrs plater but id love to be able to have my combo points show up on enemy nameplates any advice for that?

[fickle girder]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/nerub-ar-palace-raid-tips

[glacial crypt]

on Rasha'nan just run full ST, caustic doesn't reach the adds

[shy pecan]

Enable combo points in the plater settings

[balmy condor]

until I open logs and see 80% just running caustic and they're doing like 35% caustic damage so it's really pad but they won't play CT even though it would be better

[heavy sentinel]

i did that and they still dont show up

[glacial crypt]

[hidden herald]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[crisp pine]

Did you do a good old reload?

[heavy sentinel]

yea

[fickle girder]

When you're ascended with the serum trinket, FoK animation gets goofy

[glacial crypt]

this is the best thing ever

[crisp pine]

God damn imagine piercing someones head with that

Gotta be a dps increase frfr

[glacial crypt]

it's like models in cs2 demos

[fickle girder]

[jaunty warren]

Wait …recuperator seems to be working as intended…what is the bug?

[glacial crypt]

they get all ragdoll on you

[shy pecan]

They’re working on mine

[somber fractal]

is siphoning stiletto really that bad? its simming withing margin of error with darkmoon dagger for me

[balmy condor]

it just stops working randomly with cut to the chase extensions

[glacial crypt]

For prog it's generally just risky honestly

[balmy condor]

that's the best result I've heard it getting, and it's still worse in aoe and it damages you

taking damage to hit margin of error sounds less than ideal

[glacial crypt]

^^

[jaunty warren]

Ok Ty…I will look closer…I was happy to see it working at all

[balmy condor]

yeh its been broken since dragonflight

10.0

[somber fractal]

but it has being buffed upside and i think darkmoon has being nerfed downside. im a gambler

[fickle girder]

Got this badboy from a delve...

[glacial crypt]

oho

[heavy sentinel]

i got it thanks for the help

[balmy condor]

based I guess

[spice spire]

Based on what

[glacial crypt]

😭

[somber fractal]

you dont get a rank 1 nexus princess parse using caustic spatter without living dangerously

[chilly nimbus]

hi guys, question. The 2pc tier set change the damage from envenom?

[slate crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/816403895210606693/817586492985311232/image0.gif

[balmy condor]

no

[chilly nimbus]

thx

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-shaking-head-fisheye-lens-gif-25374523

[glacial crypt]

i have some bad news for you 😭

[keen viper]

i use this ?

[fickle girder]

Yes, look at talents per boss and use accordingly

[keen viper]

thx M3

😄

[small grotto]

Hello one have good plater for rogue assa?

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[small grotto]

thx

[unkempt warren]

@balmy condor have you simmed the trinket changes? is arakara still bis for us?

[spring moat]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[still wharf]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QLhX87FNKWM1qAJC#boss=-3&difficulty=0&source=9&type=summary could you look at this? 2 runs a few mistakes here and there but really what i need to understand is the env dmg

[glacial crypt]

im crying

okay those messages are NOT related LOL

[tall cradle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[glacial crypt]

checking it out now

[spring moat]

yeah. just seen that @glacial crypt

i parsed grey.. like wtf am i doing wrong T_T

[glacial crypt]

so immediately I'd use your trinket as you're pressing DM, you're missing out on half the duration of the trinket from casting it pre-combat

[glacial crypt]

are you running one shiv?

[still wharf]

can u elaborate

[young dust]

if you're starting a new pack in dungeon and already have DN active, what's the play? 7cp envenom or rupture first?

[glacial crypt]

do you have this talented

[still wharf]

i think so one sec, using default raid build on wowhead

it has 3 charges

[glacial crypt]

If you are then you're not using shiv correctly in this log

IT HAS 3?

[still wharf]

yeah

2

excuse me lol

[glacial crypt]

LMFAO

[still wharf]

im using it with kingsbane every time

should i be using it on a specific env

[glacial crypt]

okay so, you used shiv once in your KB window

[still wharf]

guessing the capstone one

[glacial crypt]

You should be using both charges in that window

that empowers envenoms hit a lot

[fresh mulch]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[glacial crypt]

Here, this is from the wowhead guide

you're not using vanish at all

[young dust]

really wondering the priority between CT/rupture/envenom with DN alerady

[glacial crypt]

Which you should be doing to apply improved garrote

[acoustic latch]

did you all level as assassin too?

[glacial crypt]

I did just because I was geared as it last season on all rogues lmfao

[still wharf]

these things i can work into muscle memory and i appreciate but is that where the missing envenom damage is

[fickle girder]

leveled as outlaw. hook too good

[glacial crypt]

Not using shiv twice

[acoustic latch]

thats's fair.

[acoustic latch]

yea was debating between the two

[glacial crypt]

using shiv in your KB windows buffs your damage on envenoms

[still wharf]

ok, is there anything really specific during KB i need to be making sure to hit besides the 2x shiv

[woven torrent]

can i pop 2 tea in my burst window if needed ?

[glacial crypt]

in 5 minutes you cast 7 shivs

[still wharf]

why do i run out of energy during KB windows?

should i be pooling higher before

like 30 s going in

[glacial crypt]

you should be pooling pretty much all the time

you keep up dots, play around your envenom buff

[still wharf]

where am i trying to rest for energy? like when i see env drop do i hold to get back up to 200 for example

[glacial crypt]

When you're in CDs, you should be spamming to get lots of envenoms out

[knotty dust]

What's the easiest Bountiful to solo?

[glacial crypt]

then afterwards, return to chilling

[whole sand]

make sure you are using tea with shiv too

[glacial crypt]

Between every envenom

you build quickly, wait to spend

[midnight atlas]

anything without webs on the ground

[still wharf]

yeah i feel like when its time to blast im starved for energy despite being patient

ill practice more, ty