assassination

[raven egret]

Nice! Got good pieces out of em?

[still wharf]

kinda scratching my head

we had similar dmg breakdown but he just has way more, seems to be more passive use of hero talent

to my knowledge i was using 5+ cp finishers

[raven egret]

I mean did he cast more envenoms than you?

[still wharf]

but maybe not enough 7s?

[limber dew]

Anyone got a link to the trinket tuning coming Wednesday?,

[still wharf]

lemme see i dont have a grea tlog just a few hero kills but i died on the important pulls lol

[limber dew]

Nvm found something in pins

[still wharf]

details damage comp we had same breakdown of order

just he ad way more dmg

[normal mist]

Once you consume the 3 marks, you get a buff where your next 7cp envenom reapplies the mark

[still wharf]

so like 3 marks > 7cp > 3 marks

[normal mist]

Yes

It's a loop

[still wharf]

oh i was probably not weaving in 7p

and thats why i didnt get +50% envenom crits

[faint path]

I already have dawnthread embellishmentx 1x 619 1x 610 due to pvp item should I craft dagger if I can't get from weekly or raid?

[normal mist]

We only force 7cp to consume darkest night

[still wharf]

ty. im so close to all the dots connecting

[quaint knoll]

In my opener, I'm not getting my serrated bone spike combo points after casting rupture. Am I doing something wrong? Should I fill with mutilate

[normal mist]

Btw Echoing reprimand blue combo points are fixed and now count towards both the deathstalker marks and the darkest night

[raven egret]

That might or might not explain. The gap you know, context is key and it's rarely just one issue isolated

Got to review logs on your end

[normal mist]

In what boss? I know the second boss is a drag because it takes a while for the bonespike to actually hit him

[quaint knoll]

Just in all openers on whichever boss

[still wharf]

agreed, appreciate the insight. i have coasted without knowing how the spec works gearing up and heroics but now i need to have a full understanding of where my dmg comes from

cuz i cant keep up beyond a 1 min fight lol

[tardy relic]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[raven egret]

Sadge I am, only map I got from delves gave me a damn belt

[balmy vapor]

!enchants

[still wharf]

is running out of energy expected? sometimes i drop garrote without noticing but in a boss fight say 3 mins of 100% garrote rupture uptime, if u dont pool ull eventually go to 0 fast as fk right

i must be over spamming

[sick pewter]

Yes, running out of energy is a part of the playstyle

[still wharf]

yeah its actually kind of slow paced outside of opener + cds

would u say th at is accurate?

[sick pewter]

Yes. Outside burst phase you just focus on maintaining envenom and bleeds

[still wharf]

thnx. its been a while for me ive been living on classic mostly just maintaning like 1-2 buffs

i like modern rogue alot

[keen viper]

how many Tempered potions do u use during the raid fight?

[raven egret]

1 or 2 depending if the fight is longer than 5m

[lunar pond]

2 on twins for sure, long ass fight on heroic

[grim jay]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

during KB you send

like, in general

cd's = you send everything asap

outside of cd's = uptime maintenance

[keen viper]

Do u use it before pull the first one?

[raven egret]

no, always with your main CD, Deathmark

[wide ferry]

In st when you need to refresh rupture in between env chains do you guys save tea for these instances? i feel like i have 0 energy unless i save tea

[lunar pond]

On pull we hero’d pot and then second pot roughly during circles

Lines up with CD use

[raven egret]

not really, 5m pot and 2m CD means to align to DM you'd have to hold the pot for an extra minute

[lunar pond]

Basically at boss 100% and at 20ish%

[raven egret]

which is entirely feasible on some fights

but thats not them lining up naturally

[lunar pond]

Are you talking general or specifically for twins on heroic?

[raven egret]

if the boss wont live past the 5m marker, just sent it with KB

[raven egret]

doesnt matter does it, we send our CDs regardless

[lunar pond]

Idr it’s a burn phase where DM might not be up and the boss might live for to be back up. The boss takes increased damage so pouring that time with KB is better than nothing

not live*

[still wharf]

thnx

[raven egret]

Yes:

the line just above

[still wharf]

thnx

[lunar pond]

Can read good i know

[pliant falcon]

Authority of the depths + radiant is decent or do i need 2 of the same one?

[royal lantern]

makes almost 0 difference

they are very very close to eachother in general

[pliant falcon]

so 1 with 1 then

[novel star]

barely matters but enchants do stack yes

[royal lantern]

depths slightly better in ST, radiance slightly better in aoe

[novel star]

on paper you should have 2 raid optimal enchants if ur raiding and 2 m+ optimal enchants if ur doing m+ but in practice it doesnt fuckin matter lol

[pliant falcon]

both for m+ and a second weapon for x2 depths for st

eh that too but the r3 radiant costs an arm and a leg rn

[novel star]

if you want to farm 4 daggers and spend the gold on 4 enchants then sure

[pliant falcon]

and i dont have my second high ilvl dagger

[novel star]

but its not going to make a noticeable difference

[pliant falcon]

true true , now all i need is a second dagger champion+ xd

[raven egret]

They really did a number on the game's economy with those rare mats for enchants and other crafts

[pliant falcon]

They will lower the price in 2 weeks max

Since the expansion released rn everybody wants to profit

[still wharf]

whats a good env uptime?

90%?

[gusty mirage]

80%+ is good. 90% is probably super fuckin hard right now

First tier lack of stats type of deal ya know

[still wharf]

not trying to bring it up again but it really does feel like wotlk muti

bleeds and max env uptime

just need to practice energy more for kb

[gusty mirage]

2cp mutilates are pain ngl

[still wharf]

YEA

EXACTLY

i dont gain overall energy for like 20 seconds

[gusty mirage]

And this tier we’re gonna get a lot of them

[still wharf]

because i get 2 cp 3x in a row

[left sundial]

On m plus bosses we still chain envenom right?

Not spam

[gusty mirage]

It’ll get better when you’re kitted out with more gear, but next tier it’ll feel way better because we’ll just naturally have more crit cause of ilvl jump

[gusty mirage]

Ye always chain outside of CDs and spam in CDs; with some wiggle room for like damage amps and shit

[still wharf]

yea just trying to avoid sandbagging during this tier hehe

i will rise

[gusty mirage]

[errant night]

hello guys. i have a question. i have 8/8 t8 delves in my Great Vault, so i'm gonna get a 616 item. but i heard that it's possible to do 4 more delves on wednesday before opening Great Vault so it would give me a second chance to get the needed item. basically the question is: if i'm gonna complete 4 t8 bountiful delves on wednesday before opening the Great Vault will it count as complete in a new week's Great Vault?

[left sundial]

4 set tier good or god?

İ mean bonuses

[gusty mirage]

Ye if you do it after the reset it’ll count toward next weeks

[thorn crater]

!trinkets

!gear

hm

[gusty mirage]

!guides all of the guide “bis lists” should have trinket recommendations

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[thorn crater]

This thing usable? Just cause hero level?

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr’s on wowhead should be the most thorough I think

[thorn crater]

oh it son wowhead

sims show use candle for M+ at 610 but scroll of momentum at 603 for raid

interesting

guess crit more valuable for aoe and bonus dmg for ST

[wild crescent]

Hey guys is there a simple beginners guide for rogue out there just started playing assa rogue its quit overwhelming

[errant night]

great thx!

so i will be better to do 4 delves before opening GV

[still wharf]

a-z rogue guide on yt is good just search that

gets you started

[thorn crater]

are u guys farming a specific delve item?

[still wharf]

theres on for raid and m+

[lusty narwhal]

Depths and radiant is so similar for me may as well just fkn go radiance

[gusty mirage]

Ye crit shoots up in aoe cause of seal fate

[thorn crater]

still a pretty shitty item to get with my first map at 610 ngl

[gusty mirage]

Because not critting multiple casts of fan of knives is literally a crime against humanity

[wild crescent]

@still wharf The one from Whispyr?

[gusty mirage]

1cp foks

[raven egret]

No not really

[keen viper]

if i pre-pot with bl do i lose a lot of dmg?

[raven egret]

theres no reason to ever pre-pot

[thorn crater]

prepot's dead no?

[raven egret]

yeah it has been for some time

[sand frost]

hey guys do u know what item we should do as 619 as bis with embellish

[raven egret]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[still wharf]

yeah, it's good because he writes the wowhead stuff too - so you know they're based off the same source

[keen viper]

just my guild asking to prepot and i was wondering after i read the guids for rogue thank you

[still wharf]

sometimes you'll jump from diff sources and get conflicting info, so this isn't the case

[novel star]

your guild must have skipped the last like 4 years of the game

since pre potting was taken out

[raven egret]

Your guild needs to come out of the 2010s

[novel star]

it was last a thing in bfa right ?

or am i wrong

[worldly sail]

ive seen people call battlepots prepots

[raven egret]

something like that cant remember, its deadge thought

[novel star]

you definitely want a potion

but you drink it with cds

[keen viper]

alrightyyy

[shadow tulip]

Since the change to put it on 5min cd, you don't prepot.

[sand frost]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[proud mason]

Just did like 10 delves T8 then one of each 9 - 10 - 11 and didn't get a bounty map

Abyss 11 is soloable too without killing a single mob (except boss)

don't really think it's a viable farm but who knows the odds of getting a bounty map

[split jewel]

which rogue spec has an easier time in solo delves

[keen viper]

Thank you for all the help guys

[proud mason]

I'd say sin, indiscriminate carnage > garrote + rupture a whole pack then dip and let bran kill the rest

[split jewel]

Thanks

[thorn crater]

outlaw just has 1 hour tricks

same with sub

he can tank everything for you

its a trickster talent

u use it once at the beginning and then u dont worry about it for the rest

bran heals himself

[bronze flicker]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hidden herald]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[ocean ferry]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[finite gazelle]

Do we go faithbound in raids?

[strange python]

If you‘re faithbound ur probably a paladin

[wooden latch]

Hey guys quick question! Does the sacbrood trinket just not do well in sims? I have a few trinkets that sim higher, but warcraft logs & archon show this as the most popular trinket

[strange python]

Are your other trinkets from bountiful delves and higher item level?

That might answer your question

[wooden latch]

the other is a 606 flayed toxin

[nova aspen]

both hero talents are good

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[wooden latch]

misunderstood, im tryna sim a signet of the priory

[ocean ferry]

If I’m at 5 targets should I spread garrote on more than 1? (Outside of indiscriminated carnage) or just spread on 1 cause I gonna aim for 5 ruptures anyway?

[past forum]

Idk if it’s just a me thing or a krill issue but i’ve been having a lot of bugs with mobs interacting weirdly with tricks on brann. Sometimes they’ll have threat on him but attack me, sometimes he’ll never get threat, sometimes they evade bug out for no reason. In general trickster brann is OP but it’s also caused me some tragic situations that almost bricked my run

[strange python]

5 targets you send on one target

Smart targeting does the rest

[royal lantern]

not really anymore

they did a hotfix and brann just dies instantly now lol

[autumn grotto]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[low kernel]

Should we follow the usual pooling rules even if we are running Sanguine Blades?

[still wharf]

in terms of tracking info i think i have the most important stuff in a wa: gar rup snd deathmark kb envenom... am i missing anything important for dmg

i think those are the biggest contributors

[novel star]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[keen viper]

Is there any wa to track tempered potion cd?

[clear nexus]

i fucking made it

[frosty shard]

hey was singular focus always 5% ? or am I crazy thinking it was 10 at some point (maybe beta or something)?

[clear nexus]

did a t8 delve

[surreal wedge]

with what spell I can macro Cold Blood ?

[novel star]

envenom

but to minmax avoid pressing it before or immediately after deathmark

[icy osprey]

damn, im stuck on 965

[ocean ferry]

Why do we try to stay below 50% energy as deathstalker?

[stark kraken]

read the whole thing

[raven egret]

Because that means more finishers, more envenoms, which fuels Deathstalker

[novel star]

(due to sanguine blades)

[jovial adder]

What % is our 2 and 4 set worth?

[still stone]

i got 2 tier pieces this week, 1 token and heroic shoulders so im in good shape for reset 😄

[novel star]

~1.2% each

not much

[manic quartz]

Thoughts about the scroll of momentum ? my sim says it goes ahead of 606 spyglass at 603 😮

[novel star]

it seems alright

delve piece means no myth track and it encourages you to press sprint/step for dps which is cringe

[manic quartz]

does sprint actually help? 😄

[novel star]

but its good

[novel star]

ye

[manic quartz]

my current top trinkets are Honey buzzard and scroll of momemtum fml

[novel star]

then use em ig

:p

prolly want a weakaura for momenutm tho

[manic quartz]

already did it

[waxen crescent]

!trinket

!trinkets

[faint path]

dont believe sim about trinkets

[manic quartz]

im just gonna run double passive lmao

[ornate umbra]

I'm trying to make a heroic grade dagger, which dagger would be the best?

[novel star]

the one that gives agility

just the normal one

dont get baited by the one with a proc on it it sucks

[faint path]

is it even good option to craft a dagger?

[novel star]

well

yes?

main hand ilvl is like your most important upgrade possible

why wouldnt it be good

[still wharf]

me again. i have a log - can someone confirm what im seeing here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/TfgQKFAzpj6aGnVH/self#fight=8,8&source=7,149&type=damage-done

many less deathstalker marks = way lower avg envenom cast dmg
better use of combo points and hero talents
better use of kingsbane and # of uses (big)
rest will kind of fix itself,
better passive dmg from everything

finally if i sim 650k unbuffed on 5 mins, i should be aiming for 550-600k in raid?

[ornate umbra]

I'm not good at English, so I'll ask you one more time. Is it better to add the ascending option to Everforged Stabber than Siphoning Stiletto?

[empty viper]

i think you cant add it to siphoning stiletto

it already has an effect , no?

[novel star]

yes, stiletto is bad

[ornate umbra]

ye

[robust viper]

!delve

[prisma monolith]

Soloing Delves is really hard currently. Some solutions:

• Do them with a tank+healer in a 3 man. This seems to be lenient on scaling
• Go outlaw/subtlety with trickster, take the 1 hour tricks of the trade talent, cast tricks on brann (I personally put brann on my focus and use /cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade)
• For objective/pickup object based delves, you can sap/aoe blind, pick up the item, then vanish. This is slow but will get the job done most of the time
• Put Netflix on your second monitor or something while you wait for your 2min cooldowns to come back up so you can pull another 3 pack of mobs, 2 of which are sapped/blinded, you’re in for a long delve

[faint path]

becasue heroic level dagger is has bigger ilvl than craft isnt it?

[novel star]

well yeah

but the idea is you craft a dagger so you dont have to hope you get lucky on a drop lol

or after already getting unlucky

[grim jay]

There is no known reason to not believe them

[novel star]

^

scroll of momentum was previously simming really low because it wasnt working

but its updated now to actually sim it and i think also sprint for it?

[grim jay]

Idk. Didnt check because I luckily dont have it

[novel star]

at least i think people in the outlaw channel were saying their sims sprint 4 it so id imagine ours does too

[grim jay]

Outlaws

[novel star]

[late whale]

are we using 2/2 lethality talent instead of resounding clarity because of the deathstalker's mark bug where it doesnt consume a mark stack with our ER charges ?

[novel star]

fuckin pirates

[novel star]

No. the bug is fixed. look at pins

[royal lantern]

bug is fixed

[novel star]

resounding clarity is good now

[late whale]

oh shit gotta test that

[novel star]

yep

it feels rly nice :D

[slim sable]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[zenith coral]

Sorry if it’s been answered already, but it’s deathstalker w resounding now for raid?

Since bug fix?

[novel star]

look at the conversation that literally just happened

like even on mobile it’s gotta be on the screen still

(yes)

[faint path]

any talent recom after fix ? for m+

[zenith coral]

Ngl saw stuff ab outlaw and just started typing lol, ty

[novel star]

[late whale]

actually feels nice now with ER working as intended

[novel star]

pins have sims for raid and like 6 different m+ builds

[novel star]

yeh

i was a deathstalker doubter but it’s cool now

[little tulip]

got a m0 dagger today

mists of tirna scithe scary though

anyway has anyone else tried this trinket? it's not that bad since nothing else has dropped

[distant plinth]

Can confirm there is no weekly cap on delve bounty maps

I just got my 4th map

[strange python]

not sure if or

[young dust]

how y'all doing on heroic ansurek?

[little tulip]

also servers are back

[young dust]

suffering here

[little tulip]

join us

[subtle tundra]

on use is close to mandatory on assa

[young dust]

silken court was 2 pulls and ansurek 30 pulls still on p1

[strange python]

so these do look kinda hot i guess

[distant plinth]

Sim it

[young dust]

im running this as well

[subtle tundra]

dont need to sim
you play on use

[rose sun]

Hmm my assassination spec out performs my sub spec on the target dummy. By a good margin

[dry nova]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[strange python]

on use grim batol + sacbrood its 5k dps more

[novel star]

then use that

[grim jay]

pfff

grim batol

only candlestick enjoyers are the real goats

[spice spire]

Buddy I’ll make you enjoy a candlestick

[grim jay]

candlestick or magic stick?

[magic shore]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[faint path]

I never seen people getting grim batol first boss trinket or spyglass

how tf am I gonna get those mfs 😄

[strange python]

is it right that the wowhead per boss guides for nerubar palace drop improved garrotte on some fights?

[crystal delta]

quick question - im trying to farm this

but using pick pocketing on the mobs highlighted on wowhead doesnt work somehow

[acoustic roost]

did you do the quest?

[crystal delta]

what quest 😄

ah found it in the comments 😄

would you say its worth it since the weatstones are so insanely expensive?

[spice spire]

It did not proc a ton in raid

[arctic cove]

has anyone made champion gear into tier pieces? or are people waiting for higher ilvl gear

[spice spire]

Ngl to you big dog

[grim jay]

yes

[acoustic roost]

it's a little buggy. at least the beginning of the raid week, not sure the proc rate if they fixed it

sim with 2x Algari oil. for me it's about 3k dps off of whetstone but waaaaaaaaaay cheaper

[arctic cove]

algari mana oil?

[acoustic roost]

no the wax

[hollow stone]

theyre buffing whetstone amounts on reset too so that should help prices

[low kernel]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[thorn crater]

btw

trinkets will get updated on weekly reset?

with buffs/nerfs?

[arctic cove]

is champion gear worth catalysting for set piece?

[zealous wolf]

Is Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife bis for us? It sims highest for me (with skardyns)

[kindred abyss]

is there a quick way to simm all the single target spec options for assa somewhere?

[acoustic roost]

no

[magic shore]

!talents

[arctic cove]

so if 606 is bad, at what ilvl is it worth turning

[acoustic roost]

at minimum hero track gear

[quaint dragon]

guys what happens when we have Darkest Night and deathstalk mark on enemy and use max cp envenom? they both work?

[visual bison]

Is any one having any luck doing Tier 8 Delves today and if so how? (Solo, Duo w/ tank/healer, 5 man)

[magic shore]

i got very unlucky with daggers so far, am 8/8 N and 4/8 H, cant do more than 600k in brootwister, should i craft some with sparks?

still learning sin rogue, i suppose 600k is way too low for 602 ilvl?

[arctic cove]

hmm, i see, ty, gotta grind them +7 keys then

[zealous wolf]

Duo with tank is easy

[zealous wolf]

You cant consume marks if you have dn

[grim jay]

solo, playing sub trickster with 1h tricks

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grim jay]

can also do 1 bg win

and craft 610 dagger

[novel star]

^ i did this

guild raids weekends so i just like

made ascension/wrist combo with the free pvp thing

[thorn crater]

whats the free pvp thing?

[jagged wasp]

hi guys which options should i use to have a good preview for dungeon sim on raidbots

[left flare]

Hi mb anybody know why this macros not cast Deathmark only cast trinket Skardyn's Grace
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/cast Deathmark

[novel star]

there’s a quest to win 1 epic bg for 9 of the like pvp spark equivalent

[grim jay]

dungeonslice and only bloodlust

[novel star]

near dummies in dornogal

5 of them makes 610pve/639pvp 1h wep

[magic shore]

!enchantmeent

._.

[novel star]

3 for wrists

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

duh

[novel star]

go to the consumables section

[magic shore]

what is bg win?

[grim jay]

winning a battleground

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

battlegrounds, the pvp mode

[magic shore]

is this a quest from the npc near the dummies?

[thorn crater]

uhm i dont have that

i got one for arenas one for epic bgs

[magic shore]

so you recommend do that, get the 610, than craft the other with spark?

[thorn crater]

and one for WM on

[novel star]

epic bg is the one lol u just queue for it

[magic shore]

i simmed, raibots can do 763k with buffs, im doing 720k on dummy with nothing, so i guess its an equipment limit

[novel star]

if you’re going to use spark anyway then spark a dagger probably

[thorn crater]

oh not quest

the bonus u mean

for the win

[sour mist]

we only have 1 spark available rn right?

[grim jay]

2

[novel star]

2

[sour mist]

wtf

[magic shore]

yeah but i need 2 daggers

[novel star]

no you don’t

off hand item level sucks

[magic shore]

i have 2 590, they are my lowest ilvl

ok

[novel star]

offhand weapon dps barely does anything

[magic shore]

im new so im not that good at crafting
i get the upgraded crest thing still for that?

[sour mist]

what am i missing to only have a shard rn?

[magic shore]

theres a quest

you give 1 shard he gives you back 2

in donogal, center of the city, on the bottom of a tower near the mining npcs i think

[sage tapir]

in general is fatebound better at ST ?

[novel star]

if you wanna get a good mainhand then yeh using the hc raid crests on it is good prolly

[sour mist]

ok

ty

[novel star]

depends on your stats

in bis fatebound is ahead

but there’s different bis gear for each hero spec and you have the full list for neither of them

so just sim it

[sage tapir]

alright thx

[novel star]

they’re always p close together tho

like super bis fb is simming ~2% ahead

and right now my character sims ds ahead by like 2% flat so

[dusty skiff]

!wa

[novel star]

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[outer marten]

Is anyone else having issues with Deathmark not applying? Have tested it 6 times now in a delve, and it's not going on any target. I've switched talents, switched hero talents, nothing

[faint path]

Guys should I craft dagger or should I wait until reset I have 606 and 590 weapon 😄

[novel star]

no

been fine for me

[novel star]

probably wait

606 isn’t terrible and the offhand doesn’t matter

[limber abyss]

whats the deal with assa on queen?

how come its the go to

[faint path]

ye if I can't get dagger from vault I'm just gonna craft

[novel star]

mhm

gl

[pastel pine]

Have you guys hard more luck with Hybrid build or full aoe in the m0's so far?

[novel star]

[novel star]

hybrid better than bleed already in my experience

[pastel pine]

that is how I felt also but didn't know if it was just luck of the runs

[outer marten]

Hmm...Gonna relog and see if that fixes it

[acoustic roost]

are you pressing ambush from stealth?

[novel star]

things can survive for a kingsbane or at least most of it if there’s a big mob in the pack

[outer marten]

100%

[novel star]

ye idk i haven’t had issues at all with dsm not applying on opener

[true shadow]

Vicious Venom builds dont have Improved Garrote do they? or is this if you're taking 1 point VV, 1 point to Improved Garrote?

[pastel pine]

I had issues at the start because I was confusing my ambush with my mutilate button that I was used to pushing thanks to blindside talent

[novel star]

yeh

[acoustic roost]

9/10 people that had problems on here with applying dsm on opener were pressing mutliate XD

[hot pasture]

im so bad at single target with rogue

[novel star]

are you mashing envenom or playing for pandemic refresh on the buff

[outer marten]

I don't even have Mut on my stealth bar, it's Ambush

I've literally never had a problem until now. Only thing I've changed is using a crafted dagger with embellishment that I got this morning

[novel star]

would need to see logs or like a video of it happening

cause idk

[true shadow]

why wouldnt mut be changing to ambush for some people? it's automatic no?

[outer marten]

Relog didn't fix it either

[novel star]

no one else has ever reported dsm just not applying at all when pressing ambush

r you like on fatebound tree

or something

[vapid terrace]

Are you the right spec

[acoustic roost]

it doesnt change on the stealth bar. if you put mutilate on stealth bar it stays mutilate

[outer marten]

Let me see if I can get a video

[magic shore]

simmed with crafted dagger, raidbots goes up to 790k, 3,4% increase, its not enough still

[sterile violet]

should i max Regicide to 8 ? main hand

[magic shore]

maybe at this point im just not enough for ST raid damage idk

[novel star]

if it’s the best thing you have then yeah

main hand ilvl is generally your most important upgrade always

[faint path]

ofc

[sterile violet]

thanks

[novel star]

usually only shit that could be a bigger upgrade than mh would be like an insane trinket or something

but

just crank mh ilvl lol ull be fine

[devout fiber]

So for Delves/M0's should we be using Bleed build or Hybrid?

[left sundial]

!kingsbane

[outer marten]

...nevermind, I'm just a fucking moron. Appearantly if you have made a change to talents and forgot to hit "Accept Changes" button, shit stops working

Even though all I did was get Tricks for my delves >.>

[novel star]

lmao

[tired gull]

I just use hybrid it does plenty of aoe and keeps decent st

[novel star]

it’s alright the hero talents saving is a little janky

had some issues with it too occasionally

[outer marten]

That's so weird. I've never even selected Fatebound, haven't touched it as Sin yet

[left flare]

Hi mb anybody know why this macros not cast Deathmark only cast trinket Skardyn's Grace
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/cast Deathmark

[outer marten]

reverse the order

Spells always first, then items

[devout fiber]

so Hybrid for Lower levelled content such as Delves+ low mythics and Bleed for higher mythics?

[alpine garden]

Which weapon enchant is best for us?

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[tiny leaf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[left flare]

ty

[eager tree]

do poison debuffs on the enemy have a different spell id than the spell in our book? tryna blacklist some of the poisons so my nameplates aren't overloaded and it's not working

[amber brook]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[dry wren]

Anyone else have issues getting DM to stick in delves?

I open with ambush, see the useless animation, but there's no associated debuff

[velvet pier]

!crest

Anyone with the picture for crestupgrading :)?

[low kernel]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[velvet pier]

thanks but i mean the flowchart xd

[novel star]

haven’t run delves for 2 days now but i had no issues before

[manic quartz]

Do we just use Sikrans endless assault on CD or is there some gimmick

[novel star]

don’t see why anything would change

since then

[eager tree]

so the duplicated poisons from deathmark has a different spell ID than the normal ones lol...ok

[hallow pelican]

Is it better to animate charge a bleed or an envenom?

[faint path]

619 WEAPON craft cost 100k only materials jesus

[royal lantern]

sanctified alloy

🙂

🙂

[slate crown]

Does not matter

[faint path]

where can I get that shit let me farm

[royal lantern]

1tinderbox, 1 nullstone, 2ironclaw ore, 1 core alloy

for 2 alloy

and needs a specified skill to be able to craft on R3

[faint path]

tinderbox 10k

[royal lantern]

🙂

[faint path]

jesuss everything is soooo expensive

[royal lantern]

🙂

[whole sand]

is bubbling wax still being weird af

[slate crown]

GL farming a tinderbox

that's the problem

they're just rare drops

[grim jay]

wouldnt craft a dagger anyways if you wanna do m+ aswell and arent too afraid of winning 1 rndbg

[royal lantern]

i cant even see treasure chests the entire reset btw

lol

i love missing out on prof knowledge

cus treassuress dont spawn

[grim jay]

oh lol I forgot

thanks for the reminder

😄

[slate crown]

I I just always do dirts

[faint path]

its good upgrade 606 to 619

[slate crown]

not treasure chests

[past forum]

I looted like 20 from dirt during early access and sold them this week. It’ll just barely cover the gold I lost on the engi mount gamba

[slate crown]

do you not see dirts either?

[grim jay]

can just save yourself the money, deal with 9 ilvl less and have the better m+ embellishments which are close in raid

tho

so I dont do it

[faint path]

I already have 2x embellishment 1x 619 wrist and 610 waist 😄

[royal lantern]

idk if its smart to make the crafted items high ilvl tbh lol

cuss like

the emb effects dont get sstronger

and you could have used those cressts next week on weapon/big stat drops

[grim jay]

only if you are a dagger craft guy

[tacit wedge]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[rotund jungle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[thorn crater]

so you can use the forged glad heraldry for pve item upgrade as well?

or u just craft the pvp dagger and use it?

[novel star]

it’s only for pvp items

pve items use spark or enchanted crests

heraldry is just like sparks but for pvp gear

replaces the slot

[thorn crater]

alright and with 9 of them i can craft a weapon i guess right? that will be 610?

[novel star]

610 dagger costs 5

[thorn crater]

champion or hero gear?

[grim jay]

610

flat

[novel star]

not upgradeable

cause it’s pvp gear

[thorn crater]

oh i see

[novel star]

it’s 639 in pvp 610 in pve

[subtle tundra]

crafted gear arent upgradeable at all

[novel star]

ah

also true

i’m just stupid

but yea

[gloomy otter]

quick question to simming , im new to it , how much of a difference does 248 or something like 1-2k make?

https://i.imgur.com/4D2evAp.png

should i prefer a "champion" item over a "veteran"?

cause veteran i cant upgrade anymore

[novel star]

you should be looking at % generally

[analog hornet]

I found 2 new daggers in the new Raid from the Patch 11.0.5 (Aniversary however)

Sounds this good? Maybe for Offhand? 🤔

[novel star]

also 248 is likely less than the margin of error on the side, so literally nothing

[novel star]

brd gear would be hero track no?

so like never useful unless there’s a crazy proc or something idk

[gloomy otter]

ok yeh u right its 0,0% lol

[novel star]

[novel star]

yeah prob

if you don’t have the crests rn it doesn’t super matter but you’d rather not spend valorstones on something less likely to stay equipped lol

[muted ridge]

for multispeccing between Assa and Sub, what would be good embelish combo?

[keen viper]

!talents

!build

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

wowhead most updated

[analog hornet]

But this Daggers dont count as an embelishment 🤔 so its additional dmg 🤔

[grim jay]

either of the crit or vers threads

[grim jay]

which

the siphoning one?

it does count as an embellishment

[novel star]

they’re talking about brd gear

like anniversary raid

[novel star]

but i think it’s hero track so like mid

[grim jay]

uh theres an effect dagger

[novel star]

idunno wait for sims i guess

[grim jay]

I mean kinda depends on how it will actually end up

offhand is kinda free

either way

[novel star]

yeh

if the proc is insane it could be bis

but who knows

the raids not even playable rn afaik so nothing is tuned

wait 2 months then

[grim jay]

@royal lantern speccing outlaw for find treasure and then circling the hallowfall part where you go to azj kahet is pretty good

for treasures

nearly done within 10min

[tacit wedge]

am i late to the party?

[grim jay]

(kinda revolting to spec outlaw tho)

[slate crown]

wait what

WHAT

Does find treasure show dirts?

[novel star]

surely not…

[slate crown]

Listen dirt is treasure

ok

I need to know this information

[novel star]

i fucking love eating worms

[grim jay]

he was getting his knowledge

which you can get in normal treasures

[slate crown]

yes

But I'm asking if outlaw's find treasure also shows dirts

[grim jay]

nah

[slate crown]

ahhhh damn

[thorny crown]

Sup, new to assa here.
Is it bad to bind cold blood to envenom?

[willow falcon]

is the ring from queen better on assa with the nature dmg it does?

got asked by my lc lmao

[green elk]

Is there a list of preferred embellishments? I didnt see it in the pins

[grim jay]

its nearly the same on most classes iirc

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[green elk]

thanks

[west crown]

Macro with kingsbane, they share a cd and you want the crit for the damage window

[willow falcon]

was curious if the nature dmg somehow works better with our kit

big shivs and whatnot

[thorny crown]

Ohh, didnt think about it. smart!

[grim jay]

usually external damage doesnt work with our kit

[willow falcon]

k i'll lie to them then to get the ring ez

[grim jay]

why are you trolling him tho

[novel star]

yeah that’s just wrong btw

you don’t want to hold cb for kingsbane

[thorny crown]

xD

[novel star]

15 second cd difference

[royal lantern]

why outlaw

[thorny crown]

just noticed. so still not worth binding it with envenom for maximum use?

[novel star]

fella lied and said same cd for no reason

[novel star]

binding with envenom is fine just not for your opener

[grim jay]

you can only use find treasure as a minimap option on outlaw and then the treasures get marked on your minimap so you dont need to look for them visually

[wise plume]

is reprimand still bugged for DM?

[novel star]

you want to delay cb until the first envenom after flipping edge case

so, 3rd envenom of the pull

[thorny crown]

Ah alright

[novel star]

then you can send on cd with macro forever basically

[thorny crown]

Noice! Thanks 😄

[grim jay]

pins

[nova aspen]

how much of a dps loss is it

[novel star]

i have shift+2 for normal envenom and 2 for cb envenom personally

[novel star]

-2.5% if you don’t optimize edge case in opener i believe

pretty bad

[nova aspen]

yea ill fix that then lol

[novel star]

it’s really busted to do the flips optimally

[grim jay]

there is a pretty easy fix to it

[nova aspen]

we were doin princess prog the other day and with PI i had a 2.5m burst on pull

[novel star]

you reflip edge case 4 times

[wise plume]

[novel star]

for 5/4 or 7/4 coins

based on rng

broken

[grim jay]

the easy fix

[nova aspen]

lol nah i dont like the mark mechanic

[novel star]

based

coinflipper

[grim jay]

duh oli found someone for his cult

[nova aspen]

[novel star]

:3c

[grim jay]

@spice spire breach!

[novel star]

i’m not even a #realflipper anymore i’m just a fan of both

all specs matter

[nova aspen]

im new to sin since legion, so coinflipping is fun for me for now

[eager tree]

anyone know how to find the duplicated poisons from deathmark spell ID? i have some poisons blacklisted but it doesn't apply to the duplicated ones

[novel star]

[grim jay]

did you convert after the er fix?

[novel star]

yep

ds is actually fun now

[grim jay]

its good, feels smooth

[thorny crown]

They fixed it?

[novel star]

and i can play VV and hold ambush for adds

shit is so cash

[grim jay]

but the new version of er on ptr looks even better tbf

[grim jay]

pins

[novel star]

yeah

always hated er because of burst rng

[devout fiber]

For raid MT do we not want to run Crimson Tempest?

to kill adds etc fast

[novel star]

depends

generally no you’d just want to do caustic

[grim jay]

thats what my gear wants me to play

[novel star]

but some fights are 100% add control and you can go tempest maybe

[normal mist]

Guys, pugged court, shit is fun (normal)

[grim jay]

ct isnt fast

[novel star]

yeah

[normal mist]

its a 600+ ilvl group

[devout fiber]

gotchya

[novel star]

if it’s just some little shitter adds that spawn in

doing a bleed on them is like whatever

just burst with caustic and maybe rup snipe

but that’s just my opinion. go ahead and cancel me

[balmy condor]

They are the exact same as wowhead with just random extra combinations idk, the dungeonroute ones are just straight up hybrid/cleave as seen on wowhead idk what you’re referring to

[iron valve]

there's an addon called idTip that should add spell IDs to mouseover
it might make more sense to do a whitelist tho

[grim jay]

did you just travel back in time

[late kestrel]

hey I don't play assassination much but is deathstalker better than fatebound usually? or just preference

[balmy condor]

Thanks I’ll take a look

[eager tree]

was trying to figure out how to do a whitelist with kui nameplates, can only find blacklist but thanks

[spice spire]

:#3

Oh fuck

I got kicked

So I don’t have that channel

Second

[novel star]

😭

wow…

what a wonderful world

:3

[balmy condor]

?

[grim jay]

only saw the time

not that you got replied to

[spice spire]

#1080572530554835072 if you do it again, I’ll do absolutely nothing, wouldn’t before and still won’t now. But just know I won’t be mad; just disappointed

[novel star]

i’ll :3 in public all i want buddy

the woke mob cant keep me down

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-mods-ltg-mods-low-tier-god-family-gif-13032182972393607348

[novel star]

we have free speech in america

(i don’t live there)

(:3)

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[devout fiber]

am i right in saying bleed = higher keys, hybrid = lower keys/delves?

[grim jay]

the opposite

usually

[novel star]

^

[balmy condor]

Yeah, other way around

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

but even the currently available content hybrid is probably better

[grim jay]

dang sims want me to play with TTB

[devout fiber]

oh

[grim jay]

I kinda want to kindly refuse

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[devout fiber]

is it bad i did boots craft

[balmy condor]

No

[novel star]

like right now/m0 it depends on dungeon and in “low keys” (vault runs) it’ll just be better in everything alrdy

so get comfy w the build now imo

[royal lantern]

unrecoverable, you will die irl now

[grim jay]

its time for me to ask a stupid question. do you have a guesstimate how bad it is if you follow the non-sanguine build pooling if you play with sanguine?

just curious

[still tree]

depends on the dungeon, but if the other DPS are alive and/or have a bunch of upfront burst, shit just insta dies right after getting caustic up

[devout fiber]

so this one is more for lowerkeys/delves?

[balmy condor]

1%

[still tree]

but it doesn't really matter till next week anyways

[novel star]

ye some packs there’s fat mobs tho like the batol dragons or stonevault mechs

and they can live for a good amount of kb

[royal lantern]

pooling was always a very minor thing iirc

[novel star]

even with like fury in party etc

in my experience

[grim jay]

I'd play hybrid everywhere personally

[royal lantern]

like, even in DF S3/4, the difference bettwen just slamming keys and doing the entire "pool up to 70% until you cant" wasnt really a big thing

[grim jay]

thats bigger than expected, thanks (thats what she said)

[novel star]

that’s the idea but honestly t8 delves seem to be tuned a little higher than m0 dungeons lol

so just hybrid everything

don’t worry about it

too much

[chrome blaze]

Oh I mean the talent builds, the wowhead cheat sheet shows a sudden demise build but none of these builds use anything in the bottom right of the tree really

[wise plume]

hybrid best build

[iron valve]

personally I'd rather get used to the m+ build than try to optimize for easy content

[novel star]

^ same

i was playing hybrid in heroics even

and still doing okay

[grim jay]

same

[novel star]

it’s such an unimportant thing

[latent pike]

deos anyone have a macro for blindside procs?

[vivid crown]

i haven't switched away from the hybrid build for anything and it's been fine

[novel star]

don’t need one

[latent pike]

so that i can put mutilate and ambush onto one button

[royal lantern]

you dont need a macro

[novel star]

mutilate changes to ambush automatically

[latent pike]

oh

[novel star]

that’s just how the proc works

[royal lantern]

blindside replaces it by itself

[novel star]

[latent pike]

okay, thanks guys

[novel star]

no worries

[balmy condor]

“Hybrid” is the cheat sheet build, left side trees are called “cleave”

[royal lantern]

(and i remember people beeing bitchy about that change)

[late surge]

would u press fok with CTW on 2 targets if ur specced VV @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Sure

[late surge]

idk wtf to play on court

[novel star]

in rotation you just basically look at it as a mutilate without an energy cost

[late surge]

looking a bit cursed rn

[rapid prism]

does it matter if my ascenction embellished dagger is in the off hand? will the embelisment do less damage?

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker is sorta always on 2 cause of momentum of despair so that’s fine

[royal lantern]

probs a normal ST build with spatter+Improved garrote

[novel star]

nah

[balmy condor]

Slots never matter

[late surge]

this the build Im rocking rn

oh mb

[novel star]

embellish is always the same, even item level doesn’t affect it

[late surge]

nah that works

[grim jay]

im glad my cursed st build still has imp garrote

[royal lantern]

pull->apply your mark on the guy you wanna train on->garrote both->rupture both>start doing cd rotation

atleast thats what im doing

[pallid goblet]

does it matter if i have the ascendancy embelishment on offhand?

[novel star]

nope

[rapid prism]

ty

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

it’s been like this all day

back to back questions

kinda sick tbh

[rapid prism]

hey i was first

lol

[novel star]

i’m farming double kills

[grim jay]

some things that are getting asked in the last days even get ignored

because they are kinda

duh

[royal lantern]

?

[pallid goblet]

im in a raid havent read and just wanted a quick answer

ty!

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t everyone

[novel star]

i try not to actively avoid questions generally unless they’re like really annoying or i don’t have the answer

[willow cloud]

I thought people said to always run CT on two target fights, which seemed a little surprising to me. I know there’s some minimal single target, but it’s primarily a 2 target fight.

[novel star]

most lazy questions you can just give a lazy answer and be fine

helping feels good

low effort

[grim jay]

my sims say dashing scoundrel instead of shrouded

[novel star]

brain smiles

:)

[royal lantern]

didnt sim it tbh

more of a gut feeling

[late surge]

same

[novel star]

someone yesterday dmd me asking for coaching though all i did was parrot the wowhead guide dude

chill

[hexed frost]

Bought the champion track PvP gear with AoTC token instead of hero track pve gear

It's so over

[late surge]

kekW

[grim jay]

idk might be because I have 10k crit unbuffed, SS might end up better with less

so your gut feeling might be right

[royal lantern]

mate, im honest

i saw the pin+that ER was fixed

and thought

"eh, i just put imp garrote back in all builds and go out of imp poisons"

[grim jay]

thats what around 15 years of rogue does to you

you just smell it

[scarlet spade]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[eager tree]

whispyr's wowhead guide says bleed build is better than hybrid for low-end content. is that different now?

[novel star]

the answer to that is the message you just replied to

some dungeons it’s harder to get the value from dtb+kb+caustic

depends on pack

in my experience hybrid cranks already in m0 so even if bleed could perform a little better i don’t bother optimizing for it cause i’d be getting my brain used to a different build for no major benefit

[still steeple]

did that change to cut to the chase ever go through?

where we don't have to press slice n dice

[novel star]

that change is coming in 2 months

for the anniversary

[still steeple]

very sic

[novel star]

we just got very early patch notes for some reason

[balmy condor]

Not that early no?

Regular ptr cycle is 8 weeks

[novel star]

idk what the standard is for major wow patches

not usually as locked in as i am rn

so maybe normal yeh

[balmy condor]

Wow patch cycle is 12 weeks usually

[novel star]

mm

[balmy condor]

Well, 9-12

[novel star]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

Major/minor patches don’t always follow the cadence I guess

But yeh this is a reasonable timeline

[novel star]

i usually just show up for a little bit and then fuck off but this xpac i’m going hard again

cus 10.2 made sin fun and i missed it yipee

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

[misty hare]

hello. thoughts on amplifying poison? worth taking in any build?

[acoustic sky]

I can't believe those two trinkets sims better... Than Ara'kara Sacbrood & Bottled Flayedwing Toxin
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eJofkVM9K2oT3fHKAgAn38

are they oversimming ?

[novel star]

delve trinkets are just pretty good i think

not bugged sims or whatever

they’ll fall off in the future with ilvl likely

cant get delve shit in myth track

[iron valve]

2 minute on use is also good with assassination

[novel star]

yeh

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[novel star]

uh huh

what’s wrong w that

[strange python]

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[novel star]

yes

[cloud nacelle]

What trinket? ive gotten 10+ cloaks 🥲

[novel star]

ascension + banding is better in st

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[strange python]

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[vivid crown]

is the ER / DS bug fix live? or is it on PTR

[novel star]

if you sim like 70% which is prolly the average in real logs, ascension is just better

[novel star]

live

[vivid crown]

o nice

[novel star]

no prob

[eager tree]

there are builds linked in the pin, on the wowhead guides in the faq, on the icy veins guides. several of them use amp poisons. whispyr has thoroughly explained rationale for several talents in those guides so i'd recommend reading there

[novel star]

amp poison is really good

envenom good make envenom better good . yum!

etc

[misty hare]

im thinking of a combo of a shived envenom, empowered by darkest night + empowered envenom talent + amp poison proc

should hit like a truck

[novel star]

it does indeed

[strange python]

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[balmy condor]

You don’t

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

all stats are good on assassination

damnit whispyr that one was fast bro

finger on the trigger

[tawny geyser]

@balmy condor Can you shortly explain the new fix with ER and Vanish being irrelevant or relevant? Vanish is the part I am finding hard to understand. Do we not use it anymore or?

[balmy condor]

Yeah bro call me Kurt Cobain

[novel star]

well that was his toe wasn’t it

[misty hare]

Whispyr shoots comments first, ask questions later

[balmy condor]

What’s confusing about the pin

Actually you know what

Nvm

!vanish

[novel star]

whispyr toes emote etc etc

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[balmy condor]

Read that

[novel star]

i’m still not doing that shit when they fix it

too bad at the game i need my safety ambush

[misty hare]

btw question, we always open with ambush i assume, to proc the deathstalker mark, right?

[novel star]

only when you don’t have the darkest night buff

which is stated on the wowhead opener

[eager tree]

if you have DN you don't have to, just depends on if the buff is gonna last long enough for you to get a 7p envenom off

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[willow cloud]

Per sub channel, apparently concoction trinket does not trigger on use, so you can run skardyns/ascendency and concoction for double on use death mark

[misty hare]

yeah yeah, assuming i dont have DN

[novel star]

then yes

[eager tree]

rai i think you'd do well to read the guides including rotation and talent pages, will answer all these questions

[novel star]

if you don’t have the mark you don’t have any damage lol

[misty hare]

yeah i noticed oli 😛

[novel star]

[wild kettle]

is there assa pov for last boss kill ?

[tired gull]

finally got skardyn's boys

[split jewel]

are world soul rewards reduced in raids?

[tired gull]

yeah, seems to be

was in one last night, 600 score, ~25-30 shards

[split jewel]

same, but the 5 man i did was nearly 200 shards

and then this person in this raid got 200+

[spice surge]

Well it also depends on if you use 5 echos or 1

[split jewel]

i was

[vapid terrace]

You can do echos in a raid group? O.o

[split jewel]

that round gave me 225 shards

[novel star]

i should get out of bed and try for skardyns again

another day another dollar

[surreal wedge]

can I use 2 crafted daggers with both of them having an embellishment?

[normal mist]

idk if that trinket is good but you bet i rolled

[opal chasm]

trinkets gonna change for us much with the trinket tuning on Tuesday?

[tired gull]

[cursive cloak]

Is there a haste point to aim for in the bleed build? currently sat on 6.5% and it feels kinda slow

[normal mist]

no

[cursive cloak]

ty ty

[normal mist]

there is no such things as stats breakpoints

[cursive cloak]

It's a skill issue then, thanks!

[onyx crane]

so I simmed my Kiss of Death trinket vs my Broodsack and kis came ahead, is that solely because of the agility vs haste?

[normal mist]

ilvl probably?

idk

[onyx crane]

it's lower ilvl

[west crown]

Sac nerf?

[normal mist]

If mathematician machine says, then yeah

[onyx crane]

idk?

[normal mist]

show sim

[onyx crane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1tus9cjCmrFwQgCkbJfnce

[crystal delta]

!trinkets

is there a command for trinkets?

[normal mist]

no

[normal mist]

I dono if that combination is good tho

2 active trinkets