assassination

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

so many talent builds being so close rn is kinda sick

even if its due to another bug

[dim estuary]

For delve what talent do u use ? M+ aoe or ST ?

[novel star]

definitely m+ talents

prolly just standard hybrid one tbh

dont think delve difficulty is particularly skewed towards trash or bosses overall

so hybrid is fine

[golden loom]

Can also respec just before boss right to single target

[rain berry]

hii, bubbling wax vs algari mana oil for raid?

[dusty zenith]

says dont use bubbling wax on off hand

mh fine

[rain berry]

okey ty

[novel star]

i'd recommend just not using bubbling wax

even on main hand it often doesnt proc

[bronze flicker]

outside of KB do i press envenom at 5 or more combo points to keep refreshing the dot ?

[novel star]

mana oil is cheap so just use that

[novel star]

refreshing the buff* but yes, we dont have enough energy to mash envenoms

[bronze flicker]

i was meaning 5 or more to refresh and only go for max 7 when got darkestnight up

[novel star]

yeh

[little hollow]

guys what emblishments are best for assa is it the ascension and wrists or something else?

[low kernel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[little hollow]

thanks

[woven torrent]

what is the desired rap count on chain pull? 5 enough even on Big packs? so like when i cannot vanish in between

[normal mist]

5

[novel star]

you rupture primarily for energy and scent of blood

so nothing really changes

just have to apply them manually

[safe shale]

What level are crafted item currently / roughly at? eg if i wanted a new dagger

[echo condor]

is there any penalty having twice the same enchant on both weapons ?

[novel star]

nop

[zealous wolf]

Did anyone craft the 610 pvp weapon? Is it worth it?

[novel star]

i did

depends on what ilvl your mainhand already is

i had a shitty one so i got like +5%dps from it

[zealous wolf]

606 both daggers, one is 4/8champ i think

I guess its worth it, not too expensive

[novel star]

then you wont feel much

[strange python]

dont be like me and craft the int dagger cause that sims terribly

[spice surge]

If you got nothing else to craft go ahead

[novel star]

you almost certainly have other things to craft tho yeh

just sim all the different options tbh

[zealous wolf]

idk what else to craft tbh

[novel star]

wrist+belt with dawnthread is good

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[zealous wolf]

I got boots+waisr with dawnthread

[novel star]

oh

[zealous wolf]

since i got hero wrist

[novel star]

then you extra dont need to craft a dagger

if you arent even puttin an embellish on it

[ripe carbon]

same with me

[novel star]

just keep ur current crafts

[ripe carbon]

i just did it cause of costs

[zealous wolf]

ye but 610ilvl for cheap idk

Also cheap upgrade

[ripe carbon]

simmmed dagger + writhing and it was better dps wise

[novel star]

i mean if you got gold you wanna spend

and you want the 4ilvl without gambling hc drops

then its obv just an upgrade

but not a huge one

[ripe carbon]

i have a feeling ima get a heroic dagger

[zealous wolf]

8bosses normal i got one item 🙂

[empty citrus]

Why is crit the worst stat, seems counterintuitive

[novel star]

its not

all of our stats are good but if you have to put them in order then crit is the best one

[woven torrent]

is there actually a case where u have No DN and No SBS or is this sort of a edge case thing

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[empty citrus]

I thought Sin was Vers > Mastery > haste > crit

[ripe carbon]

thats sub?

[novel star]

maybe forever ago but not right now lol

[empty citrus]

I've been buying mostly crit pieces tbh

[novel star]

actually i dont think thats ever been sin

[empty citrus]

Hell yeah

[novel star]

oh lmao

yeah idk u must be looking at the wrong guide

where did you get that info from

[ripe carbon]

i dunno if it is but vers/mast sounds like sub

[slate crown]

It's not

[zealous wolf]

sin is almost all stats the same xd

I love that we dont need missive for crafta

[novel star]

but crit is good

[empty citrus]

I'll try and find the guide I used

[novel star]

more crits more cp more damage yipee

[empty citrus]

I'm glad because I bought all crit pvp gear

[novel star]

for future reference you should only really look at the wowhead guide

[empty citrus]

And then my friend told me crit was worst

And then I checked a guide and it verified what he said

[novel star]

the icy guide is okay too but it's just not as up to date

[empty citrus]

So I was panicking

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

nahh ur fine

ur friend is just talking shit

crit is good we like crit

we like everything

[empty citrus]

Okay

So vers > crit > mastery > haste?

[pliant remnant]

[empty citrus]

But like you said haste isn't even bad

[ripe carbon]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

the stats command has a prio

in it

but you cant rely on that to gear as sin really

we dont have any insane stat or any garbage stat

sim everything you get

[empty citrus]

Okay thank you

[novel star]

if you look just at the prio and try to follow it like the bible you'll end up pumping valorstones into bad pieces. for example earlier sims had me getting 0.2% more damage with a vers gem over a crit one

cause my vers is really low

etc

[novel star]

whats this?

[karmic gazelle]

New apm chart

[novel star]

i see

makes sense

reprimand

[karmic gazelle]

Feral sitting at 52 and assassin deathstalker

[novel star]

dev is really that low huh?

i guess they spend a lot of time charging stuff

i dont know wtf evokers do

tbh

[marble hemlock]

About what?

[pliant remnant]

Tell us why the EU has tethered bottle caps to bottle necks, and how it is beneficial, mister Europe.

[past forum]

Mostly just spit red and spit blue

[safe shale]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[green elk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[nova aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[safe shale]

Thoughts, do we think this updgrade is worth it?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gQsiQyPABjKGF5KYwzDi28

[novel star]

i mean yeah 3% for one slot is pretty big

main hand upgrades are always gonna be big

if you wanna spend the gold on it or not is up to you but

[tepid iron]

It is good the weakauras from whispyrs?

[novel star]

yeh

has everything

[novel star]

very up to date

[tepid iron]

thanks

[crisp reef]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[errant night]

guys, what m0 dungeon is the fastest and easiest? want to fill 2 more dungeons in great vault

[fallow estuary]

is there a way to deactivate brann in delves?

maybe get him stuck at the entrance or something

[novel star]

probably grim batol

that place has two mechanics

the fixated add and the dragon knockback

that or mists which has one mechanic

the maze

[errant night]

hmm

thanks!

[novel star]

really it just depends on your group tho

[gusty mirage]

The attached cap to plastic bottles

[novel star]

any of them except like stonevault and the cities arent gonna be bad

even arakara only bad for last boss but if ur playing with ppl who know what theyre doing its a fast one

[quaint dragon]

anybody knows if Spelunker trinket can stack when other ppl have it?

[ripe carbon]

i just spent loike 30mins simming and i been doing in m+ spec instead of single target -.-

[novel star]

classic

[errant night]

maybe i'll try grim batol

[exotic hearth]

Are we safe to craft embellishments or are they still being tuned and hold off?

[karmic gazelle]

Heads up maintance soon

[fallow estuary]

if this was league of legends i'd report brann for griefing about 100x allready

[errant night]

what for

[novel star]

the tuning update probably

[karmic gazelle]

Yeah delves changes

[quaint dragon]

wait it isnt live yet?

[novel star]

[karmic gazelle]

About to but didnt countdown didnt go

[zenith coral]

i thougt was usually 10am

[thorn crater]

US or EU?

[karmic gazelle]

Both idk

[novel star]

i mean maintenance was supposed to start 19 minutes ago

on na anyway

but im still logged in

[hazy horizon]

only a report ? nicest lol player

[novel star]

so

[nova aspen]

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[slate crown]

yah it hasn't started

[marble hemlock]

The ones you just tear off?

but whispyr aint wrong. almost all plastic bottles here have a deposit on them, and then you return them to any supermarket or a bunch of other places, and you get the deposit back. that way they limit waste, and having the cap come off would just mean more waste elsewhere, instead of returning it with the bottle (ideally, but it also takes like a minimum amount of effort to tear it off)

[novel star]

fatebound st didnt change at all

[rotund jungle]

So with the ER fix we play just one point in Lethality and 1 point in Resounding clarity right ? or do we change more?

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[novel star]

yep

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[rotund jungle]

ye for sit

[tepid iron]

any combat dealer as maxdps that you recomend?

[fallow estuary]

exacto

[somber nimbus]

is it worth to save vanish to apply deathstalkers to adds away from the boss for instance on bloodbound horror?

[novel star]

[novel star]

you can also take clarity in m+ and its completely fine

and more fun

[outer marten]

So I’m curious about something. Generally on use stat trinkets are good for use because they line up with CDs yeah?
I ask because I got a champion Candlestick from delves this morning that’s sitting at nearly 3700 haste on 2min CD. Looks like maybe it was buffed since the WoWhead guide was made?

Obviously won’t be BiS once we can do keys, but thinking it’s good to use until I can get one of the S tier trinkets

[novel star]

ye

just sim it

if it sims good use it

[outer marten]

Fair enough, should’ve just done that lol. Haven’t had my coffee yet

[novel star]

im using heroic skardyns cause it sims like .5% better than anything else i can put in there

[lusty thicket]

Are servers down or when will they be?

[novel star]

up rn

scheduled maintenance was 40 minutes ago but they just didnt go down

[nova aspen]

im doin a wq atm

[novel star]

so

[lusty thicket]

Interesting, thanks

[nova aspen]

they were like oh malarki is logging on every1 cancel the maintenance

[crisp stream]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[mystic mirage]

hello guys what 's the best enchant for weapon

[crisp stream]

Authority of depths

[royal cloak]

authority of the depths

[mystic mirage]

radiant no ?

thx bois 🙂

[royal lantern]

depths very slightly better in ST, radoant very slightly better in AoE

[fallow estuary]

~~ritual knife (603) outsimming 606 Sac?? Damn

(i know it'll change since both got nerfed but still, did not think it was better than sac)~~

Im stupid, sac sims higher (even tho its extremly close)

[mystic mirage]

thx tryan

[twin bolt]

Yo guys, how often to we need to change targets as assassination rogues in m+? Very often?

[novel star]

not much

you dont really want to switch targets a lot

since you get insane damage from cranking envenom into the spatter target

[twin bolt]

Okay sounds good

[novel star]

technically its optimal to tab around to different targets while spreading bleeds even with IC

and required without ic

but like other than that ur mostly just mashing on one guy

[misty hare]

Hey, what spec is preferred among Assassination and Sub for pvp? Also , is there any guide on pvp?

[zealous wolf]

DID THEY FIX T HE BUG???

deathstalker

[novel star]

Yes, ds feels really smooth now

[zealous wolf]

OMFG

[novel star]

i was a ds hater but i see the light now that er is fixed

[somber nimbus]

if i pop nightsbane and i have a last GCD to either use a last envenom at 5 cps or hit another mut to consume DN, imagine i would want to envenom still during the kingsbane window

[novel star]

no your kingsbane is already max stacked at that point

play for dn

[somber nimbus]

wait what

[novel star]

kingsbane poisons only stack the damage up to 50 times

[somber nimbus]

so how m any envenoms would that be

im lost

[novel star]

its rng

[somber nimbus]

so how do you know it will be capped at that point

[novel star]

its most likely that it would be

[elder bolt]

is there a place where i can find crafter for 610 pvp gear without spamming /2 on a dead server...

[misty hare]

Envenom doesnt stack Kingsbane. it just helps with subsequent applications of poison, which in turn help stack the kingsbane

[errant night]

guys please i need advice. i simmed my gear and the website told me that this Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife (which gives 3.182 agil but sometimes takes 3.407 of a random secondary stat) would be better than Ara-kara sacbrood (593). is it worth replacing? i have candlestick with this knife but i don't know.. it's literally the worst trinket as the guide says

[empty citrus]

Oh @novel star I never specified. My question about stats for Sin was for pvp. Icy veins says crit is worst

[novel star]

and even if its not it doesnt matter, kingsbanes stacking part is a dot

if your choice is between not having hero talents for like 4s or optimizing the last 2 ticks of kingsbane

[somber nimbus]

oh just prioritize DN regardless

[novel star]

by barely any %

you just want mark

yeh

also

[zealous wolf]

do we play resounding clarity now?

[novel star]

darkest night insane envenom damage

means

insane spatter damage

so even more reason for it to be higher prio

always get the mark back up

if u dont have mark ur dmg is piss xd

[misty hare]

anyone?

[novel star]

try the #pvp channel

[misty hare]

oh didnt see that

thanks

[novel star]

everyone here is pve gamin

[umbral pike]

Noticed that when tanks chain pull in dgs, basically means Im sobbing and spamming CT

[novel star]

not at all

that is terrible gameplay

[fallen arch]

Not really no

[novel star]

you dont get your mark up with ambush

ideally you only ever ambush a single time in the entire dungeon

but RP ruins that

you just do the first mark with ambush and reapply with darkest night for the rest of the run

for chain pulls just manually apply your ruptures without IC

and then ct and normal mashy rotation

[somber nimbus]

so i guess this answers my question that perhaps i should save vanish to have DM up on a priority target if add stays up long enough to matter for instance on bloodbound horror adds

[novel star]

probably yeah

[keen furnace]

why are these random F tier delve trinkets simming higher than the 606 BiS trinkets, i had 603 candle and 610 blade trinket

[novel star]

since the builds are so close right now you would just like

not play imp garrote on a fight like that

so you can feel better about holding vanish for add phase ambush

[errant night]

Simulation told me that this ritual knife + candlestick is better than ara-kara sacbrood + candlestick

i don't understand..

[novel star]

then use it

[vocal minnow]

your own fault if you value tierlists of any kind

[novel star]

the reason the delve trinkets are low tier is because you cant get them in myth track

delve vault caps out at champ track

[keen furnace]

wowhead and ice veins make a bis tierlist not by guessing?

[novel star]

no its because of ilvl

[vocal minnow]

the tierlists are there because smol brain people love to click them

[keen furnace]

610/603 vs 606/606

isn't big diff

[novel star]

its not

about

that

dude

the bis list assumes BIS

NOT HC WEEK BIS

BIS

[errant night]

not everyone has time to check themselves

[novel star]

MYTH TRACK MAX UPGRADE BIS

[warped lily]

!addons

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[vocal minnow]

thats fine - but just be fine with being wrong then

[novel star]

theyre not gonna update the tier list

every week

because oop heroic is out

now oop mythic is out

theyre just making tier lists and bis lists for when it actually matters

which is great vault/mythic week ilvls

[keen furnace]

still crazy that some ilvl diff can make such a big difference between S and F

[novel star]

ultimately the tier list is pretty arbitrary and ur overthinking it

theyre in F so you dont overthink it

the simple answer is even if they sim decently theyll never sim the best long term bcz ilv

so theyre not worth thinking too much about

so theyre in F

[errant night]

so should i listen to the sim and continue using ritual blade + candlestick, or replace it to sacbrood + candlestick?

[novel star]

its mostly just fake tho like idk

sim it and use whatever has a bigger number

[errant night]

i feel like in the most responsible moment it will take 3.5k of crit and there will be no burst

but 3k of constant agility is great tho

[somber nimbus]

ideally how many envenoms should we fit in the kingsbane window,

[cyan summit]

Is caustic splatter better vs ST ?

[novel star]

idk as many as you can i guess

[somber nimbus]

really overthinking this with the kingsbane window I think

[novel star]

yep

what really matters is 100% env uptime

the exact amount of envenoms is whatever

you wanna mash them during shiv but like

other things can still take priority over it (dsm like mentioned earlier)

[cyan summit]

How do u keep it up 100% when u run out of energy vs boss fights ?

[novel star]

you dont press tea outside of shiv

also pooling

[somber nimbus]

because im saving my tea during shiv windows obv but I seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on envenom so much during that time because i feel im not helping my dmg if im not envenoming as much during that window

[cyan summit]

U only tea with shiv ?

[novel star]

yes

[still tree]

I keep getting the stupid Imperfect Ascendency Serum 1 track higher, literally right after upgrading the previous track. Explorer into Adventurer into Champ. Luckily(?) I don't think it goes higher than champ track, but at this point I've kinda accepted the stupid Grim Batol trinket will never drop and I'm just gonna be pressing this 1.5 sec cast for the next month or so

[novel star]

because it gives mastery and running out of energy isnt that big of a deal outside of cds

so both of the things that tea gives u just align better with using it to mash env in shiv

[cyan summit]

Should I just macro shiv / tea ? @novel star

[novel star]

no

i mean you can if you want

[somber nimbus]

bro i was thinking on what abilities i could macro together but I don't think I can lol

[novel star]

but it wont be ideal cause youll overcap energy doing that sometimes

you dont wanna press tea if ur gonna waste any energy from it

[somber nimbus]

not at least optimally

[soft shale]

i have bad news it can come in hero track from the bountiful map

but it is not a bad trink!

[somber nimbus]

assassination has a lot of butttons man

[still tree]

I just got my first map literally 30 minutes ago

[somber nimbus]

that you have to press

[still tree]

fuck me I know exactly what it is going to drop

[novel star]

sub is way worse

[soft shale]

oh boi

[errant night]

i got 2 of these today

[soft shale]

if it drops please link ahaha

[errant night]

and 1 on the fist day

[soft shale]

im drying my hair i need some entertaintment

damn you lucky i only had 1 drop with main

[somber nimbus]

i mean i played sub before I thought you could macro some of them though

[soft shale]

and dropped a shit trinket

[somber nimbus]

not sure how it has changed

[soft shale]

well sub only has like 1 real macro

others are dps losses kinda

[celest egret]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[still tree]

at least if it happens I get to keep turning into a cool spider person? that's kinda fun

[soft shale]

the spider person does naruto run btw

if you go above 70% ms

[cyan summit]

For the last 2 bosses in the raid , is it better to use caustic splatter ? @novel star

[somber nimbus]

i think caustic splatter would be best in all scenarios

i mean if you wantt your priority targets with max damage especially in heroic and mythic

[still tree]

caustic on silken court is stupid good, haven't done heroic so maybe you pull the bosses apart more? But even then the fact that it kinda double dips with the shared health is probably too busted

[safe barn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tulip heron]

Has anyone found a good use for this trinket yet? Seems a bit tricky to manage

[soft shale]

it is decent for sub

but i cant see it for assa my frend

[tulip heron]

Just seems a bit sweaty to keep an eye on just as a buff in the corner with loads of others

[exotic hearth]

Quick mark question. Should we only use charges at 7 cp or is it still 5+ (obv you need the full 7 to refresh it)

[errant night]

i fucking don't understand how

[hot fulcrum]

because of other stats? Raid buffs in sim? Not the same flasks that you use etc

just ideas

[soft shale]

knife very good trinket and 2 min on use is not bad

what happens there

[rotund oak]

looks perfectly fine to me

[soft shale]

yea

[rotund oak]

arakara trinket is ok for dslice anyway

u want grim batol and sob trinkets anyway

everything else is meh

[novel star]

no idea i havent raided yet. wowhead should have builds for each boss somewhere

[knotty dust]

wrist or belt to craft first?

[hardy venture]

!pool

[exotic hearth]

Which is your weakest slot

[hardy venture]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[hardy venture]

😕

[strange python]

where has tricks of the trade gone?

[knotty dust]

they're honestly both equally weak lol

[hardy venture]

I use this. There is a WA for it as well. I bind to DM so I just click that again to drop it

[knotty dust]

literally same ilvl stats everything

[rotund oak]

[exotic hearth]

3rd row. Generally guides are saying blackjack instead

[rotund oak]

more outlaws and subbies than actual sinners in the chattuh

[strange python]

ah thanks, it's just to spam on brann during delves, apparently makes them a cakewalk for us

[trail locust]

Outlaw is best

Change My mind

[rotund oak]

cringe

[errant night]

i'll try to get them next week

[exotic hearth]

Are we getting a reset this morning or nah? I don't wanna do the hallowfall fishing until I know lmao

[knotty dust]

holy #$%@ I never thought of that I've been buying tanks

[errant night]

see no sense to get them now

[trail locust]

I mean go do dungeon once If you want

[rotund oak]

its a gap till the mythic track but its a start

[trail locust]

You get it or you dont

[terse orchid]

Other choice node talent is so much better

[errant night]

i went

no skardyns

[trail locust]

Doublelift would have gotten

[shy pecan]

You take that back

[errant night]

but i think i'll leave everything as is

[strange python]

^ , it's just to spam on brann during delves, apparently makes them a cakewalk for us

[trail locust]

Oh shit

[terse orchid]

Oh yeah for delve it's great

[trail locust]

Umm outlaw sucms

[soft shale]

brann has had its things weird he got buffed then nerfed then buffed again

[exotic hearth]

Generally yes, but for delves I would 100% say going ToT is the move

[terse orchid]

Only if running solo, but yeah it's very nice then

[rotund oak]

bro slaps zekvir

lvl 30

[soft shale]

he got nerfed and buffed yesterday it was funny

[rotund oak]

yup

[echo latch]

Until the mob doesn't have a threat table and just laser focuses you and does 2.8m melee attacks lol

[terse orchid]

Do you run him as dps?

[soft shale]

when he was nerfed he died in 2 hits

now idk

[terse orchid]

Because as a healer he ain't doing shit

[soft shale]

i did delves quite early yday

as a healer you need to do the dmg

[errant night]

btw guys, what keys should i do to get something like 616-619 on trinkets?

[soft shale]

but dps is better

[rotund oak]

yeah amorphic+ the deadshot thingy

[soft shale]

grim batol trink

[errant night]

i want this skardyns and the other one

but only from next week

[terse orchid]

How do you deal with him not healing?

[errant night]

because this candlestick and knife suck

[soft shale]

what knife is super op

it is even getting nerfed next week

[rotund oak]

3mil dps.. dont need to heal if he deletes everything

[soft shale]

it was that much ahead of everything

[errant night]

nah

[rotund oak]

[safe shale]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[terse orchid]

Lol true. Guess I should have faith

[soft shale]

what nah a 606 was better than most 619 trink

[novel star]

but didnt you just post a screenshot of the knife simming good like 3 minutes ago

[echo latch]

Have they fixed Delves for sin yet?

[soft shale]

he does not abide from numbers

[errant night]

yes but i still think that random 3.5k of crit given away (even for 10 sec) is bad

[novel star]

why

[soft shale]

it procs so rarely

[novel star]

we like all stats

[rotund oak]

they fixed delves for everyone friend,there isnt a specific hotfix for sin and delves

[soft shale]

some people get 1(one) proc in like 20 mins

[errant night]

dunno... still there are better trinks to get

[novel star]

based on what

[soft shale]

yea let me kill mythic ansurek

[novel star]

feelings or sims

[soft shale]

brb

[rotund oak]

feelings duh

[warped lily]

/wa

[novel star]

ik u think or feel or whatever that losing all those stats would be bad

[warped lily]

/aura

[novel star]

but the sims include you losing the stats

[rotund oak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[echo latch]

So everything in delves 8+ still hits for 1.2m melee and 2m chain spell casts, with 30% of the mobs un Trick'able?

[novel star]

and the sims tell you its better

[errant night]

i didn't know

then i will rely on it

[soft shale]

well now you know praise the knife

!

[errant night]

haha

right

and candlestick ofc

[rotund oak]

no thats what the hotfix is,mobs scaled down properly and u can party up now

[errant night]

which makes me a bunch of wax

[rotund oak]

wax isnt waxing fam

i gave up

[echo latch]

So for solo it's still pretty brutal?

[rotund oak]

if ur brann is high lvl enough he destroys everything

its ok i guess

for me kinda easier coz i have the beta experience,kinda know what im doing

[hallow plaza]

HI guys , a question which one is better in term of Mythic dungeons and raids ( deathstalker or fatebound?

[haughty zephyr]

any way to use the default personal bar with whispyrs plater profile?

[echo latch]

Mine is 25 and 8s are do-able but in 9+ I'm not really PLAYING the game, I'm just tricking Brann and using defensives and running away half the time. I don't think the mobs are intended to melee for 40% of my HP every 2 seconds.

[rotund oak]

ive done up to 9 and i could prolly do 11s which is rly brutal and requires alot of gear

[echo latch]

On top of that, every other pack ISN'T trick'able, so I just have to run away until they target brann.

[rotund oak]

my brann is lvl 30

i dont bother

cba with tmog

[drifting hare]

does echoing works with crimson tempest?

[rotund oak]

nothing to offer

[novel star]

yeah

works with any damage finisher

[rotund oak]

every finisher

[echo latch]

I want the xmog for the plane.

[novel star]

so like, anything except kidney and slice i think

will take animacharge

[wide ferry]

So tldr were back to grouping up for delves?

[shy pecan]

It’s okay. You’re not playing outlaw so you’re safe… for now

[wide ferry]

I just tried the myco whatever the f t8 solo delve and theres too many tight groups to cc and sneak through without shit hittin the fan

And dumb f brann undoes my cc everytime

[rotund oak]

ild rather snipe cheap materials from AH and print gold from crafts rather than waste 15min for every delve pull

no thx

maybe later on

[somber nimbus]

w/o improved garrote am i just using vanish on cd to apply garrote if nothing else? my priority target would already have DM so i wouldnt ambush unless im using it adds?

[trail locust]

Phew

[cloud basin]

Guess I should go look at the new m+ builds incase anything changed lol

[trail locust]

Yeah i dont think i could ever prog on rogue

[raven sonnet]

anyone know how to add sockets to neck? 🙂

[upbeat gust]

is this spec running 5 pieces of tier?

[trail locust]

Its just too op

[cloud basin]

The jewelers item

[soft shale]

there is an item from the ah to put 2 sockets on neck

may be a bit pricer

[novel star]

bladee and mythic 0 spam.... what a time to be alive

maybe i like this little chungus life

[trail locust]

Yeah is like 8k or smth

Setting something

[elder bolt]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[rotund oak]

PvP its where the game is rn

Sub rogue,Frost mage,aff lock,FDK-UHDK,shaman(all 3 specs work)

fury warrior if u like getting killed by everything

[warped lily]

any of ou have this bug, sometimes dungleon objectives hide

[plucky thistle]

Suffocating Darkness, What is it or from what?

[bronze flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[onyx rock]

Authority of the Depths

[novel parcel]

Depths weapon enchant

[plucky thistle]

Ah

Ty 😄

[queen egret]

Am i greifing myself longterm if i upgrade a champion track dagger with runed harbringer for a 613 weap?

[soft shale]

not really next week harbinger crests are useless kinda

as m0 drops hero track

[queen egret]

i mean runed sorry

would cost 30 runed

[soft shale]

if you can do that content sorry

yea dont craft with the ones that are hc level

you will needs lots of those

and the weapon is like 619 if you do it with those? still not worth

[queen egret]

yeah

[soft shale]

unless you are terminally stuck in hc raid or m+ lower than 8

dont do that

[queen egret]

alright

would just be for loggs

[soft shale]

if you want good logs wake up at 6 am on tuesda/wednesday for EU do m+ until you can craft 636 then enter hc with that

you will roll all noobs

[dim otter]

they fixed echoing reprimand and darkest night?

[soft shale]

yes but there is another bug

just keep that one in mind

[dim otter]

whats the other bug

[soft shale]

although it is more L for sub

from PIN

basically if you have DN up you cant get mark and consume it anymore

[novel star]

ye doesnt really matter that much

and if you play improved garrote it doesnt exist

[uneven summit]

Is there a certain point to use ER or just slam

[novel star]

on cd

landing on the animacharged points is basically a proc

[uneven summit]

fair

[novel star]

you cant control it much

just slam it on cd so ur always rolling the chance to get value lol

[spice spire]

Slam

[uneven summit]

and still no reason for resounding clar in m+ right?

[novel star]

its still good and more fun

imo

[strange python]

best race for assassination?

[arctic cove]

YO, if Darkest Night is up, i dont ambush from stealth anymore right?

[novel star]

pick based on animations and theme unless youre in a top 50 guild if not higher

but, orc/mechagnome

sim the best

[rotund oak]

mechagnome/orc

[novel star]

dont waste your money on it tho cause its not by much

[strange python]

thank you!

[novel star]

racials hardly matter its not worth the 25 bucks or wahtever lmao

[strange python]

oh shit i pressed purchase on orc race change before i seen this 😭

[novel star]

🤐

[narrow basalt]

Like 1-2 minmax damage% I believe

[novel star]

ye

panda vs orc was like 1.8% for me or something like that

[narrow basalt]

Closer to 1% according to whispyr the wise

[novel star]

pretty irrelevant. id play 5% worse by being on an ugly fucking orc

instead of a chill ass panda girl

[echo latch]

I'm sorry, people are saying they "fixed" delves, but this can't possibly be the gameplay loop that was intended. Also, meeting objectives that are actually impossible to complete, forcing you to restart the delve. Are they scaled better in Combat or Sub?

[narrow basalt]

True haha

[narrow basalt]

Panda rogue is diabolical 😭 still kinda tuff tho

[novel star]

male panda id agree

but the fem ones legit have the best envenom animation in the game and its not close

[quartz cloak]

I tried yesterday a delve T8 as outlaw trickster and using 1 hour tricks on brann, that worked out well

[novel star]

at all

[echo latch]

Did trick work on all mobs? I'm still experiencing like 30% or so mobs just WON'T target brann

[novel star]

look how cute she is

waow

[narrow basalt]

Drippy

[strange python]

fuckkkk im edging

[narrow basalt]

🗽

[quartz cloak]

Can just vanish then, but I didn’t really notice and stuff. Sometimes they still target you with casts I think

[echo latch]

Vanish isn't working for me half the time either.

This shit is a struggle lol

[true thistle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[quartz cloak]

Hmm, usually you should be able to „tank“ a few mobs with evasion here and there. I finished it fine but it was just one, gonna try out more today I think

[queen widget]

Any pins/links for the best macros on assa pvp?

[narrow basalt]

I havent really looked at all the animations. Maybe I should. I have a fem belf, and a male dark iron, and now 2 earthen. All sin rogues 😎

[novel star]

i pick race pretty much exclusively off animations

[inland gate]

yo they fixed the hero talent

[novel star]

a cool model means nothing if the animation looks weak

[quartz cloak]

You maybe find some in the PvP channel

[novel star]

yep :) feels smooth as fuck now

[pine grove]

What uptime does the Dawnthread sim assume on Raidbots? 80%?

[strange python]

what was wrong with it?

[twin bay]

female undead frontflip finisher is BiS

[narrow basalt]

True. I love the zandalari troll model, but their stinky ass feet are out 😭😭 why did the invention of boots escape the whole continent?

[novel star]

eh i dont like it as much

[pine grove]

ER wouldn't count towards consuming the marks/DN.

[novel star]

its like overanimated while also being underanimated

the fem panda envenom has way more flare and is just a smoother better made animation

without seeming like its trying as hard

if that makes sense

fem undead is one of the best ones but it still just cant compete

[narrow basalt]

Huh I see

[uneven plume]

Is it all good to bump up our crafted wep?

[novel star]

all preference ultimately

[uneven plume]

With runics

[novel star]

panda envenoms are pretty like long animations

compared to some of the other ones

but i think thats a good thing it makes the button feel more impactful

[narrow basalt]

So is it just envenom anim you are looking at? Wv the rest?

How is panda stealth run 😂

[novel star]

most of the rest are shared anims

[hardy venture]

We get 2 months of it before the patch. Really hoping they don’t go through with the echoing changes.

[novel star]

stealth looks great its my fav one

[novel star]

i think new reprimand will feel better

[hardy venture]

What is it exactly? I am just a Stan of the current

[soft shale]

it feels way better

when you shiv next 2 finishers finish with 2 extra cps

[novel star]

its just your next 2 finishers after shiv act like they consumed +2 cp

no more rng crit minigame

[soft shale]

and there is 1 point to make them 3 points stronger instead of 2

[narrow basalt]

Kill ER 👍😁 Sign my petition.

[queen egret]

if we use this trink , we want to channel it before going into our cds ?

[west crown]

The fact that ER can be used to apply darkest night is something I didn’t expect but is great

[soft shale]

yes channel it before

[novel star]

yeah you would cast it before doing env->dm->shiv->kb

and get crazy agi during the whole burst window

[queen egret]

thats a little akward

[novel star]

what other race strikes fuckin poses this sick dude

literally none

[narrow basalt]

Bring back sepsis 😤

[queen egret]

but i guess its worth it - sims 1% over other options

[novel star]

pandaren are BY FAR the best animated race in the game

its actually fucking ridiculous how good it is

male panda arms warrior anims are nuts

[hardy venture]

20 on this fucking Deathstalker again lol

[arctic socket]

Are you a female panda enjoyer

[novel star]

yeah

[narrow basalt]

This sentence.

[crisp pine]

Agree

[hardy venture]

Also NE Female the only choice for animations.

[novel star]

nelf so boringgg

[hardy venture]

Dwarf for warrior

[novel star]

the envenom has no impact

[crisp pine]

I like fem undead honestly

[narrow basalt]

Dark Iron tho

[hardy venture]

The spin slam???

[hardy venture]

Actually haven’t seen yet, but that yeet 360 is hard to beat

[echo latch]

Nelf Female is bis

[novel star]

consider:

[pine ore]

whats the point of usage of vanish during kb window considering we already have death mark on targeT?

[arctic socket]

To reapply improved garrote

[narrow basalt]

Dark iron is my fav race for warrior. Its very thematically cool and awesome 😎

[crisp pine]

Man that is sick lmao

[novel star]

ITS SO GOOD

NO OTHER RACE LOOKS THIS SMOOTH

AAAAAA

[agile geode]

.

[crisp pine]

Dont make me racechange to fem panda pls

[narrow basalt]

Evoker rogue enters the chat

[pine ore]

build on wowhead doesnt use one

[novel star]

their envenom is just some filler shit on ptr rn i think

[hardy venture]

Man of culture here

[crisp pine]

huh, what's the env animation for the dragon form actually

[crisp pine]

ah

[novel star]

at least it felt like filler

cause i fully forgot it already

[hardy venture]

Considered. Ignored. 😛consider the jump fly though

[arctic socket]

I don’t want to answer this wrong not sure if @balmy condor has updated wowhead builds

[crisp pine]

Male is belf female is human right?
Their visage form i mean?

[narrow basalt]

Idk, I hope they delete dracthyr. Dumb lizard man lookin ass.

[arctic socket]

We used to ambush to kinda double dip apply mark

[pine ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293068036750180354/1284548316398358548/image.png?ex=66e70858&is=66e5b6d8&hm=2a10b6664dc7c3bece7fc300f947b2e591d03dff2cca0dccf728acaa5b0aad93&

this sentence doesnt make sense at all

[novel star]

eepy

[arctic socket]

How

[hardy venture]

Apply deathmark while having invigorating shadow or w/e the huff is called is still bugged

[novel star]

the entire text opener section is garbage and whispyr (the guide writer) would agree

[pine ore]

alright, but what do i run at low ilvl (600ish) garrote build or poison

[novel star]

he literally added that line with all that fluff on it because he was mad that the togglers are so clunky to use

[novel star]

sim it

[arctic socket]

600ish is low ilvl

[hardy venture]

If M+ basically hybrid always until high level

[novel star]

^

[pine ore]

only raid

[novel star]

in raid the builds are ridiculously close right now

[hardy venture]

That changes boss to boss

[novel star]

look at pins or, again, sim yourself

[novel star]

also this

[pine ore]

dont think rogue will exist in m+ anyway

[arctic socket]

There’s raid builds for each boss you could use

[novel star]

you are wrong

sin is kinda bad in st right now and insane in m+

[hardy venture]

Wrong but good hottake

[novel star]

times have changed

piece by piece we have slowly built up to a really fucking strong aoe toolkit

[pine grove]

It's like we took a bit from a scrapyard every expansion and eventually made a working car. 😄

[novel star]

literally lol

[hardy venture]

And that car is honestly hella fun

[crisp pine]

I do wonder how our strong aoe toolkit is gonna look when we get to really high keys and every bossfight takes like 4 minutes

[arctic socket]

Wouldn’t the bleed build be better to use until higher keys

[novel star]

insanely fun + good numbers + iron wire utility

[arctic socket]

To pad with sudden death

[hardy venture]

Even better honestly.

[arctic socket]

That’s when we spec hybrid

[novel star]

i mean, in high keys its perma tryan+fortified combo

so

[hardy venture]

Being able to get full kingsbane benefit on packs is something I’m waiting for with excitement.

[novel star]

its not like ur gonna just not be valuable for a week cus its tyran and then it flips

and in +10s for vault it wont matter

[crisp pine]

that's a fair point honestly

[pine ore]

well numbers alone might not be enough, considering there are again 1 million void zones in melee and rangeds are chilling in turret mode

[hardy venture]

Just run with a fury and go Sub for a week 🤷

[pine ore]

but lets hope for the best

[novel star]

if you wanna switch specs to sweat optimize your weekly vault slop

then go ahead i guess

but im not doing allat

[vapid terrace]

Go sub? Gross

[pliant remnant]

I mean literally skill issue though

[hardy venture]

Honestly melee issues have been greatly over exaggerated imo

[lofty nymph]

What you guys think, Assa or Sub will dominate this season? Or to early to say it ?

[uneven plume]

You can’t convince 3k peak meta slaves to stop exaggerating

[pine ore]

if top groups run rogue it will be meta, otherwise eta gg

[hardy venture]

Raid is Sub so far, Assass M+

[pine ore]

in all cases anyways

[hardy venture]

Fuck Combat

[vapid terrace]

We need 4pc across the board to really know

[uneven plume]

Once the streamers determine the meta. It’s over

If rogue is A tier and not S. It’s pretty much gg

[lofty nymph]

Yah, let's see I guess

[hardy venture]

Oh. On the PTR Echoing; will you get 9CP on a full stacked finisher?

[agile geode]

almost 2 bosses are sin fights

[hardy venture]

Just a note: assass is fine in raid

[hardy venture]

Court felt good as assassin.

[agile geode]

rashanan too

[arctic socket]

Heroic or normal?

[agile geode]

all difficulties

[hexed frost]

All bosses are assa bosses when you're on reclear

[twilit lagoon]

Court didn't feel that great to me, but it could've just been our positioning.

[novel star]

dont think we know yet tbh

but it sounds like it should work that way hopefully?

[arctic socket]

Court felt amazing to me

I was cranking

Ended fight 1.2m

[novel star]

i mean its prolly testable but noone wants to cus its so far away

[hidden vector]

with assassination sims being terribly bugged - how do you weigh stats vs ilvl?

[hardy venture]

Thinking Sub Rogues getting 14 CP evis on cloths in PvP lol

[hardy venture]

You can get almost 100% uptime when both bosses are out.

[bitter shuttle]

anyone else having massive problems with the bubbling wax? its like it stops working on death / in delves / after zoning in or out of dungeons

[hardy venture]

Only time is really during debuff drop

[novel star]

sims dont really have anything to do with it, all stats are relatively equal

you have to sim every piece

the "terribly bugged sims" are just sims including all of the bugs that actually exist ingame

so, theyre accurate sims lol

[cyan summit]

!wa

[weak hearth]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[lofty nymph]

You guys have any fixes against frame drops?

[cyan summit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[twilit lagoon]

Yeah, that was my hope, but I rarely had both bosses in range.

[novel star]

generally ilvl > everything

but it depends

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hardy venture]

Blame tanks. Like always.

[dreamy parcel]

So echoing reprimand is fixed on live??

[hardy venture]

Oh! Also the adds are easy to dot with Bomespike.

[hardy venture]

Yup praise be

[past forum]

If it doesn’t come pre-nerfed in pvp surely they will add that in

[radiant shadow]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cyan summit]

can someone send me a good kings bane

WA

[pine ore]

but still the question if i do not play improved garrote talent, do i even need to use vanish in st?

[cloud basin]

So those WAs we have listed, do they help at all? I usually don't use them for class things

[bitter saddle]

IMO yes

[hardy venture]

What do you mean? Like a cooldown timer?

[vapid terrace]

I had one in DF that had a line for when to use shiv instead of watching timers

[cyan summit]

like shows u the timer of ur kings bane , and when to shiv

[hardy venture]

The shiv timer is static really. You use it immediately after the first drops.

[pine grove]

Does Raidbots assume 80% uptime on Dawnthread sims?

[novel star]

you set the %

70% is prolly a safe bet

[vapid terrace]

We don't have 2 shiv talent all the time

[pine grove]

Oh. What's it at by default as I've not set anything.

[hardy venture]

The Wysiper WA also shows a big yellow circle around shiv when you need to use

[slate crown]

!wa - if you want the timer bar check out the "Collection" link here, it has a link to a timer in it (It is the timer that many used during DF)

[prisma monolith]

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[gritty rain]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cloud basin]

Hmm I guess I could try to use a WA and see if it helps things. I'm trying to not use a rotation helper(I know how to play lol, sometimes I get turned away in a chaotic fight and it helps)

[slate crown]

I mean really this is kind of the point of WAs. All WAs for class packs are "rotation helpers" in the sense that they help you do your rotation

[pine grove]

60% by default apparently.

[slate crown]

which is different than "Tells you exactly what button to push next"

[novel storm]

Hey all, have they fixed er bug with not consuming cap? Cuz it worked 100% of times during my raid today

[slate crown]

which most WA packs don't explicitly tell you, they let you solve the puzzle to answer that question by providing pertinent information

[pine grove]

Fixed.

[novel storm]

Fuck yeah, it felt amazing. Sin is the shit

[hardy venture]

Echoing is fixed.

[pine grove]

Yeah. It's so much smoother now.

[vapid terrace]

Fixing that was such a huge QOL improvement. I'm so happy

For DS

[pine grove]

Yeah. Making me consider going away from FB again.

[queen egret]

My sim says its not worth to use different alcari gems for the mainstat gem - i find that sttrange since our stats weights are so equal - anyone have the same scenario?

[flat oasis]

someone help me. I'm newbie assa rogue and I'm having a really hard time to get used to the spec. What is the most beginner friendly guide here ?

[grim jay]

wowhead

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

or whispyrs videos on yt after you read some stuff

[flat oasis]

yeah I saw that but it was too detailed

[elder blaze]

I just read the last pin. ER fixed good. But whats this bug with vanish and ds mark?

[hardy venture]

I’d watch the video then. The rotation isn’t “easy” compared to others like Fury or Ret

[iron lynx]

!spark

[hardy venture]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[robust axle]

Just dont use Ambush after Vanish anymore, back to Garrote

[elder blaze]

Okay, got it.

[hardy venture]

If you are 1stack of DS on the Target, but also have the Shadowbuff you don’t get the reapply.

Sorry wrong reply Cruz

[robust axle]

Yes, so don't use Ambush after Vanish anymore 😉

Ah np mate

[hardy venture]

Or if you are dumb like me, open with it on new pack loolol

I do that so fucking much.

[robust axle]

I mean same, just want to make sure I have a Mark rolling

[hardy venture]

I need to either get a cancel aura or get fucking good to take advantage of the damage lol

[grand trail]

that working ER feel very good

[earnest tree]

this trinket is bugged or? never seen it proc

[robust axle]

Even with ER working, do we still need to force 7cp on DN? Havent been able to test it

[abstract needle]

is it me or CS is bugged?

im testing on a dummy and it just doesnt proc

nvm im stupid

i didnt had poisons

[crisp pine]

Classic

[clear nexus]

whats cs

[robust axle]

Spatter

[crisp pine]

Counter Strike

1.6 I believe

[clear nexus]

ah

[pulsar abyss]

Crusader Strike he's lost

[hardy venture]

I haven’t needed. Land on that blue boy and send it

[abstract needle]

i have to say, played outlaw today, and this shit isnt even near assa dmg

[floral mural]

DN?

[abstract needle]

i have no idea how people even play outlaw and not losing their minds with all those APM

[hardy venture]

Darkest Night.

[robust axle]

So no need to force 7cp? Nice

[slim tundra]

this does work iu use it the ball is just tiny

[floral mural]

Deez nuts, ok chat ban me

[distant plinth]

Worth it 100%

[abstract needle]

any elvui users? searching for a non cluster ui profile

[tired gull]

ER works with DN

[robust axle]

[spice spire]

What’s DN

[queen egret]

Feels so much better with ER fixed in terms of energy starvation

[robust axle]

Darkest Night

[tired gull]

deez

[steel ridge]

nuts

[tired gull]

NUTS

[spice spire]

It’s actually deez nuts

[tired gull]

makin ME quake

[spice spire]

Dog?

[spring socket]

is Waning Candle trinket ne good just dropped in a delve ?

debating to upgrade

[tired gull]

sim it

[hexed frost]

Is this the accursed meta build?

For keys

[robust axle]

Nah

[hexed frost]

No scent no iron wire

[hexed frost]

Whispyr shared it

[robust axle]

Oh shit thats a feelsbadman

[novel storm]

Bleed build is go to for the upcoming mythic week? Talkin bout m+

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

Take Zoldyk
Take iron wire

Nice choice blizzard

[raw cobalt]

!talents

!talent

[grim jay]

no

[raw cobalt]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[strange maple]

tricks of trade doesntr work on healer brann ?

[novel storm]

Which one is is then, hybrid?

[hardy venture]

Tricks feels so wonky on either Brann honestly.

Ambush open doesn’t even give brann aggro

[boreal lichen]

is it possibel to get more then 25 coffer shards from 1 radiant echo ?

[novel storm]

Ive gotten 29 max so far

[fathom minnow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
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[severe sparrow]

Are delves still solo possible with tricks? I keep hearing mixed things but my friends are big spectrum of ability and none play rogue

[hardy venture]

Yes with using our full kit.

[raw cobalt]

think its worth crafting emelishment gear now?

[fallow canopy]

maybe a silly question but what is the vanish bug that whispyr mentions on the pinned msg?

[queen egret]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[grim jay]

easily

[hardy venture]

So if you have Deathmark up, and the. Vanish and Ambush it can drop entirely after using a finisher.

[fallow estuary]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c8adAcbx7ojuWrJUe6aRfa

Are trinket updates in sim allrdy?
If not i probably HAVE to play sreum... since its allready 4.5k ahead before sac nerfs

[hardy venture]

Similarly, if you have Darkest Night Huff, but also have Deathstalker at 1stack on the target, using a finisher with 5+ will not reapply Mark

[fallow canopy]

oh that's not good

[grim jay]

well it doesnt matter anymore

its gone

[spice surge]

You definitely want a 2 min on-use

[hardy venture]

Is it?

[spice surge]

Ideally the one from grim batol rather than serum, but serum is fine

[grim jay]

yeah because you cant consume marks if you got DN up

[tough geyser]

Psure was pinned last night

That it was fixed*

[fallow estuary]

grim wasn't to fond of me so far.. haven't seen the trinket yet

But aight, serum it is

[wide shuttle]

Is anyone here able to solo delves above 8

[loud trench]

is it worth crafting the belt and bracers with the carved crests if i dont have enough of the heroic ones or just wait

[novel storm]

@grim jay how is bleed not go to build for say <5 m+?

[fallow estuary]

yes but takes FOREVER

[wide shuttle]

I feel like I'm getting 3 shot in 8s and having to giga sweat to live through single packs

[gritty rain]

Hi. Given the build for assa rogue from this image, how do you cast multiple garrotes from stealth if we dont have subterfuge? What exactly am I missing

[fallow estuary]

basicly only pull larger packs if evasion is ready

[wide shuttle]

Damn I was worried this was the way lol

[jolly heath]

Play outlaw/sub trickster and trick brann, I cleared delve 11 with it

[hardy venture]

Thank god haha. My dumbass reapplies with DN up

[grim jay]

well firstly its kinda irrelevant on <5 because that lasts for 2 runs and secondly you are undergeared the entire way

so the definition of "low keys" doesnt work as good

[hardy venture]

Sap the right target. Trick to Brann. Feint/cloak etc. aoe blind gouge

[grim jay]

in the first few days

[novel storm]

So hybrid is go to in higher?

[grim jay]

well its not going to be much better to do so, you will still wanna consume dn asap and basically wasted a gcd on ambush

[grim jay]

should be

[wide shuttle]

Okay will admit I forgot gouge was a button, the rest I was doing

[novel star]

i mean gouge is a choice node with aoe blind so you never take it

[grim jay]

you dont need gouge

[novel storm]

And just to make sure, gameplay is completely same, its just that hybrid works better when things live longer right?

[grim jay]

in all honesty I wouldnt do delves on sin tho

[wide shuttle]

I was thinking of doing outlaw instead and then playing sub on the boss to just one shot it

[grim jay]

hybrid works better if you can utilize your cds in packs and has more ST

[grim jay]

unlucky, you wont oneshot it either way

always takes some time

you mainly would want to swap for trickster 1h tricks

and thats better to do on sub

than on outlaw

[keen spruce]

Low keys = anything less than my current maximum. High keys = the highest my group could carry me through. Sweaty no-life nerds = any keys higher than what I have done