assassination

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

didnt resounding get fixed

er rather

[balmy condor]

yes

[sudden phoenix]

Also do we save Vanish incase we lose deathstalker marker?

[balmy condor]

yes

with the bug

[waxen oyster]

oh right it was 2/2 with bug

[sudden phoenix]

its the only ability im not really sure how to use correctly.

some people saying vanish during your KB window to reapply garrote?

[balmy condor]

when the bug gets fixed, you would want to vanish ambush while having darkest night

[sudden phoenix]

ahhh

[balmy condor]

if you have improved garrote sure

it's either improved garrote during deathmark

[abstract canopy]

holy shit did echoing reprimand get stealth fixed?????

[balmy condor]

or getting the mark up earlier by vanish->ambush with darkest night up

or if you're playing fatebound, you vanish for edge case

those are the 3 conditions

[sudden phoenix]

Thx!

[balmy condor]

np

[waxen oyster]

edge case procs off deathmark

[balmy condor]

it indeed does

[waxen oyster]

which always seemed weird

since AR is a much shorter cd

[balmy condor]

yeah but the way coins stack

[upper wraith]

what sim do I run for 5 targets again?

[balmy condor]

makes it kinda fine

[balmy condor]

it's only ever patchwerk or dungeonslice

[woven torrent]

if assumed the bug wouldnt be .. if at 0 combo points what exaclty does vanish ambush give when DN is up? i mean it doesnt proc it does it ?

[balmy condor]

I'm assuming you're not trying to sim a dungeon

[fleet pagoda]

there was a broken interaction with ER nodes and internal bleeding a while ago, that got fixed right?

[somber nimbus]

i think my DM is disappearing on ansurek after she pulls

is that normal?

[upper wraith]

I just want to work on my rotation at the 5 target dummies

[balmy condor]

you would get the mark up and be 1 stack quicker to your next mark

[balmy condor]

no

[somber nimbus]

or is that the bug

[balmy condor]

then sim 5 target dummies

[balmy condor]

yes that's been fixed

[fleet pagoda]

ty big papi. thanks for all those sims checkin out the hotfixed stuff last night too

[balmy condor]

[weary spear]

is scroll of momentum playable?

[balmy condor]

sure

you'll replace it next week anyway

go wild

have fun

[weary spear]

lol

whispyr your raid and m+ vids go wild bro. could you do a vid on how to min/max ST damage

[woven torrent]

is gar gar rup gar gar rup with SBS not up , a edge case? in what category does that fall? vanishing in a chainpull while the initial targets still living ?

[balmy condor]

that is in the raid video

[balmy condor]

i dont get the question

if you dont' have sbs talented

you would need to change your opener

[tall cradle]

guys what embellishments we go for?

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[woven torrent]

when is this the case ? Like how would the pull have to look like?
SBS is up as soon as something dies that has it applied. On every pull i would theortically have it up no? so what would have to happen for this to be applicable

a chainpull? like am i stupid 😦 ?

[old obsidian]

rupture then slice?

[harsh ingot]

i cant solo 8s is this because im bad and stupid and impatient? or is it just hard for rogues

[native fossil]

bs

[solid ivy]

is this also like this in deathstalker AOE situation? sounds strange with sanguine bleeds talented

[agile inlet]

Hi, Pin checker/Lurker here. What do we craft if we're strictly m+ gamer and not gonna touch raid at all? Is it weaps?

[balmy condor]

if you don't have bone spike talented

I just said it

[agile inlet]

Ah i see

lol

[balmy condor]

if you don't have bone spike, you would need to generate after your rupture

since rupture won't fill your cp

[woven torrent]

Ahhh

[balmy condor]

pooling is irrelevant in aoe because you're drowning in energy from all the dots you have out

[main urchin]

i wonder how this will function. will we be able to add another full duration ontop of the buff we get ?

[solid ivy]

and how do u manage, in general terms, a pull of average 4-8 mobs without being able to restealth? bleeds in main target and focus on caustic spatter for AOE? or u try manually rupture/garrote some mobs

[main urchin]

and when it says up to two times. does that mean that we can reapply once the former buff is out ?

[slate crown]

Yes. Every cast has its own independent duration.

And when there is overlap, the effect is increased per stack

[main urchin]

dang, that sounds juicy

but when you say its own duration, does that mean that both effects are ticking down at the same time ?

[slate crown]

Yes

[balmy condor]

bleeds for energy and ct followed by caustic envenoms

[main urchin]

ah, i was hoping it would extend it

[slate crown]

Their individual timers are ticking down at the same time.

It functions like Ironfur or Flawless Form

[balmy condor]

then we would just have 100% envenom duration but with double the buff :P

[main urchin]

fair point

[balmy condor]

its basically identical to ironfur

[main urchin]

yeah, makes sense

[exotic hearth]

Does dawnthread not stack....????

[balmy condor]

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[woven torrent]

is sbs on trainings dummys bugged ? i dont get the combo points from the second one

[solid ivy]

bleeds in 1 mob or bleeds in 4-5 mobs applied manually (i mean, not indiscriminate carnage)

[agile inlet]

!missive

[safe sand]

what's the bug? I was just hitting a dummy and didn't notice anything bad with ER 🙂

[agile inlet]

so i see wowhead says Haste/mastery. If i'm solely M+ guy is its haste mastery b/c we get so much crit elsewhere?

[balmy condor]

depends on how long they're alive I guess, if you need the energy you would spread

[exotic hearth]

Gotcha. Thanks. Got worried for a sec

[agile inlet]

for missive*

[balmy condor]

if you're solely an m+ guy you would crit/mast everything

[balmy condor]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[alpine oracle]

Could someone please check this sim??
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ai9JAPd7mCHirxHBfQowcY

check the trinkets i have, for m+

is telling me to take the candel?

[balmy condor]

yeah

it indeed is doing that

[waxen oyster]

stat proc trinkets are better on aoe for assa than direct damage trinket

more news at 11

[balmy condor]

sign me up for XianiNews

holy

[little cipher]

Anyone have a ST rotation video 3-5min? I'm having trouble keeping good dps after opener/burst

[balmy condor]

burst spec does burst then does bad damage outside of burst

as long as you're close-ish to your target dummy sim

[alpine oracle]

like is candel better than spyglass?

[balmy condor]

you're doing aight

[wide dome]

https://gyazo.com/6c86da6992804c17081758f937be0446

boys we are improving! thanks to this discord.

[iron carbon]

Hey guys, quick question before going to bed : When you got DN up and you start a pack stealthed, prio spread dots with IC then apply marks ? Or Apply marks as first CP spender?

[balmy condor]

at equal ilvl for your character, apparently so

[little cipher]

yeah im not doing good

[balmy condor]

the first

[balmy condor]

outside of cooldowns you just maintain gar/rup/envenom and wait for the next set of cooldowns idk

there is literally 0 going on rotationally

[somber nimbus]

is survival broken

our hunter is killing it

on ansurek

[balmy condor]

they're okay

[iron carbon]

That's what I thought... But it should be proc when? Between Rupture/Garrote and CT or after Caustic?

[balmy condor]

whenever you feel like it

wowhead openers have it after CT/caustic

but if you really want to apply it before that

who am I to stop you

world isn't gonna explode because you envenom'd instead of Ct'd

[alpine oracle]

btw, candle from my game tooltip it says around 2600 crit and the one from raidbots gives 5k, would be that??

[runic hinge]

mine will

[alpine oracle]

or is bug the one from the game?

[runic hinge]

Bring back my ct flair

[somber nimbus]

our opener is so ass

[wide dome]

silken court go caustic spatter?

[somber nimbus]

i feel like i have to do 10 things before even dmg

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

wowhead tooltips on delve trinkets kinda whack

[iron carbon]

Okay, mb, forgot that part of the guide, my apologies

[runic hinge]

it's in the name of the spec

[balmy condor]

it's a fight with adds

so

idk

do you want to do aoe damage to adds?

[alpine oracle]

ohh ill try a sim without it

[balmy condor]

play caustic

[knotty nexus]

no 🙂

[wide dome]

yessss!

[wide dome]

also is that you in your pfp? 😮

[balmy condor]

yes

[exotic hearth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[wide dome]

ur kinda yummy...

[balmy condor]

[bitter solar]

[knotty nexus]

[balmy condor]

that's your opener?

[wide dome]

first time, kinda nervous

[balmy condor]

needs work

[shy pecan]

lol

[tough basalt]

Need to sim that opener some ma boy

[runic hinge]

[fast olive]

i heard someone saying we should save runed crests. am i fine upgrading a hero track dagger, or do i miss out on something by doing so?

[west crown]

High ilvl dagger = good

Hero is good rn

[iron carbon]

Hero dagger, go on

[fast olive]

ok sounds good im sending it then

[iron carbon]

To optimize crest, you should upgrade only stuff 2/6 Hero or higher

[balmy condor]

and if you want to optimize crest you should hold your toothbrush at a 45 degree angle

and make small circular motions

[shy pecan]

[spice surge]

Many such cases

[balmy condor]

lots of people are saying this

[spice surge]

People ultra minmaxxing their gearing and crest usage and then they go into the raid without pots or forget to use deathmark on cd and end up missing casts

[shy pecan]

[thorn fjord]

Ive been spending crests like a champ

[real granite]

i swear raidbot is gonna get rich off muti rogues this season

[thorn fjord]

Fuck the noise

[iron carbon]

[balmy condor]

but if assa rogues sim more, doesn't that mean raidbots needs to pay servers more so they're actually getting poor?

[ripe rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[real granite]

i know a few that already paid the 3€

and im at the verge of it, the amount of talents and gems variation is insane

[royal lantern]

i do aswell, im leeching his raidbots acc

[real granite]

just 300k iterations not enought

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be real with you, if you're not already subscribed and simming yourself vigorously before the pin

you should save the money and ignore the pin

ain't relevant to you

[real granite]

bro

m+ season didnt even started

[balmy condor]

well you don't have to sim for m+

there's 2 builds

3 technically I guess if you're weird

[real granite]

zerocool angry noises

[balmy condor]

the talent nonsense is single target raid bullshit

m+ is so stable it's crazy

you always play deathstalker

and you always play iron wire

and then you're either cringe and play without a trace because you have no concept of reality

or you play resounding clarity

and then you play either of the 2 builds

it's a very straight forward flowchart

[royal lantern]

like, gotta remember

yes, there are techincally 2000000options cus you can do with any form of combination bettwen imp.garrote/imp.poisons/VV etc....

[vale shore]

the only patch note I want to see is something to the effect of "In combat, if you have no Deathstalker's mark up, gain Darkest Night every 15 seconds."

[royal lantern]

but those are really really minor things

i doubt you can even notice them

[bitter solar]

I would like another 45 minute videos from Whispyr about why without a trace is questionable as a choice

[balmy condor]

nah

at this point I have given up on the m+ community frankly

[vale shore]

I think Shadowheart will be meta soon

[woeful wigeon]

is it me or is bleed build m0 ways smoother they hybrid

[balmy condor]

I will offer it as an option like I did in the pins

and if people want to play legit one of the most troll talents assa has ever had

then that's their decision to make

[balmy condor]

pretty likely considering things die in under 15 seconds

[indigo mulch]

Hybrid is the way.

Just like Fatebound is the way.

[balmy condor]

make shadowheart 7 million percent leech from stealth

[plush bronze]

but if i dont take without a trace then what am i supposed to do? come here and yell that the tank wouldnt let me restealth and thats why my dps dropped 80%?

[vale shore]

https://tenor.com/view/shadowheart-gif-3040622816962320009

[indigo mulch]

Shadowheart is bae.

[shy pecan]

It's like whole Blood vs. Iris arguments

[balmy condor]

would fit in with the rest of the clueless M+ players

[normal mist]

thats a skill issue

[balmy condor]

could collect them all

[vale shore]

that would turn vanish into a great heal if you have a lot of dots out!

[balmy condor]

and start like a prayer circle or something

Mplussers anonymous

[thorn fjord]

bing bong

Id pay more if it got me more than 16 mil iterations tbh

[balmy condor]

I'm fairly certain shadowheart doesn't work with vanish

[thorn fjord]

😛

[vale shore]

wow, its ONE conceivable function does not actually work?

[balmy condor]

[woeful wigeon]

last day a tank was chain pulling i said to him bro if you dont let me stealth i dont do dmg guy made a macro stealth now i pull XD

[balmy condor]

sign says from stealth

not from vanish!

accurate!

[vale shore]

vanish gives you stealth though?

[balmy condor]

yes and no

[thorn fjord]

no soup for you

[balmy condor]

from the player perspective yeah

vanish gives stealth

from the code perspective

vanish is not stealth

[vale shore]

but you get both buffs

[balmy condor]

that's what you think

in boss fights you don't get the same stealth as when you're stealthing out of combat

[woeful wigeon]

imagin we are able to get auto stealth when out of combat that wud be so smooth tbh

[balmy condor]

and vanish technically grants its own version

[vale shore]

you just dont drop combat, but its still stealth, isnt it?

[plush bronze]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[waxen oyster]

im gonna be real

[balmy condor]

it's a different stealth

[waxen oyster]

last time stealth really mattered in 5 mans

was legion

with crit lego

[balmy condor]

I mean 8.3

if you played haste

[waxen oyster]

8.3 i played outlaw

[vale shore]

so what, exactly, was the design goal of Shadowheart? Other than to invoke the name of our girlfriend who goes to a different game, in canada

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure

[balmy condor]

crit builds didn't care for 8.3

[waxen oyster]

every key

[balmy condor]

but haste loved it

[spice surge]

It does work with vanish, but not subterfuge or dance

[balmy condor]

placeholder I guess

[spice surge]

So its one global every 2 minute

2% leech

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

reaping flame mfd outlaw snipes

[balmy condor]

thats even more jank

[woeful wigeon]

whispyr whe need bfa corupption back full haste build xd

[balmy condor]

fuck no

if bfa full haste build comes back I'm legit quitting

[spice surge]

Blizzard straightup janking it, and by it i mean rogue talents and spells

[balmy condor]

someone else can have the guides

[royal lantern]

we need echoing blades as a cosmetic glyph

just the sound effect

[balmy condor]

I will never play that fucking abomination of a spec again

[upper spear]

yes

[spice surge]

CT singletarget

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure outlaw was still better in keys

[woeful wigeon]

itw was fun common wasnt that bad

[waxen oyster]

in 8.3

[balmy condor]

it was awful

[spice surge]

Dire straights

[upper spear]

300% haste, bring it back

[royal lantern]

snapshoting exsang with the shrine trinket

[vale shore]

if monks can Spinning Crane Kick to the top of the single target DPS meters, why cant I crimson tempest in single target!?

[waxen oyster]

either double slappers

[balmy condor]

8.3 is unequivocally the worst designed iteration of assassination there has ever been

[waxen oyster]

or slapper+folly

[balmy condor]

and it is not close

[waxen oyster]

7.1

[plush bronze]

probably because there's no proc to make ct 300% more damage

[waxen oyster]

agonizing poison

[balmy condor]

7.1 was heaven in comparison

agonizing poison was so much better

[agile inlet]

Anyone know if they changed embelishment this Xpac? Do the ranks not matter for how much Crit / stats etc. they give? its just difference in recipe difficulty

[balmy condor]

I'm offended you would even compare the two

[balmy condor]

correct

just recipe diff

[waxen oyster]

real reason people care about st in m+

kill boss before it does mechanics

because most of them dont know what they’re doing

[royal lantern]

i hated agonizing more, but thats because i just ignored the 8.3 haste BS and went full crit/mastery corruptions for fun lol

[balmy condor]

I understand the agonizing hate for aoe but also you just didn't play it in aoe?

agonizing in single target was legit just ramp during your opener and then do insane giga deeps

[waxen oyster]

it was just boring

[balmy condor]

it was just kingsbane squared

[royal lantern]

tbf, its a long time ago, most people just remeber not liking it, not in greater details why

[waxen oyster]

also gave you a reason to sit on boss

[balmy condor]

and people fucking love kingsbane

[waxen oyster]

and never leave

[balmy condor]

??????

so assassination then

[waxen oyster]

legion pb is probably my most disliked mechanic

of this spec

[royal lantern]

aka every dps

[upper wraith]

i keep forgetting caustic

help me brain

[next parcel]

where is SoB in sergeant bainbridge

[willow cloud]

So first time rogue this season, but I gotta say, being able to blast in kingsbane window, and then chill, and hope the fight ends up being divisible by 2 minutes in length, is its own kind of gamba rogue.

[balmy condor]

reason to sit on boss and never leave

okay so then weapon poisons, caustic spatter, deathstalkers mark, envenom uptime

[royal lantern]

huh

[waxen oyster]

idk all i remember about bfa

was it was kinda trolling to not play outlaw

in 5 mans

[woeful wigeon]

yep raid leader told me go adds i said go youre self aint dropping my stuff for 10 sec trash fight

[balmy condor]

but assa is add damage this raid

[waxen oyster]

thats just called a bad rl

[balmy condor]

that's why you play assa

[waxen oyster]

if they dont know boss mechanics

ermm damage profiles of specs

Although which adds

[balmy condor]

you're not doing your raid any favors sitting on the boss doing 25% more than the tank

[waxen oyster]

ovinaxx feels like a better outlaw fight

than sin

[woeful wigeon]

yeah but running a marathon for adds that die from ranged in max 10-15 sec i aint gone waste time running

[balmy condor]

it is a better outlaw fight

[fading mason]

if my guild forces me to craft now whats the play dagger darmoon and armor patch? or wrist waist ?

[indigo mulch]

That chat with seli last night just made my dps infinitly better <.<

[royal lantern]

why tf are they "forcing" you to craft

what kind of braindead Raidlead bs is that

[shy pecan]

The play is a new guild

[thorn fjord]

I usually wait till w2-w3 of mythic to craft lol

Fuck that

[shy pecan]

Dude, been hearing like AOTC guilds asking their members for like 585+ ilvl for normal

[indigo mulch]

[shy pecan]

People being weird

[thorn fjord]

ours was 580 for normal 😛

[fading mason]

The entire Raid has to craft with Sparks kek

[royal lantern]

we had a hunter at 570 for heroic

[shy pecan]

Yeah, but you'ore going straight into like heroic and mythic next week so...

These guys barely got normal done this week

[thorn fjord]

got 2 bosses left for heroic... Hopefully AOTC tomorrow

[dim isle]

I'm not seeing Bubbling Wax anywhere in damage breakdowns, details, logs, or otherwise. Anyone been able to confirm this works at all?
(Including looking at damage taken)

[indigo mulch]

We ran normal splits with everyone's alt mains were at 580 and all the alts were atl ike 560ish lmao there was no issue with dps ;s

[willow cloud]

Add fights with outlaw and fury in the group are miserable in h raid

[thorn fjord]

Did wax get fixed or is it still not working?

[willow cloud]

“Crimson tempest” -> 0 ticks, mobs dead

[shy pecan]

And yee, it's like whatever. Just be good and none of this matters

[indigo mulch]

Good question. Since they stealth fixed RC they might have stealth fixed the wax 😮

[thorn fjord]

We couldnt kill mini ghuun without down sizing group to 25 from 30

[shy pecan]

Why would they "fix it" if it's a quest that lets you put it on your weapon?

[willow cloud]

Brood is not an easy fight

[thorn fjord]

Fun fight tho for sure

I like the majority of the encounters in this raid

[indigo mulch]

It didn't work on offhand before.

[thorn fjord]

Least favorite fight is the second one

[fading mason]

has to be on mainhand

[shy pecan]

I mean, fix it as in like "Oh, it shouldn't work in combat"

Probably just bugged out atm

[dim isle]

Relogging made it now proc and show up, lol

[royal lantern]

if you wanna know the REAL shitshow

tanks died on normal Princes

our boomkin went bear form and tanked the last 40%

[dim isle]

so yeah, borken

[indigo mulch]

[royal lantern]

actual chad move from him

[thorn fjord]

fucking CHAD

lolol

[shy pecan]

No comment

[shy pecan]

(I died tanking because I wasn't paying attention to the portal)

[indigo mulch]

So i guess wax works on offhand now?

[thorn fjord]

Thats for monks obviously

[indigo mulch]

monks?

[runic hinge]

i mean you can apply it but idk if it add's a proc chance

[indigo mulch]

I only have it on offhand, and its proccing just fine.

[thorn fjord]

windwalker blade bro

[junior aurora]

today?

[willow cloud]

I’m not crazy about first 4, but last 4 are pretty good. I think court is a little disappointing, but have no doubt mythic will be ridiculous.

[thorn fjord]

Court is for sure going to suck on mythic

[indigo mulch]

I'll sit here and auto attack this dummy for 10min and i'll let you know after another 10min lmao

[willow cloud]

I applied wax to main hand on h ansurek pulls for about 4 hours today, 0 profs

Procs*

There was also something screwy going on with void contract trinket profs — I had a heroic, outlaw rogue had a normal, but his was routinely doing 4-6m more on pulls.

[shy pecan]

Tuesday

[junior aurora]

man i do not remember that

[indigo mulch]

Acording to the TC channel a few days ago Solo said wax wasen't even able to proc on offhand at all. So i dunno D;

[runic hinge]

rip

[shy pecan]

Yeah partly the reason for the wipe

[junior aurora]

smh

[waxen oyster]

outlaw stacks versa

[junior aurora]

i only remember wiping on silken court tbh lol

[waxen oyster]

and bte buff affects trinket crits

that spec always does more with direct damage procs

than the other two

[finite eagle]

Does anybody have a WA that will allow me to move my CP into the middle of the screen?

I wanna keep them exactly how they look/work, just move them

[shy pecan]

Yeah, we did it this morning and wiped once haha

[deft vault]

Do we even use vanish for anything in the Dashing Scoundrel build now?

[magic shore]

!raid

[slate crown]

Someone asked for this a bit ago so I made this janky thing https://wago.io/1o9w_iuw0

[finite eagle]

HUGE! ty bro

[slate crown]

It's janky so use at your own risk, i'm not really committed to supporting it or making sure it works/continues to work was just a quick throw together

[indigo mulch]

It def is proccing now though 😄

on offhand that is.

[ancient tangle]

@balmy condor you activated all raids buffs on your dungeon slice sims

[weary spear]

hey question, should we be timing kingsbane around the lingering darkness hero talent? obviously were not gonna hold it super long but is it worth doing?

[ancient tangle]

isn't it more realistic to desactivate all apart from BL like fuu does ?

[mortal elm]

When we have DN buff - we dont dont wait out the whole chain right? just proc it as soon as?

[normal mist]

We use KB on CD

[normal mist]

without marks on the target your hero tree doesnt exist

[tidal coyote]

sac still bis?

[normal mist]

Sim

[balmy condor]

remove like 10% of the damage from the sims in your head

[olive basin]

With recent/upcoming changes are there any big talent choice changes?

[balmy condor]

we don't know

patch is 2 months out

stuff doesn't even function correctly on PTR

[harsh ingot]

classic

[tough gorge]

I got 4 cloaks in a row from the stupid bountiful delves then rage quit

[ancient tangle]

its actually 16%, i did the sim : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Zo6ivazhfzSWTW4yGz2qc

[balmy condor]

sounds good

[mortal elm]

Im not sure i follow - i was asking if we have the DN buff would we wait for instance the whole 6-8 second envenom chain? or just build to 7 CP and proc instantly?

[ancient tangle]

it is more realistic numbers

[balmy condor]

I mean

who gives a shit though

dungeonslice inherently is an unrealistic number

it's a synthetic situation

[ancient tangle]

ye 😦

but its comparable to the other fuu sims

^^

[balmy condor]

and?

[blazing jewel]

link dungeon slice sim to get invited to my +4 lil bro

[ancient tangle]

its handy

[balmy condor]

for what

[ancient tangle]

comparisons

[balmy condor]

???????

[balmy condor]

comparing what

[ancient tangle]

specs

[balmy condor]

fuck no llmao

[waxen oyster]

comparing irrelevant content

[balmy condor]

comparing specs on dungeonslice

[waxen oyster]

i feel like

90% of stupid takes i read

[west crown]

Proc asap

[waxen oyster]

are coming from an m+ pov

[mortal elm]

Ty

[normal mist]

I've been getting the mark up asap, but surely @balmy condor can confirm better what's the best case scenario

[balmy condor]

we gotta start taking away sim priveledges from mplussers

[waxen oyster]

real

[balmy condor]

you always rush to get the mark back up

[shy pecan]

[waxen oyster]

I keep coming back this quote I found somewhere.

[balmy condor]

based

b

[knotty nexus]

xc'

[balmy condor]

you okay?

[idle pasture]

possibly dumb question but looking for confirmation. I was told ascension embelli is over-simming. trying to figure out my plan for next week is and I was leaning towards the dagger/writhing but wanted to check.

[knotty nexus]

bro i paniced

[balmy condor]

it's simming fine

[mortal elm]

Thanks, lastly if i may - I know we aim to chain for max envenom uptime but if we have high energy, i.e early on in the fight or for whatever reason would we still wait out the envenom buff and refresh as close as possible or can we cast more envenoms in that time, aslong as we dont starve ourself

[balmy condor]

you're chaining out of cooldowns mainly

but yeah

you would slam envenoms

instead of overcapping energy

you want to maintain as best you can

but if you're getting to like 270

and getting nervous

just go for it

[mortal elm]

So aslong as we arent hindering our future self on chain uptime we can slam a few extra if we are in excess of energy, ty for the help

[balmy condor]

np

[ancient tangle]

but why would fuu make this sheet if the DS sims have no values ?

i know it has caveats

and mutliple DR are better

[balmy condor]

DS sims have value

comparing specs is braindead though

sims were never made to support that

and they never will

[ancient tangle]

what do you mean

[balmy condor]

like if you want to compare outlaw to assa or mage to warlock

sims don't do that

like they are simply not made

to do that

[ancient tangle]

but why can't you compare outlaw to assa on a DS for exemple ?

[tawdry basalt]

Hey im new here but not so new to Rogue. IM like super struggling with my DPS in Raid so far. Can anyone like look at my log? See what im doing wrong maybe? im just so confused and getting frustrated

[balmy condor]

because the specs are optimized to different levels, dungeonslice is a synthetic situation that doesn't replace a real dungeon, timing on burst specs like assa versus sustained specs like outlaw are valued completely differently, etc etc

[balmy condor]

go for it

[balmy condor]

even just playing the two is completely different

players inherently do not play at the level of sims

[tawdry basalt]

Do i post the log in this chat?

[balmy condor]

some specs are easier to get close than others

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic hinge]

[indigo mulch]

However it stops working if you die and you have to reapply it.

[tawdry basalt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/avcpQVWgXqGKRtM7 In game name is Talatheseus. I was only present for Queen kill and the heroic kill

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

your mark exploded on both of these kills

47 hits of hunt them down on the first, 77 on the second

you're just playing without a hero talent

[tawdry basalt]

What do you mean

Like im not using it properly?

[indigo mulch]

You prob dropped your mark at some point and didn't reapply it.

[balmy condor]

I would assume you're not reapplying your mark

lemme check

[tawdry basalt]

Okay IM probably just really dumb, but like the only way to apply it is with stealth right? and I used vanish as much as I could

[soft void]

Only way to reapply mark is to vanish right?

[wary musk]

Hey guys quick question. What is the best use of shadowmeld in dungoens? Right now I'm using it to reapply dots in aoe if things are still alive after the dots from the opener end, but idk if there are better uses for it

[balmy condor]

yeah

[indigo mulch]

After the intermission on the first HC boss you dropped the mark and you never reapplied it.

[balmy condor]

you lost your mark 1:40 in

[tawdry basalt]

So im missing an ambush out of vanish?

[balmy condor]

and then never got it back

[tawdry basalt]

then

[golden plaza]

hello, perhaps a dumb question but most openers are ambush into garrote ~ etc, how do you do that without subterfuge? because the guides dont usually talent that

[balmy condor]

pretty sure you applied the mark to the boss right before intermission

and then the boss disappeared

and you just forgot the mark afterwards

[tawdry basalt]

But how do I apply it without vanish

If vanish isnt off cd

[balmy condor]

same thing on queen

[balmy condor]

darkest night

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, but if he dropped it during intermisson when it goes immune he wont get it back unless he vanishes.

[balmy condor]

generally to cheese mechanics

charges and targeted stuff

[tawdry basalt]

Darkest night?

[balmy condor]

yes

the final talent on the tree

[indigo mulch]

The last capstone in your hero tree.

[golden plaza]

[tawdry basalt]

Right well isnt that only if you consume the totality of the first mark?

So basically time vanishes better

[balmy condor]

yes, that's how you reapply the mark

no

time your reapplication better

[tawdry basalt]

So i dont lose it in an intermission

[balmy condor]

I don't get the question

ambush from stealth

stealth breaks

then garrote

[indigo mulch]

So what happend is that you prob thought you had mark up, but you actually lost it when the boss went away and went immune and you ahd to run around and grab meat. You want to try to get a DN proc from the adds so you have it ready when he appears again.

[balmy condor]

^

[indigo mulch]

Or just become a coin flipper

[tawdry basalt]

Okay I think im starting to understand.

Bahaha is Fatebound as good or equal to DS

[balmy condor]

yes

[indigo mulch]

Yes

[tired gull]

https://tenor.com/vdvl.gif

[ancient tangle]

Yes sure but the variance in size of packs and time to live should make it general enough to let the assa spec for exemple burst with different size of packs for each iterations so it makes it general enough normaly to generalize between specs no ? The little pack, big pack (with overlaps that makes bigger packs) isn't general enough to at least compare in a very simple situation ?

of course for more relistics sims you would need multiples Routes instead

[indigo mulch]

It plays slightly different and you want to focus more on mastery then crit but other than that its pretty much the same.

[tawdry basalt]

So if DS mark drops because of intermission. try to vanish or stealth to apply it on something else like an add and try and proc it. So i can apply with an envenom on the boss when it comes back?

[indigo mulch]

Yes

[golden plaza]

i see now, i've been using garrote off stealth for so long that i forgot you can use it without lol

[normal mist]

You aren't applying garrote

[tawdry basalt]

So would that mean if i fully proc and have Darkest night ready I need to not envenom until i can apply it on the boss?

[normal mist]

The whole fight?

[balmy condor]

it always alternates the same, boss into small adds into big adds, then small/big/small/big

assa cooldowns come up basically perfectly after the boss because of the timing

[indigo mulch]

As long as you ahve a mark on the last add, DN will proc when it dies

then you just grab some meat and run to the boss.

[tawdry basalt]

Also is there a WA to monitor DS mark im sure there is but just wanted to know if u had anything specific

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[indigo mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

all of these do

[indigo mulch]

damnit you were faster

[balmy condor]

my gf says the same

[normal mist]

Just to be sure, you also cast garrote during the fight without vanish... Right?

[balmy condor]

I'm always first

winner winner chicken dinner

[tired gull]

rip lover

[normal mist]

You both had the same time. Her bad for being slow

[balmy condor]

exactly

[indigo mulch]

[near meteor]

Hey I had a question about this rotation. I was curious why Deathmark isn't immediately after Rupture to have the duplicated bleeds be longer? Unless the duplicated ones include the full damage of the Rupture/Garrote just shortened? Hopefully that makes sense

[balmy condor]

deathmark duplicated bleeds drop when deathmark drops

[thorn fjord]

Or in live 😂

[ancient tangle]

ah ok i see so the problem is that the burst go into small adds ?

[tired gull]

truuuuuuuuuuu

[golden plaza]

i don't...i've been using the talents that let you cast things 3 secs after stealth and double vanish, this changes everything, i was still pumping tho

[balmy condor]

I mean that is one of the "problems" if you want to call it that

[indigo mulch]

Read through the hero talents again and it will make more sense to you, but try to keep a mark on the last add so when it dies you get a DN proc, then you have 30s to go to the boss and envenom it. If that dosen't work then you just pray vanish is back up. 😄

[normal mist]

The wrong talents

[balmy condor]

like with any dungeon sim, there are specific timings to adhere to, and you can optimize or not optimize around each timing

[ancient tangle]

ok but it should burst into big one after, at 4min no ?

[tawdry basalt]

@indigo mulch Thank you. I appreciate the help. Ill try and figure it out

[balmy condor]

we could in theory spend all of our time optimizing a mists of tirna scithe route

[golden plaza]

yeah i couldnt figure out how people were using garrote and ambush without them, im just dumb my bad

[balmy condor]

and then assa would OMEGA CRANK POGGERS LETS GO

[tawdry basalt]

If i can get a tracker for both Darkest Night and DS mark then i should be fine

[balmy condor]

but it would hurt the integrity of every other sim in the process

because you're overfitting the model

[near meteor]

hmm it still confuses me a bit, I know Deathmark lasts 16 seconds but looking at the duplicated bleeds they look like they don't last that full 16 seconds, I assumed they lasted the length of the garrote/rupture on it before

[indigo mulch]

Grab whispyrs WA, it works just fine. Grab the platter aswell. @tawdry basalt

[near meteor]

sorry im not wording it too well lol

[normal mist]

No worries... Be sure to, if you have the time, read the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

depending on the timing of that iteration, sure

[balmy condor]

well you refresh garrote/rupture during deathmark

[near meteor]

ohhh

so if rupture falls off and I reapply it, if its during that 16 sec period it will duplicate it automatically

[balmy condor]

yes

[near meteor]

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[indigo mulch]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[thorn fjord]

Spend spend spend

[ancient tangle]

so i dont see why the burst side of assa is an issue with dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

ok

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, after applying the "only cast envenom if envenom has 1s or less" rule i feel like my dps and energy management went up by so much D;

I didn't expect it to do that much

[balmy condor]

damage wise it's not much

gameplay wise

very impactful

[indigo mulch]

Yeah

[past forum]

So with the DN change, if you’re playing impless garrote then is vanish still part of the dps rotation?

[balmy condor]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[past forum]

Thanks big dog

[balmy condor]

np slightly smaller dog

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

one chat command after the other

[indigo mulch]

But it also depend on what your playing. Haste dosen't has "low" value for FB for example

but for DS its actually pretty good

[past forum]

The various temporary builds we can play, would they potentially sim higher based on your gear or is it just pick your poison kinda thing?

Like, one higher than the other i mean

[balmy condor]

gear can shift it back and forth technically, especially with haste

but not in a meaningful way

like maybe you get something thats 0.15% higher than another build that bis says is within margin

very cool

but do whatever ya know

[glass hemlock]

No sims, only pumps

[indigo mulch]

In my personal opinion, DS is just easier to gear towards cause all the stats are just good for them lol

[past forum]

I think i like having vanish in my back pocket to fix a tragic blunder, so i’ll probably just stay the course with no imp

[shy pecan]

It's because their profiles are different. You have three specs that have different profiles, even if they all have a BF effect now. Where they do damage all varies and thus why you can't compare them solely based on a number. Like if you need burst damage on an priority add, you're not gonna get that with outlaw. But if you need sustain, you won't get that with sub.

[indigo mulch]

?

[balmy condor]

?

that ain't how that works

[blazing jewel]

[runic hinge]

[shy pecan]

And stats aren't as impactful as you might think they are Shiio

[indigo mulch]

All the stats are pretty good for DS.

You can basically just equip the highest ilvl of your gear and you'll be more than fine

[waxen oyster]

which is really nice when you multispec

[chilly merlin]

can someone explain what it means by vanishing to apply a mark? doesnt the target already have one

[indigo mulch]

But if you compare it to like FB that actually have more gains from crit due to deal fate while DS has lower gain from crit due to Darkest Night.

[waxen oyster]

The only annoying part about multispec is how outlaw and sub have a polar opposite relation with mastery.

[novel veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

the envenom ate the last stack

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[strange python]

do we take resounding clarity now?

[ancient tangle]

(what is BF ? ^^). Yes i understand that totally and it is how the specs are truly played but for a starting point isn't it useful to just see how they do in a general situation ? it can be a starting point to reasoning on how it would be in reality with proper gameplay

[indigo mulch]

Yes.

[strange python]

ty

[indigo mulch]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[ancient tangle]

multiple Dungeon Routes would be more accurate tho of course

[shy pecan]

Blade Flurry. Sin's version is Caustlic Spatter and Sub's is Nimble Flurry. And it's not. Because there's a lot of different situations that happen in dungeons that you can't just assume that highest number = good. In a dungeon, if you kill all the small adds but keep the big one up for 2x as long as if you were able to focus/burst down the big guy while using the smaller adds as a resource, you're wasting time in the dungeon.

You can use it for a way to compare potential talents or gear within a spec. But not spec vs. spec.

It's like how we don't take 5 minute patchwork fights as bible for how a spec performs in raid. Because it's not always going to be 100% truth. There's downtime, there's important burst phases, there's adds that you might have to deal with.

[wide ferry]

Select more items to resolve possible constraints comes up when i try and sim rune branded armband with dawnthread embelishment on it. I have rune branded waistband w a dawnthread on it already. Would this be conflicting somehow?

[novel star]

do you have a 3rd crafted item somewhere

only 2 embellishments allowed

[wide ferry]

foook yea i have it on my boots. thank u

[novel star]

otherwise idk

mmm

np

[balmy condor]

just opening yourself up for new argument of "but everyone sims 5 target patchwerk, look at this simulationcraft chart"

[ancient tangle]

yes ok i understand, but the funnel is not implemented in the APL of the specs ?

[balmy condor]

round and round we go

[wide shuttle]

Is caustic splatter damaging from the enemies radius or your radius?

And is it just 8 yd range same as bf?

[balmy condor]

enemy

[novel star]

enemy

fuck you whispyr

[wide shuttle]

Owned

[balmy condor]

promise?

[shy pecan]

Whospyr

[novel star]

ofc babe

[indigo mulch]

I know a really nice spreadsheet with some nice builds from a famous TCer in the rogue community all super well done Dslice builds.

[silk bane]

i love whospyr

[balmy condor]

[silk bane]

so much cooler than that whispyr guy

[fast olive]

how is my rupture in details showing 7% but raidbots showing 11% while uptime is 98% for both? my garrote shows normal for both though, so i don't think it's deathmark. is there something i'm missing that buffs our rupture damage?

[balmy condor]

mama mia

[indigo mulch]

[fallow canopy]

[runic hinge]

Ds feels so much smoother to play now

[novel star]

yeh

[indigo mulch]

it does yeh

[shy pecan]

Whispyr or one of the TCs can answer it, but has ways it deals with AoE and what not. Not sure about funnel for dslice, but.

[soft shale]

you can put a priority target=1 sometims it needs some tweak

[ancient tangle]

it is for dungeon route i suppose tho ?

[balmy condor]

priority_target is a bit finnicky

[indigo mulch]

blizzard pls let me play coinflipper 😦 I'm just not getting the gear i need to make the swap to fatebound 😦

[balmy condor]

doesn't do anything for assa atm cause I ripped it out of the APL during 10.2

with caustic spatter a lot of the funnel is just like

do what you normally do

but also deathstalker

[atomic veldt]

okay i'm fully ready to get clowned on, i'm brand new to rogue this expansion and my damage is low, we're doing prog on H Queen
i think i understand pooling, and i'm not convinced i fully understand it
rogue isn't my main but i was asked to play it cause we're full on heals

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v1TZfHQxVnatKNjD#fight=37&type=damage-done

doing more pulls so if i don't respond i'm sorry

[balmy condor]

I'm talking to the raidbots guy and a simc dev about adding support for simming priority dps just like

baseline

but that'll take a bit

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor are you changing to a scaley rogue

or a geodude

[indigo mulch]

Gekko rogue for lyfe

[pliant remnant]

[balmy condor]

oh boy

another log review

another mark disappearing

what do you know

[novel star]

i feel like this is close enough that it’s not worth that much worry honestly

[soft shale]

the chosen onE!

[indigo mulch]

RISE UP COIN FLIPPERS!

[shy pecan]

This also kinda hurts a bit during your DM window...

[balmy condor]

the more logs I see the more I just want to just like

change all the recommended builds to fatebound

cause this shit ain't it

[indigo mulch]

Yes

Do it

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

I have seen horrors this week

[shy pecan]

Yeah, probably better for folks new to sin

[soft shale]

the sub ones are also cool with the if you use 2 finishers before DN for some reason it just goes away

ADIOS

[indigo mulch]

[soft shale]

or outlaw/sub too with the charge on coup

I HAVE PLACES TO BE

charge dies

[indigo mulch]

I'm not even sure why more people aren't playing Fatebound

[soft shale]

they dont like tails

[indigo mulch]

I don't think i've seen a single Fatebound sin rogue since i started lol

[soft shale]

also it bugs out other specs

[shy pecan]

Because they see bigger number from DS and/or see RNG and think "Not playing fatebound!"

[limber creek]

chad coin flipping Two Face class fantasy vs virgin buff micromanager

[novel star]

coin flipping cringe or whatever and ds simming better for most people

[balmy condor]

I was the only fatebound rogue on heroic logs when we were doing our run on tuesday

[crude sequoia]

when i first played sin i used fatebound cause its just passive damage, you don’t gotta do nothing lol

[balmy condor]

legit 1/250

[indigo mulch]

LMAO

[novel star]

also presence bias insanely

[soft shale]

the truly chosen one

[indigo mulch]

Wait did you swap to FB on queen?

[balmy condor]

nah

[indigo mulch]

Boo

[balmy condor]

I played fb on the first 3-4

[novel star]

people look at logs and see fatebound like 100k lower cause there’s 3 fb players

and many other specs in the game have only one viable hero tree so it’s fair to just assume sin would be the same if u aren’t reading tbf

no one reads

[indigo mulch]

Just not having to bother with intermissions and losing your mark because you fuck something up i just very comfy ;s

"oh noes i didn't have DS up for queen intermission" bye mr mark.

[novel star]

just play vv

[indigo mulch]

While that sure is a skill issue. Its something that will happen to a lot of people progging that fight. :S

[balmy condor]

just play dn

[novel star]

i’m going to play vv and hold ambush even when the bug is fixed

fuck you whispyr

[balmy condor]

damn

[novel star]

play with my bauls

[balmy condor]

but my beautiful opener graphic

[novel star]

how much worse is it anyway

.7?

[balmy condor]

like 0.7 or 0.9 or something

[shy pecan]

what's dn?

[novel star]

kk

[balmy condor]

dunkin nonuts

[novel star]

yeh i’m def losing the .7 for safety vanish lmao fuck that dude

[indigo mulch]

Dankest Nuts

[balmy condor]

just play without a trace

safety vanish obtained

very based

[void mesa]

playing without a trace

[novel star]

of course

i talent into 2nd vanish and only press one on cd

LMAO

[indigo mulch]

So, i need a project to do. Anyone have any ideas what i should code? I have this itch to create something but i honestly don't know what i should create D:

[balmy condor]

yes

very based

[novel star]

jesus christ u cooked

ds is saved

[balmy condor]

create some bitches

[void mesa]

damn

[indigo mulch]

Easily done with ChatGPT 😄

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

4o is supprisingly good at tricking people ;X

[shy pecan]

Create code that will create an APL that's reasonable for any specs

[indigo mulch]

uh

[balmy condor]

we already tried that

and by we

I mean not me

and by tried

I mean it was awful

and gave me great pain

[indigo mulch]

Like simulating whats the best button to press?

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[indigo mulch]

I mean to be fair, that sounds horrible to do. You would need to code half a neural network to get that working correctly. Even if i got it to work it would still prob be sub optimal.

[novel star]

well make it sin optimal instead haha

[slate crown]

You could simply not.

[balmy condor]

make a neural network to code weakauras

[novel star]

haha

[balmy condor]

and then lisonna gets replaced

[indigo mulch]

_>

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

Noone can replace lisonna though. 😒

[balmy condor]

lisonna can replace lisonna

[shy pecan]

Shhh I wasn't gonna say anything about that project

[balmy condor]

I have no object permanence

not that lisonna is an object

that's just the term

for the thing

I would never say that

[indigo mulch]

Wow now.

[balmy condor]

you know what

I'm gonna play maplestory

[novel star]

weird vibes…

[indigo mulch]

Imma play some Green Hell.

[runic hinge]

don't objectify the mods

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

Ur kinda yummy...

[void mesa]

[strange python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

maybe too soon for that callback

[indigo mulch]

[runic hinge]

heard chef

[balmy condor]

or too late

[arctic socket]

have been progging on queen since 10am

this fight is wild

[balmy condor]

illness

[void mesa]

are you.. good??

[arctic socket]

No

im out of gold

[indigo mulch]

You know what, i'm going to play some leauge of legends, its been years since i played.

[arctic socket]

i cant repair

im stuck in org

in all red

[balmy condor]

illness

[void mesa]

even worse illness ngl

damn

[arctic socket]

RAN THROUGH 300 pots

[idle pasture]

this seems like the single worst idea known to man

[indigo mulch]

But maybe its all good now. Maybe people have turn a leaf.

[ancient tangle]

@indigo mulch how about a boss APL creator from the logs of the boss ?

[balmy condor]

oh god

not this shit

[ancient tangle]

to create custom fights

[balmy condor]

keo is cooking sims but all the ingredients are molded

[ancient tangle]

i mean a custom figths

with custom raid events

[indigo mulch]

I wont touch anything regarding any APL's. Whispyr will most likley be able to do it 1000% better than any code i'll be able to create.

[fluid pendant]

is having more than 6 combo points useful? i lvl boosted out of the last xpac and i have 7 now but ability tooltips dont say anything about 7 combo points

[balmy condor]

pots looking like a fucking resident evil monster

[rotund jungle]

Whispyr, did u already crafted or still waiting?

[ancient tangle]

i meant custom raid events

[balmy condor]

yes, they scale just fine

[arctic socket]

Hey whispyr can you explain to me why necortic wake trinket sims 10k higher for me over signet

(with eggsac)

[ancient tangle]

to recreate real boss fights

[balmy condor]

yes, that doesn't work

[ancient tangle]

😮

[balmy condor]

you'd need to also have a custom APL for each one of those custom fights

we've been over this

[balmy condor]

I haven't crafted, no

gonna wait on vault at this point

I should've probably crafted

but cba

[shy pecan]

Overfitting is bad

[balmy condor]

unless it's clothes

[shy pecan]

True

[ancient tangle]

ho damn ok, thats a shame 😢

[indigo mulch]

I created a knife and a belt, but only cause i didn't get any drops -_-" I still haven't seen a belt drop so far.

[balmy condor]

I mean

that's kinda good

btw

I wish I haven't seen like 4 belts

[indigo mulch]

[arctic socket]

can i complain about not getting any bracer drops?

[waxen oyster]

I've seen like 4 cloaks from delves

2 pairs of boots when i have crafted pvp ones

[balmy condor]

no, you don't get to complain

[arctic socket]

😦

[balmy condor]

you willingly raided for the last 13 hours

only thing you get is gulag

[arctic socket]

whispyr can you come bail me out with 100g so i can repair my rings

[indigo mulch]

I got this one earlier. Actually pretty legit cloak.

[waxen oyster]

13 hours wtf?

[arctic socket]

had to go to the bank and sell old purples

lmao

[velvet nacelle]

man i get the "class fantasy" of applying poisons but with all the other QoL stuff they've given everyone else, poisons should just be a toggle now

[arctic socket]

i have been progging herioc queen since 10am est

[balmy condor]

rings don't have durability you shall not tempt me with your lies siren

[novel star]

having to click lmb 4 times per hour is not a big deal idk

[arctic socket]

my bad i meant boots

got my toes out n shit

[balmy condor]

[velvet nacelle]

it's not and i have a weak aura in case i don't remember but it's just annoying

[arctic socket]

help

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

[velvet nacelle]

like if they made it one time toggle or whatever i don't think anyone would complain

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635

[velvet nacelle]

"i miss re=applying the same poisons! waaah!"

[novel star]

what type of feet are those

[arctic socket]

Oh right

[balmy condor]

dracthyr feet

[novel star]

oh wow…

[arctic socket]

didn't i say i would post feet when er got fixed

[novel star]

step on me dragon

[arctic socket]

orc

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

no shot

[novel star]

step on me orc!!!!

[haughty flicker]

how did you think those were dragon feet

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor

[haughty flicker]

whispyr fake feet fan

[balmy condor]

sorry I'm not a fucking world of warcraft foot inspector

[novel star]

well

[haughty flicker]

i expected better from you

[velvet nacelle]

@balmy condor that's not what it says on reddit...

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't be surprised tbh

reddit has said some outrageous things about me in the past

that wouldn't even register in the top 5

[indigo mulch]

Like.. sandbagging s3 sims so rogues wouldnt get nerfed?

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor can i keep my promise?

[balmy condor]

stop

[novel star]

i think some would ngl

[velvet nacelle]

you're probably right

there's always someone

[waxen oyster]

but why

[novel star]

most people just don’t care already

and it would feel bad for those who do care

so meh

[slate crown]

yo wtf imma have to fight myself

[shadow patio]

Whats the best way to handle SIlken Court on Heroic

idk what to do

[sturdy python]

I feel so vindicated seeing those outlaw nerfs

[waxen oyster]

it's like a 2% nerf

[sturdy python]

Was almost considering swapping

[indigo mulch]

Hit the monsters infront of you.

[novel star]

it’s like 2%

[waxen oyster]

literal slap on the wrist

[sturdy python]

D:

[spice spire]

I’d bet against you

In a second

[balmy condor]

STOP

NEIN

[novel star]

outlaw nerfed 5% without tier, 2% with