assassination

[silk bane]

I LOST

[slate crown]

Thx quake, means a lot 🙂

[shadow patio]

I see that theres alot of people running single target builds but are we supposed to multi dot everything?

[novel star]

🤤

[indigo mulch]

Oh the German even came out there

[sturdy python]

shit 😦

[arctic socket]

bro

[balmy condor]

jjesus

[shadow patio]

no shit

[balmy condor]

fuck

[arctic socket]

got deleted

[waxen oyster]

💅 whispyr nails on point

[balmy condor]

unhinged

[spice spire]

Dogs literally out in chat

What the actual fuck

[indigo mulch]

[novel star]

based discord

[silk bane]

BRO WHERED IT GO

[balmy condor]

only dog I wanna see in chat is quake

[arctic socket]

All im sayin

[waxen oyster]

I'm probably going to get my freebie tier token off shuffle tomorrow

[spice spire]

Hey king

[balmy condor]

I SAW IT AND CHANGED MY MIND

[waxen oyster]

should only be a few games

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/australian-shepherd-dog-puppy-pup-shy-gif-5820106237821371189

[arctic socket]

what do you mean whispur 😦

bro delete that shit fast af too

LMAO

[balmy condor]

not you

[past forum]

Guess he had to put his foot down on that one

[novel star]

:(

[balmy condor]

hate that

[arctic socket]

real talk tho, was nail color fire?

[spice spire]

I’m colorblind dog

But I’m gonna say no

[balmy condor]

teal is good

[novel star]

it was nice yeah

[arctic socket]

[novel star]

suckable. blue raspberry

mb

[sturdy python]

looked more emerald green to me, why don't you repost it so we can inspect

[arctic socket]

Alright so we know the guy into feet

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

LMAO

BRO THEY COMING OUT THE WOODWORKS

[novel star]

[wide ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-p-natz-mo-dao-zu-shi-mdzs-yooooo-yoo-gif-20695559

[sturdy python]

[spice spire]

Logging out lil bros wtf

[haughty flicker]

[novel star]

so anyways how about that ER bugfix guys

pretty fun

[arctic socket]

i will post the message again if someone trades me 100g in org 80
Snëaky - Dalaran (US)

[sturdy python]

when does all that shiz in the patch drop? this weds coming?

[balmy condor]

what patch

the outlaw nerfs?

those are on weekly reset

[sturdy python]

ah, and the ER change is later

?

[balmy condor]

oh yeah that's like november

[sturdy python]

😢

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't want it next week anyway

twist the knife and ER rework

are just

not functional on PTR

[sturdy python]

oh fair

[novel star]

twist the knife wont be functional on live buddy

strap in

[bright turret]

ill have to thank father Ion for the QOL rogue changes at thanksgiving

[balmy condor]

say grace

to ion

[spice spire]

Say grace to dn

(It finally works)

[past forum]

Twist the knife into that turkey

[haughty flicker]

i do every night

[novel star]

who’s that

[arctic socket]

Deez nuts finally works

[haughty flicker]

what

[arctic socket]

sheeesh

[spice spire]

You guys are a fan of my nuts

Ty

[novel star]

a fan of all nuts really

mostly chocolate covered almonds

or almonds in general

what a fuckin good nut

[devout sand]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-parasyte-hold-up-gif-6616384397279042321

[spice spire]

me when the homie says they like all nuts

[devout sand]

ong fr fr

[novel star]

trying to think of a bad nut rn but it’s difficult

maybe cashews are the most mid

[still tree]

pecans are obviously S tier

[novel star]

mhm

pecan almond hazelnut peanut all classics you cant get rid of

[deft quiver]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[thorn crater]

are the trinket changes available for simming on raidbots? or just wait till wed?

[balmy condor]

there's some overrides in #tc-research but won't be in simc until tuesday reset on NA when they actually get tuned

[thorn crater]

makes sense. i think ill make a minor WA to track the movespeed trinket, could turn the sprint into a dmg button, since i cant get anything else lol

[runic hinge]

this is such fake news

cashew bis nut

[true tapir]

hey homies, any tips for energy management in longer raid fights?

[ivory flower]

!Pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[tribal verge]

Do we have a minimum haste number? I know the more we have doesnt equal regen...

[dusk void]

It looks to me that Bubbling Wax works, but it doesn't work for the full 2 hr duration, my guess is internally it's only like 1 hour

[ivory flower]

Sin Will always run out of energy, that s the design of the spec

[runic hinge]

no

[runic hinge]

i wanna guess it turns off if you die, but i can't confirm cause ive never died

[novel star]

Aintnoway

[velvet nacelle]

what enchants are we doing now? i'm sure it's in pins but i'm in raid

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

authority of the depths for raid, radiant power for m+

but power is also fine in raid and cheaper

[arctic socket]

Be a gamer

depths mh radiant oh

[woeful hollow]

At how many combo points is it best to start using finishers?

[novel star]

5+

[woeful hollow]

ty

and are we still pooling the envenom chains or are we just giga spamming

[novel star]

if u have rapid injection ye

if u don’t ur still not spamming

outside of cds

play 4 buff uptime

[woeful hollow]

which buffs

[novel star]

envenom

[woeful hollow]

okay

so i would sit on 5+ combo points while envenom buff is up and wait for it to almost fall off then finish then repeat?

[novel star]

yeh

it pandemics

[woeful hollow]

k ty

i am having really bad energy problems rn

[novel star]

energy will always be a struggle but not mashing helps

[waxen oyster]

I mean

it's the rogue spec with the most downtime for a reason

[novel star]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

Which is fine to have in a class that also has a cokefiend level mash spec

[novel star]

[woeful hollow]

okay so its normal to always be low on energy on bosses rn?

[novel star]

yup

sin has to play around energy

we’re a buff/debuff maintenance spec

[silent stratus]

is 2617 secondary stat > 885 primary stat a nobrainer, or worth simming?

[novel star]

not meant to mash stuff for instant damage unless in cds

[warped lily]

Which one should be right or lefr?

[novel star]

whatever is higher ilvl

goes in main hand

[warped lily]

you think is a good idea to improve that dagger

?

[shy pecan]

It means more damage so...

[vapid terrace]

Yes unless you can get better ones easily

[novel star]

main hand item level is pretty much always the most important upgrade

so yeh

[slate crown]

The off hand slot is very unimportant, by contrast, in terms of ilvl

[novel star]

^

[scarlet spade]

Is the trinket tuning going to drastically shift anything or is Sacbrood still the play

[timber vessel]

is delve scaling still very borked, ive been able to solo t8 but if its easier/faster with groups I will leave my dear friend brann

[novel star]

probably still bis

[novel star]

afaik it’s fixed now n groups are better

[scarlet spade]

Ah my bad didn't see the pin ty

[novel star]

no worries

[timber vessel]

cool, t8 solos taking like 20-30m at ilvl 584 for me wanted to zoom through my keys

[slate crown]

oh my god

it's y9ou

[dense kernel]

I stoped after the Hotfix to solo them, the time just isnt worth it compared to a 5 man

[shadow patio]

whats the best way to approach a fight like silken court on heroic

[timber vessel]

yeah trying retail, still play sod though

[dusk void]

Story checks out. Just tested Bubbling Wax before dying on the dummy and it procced within 30 seconds ish. Fell to my death and retested, and hasnt reproceed in over 3 min.

[runic hinge]

[dusk void]

Removed and Reapplied and it procced immediately

[wide ferry]

We doin double dawnthread on belt and wrists right?

[slate crown]

Well glad to have you here. TWW so far has actually been really good thusfar (though it's still pretty early) in terms of content and such, I'm having a good time. Lots of bugs rn but putting those aside I'm liking it

[timber vessel]

its uh, much different than vanilla through wotlk lol

[runic hinge]

Nice. I’m on it for raid night

[timber vessel]

many buttons many mechanics

[runic hinge]

Wow is so fun rn

[velvet nacelle]

this raid is fun

i really enjoy the fights so far, chaotic but not unmanageable

[slate crown]

Yeah there's a lot more to worry about. Now that you're here you can see my fixation on things like pooling in the SoD APL lol

[runic depot]

if I craft a dagger without a spark and no crests, whats the ilvl for r5? is it 606?

[ashen scroll]

i looked at the guide and the only requirement for thiste tea is that you dont overcap and you use it during a shiv yeah? make sure i have at least 1 for CD's?

[slate crown]

Yeah even tho i've spent like almost literally 50% of my time in town prospecting it's still good

[fleet pagoda]

590 I think, unless it's the pvp one, that goes as high as 610

[fleet pagoda]

well that's 590 with the weathered crests***

[runic depot]

i think i saw 596 on the tooltip

[runic hinge]

Same, but at the engi bench

[fleet pagoda]

you probably need a spark to craft that item then

[timber vessel]

I spend most of my time on youtube, because theres so many systems I have to learn

havent played since like s1 legion

[runic depot]

gotcha

[fleet pagoda]

assuming it's the Everforged Stabber

[runic depot]

yep

[fleet pagoda]

aye so that will need a spark. if you're on a populated server and want to throw some gold and time spent in bg's on it you can get a 610 with no spark investment

[weary spear]

am i gonna have to play outlaw in raid this season to be competitive does anyone have a good answer yet

[fleet pagoda]

play what you're comfortable with/have the most fun with, you will blast.

[weary spear]

sin gang it is

DN uptime annoying asf tho in intermission and add fights tho fr

[rotund oak]

[slate crown]

Yeah there's a lot to catch up on, especially things like professions and the upgrade system, though a lot of it seems more complicated than it actually is.

[safe sand]

Are sims updated for the ER change? Dummy damage is much much higher

[weary spear]

I do feel like DS is only worth it if you can keep good uptime otherwise its dps loss

[jaunty basin]

what's our best embellishments and all that to add to crafted gear for mplus? and is it still bis to craft wrists and belt?

[weary spear]

crit embellishment m+

[fleet pagoda]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[fleet pagoda]

only angle I'd reconsider in putting one of those on bracers is the engi rez slot for m+. i feel like the dudes who die the most are the ones with BRs

[wicked lynx]

engi rez should no longer be a tinker

afaik

[runic hinge]

yeah you can use a consume now

[fleet pagoda]

I'm out of the loop, thanks for the info

[weary spear]

i got a 610 scroll i heard its bis is this true? anyone confirm?

[tired gull]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[tired gull]

i have yet to get a delver's bounty and i'm sad about it

[rotund oak]

can be both if u discover it from the DF tinkers as a recalibrated version to work for TWW

think its a tinker node

havent confirmed it yet though

[clever perch]

With tier we swap to Fatebound right?

according to fuu sheet

[velvet nacelle]

for both daggers? they stack?

[fleet pagoda]

it's like waiting for legendaries to drop in legion. you finally get a few and then it's all for the same slot (or it's the pvp ring in legion's case)

[echo heath]

603 concoction is a 1.5% increase over my 593 harvester trinket but it doesn't seem even close to worth it having to think about canceling it to avoid the stun

[runic hinge]

I mean i just popped my df tinker out and put in in tww goggles

not sure it works, haven't tried it

[rotund oak]

there is a tinker engineer node that ''recalibrates'' DF tinkers to work for TWW

[runic hinge]

also not using those goggles

[steel wagon]

might be a strange request, but id offer 50k for someone to help me get my opener down 1 on 1

horde side

[tawdry sedge]

what is considered a good % uptime for envenom?

[tacit wedge]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[runic hinge]

Actually wait it says can’t be used by players higher than 70. I’m a dummy. Haven’t been using the goggles since I don’t have the skill for secondary stat tho

[torpid lion]

pretty sure wax is bugged rn

its like you die once and it never proccs again until reapplied, some users in this chat did some testing you would have to search for it

[slate crown]

yes

[zinc frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

correct

[torpid lion]

im just using double whet until i see a hotfix for the wax, even tho i didnt see the hot fix for echoing rep

[runic hinge]

I think double whet is better it’s just expensive af

[pure field]

after the initial opener to spread garrote and rupture, how many targets should we aim for to keep up garrote and rupture?

[cobalt sphinx]

i think you only really care about 4 ruptures

[balmy condor]

kinda got levels to it

you care a lot about having energy, and usually like 4-5 bleeds (gar included) are good enough for that

that's milestone 1

then after that if things are going to live a long time and you're running scent of blood, you can think about spreading for that, so that would be 5 ruptures + garrote on main-target usually

and usually that's sort of good enough and you focus on envenom/caustic for the rest

[severe oyster]

Is it just me or does Deathstalker's mark just not apply to mobs in delves?

[balmy condor]

lots of nonsense with marks after they fixed ER

[runic hinge]

Yeah dsm was weird af in delves. Had to switch to fb after a bit

[fleet pagoda]

suspicious niffen in today's bountiful in particular was just immune to it

kind of a stupid question, but how does Tempered Potion work with the Chaos flask in mind? is it just straight up all secondaries since the Chaos is none of those specifically?

[opal sigil]

Hello everyone Does anyone know the range of caustic spatter

[magic sorrel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

12y from center of enemy

[opal sigil]

@balmy condor thanks

[junior sandal]

Depths or radiant for wep enchant bois?

[torpid lion]

to small for it to work on rasha'nan

[balmy condor]

Single target/m+ respectively

[junior sandal]

Bit of both really, more concerned about ST I think

[balmy condor]

No like that’s where you would use those enchants

[junior sandal]

Ahh I understand, thank you mate

[white kindle]

What’s the overall better enchant? 😅 if you do both regularly and have not enough gold to change every time 😄?

[arctic socket]

Depths pretty cool

Could always use both

[white kindle]

👍

[junior sandal]

we taking 1 point out of lethality for resounding clarity now? 😄

[arctic socket]

Ye er fix feels gud

[still steppe]

with us running 1/2 vicious venoms do we still prio mutilate over clear the witness?

[balmy condor]

Could just get 2 sets of daggers idk, I’d probably recommend radiant as a general thing

[balmy condor]

If you’re running 1/2 that’s enough to avoid fok yeah

[still steppe]

do i prio envenom uptime or fok cause after DM i always run into a situation where i have to choose between casting mutilate but my envenom would fall off but if i use a fok i'll be able to keep envenom up

[storm hedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

Why are we fok’ing

I thought we just agreed no fok

[still steppe]

watching my envenom buff fall off hurts me a lil

[balmy condor]

Get used to it

[sweet storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/243742396653895681/1091828035398946927/ezgif-3-af1195d740.gif

[wide dome]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[leaden vine]

Hey guys, how are you dealing with solo delvs? Is it just me finding it pretty hard?

[empty shadow]

How do I find Whispyr's Single target build

[grim jay]

just open whispyrs wowhead guide, put the visualized opener on your 2n screen or your phone and if you feel fancy, send him 50k

[grim jay]

open wowhead

[grim jay]

just play sub or outlaw with trickster and put the 1h tricks on brann

[empty shadow]

Can you post a link, that's too vague?

Oh I see what you mean, nvm.

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[runic hinge]

50k for feet pics

[leaden vine]

is Bran Captain Carry after that or what?

[grim jay]

he is captain tanky after that

he will tank most of the damage and you just need to interrupt casts

and dodge

[leaden vine]

thx for the advice, i will try it! 🙂

[empty shadow]

I swear I checked the Wowhead raid build 10 times but still had the wrong build. Smh.

[waxen creek]

Would you guys recommend indiscriminate carnage for broodtwister on HC?

i feel like my aoe falls so far behind some of the other cleave classes even when splatter is popping off

[uneven plume]

Nah, but use CT

And imp garrote

Check the wow head build for that boss

[blissful spire]

i got a curio from a pug raid, what do i do with it?

[sterile violet]

traid it for gear

[blissful spire]

where?

nvm found it thanks

[sterile violet]

np

[onyx rock]

Wowhead Guide still outdated ? It does not reflect the current hotfixes in the builds. Or why isn't ER present in the Deathstalker build?

[hexed frost]

Excuse me sir wtf

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8PmKc1QWWnBavsfmzcchKc

35K more DPS in no wire build?

[barren shuttle]

1,2m Sim with ilv 600????

[flat sentinel]

its dung slice

[willow grotto]

Dungeonslice

[barren shuttle]

Oh I'm blind

[flat sentinel]

im like 1.05 with st

[solid venture]

where enchants?

[balmy condor]

A WHOLE THIRTYFIVE THOUSAND?

[flat sentinel]

its legit trolling not taking wire lol

[balmy condor]

we can do better

let me cook

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

"still outdated" bro it's been a day and we got bugs to work through

[still steppe]

i swear wire adds a lot hidden dmg adds get grouped so poison bomb hits way more etc

[balmy condor]

I could not, dude only plays fatebound I'm not gonna add deathstalker builds

also just looking through logs

who are you people

who

why

why

[subtle tundra]

Sickos

For fun gamers

[balmy condor]

in week 1 heroic logs

[subtle tundra]

Massive respect to any person who plays something just cause they want to

[balmy condor]

ooh

all the weird shit is literally just chinese rogues

doing their best to just make weird decisions

wait actually though holy

out of those 35% ethereal cloak users

there's like 3 russians, a german, an NA, and then just a sea of CN

is there some cn streamer that swears by ethereal cloak

what is happening

[round nexus]

That’s not massive respect. Play whatever spec you want, but at least put effort into being in the optimal build, that’s just laziness

[snow hamlet]

cus ethereal cloak can trigger the Flensing Knives

[fresh python]

god im so good at this game

[balmy condor]

surely that can't be it

flensing knives is a 0.5% talent

[snow hamlet]

whatever

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a good guess

but I would hope not

[snow hamlet]

I'm just explaining why someone would choose cloak

[balmy condor]

and I'm just praying that the community isn't that degenerate

but I'm too hopeful

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[hexed frost]

Just ran a quick sim, no enchants or sockets kek

[grim jay]

FUCKING 40K

[subtle tundra]

Lol no

[keen spruce]

Chinese rogues

[balmy vapor]

!wa

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[grim prawn]

Does it matter if I do 1x worldsoul memories or 5x?

[zealous wolf]

is something bugged with sin in delves? i feel like im doing less dmg than in dungeons

[worthy bear]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[quartz lance]

Is the tooltip on the Dawnthread Lining buff incorrect? It's only showing as giving me 756 crit despite having 2 equipped.

[balmy condor]

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[quartz lance]

Ahh, thank you sensei

Time to go and try and HC farm Grim Batol for the bleeding trinket zzZzzz

[cerulean compass]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[waxen oyster]

ask bac

[cerulean compass]

Hmmm

[balmy vapor]

Whispyr in your WA what is the number in top right corner of the envenom symbol?

[balmy condor]

amp poison

[balmy vapor]

ty!

[waxen oyster]

Isn't ethereal cloak like

only good for niche scenarios where the magic is

2secs longer

[cerulean compass]

I get triggered again, main hand is left or right slot ?

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure dude earlier was right about them doing it for flensing

[balmy condor]

616 slot is main hand

[cerulean compass]

okkk ty 😄

[waxen oyster]

what is flensing

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[balmy condor]

do you have a log

[zealous wolf]

bleed build is the prefered dungeon (m+) build for now?

[balmy condor]

probably hybrid at this point

[zealous wolf]

ty

and are the per boss builds you posted still relevant after the bug fixes?

[balmy condor]

yes I fixed them all

[zealous wolf]

i love you

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[balmy condor]

that won't help I'm afraid

I'll go log it

I'm trying to hunt down a bug

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[grim jay]

stop flexing on us

[balmy condor]

any combat event in the game yes

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[balmy condor]

!wcl

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[balmy condor]

I'm looking into it dw

[naive pier]

did they fix the eco reprimend with the darkstalker buff, where you can utilize the empowered combo points to burn a stack from deathstalker mark>

[grim jay]

yes

as the pins say

[naive pier]

thank you, sorry for not noticing

[zealous wolf]

is the Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife really that good as it sims or its bugged?

[balmy condor]

its good

[pulsar apex]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[prisma laurel]

anyone have the pawn assasination stat weights?

[balmy condor]

I did in 2017

but pawn died after that

[prisma laurel]

i was curious cause pawn is weighing vers over mast and crit

[novel star]

yeah don’t use pawn

[balmy condor]

well pawn is a wreck

[novel star]

uninstall immediately

[prisma laurel]

and my bags are just full of upgrade icons

[balmy condor]

it's not even accurate if it was optimized

just get rid of it

[novel star]

^

[prisma laurel]

any alternatives?

[balmy condor]

simming yourself

[novel star]

sin fortunately/unfortunately likes every stat so no, you have no shortcuts available

just sim every piece of gear u get

[balmy condor]

I mean don't have to do that

just run a droptimizer

and then you're good to go for like a week or so

[novel star]

premium feature

[balmy condor]

[empty viper]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

cant sim all dungeons if you’re broke

[balmy condor]

okay so then take the import from #tc-research

add it to your top gear

and top gear some shit

or top gear your raid

idk

[empty viper]

do i just aa and wait for envenom too run almost out to refresh it if im starving energy?

or do i keep mutilate spamming?

[balmy condor]

you do that even if you're not starving for energy

[empty viper]

oh ok

[limber lion]

No such thing

[balmy condor]

any time outside of cooldowns you are maintaining envenom

[limber lion]

You build to 5+ always then you wait or finish

[novel star]

you can droptimize shit if u open multiple tabs

kinda

but not really

[empty viper]

ok need to try that

[novel star]

[vagrant plover]

why does staying under 50% lead to more envenom casts?

[novel star]

sanguine blades

talent

[normal mist]

No you're a talent

[novel star]

aw

🥹

[normal mist]

You're pretty cool Oli, +100 aura

[faint path]

after fix whats the talent for princess?

[ocean gulch]

hey which craft we're going to do ?

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cerulean compass]

Iwas like, I still don't get it and after I remember english wasn't my first language

[novel star]

🫡 🫡 i tri

[limber lion]

Sang hungry om nom nom

[normal mist]

LOL

[empty viper]

ok thanks , i tried to analyze one of your streams to see what i do wrong and this kept irritating me 😄

[vagrant plover]

ok i understand now

[limber lion]

[vagrant plover]

u talkin my language now

[normal mist]

I can't believe that worked

Omfg loooool

[novel star]

[faint path]

are we gonna choose that after fix in raid?

[limber lion]

Ya

[novel star]

[crystal delta]

scratching that 1m sim 😄

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/reEm4sH7QSVogbLgiN2tKN

[bleak plume]

am i correct in assuming that 2/4 set bonus does not give damage to envenom?

[balmy condor]

envenom is not a poison, garrote, rupture, or crimson tempest

[cerulean compass]

So just in case, if I understand correctly, we need to get as much energy while using cooldowns and just survive with envenom buff (so stay under 50%) until we set up new windows of burst ? 🤔

[balmy condor]

so yeah, sounds correct

[empty viper]

i did 10min on dummy and now the class feels like it makes more sense

[balmy condor]

yes

[empty viper]

then just keep spamming 😄

[rotund oak]

😉

[novel star]

most people would benefit from just doing this

[cerulean compass]

HMmmmm it's like weird how I see my charact now LMAO

[royal lantern]

its not a poison until it is for poison dmg increases

[balmy condor]

yeah

[novel star]

i spent my hour smacking dummies after coming back to the game recently

every1 should

[balmy condor]

I don't get how zoldyck still doesn't say nature damage

but what do I know

[novel star]

poison sounds cooler

[balmy vapor]

Whispyr any reason for no slice and dice/serrated bone spike in the WA?

[woven shore]

Whispyr

[novel star]

Snd shows when you don’t have it. Sbs is a passive

[woven shore]

When did they fixed the St and ER bug?

[empty viper]

yeah practice is king ^^

[royal lantern]

cus then you will also get 2million "does this nature dmg trinket get stronger when used during zoldyck????" questions a day

and some m+ galaxybrain streamer doing it and the m+ apes then saying that its totally a thing

[novel star]

check the pins

[grim jay]

did you try the pins

[woven shore]

Did i miss that or was it a shadow fix

[rotund oak]

like yday or the day before

[balmy vapor]

ah true thanks oli

[rotund oak]

it works,the interaction is solid

[woven shore]

Fucking finally

Im so happy 😭😭😭😭

[rotund oak]

same fam

[novel star]

it was a shadow thing tho they didn’t say shit in patch notes

[rotund oak]

deathstalker has so much better flow now

resounding clarity

is like

idk

[woven shore]

I was in heroic and my mark reset on the special cp and i was like???? What

😂😂😂😂

[slate cradle]

vanish ambush is dead tho for now

[empty viper]

WAIT ITS FIXED?

[rotund oak]

no one cares for vanish now though

[slate cradle]

Fair

[woven shore]

Yes sir

[rotund oak]

the ER-DN interaction

[subtle tundra]

Pins are magical

[rotund oak]

it is

[novel star]

this is kinda a good thing since you can hold your ambush for adds without worrying about the 0.7%dmg loss

[rotund oak]

fixed

[grim jay]

today really reflects the pin usage

[slate cradle]

true true

[empty viper]

im sleep deprived

forgive me

[woven shore]

Smoke weed my guy

[empty viper]

play less wow

[grim jay]

you arent alone, dw

[bleak plume]

@balmy condor so what exactly gets buffed by the set bonus? Poison bomb, deadly/amp poison and kingsbane ?

[woven shore]

I cant wait for weekly reset

[balmy condor]

I wish

[woven shore]

And m+

[grim jay]

bro honestly its so annoying

this week shouldve been m+

[woven shore]

Who of you rogs has got any tier piece ?

[grim jay]

[bleak plume]

ive got legs from normal yesterday and considering catalyzing hero shoulders

but idk if the 2p is trash or not

[woven shore]

From normal and 4/8 heroic ive got not even ONE piece of Gear

[bleak plume]

and whispyr's not teling me

[rotund oak]

got on my mage,im keep my stuff for my rogue till vault

[woven shore]

😡

[balmy condor]

it affects weapon poisons

and fatebound coins

and that's it

[bleak plume]

kingsbane no?

[woven shore]

I think i wouldve died

[balmy condor]

nope

[bleak plume]

wtf

[grim jay]

2 and 4 is kinda trash

[faint path]

whats that 2P then hahahaha

[spice surge]

Deadly, amp and fatebound damage last i checked (and instant/wound but lmao)

[bleak plume]

6p good then?

[balmy condor]

our tier just sucks

cause for some reason they forgot to make it work

with like half the spec

[woven shore]

I saw a fire mage today and im thinking about alting my fire instead of frost dk

Fire isnt that bad tbh

And its my n1 spec on mage

[rotund oak]

dont wanna be rude or anything but are u insane

[grim jay]

fire is kinda zZzZ imo

[rotund oak]

firemage is dogsht

[bleak plume]

yoof

[crystal delta]

So do we think assa will fall off later on when ppl get their set?

[woven shore]

Classic rog player

[grim jay]

all of them are shit

except enh

[bleak plume]

assa already fell off in the first week

[woven shore]

I mean i out dmg him but whatever

[faint path]

fire mage dog shit right now blizzard gonna buff a lot until people plays it then high keys will be only fire as always 😄

[woven shore]

[rotund oak]

yeah i also play a mage,fire even after buffs wont do much

frost is the way

[crisp pine]

Sin is already dead actually
Better luck next expansion losers

[slate cradle]

?? lil

lul

[faint path]

lmao

[rotund oak]

fire hits like a wet napkn

[woven shore]

😦

[cerulean compass]

No way I did just find how to play sin

understnad *

[novel star]

fb bis holy

[limber dew]

@balmy condor with the set bonus effecting coins would it make fatebound better once 4 set is acquired? Or is it not enough to pip it ahead ?

[woven shore]

Imagine pyro blast would crit for a mil or two

Fire would be op and blizz would nerf the fun

[cobalt sphinx]

maybe we'll see a fatebound log in the top 100 on one of the fights

[balmy condor]

the 4 piece is bleed damage mate

[novel star]

no everyone will go ds anyway

[balmy condor]

we're talking about the 2 piece

but no

[limber dew]

Ah it's 2 set that is poison

[balmy condor]

the tier just sucks so fucking bad

regardless of what you do

[woven shore]

Singular focus stronk

[limber lion]

The tier in all in just bad

[woven shore]

[limber lion]

2p 4p 6p 24p doesn't matter it's all dogwater

[thorn crater]

did they intentionaly make tiers so bad?

[limber dew]

I tried to see if I could transition into sub. And I have got no sub stated gear so the damage falls off a cliff 😂

[thorn crater]

so classes wouldnt be dependent on them to deal dmg?

[limber dew]

I will have to start collecting multiple gear sets

[woven shore]

Ah yea i forget
Why are the tier bonuses so low 😂

[crystal delta]

i mean ... i assume tier > no tier will still be true but not as huge as last seasons

[woven shore]

4 piece 10% venom dmg and bleed or something

[grim jay]

yes

they said that somewhere

that the first ones will have less power and be entirely passive

[novel star]

they said that but then some classes get 10+%

[grim jay]

you mean like 2

[spice surge]

They nerfed those that were 10+

[grim jay]

specs

[woven shore]

Btw
How comes outlaw is nr2 in raid dps wtf

[bleak plume]

@balmy condor wait so am i correct in calculating that on a single target fight, our 2p and 4p comes out at a whooping 2% dmg boost?

[grim jay]

did they nerf the enh set?

[empty viper]

nerf is coming already

[spice surge]

But even 10% is pretty weak compared to df

[spice surge]

Yes massively

[woven shore]

I saw but still

[balmy condor]

yes?

[woven shore]

Lets say its a 5% nerf

[spice surge]

Subs amirdrassil tier was 25% for example

[woven shore]

Outlaw would still be the best spec 😂

[bleak plume]

[balmy condor]

#tc-research message

[rare jackal]

amidrassil tier was so based
realz 🧑‍🍳 ed

[balmy condor]

we've known that

[novel star]

more than that but yeh

[balmy condor]

for a long time

[grim jay]

ye they were 3, I forgot devastation

[balmy condor]

realz is a class designer not an item designer though

[grim jay]

bcs who cares for evokers

[rare jackal]

dont care, didnt ask, dont ruin my headcanon

[woven shore]

Me

[spice surge]

Assa isnt alone in their tier being worth that little either fwiw

[woven shore]

[novel star]

outlaws is gonna be like 3% after a giga buff so yeh

[royal lantern]

no no no

there is only 1 guy doing everything for each class

in amullti billion game

[novel star]

tier is just mid this szn

[royal lantern]

1 single guy

[grim jay]

is it the family guy?

[rotund oak]

nice nice

[crisp pine]

No, the family guy isn't single

[grim jay]

based

[sharp viper]

just because you make that much money doesn't mean you spend it

[grim jay]

you cant make money without spending

[woven shore]

Who said that

[rotund oak]

its called investing

[woven shore]

You can rob a bank

[rotund oak]

also true

[grim jay]

you spend your time robbing a bank

[rotund oak]

[copper hazel]

also need to buy equipment to rob a bank

[grim jay]

preparation, needed items etc

ye

[copper hazel]

swag bags arent cheap

[rotund oak]

bags barely worth the craft friend

unless they are the epic ones

[woven shore]

Just steal a trash bag
Stealth inside the building and steal that shit

[grim jay]

kinda makes me wanna play a round of payday

[woven shore]

And then buy tockens for 10mil dollar

[blissful storm]

How do we go about minimal hp for using dots. How I understand it is that if an enemy has low HP we dont want to ever garrote and rupture it, Like mobs that have less than 15M HP are pointless to dot imo, exception would be when we have carnage we could dot to benefit from Scent of blood, so in opener I guess we could dot low hp targets but later in the fight we dont want to dot when enemies wont survive the duration of the dot, is that right?

[grim jay]

you dont garrote anything except your main target anyways outside of IC in aoe
otherwise you try to keep your scent stacks maxed
personally dont know if we have any exact rule for seconds left, which is also kinda hard to judge unless you know what the others do, but I usually refresh if I think they'll stay alive for another like 10-12-ish seconds

[pulsar apex]

maybe im not reading the sims right but is without a trace simming decently?

[royal lantern]

its sliterally ussules mate

lol

[grim jay]

no

[pulsar apex]

ok cos i thought it was useless. then in the pinned sims its only 50k behind the top. i must be reading the sims wrong

[novel star]

only 50k?

[pulsar apex]

im reading it wrong im sure

these sims

why is that image so big?

[woven shore]

just imagine you played eu dropped this badboy
can craft the Hammer aswell AND THEN you star playing us

[novel star]

it is more than 50k but also 50k isn’t a meaningless amount of dps to just lose for no benefit

so “only 50k” is like

[royal lantern]

i swear

[royal lantern]

the worst players i saw are using thunderfury

without fail

lol

[balmy condor]

the hint is in your picture

[woven shore]

50k dps over a 5 minute fight

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

it's far worse than that

he's just reading it wrong

[lusty narwhal]

got 2x heroic dags sheeesh

[balmy condor]

I think at least idk

I'm on mobile

[lusty narwhal]

dunno whether to go depths or radiant

[woven shore]

i always wanted to play thunderfury 😦

i dropped both sigiles in less than 25 runs

and sulfurs orb thing

[grim jay]

some people just have all the luck

[woven shore]

ah yea
i dropped windseeker AND sulfurs in ONE run

[lusty narwhal]

was very lucky lol

[woven shore]

i shouldve played the lottery this day

[pulsar apex]

So WOAT is -52K off a DSM CB Build? Thats what this sim is saying?

[woven shore]

so blizz fixed a bug and a new bug appeared ?

[balmy condor]

yeah in that comparison

[pulsar apex]

gotcha ty

[grim jay]

I think you didnt

tho

[balmy condor]

I guess on 2mil 50k is actually quite a lot

[grim jay]

50k for nothing

is quite a lot

especially

[woven shore]

2.5% if im not wrong

[pulsar apex]

as a casual player its what does that 2.5% "cost" to me. extra button/talent i dont like/bloat/annoyance. I guess in this specfic comparison it costs me nothing. its just a dps loss for nothing.

[grim jay]

ER with the fix makes DS play a lot smoother

and idk what to tell people that still think sin has many buttons

[empty viper]

it has alot of tools but not alot of buttons yeah

[rare jackal]

comparitvely its still a lot of buttons, but not as severe as it used to be

[grim jay]

compared to what

because there certainly are many specs with more buttons

or atleast the same amount

[quartz cloak]

I would argue that rogue def is on the side of more buttons currently, but maybe for some ppl it doesn’t fit then or they can just refuse to play with as many. For everyone there’s is prob a gameplay which fits their needs or expectation of fun buttons to press

[grim jay]

I'm talking about sin

not rogue

[quartz cloak]

Sin has as many buttons as other rogue specs

[grim jay]

and he said it has comparatively more

[cyan summit]

Sim telling me to use my 590 crafted dagger instead of the heroic one :/ im confused

[grim jay]

compared to BM, every spec has comparatively more

so I asked compared to what

[late surge]

put dagger with highest ilvl main hand

[spice surge]

The hc one isnt enchanted

[hybrid tree]

Offhand dagger dps is not important. Your embellishment is

[late surge]

and t3 depths

😮

[cyan summit]

i see ok thanks guys

[grim jay]

all the gold for those enchants

just to get vendored next week

[spice surge]

Just dont be poor?

[grim jay]

I mean I could buy them, but why

I wouldve if I had a heroic dagger

tho

[royal lantern]

"iM MiNMaXiNg" (stuck at the 3rd boss on heroic)

[grim jay]

or any relevant heroic piece

for an enchant slot

for that matter

[old sequoia]

brother has 6 figures of enchants on god damn

[royal lantern]

ye like, idk

r3 Enchants on anything bellow heroic level raidgear feelss like hard trolling lol

[proud mason]

Hey, did anyone tried farming solo delves for delves bounty map ? wondering if there is one where you can mostly stealth and rush to last boss

[cyan summit]

😅

[grim jay]

idk if you can even farm them

in normal delves

or only in bountiful

I only got maps out of the bountiful chests so far

and one from the boss invading me

[proud mason]

You can, either from zekvir boss (even if he kills you, it drops a fang where you died with a chance for a delves bounty map, or in the end chests

[open mountain]

They can drop when the chonky guy invades you zekvir

[proud mason]

bounty delves right now are the only sources of hero track gear other than hc raid

[grim jay]

couldnt you just farm

zekvir

then

[open mountain]

Yeah but he is rare

And he doesn’t always drop a map

Sounds unproductive

[clear nexus]

whats the map

[grim jay]

theres the zekvir delve, isnt there?

I didnt do it

so I dont know

[open mountain]

It’s just a thing that drops from the chest when he leaves

[proud mason]

i'll do my research and report back, if anyone has an idea of which delve is most likely to be rogue friendly i'm all ears

has to be in difficulty 8

[open mountain]

Tek rakhan

Can skip a lot of mobs

And last boss is easy

[grim jay]

thats probably the shortest one ye

[open mountain]

It’s also the only one I’ve seen zekvir invade although I’m sure that has no relevance

[proud mason]

i'll give it a shot, see how fast i can farm it as a 603 sin

[grim jay]

@royal lantern tell me, kebab or burger and fries

[clear nexus]

ill tell u, kebab

[royal lantern]

kebab

[open mountain]

I imagine zekvir will absolutely slap you when he spwns in though

[grim jay]

hes pretty easy

if you do the 1h tricks shenanigans

[grim jay]

kinda based. could probably order for 2 days aswell

[royal lantern]

killed me in 2 auto attacks

[royal lantern]

tricks literally doessnt do anything for me lol

[grim jay]

on sub/outlaw?

[open mountain]

Yeah it doesn’t do anything for me either

[royal lantern]

all 3

[clear nexus]

same

[grim jay]

works for me... most of the time

[royal lantern]

enemys just train me down anyway lol

[open mountain]

Mobs always hit me first for about 20 seconds before they choose Brann

[grim jay]

some small stuff doesnt want to

tho

[hybrid tree]

Tricks when out of stealth

[grim jay]

hu?

[hybrid tree]

When brann is stealthed with you it bugs out

[strange python]

So I have a question if that's alright? This dropped off trash in the raid and I was wondering if I should catalyst it? Or just keep as is? Or sell it lol

[open mountain]

Oh ok so don’t stealth on pull and it works?

[hybrid tree]

(At least it does reliably for me)

[hybrid tree]

I just use tricks after my first global

[open mountain]

Don’t catalyst stuff unless its for set bonus

[grim jay]

dürüm oder tasche?

[open mountain]

You might get tier shoulders next week

[grim jay]

[open mountain]

You could also sell that for millions right now

[grim jay]

oh ye

I dont do them on sin rn anyways tho

so I only apply it once

[strange python]

Only goes fo 500k on my realm atm

Also I got this too

[proud mason]

trying out a tek rakhan kamikaze strat, destroy pheromone crates while not killing any mobs, sprint and do all the objectives then die/vanish and rush to boss

[lusty narwhal]

ascension on dagger really does sim insanely high good lord

[grim jay]

well honestly

I always sell normal and heroic boes asap

bcs youll get the stuff in m+ anyways

expecially if you only wanna catalyst

[royal lantern]

doing a dungeon with a outlaw atm

how the fuck did #outlaw gaslight everyone and themself into thinking its weak

bladeflurry activation alone chunking 10% of the packs max hp togheter with a tails flip

[grim jay]

well tbf I think zac even said its strong

[faint path]

is this good for us?

[old sequoia]

nerfs inc right?

[balmy condor]

It’s fine yeah sim it against your character

[balmy condor]

A giganormous huge 2%

Dead spec tbh

[grim jay]

id love to see them nerf bladeflurry range

just to read the chat

[balmy condor]

No cause then i have to moderate it again

[grim jay]

dont you think the tradeoff is worth sometimes?

[royal lantern]

watching the guy using riposste->double grappling hook with sprint away, engaging the pack solo and by the time the prot warrior tank finished his charge animation, the enemys are allready at 72% hp

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

unplayable tbh

[balmy condor]

Why aren’t they dead?

[royal lantern]

riposte

[faint path]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[proud mason]

Why wrist/belt by the way ? for socket ?

[grim jay]

stat budget

[proud mason]

I thought those slot were the one with the lowest stats per ilvl

[royal lantern]

crafted items are lower ilvl then dropped items

so you kinda dont want it on big stat slots

[grim jay]

wrist belt are low stat budget slots ye

[proud mason]

got it ty

[strange python]

Fair enough, ty!

[faint path]

my sim recommend me speed trinket hm

lets not believe sim then

[grim jay]

show sim

[faint path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8XKYCn78bjgWu2585sYCQg

hm wait a second

why that sims shows my old items wtf

[proud mason]

I think i'm onto something, clearing tak rekhan abyss 8 takes 2 minute if you stealth past everything in the first long straight line, you then destroy the crates to the right and pop sprint, rush to checkpoint into vanish then you can get the last crates and die/respawn back to checkpoint. can get to boss pretty fast without killing anything

didn't get a delves bounty map yet but surely this is best way to get 610 loot before reset

[balmy vapor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cyan summit]

Is gearing hella complicated or it’s just me

With all the crafting and upgrades and catalyst so many things can go wrong

[normal mist]

I was 588 when raid dropped. I'm 605 as of yesterday

So idk

I got 1 single drop item from normal raid

[cyan summit]

Nah not what I mean

[normal mist]

Wait no 2

[royal lantern]

not really

[dark crag]

604 with 2 boss kills

[royal lantern]

do content->get upgrade material depending on the difficulty you did

thats it tbh

[normal mist]

I upgraded most my champion pieces to 4/8

I had so many upgrade crests

[cyan summit]

I mean how will u know which piece to upgrade or when to use ur tier set after finishing heroic raid

[normal mist]

You don't

You just play the game

[dark crag]

Pvp crafts, lucky map drops, 603 -> 606 delve drops

[normal mist]

This isn't a race

It's a marathon

[cyan summit]

But when will I do ? When m+ comes out ?

So just save all my crests and tier

[normal mist]

I will have 2 piece next reset, already got the tier mark and a catalyst charge

[royal lantern]

why would you save normal and LFR level cressts

[cyan summit]

And cap on 2k valer

[faint path]

I got only 1 item from raid and that 616 trinket not even good for us lmao...

[normal mist]

Just waiting to get q 616 from delves

[cyan summit]

Same

[dark crag]

No reason to safe normal crests, hc maybe

[normal mist]

Exactly

[royal lantern]

ye like

heroic stuff? sure, keep

but normal? throw out lol

[normal mist]

Agreed

Champion crests are only useful up to 606(?)

[faint path]

where we can get runed ? only from hc or ?

[normal mist]

If it's higher, then yes

HC / m+

[dark crag]

My hunter is unlucky, i am at 6 delve trinkets now

[normal mist]

Yesterday I decided to play a bit my fury warr and boy it's fun

Wow much goddamn burst

[chrome blaze]

These dungeon builds, are these only recommended for higher keys? I have been running the wowhead m+ build but these are vastly different

[wide ferry]

for neck, do we not have access to the piece that gives us 3 gem slots anynore?

tiet medallion i think

tier*

[grim jay]

did you get a map in the meantime? 😄

[spice surge]

Its only 2 now

But its also for rings

Just buy it on the AH, its got "setting" in its name

[wide ferry]

same item from df?

[spice surge]

no

[wide ferry]

aaahh well f me

thank u!

[lime crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[icy osprey]

huh, ritual knife sims quite high, more than my sacbrood

[lusty narwhal]

Big stat stick

[quaint knoll]

What should I spend my sparks on atm?

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[lime crypt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iDD34UBuEjMV7txzL2rQDh

[raven egret]

Morning, how do you do my fellow rogues

[lime crypt]

why is sac brood simming so low btw?

[raven egret]

Cause it's gross and icky

[quaint knoll]

Thank you - also, in my opener, I'm not getting the combo points from serrated bone spike. Am I doing something wrong?

[still wharf]

outside of the opener, would it be safe to say most of your damage comes from kingsbane cd? what should i be doing while waiting for it to come back up? coasting mutilates and envenom timer?

my M+ dmg is decent but single target i am missing some key understanding

[lime crypt]

but i am gross and icky, i play rogue afterall

[icy osprey]

if you use the meta gems for crit, i take it you dont use the orange stam gem right?

[raven egret]

Between bursts you will be using the base pooling strategy and bidding your time

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[still wharf]

i kinda panic once cd's are blown and energy runs low. am I just pooling and coasting envenom until they come back up?

[grim jay]

you just take what the sim tells you to

[grim jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[raven egret]

TLDR; you will maintain the envenom buff, recasting at 1s remaining on the buff or so, and maintain bleeds in preparation for next KB

[boreal lichen]

is sanguine blades worth it for fate bound raiding ?

[raven egret]

And we just double !pooling command him, be blasted with KNOWLEDGE!!

[still wharf]

and when KB is back up we are slamming shiv and dumping with teas for more nature damage

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[still wharf]

do we wait for env buff to drop during kb?

or just send

[grim jay]

you never let it drop

ever

if you chain

[still wharf]

well down to 0.1

ok

[cyan summit]

!sim

[raven egret]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[median bane]

Thoughts about Assa vs outlaw in m+ ? Will Assa still be far ahead or is Outlaw better then expected based on the raid performance ?

[grim jay]

m+ isnt out yet

[raven egret]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[indigo mulch]

Double nice

[proud mason]

did some hearthstone games but i'm getting back to it, but i'm not sure if i should kill zekvir mob groups

[indigo mulch]

[cyan summit]

can someone teach me how to use the simulation please im a bit lost

[grim jay]

idk, from what ive read now, you kinda want zekvir to invade but idk if you can somehow trigger that or can do something to make it more likely

[grim jay]

there are guides

[lime crypt]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[raven egret]

No way to trigger that I've ever seen, it's entirely random, D4 butcher style. Extremely unreliable

I got a buddy that got like 3 maps, most got none, some got only 1

And afaik I'm the only one in my guild that got zekvir invaded

[grim jay]

ye but is it just like... he randomly spawns at some point in the delve if he spawns at all or does he only spawn if you are killing mobs

etc

I got zekvir invaded 3 times

got 1 map off of zekvir and 1 out of a bountiful chest

[raven egret]

Dayum son! What did you call his mother for him to be pissed off at you

[still wharf]

one more question to confirm - how should i be using the DS capstone during ST raid fight? I think it's why the other rogue i compared to blasted me with +50% envenom damage

what am i not doing?