assassination

[crystal delta]

rn im aiming to go for spyglass and Skardyns grce

[onyx crane]

yeah that why I was looking at it

[normal mist]

me too

[onyx crane]

like on paper it might look nice but practically

[rotund oak]

skaldryns and spyglass(grim batol and siege of boralus)

[onyx crane]

yeah spyglass and grace sound nice BUT

[west crown]

The passive proc trinkets are better in general. Skardyns is an exception

[onyx crane]

no one want to run those 😛

[cursive cloak]

When is best to use ascendancy serum on pull or pre pull?

[crystal delta]

i did get spyglass luckily by trade from someone who didnt need 😄 but these two are probably my most disliked dungeons 😄

[rotund oak]

never

[crystal delta]

so i was hoping some changes changed our trink picks 😄

[rotund oak]

[plush bronze]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[rotund oak]

those tirnkets are basicly primary stat on equip and bis secondaries on proc

or use

[novel star]

before cooldowns

[rotund oak]

those are by default the best we can have

unless some other crazy trinkets exist down the road

[novel star]

you would set up your bleeds, set up 5 cp, cast serum, then the envenom -> dm-shiv-kb combo so your full burst window is serum buffed

[onyx crane]

Rogues with a 580 dagger can have a great personality ok!

[pulsar apex]

If I’ve crafted bracers and belt for embellishment… worth sparking one of them?

[spring moat]

Any log delvers here. @ me please

[onyx crane]

log delvers?

[tacit wedge]

what brann loadout you running?

[rotund oak]

its a bot(just sayin')

[grim jay]

maybe some omega tech

if kiss has 20s cd for the other onuse

[pulsar apex]

Logjammers?

[onyx crane]

I know but I still needed to make the joke

[grim jay]

so you have 10s of double

[strange python]

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[onyx crane]

sims

[strange python]

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[novel star]

raidbots top gear can sim gems i think

[strange python]

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[rotund oak]

top gear

[novel star]

scroll down to the bottom of top gear and there's a big section with toggles for gems/enchants etc

[rotund oak]

but ill give u a hint

its mastery and something else

[strange python]

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[south lava]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[zealous wolf]

Ritual knife with skaldryns sims best for me, higher than spyglass+skaldryns

[real solar]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

for me spyglass + skaldryns is 7k above all else

[zealous wolf]

Maybe i have too much crit already

[onyx crane]

I feel some trinks just sim better on paperthan in practical situations

[wanton mirage]

Are the trinket updates in the sims yet?

[rotund oak]

yeah might as well

with alot of crit could make sense

[zealous wolf]

is 75% dawnthread sim realistic?

Uptime i mean

[west crown]

Didn’t someone say that the movement speed scroll was good now?

[rotund oak]

i think its alot

[grim jay]

just go with 70

[rotund oak]

realistic is 60

[zealous wolf]

🙂

[full cove]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grim jay]

blue silken was 60 already

[mellow pasture]

Can I just macro Thistle Tea to Kingsbane or something

[grim jay]

[zealous wolf]

Im dead like 30% of the time so its closer to 40% then 🙂

[rotund oak]

hello hello 2 years ago

[grim jay]

sap confirmed non-believer

[gray olive]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[grim jay]

but what could I possibly expect from a skardyns enjoyer

[west crown]

As long as you alter your opener to use an extra envenom before going into cds it’s probably fine

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

the only thing im enjoying rn is printing tokens

bought 11 already

[grim jay]

but why

[rotund oak]

coz im wanna buy d4

[slate crown]

Tokens cheap rn

[lime crypt]

quick question, if im at darkest night buff and im at 6 CP, do I mutilate to do 7 cp finisher?

[slate crown]

yes

[lime crypt]

and do we still wanna chain envenoms?

[rotund oak]

made about 3.3mil till now

[normal mist]

Did a 2ish minutes rotation to test the new trinket

[grim jay]

im like -800k rn

[rotund oak]

bruh

i breathe and generate gold rn

[narrow basalt]

I am struggling a bit with energy on ST tbh. Never struggled in DF 😅

[normal mist]

its normal

[west crown]

Looks busted

[grim jay]

I can never make gold early because I only boost for gold

[normal mist]

it does have a cast time

which is meh

[grim jay]

or just buy a token because working is more efficient and more fun than anything else, boosting aside

[rotund oak]

im starting printing gold caps for my alts with enchanting from reset

[west crown]

So discount manic grieftorch

[rotund oak]

got radiant power formula drop

[normal mist]

pretty much but isnt a channel

its a cast

[slate crown]

I spent like 2.5M net (probably spent like 5M total) at the start of the expac, and I've made 3.5M net in the last like 7 days, now I'm printing money across 4 toons

[narrow basalt]

Does it bottle-neck your damage as much as mine? bc I struggle hard to do any real damage after the first kingsbane rot

[normal mist]

negative it does not

[grim jay]

lucky guy

[rotund oak]

my big money coming on reset 😉

[narrow basalt]

I see, I must be doing something weird.

[slate crown]

oh yeah

Reset going to be huge

[normal mist]

are you doing the rotation properly?

[rotund oak]

stacked a stupendous amount of shards and dusts

radiant power mass production

30k a piece

[narrow basalt]

yeah. Been playing sin for the enterity of DF and didnt have any problems. Just now tbh

The rot didnt change that much so Idk where I would do big mistakes

[slate crown]

right now with prices as they are I can get maybe 90% profit per ore? around there

it does take time to process it all but it's consistent and reliable

[normal mist]

I mean the rotation itself changed a bit

[rotund oak]

yeah it varies from like 75-90%

[normal mist]

we dont play for KB's but for shiv windows to tea

[slate crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354006270808144/1238343278005588062/AssassinationShiv.gif

[rotund oak]

the average is 50-60%

[normal mist]

we value more the envenom buff uptime in non burst phases

[silent stratus]

why internal bleeding is recommended over caustic spatter for sikran?

in the wowhead guide

[rotund oak]

coz its st?

[past forum]

sikran is full single target, caustic has 0 st gain

[normal mist]

Guys

what

the fuck

is this

[silent stratus]

ty

[rotund oak]

its bugged af

burn this screenshot

throw the dust to the sink

[normal mist]

wdym bugged

[rotund oak]

idk have u seen that much dps from anything

[pine grove]

!wa

[lime crypt]

did you hit wotlk mob with it or what

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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[spice surge]

Were just not used to the new numbers

Its not that insane

[normal mist]

If used to snipe stuff this can be really good

since it reduces the CD to 1 min if it kills the target

[west crown]

Add killing your tank? Boom! Headshot not a problem with Mad Queen’s Mandate!

[normal mist]

xD

[tawny geyser]

Rashanan with Caustic?

[normal mist]

i tried to buy the other curio that dropped for another guy, they didnt wan't 120k for it :C

[rotund oak]

yeah

we cleave off the boss the smallies

[normal mist]

Oh i can actually USE this shit while walking

[rotund oak]

although odds are they disappear anyway

[past forum]

every day when i go in for my morning grim batol dick flattening, the first group i join is inevitably half afk and then the rest get tired of waiting and leave group

[west crown]

Trinket? That makes it a lot better if so

[spice surge]

Lingering darkness for sub buffs shadow damage for trinkets too, as well as theyre stacking a lot of vers but in simc the bis profile has a 23M crit with it

[normal mist]

o.o

[rotund oak]

huge

[spice surge]

But like

[ocean ferry]

if i'm energy starved and dropped the envenomBuff cause of that, should i pool some energy after i build up to 7CP before using Envenom again?

[spice surge]

Max sectech casts is like 12M too

[ocean ferry]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice surge]

Its just beacon

But slightly weaker

[rotund oak]

idk 23mil is alot of dmg

ild take it

idc

gimme

[spice surge]

Its doing like 6% overall rather than the 9% beacon did

[brazen zodiac]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[tall atlas]

there is no PI value for assa rogue on bloodmallet

[normal mist]

The value is in your heart

[strange python]

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[normal mist]

And how much gold you paid that priest

[strange python]

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[spice surge]

It will be on there once they update it

@tall atlas

But im fairly sure its not on top

[primal heron]

Still want 2x Dawnthread lining as your embelishments?

[slate crown]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[plush bronze]

I'm sure this has come up but my search isn't yielding much and I've seen !craft - but with as easy as it is to craft a 610 dagger via pvp with no spark - I haven't seen much discussion around doing that and crafting wrist/belt with sparks/embellishments - is there a reason for that?

[chilly mist]

What are most people doing to play around this atm?

Thinking of taking 1 Vicious Venom node and using imp garrote

[torpid schooner]

Opener?

[strange python]

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[acoustic roost]

Non spark crafts don’t matter. Craft what you want

If you have the gold

[west crown]

Changing nothing because Whispyr said it doesn’t matter. The damage differences are very small

[quiet oar]

Is it still 4+ cps for envenom?

or 5+?

[royal lantern]

why tf can bloodbound horror PARRY

[nova aspen]

bruh

same with rash

[west crown]

…”casual”

[quiet oar]

Why is parry still a thing

🙂

[west crown]

I approve of the concept for gameplay. Why would a big strong monster not be able to parry

[tall atlas]

whoever puts it on can you just make it looks like its top >.>

[novel star]

valiona m0 pug

warrior charges fixated mob

dk grips fixated mob THROUGH ME

i will kill myself doing this shit in m+

im serious

[dire slate]

Anyone who is good at pvp who would like to chat a bit?

[tawdry sedge]

did they nerf outlaws or am i trippin?

[west crown]

-12% before tier now I heard

[novel star]

that is absolutely a lie

not even close

its a 5% nerf without tier

2% nerf with 4p

[hot pasture]

assa rogue talents for nerubar?

[novel star]

basically nothing

[west crown]

Guess I have bad ears

[tired gull]

Raid ST, swap to spatter for anything with multiple enemies is what i've been doing

[whole sand]

is bubbling wax still buggy?

i've been reapplying it every pull because someone said it helps but i dunno if it actually does

[hot pasture]

this is troll for 7/8 boss?

[acoustic roost]

Yes. Take 1 out of lethality Go back to ResoundingClarity

[tawdry sedge]

Not really troll but not optimal

what lig says is one thing

[wide ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
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[near flume]

does someone have a good weak auras to track darkest night?

[novel star]

whispyrs edit in that command

[tawdry sedge]

whispyr's edit is pretty good

[novel star]

does it

[tawdry sedge]

even if you dont see the icon on top of combo bar, the last combo is painted dark purple

[west crown]

Shouldn’t CT be good for Silken Court?

[nova aspen]

nope

3+ targets

[west crown]

I’ve seen Whispyr say 2+

[limber lion]

2+ yes

[novel star]

ct 2+, fok 3+ or 2+ on deathstalker

[nova aspen]

i would think he would add CT to the guide if it was viable

[iron valve]

the question is, is it worth dropping something for CT and thrown precision for silken court

[whole sand]

you can read the boss recommendations

its in there

[cursive frost]

Anyone sending their craft or still holding?

[west crown]

Just curious if the talent change would be negative for getting CT in the raid set up

[west crown]

Does he have a boss specific guide?

[wet junco]

hey guys a question here... is the assa rogue be safe and good to the 11.0.5? seem like the put us down from s to last place in the A

[tacit wedge]

Yes

[willow grotto]

Good evening, I need a little clarification, on the talent trees boss by boss on wowhead, why on the first boss we don't take improved garrote and shrouded suffocation and on the queen ansu'rek we take them

[nova aspen]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/nerub-ar-palace-raid-tips

[whole sand]

you drop imp garrote on pure ST

without imp garrote, shrouded soffocation is a dead point basically

[west crown]

We are getting buffed so idk who did that rating

[tawdry sedge]

Wait, we were an S tier spec? rofl

[wet junco]

some spanish dude call Carloszousa.. say we get from s with the FDK to the s.. as a melee class..

from s to a

[balmy condor]

imp gar/shrouded has burst value for shield on queen

[balmy condor]

what

[balmy condor]

who

[nova aspen]

hey whispyr could u answer the ct question above?

[nova aspen]

^

that one

[balmy condor]

if you can stack them sure fuck it

[nova aspen]

i coulda sworn u mentioned 2 target ct wasn't optimal

maybe that was just dungeons

[balmy condor]

ct on 2

[limber lion]

Also note that CT on 2+ only means that it's worth pressing CT if you're spec'd to it

[willow grotto]

Ok thxx, so improved and shrouded for burst and other for sustain damage ?

[novel star]

fan on 2 is the talent dependent one

[limber lion]

You sim yourself to see if it's worth dropping other stuff for it

[balmy condor]

it's like 10% more burst but slightly worse overall yes

[willow grotto]

Thx u a lot

[west crown]

How is the upcoming update a nerf, other than a small garrote nerf

[balmy condor]

I probably just remove imp gar from every build tbh

[nova aspen]

i noticed it wasnt in your wowhead raid guide so i didnt think it was worth

[novel star]

no sac no skardyns, surely siege is lucky today

[spring moat]

like anyone who can critique me. i felt like i did okay. but logs say .. gtfoutta here

[limber lion]

No one said that...

[balmy condor]

how is it a buff?

they're reworking 2 talents

best case scenario they're better than before and we take them

but equally likely is they're bad

and we don't take them

[whole sand]

this chat is hearing voices today

[balmy condor]

like

who told you that reworked talent = buff

[novel star]

this guy also said outlaw nerf was 12% which is a number i dont think anyone has ever said

so

[balmy condor]

TWELVE?

[novel star]

actually might be worth going to the doctor for potential schizophrenia in a nice way

like looking out for u type way

[limber lion]

Are you high ilvl? Are you killing the boss fast? Are you using all enchants/consumables? Do you have all raid buffs?

[west crown]

Tbf that 12 was from a glimpse of someone saying that in outlaw

[balmy condor]

you'd think they deleted between the eyes for 12%

[novel star]

LMFAOO

[whole sand]

outlaw confirms outlaw is dead

[west crown]

Which is why I didn’t say it with confidence

[novel star]

wasnt even half of that without the tier buff v_v

[novel star]

yeh thats fair im just picking fun a little

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-morgen-meercat-schlafen-müde-gif-14852645

[west crown]

But how is a longer stealth window, longer crit window now at least a m+ buff?

[balmy condor]

if we take it

[novel star]

i mean it depends

[balmy condor]

which again

who knows

[novel star]

90% of pulls all it provides is more iron wire

as far as i know we alrdy had almost that length of IC and cutting it to 6 didnt do much?

[limber lion]

I love it

[novel star]

idk i didnt play post 10.2 sin until now

[balmy condor]

without a trace needs anywhere from like 5-8% of a buff to be reasonable, master assassin is like a 2% talent

carnage doesn't do much

imp gar doesn't do much

like that subterfuge change needs to be

really large

[limber lion]

Iron Wire gang on top

[balmy condor]

it's a mile behind to begin with

[limber lion]

Dps numbers in mythic+ is so 2021

[severe pagoda]

where i can find 2 v 2 arenas pvp talents? i see only Cleave/ST builds but i guess there are not proper for pvp in icy-veins and wowhead

[limber lion]

#pvp

[balmy condor]

wowhead doesn't do pvp guides anymore I think

[novel star]

yea i really need like 20 whole seconds of iron wire silence or whatever

[balmy condor]

I think icyveins has a pvp guide

[spring moat]

600. we are almost using 2 pots. using some outdated enchants yes on consumables.. was missing priest fort lol

[limber lion]

It's pretty dank especially the dr

[severe pagoda]

i saw this guide, but i think it's rly bad

[balmy condor]

yeh iron wire is a reasonable thing to take subterfuge for in 11.0.5

[limber lion]

I love the casual life

Mythic+ build with no KB

[stoic salmon]

Quick question, I don’t play retail wow since cataclysm so this might be a stupid question.

When I leave stealth my stealth bar remains active for the period my talents that enhance rupture and garrote in stealth is active(6 sec?). This is annoying as I can’t pop out of stealth and use my regular out of stealth abilities. How do I solve this?

[limber lion]

Subterfuge for Iron Wire

🕺

[novel star]

remove the subterfuge talent

[whole sand]

have your stealth bar the same as your normal bar

[novel star]

thats whats causing it and its not good anyway

[limber lion]

That enhance Gar/Rup?

[novel star]

also this

[limber lion]

What would that be?

[balmy condor]

most of the time people just have their stealth bars be the same

[balmy condor]

carnage

[limber lion]

Ah

[balmy condor]

makes the icons glow

[limber lion]

Right

[stoic salmon]

I don’t have ambush and other in stealth only stuff in my regular bar…this mechanic is super badly implemented haha

[limber lion]

I haven't used stealth bars in 10ish years

[stoic salmon]

That s an odd solution. It ok hah

[storm hedge]

Are the trinket changes in sims?

[golden loom]

I have my bars the same in stealth expect for Ambush replacing my mutilate bind

[stoic salmon]

How do you turn stealth bar off?

[balmy condor]

well yeah, you just put ambush on your stealth bar where mut is, and..... that's it

[stoic salmon]

Sap as well 🙂

[whole sand]

no you just have sap

on your bars

[balmy condor]

I have sap on like a numpad key or something

[golden loom]

is sap used outside of pvp in retail?

[balmy condor]

rarely

in like open world

[stoic salmon]

I play pvp as well as pve

[proven jasper]

Rarely for mob skips as well

[nova aspen]

i sap a mob to mine a node sometimes

[whole sand]

these delves tho

[balmy condor]

doomed

[storm hedge]

I use sap quite often in delves

[balmy condor]

playing pvp means you need to find like another 7 keybinds

[whole sand]

don't forget your arena 1-2-3's

[balmy condor]

like sap, kinda pointless in pve, used in pvp

cheap shot, utterly useless in pve, used in pvp

[royal lantern]

cheapshot

[golden loom]

I have really enjoyed going from my 2 button rotation in classic to having to make new binds in retail

[bitter solar]

bind sap and pickpocket together because i'm lazy af

[limber lion]

Yeah sap, sap focus, sap 1, sap 2, sap 3, cheap shot, cheap shot focus, cs 1, cs 2, cs 3, kidney focus, kidney 1, kidney 2, kidney 3

Poggies

[solid venture]

2 drops on hc

and im the only rogue

[limber lion]

Gz

[whole sand]

get out of here

[nova aspen]

gimme 1

[jaunty matrix]

[past forum]

meanwhile the only daggers that ive seen are nerd daggers

[exotic epoch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[whole sand]

only thing i got from our normal clear/hc prog was a fucking mercurial egg

and i hate it so much

[west crown]

You got gear from your raid? Rogue gear didn’t even drop for mine

[balmy condor]

why though

[tall atlas]

dont even know which of the three specs to go into for highest dps

is it really OL

[balmy condor]

yeah highest overall atm is outlaw

just got no burst

[tall atlas]

all the echo boiz are on Sub

[whole sand]

i don't wanna stand still

[balmy condor]

yeah

sub has burst

[balmy condor]

then dont?

[tall atlas]

ok

ty whys

ill just see how gearing goes on the next couple raids

[west crown]

Whispyr the whys

[tall atlas]

is not KiR thats top is it

[balmy condor]

no clue

[tall atlas]

ok

im scared of OL chat

guy will tweet about me

[gusty mirage]

ill beat him up for you

dw

[obtuse quiver]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[nimble willow]

Dumb question here but figured I'd ask. Finished my warlock so moved onto Assassination which I picked up near the end of Dragonflight. Missing shadow dance makes sense but feels bad, I kinda liked the way you it helped keep up application of bleeds etc in AoE/cleave.

Anyway, the question. Vanish in world content drops combat, so shouldn't be used for a poor man's Shadow Dance, but is there any downside to using it in dungeons/raids etc? Is that kinda how it's meant to be used?

[west crown]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[golden loom]

So I am not too familiar with the "meta" for the catalyst, in case I get a piece of tier then this would be good to use the catalyst on right?

[balmy condor]

vanish is rotational for stealth effects during cooldowns yes

[west crown]

Depends on what tier you already have. Probably save catalysts until you can make 4 piece

[eager tree]

youll end up with more catalyst charges than gear. doing a chest is fine but id recommend waiting til vault in case you get a chest piece there.

[little tulip]

did an lfr raid a few days ago and it's so eugh

[thorn slate]

is there an addon that alerts you if you're missing rupture/garrot? im just spamming tab atm

[nimble willow]

Just not in world content where you're the only one with Aggro

[little tulip]

maybe a weakaura for dots can help but using plater helps a lot too

[balmy condor]

vanish gives you a bit of a grace period before the mob resets

[west crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

[whole sand]

i gave up on that shit yesterday

[little tulip]

i got two (2) m0 daggers today

[whole sand]

raids are done, i'll farm it on tuesday

[little tulip]

im gonna get into so many m1's

[novel star]

my guild raids in like 5 hours

[whole sand]

rip

[novel star]

er the guild im trialing for or whatever

[little tulip]

finna make a mythic guild frien invite look

[novel star]

but yea

last day chance to get those bangers

hc skardyns it is

[little tulip]

[whole sand]

trinkets aren't real anyway

[west crown]

Just capes

[whole sand]

you press deathmark and sometimes more things happen

sometimes they don't

[tacit wedge]

lovely, all my abilities got removed from my bars

[urban trench]

why do sims Tea first half of KB but not second?

[whole sand]

we tea for energy now

[faint path]

I hope they nerf arcane mage so much...

[balmy condor]

cause tea logic is not attached to KB at all

[little tulip]

mastery affects bleeds i think

[balmy condor]

it does

[spiral steeple]

do we craft item (m+) as crit/mastery or haste/mastery since we already get crit from effect and stats are all fairly similar weight ?

[novel star]

whatever sims better

[thorn slate]

aa whispyr plater works

sick

[spiral steeple]

yeah well id rather not recraft every time i change a piece of gear :)

[novel star]

sim dslice with multiple stat combos and pick the one with the biggest number

you dont have to

but youre crafting the item now to use it now

and you have the stats you have now

and it'll be similar anyway

[nimble willow]

Huh, in my experience they just immediately run away, but this is why I'm checking, probably missing something or I'm just not fast enough

[novel star]

so why not optimize it for now

you cant know what drops youre going to get in the future

[spiral steeple]

becouse now its not even gonna last one day lol

[balmy condor]

not fast enough

[novel star]

maybe you get another drop that makes whatever you simmed even better than it already is

just sim it

lol

[maiden linden]

nice drops, i'm the only rogue in raid btw

[whole sand]

yo what that mage doing

[novel star]

how do you know that?

maybe tomorrow you drop a bunch of dupes or nothing that changes the simmed craft to be worse

[spiral steeple]

becouse tomorrow its a new reset and i still got hc to run

[novel star]

just sim it 🙃

JUST SIM IT

SIM

SIMULATE

LMFAO

[balmy condor]

brother if you give that much of a shit to recraft for like 150 dps you should just craft each 6 times

[little tulip]

it still feels bad pulling lfr players into normals only 1/9 or whatever on the raid

[novel star]

YOU COULD HAVE ALREADY SIMMED IT AND GOT IT CRAFTED BY NOW INSTEAD OF TYPING ABOUT IT BECAUSE UR WORRIED TOMORROWS DROP WILL MAKE IT 0.1% WORSE INSTEAD OF 0.1% BETTER

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[obtuse quiver]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spiral steeple]

i dont thats why im asking which one is the best in the long run lol

[whole sand]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[whole sand]

there

[little tulip]

but eugh, they're so eugh

[whole sand]

its over

[balmy condor]

legit no one can answer that

[novel star]

there is no possible way to predict what will be best in the long run because drops are random!

[unreal fern]

Guys any idea if sin will be good this raid? Looks like others specs are better atm?

[spiral steeple]

i mean there must be a bis set we are aiming for, what are the best stats in that profile ?

[novel star]

aint

no

way

[whole sand]

looool

[balmy condor]

oh my fucking god

just craft crit mast and get out of here

[novel star]

you could have fucking crafted it twice by now dude

HHAHAHAH

[spiral steeple]

i know we wont ever get bis but u can usually get pretty close by end of season

[novel star]

youre pissing your pants over 0.1% diff between the missives

just sim itttttttttt

holy shit

[spiral steeple]

ty <3

[little tulip]

hee hoo

[novel star]

LOLLLL

[balmy condor]

don't thank me

[novel star]

THAST THE ANSWER THAT WORKS

[balmy condor]

please

[novel star]

IM GONNA DO SOMETHING

BAD

IM SERIOUS

something permanent.

[balmy condor]

I actually do not want it for that answer

[whole sand]

this is why wowhead pays him the big bucks

[balmy condor]

need to take a shower after that one

[novel star]

my bad bro. let me fucking peer into my orb

and tell you

what stats will drop tomorrow

XD

[quartz cloak]

You guys are hilarious 😂

[novel star]

er is fixed if thats what ur lookin commands for

take resounding and 1/2 lethality

[tawny geyser]

Which trinkets from the raid are considered good atm?

[spiral steeple]

just sim it xd

thats the answer u wanna hear isnt it :) ?

[novel star]

actually trinkets are a little more set in stone and u could get a good answer by looking at the guide (:

[balmy condor]

if the guy comes back in december asking why haste/mast sims higher for him I'm going to piss myself laughing

[normal mist]

i just dropped the last boss trinket

And shit does good dmg

[tawny geyser]

I just need to give the list to my guild leader, dont care about normal loot...

[novel star]

but stay assmad if you want bro

idc

[torpid schooner]

What shold be my top damage at the end of a dungeon

[tawny geyser]

I'm farming Sacbrood anyway and Spyglass

[rotund oak]

Joke's on you,im playing vers/mast 😂

[little tulip]

i can't even get the blue pants from ara kara 1st

[covert hazel]

Shoudl I be assigning bran as healer/tank/dps, and what abilities should I be giving him?

[normal mist]

Whispyr, the madqueen trinket whatever, Meh because of the cast time correct?

[little tulip]

feels bad man

[quartz cloak]

Haha same, but I good trinket 2 times

[balmy condor]

nah it's pretty good

[little tulip]

tier 7 he's really better as a healer imo

[cursive frost]

How bad is writhing/ascension in dungeons?

[left sundial]

cold blood envenom macro doesnt works

[normal mist]

I just critted for 7M with it, shit is crazy, like a beacon S2

[covert hazel]

Thanks for the tip

[spiral steeple]

xd im not that dumb, i was just asking if anyone had already looked at the gear/jewellery that is available to drop in the current season and if given that it makes more sense to craft crit (since maybe available gear is already haste heavy) or crit

[little tulip]

tier 8 you might wanna !delve and 1/1/1 cause bliz tweaked it to not be easy

[wary herald]

What to craft

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

dropping combat resets the stats so it's pretty bad

[wary herald]

❤️

[novel star]

copy dis

[covert hazel]

any particular abilities i should give him?

[novel star]

it works fine

[spiral steeple]

guess u guys dont like to think like that and just craft whatever since difference is negligible

[balmy condor]

I mean respectfully, you sound pretty dumb

[novel star]

oooooo he still mad

ooooooooooooooo

bigmad

[lime crypt]

so in st, do we FoK for clear of witnesses?

[royal lantern]

just craft without a missive and call it a day cus thats how much it matters for assa lol

[normal mist]

not with VV talented

[novel star]

yes, unless you have vicious venoms talented

[whole sand]

the guy you're talking to is paid to do that for wowhead and he gave you his advice

[little tulip]

taunt, relic of ulduar, movement speed+haste in combat worked for me but i have a bunch of cavedwellers delight etc

[lime crypt]

ah thats why it doesnt show it anymore

i have vicious venoms

[river spindle]

Yeah im not playing outlaw in raid, its aids

[covert hazel]

Thanks for the help man

[spiral steeple]

nah he didnt, he just trying to boost his ego lol

[novel star]

he literally did?

[balmy condor]

like you can't say "xd im not that dumb" and follow it up with some weird headcanon about people doing some insane bis list analysis

[novel star]

he agreed you should sim it

[spiral steeple]

yeah bro thats the dumbest answer ever and not what i asked

[normal mist]

Oli did you bring popcorn today?

[spiral steeple]

but i guess u just dont get it

[normal mist]

Damn

[novel star]

well thats literally the only answer you will ever get for the rest of your life playing assassination

[normal mist]

Dumbest answer

[balmy condor]

??????????

[novel star]

unless something major happens that changes how we look at stats

but right now you have to sim everything because there is no simple shortcut

[balmy condor]

dumbest answer after tripling down on bis lists is crazy

[little tulip]

wrangling W's is honest work

[novel star]

i guess predicting the future is smart asf tho

[spiral steeple]

that the only answer ever u will get for every spec in the game bro

[balmy condor]

yes

[normal mist]

Then you know whats up

[balmy condor]

cause it's accurate

[spiral steeple]

but sadly i cant sim every fucking gear combination

[normal mist]

lol

You sim whatever items you get

[novel star]

well you can though. all you have to do is take the item you want to craft and sim it with the different missives?

[normal mist]

thats just it

[royal lantern]

can confirm, i do it every day

my vision tells me that im gonna wake up at 7AM and go to work for 8 hours

[balmy condor]

that's what your fucking question requires mate are you dense

you're asking about the differences of less than 0.1%

[novel star]

i know your issue is you're trying to predict the future and say drops tomorrow will change the stat priotity. but why are you doing that?

[balmy condor]

and expecting some cosmic technology

[spiral steeple]

i know its accurate but there exist a nice thing called statistics that can help u know if we are going to be more likely to miss haster or crit

[balmy condor]

to just fall into your lap

[spiral steeple]

but agian i guess u just dont get it

[tacit wedge]

man, i should be doing m0 and delves for a better dagger, but this is absolute cinema

[balmy condor]

💀

you cannot be this stupid

you're trolling me

[novel star]

okay but why are you trying to predict the items you'll drop tomorrow

[whole sand]

gang i found the problem

[normal mist]

OH

[novel star]

OHHHHHHHHH!!!! okayyyy!!!

[normal mist]

theres the problem

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[novel star]

you need more crit because its m+ because you fan of knives hahahahhahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahaha

fuck me

why didnt i think of that

[balmy condor]

my stats professor is killing himself reading this

[novel star]

HAHAH

[strange python]

/wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spiral steeple]

yeah bro right? becouse i totally said something dumb xd

[balmy condor]

you've said nothing but dumb shit for the last 15 minutes

[little tulip]

i haven't tested it today but um how do you get the black blood to unroot you on ara kara last

[novel star]

atp i think ur baiting but genuinely you said one of the dumbest things you can ever say

[tacit wedge]

Whispyr what's the pawn string pls

[little tulip]

im gonna try blind but i feel like i need gouge

[novel star]

have u heard of the gamblers fallacy my brotha

[spiral steeple]

not like theoretically u can sim all gear permutations and check if its more likely that we want crit or haste on gear

[novel star]

ur trying to predict coinflips right now

[spiral steeple]

yeah bro becouse its not fucking 50/50

[novel star]

you have no possible way to predict if an item will or will not drop tomorrow

[normal mist]

@wary herald dat was fast

[novel star]

eXACTLY ITS EVEN WORSEEEEEEEEE

[wary herald]

it was yup

[novel star]

ITS WAY WORSE THAN 50/50 IF AN ITEM WILL DROP THAT CHANGES IT

XD

[balmy condor]

you are not a real person right?

[young dust]

Folks, just killed HC ansurek...every time the boss pulls you feint works!

[spiral steeple]

yeah yeah whatever

[novel star]

the only thing you have to do is sim your current gear with one new item. that's it.

[balmy condor]

no like

[novel star]

you arent crafting 2 items

or 3

or 4

[balmy condor]

if you're real

[novel star]

youre crafting one item

so you sim

[balmy condor]

I want you to think for like 3 seconds

[novel star]

one item

[nimble willow]

It's a blizzard bot. Sent here to sow dissension so we don't unionise and burn their house down after no rogue changes

[normal mist]

The main problem in this channel is people understanding that our spec does not care about stats. Anything you get, you sim and raidbots will tell you if it is good or not.

[little tulip]

crit/haste

[balmy condor]

we have gear, crit and mastery are the two highest stats

[spiral steeple]

thats it for every fucking spec in the game xd

[normal mist]

Thats exactly it

[novel star]

i mean even specs that do have really important stat prios still sim shit regardless

[whole sand]

[balmy condor]

what do you think your little math problem is going to say

[novel star]

so why dont you want to play the game and sim your items like everyone else does

[shy pecan]

[nimble willow]

It seems like you're after one specific answer. And everyone giving you not that answer is wrong

[novel star]

if you dont care enough to sim your items you dont care about having good ones, clearly

[little tulip]

sophic writ is viable in m0 conditions

[novel star]

so just craft fucking whatever and deal with being 0.1% suboptimal

[nimble willow]

You don't want the actual answer, you want confirmation

[normal mist]

"our spec does not care about stats" this part is important

[spiral steeple]

so dont sim it, just equip higher itmlvl

[unkempt sapphire]

Just craft crit mastery because you’re gonna get random gear over the next few weeks and your stats will be average and won’t lean anywhere in specific so crit and mastery won’t hit any kind of diminishing return

[normal mist]

thats what we mainly do

LOL

[nimble willow]

Am I being dumb here

[spiral steeple]

yeah thats the point, this isnt true

[balmy condor]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[novel star]

you can look at the "stat prio" for sin and see vers is the lowest prio stat. then i can sim gems and see vers gem giving me a 0.1% higher increase than haste, so i put in the vers gem

[spiral steeple]

this depends on the gear available in the loot table

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[novel star]

its that simple man

[tacit wedge]

more stats>>>

[nimble willow]

You're worried about this week outdoing your gear or whatever

[spiral steeple]

which may lean more towards one specific stat

[sullen hearth]

LMAO

[normal mist]

Eruun gets it

[nimble willow]

Why not just

Idk

Wait?

[whole sand]

that's it im going sub

[novel star]

No it does not. because you aren't crafting for the future. you're crafting for right now

[nimble willow]

Am I on crazy pills?

[normal mist]

We all are

[nimble willow]

If you're so worried? Just? Wait?

[balmy condor]

no this dude is just dumb as bricks

[wary herald]

Am i cooked if i just craft 616 dagger

[nimble willow]

Like?

[sullen hearth]

just sim the gear

[balmy condor]

no, that's graet

[sullen hearth]

sim

[tacit wedge]

i mean, i love agility, more than crit or anything, probably because EVERYTHING scales with agility

[novel star]

youre using the current gear that you are crafting, so you can run content, so you have a CHANCE at getting gear that might swing the craft stats in EITHER DIRECTION!!

and youre FREAKING OUT ABOUT IT

LMFAO

[wary herald]

amazing, cya, enjoy this progressive convo

[balmy condor]

Im fucking back off I can't anymore

[normal mist]

I crafted all my gear without missives hehe

[tacit wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

[spiral steeple]

the fact that it can swing in both directions doesnt mean that both are equally likely

[novel star]

why do you care

[little tulip]

it is crazy that m0 vers+not mastery rings are upgrades over heroic rings

[subtle tundra]

goated

[normal mist]

[whole sand]

did you already spend a bunch of money on the craft and are now worried you put the wrong missive in??

and came here to double check

[midnight phoenix]

Random is it possible to solo Amidrissil?

[normal mist]

Not yet

[spiral steeple]

nah didnt craft shit yet, just wanted to know if someone had already tought about that and checked

[nimble willow]

Not with that attitude

[normal mist]

lolol

[novel star]

it might be 10% more likely that you'll drop a piece that makes your craft 0.1% (zero point one percent) (not 0.2%) and youd still be a fucking idiot for trying to predict it because what if you roll the 40% that makes it 0.1 better

[nimble willow]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-maximum-effort-deadpool-movie-wade-wilson-ryan-reynolds-gif-127326952416448568

[midnight phoenix]

I need DF hc leather haha only way is Amid right

[balmy condor]

I can guarantee you that you are the only person on this earth that has ever had your thought

[whole sand]

we thought about it so hard there's a software that actually does it for you, its crazy

[normal mist]

for S3 gear? yeah i believe thats the case

[tacit wedge]

Asking a unrelated question to distract everyone
what's the reset timer on bountiful delves? mommy needs her dagger and m0s were not nice to me

[nimble willow]

Never before seen, scientists already writing papers

[midnight phoenix]

Fair play

[balmy condor]

daily reset

[novel star]

funniest msggive ever seenkbasjkghsak

[tacit wedge]

ty

[west crown]

Cc the slime or kill it

[nimble willow]

There's nothing new under the sun, other than @spiral steeple

[normal mist]

let me check. You EU?

[spiral steeple]

nah bro, played 10 classes and that was a thing for every spec on every season since crafted gear with missives was a thing

[novel star]

kidney/cheap/blind/vanish(i think) all work

[tacit wedge]

yes, but Whispyr already answered, tomorrow at 6AM

[little tulip]

i tried kidney and it wouldn't let me go, not sure if it parried it or something though

[normal mist]

Boy is fast

[novel star]

kidney def works

[little tulip]

we literally did a learn on that boss, it does?

[whole sand]

pawn has done irreparable damage to the wow community

[novel star]

i alternate between kidney and blind on that mechanic

ye

it works 100% of the time for me

[little tulip]

cool, i'm just gonna blind it

[tacit wedge]

Hello guys, Infexious gaming here-

[balmy condor]

yeah so you're looking for crit >= mast > haste > vers

craft crit/mast and live in blissful ignorance

[normal mist]

I actually saw his videos before joining here

[novel star]

btw because i was typing about it earlier

[normal mist]

quite some years ago

[novel star]

you prolly could have simmed and found a crafter literally a dozen times if not more

by this point in the convo

[tacit wedge]

same, but i was already aware that pawn is dogshit and nothing beats topgear

[little tulip]

yeah eXPERTise

[normal mist]

Fortunately i learned that from the boys here as well

[tacit wedge]

I think i stopped being a lurker here when he dropped the "30.33% haste makes hemmorhage OP, just trust the pawnstring"

[cerulean compass]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

people wonder why I get so worked up when I'm literally screaming at people to not walk their ass into the ocean and they do it right in front of me man this discord will kill me one day

[normal mist]

While y'all fight i was killing monster in Monster Hunter

[tacit wedge]

Haha no don't kill yourself, you're too sexy

[royal lantern]

yes cus i will get you

[still tree]

you can cloak queenie's poison wave thing you bounce over in p1, right? It's just the intermission web pull you have to handle honestly?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/stabby-duck-very-mad-stabby-duck-honeyadoreyou-divya-gif-19892727

[tacit wedge]

Which one, and did he dropped his tail?

[balmy condor]

yes

[wary herald]

one last question what embel

[novel star]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spiral steeple]

just sim it :)

[wary herald]

idc enough to sim something at this point

[novel star]

no actually theres solid answers for embellishments because theyre pretty simple and set in stone just like the trinkets earlier where you also made the same unfitting joke previously

[spiral steeple]

too bad no questions or thinking here, just sim it

[novel star]

you really gotta work on the jokes man

[normal mist]

Did a 1v3 this last expedition, (was on an alt BiS gear base world) odog, kamikaze flying bigass bird and black dog (rottenvale)

[balmy condor]

calculate 1000 digts of pi by hand then since you're allergic to technology

[tacit wedge]

aaah, beatlejuice...

[opal chasm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

I'm trying to stop you from thinking because i really think you might do permanent damage to your own brain by doing it too much

[normal mist]

If i was using IG, it would have been fine. But i was having fun with LS

[silent delta]

!tier

[normal mist]

No tier

[novel star]

sorry that wasn't nice

i apologize.

[tacit wedge]

i only play gunlance unless Legiana is involved

[normal mist]

Chad player. Any player using lance or Gunlance is a fucking chad

[novel star]

thinking is awesome when you actually want to learn and take in information

[whole sand]

where's my hammer players at

[novel star]

refusing to learn and still yapping is the most fucking annoying shit anyone can do

in any context

[silent delta]

What % gains do we get from 2/4 pc tier?

[normal mist]

almost nothing

[novel star]

~1.2% each

[normal mist]

I LOVE HAMMER PLAYERS

BONK BONK BONK

[balmy condor]

I have a nail I would like to hit into my wall to hang up a picture
"okay here's a hammer"
ahhhhhhhhhh no please not a hammer anything but that! I want to know the statistical probability of this picture being hung up on my wall in 3 weeks time
"what"
society really went downhill after humans invented hammers man no one slams their fucking forehead into nails anymore I'm just asking a question

[nimble willow]

Need to work on my WAs. While I was still getting to grips with Afflock, I had a WA with green bars that counted down and decreased as DoTs were running out. I keep losing track of Assassinations DoTs

[tawdry flint]

are you guys running imp gar on silken court?

[normal mist]

I cleared normal today and didnt

just caustic

still did like 1.2M dps

[still tree]

I'm ass and want to keep vanish for when I inevitibility fuck up my mark on that fight

[tawdry flint]

ye just about to pull it on HC, tempted to not take it , rather have vanish incase i lose mark

[normal mist]

Be a man

DO IT

[novel star]

vv vanish hold on every single boss and only ever use caustic

based

[whole sand]

you vanish for damage, i vanish because i fucked up

[novel star]

we will never ever be the same

whatever i also have to take an upset shower

[arctic socket]

What do we vanish for anyways

[novel star]

gonna think about that shit all day

[nimble willow]

Any WAs that scream at you for no poisons. I keep tunnel visioning and forgetting them 🙃 have one for lock where "Where's your fren" bounces up and down in front of my eyes when my pet is gone

[novel star]

to hide from the haters

[tacit wedge]

tax evasion

The IRS will NEVER get me

[nimble willow]

Sounds real dumb, but you know

[novel star]

its so unbelievably shocking to me that wow litearlly lets you fucking simulate your gear and have a robot tell you what will be optimal with extreme accuracy

and people get mad when told to use it

that is the most broken tool ive ever heard of in my life

[tacit wedge]

you've never met Kervus clearly

[spiral steeple]

xd i love how you still think i dont wanna sim, when literally the question i asked is probably to big to sim in a reasonable time

[novel star]

the question you asked isn't possible to sim because it's braindead

[spiral steeple]

but i guess all you are able to do is blindly follow what someones else told you is right

[novel star]

and not how reality works

sry

[spiral steeple]

xd

[whole sand]

that's what you were looking for tho

someone to just tell you

[tacit wedge]

nah, i'm a free thinker

[novel star]

that's not funny thats just actually the situation?

[kind falcon]

Hi I have a question, I looked on wowhead aoe section but couldnt find a part about bleeds when the bosses have shared health (Silken Court for example). Do I want to maintain rupture on both?

[royal lantern]

im a

[tacit wedge]

are you?

[royal lantern]

ofc you want that

[spiral steeple]

yeah well maybe someone smarter and with more resources then me managed to sim that

[tacit wedge]

of course. rupture and garrote

[whole sand]

i'm hyperventilating

[novel star]

noone smarter than you can break the laws of the universe and change probability

[west crown]

Minmaxing in wow isn’t a reasonable time effort

[novel star]

unlucky

[slate crown]

what is even happening in this chat

[tacit wedge]

i swapped on my hunter because i NEED to focus on this cinema

[tacit wedge]

the zoo is unleashed

[novel star]

guy didnt want to sim what missive to put on his gear because he might get a drop tomorrow that makes the chosen missive 0.1% worse instead of 0.1% better

argument has continued for like 20+ min

[loud light]

but also didn't like the generic stat rankings either? idk

[tacit wedge]

imagine spending 8 hours to run a sim for a crafted dagger, just to be outdps'd by a bozo who just know how to press buttons

[novel star]

head slam into brick

[kind falcon]

I just thought that when they have shared health it simply wouldnt matter that much. thank you.

[still tree]

speaking of silken, how are people playing the first part of that fight? I've been putting mark on skinny, dot both, CDs on skinny, then swap to beetle after the charge and reapply mark for the vuln phase (either with vanish or DN)? But then that sometimes fucks me up for the shield, so maybe just start on beetle instead and then mark skinny during the shield part?

[nimble willow]

So I sort of understand a bit of sadness with games being "solved" before you get to them.

That said, the above.... Persistent underachiever just came here to ask people instead, which is just as bad

[hexed matrix]

ive seen interstellar. thatrs how sims work right?

[spiral steeple]

nah i did like them, but they got mad when i thanked them for that answer

[west crown]

I feel bad for the brick with this guy

[novel star]

because the answer could easily just be wrong

and your "great answer! thank you!" could be one of the suboptimal choices

[hexed matrix]

dude you l iterally insulted people for the answer. wut

[spiral steeple]

me? i never insulted anyone lmao

[hexed matrix]

i recall something about "hes just saying that for his ego"

[whole sand]

[novel star]

whispyr gave you a bullshit answer out of desperation because you were refusing to listen to the 10 minutes of real answers before it

[slate crown]

Not going to lie

I said this in dragonflight

Just pick crit mastery

if you want a lost-cost answer it's so god damn easy

It's not correct but who cares

this isn't mythic prog right now

[west crown]

Would it make sense to hold first cooldowns until first charge on silken court for damage buff?

[slate crown]

you're not in giga bis right now

[tacit wedge]

crit/mastery is the ol' reliable when you're too lazy to sim

[slate crown]

and that's fine

[spiral steeple]

yeah it would have been as easy as that

[novel star]

but he doesnt want the least bad answer he wants to know what's going to be perfectly bis optimal based on the loot pool for the season being more likely to drop items that change stat prio by 0.00000001%

[spiral steeple]

but they got too worked up with sim it rn xd

[tacit wedge]

don't you dare talk to me

[novel star]

it's very easy to give wrong answers, yeah, thats correct

good analysis

[crisp pine]

I just came back, are the rogues being toxic again?

[novel star]

maybeee >_<

[whole sand]

[crisp pine]

This is why we're the least played class guys >:c

[novel star]

fucking true actually my bad

[hexed matrix]

lmao no it is not

[still tree]

I thought about holding CDs but 1) always risks losing a use until kill times are nailed down, and 2) the shield you need to burn through is 2 minutes in anyways, so you have pretty good natural alignment for that. I could absolutely be wrong though, new to raiding in this game

[west crown]

They hate us cuz they ain’t us

[novel star]

idk i just get too upset at people for this shit

[gusty mirage]

again? when did we stop?

[crisp pine]

that's a fair point actually

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire queue the screenshot

[novel star]

very similar logical failures got me super assmad when i was locked in on league earlier this year

[hexed matrix]

i am a

[balmy condor]

aight first off you fucking crayon eater it's not as easy as that, because that wasn't your god damn question

[tacit wedge]

i'd rather, the toxicity leaked out of OT

[novel star]

okay take the torch whispyr its my turn to shower

ill be back to pick it up soon

taking turns

[proven zealot]

Does bubbling wax not work or just not show on details?

[gusty mirage]

it's not the size of your toxic blade that matters, it's how you use it 😉

[woven torrent]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[whole sand]

ohno

[west crown]

I pray for your freedom from the hell that is that game. I’m 2 years sober

[proven zealot]

nvm i used ctrl+f :)

[hexed matrix]

[heavy island]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[whole sand]

im gonna go pretend to be another spec until this blows over

[tacit wedge]

gf said it's average sized :(

[balmy condor]

you asked a very specific question about what the best stats are long term probability with the loot table something nonsense brainrot

[gusty mirage]

you're huge in my eyes and heart, and if you play your cards right my hands

[balmy condor]

if you just wanted to know what missive to use

you could just open a guide

and then go to the crafted gear section

in big bold

and seen "ah, crit mast"

or open the stats page

[hexed matrix]

my tiny toxic blade is now sanguine

[balmy condor]

and go "ah crit mast two highest, me craft"

but no

that's not what your damn question was

[warped jackal]

Guys what spec is the best for mythic + for rogue ?

[balmy condor]

you overcomplicated it and then weren't happy when you got an overcomplicated answer back

[gusty mirage]

anything but sub rogue

[spiral steeple]

oh yeah, thats why on your guide on wowhead u suggest haste/mstery ?

xd bro

[balmy condor]

xd bro

I suggest crafting crit/mast

you looked at a bis list

for 2 seconds

and say haste mast

and decided to ape out

cause ooooo shiny bis list

[heavy island]

Go off king

[spiral steeple]

i look at bis list and got a legit doubt yeah

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's dumb as shit

cause you don't understand how bis lists works

here's a command

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[spiral steeple]

come here to ask for some clarification but i guess u re to full of yourself to explain that and just want people to follow you blindly

[hexed matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[crisp pine]

bahaha

[tacit wedge]

[balmy condor]

I literally explain all of my answers you just refuse to listen to anything

[heavy island]

Brother came to the rogue discord expecting us to hold his hand

[royal lantern]

mate im honest

just ignore it

its gotta be bait at this point

[hexed matrix]

im enjoying this

at whispyrs expense

[west crown]

You don’t trust the experts in their field?

[spiral steeple]

i trust proofs lol

[balmy condor]

you literally won't sim

[hexed matrix]

BRO LMAO

[gusty mirage]

me the last 4 years in here

[crisp pine]

I'll follow whispyr wherever he leads me

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-monkey-gorilla-ape-hug-gif-14004263079835426812

[spiral steeple]

you would go crazy if you knew how many times experts say dumb shit

[royal lantern]

oxi spotted

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I'm handing you the tool to prove it for your own character, the most accurate thing you could do for your character, I'm on my knees begging you to use the tool so you can find the answer

[crisp pine]

so that's what happened to you

[balmy condor]

and you refuse

what the fuck do you want me to do

[gusty mirage]

its okay I'll disappear to get milk again in about an hour and disappear again for a week or two

[tacit wedge]

man I didn't left IT support to find the same kind of apes on Discord

[royal lantern]

be happy, we are busy fighting the WA boss on heroic

[tired gull]

Whispyr can I use your tool

[west crown]

But they are right most of the time. But at this point you aren’t doubting him, you are doubting us all

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/gorila-ligón-gif-15180072019903262289

[west crown]

There is a reason we all laughing rn

Or frustrated

[spiral steeple]

well sorry but its quite clear that 90% of this discord just blindly follow that whyspyr guy without understanding shit

[gusty mirage]

idk if happy the word I'd use, I haven't had a weekend to myself in like 4 months

it's fucked up