assassination

[ripe carbon]

my avg was 81 but no queen

[tired gull]

I was happy with my 93 kyveza but the rest were meh

[subtle tundra]

woah nice they made ER work

[still stone]

i just noticed that. thats why i came here

but then i saw queen parse

[tired gull]

Feels very nice

[still stone]

so i wanted to share mine lol but yeah mine works

[drifting basin]

if people are already running 2x dawnthread, what's your guyses uptime in normal/heroic?

i had 74% in normal and havent done heroic yet which is quite worrysome

[tired gull]

Mine would prob be about 30% if I ran it

[sick smelt]

do we use crimson tempest on 2 targets?

[drifting basin]

not horrible

but not good

[subtle tundra]

im 2x dawnthread rn but probably will switch to ascension later in mythic prog

so uh next week

[balmy condor]

yes

[ocean ferry]

What exactly got fixed for ER?

[subtle tundra]

chek da pin

spaghettiiiiiiii

[pine grove]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[narrow basalt]

Rowg

[steel ridge]

For deathstalker?

Aint no way

What a time to be rogue

[fickle lotus]

did wax get fixed as well?

[steel ridge]

Is resounding back or still 2/2 lethality?

[lunar wave]

Question: is assassination close to or beating outlaw in mythic dungeons currently ? I saw outlaw is demolishing the other specs in raid :/

[vapid geode]

!tier

is there a command for the tier damange increase

[balmy condor]

2%

[indigo comet]

with this fixes sin should be good to switch on now right?

[balmy condor]

1% each

[indigo comet]

to play deathstalker

[thorn crater]

whispyr just read pins

good lluck wth the mayhem folloowing

i dnt envy you

[novel star]

i don’t imagine the bugfix is more than like 2% max

but idunno

whispyrrrr!!!!! help!!!!

[normal kindle]

IS IT SAFE TO CRAFT BOOTS? and which embelishment i should put on it?

[indigo comet]

im waiting for this

[novel star]

oh it’s in pins already

[hot tiger]

check pins, bug fix doesn't even give 2%

[novel star]

don’t help

[thorn crater]

tier important kek

[novel star]

yeh not surprised

[novel star]

i mean outlaw was getting less than .5% from theirs iirc

so could be worse

[stuck ridge]

did the fixed the bug with echoing reprimand and darkest night?

[novel star]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
• Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
• Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
  "it's not a bug"*
• Yes it is.

[novel star]

oh LOL

command needs updating

yes it is fixed

look pins

[thorn crater]

nteressted to see when we get reliable data on dps rankings for raid. pprolly after mythic week

so i would assume we are adjusting out opener now

to get going faster since we dont need te consumption for a stack

[rotund oak]

opener might vary considering u have to sim 8 diff builds as whispyr mentions on the pins

[thorn crater]

maybe just vanish for the ppandemic imp garr

[rotund oak]

like sim ur stuff,check whats best

[charred salmon]

Yeah what a load of bullshit

[thorn crater]

though in the non imp garrote build vanish is useless no?

it provides nothing

essentially a swap target button

or am i trippin?

[balmy condor]

if they don't revert the change that they changed earlier because it was bad before the changed changed change

then yes

vanish is useless

[thorn crater]

then i would assume that imp garrote might pull ahead.

[balmy condor]

yes

but I'm assuming that's an unintended change

[novel star]

sim it

[keen spruce]

[thorn crater]

ii mean thats common logiic u dont have to sim to knoow that making a 2 min cd button useless would result in dps loss

[crisp stream]

Reference to the last mark not being consumed with DN buff?

[balmy condor]

because like during the beta, the marks were able to be applied on top of marks, so sub was like perma 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3

during dance

[thorn crater]

fun

[balmy condor]

and then they were like yeah that's dumb

so they changed it

and that's when we got vanish -> ambush

but now we're back to 3-3-3-3-3-3

kinda

[icy osprey]

did I miss some changes

[novel star]

pins

[thorn crater]

i mean no stress for you, you an outlaw player now

[rotund oak]

whats the 33333 stuff?

[thorn crater]

i got the receipts

[rotund oak]

i dont get it

[crisp stream]

Marks

[solar orbit]

Due to ER bug being fixed, do we go back to capstone on ER and reduce lethality to 1/2?

[rotund oak]

[keen spruce]

I heard there was a new duck

[rotund oak]

sim urself friend

[keen spruce]

With shoes

[balmy condor]

so yeh, there was a bug, they fixed it, now they fixed echoing, but they also re-added the bug that they fixed

so I assume that it's not intended

and they're gonna fix it back out

[solar orbit]

how?

[balmy condor]

it's pretty awful for sub I hear

[thorn crater]

unless iit was intended to not consume stacks during DN for a debuff you do not yet have

[balmy condor]

cause for sub it's like a big problem

[balmy condor]

yeah that sounds real dumb though reading that out loud

[rotund oak]

u mean how u sim ur talents?sim them individually friend,different trees on your top gear

[thorn crater]

i mean yeah

blizz and new spell design

[novel star]

!how2sim command surely

[thorn crater]

small indie company gotta lower expectations

[novel star]

nah that’s not common enough nvm

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[dusty zenith]

Any new updated builds with the bug fixes ?

[novel star]

oh waow

[balmy condor]

you fucking doubted me

never doubt me

[deft shore]

You gotta sim unfortunately - I am coming in 15k higher on Lethality/VV than Resounding Clarity/Sblades

[thorn crater]

does the faq have all te possible commands?

[balmy condor]

no

[thorn crater]

iif not, might be a goood idea

[novel star]

yes sir my apologies 🫡

[balmy condor]

we had a !help command

[solar orbit]

what fight style do you choose?

[keen spruce]

!quack

[balmy condor]

but uh

[rotund oak]

trust the whispyr man

[solar orbit]

for m+

[rotund oak]

[keen spruce]

!duck

[balmy condor]

that help command was never used

[keen spruce]

This channel is shit

[balmy condor]

and slowly rottetd

and now we have more commands than fit into the help command

so we couldn't fix it even if we tried

cause discord message limit

[thorn crater]

i mean i would suggest pputting in each spec faq the commands for each one so peopple dont spam

[novel star]

!vibe

[balmy condor]

so just doomed

[novel star]

sigh

[thorn crater]

and you can just say check faq

[keen spruce]

Most u can guess in a few tries

[novel star]

gotta use offtopic

[shy pecan]

!shmeepsisstinky

[dusty zenith]

Is AP and MA viable for mythic + now

[shy pecan]

Damn that command use to work

[deft shore]

Same thing as Whispyr did - Patchwerk 5 min

[novel star]

o shit 473 vibe im popping off

[thorn crater]

bruh did u read the pin

[dusty zenith]

Yes

Said stuff was fixed

[thorn crater]

man said tey havent done dungeons yet. just sim the talents yyourself

[keen spruce]

The only shmeeos commands are bullying from the green names

Were*

[balmy condor]

and that is a very lovely idea in theory, but people don't read pins or faq or guides or basic english in general

so like

yes

I get it

on paper that's great

it doesn't work

[thorn crater]

sad

[keen spruce]

The commands are really just there to save other people from typing it out

Not for people to reference with questions

[balmy condor]

Yeah pretty much

[keen spruce]

Cuz if u know the command or that the command exists u probably already know what’s in it

[balmy condor]

Like I could maintain a bot command list in the faq

I’m capable of that

But then I have to maintain two lists

And make sure to always keep them up to date and shit

And maybe 2 people will use it

[thorn crater]

trinket and embellish and craft things change though s that is not true

[balmy condor]

It’s enough for the regulars to know commands to help short hand answers

[novel star]

do publicly available simmies have the bugfix in or is that a wait a day for nightly patch angle

[rugged flint]

Does poisoned pact ring interact with our talents? namely zoldyck and lethal dose?

[balmy condor]

And like eventually I delete the craft command cause we have like 5 sparks

[keen spruce]

Yeah but those changes just end up in the pins or the Wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

And no one cares

[balmy condor]

Items do not interact with class mechanics

Any items

Trinkets and shit as well

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/letterkenny-allegedly-gif-10608199

[balmy condor]

Yes, just sim latest

[rugged flint]

ok, its just that most talents specify which poisons, and those 2 just say poison

unlucky

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s class poison

[novel star]

cool ty i got hella numbers to look at when i get out of bed then 🙃

[balmy condor]

Items interacting with a spec talent or something is a big no no just from a balancing angle

[cursive sun]

I dont know if it says anywhere in the guide, but if i choose to craft a weapon, what embellishment is best for m+?

[thorn crater]

i assume the "bug" for DN vanish interaction is in latest as well? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Very easy way to make trinkets and shit just become untunable

[balmy condor]

Don’t think so

[thorn crater]

so we cant really sim te talents

to find optimal for gear

[keen spruce]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[thorn crater]

till we know if its intended imp garr should be better

because sim would assume the previous interaction

[dusty zenith]

I like improved garrote more anyways

[thorn crater]

welp at least imma go with that logic till i read sth different in pins. i just dont see how a build that makes vanish useless as a button iis gonna be a dps gain in any shape or form

[balmy condor]

The pinned simulated emulates it through an APL change

[open mountain]

This new bug where deathstalkers mark creates a new one if we ambush again, does envenom consume a stack from each deathstalkers mark on the target? Couldn’t we get 3 different marks at 3,2,1 stack in pull to get a never ending supply of darkest night? And deathstalkers marks? 🤔

[balmy condor]

So you can reference that

If you’re trying to sim yourself with it it’s left as an exercise to the reader

[thorn crater]

ok i get that buut you did type that we need to sim ourselves and things change depending on gear right? but we cannot really do that

[balmy condor]

Cause I ain’t gonna do all that for a bug

Yeah you can take the custom APL

Or sim yourself without the vanish bug and just with the echoing fix

Or just reference the sim and do whatever you want with that

Plenty of options

[novel star]

i mean if it’s -0.3% now and the imp poison build was previously +0.2% then the difference them is even smaller than before right or am i reading it wrong

[thorn crater]

im beiing annoying so ill stop asking questions 😛

[dusty zenith]

Where is the sim you reference in the pin?

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusty zenith]

Ty

[balmy condor]

The hyperlink towards the bottom

[balmy condor]

It’s not annoying I’m just explaining

I’m unsure if sims will support the mark thing given the nature of it being a re-added bug

[arctic socket]

er change

feels

[thorn crater]

simming urself without the vanish bugs defeats the purpose of simming for minmax talents though

[arctic socket]

so so so so so so good

[balmy condor]

You can sim yourself with the vanish bug though I just explained this

[thorn crater]

yes by copying the custom apl on the bottom on what you have put on the pins

[balmy condor]

^

Yes

[thorn crater]

this is the redundant thing is what i meant. and why i said im being annoying 😛

its fine all good prolly around 5am for you

[storm hedge]

No way, didn't expect them to fix that anymore. Let's go.

[balmy condor]

Midnight, I’m at work

[thorn crater]

oh west coast thats right

[balmy condor]

5am is the middle of the Atlantic atm

[thorn crater]

whats east coast?

3?

should be 3

[balmy condor]

Ye

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn crater]

btw not sure if im reading this right but the fatebound is a minor dps gain on ST?

[balmy condor]

That’s correct

[novel star]

goatbound

[balmy condor]

They were within margin of error before the ER fix in bis

[thorn crater]

ye was about to ask if that is post RC change

i assume not

er/rc w'e

[novel star]

essence reaver

[storm hedge]

I'm not playing FB. I mean I don't mind flipping some coins but I don't like the feeling of waiting for the capstone for half a fight.

[balmy condor]

Give rogue 2012 sword of the divine you cowards

[errant night]

is it really true that ER is fixed????

wtf

[fresh python]

how is treacherous a sim trap its like insanely easy to complete those things, or is that mostly like a mythic raider thing

[novel star]

you still get a lot of damage from the coins regardless, fb isn’t all or nothing on the capstone

[storm hedge]

I know but it feels bad. So I'd rather just proc some marks.

[balmy condor]

It’s insanely easy until you have to walk into a ground degen to get it

And then all of a sudden it’s not so easy anymore

[novel star]

when would u even use that

[fresh python]

i suppose, then the risk is just its that bad if that happens even once then?

[novel star]

kingsbane attack speed steroid

[shell kraken]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[errant night]

so what change do we have to do regarding st build? just lethality from 2/2 to 1/2 and ER from 1/2 to 2/2?

[chilly merlin]

are there any other rogue youtubers for outlaw/sub who make guide content like whispyr?

[balmy condor]

Well sims play it perfectly down to the second, and it’s not even the best trinket for that slot so kinda doomed to begin with ain’t it

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[errant night]

thanks

delves are still broken but at least they fixed this shit

[fathom jay]

I’ve only touched fatebound a few times and was curious if the capstone isn’t supposed to activate when ending a pull at 4 and carrying it into the next pull and going up/past 7

[balmy condor]

Delves are much easier after todays fixes aren’t they

[novel star]

why wouldn’t it

[balmy condor]

There’s weird bugs with the capstone

[errant night]

you solo them or in a group?

[balmy condor]

Solo

[thorn crater]

was there another change?

[novel star]

oh ya it doesn’t activate sometimes but it’s like a bug and i don’t really know when specifically it happens

[balmy condor]

They nerfed damage taken

Casters and stuff

[thorn crater]

AMEN

critters hitting you for 400k wasnt it

[balmy condor]

No one does smile

[errant night]

but one thing still remains. it's not revives anymore

but lives

[dreamy rover]

still hitting 1m per cast 😄

[novel star]

awesome

world of warcraft the war within

[balmy condor]

Idk I was doing okay in 8’s after the hotfix blue post earlier today

Did it break within the last like 12 hours

[thorn crater]

14 hours ago i was getting gangbanged in the pitfall one what the name is

cause u had to kill a suppressor thing next to double 78mill hp casters

that were CC immune

[dreamy rover]

yhea idk, around 8-6hrs ago i ran delves and was struggling a bit with these insane casts

[thorn crater]

dead in 3 seconds

[errant night]

maybe it's better to wait till the next weekly reset

[balmy condor]

Maybe fucked then idk

[errant night]

regarding devles..

[dreamy rover]

truly unreasonable a cast hitting for 1m when a tier 8 is recommended for people with 600 ilvl, and 600 ilvl healers and dps have 4-5m hp

[balmy condor]

I solo’d my bountiful delves Tuesday and Wednesday :3

No more delves for me!

[drifting cloud]

what about the rest of your keys you casual

[thorn crater]

i need one more

[novel star]

i can get shit from delves but i wont because they’re fucking boring already

[balmy condor]

No more keys :)

Don’t care :)

[thorn crater]

cant use keys if you dont have them

[fathom jay]

I was having a sad time in delves today coz the mobs kept evading my 1st attacks from stealth

[errant night]

i think the best solution to this whole delves thing would be just timegating them like m0 and m+

[storm hedge]

You just skip those 2 the named elites are overturned but don't have true vision. So stealth past them

[thorn crater]

u still need to kill that sucker next to them though

and u cant pull him aloen cause they dont patrol

cause hes suppressing the leviathan

[storm hedge]

Should be pullable without them

[thorn crater]

tried

for 45 minutes

[storm hedge]

Damn sorry then

[thorn crater]

with PK too

from the bottom side

[storm hedge]

Just reset and try again I guess...

They have random spawn

[thorn crater]

im good lol

and those spider things

in the mining tunnel

getting ambushed by 15 critters

each hitting for 400k

smart design lol

[drifting cloud]

youre benched on wednesdays

[random fossil]

Do we still vanish ambush without improved garrote or no

[main hemlock]

do you guys put embelishment on 610 pvp item?

[crisp reef]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[novel star]

i did ascension+wrist combo with pvp stuff

[main hemlock]

u can craft 2 pvp items?

[novel star]

yes

[main hemlock]

so u holding ur other 2 sparks

and just use the pvp items for embelishment

?

[novel star]

i am still holding yea i don’t think it’s as necessary anymore but

[main hemlock]

so u crafted dagger + wrists or ?

[novel star]

ya

cus i needed a dagger

and then the best option is ascension

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[main hemlock]

where do I get the quest for this

[latent galleon]

Sac still best trinket?

[wraith mauve]

win epic bg

[main hemlock]

win and I get for 2 crafts?

[sharp viper]

win a bg or rated arena and you get a quest for 9x

[main hemlock]

where do I get the last one then

dont I need 10

[worldly sail]

you can buy one for 150 conquest

but i just crafted dagger + gloves for 5+4 of those

some items also only take 3 of them i think

[sharp viper]

here is part of the guide for my guild:

find a crafter capable of crafting the desired item:
Heads(x), Chests, Legs, 1h Melee Weapons require 5x Forged Gladiator's Heraldry
Belt(x), Boots, Hands, Shoulders require 4x Forged Gladiator's Heraldry
Bracers(x), Shields, Rings(x), Necks(x) require 3x Forged Gladiator's Heraldry
2h Weapons require 10x Forged Gladiator's Heraldry (this means you need 175 conquest to buy 1 additional Forged Gladiator's Heraldry, which you very likely already have the Conquest for after getting a victory for the quest)
1h caster weapon require 7x Forged Gladiator's Heraldry

(x)= these items can be socketed using 5000 Honor + 3x Vicious Bloodstones (can be bought for 2500 honor or on the AH)

[worldly sail]

oh it was 175 conquest instead of 150

also wtf i only had 25 conquest after an epic bg win

[boreal lichen]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[main hemlock]

I won rated pvp

but nothing happend

[obtuse ruin]

Does the ER fix change anything for m+ talents like mentioned in pins? A build with low haste and high crit/mast

[novel star]

outlaw channel doesn’t check pins either

think my little adventure in there is over for now

i will spam moroes commands for sin channel but not the fuckin pirates…

[distant plinth]

you can get it from random BG aswell

i had to win 7 arena 2v2 games to get the quest so

[fluid pumice]

I just tried to sim my character with catalized pieces i don't have to see where i'm at with my 4 set, and i lost dps. are sims just broken rn lmao

or is our tier set somehow a dps decrease

[limber lion]

No

You did something wrong

[limber lion]

Link the sim

[fluid pumice]

i already closed it, i'll link it in the morning

fuckin late as hell

[stuck ridge]

if ur at 5cp and can refresh garrote, do u do it and finish at 6 cp, or finish 5 first?

[hardy venture]

omg omg omg. Did they fucking fix Reprimand???

[fluid pumice]

YES

[hardy venture]

HOLY SHIT!! Praise fucking beee

New game + boys lets goooo

[golden loom]

does fixing ER mean that an ER envenom counts for darkest night?

[fluid pumice]

YES

i noticed it during raid earlier

[golden loom]

nice

[fluid pumice]

worth taking ER capstone now maybe?

[outer sorrel]

Finaly, roation feels so much smoother now with ER fix

[tawdry sedge]

poggers

[pliant terrace]

too bad er is getting reworked soon

unless they scrapped that

[tawdry sedge]

but i still prefer double vanish for m+, am i that wrong here?

[fluid pumice]

Yes

[novel star]

not bad. er is a cringe garbage button

[fluid pumice]

don't let whispyr see that

[novel star]

the rework is based

[fluid pumice]

they're gonna get mad

[tawdry sedge]

that's exactly why i posted it, for whispyr to see it

[fluid pumice]

Angry overlord

[tawdry sedge]

actually i will go and sim it myself

see the difference

[fluid pumice]

i think it's like 8% overall or some shit

[novel star]

biased sims. whispyr doesn’t include optimal double vanish play because woke propaganda

don’t trust him

[fluid pumice]

it's good propaganda

[pliant terrace]

eh I don't mind it. It's not like it significantly impacts your gameplay in a meaningful way. It's just a button you press off cd.

[tawdry sedge]

hey listen if it is 8% only that means in packs double vanish performs better? or at least there is a chance

[tranquil ruin]

does rupture etc snapshot master assassin?

[novel star]

no

we have only one snapshot and it’s improved garrote

[tranquil ruin]

then how is it helping in fatebound st builds?

[torpid halo]

Hi, I'm new to Assassination rogue, its currently my main. I'm having an issue with these null moments in single target where I have zero energy and im just sitting there with my thumb up my bum and auto attacking -.-. Any tips for your boy?

[novel star]

there’s just nothing else to take really

[tranquil ruin]

fair

[novel star]

you don’t feel good about it

just need to spend a point

[pliant terrace]

That's normal. If you're always running dry on energy try not to machine gun envenoms. The goal is to maintain the buff, not dump them into the target like they're eviscerates.

[novel star]

yeh

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[tawdry sedge]

Good news boys, there is no difference in DPS between picking ER and double vanish

just don't be dogs

xdd

[novel star]

uh

[tawdry sedge]

but muh guide!

yeah i know

[balmy condor]

Bro’s yappin on god

[tawdry sedge]

here we go

[novel star]

i mean

i just doubt it actually is simming equal but maybe

[balmy condor]

There’s no here we go

[tawdry sedge]

Dunno, what did i miss simming them both in DS?

No doubt in ST you you deal less

[balmy condor]

You missed that dungeonslice is 6 minutes not 45

[tawdry sedge]

Which dungeon lasts 45 though

[novel star]

i just wanna know which race has the bis envenom animation

[tawdry sedge]

Let's just say it is not a terrible pick instead of arguing

[novel star]

that is a way more important question

[tawdry sedge]

Nelf, easy

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

u gotta trade damage talents for subterfuge tho

isn’t that pretty bad

[balmy condor]

Dudes best argument is “45 minutes is too long just please agree with me”

I’m not even telling you to not run it

I don’t care what you run

[tawdry sedge]

I don't care what you write on wowhead either dude but i am not pointing that out

if you wanna take the piss i dont mind

[novel star]

didn’t know double vanish had shooters holy

getting hot in here

[balmy condor]

You don’t care what I write but you’re typing for me to read?

That’s a lot of effort man

[tawdry sedge]

because i know green hair dudes are easy to be annoyed 🙂

[novel star]

??? LOLLLL

he’s cooking u sadly

[tawdry sedge]

inb4 getting banned

[balmy condor]

I’m not annoyed though

You asked what you missed and I told you

[tawdry sedge]

Then no need to be rude

[balmy vapor]

In aoe opener to we switch back to our marked target after applying dots to the other one? Sorry Im new and cant find this info

[balmy condor]

I’m just trying to help you out

[pliant terrace]

you should, yes

[balmy vapor]

Ok ty

[balmy condor]

Idk why you’re telling me to not be rude

[tawdry sedge]

i will sim it in ST aswell then, is 6 minutes enough to see the difference there?

[balmy condor]

Aren’t you the one showing up with the express purpose to be rude to me?

[novel star]

saying this and then not getting banned is kinda embarrassing

very selfstroke vibes

[cobalt sphinx]

vanish and stealth bad

fatebound good

[tawdry sedge]

It is a rule on the interwebs if you predict the future you alter its course

[novel star]

yeh you want to mash envenoms in aoe and that’ll only consume marks if ur hitting the target

[balmy condor]

“The interwebs”

[tawdry sedge]

no it was ollii who said you shouldn't see it and i said what i said as a joke

[novel star]

wha

[balmy condor]

Oh of course you’re just joking yeah naturally got it my bad

[random fossil]

Damn that's crazy

[novel star]

you said this while whispyr was not even active in chat

rent free buddy :(

[wraith rover]

i had a question about the wowhead opener guide if anyone is available

[balmy condor]

yep whats up

[wraith rover]

on this image

it doesnt have FoK to consume clear the witnesses

[balmy condor]

correct

that's the opener for vicious venoms

[wraith rover]

do you not do that in opener?

[tawdry sedge]

yeah w/e it wasn't oli, it was this dude xd

[balmy condor]

vicious venoms doesn't consume clear the witnesses

[novel star]

the text immediately above the image should say “with vicious venoms”

[wraith rover]

ever?

[balmy condor]

ever

[wraith rover]

damn so whenever its pure ST we just never FoK

[balmy condor]

ye

vicious venoms makes mutilate a lot stronger

so the bonus damage makes mutilate more energy efficient compared to consuming clear the witnesses

[random fossil]

Mr whispyr with these darkest night fixes do we no longer use vanish without imp garrote?

[balmy condor]

yes but no

so vanish->ambush didn't work during beta, that then got fixed

and it's been like that for a while

but for some reason when they fixed ER today, they broke vanish->ambush again

which is kind of weird for us

but really hurts sub

so like while the bug is active, vanish->ambush doesn't work

but it's been broken and fixed before

so probably fixed again?

hopefully at least

[random fossil]

I see

[crimson dirge]

Morning guys, could someone recommend me a guide for assa spec?

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[random fossil]

Guess I'll keep doing it just so I can turn brain off

[main hemlock]

how can I swap to play for alliance

in battle grounds

[balmy condor]

yeh that's totally fine

[main hemlock]

horde is useless af

[balmy condor]

they usually add an npc to queue for the opposite

might want to ask #pvp they'd probably know

[main hemlock]

ah alright ty

[glacial scroll]

did they hotfix deathstalker and anima? i feel like its working now

[balmy condor]

pins

[glacial scroll]

just noticed it mid raid and am excited

[balmy condor]

yeah it feels really nice

[novel star]

kinda hype to log in and try it soon

[grand trail]

do we take ER now for m+ too?

[novel star]

we already did

[grand trail]

not me:)

[novel star]

i mean sure

you could choose to not take it

[fluid pumice]

We are indeed so back, ER working makes the spec feel twice as good imo

[novel star]

but

[tawdry sedge]

if you dont they will laugh at you

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

at least the name is accurate I guess

[novel star]

unreal stunlock LOL

[balmy condor]

it's pretty good but damage wise if you didn't like it before you probably won't like it after either

it's not a must pick or anything

cold blood on fatebound for example still way more of a necessary talent

[grand trail]

im just not CB enjoyer as DS assa

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[tawdry sedge]

was that copliment for me ? :3

[balmy condor]

I think ER plays pretty smooth though

especially when you get those dogshit ass 2 cp foks

[grand trail]

they are fixing stuff pretty slow but atleast they are fixing

this ER thing took them like half year

[balmy condor]

just in time for them to rework it

[grand trail]

or when was DS release on beta

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

nightborne is the same shit right

was thinking about going back to them

[balmy condor]

nightborne kinda goated

[novel star]

my first character on eu was pandaren then i made a nightborne on NA

[balmy condor]

but they're like

[novel star]

changed to panda

[balmy condor]

too tall or something

[novel star]

and now changing back to nightborne potentially

[balmy condor]

or maybe too skinny?

[novel star]

they’re so pretty man

[balmy condor]

idk

they felt very lanky to me

[novel star]

same model as nelf i thought

skinny but not as skinny as belf/velf

height real shit tho lol

[balmy condor]

yeah idk probably same skeleton or something

but they felt different

[novel star]

i really like the glowy hands

fingerless gloves + glowy fingertips

is insanely cool looking

love that shit

[balmy condor]

true

[tawdry sedge]

someone used that tmog thing on my me and turned my NELF into nightborne, it was the same but i still noticed somehow because i slightly started hating my character which is unnatural

[novel star]

[tawdry sedge]

just play nelf dude, why would you want to go horde

[novel star]

always been horde

just what i’m used to

[wooden flare]

just play mechagnome, they're cute

[tawdry sedge]

then go orc or undead

[novel star]

it doesn’t “matter” anymore for current content but every once in a while you go back to an old hub city. i’ve run around dazaralor/org thousands of times and boralus/sw like three

[fresh python]

im swapping dracthyr insta when i can

[balmy condor]

mechagnome lmao

[balmy condor]

I'm tempted to just for the glide

[wooden flare]

he has clamps for hands, what's not to love?

[indigo mulch]

I'm going gekko rogue aswell

[novel star]

i don’t like their animations

[fresh python]

because dracthyr rogue

[fresh python]

itll be so nice

[vestal wren]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/pool-party-swimming-water-backyard-dixon-gif-17829461

[novel star]

undead is acceptable because the model is so cool but i only play females and i don’t like the envenom frontflip

[tawdry sedge]

female undeads should be nice as far as i remember. If not, then nightborne

[novel star]

panda animations are just so clean

[indigo mulch]

Gekko is the way

[vestal wren]

you have no evidence of me typing !pool

[tawdry sedge]

and i am only speaking about females, only rolled a male back in 00s when i was 13

[novel star]

i would be switching for a cool model and just picking the lesser evil for anims

[novel star]

like dracthyr?

[indigo mulch]

Yes sir.

[novel star]

hmm

[balmy condor]

I guess you're right

[novel star]

they’re pretty based but

[steel jay]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

i don’t wanna look like a human and i like having cool armor

so

cant work for me

even tho i want double jump :/

[topaz pebble]

Assaination doing ok in the raid or? we thinkin outlaw

[fresh python]

also if ur not dracthyr, worgen is incredibly based because im human in stealth and worgen in combat

[balmy condor]

single target is a little low but it's doing okay yeah

[novel star]

worgen are alright but ally

[fresh python]

yeah so win win

[novel star]

vulpera would be bis if their animations weren’t so lame

[fresh python]

xd

[novel star]

i cant look at vulp walk cycle and not be annoyed

[tawdry sedge]

oli wants to see the world burning

[novel star]

ye

hot wow takes

[tawdry sedge]

reminder for everyone, when making a group state that vulperas are not allowed

[fresh python]

^

[indigo mulch]

Å

[balmy condor]

dude I was vulpera in 10.0, having a second hearth right in front of raid?

[novel star]

that is really nice yeah

[balmy condor]

that shit was so free

[indigo mulch]

Å

[balmy condor]

front flips?

insane

[tawdry sedge]

but now you took the based pill and became an orc

[novel star]

i like the racial and i like the flips and i like the cute fox

but walk and jump and attack animations

[earnest remnant]

ban him

[novel star]

just weren’t clicking

[tawdry sedge]

please someone stop oli!

[novel star]

what did i say wrong

wtf

[fresh python]

no way vulpera propaganda is allowed

[tawdry sedge]

i am afraid he will step way over the line here

[novel star]

:(

[balmy condor]

I swapped void elf for the rest of dragonflight but can't queue heroics cross faction yet so I had to swap to horde for my friend

[novel star]

velf seem sick

[fresh python]

its literally impossible for blizzard to make thsi happen

[tawdry sedge]

Void elf passives must be dog for rogues though right?

[novel star]

belf model but better colours and emo hair

[balmy condor]

she's a collector so she's stuck on horde or else she loses a bunch of unobtainables

[tawdry sedge]

Haven't even unlocked them yet xd

[novel star]

u have to level an ally toon to 40 for their allied races right

horde levels don’t count

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/cross-faction-instances-queue-planned-for-future-war-within-update-345998

[indigo mulch]

Whispyr has the void hair tho!

Or used to.

[balmy condor]

need to go back to purple

[tawdry sedge]

kekW, whole prepatch i couldn't play with my buddies because that was nota thing

fuck em now

[narrow basalt]

I dont think it has too much impact what passive you have tbh.

Maybe whispyr the wise can answer.

[indigo mulch]

I have like pitch black hair. It's just rough trying to color it 😦

[rain mortar]

i cannot actualkly trade my carved crests ive outgrown for runes crests can i?

[novel star]

racials are really whatever for dps afaik

[balmy condor]

he doesn't like me much for some reason idk if he wants my opinion, I'll let him ask if he wants

[novel star]

no you can only downgrade crests

[balmy condor]

yeah.... I used to be really blond by my hair has gotten darker over the years

[narrow basalt]

Dang. How can you dislike this fella..

[balmy condor]

gotta be careful with the bleach

or else your roots just fry

[royal lantern]

my big brother was blond and now with 34 is deep brown and he never dyed them or smth like that

sometimes its just happens

[balmy condor]

yeah

my hair was like WHITE

[earnest remnant]

i used to be blonde ish

[balmy condor]

when I was in 3rd/4th grade

[earnest remnant]

or like a very very light brown

[balmy condor]

and then now it's dark brown

[earnest remnant]

is probs more accurate

[steel jay]

can u not transmute the shittier ones now?

[earnest remnant]

now its completely dark

[royal lantern]

and i was pure red, and in my 20s it slowly turned into red/brown

[steel jay]

i woke up to this mail https://i.imgur.com/RpvzujA.png

[novel star]

i don’t think so maybe i’m wrong

at least not to runed

[steel jay]

yea

[balmy condor]

yeah you can upgrade

but not to runed

[novel star]

hmmge

[balmy condor]

it's just from weathered to carved

[novel star]

i should do that

[steel jay]

runed probably in a couple weeks then

[novel star]

i have like 50 weathered or sum

[balmy condor]

well it's 90 weathered

for 15 carved

[novel star]

i have depression too

[steel jay]

ooof

[earnest remnant]

oh wise whispyr of the pond, do i stream my 3 hours delve/m0 runs today or do i just vibe with music

[balmy condor]

3 hours delve

[charred salmon]

I am 100% going drak when I can on my rogue

[balmy condor]

idk

[strange python]

damn 3 hours is rough we did ourt 4x tier 8s in about 1hr

[balmy condor]

I would vibe with music personally

to try and keep the demons inside

that much delve would make me stupid

[earnest remnant]

well its 3 delves

then m0 trinket tour

[novel star]

has been too long since i listened to music while gaming i’ve just been raw dogging wow + yt/streams this xpac

[novel star]

surely they exist

[strange python]

Stream while vibing with music

[earnest remnant]

i have every trinket i need from m0

[novel star]

also a based option

[earnest remnant]

its not for me

only thing i need is a ring from dawnbreaker

[novel star]

no mic no cam no effort streams >>

[sturdy stirrup]

music stream without game screen

[balmy condor]

what we listening to stealthi

[earnest remnant]

same music that i always listen to

[balmy condor]

idk what you listen to

[earnest remnant]

punk rock metal

smth along those lines

[balmy condor]

yikes

you need to talk about it?

[earnest remnant]

no

[tropic tundra]

can anyone explain me where does this buff come from?

[opaque sigil]

Quick q: does sim take into account ER fix?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tropic tundra]

is it the trinket

[novel star]

wtf hater

[opaque sigil]

Thanks whispyr aka quickest reply in the assa lands

[tropic tundra]

as always

[narrow basalt]

I would like your opinion tho if you dont mind 😂 I personally dont think it matters that much so I play whatever I think is cool.

[earnest remnant]

anything that remotely resembles smth like this

is what i listen to

[balmy condor]

I think minmax wise you would go like orc for racial or dwarf/nelf for m+ cheese

but it's not too big of a deal either way

[narrow basalt]

I see. So how many % do I lose going velf? Like 1-2%

[balmy condor]

probably closer to 1%

[fallow estuary]

I upgraded the first hc dagger instantly and then ofcourse kyveza drops 2x Haste Mastery ones...

[balmy condor]

classic

[fallow estuary]

This is what you get for upgrading early

[narrow basalt]

Just to be clear, siphoning stilletto is still shit?

[balmy condor]

yep

[shadow patio]

Our best stat weights are still crit mastery?

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[robust axle]

I guess there is no "rule of thumb" on what talents we pick on singletarget now

[balmy condor]

can stick with what you have atm

but with the vanish bug you'd probably want to go back to improved garrote

so like a more regular build from beta, more similar to fatebound

vicious is still fine, it's just kinda teetering if it's worth it or not

[robust axle]

Yea just trying to figure out where to put the last point from Vicious Venoms

And if ER/RC is the way

[balmy condor]

resounding clarity yes

you can do 1 vicious 1 imp gar

[tired panther]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

or 0 vicious 1 imp gar 1 sanguine blades

all of them fine

[robust axle]

SB wants us to play <50% energy again right?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[robust axle]

But you still slam envenoms in KB windows right, or do you still want to stay above <50% energy there?

[craggy moss]

hey everyone, Nooby rogue here.

I was wondering if anyone knew how what to type in for the macros to do the following:

• Show the timer of a cooldown -

I dont wanna use weakaura's as I get incredibly confused.
thank you in advance.

[main hemlock]

this and darkmoon sigil ascension is bis for raid right?

[balmy vapor]

Does indiscriminate carnage prioritize targets that do not have garotte/rupture? And do we need to switch target in our AOE opener?

[balmy condor]

you always slam during shiv

[balmy condor]

#showtooltip XYZ where XYZ is the name of your skill you want to put in the tooltip

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

yep

[novel star]

holy shit the 4k

almost an ace

[craggy moss]

TY ❤️

[robust axle]

Thanks mate. The RC change was live already right? And we do that both in m+ and raid builds right

[craggy moss]

like this ?

[balmy condor]

m+ you can play a ton of things but raid yeah

[balmy condor]

yep

[golden loom]

so in this situation I drop 1 point in lethaility for RC right?

[novel star]

yea

[balmy condor]

yep

[robust axle]

Do you have a gut feeling, m+ wise, wether Fatebound or DS will turn out better after the fixes?

[balmy condor]

I mean deathstalker was probably better and now it's even better

so I'm gonna say deathstalker probably :P

[novel star]

differences are still the same no?

ds more prio fb more aoe

just more more prio

[balmy condor]

yeah

but "better" is a bit more complicated than that

[novel star]

yeh

[open mountain]

For m+ with the fixes to ER, do you think the new supercharge PTR changes will be better or worse?

[balmy condor]

better probably

[novel star]

dsm doesnt spatter right

but coins do

or do both

[balmy condor]

both

[novel star]

ah

kk ty

[balmy condor]

everything deathstalker spatters

[open mountain]

Is that with the idea that supercharge will one day work with deathstalker stuff? Or better as it is now?

[balmy condor]

as it is now

[open mountain]

Cool

[balmy condor]

it will work with deathstalker stuff

they said as much

[opaque sigil]

At this stage for me its mostly: do I want to turn off my brain - go FB for couple of runs, otherwise DS always feels like more damage on details overall.

With FB assa is like an autopilot spec, really easygoing and relaxing

[open mountain]

Kk doesn’t on ptr yet, fingers crossed they fix it like they did ER

[balmy condor]

ptr is a buggy nightmare atm

[novel star]

yea

[open mountain]

Yeah

[novel star]

the ttk bugs u showed in first ptr vid

[balmy condor]

ironfur stacks have never bugged

ever

don't look

[novel star]

SURELY

holy fuck surely

[balmy condor]

don't look

[novel star]

hahahsadhgjk

[balmy condor]

if you don't look you won't see

[novel star]

its so over man

[icy osprey]

sorry if this was answered already but, lethality still sims higher than RC, or is this bcs sims have it not working yet?

[golden loom]

!macro

[balmy condor]

rolling stacking buffs/debuffs like ironfur and new twist the knife are some of the most janky spaghetti pasta noodles in the entire game it's gonna be so miserable man I'm in despair

[balmy condor]

stop simming nightly like a scrub

[novel star]

theyre gonna fix it man

[craggy moss]

did they ban the timer that's supposed to show up?

[novel star]

assassination rogue will get so much love from blizzard they even fix everything for bear

[royal lantern]

Dea

[novel star]

Dea...

[balmy condor]

you turned it off in the settings

[icy osprey]

had it on weekly actually, i assume i have to put it on latest then ye?

[balmy condor]

well, I had a 50/50 I guess, but yeah you have to sim latest (probably should never sim anything else anyway)

[novel star]

sim on weekly to compare to other people who also simmed on weekly

[balmy condor]

simming sundays version of raidbots on a saturday morning is pretty cursed

[open mountain]

Is the darkest night applying 3 stacks of mark rather than spending a stack a bug or a fix? Working how the tooltip describes it albeit annoying. Are we still losing darkest night if used on a one stack mark?

Didn’t get much time to test this morning before work

[balmy condor]

bug

[kindred breach]

Omfg its happening they did fix ER

[austere flame]

Is fate bound simming higher for anyone else why isn't anyone playing it

[balmy condor]

idk

they don't want to I guess

[novel star]

people arent playing it because they look at logs and see 95%+ of other people arent playing it so they join the pack

[balmy condor]

it's equal on bis as well

fatebound is totally fine

but idk

maybe too rng

or they don't like the coin

[golden loom]

deathstalker sounds cooler than fatebound

[charred salmon]

Why isnt raidbots wanting me to upgrade my wep enchants, currently using rank 2 and it says a rank 3 is a downgrade xD pluss it wants me to use everburning lantern which dosnt work but gives like 2500 agi

[austere flame]

It sims 15k more for me idk if it's a bait

[rain mortar]

the ER fix came at such a huge time, i was in a DARK place. The thought of trying outlaw was crossing my mind. But ER being fixed is so nice for QOL those dark evil thoughts have left my brain... for now

[kindred breach]

When u 6 flip on one side and it reset with the other

[balmy condor]

did you turn on the replace?

[kindred breach]

😃 🔫

[balmy condor]

no, it's accurate

[brisk lodge]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

saki

[brisk lodge]

i just wanna say ty for ur hard work, you are crazy

[balmy condor]

I AM crazy thank you for noticing

they give me meds but I don't take them because it takes my friends away

[kindred breach]

i'm crying xD

[charred salmon]

@golden loom wrong chat to use go to #transmog

[narrow basalt]

Wow has been fun ever since they added gambling hero talent

[golden loom]

oh ty!

[normal mist]

Yeah

Bring them to me

[orchid vessel]

assa need a big bufff 😦 very low dps compared to others meles

[balmy condor]

funny how the hype for assa has turned into this huh

[normal mist]

That's skill issue

I'm number 1 in my raid group

[charred salmon]

Same actually

[balmy condor]

maybe that's the actual skill issue

[charred salmon]

Thoooo we arent parsing high

[worldly sentinel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

By them not me

[charred salmon]

But i am sticking to sin even tough its a mid pack simming spec

[balmy condor]

maybe the skill issue was the friends we made along the way

[normal mist]

Ahahah

[echo condor]

I'm #1 dps while doing world quests solo

[misty hare]

hello guys. Quick question, how important is SnD in assassination?

[orchid vessel]

nº1 was outlaw and fury and they now are nerfed 😦 they are nerfing my favourites meles

[misty hare]

worth maintaining it? or better cast more envenoms?

[balmy condor]

you cast it once at the start

and it maintains itself

[charred salmon]

U get SnD time with envenoms

[balmy condor]

but if it drops it's very important to recast

[normal mist]

If they are your favorite, play them

Rerolling for numbers is huh

[charred salmon]

FOMO players

[balmy condor]

outlaw nerf is basically nothing tbh

[orchid vessel]

playing classes for perfect rotations for too low dps is sad 😦

[balmy vapor]

Whispyr from what I interpreted from the garotte/rupture tooltip then swapping should be done at 6+ targets since else we lose one rupture + garottes?

but swapping again is obviously not worth it at high counts

[broken lantern]

is there a huge difference between worgen or voidelf racials/dps?

[charred salmon]

Didnt the outlaw discord say its a 2% buff when u get the tier sett?

xD

[normal mist]

Delete details

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[normal mist]

No

[balmy condor]

worgen

[broken lantern]

[normal mist]

No racial matters

[balmy condor]

gigachad dog race

[orchid vessel]

but they nerf to much the base damage

[broken lantern]

[normal mist]

Damn

[charred salmon]

@orchid vessel its a 2% buff??? i mean

[normal mist]

It's not like outlaw was smoking everything else right

Right???

[balmy condor]

the coreway just gave me a loadscreen

feels atrocious man

[orchid vessel]

how much time you need for to have 4 pieces set? 😫

[balmy condor]

a billion years

idk probably like 2 weeks

[modest gale]

improved garrote or improved poisons for full st?

[balmy condor]

either is good

with the bug atm probably imp gar slightly better

[modest gale]

if i take improved poisons no need to vanish garrote then r?

in cd window

[balmy condor]

correct

[modest gale]

thanks master

[balmy condor]

np.... student?

[normal mist]

Which one?

[indigo mulch]

The bug?

[modest gale]

youngling*

[balmy condor]

they readded the bug from beta

or I guess it's not exactly the same

but you can't consume mark stacks while darkest night is up

so vanish->ambush is dead

[normal mist]

Fuck

Then we back to VV imp garr build

[balmy condor]

also means that sub just... suffers?

very strange change

[charred salmon]

I liked how it worked with ambush and double mark

But oh well

[indigo mulch]

Probably an oversight since the bug fix was undocumented

[royal lantern]

yes, its a dog

[thorn crater]

Is this good or bad?

[royal lantern]

and my character is one

[thorn crater]

If I’m reading it correctly you have 29 seconds of secondaries

[royal lantern]

oh ok?

[orchid vessel]

im reading now this: Assuming you have the tier set, the nerfs amount to about a 2% nerf.
Without tier, this is about a 5% nerf
so gg bye outlaw xD

[modest gale]

do i need shrouded suffocation if i go improved garrote

[charred salmon]

Damn a 5% nerf is enough to throw a spec into the gutter

[royal lantern]

wait, like, on life rn, or is it a ptr bug

me confused

[indigo mulch]

Well atleast nothing changed for us coin flip enjoyers

[charred salmon]

@royal lantern live

[spring socket]

When was we fixed

[errant night]

gosh life is so much easier without this ER bug

[spring socket]

Er

[royal lantern]

welp, back to improved garrote then i gues

[indigo mulch]

Join the flip side

[thorn crater]

trying to figure out why this is only C tier. since all secondaries are good for us

[royal lantern]

flip out of my sight

[indigo mulch]

[royal lantern]

what talent do we drop to get Imp garrote again, improved poisons?

[balmy condor]

2:30 cd mate

[balmy condor]

yeah or 1/2 vicious

[royal lantern]

i jusst edited all my builds into 1point out of lethality into resounding, and 1 point out of improved poisons into improved garrote

but thanks for the answer

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[royal lantern]

improved poison is a bait talent anyway

[spring socket]

What’s been changed I can’t see

[royal lantern]

like ??????? just apply the poisons??????

[balmy condor]

they fixed er

[spring socket]

Ah so we drop 1 point in lethality again for the clarity?

[balmy condor]

yes

[bronze flicker]

!ui

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spring socket]

I still on imp gar for st

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[sly summit]

is it int to craft 2x daggers wensday for alt assa for m+?

[balmy condor]

what

[royal lantern]

why would you want 2 daggers

only mainhand matters

offhand is legit a statstick

[sly summit]

okay

[balmy condor]

I mean that's a good question but the better question

is why are we crafting for "alt assa" whatever that means

and why FOR m+

m+ gives farmable daggers

[swift dagger]

I cant believe Blizzard would fix ER when theyre removing it soon-ish. Impressive.

[balmy condor]

fixing gameplay impacting bugs

[spring socket]

i thought they just changing the icon

[balmy condor]

they're reworking it

[swift dagger]

They couldve just taken the lazy way out

[spring socket]

so we survived the round of class tuning

[swift dagger]

to be honest

im so happy man

DS gonna feel good now

[balmy condor]

survived is a weird word to use, bit unlucky that we didn't see anything

[swift dagger]

we're kinda weak in raid its not surprising

[normal mist]

Wait what? Deathstalker/ er interactions fixed???

I'm mobile don't complain

[errant night]

yep